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Hellcat Vs P365...The New Era Of Concealed Carry Has Arrived.
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@@Hegshot87 I too appreciate the unbiased review of these guns. These guns represent technology that is very new and exciting; Unbiased reviews are priceless in this market.
$30 replacement grip module on p365 gives you fresh grip stippling.
Straight from sig.
The gun was designed to have a replaceable grip frame without changing the serial numbered part of the gun.
Great way to keep the gun from getting a worn out grip.
detroit hiker and you can use the XL grip on the smaller 365 if you want more grip without having to use and extension and keep the same barrel length if your carrying appendix
I paid $17 for mine.
Or if you want to practice stippling
This is exactly why I went with the P365 over others. Tons of versatility with the grip modules not being serialized. I just wish they had the optics cut on it like they do on the XL.
I have both hellcat and 365 . I absolutely love my hellcat. Its so comfortable in your hand. Especially with the 13 round Magazine. It shoots amazing. Its my favorite carry gun by far. It can handle 10k rounds and show little to no wear. Search hellcat 10,000 rounds.
20,000 Now... They shot Another 10,000 Rounds Through The Same Gun
@@rubeclayton8233 yeah I actually seen that video recently too , that's awesome!!
My 365 is brand new 4/17/2020...400 rounds no issues...sold g43 day I got 365!
I rented both. Hellcat had way more recoil. I didn't enjoy shooting it. I bought the P365 and it may be may favorite pistol of all time. Shoots so well for it's size and has nice capacity. I didn't expect it to live up to the hype but it did. Hellcat is nice pistol but I just love the Sig.
Really? Noticed no difference or very marginal.
It was pretty noticeable to me. I was talking to the shop guy and he said a guy bought a Hellcat without trying it and traded it in next week. I've got probably 1000 rounds through my Sig and I like it even more than I did. It has made me stop looking at other pistols. The only thing that has caught my eye is the XL. I just love it and everyone that shot the Hellcat with me agreed it was more snappy. I loved everything about the Hellcat except how snappy it was which isn't surprising. What is surprising is how nice the Sig shoots. It is my first and only Sig so I'm not some fan boy.
@@scottwalburn6193 my hellcat felt more snappy and "cheap" too. The sig is flawless. The hellcat is obsolete garbage.
Try the CZ P10S
@@Agent-vj3ns really? Garbage?? One of the most popular and reliable EDC gun out there. Wouldn’t say garbage.
I own the Hellcat with OSP. Waited 3 months to get mine. After having my Gun for 2 months. I love my Gun. I am female with petite hands and love the size of the gun. It shoots like a DREAM!
Shot both before buying the Hellcat , just liked it better all around, like the review stated , it’s snappy and definitely took me several mags to get used to it. I actually like the sights on this pistol, however I put a red dot on it anyways. The is my edc pistol and I don’t have any regrets with my purchase. It’s easy to carry, very reliable, and has a cool name
A group of us went shooting at the local range and we rented both the p365 and the hellcat since I was in the market for a new firearm , everyone including myself did not like the hellcat’s recoil , but we all loved the p365 , so I bought the p365 and I’m very happy with it .
P365xl with the Romeo red dot. Perfect ccw.
We have both. To me the pros and cons between the two make it impossible to pick a favorite.
For me it came down to 2 things. The P365 is made in New Hampshire US, Hellcat in Croatia. And the Hellcat had more recoil in my hand. Hellcat was just snappier. The extra round isn't enough to make up for the additional time and lack of accuracy on follow-up shots. I actually liked the Hellcat's sights in brighter light better, but th 3 'lit' dots of the P365 for low and night was better. Yes, like the hellcat mag release button better, but like the serrations better on the Sig. Hellcat trigger safety is nice, but overall trigger pull on sig was smoother and better for me. Sig felt just a little better made as well. So, Sig it was (granted mine is a 2020 model). Never thought anything would replace the Walther PPS M2 LE for me, but either would have, and the sig did.
I'm doing LOTS of research and trying out the various concealed carry guns. I totally enjoyed shooting the P356. I could easily train with that one, no problem. I'm also considering the Walther PPS, but I haven't had the opportunity to take it for a spin, yet. Could you describe the reasons why the Sig replaced your Walther? Also, what features are with the M2 LE? I'm assuming LE means limited edition, so it may not even be available anymore? Any comparisons you can share would be appreciated. Thanks!
@@DonyaLane THe Sig is actually easier to conceal, as it is smaller, overall. That and it has more capacity. That is pretty much it. LE version had/has the Glow in the dark sights on the PPS M2.
@@justmehere6094 , thanks for that reply!
@@DonyaLane NP/ Try the Walther out, then decide. The best gun for yoou, is the one that works best for you, and you shoot the best.
@@justmehere6094 , absolutely true. I have to make sure I want to train with it, also. Anything that hurts my hand will be out. I tried the Glock (that's in the same concealed size... 42? 43?), and within one mag, I was done with it. My hand was already feeling it.
Love my 365! I was actually very pleasantly surprised with the accuracy and smoothness of the gun.
Sig out classes most others, I have the P365, it is a great carry weapon, and shoots really well.
Both are great EDCs. I landed on the hellcat after everything was said and done. Fits better in my grip with the extended mag and not to mention it holds extra rounds at 13+1
And many more reasons I took the hellcat
I've shot both. Took me 3 mags through the Hellcat to figure out that I don't like its sights and the recoil is worse than the 365. I bought the 365.
Matter of personal opinion and choice. Recoil is perceived differently by many shooters. 9mm ammo is not a magnum projectile and most can handle its recoil. They’re both good choices, can’t go wrong with either choice.
I got better with hellcat. But they were soooooo close
It isn't a matter of 'handling' recoil. Recoil affects repeat shot accuracy and speed/ It slows re-acquiring the target, which slows you down. All of this is CRUCIAL in self defense scenarios.
@ben3304 - I bought the P365 before trying out the Hellcat. I then rented the Hellcat and shot it far better than my P365. Then after I hit around 1900 rounds with my P365 it started having ejection issues. Now I really regret not buying the Hellcat. I think I made the wrong choice :(
@@carrerasrivera , So did I, but unfortunately I had already bought the P365 and now it's giving me ejection issues. I think I should have gotten the Hellcat.
I can't tell you how many useless vids I watched comparing the two guns. No option to rent or try b4 buy in my area. If I don't like it, I'm stuck. This was the only video I could find that answered all my questions w/ no BS and I'm officially going with the 365. Thank you. Subscribed.
I have the p365 and P365XL. I`m very happy with both. I`M going to pass on the Hellcat. I will say this. Once you carry a gun this size, it's hard for me to carry any of my mid size guns anymore. I bought a CZ p10s, while it's smaller then my Glock 19, it felt huge after carrying my p365 and p365xl.
Rented both and put 250 through both. P365 was way more snappy in my hands. I had a far better grouping with the Hellcat. Grip angle felt better in the Hellcat. P365 is a good gun, but I chose the hellcat because it felt much more comfortable in my hand and I shot it much better than the p365. Looking to check out the 365XL though!!
Old comment yes but. First comment I've ever read that said the P365 had more recoil than the Hellcat. Like, Ever. Are you sure about that?
@@thelawonguns5217If it fits in his hand a lot better than yeah thats very possible for him to feel like that.
Let’s get shit straight. There is no Hellcat without the 365, and whatever micro compact comes next with the same capacity won’t be either. We can thank Sig and Sig only for this next generation of carry pieces.
_"Let's get shit.straight. There would be no P365, Hellcat, Glock, Beretta 92, P226, or Smith & Wesson M&P without the 1911, and whatever a semi-auto pistol comes next with a detachable magazine won't be either. We can thank John Browning and John Browning only for this next generation of carry pieces"_
Obergruppenführer John Smith Well sure, I mean we can play that game ad nauseam. Browning certainly leveraged existing firearms technology to develop his masterpieces, so maybe we need to credit his fore-bearers as well? Words have meaning, which is why I said “this next generation”, so not 100% sure what you’re getting at. Sig didn’t develop the semi auto pistol lol (which I never said), they figured out how to squeeze and extra 40% of ammo in a given magazine. If you don’t find that impressive you are free to stick to your Glock 43 or six shooter for that matter.
Don't be a diva. Them hellcat sights are excellent 👌 super fast acquisition
I do like the sights on the cat..... but the 365 feels great in my hand
1) CZ P10S 2) Springfield Hellcat 3) P365. I have ample experience with all 3. The 365 has alot of things going for it but there a few sub compacts that I would choose over it
Hey Dildow 😂 . First time gun-owner here. Just bought a p365 and noticed on mine at least, with a full mag I really, and I mean REALLY, gotta jam it in there. Like it makes reloads in a high-stress situation unreliable/impractical. In your experience is this something that will get better with time?
Also, at the muzzle end, there is some room/play between the slide and the grip, like I can kinda wiggle it around, maybe just a millimeter or so. Noticed this doesn’t happen on my friend’s sd9ve. Doesn’t seem right but like I said, I’m new to guns and I’ve spent hours looking online and don’t see any mention of these two issues.
Any thoughts as a seasoned gun owner?
I do like the hellcat and have nothing bad to say about it but I absolutely love my 365 coyote and will have to say I’d choose it over the hellcat the hellcat felt snappier in my hands then the 365
and made in the USA KAG!
I have both and I love the hellcat better and its sights are awesome. I also like the trigger better in the hell cat and so does my wife. She shoots the hellcat better. So I believe its just people's different opinions.
...yep ...gimme the Hellcat.
Good stuff Sig P365 was a huge hit!
Great comparison bout time someone did the p365 and the hellcat
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Went with the hellcat actually had the 365 1st then I handled the hellcat and shot it I fell in love.this is My 1st springfield product and it's my EDC
I compared both at the shop and went with the Sig. The hellcat is too new and doesn't have any upgrades and at the time you couldn't get any magazines. The stippling on the 365 is changeable. The mag release is extendable. And ejects easier after use. I also put a different trigger on mine because I preferred a flat trigger. All upgrades from Armory Craft.
Great video. I didn't like the recoil on the Hellcat and bought a 365. I also have a g43, but the 365 is going to replace it. I find the 365's design allows me to get a better grip from any holster, and that has given me consistently better grip and control. The result is .25 seconds faster draw to an accurate first shot. It also has amazing capacity. AND I was also able to mount a holosun 407 green dot on it. Absolutely amazing little gun. I'm probably going to carry it exclusively.
I own the Hellcat and a P365XL. Both have optics, the SA has a SMSc and the Sig a Romeo Zero. I agree with your review. I shoot the 365XL better than the Hellcat. I found that this was also true with the smaller P365. The trigger is heavy on the HC. If I shoot it first it really emphasizes the difference. That being said the Hellcat is my EDC (I am a lawful CCW permit holder in NV). This is primarily because of size. Both guns fulfill their mission for personal defense. Now that both have optics, i will start to alternate.
I know why the felt recoil is harsher in the Hellcat. I also have both. The P365 XL has more weight at the front of the barrel than the Hellcat mitigating recoil. I can feel the difference. I do like the sights on the Hellcat and will carry both in my rotation.
I’ll take the Sig all day everyday over the Hellcat. My P365XL is my favorite carry gun I’ve ever owned and I’ve owned many. Great videos Hegshot keep up the good work sir
James Massie Any issues with HST or Gold Dot Ammo?
James Massie I haven’t watched the vid yet, just started reading through comments during intro.
I’m just curious, why do you take the p365 all the way?
A Jo I know you didn’t ask me but I’ll let you know why I’d take the 365 over the hellcat. I love the sights way better on the 365. The hellcat feels snappier when shooting then the 365 the hellcat also feels wider and not as comfortable to conceal as the 365 I like the trigger better on the 365 as well but the hellcat is a fine pistol and I would never tell someone they are wrong for choosing it
Daniel Lopez Thanks for the input, I appreciate it. I’m just looking for some honest input/thoughts/feedback on why someone likes the 365 or hellcat more and why. In my opinion from the outside looking in, it truly seems like you don’t make the wrong choice with either gun.
A Jo I dint think so either it’s just preference
Good comparison review. I have a 365 and my issue is the mag release is too flush with the grip and makes it difficult for me to engage (i have stubby thumbs) which is a major issue for me. I handled and shot the Hellcat at my local range and the slight protrusion of the mag release makes a significant difference. Because of that, I have a Hellcat heading my way.
Sig P365 is the most accurate small 9mm I ever shot. Yes the sights are really nice but what makes the gun for me is the trigger. It has a very soft break with no fishtail movement of the front sight. That along with the right ammo makes the recoil very manageable.
I own the P365 and never shot the Hellcat . Every video I've seen of a reviewer shooting both on side view. The Hellcat seems more snappy.
It definitely feels that way
To me they both felt the same in recoil or snappy. But I was able to control the muzzle flip better on the Hellcat and hence I shot it faster with tighter spread.
I couldn't decide so I bought both. SIG SAS is easier to carry IMO. More comfortable really at the appendix position. But overall, I like the Hellcat much better. Sight picture specifically.
We have the same reasoning... Couldn't decide between the Mc9 and the Hellcat so I got both.
I really wanted the sig but after examining both I really liked the feel of the hellcat also the sights on the hellcat are way higher vis and easy to pick up. LOVE THE SIGHTS pretty great to have the extra round aswell
My reaction to both was exactly the opposite. But that is me and you are you.
2020 great times....unless you live in California. ☹
JP JP who would live in that communist state ? Lol
@@semiauto3148 There are a lot of conservatives stuck in California. Family, job, whatever.... It wasn't always like this. I remember pistols for sale in the ace hardware display case and rifles at jcpenney when I was a kid.
JP JP yeah I know...I have a buddy that lives there. But he hates it... I always give him a hard time....just hard to believe what our country is coming too... I mean Bernie Sanders is leading the Democrat ticket..how sad. A socialist is leading I can’t wrap my brain around that
@@semiauto3148 Me neither. What the hell are these idiots thinking? I guess they just want more "free" stuff. I never thought I'd be considering moving.
JP JP yeah. I know it would be hard to do. But I couldn’t live there...they make law abiding citizens into criminals with the wave of a pen... they always said they would destroy America from within and by God they are doing it.
I have shot both the Hellcat and the P365. I prefer the P365 for the ease of shooting and the trigger. My EDC is the P365 over both the Hellcat and the Glock 43x.
From personal experience I found the recoil spring in a new gun can be stiff, giving a stronger recoil feel during the break-in period. After the break-in the gun will be more comfortable to shoot. This may or may not be the case for the hellcat you have here. Can you do a comparison after both guns are well broken in?
Just ordered the P365 before knowing about the Hellcat and wish I would have known beforehand about the Hellcat because that extra round it has over the P365 is tipping the scales for me... May get my hands on a hellcat later on...
I got the Hellcat for the optic mounting ability. Pistol mounted red dots are gonna become the norm in a few years, just like how optics took over on long guns and not many people use irons anymore
Give me irons any day
I watched your 365, MP Shield, Glock 43 comparison as well as this video. Disclaimer, I own a P365 which is my first own. Your grouping with the P365 is by far superior. If I had a choice I would own all of them. Yes, I am an addict! LOL!
...I've watched every other comparison ...then did my own comparison ....I went with the Hellcat.....both good carries ...that said , thx for the video 👍
Please do a versus video between the P365 XL and the G48 with Shield S15 mags! Those are the two guns I'm trying to decide between.
I own both,,, I think the hellcat feels,better in my hand but I like the trigger better on the sig... sights on both are good but prefer HC...at the end of the day i shoot the hellcat better for some reason and that’s the one I’d choose if I could only have one...
I compared both and I put better shot with hellcat. But both are so good (with pinky ext for me)
“I’m sure they did that..I don’t know why they did that”
I have glocks ,I don’t have either of theses but I’ve held both and the sig feels like “quality “in my hand .
I own both I like the sig better maybe once I get a red dot for my hellcat it will change my mind
Hellcat wins for me. I shot both and I felt the Hellcat fits better in my hand. My grouping on the Hellcat was tighter. I like the 13+1 with extension. I think the p365 is nice and would get the job done. Honestly I think people approach both these guns with a clear winner in their head before giving them both a try.
and the 11 round magazine for the hellcat comes with a pinky extension plateras a bonus
With the pinky extender it is just as long as the extended mag. Just a thought....
Hey guys I think I have made my point. There’s no need to carry this on but I have enjoyed chatting with y’all and very glad everyone stayed calm and cool. You’re a great bunch of guys.
Great comparison, thank you!
P365 (XL for me) all day...
All I can say is if you are thinking of buying a Hellcat. Make sure you pull that trigger as much as you can before you buy give it a thorough run through so you know it's safe and works for you. Above all it's a safety issue. I trust my 40 plus years of shooting experience to know there was a problem with mine. If you purchase this gun I hope it is safe and you enjoy it. Also my experience in dealing with Springfield was the worst I've ever had with any firearms manufacturer. Stay Safe.
Magazines seems to be much cheaper for the Hellcat. I've seen them advertised from $20 to $30, whereas the P365 start at $40 and go up. Not a big deal unless you're buying a lot of extras, which I might...
I have multiple sub compact carry guns and was trying to find out which one of these id like to purchase next. Unfortunately I dont know anyone that has either of these pistols for me to try out. Anyways, I love your professional and unbiased opinion. From the shooting footage alone I thought it was obvious Mrs. Hegshot felt much more comfortable with the P365. The only thing stopping me from the definite answer of purchasing the P365 is the optic ready option on the Hellcat. Hmmm so now I hope you have a review on the 365XL haha
The Hellcat is superior in my opinion. I have the Hellcat, shot the 365 enough to know it’s good, just not as good. Plus the OSP option. The XL is only a factor if you want a larger gun.
I have a Hellcat and it is just fine. If SIG comes out with a safe action trigger version of the P365 then I'll probably switch to it.
“Safe action trigger” the only safety thats needed on “any” firearm is your “trigger” finger and food fundamentals of safety. Safeties are overrated and are geared for those that choose to carry a firearm with some level of fear. Keep your finger outside the trigger guard, glued to the pistol locator and you’ll be fine!
@@chgofirefighter I am just fine the way I am thanks. I'm 56 and I've been carrying an EDC pistol ever since I legally could from age 21. Single action cocked and locked, SA/DA revolvers and automatics, DAO revolvers. I have Ruger, Smith & Wesson, Glock, H&K, 2 SIG pistols and now the Springfield Hellcat. Other than the Glock and Hellcat none of my other pistols have any form of external safety on them. I know what I like and works for me in each situation. When I pocket carry and am drawing from a pocket under a stressful situation, I want additional safety of a safe action trigger to lessen the chance of a negligent discharge into my femoral artery. This is known as good common sense, not fear. I only use the Hellcat when I am pocket carrying and it is perfect for that exactly the way it is. So I will stick to my initial statement, if they make a P365 with a safe action trigger then I will get one for pocket carry. If I am not going to pocket carry then I will be carrying one of my other pistols.
Srs Laf All great points. Not to mention the ladies (my wife) who purse-carry.
P365 with the XL grip mod reigns supreme.
Had both...HELLCAT definitely more snappy!...better ergos 365..better trigger!..IMHO
I have owned and shot most of the popular 9 mm concealed weapons and hands down I can shoot more accurately with my Sig P365.
What about the Glock 43X, how does it compare to these pistols?
Better shooter with the longer grip, harder to conceal though for that same reason.
Picking up my hellcat next week i shot one about a month ago and that was it for me i knew right away it was gonna be my next purchase. I wanted to get one sooner but with this pandemic it's difficult to get anything right now
Hey hegshot? Just wanted to comment that it's happened to me plenty when you throw in a magazine and the slide slips forward. I'll be trying to grab a hellcat and see if I like it more. The slide also fails to lock open quite often. My hands are way too small to be riding the slide, too. Thanks for your videos and keep up the good work!
Rented and shot 100 rounds through the Sig and it was surprising how inconsistent this action was.
Half the mag loads required slingshot, half didn't.
I ejected live rounds from sheer muscle memory the first 3 times it happened; wasn't expecting the slide slamming forward from mag insertion.
I have not shot either but have heard the hellcat is snapper and many prefer the p365 for that reason. Cheers!
Cheers brother
Then why do you comment if you’ve not even shot them?
Got the P365 NRA model with the 2-10 rd and 1-12 rd mag and the 12 rd mag makes a world of difference for me on the grip and is only a 1/2 inch longer and it gets you 2 extra shots . Gotta try the 12 rd. mag it just lets your pinky finger get a grip.
I have the P365 SAS and in my opinion its an all around better firearm than the Hellcat.
Very nice closeup photography shots.
I hvae both. I hafto go with the hellcat for my most everyday carry now replacing the 365. They both are the same pricepoint nowadays. 399-419 for both
Is that rust on the sig’s rear sight?
Yes I put a comment in letting everyone know what it was from 👍
Im a big fan of the 365 but not the micro verison I like the XL it shoots much better and a lot less snappy.. far as the Micro 365 vs Hellcat when you were shooting I'd give it to the Hellcat
hegshot...question for you. the trigger and recoil, which you preferred in the P365...how much will things even out when you have equal number or rounds put thru each? i'm just guessing here, but i'd be you have numerous thousands of rounds thru your own personal P365. conversely, wondering if you even have a thousand thru the Hellcat. i don't know...but what happens to the lbs of pressure of the trigger, and the recoil of the main spring once you have equivalent rounds thru the Hellcat? IF the springs/triggers settle in to a well used state, wouldn't the accuracy, and the accuracy of Mrs. Hegshot, improve? interested in your opinion. i'm not going to go out a buy a Sig P365 because i just bought (2) Hellcats. but, i do hope the recoil and trigger pressure improves over a little time, and a bunch of rounds. thanks for the video, sir...
I'm going with the Springfield Armory Hellcat 9mm for my CCW, you can't beat that 11 plus 1 and 13 plus 1 magazines and you have it Optics ready, you really can't beat that set up at all 🇺🇸 👍
The Hellcat OSP cost more than the regular Hellcat.
Except Magguts makes a kit that allows you to fit 12 rounds in the factory flush mag, without increasing the length of the grip at all. Regardless of that fact, both the SA and the Sig are outstanding choices for CCW 👍
love my P 365 shoots great and for it's size is accurate as all hell.
The Sig Sauer P365 is a very sweet firearm, I spent my money on it. I left the Heckcat at the gun shop, I just don't care for Springfield products. This is just my opinion. Thank you for the Great review. Always helpful.
Its funny how when the 365 first came out a lot of people on YT were kind of hating on it because of the issues with the firing pin dragging on the primers & breaking, MAC went through 3 different 365’s and had issues with all of them, he also showed that they have redesigned the firing pin 3 different times, maybe its all resolved, now lots of people are loving it, i also read that the recoil spring rate on the Hellcat is a bit harder because Springfield was testing the Hellcat to 20,000 rounds durability standards, so maybe why the difference in perceived felt recoil, I notice it a little bit but not enough to make a significant difference, also i find the trigger on the Sig a tad lighter but also a bit mushy compared the Hellcat’s more definitive wall & crisper break, I prefer the latter for a concealed self defense firearm, they are both great innovative pistols, I choose the Hellcat, also if you put the ref dot on it you can co-wittiness your sights where as the Sig XL is the only one available with the ability to put an optic & you loose the rear sight, they are all nice & glad there are so many choices available, we are truly living in the golden age of firearms, thanks to you & your wife for the great content you all put out.
Im a big fan of U shaped sights...Its a wider view and allows me to line up & pick up on the front sight faster I like the Ameriglo ones
All guns slide forward when loading a magazine if you hit them hard enough...its not a malfunction and its actually my preference cuz i know that my mag is in and it allowas me to take my shot faster
There’s some nice features on the Hellcat and I wanted to buy one till I tested the trigger safety issue myself at two different gun shops. If you put any sideways pressure on the trigger prior to depressing the trigger safety tab it will not fire , it locks up the trigger. Not an issue if your on the range and in perfect conditions and you grip the gun right and depress the trigger straight on. But that’s not what the gun is for, in an emergency if you don’t grab and press the trigger just right and it locks up then what? I tried to duplicate this issue on several other of my guns with trigger safety’s and non of them lock up. Something to consider before you buy one.
totally - i almost bought one despite reading videos on this - went to the range and shot a family members after literally the FIRST SHOT the way I squeeze trigger - it locked up just like the person the video showed that was doing it intentionally except I wasn't trying at all - IM shocked they were able to get this by research and development - they will either recall this gun soon or it will be getting MUCH heavier bad publicity VERY SOON!
fun fact... I have never had my hellcat “lock up” or have an “issue” with the trigger not pulling no matter where or what angle you pull the trigger from. I have had that problem with my Fn 509 and S&W shield 9mm.. guess it is a user problem not a problem w the gun
@@prollychiefin6470 fun fact...there are multiple RUclips videos on the Hellcat trigger issue and ways to fix it oh and by the way since this was over a year ago Springfield has already addressed the issue. But thanks for sharing your superior expertise in firearms...
Rented them both and shot them side by side. I went in wanting to buy the Hellcat and left with the Sig P365. The recoil on the Sig is soft and not bad at all. The Hellcat recoil was like the Glock 43. Unpleasant. I could feel the recoil sting from the web of my hand down to the palm.
Everyone knows that 365 Sig is a pistol for girls with way to soft trigger.
I hope this P365 will usher in more pistols with "regular" triggers. Visually, I can't stand the looks of the hinged triggers and safety triggers.
Yeah man I just got a 365..... and the trigger is great.... I didn't like the way it felt in the store dry firing it......but once I threw some live rounds through it..... it felt great good reset and crisp
I see a lot of you on here that like one better than the other. One day I hope to own both but for now one of these 2 will be my first firearm and EDC once I have completed the proper training classes and get my LTC a little later on.
I'll take the Hellcat since it's so far been reliable, can't say the same for the P365 with all it's unreliable history and the many failures I've had with many P365 pistols almost 1 year of testing them. People complain about how snappy the Hellcat is compared to the P365, I'm use to firing big caliber pistols so to me the Hellcat feels like a soft micro, and it's is easier to shoot better and faster than the P365. Come on people, it's a 9mm for god's sake, not a .357 Sig, lol!
I wish a gun this small was in 357 sig. And I hope hellcat comes out with a long slide.
@@aubrey5569 - I think the Hellcat will soon release in different calibers, if so, the .40 s&w and 357 Sig would be awesome. A longer slide Hellcat in 357 Sig does sound very tempting.
What capacity magazines are available for the hell cat do they make 12 & 17 round mags like they have for the P365 ?
I think I would like the Hellcat sights. I really like the stock Glock sight picture and it’s what I learned to shoot with and these are very similar.
What a great f*cking review/comparison... Thank you for this!
I bought the Hellcat.
Owen Johnson - I buying the optics ready version tomorrow.
Matt McDonald that's what I bought as well.
Owen Johnson - Can I ask why the optics ready version and not the one with the optic on there already?
Here my personal reason, it’s a ton of money. And if I don’t like the Hellcat I can sell it and get the P365SAS which is the same price. So no money loss. If I do love the Hellcat, then I’ll add the optic. Plus, I haven’t seen any Kydex IWB holsters for the Hellcat with the optic on it. Not saying there isn’t one, I just haven’t seen it. So waiting until people offer one will fit the timeline for adding the optic. It would suck to spend 700+ on a new EDC and not be able to use because there no holsters for it.
Honestly, I’m really tossed between the P365SAS and the Hellcat. Been on RUclips a lot lately watching everything I can about both guns, including comparison videos like this one. I love the idea of an optic on a pistol. (My full size P320 has Romeo 1 on it and its bad ass!) With the Hellcat, I can add it later. Yes, the 1 extra round is a plus, but not the main deciding factor between the two guns. The optic is. I’m hoping I love this little sucker so I can add the optic and then love it even more.
Excited to go to more capacity, a 9mm and an overall smaller gun over my current EDC, which is a Glock 27.
Plus or any birthday present. 😉
Matt McDonald check out vedderholsters, I just ordered one from them for my hellcat and yes they do have an option for select red dot sight or not. So the holsters are available for the optics already. Also love my hellcat and wouldn’t go to the p365 over it honestly. P365 is a decent fun but Springfield added so much more with the grip and the extra round and such. Also I don’t mind the sights that are on it I shoot it perfectly fine and honestly love the sights. Hope you enjoy yours.
Ubstanker 5457 - Thanks. I’ll absolutely check them out.
Surprised the hell out of me that the 42 and 43 both have polymer magazines (with thick walled polymer). Was the first time Glock didn't have to worry about mag compatibility, so it wouldn't have been a problem to make them out of steel (having thin walls like the majority of steel magazines). Would have easily increased capacity to 8+1, maybe even 9+1. Then of course, like the P365 and Hellcat, a slight few modifications could have given them 10+1 or 11+1 (with a few mods and/or a slight increase in thickness).
Great video as always. I'm watching it again since viewing it last year. I bought the P365 before the Hellcat was introduced. I would have had a hard time deciding if both were available then.
Really like the hellcat, but just a bit too small for my taste. If they make a compact or even a sub-compact i’ll buy two but I just can’t with these micro guns. Sig did a wonderful thing by making an XL version of the P365. I’ll wait and see if Springfield does similar with the Hellcat?
how do the G43 and PPS M2 compare to these 2 guns?? as far as trigger, recoil and fun to shoot
I ccw the Springfield Armory XD40 sub compact and it's a great handgun. Have XDm 40 3.8, P229 40SW, P320 Carry 40SW and just picked up the P365. Going to put the 365 through the paces and decided if it'll become my new edc/ccw.
The two brand firearms I own are Springfield & SIG, they're my brands. That said, I haven't had an interest in a Springfield in a while.. I don't care much for single stack, not enough for a XDs but I sure plan to add a P938 to my collection. As for the Grip Zone guns after the XDm I just didn't care for fiber optic sights and the gaudy text all over the frame/slide. The Hell Cat i feel it's about the same as the Grip Zone guns.. and I just don't get that need it feeling. Again, love my XD40SC and have argued many a Glock fanboys over aesthetics, engineering designs, etc.
I've been carrying the same gun for about a year (XD40 mod2). Love that little gun. It's not my favorite gun overall though - that would be my CZ P10c but the XD subcompact is an EXCELLENT gun.
I have the XD SC in 9mm and it is an all around excellent pistol. I live in a warm weather state and it might be nice to have something smaller and lighter to lug around all day wearing shorts and a t shirt. Saw the Hellcat at a gun show and it did feel pretty good in my large hands which I found surprising.
6 and 1/2 dozen...both are quality
I literally looked at both models today. I think if I had to pick I’d end up with the P365xl.
I agree that is what I did. For me the XL was the better choice.
I bought my Tolster OATH because a video here. Is the best for my P365XL
Haven't bought yet. I have shot the 365. I do like the trigger better on the hellcat and the 365s do have reliability issues. I'm really leaning towards the hellcat. Plus that 10,000 round test with only 4 FTF (I have had glocks do that with less ammo through them.)
I have watched many reviews on RUclips I've shot them both I choose the p365 better sights and better trigger both are great and very close but the Hellcat's rear sight is only visible in daytime the sig is more visible at night but the sig is less visible daytime I feel the sig is better for me so that's why I bought it and if you want a red dot look at the sig p365x if you have to have a red dot then the Hellcat is better because it co-witnesses the iron sights from the factory the sig replaces the rear sight with a notch red dots are good for longer range but the iron sights are better at close range you don't have to look for the dot I hoped this helped you out.
Like the video but bought the hellcat I really like it and I like the sights np yet 500 rounds in and you are right Tulster holsters are amazing that you
Get ON with it!
I couldn't get comfortable with either. It was mostly the thinness and the tiny slide release. I have rather big hands. I bought the hellcat, played around with it for about a week and just never felt comfortable with it. I returned it and got a bigger springfield xd9 mod 2 with the 13 and 15 round mags. It has the thicker grip and the "grip zone" which is a bit cheesy but really comfortable. Obviously for concealment, the sig and hellcat are better. But I MUST be comfortable with a gun before committing to using it in a stressful situation. I was an MP for 12 years and comfort is huge. I take mine home and before I ever fire a round through it, I break it down and put it back together a lot just for the feel. But I think the sig and hell are good guns for their obvious purpose.
I love owning both of them:)
That is not so. There are 2 mags that come standard one is 11 rounds and the other is 13 rounds. Both are in the original box. Springfield advertises the Hellcat as coming standard with 13 plus 1. Why are you so stubborn about this. Please do your research. This is why I said that you are prejudice against the Hellcat.
Tom Weil hellcat has 11 flush and P365 10 flush. If you’re taking all the mags into account 365 has 15 which is 2 more than the hellcat 13
Supermike the p365 doesn’t have a 15 round mag standard the p365xl might but not the p365