Springfield Hellcat vs Sig P365
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- Опубликовано: 13 июл 2024
- This video is a table-top comparison and review of the Springfield Hellcat and the Sig P365. We will go through a point-by-point comparison of the two so you can have a better idea of which will be best for you if you are thinking about purchasing either. Enjoy!
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The use of dollar bill for comparisons is absolutely brilliant~!
Layman term..
Unless u don't live in the US
@@KF-wg2si Yeah you are correct. I am sure if you really care, It would be easy to find out the dimensions of a dollar and make a cut out.
I love how you ran through everything between both pistols in a short amount of time
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Great video 👍...
Holy crap that was the fastest unboxing ever.
Great video, I love my 365 but that Hellcat looks good too. I never would have imagined such compact 9mm pistols back in the 80’s when my off duty and backup gun was a 380 Walther PPK/S with 7 round magazines. We’ve come a long way baby!
I have about 400 rounds through my Hellcat, with zero malfunctions. It's a great little pistol.
You mean stoppages/jams. Malfunctions are something completely different and require service.
Stan McInerney seriously? If you want to get technical, a malfunction is any mal (bad) function. Any time the firearm does not function properly. Stoppages and jams are types of malfunctions. I don’t know where you picked up that hyper-specific and improper usage of the word, but it’s not the actual meaning of “malfunction.” Stop attacking someone for no reason and providing no useful discourse when they’re not even misusing a word. A catastrophic failure or catastrophic malfunction does require service.
@@ruel1072. You really need to get over yourself.
Jonathan Parker lol at "attacking someone". Sensitivity is prevalent in today's "adults". And, yes don't confuse malfunction with a stoppage.
@@ruel1072 get a life troll
The speed and yet attention to every detail......is why I subscribed to this channel at only 3:20 into the video. I paused it just to make this comment. Great style.
Informative, no bs show off, I like that kind of opinion.
He clearly favors the sig. Couldn't stand to watch the last 8 mins.
@@vfropps dat sig does feels better in the hands than the hellcat tho
vfropps Originally looked for the Hellcat. Couldn’t find one and purchased the Sig. I am happy I did. Issues with the Sig have been dealt with since it was introduced and I prefer the Sig for the trigger and modular design and think it was the better choice although the differences are subtle. The fire control group is removable by removing the pin at the rear. I carry it in a Crossbreed super tuck holster all day and barely know it’s there although the grip texture is sometimes irritating on the skin but it’s not an issue
thank you for speaking quickly and getting to the point. tired of these other videos that take forever to get to the point. awesome video!!
It was the most perfect gun rewiev I’ve ever watched. Thorough, fast, unbiased perfection. Thanks!
I watch a lot of table top comparison videos. You sir put out probably one of the best ones I have seen. Not too long, and you cover lots of good information quickly and legibly. You got my sub!
I will give my input as recently, I have purchased both as my first "owned" carry guns. Why you may say? Well to be honest, I couldn't decide. I've put nearly 200 rounds through each. Should be a bit more in the near future. Not much I know, but less is sometimes more. My thought process was to check and see if Sig had worked out the kinks. They did. So far. No striker drag. No malfunctions. Flawless shooting. Great gun. However, same could be said for the Hellcat. No malfunctions. More capacity. I understand, new gun on the market, probably should have waited. Nope. Both guns were purchased at $499 pretax. Did not get the Optics Ready model of the Hellcat, didn't care for it. Both guns have unique, awesome night sights. I prefer them equally. However, I did my shooting at 3, 7 and 10 yards. The Hellcat was snappier. That being said, it out performed the Sig, and I had to do some wind adjustments towards the right with the back sights, as out of the box the Sig P365 at 3 yards still shot bottom left by a little ways. The ergonomics of the grip, easily goes to the Hellcat. Feels better in the hand. My hand size by glove would be Large, so even though I'm a large dude (6'5" 285 lbs) my hands aren't abnormal. I can get all three fingers on the bottom of both guns' extended mags, as well as when both the Sig 10+1 and Hellcat 11+1 mags each have their extended base plate attached. Yet to contradict that, the ergonomics of gripping the gun from my holster is easily the P365. It is just slightly smaller, and I carry from the 3-5 o'clock area or small of the back with a hoodie. It's so much easier to control, and not sweep myself whatsoever. To pick one would honestly be like picking which one of your children is best. I love them both. I rotate them, until I feel one day I'll have a preference. However, just by notice, the Hellcat is a little thicker near the barrel, which in turn makes it fit easier into some bigger or "shitty" holsters, without risk of falling out. So thus far, it is my carry gun. I just purchased two kydex holsters from Concealment Express, and I'll give you an update if you've read this far, as to which has worked out better. Believe me, I know the feeling as do I pick "what is trusted in Sig Sauer, even though it had early malfunctions?" Or do I go with the new kid on the block from Springfield, as he has one more round to chamber?" I'd hate to be like every other guy out there, but I believe Sig has a real diamond on their hands. However, I'll test both and let you know. The Hellcat is nothing to fuck with, you can really run it even with its trigger safety "complications". Carry, and stay safe out there.
Let me help you Fix that Hellcat with its trigger safety "complications". ruclips.net/video/BfQDTJ-ny7c/видео.html
Might end up doing the same as you and purchase both as my first gun. If I think about it, I don't wanna get stuck to using only one certain type of gun, it'll be nice to be flexible. Please update me with any new info. If I'm only able to buy one ($$$) I'm leaning towards getting the hellcat.
@@charlieme5150 For sure man. I'll give you an update. I've put about 400-500 rounds through my Sig Sauer P365 and about 300ish through the Hellcat to try to simply break them in, but then the ammo shortage happened so I've be stagnant or else they'd both have +600 each. I can tell you after fixing the trigger with a small file like the video linked in the comment above greatly fixed any sort of trigger issue. Runs flawlessly. Can't get it to lock up now. However, it's still easier to shoot the P365. And I bought a 12 round mag to have the extension meet the same length as the 13 round mag of the Hellcat. For whatever reason, I grip the Hellcat better, feels more secure in my hand...but yet it's still just a slight bit snappier. But I can put both guns in category of best micro sub compacts on the market. You can't go wrong with either. Depends simply during our current Covid climate which you can find for the best price. The Sig does have the 3 dot night sights which I do like, but I really like the brightness of that yellow/tridium Hellcat combo. I can still hit 4x4 inch targets at 7 yards, and 6x6 inch at 10 yards with both guns, full mags, and I'm not a great shot.
However, buying both, I recommend you do two things. 1st, Feel them both by grip in the hand. If you're just buying online, go with your gut...but the grip goes a LONG way as it has to mesh with your hand, especially bigger hands, because otherwise small guns flop around if pinky don't rest, etc. And 2nd, get the OSP model of the Hellcat if you do. Optics are part of the future and you'll regret not buying it, like I did. You can look into the Sig Sauer P365 XL as it's optics ready too, but only ones made by Sig. I unfortunately sold my Hellcat, because of this fact alone, but that's also due to bring able to get my hands on a CZ P-10 S. Love that gun. Bit bigger and it's a CZ, lol.
So that'll be my winter carry, and the P365 is my summer. If the Hellcat was OSP, I'd have sold the P365. Hope this helps.
@@roguemaster007 You can have a gunsmith drill the holes for the OSP if your current Hellcat does not have them, just an FYI.
@@TheCartoons4you thanks for the tip. But I sold it already anyhow.
Really appreciated the close-up trigger comparison and talking through what you were feeling on the pull and reset. That's something few people talk about on other videos I've seen.
Great video. And thank you for getting right to the important stuff. Some reviewers just love to hear themselves talk about 5 minutes before getting to the meat of the review.
Best comparison video for these two compacts on the internet! I thumbed through countless videos and none are as descriptive as yours!
Thanks and keep putting up the great videos!
Subscribed!!
I like how quickly and thoroughly you compared them. Subscribed.
Best review I've ever seen. Head to head is especially helpful. Thanks for posting.
Nice to find an informative review from a fellow Hoosier only a few miles away. Currently trying to decide between these two myself. Leaning towards the 365.
I like SIG, and I even carry a P320 as a duty gun. When it came time to buy a new backup, I walked in the shop expecting to buy a P365 and left with a Hellcat. It just felt better in my hand and it shoots nice for the size.
I’ve had my 365 for almost 2 years and carry it everywhere I go with 12+1. I can’t say enough great things about it. I also love the sights because when I wake up at night those 3 dots are glowing beautifully in the dark and I’ll never have to fumble trying to find it.
I have no problems with the Hellcat except I just don’t see the need to buy a different gun that serves the exact same purpose of one that has already proven to be perfectly reliable. I’ll save my money for something else.
Kevin Parks - I finally got to “ Hold” one the other day. I have a Glock - 42 ( .380) and the hellcat was almost identical to it and fit great. I haven’t owned a P365 and they may be so close it’s not much difference. I do own a SA XD in .40 and will probably stay the course since I know what they do. That’s the only reason though.
@@bmd1825 So, I was going to buy a Glock 42. Dead set on it. then I went to the gun store and my buddy that works there said hey, take a look at this first and handed me a P365. I compared the two and bought the Sig even though it was over 100 more. 9mm instead of 380, sights that don't suck ass AND glow in the dark, a better feeling grip with plenty of texture, a better mag release, more capacity AND the exact same size as the 42. I was instantly sold on the Sig and I haven't regretted it even for a second.
@Dream Theory My buddy has one, it's alright but not for me. My Sig will do me well! The hellcat has some good features, but the 365 for me is the better gun.
Guns are like accessories. Buy one of each.
Kevin Mayer of course i will take p365 over the g42. I bought my g42 6 years ago when it first came out. Lol. Just bought p365 this week. Best cc 9mm for small-med size folks. Hellcat is a good gun. It has more kicks than p365. Sold my xds 9mm for the same reason. Springfield makes snappy guns. Dont know why
Just seen an Armory do a 10,000 round test on the Hellcat and it performed flawlessly , I carry a Sig P226 on duty and love Sigs but leaning toward the Hellcat for off duty.
great job fella. your very good at that. u dont mess around. info is always flowing and zero jibber jabber stuff.
Excellent Comparison for me. Covered all the main features I was looking for. Thanks well done!
Terrific job on the review........I have really come to enjoy all you videos....much thanks
Best table top comparison I've seen.
Very well done evaluation! All points covered in a concise method. Noticed the OSP was not discussed.
Well done comparison on all of the features and functions and pricing including the accessories
Love the Hellcat. Shoots great, inspires confidence
Love it when a gun does that!!
The best reviewer period.
Never seen a review this thorough in such a short amount of time. Thank you for posting.
I actually like the fact you don't do shooting in your vids. Sometimes its annoying to be listening to a RUclips talk and then bang bang bang.........and now the baby is up ugh. Love your channel man keep up the good work.
Nailed it 👆 #DadLife
iPac9mm Lmaoo if someone didn’t watch h45 videos they’d be so confused by your comment
jaiah momoh I love Hickok.
Good editors of their videos will design them to muffle the sudden bang bang or lead into it so you know its coming. With Hickok you expect and want to see his marksmanship.
Great job. To the point, no filler, just the facts Jack!
I’ve shot both (about 100 rounds per). The hellcat is significantly more snappy with recoil than the p365. The p365 trigger is also much better in my opinion.
Me too.
The P365 Series is a tier above the Hellcat.
Yeah right... Lies
I want you to review every future purchase I consider! Very thorough and well thought out review. Thank you for your effort! Subscribed!
Nice size comparison with the dollar bill and pistols. Never thought of doing that. It gives me a great idea on how it will fit in my EDC, Thanks again.
That was great for size reference! Thanks
Great video, straight to the point! I don't want both of them only one. You helped me make my decision, thank you 👍
Something to consider, the hellcat accessory rail is a Glock rail so you can use any light or laser that fits. The p365 only accepts Sig lights and lasers.
Not true. Streamlight tlr6, made for the P365
Crimson Trace LG-422 Red
LG-422G Green
You can get an after later and lights - so this comment is incorrect
@@matthewfalkner glock rails are similar to standard picatinny rails, but not the same. Glock rails are a little smaller than 1913 picatinny rails. Accessories are not necessarily interchangeable. However, there are also accessories for the Sig to add a standard pic rail.
You can also get different Sig grips with different options in that regard
I bought my first gun recently and before I saw this video, I actually had the hardest time deciding between the P365XL and the Hellcat. It all came down to the feel and the Hellcat just barely edged out the P365XL. I am really happy with my purchase. I heard that some people were having issues when they applied side pressure to the trigger, but I haven't had that issue. I may get a P320 later, but the Springfield Hellcat is one hell of a gun and I really enjoy it.
Skydiving Squid i have a p365 and p320 compact. Both are awesome.
hellcat was my 3rd handgun I ever purchased and I absolutely love mine. great choice my friend
I waffled between the two and settled on the Hellcat for the same reason. Never had or heard of problems with the trigger. I also have a P320 full size and it’s a very nice gun too
The hell would you buy an xl version for. Like getting a Volkswagen Beatles with monster truck tires because you don't want to get a truck and also don't want a compact car.
Quick and straight to the point, love this video.
this is the best review of these 2 pistols on the net without exception.....great job..
Great job at getting to the point without wasted words
Excellent narrative and comparison.
As many have commented on....you don’t talk about yourself for the first half and then quickly finish the video.
Something else, there isn’t some loud trashy music playing as an intro.
Great job. I own the P365, and am considering the Hellcat as an addition to my EDC. This helped.
SFC, US Army Retired
Enjoyed your matter of fact comparison! I have Ruger LC9s, G43 and P365. Ive been thinking about Hellcat too!
Great job showing these 2 postals.
Enjoyed your knowledge.
This review was fantastic! I'm new to gun purchases and this really helped me, Thank you :)
I have not even completed your video and I already like your review, very qiuck clear and thorough.
I haven’t put hands on a Hellcat, but I’ve been carrying the P365 with 12 round mag for a little over a year and it’s great. Definitely my favorite little carry gun right now.
Jerry G same gun. No need to buy the same gun. I was on the fence between the 2 also. Ended up buying p365. Hellcat is a bit snappier! I hate Springfield for this reason. Sold my xds 9mm for the same reason.
The hellcat is incredible! Being a lefty I switched my mag release..this sucker is accurate..I am female and ex cop, and did not find it snappy at all.
I have tried both. It truly was splitting hairs on which one I want to purchase Oh, but I decided to go with the p365. I just found a Hellcat just a bit snappier compared to the p365. And I don't regret purchasing the Sig, I absolutely love it!
Pick mine up any day now.
I went with the Hellcat because the grip felt a bit thicker in the front and rear grip. I'm sure I will have a 365 sometime in the future.
I bought The Hellcat because , for me personally the ergonomics are better. It fits my hand perfectly and another plus was that for an extra 30bucks you get the optic ready slide cutout. Both are excellent choices. It just comes down to personal preference
Same with me. Ended up with p365. Hellcat is snappier.
Best review I’ve seen.
Thanks for a very good comparison. The 800 pound gorilla- Bass Pro - is selling them on Black Friday for $400.
This is how all comparison vids should be. Great job.
Great quick review. I like the speed at which you talk and your not fumbling over your words.
Good video. Kills me with how much some people talk about trigger travel and reset on a CCW. 😖
long trigger reset makes it hard to shoot and do follow up shot regardless what type of pistol.
Best review on these guns out there.
Hey Thanks for the objects you use to reference the sizes of these Carry Guns, a thoughtful approach that really Helps when choosing which Pistols to purchase 💪
Great review, specific, clear and fast!😎👍
best comparison video on youtube. No BS. Just unbiased facts.
Great comparison, thanks for this honest, informative video! Choosing between the P365 and Hellcat is extremely hard so I finally got both. Being used to a Glock trigger I prefer the Hellcat trigger plus having the 11 and 13 round magazines right in the box are a big advantage over the P365's two 10 round mags. I bought another Hellcat 13 round mag and couple P365 12 round mags which evens things out a little. I bought the P365 SAS for snag free operation but now question whether I should have gone with standard SIG sights which are better for accuracy than the Hellcat sights. But within 7 yards all three types of sights are adequate. Overall I prefer shooting the P365 because it fits my hand so well. The Hellcat grip is boxy and the trigger guard crimps my finger as was mentioned in the video. In the end, either is a perfect "pocket gun" and maybe, just maybe you will want the Hellcat's extra round or two - and that's probably the bottom line. Hopefully these guns will be carried a lot and fired a little as the great Jeff Cooper once said about the vicious but effective Star PD 45ACP!
That was like listening to a fast disclaimer at the end of a commercial.
The Hellcat is probably the best pistol Springfield has ever made outside of their 1911s. The ergonomics and grip texture is great. The feel of the trigger kind of reminds me of a mix between a Beretta APX and the S&W M&P 2.0 line. Design wise it looks like a mashup of a Sig and S&W design. I had the chance to fire one this past weekend and while I'll give it a slight edge over the P365, I will still recommend and choose a P365 at this time. You can find the Sig P365 anywhere, 3rd party support for it is better, and it tends to be cheaper than the Hellcat. While I don't like Springfield Armory, they deserve credit where credit is due. The Hellcat is a fantastic gun.
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Jackson Walter very fair review! Classy
Never heard of the hellcat until seeing comments about it in the Fn 509 reviews. Went to the gun shop and checked out a tactical FN 509. It was cool but expensive and big for a carry. Looked in the case for a FN 503 and they didn’t have one. But they did have a Hellcat. I asked about the Hellcat and the guy got excited right away. He said you have to get your hand this one the feel is great! He gave it to me and right a away I could tell what he was talking about. It was balanced and comfortable!! I asked about a SiG and he was like you will tell the difference right away. He gave me the SiG and he was right the Hellcat was better in terms of grip and balance. It will be my next gun for sure!
@Dream Theory It was a though decision for me when I finally saved up enough money to purchase either one. Eventually I went with the Hellcat even though I don't really like Springfield. Yeah the Hellcat's trigger isn't as great as the P365 (although the Apex trigger makes it so much better than the Sig P365 if you want to shell out the money for it). I also agree that the extended mag feels a little cheaper on the Hellcat compared to the P365. There's too many polymer areas where the P365's extended mag has more of the grip texture on it. The other benefits are what made me eventually choose the Hellcat over the P365 a few months after I made this comment. I choose this gun for high capacity and ultra concealment. Because of that I don't use the extended mags on it and still get an extra round over the P365. I also love the grip texture where the thumb is suppose to rest on the Hellcat as opposed o the smooth polymer area on the P365. The standard accessory rail was a huge bonus over the proprietary Sig accessory rail. It's not an issue for those with Sig accessories or don't mind purchasing an additional adapter to get a standard rail. If I was looking for a gun that was a little bit larger than the Sig P365 XL would be my choice because Springfield doesn't offer anything like that. I'm glad the XL version of the P365 fits your needs.
@@dingoog1 I'm glad it worked out for you. It's very difficult to choose between the two for me since both are excellent guns. A few months after I made this comment prices started increasing because of the pandemic and I ended up purchasing the Hellcat before things got ridiculous. I love the grip texture on the Hellcat. It can get a lockdown grip on it even though it's such a tiny gun and it's not aggressive to the point where it chafe my hands. Not many guns have this but I love that Springfield added the grip texture where your thumbs usually rest instead of the smooth polymer. You get an extra round with the flush fit mag which is what I use because I bought this gun for ultra concealment. You also get a standard accessory rail so you don't have to purchase any proprietary lights or lasers. The trigger was the area where the Sig P365 outshines the Hellcat for me, but all the other pros of the Hellcat ultimately led to me purchasing the Hellcat instead. Recently Apex released a trigger for the Hellcat and it makes the trigger much better than the P365's trigger. I haven't found an aftermarket trigger (Grayguns, Armory Craft, and Sig's own flat trigger are the ones I tried) for the P365 that comes to close to how great the Apex trigger is on the Hellcat yet. While you don't need it, the $75 trigger was well worth the upgrade for me.
Wow, I didn't realize how similar they are. The hellcat seems to have a lower bore axis though. But that's kind of hard to tell without precise measurements. The Sig, however, looks to be slightly smaller yet have a little more rail length. So I think it would be easier to mount a light or laser too. Both seem like amazing options. What a great video! I love the fast no BS approach. Outstanding!
This was a phenomenal review thank you!
Always love your vids, sir.
Ditto
Excellent review, good quick pace. Best one out there. Im Liking the hellcat better
Thanks for the comparison.
Excellent delivery! More reviews need to follow your style!
Straight to the point... no unnecessary babbling!! Very nicely done...👏👏👏
Great review! Thanks! Hope u make more videos like this!
I like this video's very detailed comparing both guns !
Excellent no nonsense comparison thank you sir 🍻
Best video yet in comparison of HC and 365....TY
Thumbs up for not wasting time. Earned a new sub
Great video quick and to the point but very engaging.
Nice review of both weapons. Thanks!
Like the speed and content. No rambling and to the point.
Great video. Very concise and informative.
Hellcat for me. Good job.
That was a REALLY good review. This made me subscribe....
Absolutely a great review
And in my CPL class i was taught to always grip the top of the slide and pull back then let go tend to guide the slide back which leads to more jams when just using 3 fingers plus have more grip on it in heated situations Palm, Pull, and Plink!
Have both as well as G43x. I've been carrying the Hellcat for about 6 months now. It's my personal overall preference.
What's your input compared to the 43x?
If you see this, have you had any issues with the Hellcat? I will be buying either the 365 or Hellcat when my income tax return comes back which could be awhile.
@@paulhung2142 My wife has the Osp Hellcat and she loves it. She's had the sig p320 compact and the p365 and likes the hellcat better than both.
@@hartless0493 Thanks for the information. I have never shot a pistol or semi-automatic handgun. Getting up in age I'm now thinking about a revolver. They have no safety but it may be my best option.
@@paulhung2142the only revolver I've ever shot was the Lady Smith .38 by Smith and Wesson and I hated it. To much recoil and it hurt my palm. Try the hellcat you want be disappointed.
Keep up the good work. It'll pay off one day my friend. Don't give up.
Hella good video, thanks! I love my guns. Have Springfield XDM in 9mm and .45, love both. Daughters love shooting the 9mm and they bought their own. I wanted something smaller/lighter, am not a SIG fan but it is an excellent gun! Went to indoor range/gun shop, looking at SIG365 and Hellcat...my lady friend sez "check this!" She pulled a Springfield promo box out, Hellcat, range bag, small bag for pistol, lock cable, 11 rnd, 2 13 rnd and 2 15 end mags, last promo....for $529! The other basic Hellcat non optic options started at $549 with just 2 mags! Adjusted sights off sandbag and went to work on paper starting 21 feet...groups black and surprisingly tight for 3 inch barrel. Very very happy with this well crafted gun. Trigger...more take up than I like but will refit with PRP and Hyve (monarch) to reduce travel by half and pull to +/- 3.4 pounds.
The top serrations on the Hellcat are to assist with racking the slide one handed on your thigh.
I own both , I love the 365 , shoots like a full size and very accurate , also , magguts makes a 14 round spring kit for p365 12 rd mags for a whopping 15 rd micro. Haven’t shot the hellcat yet but it feels robust and durable and I like the feel of the trigger
Awesome review of both pistols. Way to cut to the chase! I just bought the Hellcat!
I bought the p365 sas and love it. The more i look at the hellcat i feel i need it! lol
Great product review! Thank you!
I bought 2 HellCats right before xmas. Fantastic micro pistol! Feels great!
This helps alot.... Thanks for your time
I have the p365 i love it...very accurate
Excellent video thank you!
Great Job, no BS and right to the point
Very informative I am considering a 9mm sig but I will be looking at the Hell Cat as well thanks .
Great comparison; thanks !
Just bought the hellcat and I'm excited to pick it up soon
I got mine when the Hellcat went on the market. Best EDC pistol I have! No OSP red dot just iron sights.
I bought the optic ready Hellcat last November to replace my Kahr PM9 . I like Springfield products have a XD9 , XDM 10mm, all trouble free. I like how it shoots double capacity of the Kahr, a few more then my XD9 . This is my IWB any time I need to conceal carry.
How much did you pay?
I call shinanigans on the hieght from trigger guard to top slide. You said very close but that measure is very important and that difference was HUGE. I could read the words under the trigger guard of the 365 and it was covered with the hellcat.
personally, without going to the range I think you gave an excellent overview of the pistols. Not being at the range allowed you to give a view at how the pistols work and what they sound like. That definitely could not be done at the range
Great review of both; thanks! I'm thinking of buying a P365 with the manual safety.
The top slide serrations on the HC might help those of us who must rack the slide with our hand over the top of the slide. I have small, weaker (female) hands, and I can never rack a slide by gripping it at the back with my fingers. (Although I don't miss top serrations on the guns I have (M&P 9C, Shield 9 2.0, G26, G19, BG380.)
Good to know, thanks!
Great video. I was trying to decide between these two and went with the Sig p365. Cheaper (I got mine for $450 at Cabela’s), the trigger was better in my opinion, better aftermarket support, and had a manual safety (I have glocks and was always just weirded out when appendix carry). I liked how the hellcat felt in the hand better, but the trigger was a bit grainy for my liking (more grainy than my glocks).