My Sig P238 came with an extended 7 round magazine in the box. I did purchase an additional Sig extended 7 round magazine for about $50. Very happy with the Sig.
I've had the SIG P238 HD for several years, the HD model is slightly heavier because of it's all Stainless construction. SIG, Springfield and Kimber are all copied from the long discontinued Colt Mustang with mainly cosmetic differences. All three makes are softer shooting micro's than similar sized polymer framed direct blowback operated pistols. Their delayed blowback actions don't require the stronger springs taking less grip strength to operate the slide. The felt recoil is noticeably softer and they are surprisingly accurate for their size.
Now that’s how you do a comparison. That’s how you do a video of any kind. Very well prepared and informative. No slow down with on the spot “umhs and ahhs”. I rarely watch videos over even10 minutes as they seem to have someone stumbling over 3 or 5 minutes of info. WELL DONE!
Michael Carnes I got mine new at $650....I have many guns now but this one is still the very best! I didn’t get as good a deal as you did...but the gun is worth every cent(-:
My sig 238 started dropping the magazine while firing at about 1000 rounds. Apparently the mag release spring has been wearing out on these models. I truly loved the gun but this new "feature " scared the hell out of me as this is my every day carry. I sent it back to sig and this is a known problem with the 238 and 938. They replaced the mag release spring and the main spring. Just giving everyone that owns the 238 the heads up
Kevin Medeiros We’ve had the same issue on my wife’s 938. We just received it back from Sig with a new Spring and mags. We need to get it out and see if in fact it has fixed the issue. It’s really a shame as otherwise it’s a great minuscule option for deep concealed carry. I will jump and grab a 9mm 911 as soon as it comes out as it will be great for “shorts” weather. I do hope it doesn’t have the same magazine popping issue as the sig though. If I don’t see the 9mm come soon I may jump at the XDe 45. It’s hideous but the manual of arms is much closer to my preferred carry, the CZ P-01.
Purchased 911 and had many problems feeding any ammo. Tricker pin kept falling out and jammed on every other round. Sent back too factory three times and finally asked for a refund. Springfield did return the purchase price of the 911. I purchased SIG 238 and have run a thousand rounds without a failure. Great comparison on both guns!
Thanks a lot for the tip about the 911 7-shot mag fitting perfectly in the P238. I just bought me one off Midway for a little more than $18 off Midway. I own a P238.
I won the Springfield 911 in there EDC $150K "every day carry" contest. 3 months after I purchased the P238. Both weapons are very close as the video shows. I carried both for 3 months and found the 911 to be just a little better of a fit for me and gave the P238 to #1 son. I've measured the trigger weight at 3.4lbs on the 911 and also found the pull on the slide less then on the P238. I preferred the G10 grips on the 911 over the P238's wooden but its a easy and cheap task to put them on the P238, I'm currently trying the Viridian grip laser that was part of the EDC package, I do have to say I am EVERY displeased with Viridian as a company for there product, I can only say it arrived not working, not the prize they said its was and now 4 weeks later 3 ppl and no answers. But the engineer son had it working in a hour. I did prefer the sites on the 911 over the P238 as well. The one thing I did not prefer on the 911 over the P238 is the safety, the ambidextrous safety on such a small weapon IMPO doesn't work. When Time permits, I plan on seeing if the P238 right hand safety lever will fit the 911, if not I will be machining the ambi lever down to keep it from contacting the web of my right hand when lowering it. Great video thank you.
@@stewmeat30 Actually it does so you can switch the safety off before you draw with your trigger finger before you draw it out of the holster much easier than with the safety nearest your waist line.
The p238 doesn't have a loaded chamber indicator but if you look on the right side of the breech you can always easily see the brass of your cartridge in the open visible gap between the breech and the bolt face. You can see this gap from 6:05 on just aft of the breech. I have the p238 and I love it. It's extremely easy to shoot well as it points naturally. I can hold about a 2-3 inche group at 15 yards bench resting it. With the 4 fives drills (5 shots/ 5 yards/ in 5" circle in 5 seconds) I easily keep everything within the circle. It has far less recoil than a Beretta Cheetah, also a .380 but easily 20% bigger and heavier. I wonder if with 2 oz. lighter than the p238 the 911 will be as comfortable to shoot? It's obviously a clone of the p238 which is a clone of the Colt Mustang II. I love the looks of all 3 but I actually think the new 911 looks best.
Excellent comparison. While I know this is older, comparing both to the Kimber Micro380 and Colt Mustang would've have been ideal, but obviously there are limits on time and availability. I have a Sig P238 SAS with stainless slide, much better night sights, and some other features on the Springfield 911. I also have a Kimber Micro380 CDP with the 911 features and a carry "melt" treatment (like the SAS) stainless slide and barrel. In 2015, I paid less than $700 for the Sig new, and the Kimber was under $800. I also found the mags between the Micro380 and P238 were interchangeable, except one Kimber extended mag required much more force due to the base interfering with the P238 magwell (easily fixable).
I've owned the Tuxedo edition P238 for about 4 years now. It lives up to its reputation: it is reliable, accurate, and comfortable to shoot. From a maintenance point of view I've had to change recoils springs about every 600 rounds or so, and I've had to replace the magazine catch spring because the magazine started ejecting while I was shooting it. This is routine for sure. Nice review.
I put a Wolff extra power spring in mine and it really made a difference for 11 bucks. I'd highly recommend it. It made an already comfortable shooting firearm even more so in my opinion. But I've always loved the P238, it's hard to beat for it's size. I got mine for practically nothing so I'd never complain about it. It's always been reliable and accurate for what I would ever need it at.
So just to lend some substance here, the Sig P238 comes in many variations and the case and added items change depending upon that as well. Some come with extended mags and some do not. As far as the Springfield 911 goes, the changes are mostly options that some like over the Sig that are purchasable for the 238. Obviously there is a slight difference in things like the trigger safety and slightly more changes option of the outside extractor and perhaps other changes within the frame that this video did not cover. That being said, the biggest advantage to buying the Springfield 911 in usable functionality that isn't just based on preferences....is the lifetime warranty offered by SA. Sig's warranty is NOT bad... but in dealing with SA on other handguns, their service is both easy to access and among the very best when it comes to fixing or outright replacing one if their firearms. If I were not extremely happy with my Sig P238 HD, I'd consider the SA 911... and yes, they fire much the same, though I think the weight balance and guide rod spring make the Sig P238 just that much easier to keep on target for awesome grouping and keyhole shots...especially if the one carrying the gun has an average girl/lady arm and hand strength. Otherwise, it's hard to go wrong with either.
For me, the Sig ends all comparisons. I've had one for several years and it's taken the fun out of swapping and trading. Once you have one, you never want to let it get away.
Stay away from Dan Wesson, then. No MIM or cast parts, largely hand fitted, all at a price not too much above Sig and Kimber but with much higher quality. DW is like a gateway drug.
Never fired 911, But Just got my p238 3 days ago (238-380-WTP) , though I want the 238-380-TUX soooo bad , but it's haaaaard to find. Even if I do eventually find the TUX will be keeping both most likey. I was shooting a Ruger LCP 380 before this, and geez that thing bites so hard on the base knuckle of the thumb, something fierce, makes it hard to keep a tight grip, easy to flinch from, and mis-ejected like nearly every single mag. The sig I could fire one handed and hit 4in spacing at 7yards. it shoots like a dream compared to that ruger. Im new, shot maybe 700 rounds in my whole life? The Sig was super easy and comfy and reliable. I don't have to worry about having ejection or misfire issues like I did on ruger. This sig likely will never be replaced, other than by another sig I like better. I'm just that happy with it.
Very good and thorough review. I am soon purchasing my first firearm and the 911 caught my attention while browsing today. I am looking for a small and light weight CCW for everyday use and the 911 seems to be the winner due to the compact size and the 1911 styling which I am a fan of. The extended 7 round magazine makes it feel as though it was designed to fit snugly inside my palm and I feel will make an excellent CCW. Great review, very detail oriented and showed the positives of each firearm
Went to the gun store looking for a 911 left with a P238. In person the P238 feels like a more premium product than the 911. Everything on it is just smoother and better machined. The only regret I have about it is that I like the slimness of the 911 for pocket carry.
Hope we get some high capacity versions sometime soon. They're both great guns, even without higher capacity magazines. Seems like all the gun companies are catching on with the whole high capacity micro thing. Would love to see some good SA models too. I don't think the CSX it anywhere near as bad as people make it out to be, but it doesn't compare to the quality of these. If either company made one of these with 10rds (or 11), I think it would be an extremely popular options. I heard the new Bodyguard 2.0 has an excellent trigger too. I think it's a little light though for not having a manual safety. (Although I'm not one for manual safeties... but I do prefer them on handguns with very light, short triggers).
Good comparison video. The biggest improvement I see in the 911 design is the external extractor. P238’s are notorious for throwing brass in your face. The P938 has an external extractor and ejects more predictably. The 911 safety appears to be a little longer and more tactile. Trigger function on the 911 looks better, as you demonstrated. It would be nice if you used a digital trigger pull gauge if you are going to do a side by side comparison. As many know, these are both copies of the Colt Mustang. If Colt would have offered better sights and not been so ridiculously overpriced, they would have sold a ton of them. I own a P238, P938, original Mustang Govt Pocketlite, and Mustang XSP. The best shooter of the group is the P238, (in spite of poor ejection) followed by the Mustang XSP that I had fitted with Novak night sights. The worst overall is the original Govt Pocketlite. Full of cheap 1990’s MIM parts and acts like it. (But still worth a pretty penny)
Since my original reply, I’ve had the opportunity to handle and dry fire the 911. The slide serrations and grips are an improvement over other similar models, as are the longer safety levers. I’ll disagree with the reviewer about the trigger though. The example I handled had considerable stacking and grit in the trigger pull. The Sig and the Mustang both still have better triggers.
Yes, the Sig mag always work better in my limited edition colt than factory colt mags. Strange stuff. I buy and use Sig mags and the Sig actually shoot better and has much better sights.
The more and more I read about issues with these high end 380's that I could easily afford, will stick with my LCP Custom for pocket carry. It does a fine job.
I have a lcp custom also; it's ideal for pocket carry due to it's safe double action feature. My "black pearl" p238 is a little jewel but remains in its carry case-lol.
Speaking of magazines, MetalForm makes both six and seven round magazines for the Sig/Sauer P238 which are great quality and sell for about $20. I bought one of the Sig 7 round mags and two of the Metalform , and can not tell any difference in either appearance or function.
I preferred the 911 CCW smaller version and don't regret it. Love it. Smaller and easier to conceal carry, very accurate. Academy had a special for 349 dollars, plus their 20 dollar coupon. You do the math. I came as the winner that day. Hit the lottery. $329 plus tax.
Thank you for a fast moving review. I like the look of the SS model of the 911. You reassured me I am getting a good pistol in the 911. Once the hysteria calms down I’ll pickup a 911 with a laser. For now I’ll continue with my Ruger LCPII with the Viridian Laser
I have the P938 and it's a great gun. Great trigger, sights and feel in the hands. Sig makes about 10 different variations of the gun which is pretty cool too.
I have one also, and it is a beautiful gun with scroll work on the slide. Yesterday I took it out plinking and it jammed a number of times, don't know why, but a $600 gun should not do that. I may trade for a Kimber.
LOve the 911---came with 3 mags--rails a little rough from finish--lightly sanded and polished--400 rds no failures--I am loving the external extractor--- love this pistol
Have the 911 springfield, shot it on the indoor range about 200 rounds and had one failed to fire, fired on second attempt,,, had one jam on ejection, caught case sideways between bolt and chamber, otherwise performed ok... grips are a little agressive leaves hand a little rough after about 100 or so rounds... I like the glow in the dark sights and safety on both sides as I'm an L&R shooter.. .. got it for 299.00 with 5 magazines... well pleased for daily c- carry...
That's ba steal unfortunately just about any small .380 will have a failure from time to time it's the size and shape if the round . Waiting on the 9mm I'll bet runs flawless
Just purchased mine (PG9108 Springfield Armory, the all black one, cheaper) today online for $309 out the door no shipping. Can't beat that. $35 at my FFL and this will be a sweet deal.
Great video. This helped me on my decision when I purchased my black and green 911 today as I finally found a local shop with one in stock. I absolutely love my 911 and can't wait to put a bunch of rounds through it. Thank you again for the video.
I just bought a 911. The rear sight has a cove cut out so you can pull the slide back by hooking the rear sight on the top of your belt. I even did it by pushing against my jeans. I have not yetbfired it, but I noticed that it won't eject a live round WHEN THE MAGAZINE IS REMOVED. The round hangs in place, held - tenaciously - by the extractor...When mag is IN, all six round fully eject.
The Nitron Sig has a Nitron-coated stainless-steel slide, not carbon steel. As for which "mini 1911" is best, I think all 3 -- Sig P238, Springfield 911 and Kimber Micro -- are ALL good...can't go wrong with any of them. -- BR
I have the 911 but in 9mm. I like it but at first, it had a problem with the slide hanging up. I had to polish out an area on the slide and the barrel to solve this issue before I could carry the 911. it does cycle flawlessly now.
My SIG p238 BRG with rubber Houge grips came with an extra 6 round mag. The BRG version has the extended clip/grip that holds 7 rounds. It was in the gun itself in the case and then the 6 round extra clip was in that extra clip space
Excellent review me i take the springfield, though both are very slick little pistols. both would be excellent in 22 long rifle with a staggered clip .
Great video! I own a P238 in HD satin stainless steel. The 911 is a great value, and the trigger alone is a real upgrade… that said, I like the P238’s trigger. The 911’s light weight is another plus, as my HD is +/- 20 oz. The fact that I get a 50% reduction on my new mags is fantastic!! Oh, and pay extra for the mag w/ extended floorplate… even with recoil absorbed w/the HD’s weight, a solid purchase on the grip and 1 extra round are important in self defense. Maybe more so on a lighter pistol. Again, very well done video! I don’t regret my 238 purchase, but my daughter might arm-twist her dad for the 911. Great value.
Excellent review. One of the best I’ve heard in years. Ample lighting for black subjects on black backgrounds. No wasted verbiage or idle gibberish. Bravo.
Outstanding comparison and video. Really enjoyed it as I am doing some research and this popped up. You broke those down scientifically and I really appreciate the effort that you put into this man. Only problem is both of them are real tough to get right now. So many places out of stock. Ugh!.
Your review is fantastic. Great job! I own the 911 and it shoots great but does NOT shoot Fiocchi worth a poo...eats everything else as far as my experience.
Thanks for the great overview. Confirms why I am getting the Springfield 911. I'm definitely a Springfield fan - I have several of their .40 and 9 mm pistols (both XD-S calibers. I love them!). Some years ago my friend and I tried several brands of .380 and we did not like ANY of the trigger pulls so I never considered getting a .380 until now.
@4:08 isn't the p238 a nitron stainless steel slide, not a carbon steel slide? It sure is tough deciding between these two. I think the p238 just looks better but the stainless barrel of the 911 is a plus for me, as is the lower cost. I think the sites are better on the 911 as well. But, I recently shot the p238 and loved it. Decisions decisions.
Damn good job on your video dude I don't even want a 380 and I'm ready to go buy one after watching this no BS no crappy music nothing but what a person wants to hear good job
The 238 comes with two mags based on the one you buy. Mine came with a 7 and a 6 round magazins. The magazines are definitely more expensive than Springfield's but $40 to $50 is too high. $35 all day long.
I am a little confused by your comment, repeated for both pistols, that the magazine release was designed for left-handed shooters only. I am a left-handed owner of the Sig P238, and the release is fairly easy to activate using my left trigger finger. However, I frequently practice shooting right handed, in which case the magazine is even easier to activate using my right thumb. This is a small gun, and in the normal shooting grip my right thumb directly covers the magazine release. To my way of thinking, this release was designed specifically for right-handed shooters.
Right now 8/9/2018 you can get the Sig combat on Bud's gun shop for $518. That's with a house grip, and a laser. The Springfield is $524 that's with Standard grips and no laser.
Nice video. Thank you. A couple of call-outs for folks wanting either of these. Make sure your holster, especially if IWB, covers the mag release. It is etched and will irritate you. It will be on the inside next to your body. Some holster makes use the same cutaway on both sides but you need more coverage on the mag release side. Also the safety might get bothersome after a while (but less so) if not covered. This "comes with the package" i a 1911. I have a couple of holsters that missed these small but important points. I may have to get new holsters.
It’s not discontinued. I just bought one two weeks ago online at Omaha Outdoors. They’re out of stock now but you can click on the notify me when one becomes available and they will send you an email. They notified me when they got some in stock.
Bam, I just snagged one brand new 911 for $399-. I have my girlfriends P238 sitting in my safe and I've been envious and wanting one for myself, now I have comparable for a considerable cheaper price. Yes, that was an impulse buy, but heck it saved me money so I had to move on it.
It's interesting to see so many companies making copies of the colt mustang now and the colt version is still the most striped down and one of the most expensive version. I'd venture to say the only one more expensive than the colt are some of the kimber versions.
Nice presentation... thank you! I have the Sig P238. I don't carry it. The feature these hammer fired guns lack is a de-cocker. I carry the S/A XDE 9mm that is equipped with the de-cocker feature.
P238 does have a slit that lets you see whether there is a round in the chamber or not. @4:20 So yeah, it does have a way to tell you if its a loaded chamber or not.
I have one of the 911 with black finish, tritium sights and have to say I love mine. I tried both it and the sig and liked the 911 way better. The sights and trigger were the stand outs for me. Mine has a 4lb trigger and the outlined green and white tritium sights make it easy to stay on target at reasonable range. Lighter than the sig was just icing on the cake for me. Get one if you find one, they are great.
Glad I watched this 1!! Just ordered another 7 round ext. Mag for my SIG P938 for 1/2 the price. New for $27 shipped off EBay compared to $44 plus shipping for the SIG name brand OEM 7 Round mags.
We've had numerous problems with both the 238 and 938. Failure to extract as well as issues with the grip panel screws constantly coming off. Needed to be sent back to sig to be fixed twice. Too many issues for an expensive pistol but my wife loves that 238
goprenow. Yea for how much it costs it should perform flawlessly, the 911 is about 100-150 bux cheaper than the sig, im gonna go for the 911 here shortly with a sneaky pete holster and im sure ill have little or no problems out of it
I had the failure to extract, but never an issue with my grip but I do have the Talon version (LOVE THE FINGER GROOVES). I found a NICE cleaning of the p238 with some CLP fixed up all issues. Give her some TLC, afterall she may save your life one day
I have fired about 350 rounds through my 238 with out a single failure of any kind, but I can see how the grip screws might get loose. They are only held in by a few threads in the actual frame, not like the real 1911 which has those threaded inserts.
@@gregory8947 yeah probably too small to achieve without touching the magazine should use some red lock tight should fix that problem just be careful needs only a year drop if that .
I'm glad I got my sig on sale for 490.00 I'd be upset. I do like the larger trigger guard opening on the 911. Thanks for the mag info and great review.
Awesome video and tutorial...recently purchased the Springfield 911...think I will be very pleased with it. It came with everything in the case you displayed along with 5 magazine. Super presentation.
Like v David v said Nice job on review. Do have a few points to share. 5:16 Both have view port that shows brass in chamber rear of ejection port on right side so 911 LCI nice but not really necessary. 9:00 the P238 has one big advantage over true 1911 in that slide CAN be operated with safety ON to load or empty chamber or any other function. Don't know if 911 does this also but as similar as they are it probably does.
Yes the slide on the 911 functions with the safety on but only in cocked and locked configuration. If the hammer is down with the safety on, it will not function.
You missed that the safety can be on on the sig and you can insert the magazine and cycle the action putting a round in the chamber without taking it off safety. So you can lock and load it while it's still on safety
Had the 9mm 911 and the trigger on mine was like 9 pounds and the slide was damn near impossible to rack without really applying pressure and jerking it back. Guess I got a bad one. Ended up returning it for trade in credit at my store. My first and last Springfield.
I did like it actually got a 911 2 weeks ago and I really love everything about it except I had two feeding issues I think it was actually one feeding issue and one ejecting issue when firing it and I've only shot it like a hundred full metal jacket rounds out of it and one magazine of sig v crown which I didn't have any issues with but I don't know if seven rounds is enough to say anything for that, and I've also noticed at least on the 7 round magazine with my sig v crown rounds which is what I use for Carrie if I don't push that last 7th bullet forward like a millimeter it doesn't sit at the same angle as the other rounds and sometimes it won't feed whenever I release the slide forward So I am having a tiny bit of buyers remorse but I do extremely love everything else about it I just wish I could have gotten one of the 9mm versions They didn't have them when I was looking at least at the store I was at and I got a smoking deal on it because they mislabeled the one I was looking at so they gave me the cheaper stainless version and I got it brand new for $434 out the door but I am considering trading or selling it to get something else now
Nice Job Always been a big SIG guy but I have been using my son’s 9 m/m storm. I like the Springfield also now. Never new that about there magazines... Thx😎
I was looking for a single stack 380 pocket gun and got the SA 911 with an extended mag and 4 reg mags and a range bag with a velcro holster for 489. I couldn't pass that up. I can't wait to shoot it. Sigs are nice but the price point is just too high for a backup gun.
I love these small micro .380 pocket pistols and have a bunch. I don't have one of these new Springfield Armory 911s yet but I do have....... 2) GLOCK G-42s....one all black and one limited edition 1/500 FDE frame 1) Colt Mustang Pocketlite stainless 1) Sig Sauer P-238 Nitron with custom Hogue cocobolo grips 1) Kimber Desert Night Micro 380 1) Kahr P-380 Premium stainless.....(not the cw-380) 1) Ruger LCP 1) Ruger LCP II The Rugers are my beaters and working guns. They have no sentimental value to me whatsoever and are for using hard where if they get wrecked it's no big deal. I use them while working, fishing, going to the junkyard, fishing, sweating, rain, working on cars and out in my shop etc..etc.. I paid $159 for the LCP and $269 for the LCP II. As good as they are for "value" they are not even close to the others. The Rugers are "ok".....the others are NICE....EXCELLENT!!! The others are NICE pistols and I use them for backup pocket guns to supplement my primary weapon or if I can't carry anything else. This new SA 911 would fall in this category.
GLOCK G-42 Kahr P-380 Colt Mustang Pocketlite Very closely followed by the Sig Sauer P-238 and Kimber Micro .380. Remember, they don't "lose".....you asked my Top 3.
Like a .22 LR and both are very accurate. Remember all these micro .380s need a approximately 250 round break in period before you trust your life to them. Often times they run perfect right out of the box. Once in awhile they don't and need a little shooting first. It doesn't really matter who made it. The same holds true with all brands including the GLOCK.
Use this oil, it helps a lot. www.midwayusa.com/product/1014882024/shooters-choice-fp-10-gun-lubricant-elite-4-oz-liquid This is the best gun oil you can buy. It's all I have used for years. It makes guns run that won't run any other way......Ie extremely tight fitted 1911 .45 ACP pistols and many others. Recommended by Wilson Combat, Les Baer, Dan Wesson, Kimber, Nighthawk Custom, Kahr etc...etc..etc...
FYI the Sig has a plastic trigger which sucks for a gun that historically has always had an aluminum trigger. I own the Sig but the 1911 looks like a better deal. On another note the Kimber which I recently bought a micro 9, seems to be better built than my Sig also. With an aluminum trigger and much tighter tolerances on the slide & frame fit & finish. I paid $699 for the Kimber Micro 9 raptor which is a lot more gun and quality than my Sig .380. But the price on the .380’s has come way down since a year ago..
Enjoyed the review but am curious about the 2.5+ ounce weight difference. Where did Springfield find so much to cut? I see the different grips and slide shape, but 2.5 ounces in a
My Sig P238 came with an extended 7 round magazine in the box. I did purchase an additional Sig extended 7 round magazine for about $50. Very happy with the Sig.
I've had the SIG P238 HD for several years, the HD model is slightly heavier because of it's all Stainless construction. SIG, Springfield and Kimber are all copied from the long discontinued Colt Mustang with mainly cosmetic differences. All three makes are softer shooting micro's than similar sized polymer framed direct blowback operated pistols. Their delayed blowback actions don't require the stronger springs taking less grip strength to operate the slide. The felt recoil is noticeably softer and they are surprisingly accurate for their size.
Just bought a Springfield 911 vs a Sig 238 partly due to your informational video. Thanks
I own the Springfield micro compact 45 and it has been a great gun I love it and it shoots so good.
Now that’s how you do a comparison. That’s how you do a video of any kind. Very well prepared and informative. No slow down with on the spot “umhs and ahhs”. I rarely watch videos over even10 minutes as they seem to have someone stumbling over 3 or 5 minutes of info. WELL DONE!
Midway has metalform mags for cheap, even the extended ones...like $15-$17 and I use them for my P238, they perform flawlessly.
As mentioned in the video, the Springfield 911 mags ALSO fit the Sig P238. Not sure the Kimber Micro mags will fit, but maybe...
-- BR
I clearly got a better deal than I realized on my P238. Got it used for $500 with 2 extended magazines. Looks beautiful, shoots great.
Michael Carnes I got mine new at $650....I have many guns now but this one is still the very best! I didn’t get as good a deal as you did...but the gun is worth every cent(-:
My sig 238 started dropping the magazine while firing at about 1000 rounds. Apparently the mag release spring has been wearing out on these models. I truly loved the gun but this new "feature " scared the hell out of me as this is my every day carry. I sent it back to sig and this is a known problem with the 238 and 938. They replaced the mag release spring and the main spring. Just giving everyone that owns the 238 the heads up
Kevin Medeiros We’ve had the same issue on my wife’s 938. We just received it back from Sig with a new Spring and mags. We need to get it out and see if in fact it has fixed the issue. It’s really a shame as otherwise it’s a great minuscule option for deep concealed carry. I will jump and grab a 9mm 911 as soon as it comes out as it will be great for “shorts” weather. I do hope it doesn’t have the same magazine popping issue as the sig though. If I don’t see the 9mm come soon I may jump at the XDe 45. It’s hideous but the manual of arms is much closer to my preferred carry, the CZ P-01.
Purchased 911 and had many problems feeding any ammo. Tricker pin kept falling out and jammed on every other round. Sent back too factory three times and finally asked for a refund. Springfield did return the purchase price of the 911. I purchased SIG 238 and have run a thousand rounds without a failure. Great comparison on both guns!
I had to send my 238 in to be fixed and my 911 has had no issues whatsoever. I still like both though.
Thanks a lot for the tip about the 911 7-shot mag fitting perfectly in the P238. I just bought me one off Midway for a little more than $18 off Midway. I own a P238.
do you prefer the 911 or p238?
It would be hard to do a better tabletop review/comparison of these two guns. Nice job.
Agree, love the quick talker.
Amen.
Purchased the 911 for my wife who is left handed. The ambidextrous safety was a selling point along with the extra mag and lightness.
I won the Springfield 911 in there EDC $150K "every day carry" contest. 3 months after I purchased the P238. Both weapons are very close as the video shows. I carried both for 3 months and found the 911 to be just a little better of a fit for me and gave the P238 to #1 son. I've measured the trigger weight at 3.4lbs on the 911 and also found the pull on the slide less then on the P238. I preferred the G10 grips on the 911 over the P238's wooden but its a easy and cheap task to put them on the P238, I'm currently trying the Viridian grip laser that was part of the EDC package, I do have to say I am EVERY displeased with Viridian as a company for there product, I can only say it arrived not working, not the prize they said its was and now 4 weeks later 3 ppl and no answers. But the engineer son had it working in a hour. I did prefer the sites on the 911 over the P238 as well. The one thing I did not prefer on the 911 over the P238 is the safety, the ambidextrous safety on such a small weapon IMPO doesn't work. When Time permits, I plan on seeing if the P238 right hand safety lever will fit the 911, if not I will be machining the ambi lever down to keep it from contacting the web of my right hand when lowering it. Great video thank you.
good to know that it wasn't some scam and they actually pick winners
really doesn't make sense to have an ambi safety but not an ambi mag release
@@stewmeat30 Actually it does so you can switch the safety off before you draw with your trigger finger before you draw it out of the holster much easier than with the safety nearest your waist line.
The Punk4Hire they’re made in the same factory. Springfield doesn’t t make anything.
@@stewmeat30 Springfield is known for the most possible safety's on a pistol that will fit so I think they were just sticking to the formula . LoL
The p238 doesn't have a loaded chamber indicator but if you look on the right side of the breech you can always easily see the brass of your cartridge in the open visible gap between the breech and the bolt face. You can see this gap from 6:05 on just aft of the breech. I have the p238 and I love it. It's extremely easy to shoot well as it points naturally. I can hold about a 2-3 inche group at 15 yards bench resting it. With the 4 fives drills (5 shots/ 5 yards/ in 5" circle in 5 seconds) I easily keep everything within the circle. It has far less recoil than a Beretta Cheetah, also a .380 but easily 20% bigger and heavier. I wonder if with 2 oz. lighter than the p238 the 911 will be as comfortable to shoot? It's obviously a clone of the p238 which is a clone of the Colt Mustang II. I love the looks of all 3 but I actually think the new 911 looks best.
The CA P238 version does have the loaded trigger indicator
Excellent comparison. While I know this is older, comparing both to the Kimber Micro380 and Colt Mustang would've have been ideal, but obviously there are limits on time and availability. I have a Sig P238 SAS with stainless slide, much better night sights, and some other features on the Springfield 911. I also have a Kimber Micro380 CDP with the 911 features and a carry "melt" treatment (like the SAS) stainless slide and barrel. In 2015, I paid less than $700 for the Sig new, and the Kimber was under $800. I also found the mags between the Micro380 and P238 were interchangeable, except one Kimber extended mag required much more force due to the base interfering with the P238 magwell (easily fixable).
I've owned the Tuxedo edition P238 for about 4 years now. It lives up to its reputation: it is reliable, accurate, and comfortable to shoot. From a maintenance point of view I've had to change recoils springs about every 600 rounds or so, and I've had to replace the magazine catch spring because the magazine started ejecting while I was shooting it. This is routine for sure. Nice review.
I put a Wolff extra power spring in mine and it really made a difference for 11 bucks. I'd highly recommend it. It made an already comfortable shooting firearm even more so in my opinion. But I've always loved the P238, it's hard to beat for it's size. I got mine for practically nothing so I'd never complain about it. It's always been reliable and accurate for what I would ever need it at.
So just to lend some substance here, the Sig P238 comes in many variations and the case and added items change depending upon that as well. Some come with extended mags and some do not. As far as the Springfield 911 goes, the changes are mostly options that some like over the Sig that are purchasable for the 238. Obviously there is a slight difference in things like the trigger safety and slightly more changes option of the outside extractor and perhaps other changes within the frame that this video did not cover.
That being said, the biggest advantage to buying the Springfield 911 in usable functionality that isn't just based on preferences....is the lifetime warranty offered by SA. Sig's warranty is NOT bad... but in dealing with SA on other handguns, their service is both easy to access and among the very best when it comes to fixing or outright replacing one if their firearms.
If I were not extremely happy with my Sig P238 HD, I'd consider the SA 911... and yes, they fire much the same, though I think the weight balance and guide rod spring make the Sig P238 just that much easier to keep on target for awesome grouping and keyhole shots...especially if the one carrying the gun has an average girl/lady arm and hand strength.
Otherwise, it's hard to go wrong with either.
For me, the Sig ends all comparisons. I've had one for several years and it's taken the fun out of swapping and trading. Once you have one, you never want to let it get away.
Stay away from Dan Wesson, then. No MIM or cast parts, largely hand fitted, all at a price not too much above Sig and Kimber but with much higher quality. DW is like a gateway drug.
Never fired 911, But Just got my p238 3 days ago (238-380-WTP) , though I want the 238-380-TUX soooo bad , but it's haaaaard to find. Even if I do eventually find the TUX will be keeping both most likey. I was shooting a Ruger LCP 380 before this, and geez that thing bites so hard on the base knuckle of the thumb, something fierce, makes it hard to keep a tight grip, easy to flinch from, and mis-ejected like nearly every single mag. The sig I could fire one handed and hit 4in spacing at 7yards. it shoots like a dream compared to that ruger. Im new, shot maybe 700 rounds in my whole life? The Sig was super easy and comfy and reliable. I don't have to worry about having ejection or misfire issues like I did on ruger. This sig likely will never be replaced, other than by another sig I like better. I'm just that happy with it.
Very good and thorough review. I am soon purchasing my first firearm and the 911 caught my attention while browsing today. I am looking for a small and light weight CCW for everyday use and the 911 seems to be the winner due to the compact size and the 1911 styling which I am a fan of. The extended 7 round magazine makes it feel as though it was designed to fit snugly inside my palm and I feel will make an excellent CCW. Great review, very detail oriented and showed the positives of each firearm
Went to the gun store looking for a 911 left with a P238. In person the P238 feels like a more premium product than the 911. Everything on it is just smoother and better machined. The only regret I have about it is that I like the slimness of the 911 for pocket carry.
Hope we get some high capacity versions sometime soon. They're both great guns, even without higher capacity magazines. Seems like all the gun companies are catching on with the whole high capacity micro thing. Would love to see some good SA models too. I don't think the CSX it anywhere near as bad as people make it out to be, but it doesn't compare to the quality of these. If either company made one of these with 10rds (or 11), I think it would be an extremely popular options. I heard the new Bodyguard 2.0 has an excellent trigger too. I think it's a little light though for not having a manual safety. (Although I'm not one for manual safeties... but I do prefer them on handguns with very light, short triggers).
Good comparison video. The biggest improvement I see in the 911 design is the external extractor. P238’s are notorious for throwing brass in your face. The P938 has an external extractor and ejects more predictably. The 911 safety appears to be a little longer and more tactile. Trigger function on the 911 looks better, as you demonstrated. It would be nice if you used a digital trigger pull gauge if you are going to do a side by side comparison. As many know, these are both copies of the Colt Mustang. If Colt would have offered better sights and not been so ridiculously overpriced, they would have sold a ton of them. I own a P238, P938, original Mustang Govt Pocketlite, and Mustang XSP. The best shooter of the group is the P238, (in spite of poor ejection) followed by the Mustang XSP that I had fitted with Novak night sights. The worst overall is the original Govt Pocketlite. Full of cheap 1990’s MIM parts and acts like it. (But still worth a pretty penny)
Since my original reply, I’ve had the opportunity to handle and dry fire the 911. The slide serrations and grips are an improvement over other similar models, as are the longer safety levers. I’ll disagree with the reviewer about the trigger though. The example I handled had considerable stacking and grit in the trigger pull. The Sig and the Mustang both still have better triggers.
Yes, the Sig mag always work better in my limited edition colt than factory colt mags. Strange stuff. I buy and use Sig mags and the Sig actually shoot better and has much better sights.
I have both, my Colt has pre ban factory ivory grips. It is sweet.
My P238 throws brass straight up and sometimes over my head. That being said, I don't believe I've ever had a FTE or FTF.
I noticed the 911 safety can be moved to safe while apart.
The Sig P238 supposedly can not be moved to safe while apart without damaging it.
The more and more I read about issues with these high end 380's that I could easily afford, will stick with my LCP Custom for pocket carry. It does a fine job.
I have a lcp custom also; it's ideal for pocket carry due to it's safe double action feature. My "black pearl" p238 is a little jewel but remains in its carry case-lol.
One of the best "vs" review videos I've watched in a LONG time. 👍🏻
Wow. An updated Sig Sauer p238 at a cheaper price and better quality. The beauty of the free market Capitalism.
JHstyle Won the Sig is a nice looking gun but damn it’s asking a lot for a .380.
LOL.
whatfreedom7 but not a lot for a Sig....
Sig p238 tried and true. Proven. 911? Struggling. Lots of misfeeds
JHstyle Won lol Sig makes them both so they win either way
Speaking of magazines, MetalForm makes both six and seven round magazines for the Sig/Sauer P238 which are great quality and sell for about $20. I bought one of the Sig 7 round mags and two of the Metalform , and can not tell any difference in either appearance or function.
The magazine inter changeable is a Good feature for both Weapons. Thank You for the heads up
I preferred the 911 CCW smaller version and don't regret it. Love it. Smaller and easier to conceal carry, very accurate. Academy had a special for 349 dollars, plus their 20 dollar coupon. You do the math. I came as the winner that day. Hit the lottery. $329 plus tax.
Thank you for a fast moving review. I like the look of the SS model of the 911. You reassured me I am getting a good pistol in the 911. Once the hysteria calms down I’ll pickup a 911 with a laser. For now I’ll continue with my Ruger LCPII with the Viridian Laser
I have the P938 and it's a great gun. Great trigger, sights and feel in the hands. Sig makes about 10 different variations of the gun which is pretty cool too.
I have one also, and it is a beautiful gun with scroll work on the slide. Yesterday I took it out plinking and it jammed a number of times, don't know why, but a $600 gun should not do that. I may trade for a Kimber.
Before you buy the Kimber, but some Kimber clips. They won’t jam in the p938 like sig clips do…
LOve the 911---came with 3 mags--rails a little rough from finish--lightly sanded and polished--400 rds no failures--I am loving the external extractor--- love this pistol
Have the 911 springfield, shot it on the indoor range about 200 rounds and had one failed to fire, fired on second attempt,,, had one jam on ejection, caught case sideways between bolt and chamber, otherwise performed ok... grips are a little agressive leaves hand a little rough after about 100 or so rounds... I like the glow in the dark sights and safety on both sides as I'm an L&R shooter.. .. got it for 299.00 with 5 magazines... well pleased for daily c- carry...
Where did you find it for that price
@@michellefrench1217 I have the same exact question. I'm seeing $549-$599.
That's ba steal unfortunately just about any small .380 will have a failure from time to time it's the size and shape if the round . Waiting on the 9mm I'll bet runs flawless
Thank you for a great in-depth, fair and balanced comparison video. Really, good job.
Just purchased mine (PG9108 Springfield Armory, the all black one, cheaper) today online for $309 out the door no shipping. Can't beat that. $35 at my FFL and this will be a sweet deal.
California compliant models of the sig p238 come with a loaded chamber indicators. And they make a all stainless steel model
They both have a loaded round indicator you can see the round chambered in both of them on the side it’s cutout to show a round is in the chamber
I use Springfield 911 .380 mags in my Sig P238. The Springfield mag works better in the Sig than the Sig mag and is half the price.
Great video. This helped me on my decision when I purchased my black and green 911 today as I finally found a local shop with one in stock. I absolutely love my 911 and can't wait to put a bunch of rounds through it. Thank you again for the video.
Any input? You enjoying the gun?
Same, I just bought a black/green in .380 today. Feels so good in your hands.
Just bought a sig p238 today for $550 at bass pro shops! Pretty pleased with that price! Great review sir!
I purchased the Sig p238 at Academy Sports for $529 included 7 round extended magazine.
P 238 has a loaded chamber indicator. It is to the rear of the chamber on the right side. You of the can see the rim of the cartrtridge.
Excellent review. I am a Sig fan but I love the 911 price and features.
because of your vid. I just bought a 91, I know im going to love it.
I just bought a 911. The rear sight has a cove cut out so you can pull the slide back by hooking the rear sight on the top of your belt. I even did it by pushing against my jeans. I have not yetbfired it, but I noticed that it won't eject a live round WHEN THE MAGAZINE IS REMOVED. The round hangs in place, held - tenaciously - by the extractor...When mag is IN, all six round fully eject.
Your extractor is too tight and needs broken in. The tension will loosen up after 250 -500 rounds.
Thats odd. I was curious so I tried that with my 238 and ejects normally. Does the magazine push or hold up the ejector?
The Nitron Sig has a Nitron-coated stainless-steel slide, not carbon steel.
As for which "mini 1911" is best, I think all 3 -- Sig P238, Springfield 911 and Kimber Micro -- are ALL good...can't go wrong with any of them.
-- BR
I have the 911 but in 9mm. I like it but at first, it had a problem with the slide hanging up. I had to polish out an area on the slide and the barrel to solve this issue before I could carry the 911. it does cycle flawlessly now.
My SIG p238 BRG with rubber Houge grips came with an extra 6 round mag. The BRG version has the extended clip/grip that holds 7 rounds. It was in the gun itself in the case and then the 6 round extra clip was in that extra clip space
I just hope Springfield releases the 911 in a 9mm version so I can save some cash on mags for my P938.
@@jamesgroce3125 sold! Thanks
Excellent review me i take the springfield, though both are very slick little pistols. both would be excellent in 22 long rifle with a staggered clip .
Great video! I own a P238 in HD satin stainless steel. The 911 is a great value, and the trigger alone is a real upgrade… that said, I like the P238’s trigger. The 911’s light weight is another plus, as my HD is +/- 20 oz. The fact that I get a 50% reduction on my new mags is fantastic!! Oh, and pay extra for the mag w/ extended floorplate… even with recoil absorbed w/the HD’s weight, a solid purchase on the grip and 1 extra round are important in self defense. Maybe more so on a lighter pistol.
Again, very well done video! I don’t regret my 238 purchase, but my daughter might arm-twist her dad for the 911. Great value.
Excellent review. One of the best I’ve heard in years. Ample lighting for black subjects on black backgrounds. No wasted verbiage or idle gibberish. Bravo.
Thanks so much for this video Chris. I love the P238 & am happy to see that there's another viable option in the 911. 👌👌👌
Incredibly helpful information! I just made up my mind. It's gonna be the Springfield911.
Outstanding comparison and video. Really enjoyed it as I am doing some research and this popped up. You broke those down scientifically and I really appreciate the effort that you put into this man. Only problem is both of them are real tough to get right now. So many places out of stock. Ugh!.
Your review is fantastic. Great job! I own the 911 and it shoots great but does NOT shoot Fiocchi worth a poo...eats everything else as far as my experience.
Thanks for the great overview. Confirms why I am getting the Springfield 911. I'm definitely a Springfield fan - I have several of their .40 and 9 mm pistols (both XD-S calibers. I love them!). Some years ago my friend and I tried several brands of .380 and we did not like ANY of the trigger pulls so I never considered getting a .380 until now.
I really like the Springfield
@4:08 isn't the p238 a nitron stainless steel slide, not a carbon steel slide? It sure is tough deciding between these two. I think the p238 just looks better but the stainless barrel of the 911 is a plus for me, as is the lower cost. I think the sites are better on the 911 as well. But, I recently shot the p238 and loved it. Decisions decisions.
Damn good job on your video dude I don't even want a 380 and I'm ready to go buy one after watching this no BS no crappy music nothing but what a person wants to hear good job
The 238 comes with two mags based on the one you buy. Mine came with a 7 and a 6 round magazins. The magazines are definitely more expensive than Springfield's but $40 to $50 is too high. $35 all day long.
I am a little confused by your comment, repeated for both pistols, that the magazine release was designed for left-handed shooters only. I am a left-handed owner of the Sig P238, and the release is fairly easy to activate using my left trigger finger. However, I frequently practice shooting right handed, in which case the magazine is even easier to activate using my right thumb. This is a small gun, and in the normal shooting grip my right thumb directly covers the magazine release. To my way of thinking, this release was designed specifically for right-handed shooters.
Right now 8/9/2018 you can get the Sig combat on Bud's gun shop for $518. That's with a house grip, and a laser. The Springfield is $524 that's with Standard grips and no laser.
Nice video. Thank you. A couple of call-outs for folks wanting either of these. Make sure your holster, especially if IWB, covers the mag release. It is etched and will irritate you. It will be on the inside next to your body. Some holster makes use the same cutaway on both sides but you need more coverage on the mag release side. Also the safety might get bothersome after a while (but less so) if not covered. This "comes with the package" i a 1911. I have a couple of holsters that missed these small but important points. I may have to get new holsters.
I just discovered the 911 last week and after getting excited, learned that it was discontinued along with a number of pistols. :-/ Great review!
It’s not discontinued. I just bought one two weeks ago online at Omaha Outdoors. They’re out of stock now but you can click on the notify me when one becomes available and they will send you an email. They notified me when they got some in stock.
I love my Sig P223 LS. 7 + 1 in the chamber without any safeties. My Fav is my Sig P220 .45 stainless of course.
Bam, I just snagged one brand new 911 for $399-. I have my girlfriends P238 sitting in my safe and I've been envious and wanting one for myself, now I have comparable for a considerable cheaper price. Yes, that was an impulse buy, but heck it saved me money so I had to move on it.
Kimber mags will work in the p238 and those are under $20 on line also Colt mustang mags which are also under $20
Cabela's has the actual Sig 238 mags for $28.00 which isn't too bad
2:38 Number of mags for Sig varies by model. RG shown has 1 flush while others have extended, both, or even 3 mags
It's interesting to see so many companies making copies of the colt mustang now and the colt version is still the most striped down and one of the most expensive version. I'd venture to say the only one more expensive than the colt are some of the kimber versions.
Prefer the Sig P238 over the 911, simply because the heavier frame helps manage the recoil much better.
Nice presentation... thank you! I have the Sig P238. I don't carry it. The feature these hammer fired guns lack is a de-cocker. I carry the S/A XDE 9mm that is equipped with the de-cocker feature.
I'd still buy sig no matter what
And buy the mags at the cheaper price
make America great again true. Springfield is shit
P238 does have a slit that lets you see whether there is a round in the chamber or not. @4:20 So yeah, it does have a way to tell you if its a loaded chamber or not.
Great review of both pistols! Thank you! It's just too bad that Springfield Armory stopped making the 911.
Did they really? That sucks
I have one of the 911 with black finish, tritium sights and have to say I love mine. I tried both it and the sig and liked the 911 way better. The sights and trigger were the stand outs for me. Mine has a 4lb trigger and the outlined green and white tritium sights make it easy to stay on target at reasonable range. Lighter than the sig was just icing on the cake for me. Get one if you find one, they are great.
Glad I watched this 1!! Just ordered another 7 round ext. Mag for my SIG P938 for 1/2 the price. New for $27 shipped off EBay compared to $44 plus shipping for the SIG name brand OEM 7 Round mags.
Shot 50 rounds of different manufactures and the Springfield worked great. One eject hit my safety glasses!!
The Springfield 911is a copy of the Sig238, which is a copy of the Colt Mustang.
We've had numerous problems with both the 238 and 938. Failure to extract as well as issues with the grip panel screws constantly coming off. Needed to be sent back to sig to be fixed twice. Too many issues for an expensive pistol but my wife loves that 238
goprenow. Yea for how much it costs it should perform flawlessly, the 911 is about 100-150 bux cheaper than the sig, im gonna go for the 911 here shortly with a sneaky pete holster and im sure ill have little or no problems out of it
I had the failure to extract, but never an issue with my grip but I do have the Talon version (LOVE THE FINGER GROOVES). I found a NICE cleaning of the p238 with some CLP fixed up all issues. Give her some TLC, afterall she may save your life one day
I have fired about 350 rounds through my 238 with out a single failure of any kind, but I can see how the grip screws might get loose. They are only held in by a few threads in the actual frame, not like the real 1911 which has those threaded inserts.
@@gregory8947 yeah probably too small to achieve without touching the magazine should use some red lock tight should fix that problem just be careful needs only a year drop if that .
VERY well done presentation! Liked, subbed and shared. Looking forward to perusing your offerings on some other firearms at which I am looking.
Rev. Steven Taylor Thanks for watching and subbing! I appreciate the feedback :)
Excellent review, concise and comprehensive. Thank you. I like the Springfield (except for the ambi safety lever).
The P238 can chamber a round while the thumb safety is on as well. I’ll stick with Sigs. My 220 is a great pistol too
Appears to be a right handed shooter only, or am I confused?
Can you use Sig grips on the 911? The Alpha version of the 911 does not have ambi safety.
I'd be interested in knowing that as well
I'm glad I got my sig on sale for 490.00 I'd be upset. I do like the larger trigger guard opening on the 911. Thanks for the mag info and great review.
Awesome video and tutorial...recently purchased the Springfield 911...think I will be very pleased with it. It came with everything in the case you displayed along with 5 magazine. Super presentation.
Like v David v said Nice job on review. Do have a few points to share.
5:16 Both have view port that shows brass in chamber rear of ejection port
on right side so 911 LCI nice but not really necessary.
9:00 the P238 has one big advantage over true 1911 in that slide CAN be
operated with safety ON to load or empty chamber or any other function.
Don't know if 911 does this also but as similar as they are it probably does.
Yes the slide on the 911 functions with the safety on but only in cocked and locked configuration. If the hammer is down with the safety on, it will not function.
Yes I do agree with the another comment that said that they're both copies of the original which was the Colt Mustang
This is a great review and very helpful. Thanks!
You missed that the safety can be on on the sig and you can insert the magazine and cycle the action putting a round in the chamber without taking it off safety.
So you can lock and load it while it's still on safety
Had the 9mm 911 and the trigger on mine was like 9 pounds and the slide was damn near impossible to rack without really applying pressure and jerking it back. Guess I got a bad one. Ended up returning it for trade in credit at my store. My first and last Springfield.
Nicely done (both the gun-Springfield) and your presentation.
I did like it actually got a 911 2 weeks ago and I really love everything about it except I had two feeding issues I think it was actually one feeding issue and one ejecting issue when firing it and I've only shot it like a hundred full metal jacket rounds out of it and one magazine of sig v crown which I didn't have any issues with but I don't know if seven rounds is enough to say anything for that, and I've also noticed at least on the 7 round magazine with my sig v crown rounds which is what I use for Carrie if I don't push that last 7th bullet forward like a millimeter it doesn't sit at the same angle as the other rounds and sometimes it won't feed whenever I release the slide forward So I am having a tiny bit of buyers remorse but I do extremely love everything else about it I just wish I could have gotten one of the 9mm versions They didn't have them when I was looking at least at the store I was at and I got a smoking deal on it because they mislabeled the one I was looking at so they gave me the cheaper stainless version and I got it brand new for $434 out the door but I am considering trading or selling it to get something else now
Nice Job Always been a big SIG guy but I have been using my son’s 9 m/m storm. I like the Springfield also
now. Never new that about there magazines... Thx😎
Also. I am pretty sure the slide on the 238 is stainless also. At least their website says so.
I was looking for a single stack 380 pocket gun and got the SA 911 with an extended mag and 4 reg mags and a range bag with a velcro holster for 489. I couldn't pass that up. I can't wait to shoot it. Sigs are nice but the price point is just too high for a backup gun.
I love these small micro .380 pocket pistols and have a bunch. I don't have one of these new Springfield Armory 911s yet but I do have.......
2) GLOCK G-42s....one all black and one limited edition 1/500 FDE frame
1) Colt Mustang Pocketlite stainless
1) Sig Sauer P-238 Nitron with custom Hogue cocobolo grips
1) Kimber Desert Night Micro 380
1) Kahr P-380 Premium stainless.....(not the cw-380)
1) Ruger LCP
1) Ruger LCP II
The Rugers are my beaters and working guns. They have no sentimental value to me whatsoever and are for using hard where if they get wrecked it's no big deal. I use them while working, fishing, going to the junkyard, fishing, sweating, rain, working on cars and out in my shop etc..etc.. I paid $159 for the LCP and $269 for the LCP II. As good as they are for "value" they are not even close to the others. The Rugers are "ok".....the others are NICE....EXCELLENT!!!
The others are NICE pistols and I use them for backup pocket guns to supplement my primary weapon or if I can't carry anything else. This new SA 911 would fall in this category.
what are you top 3 pistols?? I'm wanting to get a couple
GLOCK G-42
Kahr P-380
Colt Mustang Pocketlite
Very closely followed by the Sig Sauer P-238 and Kimber Micro .380.
Remember, they don't "lose".....you asked my Top 3.
hahaha I actually wanted a Glock 42 and P380. nice! so the recoil is ok on those?
Like a .22 LR and both are very accurate.
Remember all these micro .380s need a approximately 250 round break in period before you trust your life to them. Often times they run perfect right out of the box. Once in awhile they don't and need a little shooting first.
It doesn't really matter who made it. The same holds true with all brands including the GLOCK.
Use this oil, it helps a lot.
www.midwayusa.com/product/1014882024/shooters-choice-fp-10-gun-lubricant-elite-4-oz-liquid
This is the best gun oil you can buy. It's all I have used for years.
It makes guns run that won't run any other way......Ie extremely tight fitted 1911 .45 ACP pistols and many others.
Recommended by Wilson Combat, Les Baer, Dan Wesson, Kimber, Nighthawk Custom, Kahr etc...etc..etc...
I believe I read elsewhere that the cutouts on the 911 trigger are lightening holes, to reduce the weight.
PS -- any plans on looking at the 911 9mm?
The Mustang XSP should have been in this comparison too, since these two are based on the Mustang design.
Great video. Own the P238 and been thinking of getting the 911. This video sealed the deal. Happy mags are interchangeable.
FYI the Sig has a plastic trigger which sucks for a gun that historically has always had an aluminum trigger. I own the Sig but the 1911 looks like a better deal. On another note the Kimber which I recently bought a micro 9, seems to be better built than my Sig also. With an aluminum trigger and much tighter tolerances on the slide & frame fit & finish. I paid $699 for the Kimber Micro 9 raptor which is a lot more gun and quality than my Sig .380. But the price on the .380’s has come way down since a year ago..
Enjoyed the review but am curious about the 2.5+ ounce weight difference. Where did Springfield find so much to cut? I see the different grips and slide shape, but 2.5 ounces in a
Nutnfancy weighed the P238 in at about 13 oz, so Sig may be conservative with the listed weight
Alloy
That's a great question. Somewhere in-between alloy and lest quality controls.