Massad Ayoob should be America's ONLY firearms instructor. No political bullshit. No fake tough guy bullshit. Just a knowledgeable human being giving out technical information.
@@JacobC479 or they try to act like they’ve done and seen shit that they really haven’t done were they trying to go to high-speed operator with it to be like I’m tactical and I’m cool no you’re a fucking douche bag I would much rather take a pistol class from an actual veteran who knows what they’re talking about has actually been down range and etc. etc. but yeah it’s freaking annoying and that’s why Masada and Colion noir are good people to go to for info
I often carry my S&W Shield in the appendix position. It's easy to conceal and very comfortable. That being said there really is an issue with what the muzzle is pointing at. I am an ER nurse. I had a patient that got into a fistfight, drew his pistol from the appendix position and his opponent fled. Upon re-holstering he experienced an unintended discharge that shot off that all important appendage. BTW, alcohol was probably involved. He survived, but he wasn't happy. He actually said to me, "Hey, doc, if you can't save it, don't save me!" From that day forward I never re-holster my gun with the holster inside my waistband. I always remove it, holster my gun, and then tuck the holster back in. Just another life lesson I will never forget!
You have to be able to DRAW fast. Take your time reholstering. Adrenaline is a hell of a ride. Protect the bits and take the time to be safe unless you're trying to swap from gun to cuffs or something. But for ME, if someone asks how much caution would I use to avoid shooting my d*ck off? The answer is: "all of it"
I think this man is a fantastic pistol shot, however, I respect him so much because he never mentions it nor does he have tons of videos showing it. His videos are always geared toward helping us.
Very educational video. I love the fact that Massad explains the advantages and disadvantages of each position. I definitely have the utmost respect for this man.
"The gun is pointed at the genitalia...the medical results could be absolutely catastrophic." Uh, yeah... that's one way of putting it. Seriously, Massad is one of the absolute best. Much appreciated.
Probably because Mas (and ill bet the other guys on your list) are not really youtubers. They're old school top notch pros who happen to make youtube videos now. That's my guess. ;)
Most people I know in the CCW world know of Massad and consider him the gold standard. Hearing the humility in the story with Spencer only deepened my respect for this man.
It was a great story to help make his point. He didn’t win the competition but there is no person I know of I’d rather have defending me or my loved ones in a gun fight. He is the gold standard!
For vast majority of my 68 years in life and well over 40 of them I have ridden a Leg-breaker (a phrase my dad was fond of calling the motorcycles he raced and built when I was young) 24/7/265 in Houston, Texas. As a NRA certified instructor and one of the early Texas CHL instructors I also tried many different modes of concealed carry and the only 2 viable options were shoulder holster and IWB cross-draw so for most of my life, save for long winter road-trips, IWB cross-draw became my preferred method of concealed carry. It allowed daily work concealment, and placed my Detonics Combat Master handgun infront of my body where the muzzle never crossed my left leg while sitting astride my scoot and I never needed to worry about Houston potholes bouncing my Combat Masters down the road behind me, as was possible with the 3:30 IWB option. I am now retired and while I have also retired the Combat Masters in favor of either the Glock 26 or 19, both lighter with more capacity, I have never retired the IWB cross-draw method, for as Massad notes, that muscle memory thing is hard to retrain and my first priority was to never to carry a handgun pointing at any part of my body, especially my junk, 'cus although I don't use it quite as often I do still find great joy in using it when I can, YMMV. Great video, IMHO.
This man the most logical instructor I have seen. He has very well thought out opinions and articulates them perfectly. He is definitely very real world.
I'm 68 and have been carrying either open or concealed since I was 20. I carry either OWB or IWB, and regardless, my preference has always been at the 4:00 position, give or take :30. I slightly prefer OWB, but not by much. Both a good holster (Milt Sparks, for example) and a good belt (Kore is my latest goto) make a world of difference and like Mas says, are essential.
Massad, I was just thinking as the video started, it's great to be able to hear you talk directly and often. As a child of the 70's to 80's, I would occasionally get an article which you had written, or a few interviews. Your intentional focus on facts and not just opinions had an absolute influence on my thinking. As for me, daily carry, I'm a 1-2:00 snub .357 revolver carrier, IWB, in a no longer sold, skeletonized carrier. Works well, and even can jog in "pants" with it. Here in N East, the sweatshirt and a light winter coat makes it completely not visible to the world. Draw might suffer a little, but availability will not. I like my pistols, but the revolver melts into my wardrobe. Don't mess with old men....
Wayne Hendrix, I am curious as to what is a "skeletonized carrier", I am very new to firearms. I couldn't find an image of one when I googled it. Thank you in advanced.
@@rogerbello4649 Roger, thankfully I got an alert to this message, or I might have never seen the question. By skeletonized, I mean to say molded plastic, with no outer sheath, plastic, leather, or otherwise. It has a lower rod that goes into the barrel, and a frame that goes up along the outside of the firearm, along the trigger guard etc, and captures the frame. There is also a spring steel belt clip on the outside. Original name was "caretaker quick draw", but I only found one, and I think there was no production after 1999. Great part is that is weighs ounces, and supports well for appendix carry. You'll just need a callous on your appendix to carry it. :)
Very, very informative. I'm a Police officer and I have been carrying out side waistband, off duty for over thirty years and It works for me. I only have to buy larger shirts and jackets. I have tried other methods and always came back to the OWB carry. 👮♂️
Great presentation! I was a private investigator for 20 years in Colorado. I always had a ccw and still carry since I retired in 2015. I was pulled over one morning in the mountains, around 4:00am. I was headed to a surveillance case and was running late, ended up speeding 30 over the posted limit. A state trooper pulled me over. I worked with law enforcement agencies during my carrier and was well versed on patrol procedures. I turned off my engine, rolled “all” my tinted windows down, had both hands on the steering wheel, with all my docs, license and ccw in my left hand. He approached, asked me if I knew why he pulled me over. I said, “When I saw your lights I looked at my speedometer, I saw I was doing 86.” He was already looking at my licenses and then my ccw. He stopped, looked up, and I remember, he looked surprised, he said, “I appreciate your honesty. I had you at 85.” He asked if I had my weapon on me I told him I did, on my right hip (xd 45). He asked me what I did for a living I told him. He handed me back my ccw and asked if there was anything bad on my driving record. I said no sir. He told me to “sit tight”. Then, after 20 of the longest minutes, I was sure he was waiting for backup. he came back. Handed me all my docs and license. I was very relieved and grateful. He said, “you know, if I wrote this up, you were going to jail, $1000 fine and we’re impounding your vehicle?” I sad yes, I had been worried that’s what was going to happen. He said, “If not for your honesty, I don’t care what you do for a living, you were going to jail. I can’t remember the last time someone was this honest with me on a traffic stop.” I thanked him again, with a lot of sincerity, told him to be safe. I drove the speed limit the rest of the way. By the way, being late didn’t matter, that case was a big success that day.
Gonna be honest, anyone who's done it will tell you aside from concealabilty and comfort, it's probably one of the worst ways to carry besides small of the back. It's an awkward, obvious motion to draw and I'd only recommend drawing from an already advantageous position. The main upside being it's so much more comfortable while sitting out driving because the 90 degree angle of the frame matches your hips and legs.
I'll do it with my back up, but only if it's a revolver. It's great for IWB accessible to both hands. You'll never get a Quicksdraw McGraw trophy for it though. Try a shoulder holster, very much the same trying to draw off hand, and very much the same strong hand. It's viable though. That you do it is what matters most. I'm going to c/p myself. Maybe all in one shot... I don't wear any holster IWB, OWB in any position that I cannot clear my garment with the draw hand alone. My off hand has the duty of GTFOM with knife if need be to give me TIME, distance is time, them reacting to pain is time, I'll take whatever time I can get. Back up is always either hand accessible. The Gravest Extreme clarified my thoughts on redundancy in how you fight, you have two arms and two hands, one set may go down, have to be ready to use the other. SERPA's either at 3- or 6+ for that reason. Back-up (or church carry) is most often 6 - 7 (especially when I'm using the SERPA it's at 7 and SERPA's 0300 - 0230). Thumb's always out, bird finger and heel of thumb can begin formation of grip. Start slow, and get the foundation of your muscle memory, with the ring finger pulling your grip into the base of your palm. It's like a roll in,. Yes you can fire with index, bird, and only heel of thumb from the hip with your forearm creased by the base of the slide and I don't recommend it. Still it works 1911 or Glock, pushing forward! before the next shot. No matter how you choose to carry, muscle memory is paramount on your draw. Unload your pistol, and do it. Over and over. Don't like the position for your holster, change it. Don't like your carry holster, change it. Your life may depend on this. Do it over and over, no f' ups. Hopefully it will never come to your life depending on how you carry. You can be very sure that your confidence in yourself will matter even if you never have to draw. Many things in life will hinge on how you carry yourself, have confidence in the "push comes to shove" you'll shove and they won't like it. It's stopped others in my life without laying a hand on what I was about to shove with. They saw they were about to stop by my demeanor, so they did before it was made so. Constant carry means you must be ready to constantly deploy then employ. We have to practice both. Keep calm and carry on. Oh, hit if need be. Still all this is just me, I'm only alive by grace of God even if constant carry for over 3 decades, it's still by Him. I almost completely f'd up a few times, so it was Him. YEEEE!!! Worked I wore a 686 for years in a shoulder holster, and could draw with either hand. Slow though, very freakin slow, either hand. 6" brrl is always slow, still both eyes open you'll hit even at chest height. Dang, just realized I forgot to say "thumbs out" always. Meh, not going back to edit it.
I've always favored the IWB cross draw at the 1-2 o'clock position as I'm a lefty with a few of my guns. I also, have two shoulder rigs for them as well. Being a lefty does have it's problems though, I'm training with my right hand, also. It would be nice for Mas to do a video on cross draw and or with a lefty in mind. I also, carry in the 9 o'clock forward can't depending upon how I'm dressed. I have to add that I'm not a cop or a street fighter, just an avg. citizen.
You mentioned threat profile, or threat assessment. I pocket carry in summer and OWB hip carry in winter. In S. Texas, it is hot 9 months. I suspect folks all across the South go through the same heat. You cannot wear a jacket much. I am mostly in work pants or shorts and t-shirts. It limits gun size as well. Thank God for the micro pistols. With my work, appendix carry just cannot work, period. Too much bending, crawling, general movement. IWB? The same thing. I tried it. Just miserable. Each person must find what best works for their body type, their work, their daily wardrobe, climate, AND what is the threat where you are? I'm lucky in that I only worry about how I carry when I come to town. (I live on a ranch). That said, the gun size goes down. I carry a G19 at the ranch in a thumb break OWB holster and two mag pouches, and a work knife on the belt. With all the illegal entrants constantly popping up everywhere down here, I am armed at all times. My ranch truck has an AR and a 590A1 12ga. I also roll with body armor, radio comms, first aid bag, 2 gallons of extra water in the truck as well. It is getting very weird out here.
Greetings Mas, great presentation. You may not remember but you interviewed me for a 2016 article, “Out of Ammo” in American Handgunner. I was a detective in ‘74 when I was forced to engage armed robbery suspects w/my issued Colt Detective Special, carried under a suit jacket @ the 4 o’clock position. Everything you say here is spot on. Stay well . . .
Joining the NYPD in 1984, it was time to chose your off duty handgun, the NYPD only authorized 38 cal revolvers, I had the option of either purchasing the SW Police Chief or the Colt Detective Special. The Chief was going for $125 (which was purchased by 90% of the rookies) and the Colt DS was going for $350. I asked the range instructor what was the difference between the SW Chief and Colt Detective Special, and he said the Chief chambered 5 rounds, while the Colt DS chambered 6 rounds, and that one bullet may save your life… so I carried the Colt DS my whole career… even when we went to 9mm, (Glock 19 (ugh) or Sig P226 ) I still carried my Colt DS. When I would go for annual qualifications, the range instructor would inspect the handguns, and when he saw my Colt DS, he was in awe, they always complimented the Colt DS, even today…I keep it clean and rarely shoot it at the range, the Colt DS is a classy original police equipment. They are rare handguns to have nowadays.
@@tchin2020 My first off-duty gun was a Colt Cobra purchased new for $85 in 1968 & I still have it. Not carried any longer but it does go to the range a few times a year.
Did you feel out gunned with only having a 38 special at the time, similar to the Miami Dade shooting? Thank you for your service! I know its a thankless job!
One of the best videos I’ve ever seen dealing with use of force was done by massad in the 80’s. I was barely born and he was dishing out knowledge most of my instructors at the sheriffs office don’t know. I am so thankful for his videos and they make me a safer more knowledgeable deputy so thank you.
I too am in a wheelchair because of spinal deterioration and nerve damage running across my lower back. I have worked on a rig that connects my chair and my holsters to the front of the chair. A towel hides the rig and the weapons. It works pretty good.
I'm old, fat and set in my ways. I only carry my full size Beretta or G17 in a outside the waistband hip holster. Thanks for being my go to training expert for all of my adult life.
@@nk-dw2hm There's always one of those dicks, aren't there? Why don't you start a channel for fitness tips for 72 year old disabled American Veterans like me? What motivates people like you? I'm ashamed of people that talk, oh wait, pontificate. like you.
@@williamhoppe4500 While insensitive, he did make a valid observation (which he probably wouldn't have made had he known you were in your 70s, unless he is a total jackass). Thanks for your service from a fellow veteran.
@@williamhoppe4500 don't take it so personal my friend. I'm overweight myself and I'm only 44. I have a few health issues that prohibit me from working out so I just watch what I eat. I am learning how to carry inside the waist band at 4:00 because I already look wide, outside the waistband would make me look like a mack truck.
@@williamhoppe4500 I wonder if he will have any "advise" for me on my post. Being a disabled Vet confined to a power scooter, I'm sure he thinks I am just "lazy" and should get out of it and exercise..................
I carry at 4-4:30 and have for 25 years-for the same reasons as Mas.I don’t want to learn a new way to do something I’m reflexive at,and I am still a Trooper so for me,it works.I have always carried in Mitch Rosen Gunleather because of your recommendation,and with his belt and mag pouch.It has been perfect,and I have converted many young Troopers to buying his gear,because it’s the best.My ARG,named after you-is and always will be my go to.
@TJ Then you are not confident with the weapon system which tells me you need training.Once you are trained,you’ll have full confidence in the fact that a Glock WILL NOT FIRE unless you pull the trigger.This is a training issue.Get some good quality training and trigger time and you find that the Glock is absolutely the safest weapon you can carry-there are three internal safeties,and I have seen these weapons abused and dropped and covered in sand and seawater and they always function.I was in a elite unit in the military and when we switched to Glock from highly customized Browning Hi-Powers,I swore I’d never carry a Glock.I learned that they were just far superior to anything else we had access to.After leaving the military and getting on with SP,I already brought that unbelievable amount of training and combat experience with me,so training is the key.Good luck.
@@mwileyy112492 when Wilson Combat started making and selling PCC rifles it was introduced as a division in IDPA. Now that Wilson makes and sells an appendix holster I would imagine under the 2022 rule book for IDPA we will see an appendix carry option. Do you think Joyce will apologize for the scathing message she sent last year to the match director that allowed appendix carry at his match? I doubt it…
You're right about those wider clips and loops for comfort. I make holsters for a living and the number of people who don't listen to me on that is surprising. Most of my customers want a single clip holster. Which is very versatile and can be comfortable with a lighter gun as well as the right belt. But the wider double loop/clip holsters are far more comfortable and stable in my experience.
On skinny dudes with small waists, the holster with 2 loops are often too much leather and kydex to stuff in the waist band. End up having pointy corners in the waist line around the hip. I can use a sticky holster no clips with a Glock 43 in the waist band and it will stay there all day.
This guy is nothing short of phenomenal. And I am proud to say that he hails from my home state of New Hampshire. Maybe he wasn't born here but he put a lot of time in here in the Live Free Or Die state. God bless this man.
I carry a shield 2.0, and xds mod 2, 4" barrel appendix. I use the higher capacity magazine for each. It is the most effective concealment position for me, and I do not fear it.
Everybody says it as the default thing to do, but finding what works for you also extends to whether or not you should go up a pant size and add 2 in to the waist. For the longest time I did that and I never questioned it and just lived with the fitment issues and figured that's how carrying IWB is. I have a 32 waist and I have always worn 34 pants since I started carrying like a decade ago. A couple days ago I bought a pair of 32 pants and tried it because I was having hip pain with a stiffened belt, and it is solved every problem I've had with this over the years. The pants are tight enough that they can support the weight of the gun and the holster on their own, and now the only thing the belt is doing is providing placement, rotational, and draw retention. I am able to have my belt tight enough to do that, but loose enough that it's not hurting my hips. Also, my undershirt is not constantly pulling itself out of the waistband of my boxers anymore And my boxes are not riding up on the side where my holster is. For years and years, all throughout the day I would have to stop what I was doing and adjust my boxers and undershirt and get everything back in place, only for it to come undone again inevitably. I think my coworkers have just accepted that I'm a weirdo. I've been carrying IWB strong side at 4:00 for 2 days now with my regular pant size, 32, not added two inches in the waist, and I haven't had to do that a single time. Everything just works flawlessly and more comfortably and everything stays exactly where I put it when I left in the morning. The only thing adding 2 inches did was create enough slack in the regular waist band of my pants, that the belt needed to take up that slack and it created so many problems just from that one thing that i never questioned, just because I have never heard anyone else question it. Everyone says it as if it is default true no matter what. I assume it probably does work for the vast majority of people and that's why everyone says it's a good idea, but definitely doesn't work for everyone. It didn't work for me. It's never has.
Mr Ayoob, I have been following and digesting your knowledge since at least the 80’s when I was a kid reading gun rags. You are a treasure and appreciated more than I can express. Peace.
I have more decades than I care to admit to carrying OWB. It has always worked for me and see no need to change at this point. The only other method I have used has been a crossdraw holster while seated driving for hours at a time. Same as the methods Mas talks about above, a quality crossdraw holster matched to a sturdy gunbelt makes this method work for people that need to have a pistol on their person while seated.
I too carry crossdraw OWB only. Mine is a Smith & Wesson M & P Shield in .40 caliber. I don’t like IWB at all. Why .40 caliber? I wanted something with some knock down power. .45 is better but Smith & Wesson didn’t offer that caliber in an M &P Shield. There’s nothing better than a .45, unless it’s a .357 magnum. I have a belt & holster with a six shooter I acquired when I was considering cowboy action shooting, but I would feel somewhat inhabited to wear that instead.
Thanks Mr Ayoob for your continued instruction. I have followed you since the days of the “Lethal Force Institute”. I too am a retired LEO and I agree with the habitual carry on the strong side 3:00 from duty wear. I transitioned to AIWB years ago off duty and haven’t gone back. I typically carry a CZ P-01 but sometimes in warmer months I will carry a Kahr PM 45 for better concealment. I feel much more comfortable with the CZ since it has an external hammer but the long double action only pull of the Kahr is also reassuring. I really cannot understand all these GLOCK junkies that carry AIWB. Glocks do exactly what they are designed to which is fire when trigger is pulled. I have seen many ND on You Tube video’s and most, if not all of the discharges happen with someone carrying a Glock AIWB. You can’t fix stupid, or educate it. Thank you
Outstanding video! As a retired law enforcement professional, I started caring appendix and have decided to go back to the 3:30 position after watching this great video. Thank you for your great clarification.
@@Valorius Because it's the most comfortable IWB option, because I trust my pistol not to go off on it's own, because it allows for the fastest possible draw, because it's the easiest position to defend in hand-to-hand, and because it's the easiest position to holster safely. I can't easily look at a holster at the 4:00 but I can very easily look straight down and make sure there's nothing in the holster. It's a great option.
@@Doc41295 For my money 4 oclock IWB is vastly more comfortable than AIWB. AIWB is a torturous mode of carry. Who said anything about the gun going off by itself? Things get in holsters. T-shirts, drawstrings, or whatever else. There is certainly plenty of videos of foreign objects causing NDs. And if that happens while you AIWB, you're fked but good. It is definitely NOT the easiest to draw or holster safely. It is in fact the most hazardous way to draw and holster. Dont believe me? Sit down in your car....now draw or reholster without muzzling yourself. Oh right, impossible. Completely 100% impossible. You WILL muzzle yourself every single time you draw or reholster while seated. If watching 1000s of real gunfight videos on ASP and other channels has taught me anything, it's that speed of draw is darned near totally irrelevant in actual citizen involved gunfights. It's about "waiting your turn" to launch your counter ambush (or pre-empting the bad guys draw). People who try to speed draw into guns almost always get totally wrecked for their troubles. As far as speed, here is a short 12 sec vid of me drawing one handed from 4 o clock, at night, with my flashlight between my teeth and my phone recording in my right hand, and putting 4 shots on a spinner, with first shot on target in about 1 second: ruclips.net/video/AvGs8kWkSbo/видео.html And none of this is even getting into the fact that in a struggle the opponent is going to try to push that gun right back into your belly/groin as you draw, where, again, if it goes off, that round is going right into your family jewels or femoral artery....and it will be presented front and center for him in a ground grappling scenario as well. Just ask George Zimmerman. I want my body between my gun and any bad guy, as it is 4 o clock. AIWB is definitively and demonstrably the least safe option, by far. Not even close.
@@Doc41295 I think, based on decades of professional concealed carry, that AIWB is as close to a retarded thing as an intelligent man can do. I would outline my reasons, but the other guy that responded to you was pretty darned thorough, and there's not much to add.
@@Doc41295 BTW, there is a video of an AIWB glock apparently going off on it's own AFTER a guy has properly reholstered his pistol, who then bends down to pick up his range bag. Best part is after he shoots himself in the balls he totally disregards the safety of everyone else present and rips out the gun and throws it on the ground. I'm sure right up until the very second that glock went BOOM he would've argued at great length on youtube about how he is totally competent, and how his gun will never just go off, and how AIWB is totally safe. Don't be that guy.
thank you so much I am 61 and brand new to caring and the only comfortable place. I’ve been able to find is at 4 o’clock but I have felt like I was doing something wrong or missing out because I just can’t be comfortable with AIWB. Now I know I just have to train and get good with the 4 o’clock position.
Thanks, Mas. Been following you for years. I carry a 1911 commander on my right hip w 2 wilson spares on my left rear hip using only Galco Conceable holster. That is my habituation for over 20 yrs and used to carry a full size 1911 that way. I cannot use an appendix carry due to extreme discomfort from a hernia surgery. I experimented w a Galco Miami Classic shoulder rig which I use, exclusively for hunting, as it was cumbersome and harder to conceal. I wear a Galco field belt that I have worn everday for 8 yrs and still going strong.
This is the first video I've watched with him. This is great! I love the way he teaches and talks to you and not at you. Funny too. Thank you so much for posting!
Thanks so much Mr. Mas for the (always) informative vid. I typically carry a small 9 or .45 at about 4:30. I really like what Mas said, as I have said it to anyone will listen for years..."Concealed means concealed!" Don't want to wander too far from the topic though. I can NOT make myself carry APPENDIX IWB, it just ain'ta gonna happen. I know, I know bunches of y'all carry that way (safely, so far) every day. But I have tried every totable size handgun I own, in multiple IWB holsters, from El Cheapo to Primo and just can not get over the fact that my loaded powerhouse, defensive miracle of tech is pointed squarely at my junk and/or femoral artery! Jeff Cooper has got to be spinning fast right now, as you all know AIWB violates #2 of Col. Cooper's codified commandments. I mean, sure my boy is not really the most important thing in the world now (as he was 45 years ago). But he doesn't deserve THAT, he doesn't deserve to be shot just because we don't go on adventurous escapades bringing joy and satisfaction everywhere any longer! No. I just will not do it to him. So, I'll keep experimenting with wild new carry positions, sometimes varying from my usual 4:30 to 4:15 or 4:45 even, but no thanks at all for AIWB.
I'm experimenting with appendix carry after a lifetime of OWB / law enforcement carry. In retirement I'm limiting the pistols I carry that manner to small frame; Ruger LCP2 .380, Springfield XDs 9mm single stack 3" and sometimes as a backup with a Bond Arms 9mm derringer. I'm trying to deal with where the muzzle is pointed, but with my body type I have excellent concealment and comfort. The test goes on.
Massas Ayoob…Consistently thorough, articulate, & humorous (albeit dry). 👊🏽 One of the only instructors, that I watch & listen to the videos, in its entirety. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Really appreciate you guys.I'm old and need a lot of Training. Arthritis is a part of my life and I hope and pray I never have to shoot someone ever again.Just trying to be safe.Your right about extra fat around your body. Finding a good hoister is almost next to impossible with a gun they Don't make anymore.I own a Ruger P 90 no safeties on gun.But numerous hoister companies don't seem to carry a mold for it and can't make me a hoister. I only have owb boister made by Acua Mold which is great as it holds its shape so its easy to hoister minus the thump stap which is good to. The other hoister is a cheap leather one with no restraining device but have to loosen the belt to put gun back in.What about shoulder hoisters for me.Bra hoisters for my wife or purse hoisters which I think are unsafe if the criminal grabs your purse.What about thigh hoisters for women wearing dresses? As you have said and Mr Wilson Apedex carry is faster.I think I would have to go to a less than. 4 1/2 " barrel to make apedex carry work for me in tho owb would be really fast. I trust you guys judgment and a few others I occasionally listen to.My wife is into fashion and carry in her purse.Trying to give her greater options to carry and ability to protect when I'm gone.Got USCCA membership and insurance.Printing is a concern with me also as I always carry and a few times have to put my gun and extra magizines in the car because not allowed to carry into some place.Every bit of advice us appreciated so in case I every have to shoot someone again.I'm a former Marine of the Vietnam and spent 21 months there.
I just came across this excellent video and I appreciate the pros and cons of each type of carry. I have a good friend who swears by the AIWB carry but my military and law enforcement training is too ingrained for me to allow my weapon muzzle to sweep across and or point at anything that I am not willing to shoot, kill, or destroy. As scary as drawing from AIWB is, it’s exponentially more so when I think about re-holstering said weapon. Then factor in the adrenaline rush and the loss of fine motor skills during and immediately after a serious social encounter; no thanks! Great video! Well done sir!
You are the most remarkable man to explain things so difficult and making them so understandable! I have subscribed to hear more and more and more of what you have to tell us. Thank you - much appreciated…
When not “pocket carrying” or “belly band carrying” (weather and clothing) an old strong side shoulder injury and being in a vehicle motivated me to carry a Centennial-frame S&W J-frame snubby in an OWB cross-draw holster (Filson belt and Bianchi holster) at about 9:30 or if requirements mean a little larger handgun, a Bianchi X15 shoulder holster. Have carried this way since 1975 except for when in uniform (military) in the field. One real benefit to the cross draw is that if approached by a threat from the rear, a simple draw and shoot through the jacket is possible. (That works startlingly well!! 😉. ) Thanks for a FANTASTIC video!!!
Mas, I would appreciate your comments on a carry technique I've used for 30 years. It's a modified cross draw with an IWB holster at about the 9:30 position, with the muzzle at a 30° rearward angle, which brings the grip down and rests on or just above the belt. I've carried 4.25 inch 1911s and smaller, g23, and most recently a Sig 365 in this position very comfortably. The muzzle whether standing or sitting points just past the soft tissue of my left hip, to the floor. At no time does it flag my femoral artery or other important structures. Advantages: muzzle does not point at your, or anybody else's vitals. Just as quick as appendix without as much broadcasting your move. The draw is very subtle whether seen from the front, side or rear...there is no wild swinging or hiking of elbows as with the other carry modes. Your hand merely reaches just across midline at nearly a horizontal movement, like you're grabbing your belt buckle. Most people wouldn't recognize this movement as a draw, until the gun is out, which could give you an extra second or two. It is a very good position to draw from sitting in a car...you could pull and shoot through the door or window of your car in a carjacking situation, and the perpetrator would not even see the move...once again, imagine grabbing your belt buckle while sitting in your car. Unless you have a very large spare tire, printing is minimal, on the order of appendix carry. Unlike 3:30 or 6:00 carry, being disarmed from behind is impossible.
I'm not Mas, but that's interesting, I like the sitting aspects. However I could think of two downsides. 1. It's easy to block your draw, as your arm is across your body anyone(thing) in front of you needs only press against your arm or body to prevent your draw. 2. It's a rather large movement and thus slower to get muzzle to target.
This is very close to how I carry and for many of the same reasons. I carry a 3 inch 7 shot revolver. I'm thin but have a belly. The gun lies in a " cavity" that is created between my hip and gut. Depending on clothing I alternate between inside and outside the waistband in nearly the same position I feel it gives me most of the advantages of appendix but safer, more comfortable sitting and driving. One advantage to carrying towards the front is fidgit factor. When carrying behind the hip you never know if your shirt has shifted and your printing ect with the gun in the front you can just glance at your shoes and be reassured about printing. It sounds like your gun is more canted than mine but otherwise very similar. It's a method so rarely talked about that you 🤔 why? I would love to see Massad's thoughts on this as well.
@@snek9353 The butt of the gun sits about 2" to the left of my belt buckle, in fact if it's a larger gun, I have to slide my buckle to the right a inch or two to keep it from rubbing on the finish of the gun. So it's not really a long draw...it's just like grabbing your belt buckle. Maybe I should have called it 10 o'clock. The gun sits diagonally with the muzzle in front of your left hip and the butt rests on your belt just to the left (as you look down) of your buckle. While I agree someone could grab your arm and stop your draw, it would be very similar to appendix in that regard. 3-6 o'clock carries have vulnerabilities from the rear that appendix and this carry do not however. Seems rather easier to avoid a block in front of you than a sneak attack from behind.
@@TheSilverbullet99 Yes, similar, though more up front and more horizontal than you usually see in cowboy movies. Watch the shootout between Doc Holliday (Val Kilmer) and Jonny Ringo in Tombstone...similar to how Holliday is carrying, only slightly more horizontal.
Mas, as always…thank you for your insights and professionalism. I continue to learn from you with each episode. God Bless you for taking the time to educate us!
@@gowilsoncombat Mas and Hackathorn are national treasures to the shooting community. Thanks for giving them a platform. Now if we could just get Gun Jesus on here!
Very good video! I may try IWB 5 o’clock again with my fullsize. My daily carry is AIWB as I find it is the most comfortable and workable option for me. One piece of advice which wasn’t mentioned in the video is when holstering a loaded gun in AIWB, remove the holster from your body and then insert the gun into the holster. Then just tuck in the holster and you are safer in this process. The concern is your garments falling into the holster and catching the trigger when inserting the gun. I would not want to holster a loaded semi with no safety and a round in the chamber without using this method. A bit more cumbersome in practice at the range but will prevent that nightmare accidental discharge scenario you mention. Great video!
Appendix carry it was my first and probably will be what I always use for concealed carry. Normally I carry a Sigsauer 232, or a Russian Makarov. On days I feel the threat is higher, A full size Glock 17. Thank you for the good knowledgeable advice. A good thing to note is that some guns are much safer than others for appendix carry.
It’s always better to buy quality leather something kind of slim if you’re going inside the waistband with a metal clip I would look around on eBay typically holsters that fit the Walther PP fit the 232 good, same with bursa thunder.
I have been carrying for years and after trial and error I figured out that the best carry position for my tiny butt is about the 2 o'clock using an iwb hybrid holster. At one point I tried appendix and it was awful. The holster dug into my legs, the way the holster set no matter how I adjusted it the waist band of my pants and my belt got in the way when drawing the pistol and even with a claw to push the grip in towards my body the grip was still sticking out extremely far. The grip was honestly sticking out like two inches or more so there was no concealing it. However at the 2 o'clock the grip kind of follows along with my body shape even though it does print because of how skinny I am. But most people do not notice. It also has the added benefit of being very comfortable and even carrying a full size 1911 I almost forget that I have it on my hip. I have to give credit where credit is due and say that part of that is thanks to my rigger's belt. A good belt makes a big difference!
love your videos! I've been carrying AWIB everyday for 2 years working construction and it works amazing for me. from bending over all day to hand grind concrete to driving a semi truck all day. AWIB has worked great for everything I have to do and I never expose my carry pistol. thanks for the insight brother.
You're allowed to carry at work? I'm an electrician, and here you'd be fired on just about any job site, and possibly have cops called by one of the companies involved. Even if my boss allowed it, basically every GC would freak out.
@@Salty_Balls haha yeah we don’t do commercial stuff but it’s just me and my dad so yeah he is okay with me carrying. Residential curb cutting for driveway approaches and stuff. Parts of slc are to sketchy to not be packing.
@@Valorius Let me guess, you work in an office. Real men do this thing called labor, and it typically involves bending, stretching, crawling, standing on ladders. All perfect opportunities for clothing to pull above belts, hang away from the body, and fully expose your belt line. We all see much more of each other then we ever want. Wanna say anything else uninformed and stupid?
@@Salty_Balls This is where I'm from: ruclips.net/video/cOBoDT-3oM0/видео.html Ex infantry, 20 years as a self employed private investigator. 30 years total concealed carry experience. 20 of it professionally.
I’ve been taught gun safety from many questionable people. Every once in a while, someone like this comes along and you just know that he has the experience, and knows what he is talking about. Someone with nothing to prove. It is nice to see this humble, intelligent, calm, knowledgeable person explaining this stuff.
Another great video and overview. I can totally relate to the habituation element. As a former LEO, I’m definitely habituated to OWB carry even off-duty and now as a private citizen. The only other thing I’d add is the benefit of well made paddle holsters that allow easier removal of the holster rather than having to unthread from the belt.
You certainly naturally blade away from people as well, important for y'all's gangster styles (behind 3 or 9) My gun has never gone off when I didn't want it to, I can draw at least 3 times faster this way, I have better concealment and it is already instinctual to protect that area of your body
I carry owb 3:30. I, lately (and in the past), have been trying owb cross draw. I'm older with nature's gut and cross draw seems to work well for me. I'm always open to new & better draws. Thank you, Maas, for all your experience & sharing it with us.
Oh yeah, by the way, I carry a Baretta 92G Centurion (can be heavy at times). It seems I can't miss using this pistol but I recently bought a CZ P-01 Omega & the feel in my hand is so close to my 92G, I hope I shoot it as well.
I agree. And not only is cross draw comfortable, but you can draw from sitting a LOT easier than strong side. ...and most of us today are sitting a lot more than we are standing, whether in a car or truck, at a restaurant, at work, etc.
I love these videos. This guy is not only a wealth of great personal protection info, he is a model for public speaking expertise! I would listen to him speak on any topic, SUPERB
Pretty nice and informative video. Something I would mention for the appendix carry position is that with a decent "sweat shield" it can help push some of the larger users "tactical shelf" so slipping your thumb behind the grip is easier.
One problem with your hosters, when out and about/travel and you have to sit down in the bathroom somewhere your gun in on the floor!!! The BodyGuard belly Band that is hard to find online. but can be found at some gun shows. It has a holster for two guns on both sides with two pockets for clips for each. The reason called Bodyguard is there are two other pockets for a radio and handcuffs BUT each will hold three clips each. I just rap each clip pocket with clear packing tape. Not worried for the extra gun so a carry of a big Glock 45 cal you will have two clips on each side and six clips in the added pockets. You put on backwards and velcro on then move around with gun to your right. Yes one size larger pants BUT even with shorts and a t-shirt no one will know you are carrying. I have been carrying mine this way since the early 90's. I was military now ex and learned the criminals are scared and most times have followers with them, you need the extra clips. Police carry two clips, Hey they wear a lot of extra stuff. Lastly if you carry you need body armor and there now is under shirt styles that have soft armor but you can slide metal plate in front of the soft. Yes a little heavy but better with a bruise/ broken ribs than a lot of fragments from hollow point. Also learn to shoot low, there are two main arteries in the groin and even a .22 cal will cause death, even the bad guys wear armor - think think plan and be ready!!
I like AIWB a lot, and only because I have a kydex holster made specifically for my CCW that covers the trigger guard completely. And it’s double action. No printing.
havent heard much discussion about bio-breaks and vehicles. a Con for AIWB is it's quite difficult to take a leak compared to other methods. AIWB is a plus when riding in vehicles as the seat belt does not interfere and the shirt can be tucked so the firearm is accessible from the seated position even faster.
When I carry appendix IWB, I carry a DOA H&K P30SK LEM in a kydex holster made for it. Works great for me. Otherwise I'm carrying IWB at 4oclock with a CZ 75 D or the Jericho 941.
Talking about iwb holsters, I would like to recommend the alien line of holsters. My edc is an iwi Masada, that is a pretty big gun, I can carry that all day and am not uncomfortable. It has all the features which Masad recommends and holds the weapon very securely without printing.I am 6’2 at 185 so that does make a difference. I have tried aiwd and find it very uncomfortable even with the wife’s Bersa 380. I find the 3:30 position best overall. Mara is absolutely right about the belt you use. I own 2 very good leather gun belts and am looking for a third just for added variety. Masad, you are one of my favorite gun educators please keep up the great videos you produce.
I did 4:30 IWB for several years and recently started AIWB, which is far superior, imho. Being able to look down to double-check printing and the speed of the draw is invaluable. That said, I carry hammer-down DASA now specifically to avoid the possibility of a fatal ND and for peace of mind. The only way I'd even consider carrying a striker AIWB is with a safety, and that would take more retraining than I care to invest.
How does the hammer make it safer? The protection for the trigger is the same for apendix and 3:00 and when practiced it does not aim at you during a draw. You can not draw when leaned forward which is when it’s potentially aimed at you. The aiwb shown in this video is also way to high. It’s faster for competition but larger guys and most looking for better concealment go below the abdomen. A long barrel will rest on leg with a pad behind it so it’s actually about 10 degrees infront of your leg. I can easily squat and lunge with a full size p320. I did work with a trainer when I started but the ability to draw from weird positions is valuable to me. Try laying flat on the ground and drawing or have your hands In front of you to stop an attack and then go to draw. Spencer Keepers has some awesome videos of you want to learn the right way Good luck and stay safe out there.
I LOVE your videos, and never miss a single word you say. You knowledge, experience, and articulation, is much appreciated! I am a 70 year old guy.. I'm 6'-2" and a pretty good sized mid section. I carry a Walther PDP compact, in a Blackhawk leather single belt loop 'inside the pants' holster. It is actually a holster for a Springfield XDS... and because I'm a Luthier and musical instrument repair tech going on 50 years now, I can work most materials pretty well. Although I'm no leathersmith, I relieved the stitching and trimmed the leather a little for the PDP. It fits amazingly well. I'm left handed, and carry at my 9 O'clock, just ahead of my hip bone. It does not print. The retention is excellent, and reholstering, is no problem. The draw is fine. I just need to practice. And practice more after that.
I've been carrying appendix for years. For me it's just got so many benefits. I find it more comfortable and more concealable. I don't have to worry about someone grabbing my gun from behind. If the gun is uncomfortable I can easily bump it without anyone thimking much about it. It could be very dangerous though, but it's not hard to confirm reholstering because it's in front of you.
I don't wear any holster IWB, OWB in any position that I cannot clear my garment with the draw hand alone. My off hand has the duty of GTFOM with knife if need be to give me TIME, distance is time, them reacting to pain is time, I'll take whatever time I can get. Back up is always either hand accessible. The Gravest Extreme clarified my thoughts on redundancy in how you fight, you have two arms and two hands, one set may go down, have to be ready to use the other. SERPA's either at 3- or 6+ for that reason. Back-up (or church carry) is most often 6 - 7 (especially when I'm using the SERPA it's at 7 and SERPA's 0300 - 0230). Thumb's always out, bird finger and heel of thumb can begin formation of grip. Start slow, and get the foundation of your muscle memory, with the ring finger pulling your grip into the base of your palm. It's like a roll in,. Yes you can fire with index, bird, and only heel of thumb from the hip with your forearm creased by the base of the slide and I don't recommend it. Still it works 1911 or Glock, pushing forward! before the next shot. No matter how you choose to carry, muscle memory is paramount on your draw. Unload your pistol, and do it. Over and over. Don't like the position for your holster, change it. Don't like your carry holster, change it. Your life may depend on this. Do it over and over, no f' ups. Hopefully it will never come to your life depending on how you carry. You can be very sure that your confidence in yourself will matter even if you never have to draw. Many things in life will hinge on how you carry yourself, have confidence in the "push comes to shove" you'll shove and they won't like it. It's stopped others in my life without laying a hand on what I was about to shove with. They saw they were about to stop by my demeanor, so they did before it was made so. Constant carry means you must be ready to constantly deploy then employ. We have to practice both. Keep calm and carry on. Oh, hit if need be. Still all this is just me, I'm only alive by grace of God even if constant carry for over 3 decades, it's still by Him. I almost completely f'd up a few times, so it was Him.
This video made me rethink my carry position. I find AIWB extremely comfortable, but it takes a lot for concealment on my body. Wedge and claw absolutely critical on my body type. I’m now training from 3:30, and I can easily conceal without adding to a plain kydex holster. I also like the safety factor, and my personal threat profile is not very high. As it happens, I will likely use both, depending on a number of personal lifestyle choices.
Great presentation, well explained. I would love to see his suggestions for us wheel chair bound vets. There does not seem to be anything out there except shoulder holsters.
I find that carrying iwb at about 2:30 with a forward cant works best for me, I find it prevents any irritation on the hip and also prevents printing from behind. I use the "y" but sweep from behind, I find it clears whatever garment I'm wearing and places my hand in the proper position to draw. There are some great points raised in this video, manditory info for those who carry.
Thanks Mas, enjoyed your MAG20 class some years back. I might consider AIWB for one reason - nobody is likely to bump into you in the front and get startled by a weapon being there, as might happen with positions between 3 and 6 o'clock. A 1911 feels different than an iPhone.
"Alternatively, you could diet and lose 2 inches, but this is America and I don't ask the ridiculous or the impossible." This man is a treasure.
🤣🤣😂😂
For sure! 😆 🤣
Said it monotone with a completely sttaight face 😁
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Hell of a head of hair as well 🤔
Massad Ayoob should be America's ONLY firearms instructor.
No political bullshit. No fake tough guy bullshit. Just a knowledgeable human being giving out technical information.
Exactly. Way too many gun people are super political and have a certain attitude that is just off putting.
Agreed, Massad doesn’t need to wear his younger brother’s t shirts to look cool. Man’s a legend.
I wish all gun enthusiasts were like him.
@@JacobC479 or they try to act like they’ve done and seen shit that they really haven’t done were they trying to go to high-speed operator with it to be like I’m tactical and I’m cool no you’re a fucking douche bag I would much rather take a pistol class from an actual veteran who knows what they’re talking about has actually been down range and etc. etc. but yeah it’s freaking annoying and that’s why Masada and Colion noir are good people to go to for info
@@JacobC479 Yup. I don’t need to hear their religious sermonizing, or about how abortion is murder, etc.
I'm starting to re-watch Ayoob just for his dry sense of humor. Great commentary as always. Thank you Sir.
He didn't get much water as a kid
He rivals Clint Smith with his dry humor. Must be that generation. Lovin' it.
Dry humor is my favorite humor
His joke about losing 2 inches in the waist got me to chuckle out loud. Almost woke up the wife. 🤣
He reminds me of Lt. Kenda.
I often carry my S&W Shield in the appendix position. It's easy to conceal and very comfortable. That being said there really is an issue with what the muzzle is pointing at. I am an ER nurse. I had a patient that got into a fistfight, drew his pistol from the appendix position and his opponent fled. Upon re-holstering he experienced an unintended discharge that shot off that all important appendage. BTW, alcohol was probably involved. He survived, but he wasn't happy. He actually said to me, "Hey, doc, if you can't save it, don't save me!" From that day forward I never re-holster my gun with the holster inside my waistband. I always remove it, holster my gun, and then tuck the holster back in. Just another life lesson I will never forget!
Every man’s greatest fear whilst carrying appendix
“If you cant save it, dont save me”😂😭
You have to be able to DRAW fast.
Take your time reholstering. Adrenaline is a hell of a ride. Protect the bits and take the time to be safe unless you're trying to swap from gun to cuffs or something.
But for ME, if someone asks how much caution would I use to avoid shooting my d*ck off? The answer is: "all of it"
Very wise advice. Good smart habits can save us from very costly mistakes. I will remember your post. Thanks.
It could happen to a woman too
Lip clip!
I absolutely love hearing this guy talk. “You could diet, but this is America, I don’t ask the ridiculous of the impossible”
Do you bulge when you hear is baritone?
@@donkeypox1943 That's cringe. Next, I can hear you say, "it's rubs the lotion on its skin"
@@pwalms65 "Come on Man" you gots to raw dogg it!
I think this man is a fantastic pistol shot, however, I respect him so much because he never mentions it nor does he have tons of videos showing it. His videos are always geared toward helping us.
With his steely swagger, you just know his targeting skills are tops.
@@Lavo68 Some of his championships can be found on line. If Ken Hackathorn says Ayoob is a good shot, he is.
Very educational video. I love the fact that Massad explains the advantages and disadvantages of each position. I definitely have the utmost respect for this man.
@Mitch If you Get a chance to take one of his Classes they're great.
@@anthonyboatright6960 update oon
he needs to take that rug off of his head, that's for sure!👨🦲
You need to get brains which is more difficult to achieve!
Me too..
"The gun is pointed at the genitalia...the medical results could be absolutely catastrophic." Uh, yeah... that's one way of putting it. Seriously, Massad is one of the absolute best. Much appreciated.
There's not a lot of RUclipsrs that I will listen to on firearms advice. This fellow is one of about 5.
We're all waiting with baited breath for you to grace us with your complete list.
@@johnqpublic2718 pro tip: stop being a jackass.
Probably because Mas (and ill bet the other guys on your list) are not really youtubers. They're old school top notch pros who happen to make youtube videos now. That's my guess. ;)
@@johnqpublic2718 Mas, Paul Harrell, and Lenny Magill is my complete list.
@@rigel2112 Don't forget Mas's old buddy Ken Hackathorn. (He also makes vids for Wilson combat).
Most people I know in the CCW world know of Massad and consider him the gold standard. Hearing the humility in the story with Spencer only deepened my respect for this man.
It was a great story to help make his point. He didn’t win the competition but there is no person I know of I’d rather have defending me or my loved ones in a gun fight. He is the gold standard!
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For vast majority of my 68 years in life and well over 40 of them I have ridden a Leg-breaker (a phrase my dad was fond of calling the motorcycles he raced and built when I was young) 24/7/265 in Houston, Texas. As a NRA certified instructor and one of the early Texas CHL instructors I also tried many different modes of concealed carry and the only 2 viable options were shoulder holster and IWB cross-draw so for most of my life, save for long winter road-trips, IWB cross-draw became my preferred method of concealed carry. It allowed daily work concealment, and placed my Detonics Combat Master handgun infront of my body where the muzzle never crossed my left leg while sitting astride my scoot and I never needed to worry about Houston potholes bouncing my Combat Masters down the road behind me, as was possible with the 3:30 IWB option. I am now retired and while I have also retired the Combat Masters in favor of either the Glock 26 or 19, both lighter with more capacity, I have never retired the IWB cross-draw method, for as Massad notes, that muscle memory thing is hard to retrain and my first priority was to never to carry a handgun pointing at any part of my body, especially my junk, 'cus although I don't use it quite as often I do still find great joy in using it when I can, YMMV. Great video, IMHO.
Interesting that he doesn't mention those two alternative carry positions, I suppose because they are less popular.
Ayoob does have a shoulder holster video.@@jeffcj
This man the most logical instructor I have seen. He has very well thought out opinions and articulates them perfectly. He is definitely very real world.
I'm 68 and have been carrying either open or concealed since I was 20. I carry either OWB or IWB, and regardless, my preference has always been at the 4:00 position, give or take :30. I slightly prefer OWB, but not by much. Both a good holster (Milt Sparks, for example) and a good belt (Kore is my latest goto) make a world of difference and like Mas says, are essential.
I agree.
Love my KORE belt
Kore belt wearer here too. Great belts.
What kore belt models you have?
What's your opinion of Vedder holsters?
Or the Urban Carry Lockleather hybrid.
Massad, I was just thinking as the video started, it's great to be able to hear you talk directly and often. As a child of the 70's to 80's, I would occasionally get an article which you had written, or a few interviews. Your intentional focus on facts and not just opinions had an absolute influence on my thinking.
As for me, daily carry, I'm a 1-2:00 snub .357 revolver carrier, IWB, in a no longer sold, skeletonized carrier. Works well, and even can jog in "pants" with it. Here in N East, the sweatshirt and a light winter coat makes it completely not visible to the world. Draw might suffer a little, but availability will not. I like my pistols, but the revolver melts into my wardrobe. Don't mess with old men....
Wayne Hendrix, I am curious as to what is a "skeletonized carrier", I am very new to firearms. I couldn't find an image of one when I googled it. Thank you in advanced.
@@rogerbello4649 Roger, thankfully I got an alert to this message, or I might have never seen the question. By skeletonized, I mean to say molded plastic, with no outer sheath, plastic, leather, or otherwise.
It has a lower rod that goes into the barrel, and a frame that goes up along the outside of the firearm, along the trigger guard etc, and captures the frame. There is also a spring steel belt clip on the outside.
Original name was "caretaker quick draw", but I only found one, and I think there was no production after 1999.
Great part is that is weighs ounces, and supports well for appendix carry. You'll just need a callous on your appendix to carry it. :)
Old women either! One on my belt extra in my bag or jacket. Swimming at the lake it's in the trunk of the car. I'm in a constitutional carry state .😊
Very, very informative. I'm a Police officer and I have been carrying out side waistband, off duty for over thirty years and It works for me. I only have to buy larger shirts and jackets. I have tried other methods and always came back to the OWB carry. 👮♂️
Retired now, but on the job I always carried OWB off duty. Still do today. (J-frame in an ankle holster works too.)
I prefer OWB as well (retired LEO). But where I live, wearing a jacket is rare...so I wear IWB most of the time to avoid exposure.
I tried iwb and prefer owb for comfort and better access in my opinion. I wear loose clothing to conceal and it works for me.
You are an officer and taking advice from youtube? Union a hole.
@Jonny Henke That makes you a rare Panter.
When Massad speaks, I LISTEN! Lots of respect for the man. He provides valuable real world experience in his commentary.
Completely agree 💯
Great presentation! I was a private investigator for 20 years in Colorado. I always had a ccw and still carry since I retired in 2015. I was pulled over one morning in the mountains, around 4:00am. I was headed to a surveillance case and was running late, ended up speeding 30 over the posted limit. A state trooper pulled me over. I worked with law enforcement agencies during my carrier and was well versed on patrol procedures. I turned off my engine, rolled “all” my tinted windows down, had both hands on the steering wheel, with all my docs, license and ccw in my left hand. He approached, asked me if I knew why he pulled me over. I said, “When I saw your lights I looked at my speedometer, I saw I was doing 86.” He was already looking at my licenses and then my ccw. He stopped, looked up, and I remember, he looked surprised, he said, “I appreciate your honesty. I had you at 85.” He asked if I had my weapon on me I told him I did, on my right hip (xd 45). He asked me what I did for a living I told him. He handed me back my ccw and asked if there was anything bad on my driving record. I said no sir. He told me to “sit tight”. Then, after 20 of the longest minutes, I was sure he was waiting for backup. he came back. Handed me all my docs and license. I was very relieved and grateful. He said, “you know, if I wrote this up, you were going to jail, $1000 fine and we’re impounding your vehicle?” I sad yes, I had been worried that’s what was going to happen. He said, “If not for your honesty, I don’t care what you do for a living, you were going to jail. I can’t remember the last time someone was this honest with me on a traffic stop.” I thanked him again, with a lot of sincerity, told him to be safe. I drove the speed limit the rest of the way. By the way, being late didn’t matter, that case was a big success that day.
Usually it doesn’t pay to be that honest yet when you get caught why not. Especially after watching do not talk to the police.
James Duane’s book you have the right to remain innocent
@@DW133_ I’m happy it was boring. The best interaction with cops when they pull you over is “boring” 😊 Thanks for the reply
Says a lot about Colorado. I went 40 over and the cop reduced it down. Glad I don't live in that cesspool that Colorado has become.
Radar detectors anyone?
This man has forgotten more than most people will ever learn! Thank you Wilson Combat for this series.
Mas is so great at clarifying things. It's easy to follow his clear, logical speaking. I wish that he might do a video on crossdraw holster carry.
Gonna be honest, anyone who's done it will tell you aside from concealabilty and comfort, it's probably one of the worst ways to carry besides small of the back. It's an awkward, obvious motion to draw and I'd only recommend drawing from an already advantageous position. The main upside being it's so much more comfortable while sitting out driving because the 90 degree angle of the frame matches your hips and legs.
I'll do it with my back up, but only if it's a revolver. It's great for IWB accessible to both hands. You'll never get a Quicksdraw McGraw trophy for it though.
Try a shoulder holster, very much the same trying to draw off hand, and very much the same strong hand. It's viable though. That you do it is what matters most. I'm going to c/p myself.
Maybe all in one shot...
I don't wear any holster IWB, OWB in any position that I cannot clear my garment with the draw hand alone. My off hand has the duty of GTFOM with knife if need be to give me TIME, distance is time, them reacting to pain is time, I'll take whatever time I can get. Back up is always either hand accessible. The Gravest Extreme clarified my thoughts on redundancy in how you fight, you have two arms and two hands, one set may go down, have to be ready to use the other. SERPA's either at 3- or 6+ for that reason. Back-up (or church carry) is most often 6 - 7 (especially when I'm using the SERPA it's at 7 and SERPA's 0300 - 0230). Thumb's always out, bird finger and heel of thumb can begin formation of grip. Start slow, and get the foundation of your muscle memory, with the ring finger pulling your grip into the base of your palm. It's like a roll in,. Yes you can fire with index, bird, and only heel of thumb from the hip with your forearm creased by the base of the slide and I don't recommend it. Still it works 1911 or Glock, pushing forward! before the next shot.
No matter how you choose to carry, muscle memory is paramount on your draw. Unload your pistol, and do it. Over and over. Don't like the position for your holster, change it. Don't like your carry holster, change it. Your life may depend on this. Do it over and over, no f' ups. Hopefully it will never come to your life depending on how you carry. You can be very sure that your confidence in yourself will matter even if you never have to draw. Many things in life will hinge on how you carry yourself, have confidence in the "push comes to shove" you'll shove and they won't like it. It's stopped others in my life without laying a hand on what I was about to shove with. They saw they were about to stop by my demeanor, so they did before it was made so. Constant carry means you must be ready to constantly deploy then employ. We have to practice both.
Keep calm and carry on. Oh, hit if need be. Still all this is just me, I'm only alive by grace of God even if constant carry for over 3 decades, it's still by Him. I almost completely f'd up a few times, so it was Him.
YEEEE!!! Worked
I wore a 686 for years in a shoulder holster, and could draw with either hand. Slow though, very freakin slow, either hand. 6" brrl is always slow, still both eyes open you'll hit even at chest height. Dang, just realized I forgot to say "thumbs out" always. Meh, not going back to edit it.
I've always favored the IWB cross draw at the 1-2 o'clock position as I'm a lefty with a few of my guns. I also, have two shoulder rigs for them as well. Being a lefty does have it's problems though, I'm training with my right hand, also. It would be nice for Mas to do a video on cross draw and or with a lefty in mind. I also, carry in the 9 o'clock forward can't depending upon how I'm dressed. I have to add that I'm not a cop or a street fighter, just an avg. citizen.
Nice rant
He DOES do one it's called masaad ayoob shoulder holster right here on youtube..
Every time I listen to Massad, I learn something. Sometimes several things.
You mentioned threat profile, or threat assessment. I pocket carry in summer and OWB hip carry in winter. In S. Texas, it is hot 9 months. I suspect folks all across the South go through the same heat. You cannot wear a jacket much. I am mostly in work pants or shorts and t-shirts. It limits gun size as well. Thank God for the micro pistols. With my work, appendix carry just cannot work, period. Too much bending, crawling, general movement. IWB? The same thing. I tried it. Just miserable. Each person must find what best works for their body type, their work, their daily wardrobe, climate, AND what is the threat where you are? I'm lucky in that I only worry about how I carry when I come to town. (I live on a ranch). That said, the gun size goes down. I carry a G19 at the ranch in a thumb break OWB holster and two mag pouches, and a work knife on the belt. With all the illegal entrants constantly popping up everywhere down here, I am armed at all times. My ranch truck has an AR and a 590A1 12ga. I also roll with body armor, radio comms, first aid bag, 2 gallons of extra water in the truck as well. It is getting very weird out here.
Stay safe, it sounds like you are well prepared. I'm sorry you have to deal with all that.
Thank Biden and his party
Don’t forget your first aid kit and the good book. GL bud.
wicked sense of humor. glad to see he’s still kicking ass. been reading his articles for 20 years.
Greetings Mas, great presentation. You may not remember but you interviewed me for a 2016 article, “Out of Ammo” in American Handgunner. I was a detective in ‘74 when I was forced to engage armed robbery suspects w/my issued Colt Detective Special, carried under a suit jacket @ the 4 o’clock position. Everything you say here is spot on. Stay well . . .
Glad to see you're still breathing.
Joining the NYPD in 1984, it was time to chose your off duty handgun, the NYPD only authorized 38 cal revolvers, I had the option of either purchasing the SW Police Chief or the Colt Detective Special. The Chief was going for $125 (which was purchased by 90% of the rookies) and the Colt DS was going for $350. I asked the range instructor what was the difference between the SW Chief and Colt Detective Special, and he said the Chief chambered 5 rounds, while the Colt DS chambered 6 rounds, and that one bullet may save your life… so I carried the Colt DS my whole career… even when we went to 9mm, (Glock 19 (ugh) or Sig P226 ) I still carried my Colt DS. When I would go for annual qualifications, the range instructor would inspect the handguns, and when he saw my Colt DS, he was in awe, they always complimented the Colt DS, even today…I keep it clean and rarely shoot it at the range, the Colt DS is a classy original police equipment. They are rare handguns to have nowadays.
@@tchin2020 My first off-duty gun was a Colt Cobra purchased new for $85 in 1968 & I still have it. Not carried any longer but it does go to the range a few times a year.
Did you feel out gunned with only having a 38 special at the time, similar to the Miami Dade shooting? Thank you for your service! I know its a thankless job!
@@tchin2020 I have my grandfathers Detective Special, it’s probably the only gun I own that would never ever ever sell
One of the best videos I’ve ever seen dealing with use of force was done by massad in the 80’s. I was barely born and he was dishing out knowledge most of my instructors at the sheriffs office don’t know. I am so thankful for his videos and they make me a safer more knowledgeable deputy so thank you.
I too am in a wheelchair because of spinal deterioration and nerve damage running across my lower back. I have worked on a rig that connects my chair and my holsters to the front of the chair. A towel hides the rig and the weapons. It works pretty good.
Handi-capable of defending yourself
Very nice
Massads got that golden voice!
I'm old, fat and set in my ways. I only carry my full size Beretta or G17 in a outside the waistband hip holster. Thanks for being my go to training expert for all of my adult life.
You are far more likely to die from being overweight than from an armed conflict, hope everyone is willing to invest a few minutes into themselves
@@nk-dw2hm There's always one of those dicks, aren't there? Why don't you start a channel for fitness tips for 72 year old disabled American Veterans like me? What motivates people like you? I'm ashamed of people that talk, oh wait, pontificate. like you.
@@williamhoppe4500 While insensitive, he did make a valid observation (which he probably wouldn't have made had he known you were in your 70s, unless he is a total jackass). Thanks for your service from a fellow veteran.
@@williamhoppe4500 don't take it so personal my friend. I'm overweight myself and I'm only 44. I have a few health issues that prohibit me from working out so I just watch what I eat. I am learning how to carry inside the waist band at 4:00 because I already look wide, outside the waistband would make me look like a mack truck.
@@williamhoppe4500 I wonder if he will have any "advise" for me on my post. Being a disabled Vet confined to a power scooter, I'm sure he thinks I am just "lazy" and should get out of it and exercise..................
This dude is one of the top baritones in Arkansas. That much I can assure you. 💯
I carry at 4-4:30 and have for 25 years-for the same reasons as Mas.I don’t want to learn a new way to do something I’m reflexive at,and I am still a Trooper so for me,it works.I have always carried in Mitch Rosen Gunleather because of your recommendation,and with his belt and mag pouch.It has been perfect,and I have converted many young Troopers to buying his gear,because it’s the best.My ARG,named after you-is and always will be my go to.
@TJ Then you are not confident with the weapon system which tells me you need training.Once you are trained,you’ll have full confidence in the fact that a Glock WILL NOT FIRE unless you pull the trigger.This is a training issue.Get some good quality training and trigger time and you find that the Glock is absolutely the safest weapon you can carry-there are three internal safeties,and I have seen these weapons abused and dropped and covered in sand and seawater and they always function.I was in a elite unit in the military and when we switched to Glock from highly customized Browning Hi-Powers,I swore I’d never carry a Glock.I learned that they were just far superior to anything else we had access to.After leaving the military and getting on with SP,I already brought that unbelievable amount of training and combat experience with me,so training is the key.Good luck.
This is the only time I’ve subscribed to a channel without having watched the video, for no other reason than this man’s voice and cadence
Now that Wilson makes and sells an appendix holster I guess we can look forward to an appendix division in IDPA soon. 😉
Wouldn’t that be nice. USPSA has allow AIWB for a while. I would love to see IDPA keep up with how people are actually carrying.
@@mwileyy112492 when Wilson Combat started making and selling PCC rifles it was introduced as a division in IDPA. Now that Wilson makes and sells an appendix holster I would imagine under the 2022 rule book for IDPA we will see an appendix carry option. Do you think Joyce will apologize for the scathing message she sent last year to the match director that allowed appendix carry at his match? I doubt it…
The old guys at Wilson combat HATE that new fangled appendix carry but are forced to follow the market...
Total respect for your awesome knowledge level. I never watch one of your videos without learning something. Thanks for posting.
You're right about those wider clips and loops for comfort. I make holsters for a living and the number of people who don't listen to me on that is surprising. Most of my customers want a single clip holster. Which is very versatile and can be comfortable with a lighter gun as well as the right belt. But the wider double loop/clip holsters are far more comfortable and stable in my experience.
On skinny dudes with small waists, the holster with 2 loops are often too much leather and kydex to stuff in the waist band. End up having pointy corners in the waist line around the hip. I can use a sticky holster no clips with a Glock 43 in the waist band and it will stay there all day.
Wider clips and excellent construction is what makes Hidden Hybrid Holster the most comfortable for me.
This guy is nothing short of phenomenal. And I am proud to say that he hails from my home state of New Hampshire. Maybe he wasn't born here but he put a lot of time in here in the Live Free Or Die state. God bless this man.
@MeandMyStaffy yeah the license plate is cringe before cringe was a thing
His grandparents immigrated to the US from Syria.
I started appendix about 2 years ago. I never thought I would like it but its great for me. I carry a cz compact pcr.
I carry a shield 2.0, and xds mod 2, 4" barrel appendix. I use the higher capacity magazine for each. It is the most effective concealment position for me, and I do not fear it.
Everybody says it as the default thing to do, but finding what works for you also extends to whether or not you should go up a pant size and add 2 in to the waist. For the longest time I did that and I never questioned it and just lived with the fitment issues and figured that's how carrying IWB is. I have a 32 waist and I have always worn 34 pants since I started carrying like a decade ago. A couple days ago I bought a pair of 32 pants and tried it because I was having hip pain with a stiffened belt, and it is solved every problem I've had with this over the years. The pants are tight enough that they can support the weight of the gun and the holster on their own, and now the only thing the belt is doing is providing placement, rotational, and draw retention. I am able to have my belt tight enough to do that, but loose enough that it's not hurting my hips. Also, my undershirt is not constantly pulling itself out of the waistband of my boxers anymore And my boxes are not riding up on the side where my holster is. For years and years, all throughout the day I would have to stop what I was doing and adjust my boxers and undershirt and get everything back in place, only for it to come undone again inevitably. I think my coworkers have just accepted that I'm a weirdo. I've been carrying IWB strong side at 4:00 for 2 days now with my regular pant size, 32, not added two inches in the waist, and I haven't had to do that a single time. Everything just works flawlessly and more comfortably and everything stays exactly where I put it when I left in the morning. The only thing adding 2 inches did was create enough slack in the regular waist band of my pants, that the belt needed to take up that slack and it created so many problems just from that one thing that i never questioned, just because I have never heard anyone else question it. Everyone says it as if it is default true no matter what. I assume it probably does work for the vast majority of people and that's why everyone says it's a good idea, but definitely doesn't work for everyone. It didn't work for me. It's never has.
Mr Ayoob, I have been following and digesting your knowledge since at least the 80’s when I was a kid reading gun rags. You are a treasure and appreciated more than I can express.
Peace.
I have more decades than I care to admit to carrying OWB. It has always worked for me and see no need to change at this point. The only other method I have used has been a crossdraw holster while seated driving for hours at a time. Same as the methods Mas talks about above, a quality crossdraw holster matched to a sturdy gunbelt makes this method work for people that need to have a pistol on their person while seated.
I too carry crossdraw OWB only. Mine is a Smith & Wesson M & P Shield in .40 caliber. I don’t like IWB at all. Why .40 caliber? I wanted something with some knock down power. .45 is better but Smith & Wesson didn’t offer that caliber in an M &P Shield. There’s nothing better than a .45, unless it’s a .357 magnum. I have a belt & holster with a six shooter I acquired when I was considering cowboy action shooting, but I would feel somewhat inhabited to wear that instead.
Thanks Mr Ayoob for your continued instruction. I have followed you since the days of the “Lethal Force Institute”. I too am a retired LEO and I agree with the habitual carry on the strong side 3:00 from duty wear. I transitioned to AIWB years ago off duty and haven’t gone back. I typically carry a CZ P-01 but sometimes in warmer months I will carry a Kahr PM 45 for better concealment. I feel much more comfortable with the CZ since it has an external hammer but the long double action only pull of the Kahr is also reassuring. I really cannot understand all these GLOCK junkies that carry AIWB. Glocks do exactly what they are designed to which is fire when trigger is pulled. I have seen many ND on You Tube video’s and most, if not all of the discharges happen with someone carrying a Glock AIWB. You can’t fix stupid, or educate it.
Thank you
Agree with you. I like appendix position but would never carry a striker fired pistol there. P-01 it is!
Met my sweetheart in 98 - 99. A great time - Thank you both!
Outstanding video! As a retired law enforcement professional, I started caring appendix and have decided to go back to the 3:30 position after watching this great video. Thank you for your great clarification.
I will never understand why people hate their junk enough to point a muzzle directly at it several times a day.
@@Valorius Because it's the most comfortable IWB option, because I trust my pistol not to go off on it's own, because it allows for the fastest possible draw, because it's the easiest position to defend in hand-to-hand, and because it's the easiest position to holster safely. I can't easily look at a holster at the 4:00 but I can very easily look straight down and make sure there's nothing in the holster. It's a great option.
@@Doc41295 For my money 4 oclock IWB is vastly more comfortable than AIWB. AIWB is a torturous mode of carry.
Who said anything about the gun going off by itself? Things get in holsters. T-shirts, drawstrings, or whatever else. There is certainly plenty of videos of foreign objects causing NDs. And if that happens while you AIWB, you're fked but good.
It is definitely NOT the easiest to draw or holster safely. It is in fact the most hazardous way to draw and holster. Dont believe me? Sit down in your car....now draw or reholster without muzzling yourself. Oh right, impossible. Completely 100% impossible. You WILL muzzle yourself every single time you draw or reholster while seated.
If watching 1000s of real gunfight videos on ASP and other channels has taught me anything, it's that speed of draw is darned near totally irrelevant in actual citizen involved gunfights. It's about "waiting your turn" to launch your counter ambush (or pre-empting the bad guys draw). People who try to speed draw into guns almost always get totally wrecked for their troubles.
As far as speed, here is a short 12 sec vid of me drawing one handed from 4 o clock, at night, with my flashlight between my teeth and my phone recording in my right hand, and putting 4 shots on a spinner, with first shot on target in about 1 second:
ruclips.net/video/AvGs8kWkSbo/видео.html
And none of this is even getting into the fact that in a struggle the opponent is going to try to push that gun right back into your belly/groin as you draw, where, again, if it goes off, that round is going right into your family jewels or femoral artery....and it will be presented front and center for him in a ground grappling scenario as well. Just ask George Zimmerman. I want my body between my gun and any bad guy, as it is 4 o clock.
AIWB is definitively and demonstrably the least safe option, by far. Not even close.
@@Doc41295 I think, based on decades of professional concealed carry, that AIWB is as close to a retarded thing as an intelligent man can do. I would outline my reasons, but the other guy that responded to you was pretty darned thorough, and there's not much to add.
@@Doc41295 BTW, there is a video of an AIWB glock apparently going off on it's own AFTER a guy has properly reholstered his pistol, who then bends down to pick up his range bag.
Best part is after he shoots himself in the balls he totally disregards the safety of everyone else present and rips out the gun and throws it on the ground.
I'm sure right up until the very second that glock went BOOM he would've argued at great length on youtube about how he is totally competent, and how his gun will never just go off, and how AIWB is totally safe.
Don't be that guy.
IWB gets my vote. Here in the South most days are warm and inside the waistband just feels right. Thank for your comments. Take care!
Wow! Another example of the more I think I know, the less I know. Thank you for the great insight on conceal carry.
thank you so much I am 61 and brand new to caring and the only comfortable place. I’ve been able to find is at 4 o’clock but I have felt like I was doing something wrong or missing out because I just can’t be comfortable with AIWB. Now I know I just have to train and get good with the 4 o’clock position.
Thanks, Mas. Been following you for years. I carry a 1911 commander on my right hip w 2 wilson spares on my left rear hip using only Galco Conceable holster. That is my habituation for over 20 yrs and used to carry a full size 1911 that way. I cannot use an appendix carry due to extreme discomfort from a hernia surgery. I experimented w a Galco Miami Classic shoulder rig which I use, exclusively for hunting, as it was cumbersome and harder to conceal. I wear a Galco field belt that I have worn everday for 8 yrs and still going strong.
This is the first video I've watched with him. This is great! I love the way he teaches and talks to you and not at you. Funny too.
Thank you so much for posting!
Welcome aboard!
Thanks so much Mr. Mas for the (always) informative vid. I typically carry a small 9 or .45 at about 4:30. I really like what Mas said, as I have said it to anyone will listen for years..."Concealed means concealed!" Don't want to wander too far from the topic though. I can NOT make myself carry APPENDIX IWB, it just ain'ta gonna happen. I know, I know bunches of y'all carry that way (safely, so far) every day. But I have tried every totable size handgun I own, in multiple IWB holsters, from El Cheapo to Primo and just can not get over the fact that my loaded powerhouse, defensive miracle of tech is pointed squarely at my junk and/or femoral artery! Jeff Cooper has got to be spinning fast right now, as you all know AIWB violates #2 of Col. Cooper's codified commandments. I mean, sure my boy is not really the most important thing in the world now (as he was 45 years ago). But he doesn't deserve THAT, he doesn't deserve to be shot just because we don't go on adventurous escapades bringing joy and satisfaction everywhere any longer! No. I just will not do it to him. So, I'll keep experimenting with wild new carry positions, sometimes varying from my usual 4:30 to 4:15 or 4:45 even, but no thanks at all for AIWB.
I have just one arm, and I've learned a lot from you. Thank you.
I'm experimenting with appendix carry after a lifetime of OWB / law enforcement carry. In retirement I'm limiting the pistols I carry that manner to small frame; Ruger LCP2 .380, Springfield XDs 9mm single stack 3" and sometimes as a backup with a Bond Arms 9mm derringer. I'm trying to deal with where the muzzle is pointed, but with my body type I have excellent concealment and comfort. The test goes on.
I carry a glock 43x appendix and I’m definitely not skinny and I’ve found it to work pretty well. And it’s a 10 round mag with a very thin profile.
Massas Ayoob…Consistently thorough, articulate, & humorous (albeit dry). 👊🏽 One of the only instructors, that I watch & listen to the videos, in its entirety. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Really appreciate you guys.I'm old and need a lot of Training. Arthritis is a part of my life and I hope and pray I never have to shoot someone ever again.Just trying to be safe.Your right about extra fat around your body. Finding a good hoister is almost next to impossible with a gun they Don't make anymore.I own a Ruger P 90 no safeties on gun.But numerous hoister companies don't seem to carry a mold for it and can't make me a hoister. I only have owb boister made by Acua Mold which is great as it holds its shape so its easy to hoister minus the thump stap which is good to. The other hoister is a cheap leather one with no restraining device but have to loosen the belt to put gun back in.What about shoulder hoisters for me.Bra hoisters for my wife or purse hoisters which I think are unsafe if the criminal grabs your purse.What about thigh hoisters for women wearing dresses? As you have said and Mr Wilson Apedex carry is faster.I think I would have to go to a less than. 4 1/2 " barrel to make apedex carry work for me in tho owb would be really fast. I trust you guys judgment and a few others I occasionally listen to.My wife is into fashion and carry in her purse.Trying to give her greater options to carry and ability to protect when I'm gone.Got USCCA membership and insurance.Printing is a concern with me also as I always carry and a few times have to put my gun and extra magizines in the car because not allowed to carry into some place.Every bit of advice us appreciated so in case I every have to shoot someone again.I'm a former Marine of the Vietnam and spent 21 months there.
This is the best instructions video I have ever seen thank you.
Honestly, they've been carrying AIWB since the days of Blackbeard. Worked for him.
I just came across this excellent video and I appreciate the pros and cons of each type of carry. I have a good friend who swears by the AIWB carry but my military and law enforcement training is too ingrained for me to allow my weapon muzzle to sweep across and or point at anything that I am not willing to shoot, kill, or destroy. As scary as drawing from AIWB is, it’s exponentially more so when I think about re-holstering said weapon. Then factor in the adrenaline rush and the loss of fine motor skills during and immediately after a serious social encounter; no thanks! Great video! Well done sir!
Came for the tactics... Stayed for the dry sense of humor. Awesomeness!!! 🙂
Massad is the perfect instructor always clearly explaining the pros and cons. Great content!
Couldn't agree more!
You are the most remarkable man to explain things so difficult and making them so understandable! I have subscribed to hear more and more and more of what you have to tell us. Thank you - much appreciated…
When not “pocket carrying” or “belly band carrying” (weather and clothing) an old strong side shoulder injury and being in a vehicle motivated me to carry a Centennial-frame S&W J-frame snubby in an OWB cross-draw holster (Filson belt and Bianchi holster) at about 9:30 or if requirements mean a little larger handgun, a Bianchi X15 shoulder holster. Have carried this way since 1975 except for when in uniform (military) in the field.
One real benefit to the cross draw is that if approached by a threat from the rear, a simple draw and shoot through the jacket is possible. (That works startlingly well!! 😉. )
Thanks for a FANTASTIC video!!!
Mas, I would appreciate your comments on a carry technique I've used for 30 years. It's a modified cross draw with an IWB holster at about the 9:30 position, with the muzzle at a 30° rearward angle, which brings the grip down and rests on or just above the belt. I've carried 4.25 inch 1911s and smaller, g23, and most recently a Sig 365 in this position very comfortably. The muzzle whether standing or sitting points just past the soft tissue of my left hip, to the floor. At no time does it flag my femoral artery or other important structures.
Advantages: muzzle does not point at your, or anybody else's vitals. Just as quick as appendix without as much broadcasting your move. The draw is very subtle whether seen from the front, side or rear...there is no wild swinging or hiking of elbows as with the other carry modes. Your hand merely reaches just across midline at nearly a horizontal movement, like you're grabbing your belt buckle. Most people wouldn't recognize this movement as a draw, until the gun is out, which could give you an extra second or two. It is a very good position to draw from sitting in a car...you could pull and shoot through the door or window of your car in a carjacking situation, and the perpetrator would not even see the move...once again, imagine grabbing your belt buckle while sitting in your car. Unless you have a very large spare tire, printing is minimal, on the order of appendix carry. Unlike 3:30 or 6:00 carry, being disarmed from behind is impossible.
like a cowboy movie carry
I'm not Mas, but that's interesting, I like the sitting aspects. However I could think of two downsides.
1. It's easy to block your draw, as your arm is across your body anyone(thing) in front of you needs only press against your arm or body to prevent your draw.
2. It's a rather large movement and thus slower to get muzzle to target.
This is very close to how I carry and for many of the same reasons. I carry a 3 inch 7 shot revolver. I'm thin but have a belly. The gun lies in a " cavity" that is created between my hip and gut. Depending on clothing I alternate between inside and outside the waistband in nearly the same position I feel it gives me most of the advantages of appendix but safer, more comfortable sitting and driving. One advantage to carrying towards the front is fidgit factor. When carrying behind the hip you never know if your shirt has shifted and your printing ect with the gun in the front you can just glance at your shoes and be reassured about printing. It sounds like your gun is more canted than mine but otherwise very similar. It's a method so rarely talked about that you 🤔 why? I would love to see Massad's thoughts on this as well.
@@snek9353 The butt of the gun sits about 2" to the left of my belt buckle, in fact if it's a larger gun, I have to slide my buckle to the right a inch or two to keep it from rubbing on the finish of the gun. So it's not really a long draw...it's just like grabbing your belt buckle. Maybe I should have called it 10 o'clock. The gun sits diagonally with the muzzle in front of your left hip and the butt rests on your belt just to the left (as you look down) of your buckle. While I agree someone could grab your arm and stop your draw, it would be very similar to appendix in that regard. 3-6 o'clock carries have vulnerabilities from the rear that appendix and this carry do not however. Seems rather easier to avoid a block in front of you than a sneak attack from behind.
@@TheSilverbullet99 Yes, similar, though more up front and more horizontal than you usually see in cowboy movies. Watch the shootout between Doc Holliday (Val Kilmer) and Jonny Ringo in Tombstone...similar to how Holliday is carrying, only slightly more horizontal.
Finally! Someone mentioned that AIWB requires a belt worn rather high on the body.
Mas, as always…thank you for your insights and professionalism.
I continue to learn from you with each episode. God Bless you for taking the time to educate us!
Much appreciated
@@gowilsoncombat Mas and Hackathorn are national treasures to the shooting community. Thanks for giving them a platform. Now if we could just get Gun Jesus on here!
Mr. Ayoob strikes me as being someone who is both highly intelligent and very wise. No man is infallible, but when Mas speaks, it’s worth listening.
Very good video! I may try IWB 5 o’clock again with my fullsize. My daily carry is AIWB as I find it is the most comfortable and workable option for me. One piece of advice which wasn’t mentioned in the video is when holstering a loaded gun in AIWB, remove the holster from your body and then insert the gun into the holster. Then just tuck in the holster and you are safer in this process. The concern is your garments falling into the holster and catching the trigger when inserting the gun. I would not want to holster a loaded semi with no safety and a round in the chamber without using this method. A bit more cumbersome in practice at the range but will prevent that nightmare accidental discharge scenario you mention. Great video!
Lenny from the Glock Store says always hold your thumb on the back of the slid when holstering to avoid what you speak of.
Thank you for educational purposes and support. Learning something new or enhancements everyday.
You bet!
Appendix carry it was my first and probably will be what I always use for concealed carry. Normally I carry a Sigsauer 232, or a Russian Makarov. On days I feel the threat is higher, A full size Glock 17. Thank you for the good knowledgeable advice. A good thing to note is that some guns are much safer than others for appendix carry.
I have the sig 232, where did you get a good holster for it?
It’s always better to buy quality leather something kind of slim if you’re going inside the waistband with a metal clip I would look around on eBay typically holsters that fit the Walther PP fit the 232 good, same with bursa thunder.
I love the way you explain things. So smooth. So clear. No BS.
I have been carrying for years and after trial and error I figured out that the best carry position for my tiny butt is about the 2 o'clock using an iwb hybrid holster. At one point I tried appendix and it was awful. The holster dug into my legs, the way the holster set no matter how I adjusted it the waist band of my pants and my belt got in the way when drawing the pistol and even with a claw to push the grip in towards my body the grip was still sticking out extremely far. The grip was honestly sticking out like two inches or more so there was no concealing it. However at the 2 o'clock the grip kind of follows along with my body shape even though it does print because of how skinny I am. But most people do not notice. It also has the added benefit of being very comfortable and even carrying a full size 1911 I almost forget that I have it on my hip. I have to give credit where credit is due and say that part of that is thanks to my rigger's belt. A good belt makes a big difference!
Massad is the best! Easy to understand, illustrative, uses multiple examples and his sense of humor is unique and keeps my attention.
love your videos! I've been carrying AWIB everyday for 2 years working construction and it works amazing for me. from bending over all day to hand grind concrete to driving a semi truck all day. AWIB has worked great for everything I have to do and I never expose my carry pistol. thanks for the insight brother.
You're allowed to carry at work? I'm an electrician, and here you'd be fired on just about any job site, and possibly have cops called by one of the companies involved. Even if my boss allowed it, basically every GC would freak out.
@@Salty_Balls haha yeah we don’t do commercial stuff but it’s just me and my dad so yeah he is okay with me carrying. Residential curb cutting for driveway approaches and stuff. Parts of slc are to sketchy to not be packing.
@@Salty_Balls Concealed means concealed.
@@Valorius Let me guess, you work in an office. Real men do this thing called labor, and it typically involves bending, stretching, crawling, standing on ladders. All perfect opportunities for clothing to pull above belts, hang away from the body, and fully expose your belt line. We all see much more of each other then we ever want. Wanna say anything else uninformed and stupid?
@@Salty_Balls This is where I'm from:
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Ex infantry, 20 years as a self employed private investigator. 30 years total concealed carry experience. 20 of it professionally.
I’ve been taught gun safety from many questionable people. Every once in a while, someone like this comes along and you just know that he has the experience, and knows what he is talking about. Someone with nothing to prove. It is nice to see this humble, intelligent, calm, knowledgeable person explaining this stuff.
Another great video and overview. I can totally relate to the habituation element. As a former LEO, I’m definitely habituated to OWB carry even off-duty and now as a private citizen. The only other thing I’d add is the benefit of well made paddle holsters that allow easier removal of the holster rather than having to unthread from the belt.
You certainly naturally blade away from people as well, important for y'all's gangster styles (behind 3 or 9)
My gun has never gone off when I didn't want it to, I can draw at least 3 times faster this way, I have better concealment and it is already instinctual to protect that area of your body
Mr Ayoob's no-nonsense manner and intelligent presentation is a great help.
Stretchy pant jeans are revolutionary for IWB.
Great video. Most designers make stretchy jean fabric now that helps.
I carry owb 3:30. I, lately (and in the past), have been trying owb cross draw. I'm older with nature's gut and cross draw seems to work well for me.
I'm always open to new & better draws. Thank you, Maas, for all your experience & sharing it with us.
Oh yeah, by the way, I carry a Baretta 92G Centurion (can be heavy at times). It seems I can't miss using this pistol but I recently bought a CZ P-01 Omega & the feel in my hand is so close to my 92G, I hope I shoot it as well.
@@shellyrobinett9971 I too have just gotten hold of a p01 omega and love it
If cross draw works and you feel comfortable with it then do it!! Just know there’s better options 👍🏼
@@joshmajor8662 crossdraw is sensational if you drive a lot. Its all about circumstances and physique. There is no one best.
I agree. And not only is cross draw comfortable, but you can draw from sitting a LOT easier than strong side. ...and most of us today are sitting a lot more than we are standing, whether in a car or truck, at a restaurant, at work, etc.
I love these videos. This guy is not only a wealth of great personal protection info, he is a model for public speaking expertise! I would listen to him speak on any topic, SUPERB
Pretty nice and informative video. Something I would mention for the appendix carry position is that with a decent "sweat shield" it can help push some of the larger users "tactical shelf" so slipping your thumb behind the grip is easier.
One problem with your hosters, when out and about/travel and you have to sit down in the bathroom somewhere your gun in on the floor!!! The BodyGuard belly Band that is hard to find online. but can be found at some gun shows. It has a holster for two guns on both sides with two pockets for clips for each. The reason called Bodyguard is there are two other pockets for a radio and handcuffs BUT each will hold three clips each. I just rap each clip pocket with clear packing tape. Not worried for the extra gun so a carry of a big Glock 45 cal you will have two clips on each side and six clips in the added pockets. You put on backwards and velcro on then move around with gun to your right. Yes one size larger pants BUT even with shorts and a t-shirt no one will know you are carrying. I have been carrying mine this way since the early 90's. I was military now ex and learned the criminals are scared and most times have followers with them, you need the extra clips. Police carry two clips, Hey they wear a lot of extra stuff. Lastly if you carry you need body armor and there now is under shirt styles that have soft armor but you can slide metal plate in front of the soft. Yes a little heavy but better with a bruise/ broken ribs than a lot of fragments from hollow point. Also learn to shoot low, there are two main arteries in the groin and even a .22 cal will cause death, even the bad guys wear armor - think think plan and be ready!!
I like AIWB a lot, and only because I have a kydex holster made specifically for my CCW that covers the trigger guard completely. And it’s double action. No printing.
The IWB tip of undoing the top button of your pants for a 2 inch test was great.👍
havent heard much discussion about bio-breaks and vehicles. a Con for AIWB is it's quite difficult to take a leak compared to other methods. AIWB is a plus when riding in vehicles as the seat belt does not interfere and the shirt can be tucked so the firearm is accessible from the seated position even faster.
Best I've seen on "concealed carry" .. Thanks.
When I carry appendix IWB, I carry a DOA H&K P30SK LEM in a kydex holster made for it. Works great for me. Otherwise I'm carrying IWB at 4oclock with a CZ 75 D or the Jericho 941.
I also AIWB carry a LEM P30SK with a JM Custom Kydex holster.
The Jericho is an amazing pistol. Great choice my friend.
Talking about iwb holsters, I would like to recommend the alien line of holsters. My edc is an iwi Masada, that is a pretty big gun, I can carry that all day and am not uncomfortable. It has all the features which Masad recommends and holds the weapon very securely without printing.I am 6’2 at 185 so that does make a difference. I have tried aiwd and find it very uncomfortable even with the wife’s Bersa 380. I find the 3:30 position best overall. Mara is absolutely right about the belt you use. I own 2 very good leather gun belts and am looking for a third just for added variety. Masad, you are one of my favorite gun educators please keep up the great videos you produce.
I did 4:30 IWB for several years and recently started AIWB, which is far superior, imho. Being able to look down to double-check printing and the speed of the draw is invaluable. That said, I carry hammer-down DASA now specifically to avoid the possibility of a fatal ND and for peace of mind. The only way I'd even consider carrying a striker AIWB is with a safety, and that would take more retraining than I care to invest.
if you are going to AIWB, i agree 10000000% that it should be a hammer fired DA gun.
How does the hammer make it safer?
The protection for the trigger is the same for apendix and 3:00 and when practiced it does not aim at you during a draw. You can not draw when leaned forward which is when it’s potentially aimed at you.
The aiwb shown in this video is also way to high. It’s faster for competition but larger guys and most looking for better concealment go below the abdomen. A long barrel will rest on leg with a pad behind it so it’s actually about 10 degrees infront of your leg.
I can easily squat and lunge with a full size p320. I did work with a trainer when I started but the ability to draw from weird positions is valuable to me. Try laying flat on the ground and drawing or have your hands In front of you to stop an attack and then go to draw.
Spencer Keepers has some awesome videos of you want to learn the right way
Good luck and stay safe out there.
I carry striker fired with safety off and chamber empty
I LOVE your videos, and never miss a single word you say. You knowledge, experience, and articulation, is much appreciated! I am a 70 year old guy.. I'm 6'-2" and a pretty good sized mid section. I carry a Walther PDP compact, in a Blackhawk leather single belt loop 'inside the pants' holster. It is actually a holster for a Springfield XDS... and because I'm a Luthier and musical instrument repair tech going on 50 years now, I can work most materials pretty well. Although I'm no leathersmith, I relieved the stitching and trimmed the leather a little for the PDP. It fits amazingly well. I'm left handed, and carry at my 9 O'clock, just ahead of my hip bone. It does not print. The retention is excellent, and reholstering, is no problem. The draw is fine. I just need to practice. And practice more after that.
I've been carrying appendix for years. For me it's just got so many benefits. I find it more comfortable and more concealable.
I don't have to worry about someone grabbing my gun from behind. If the gun is uncomfortable I can easily bump it without anyone thimking much about it.
It could be very dangerous though, but it's not hard to confirm reholstering because it's in front of you.
For everyday, around town, shopping, out to eat etc. IWB between 3:30-4:00. When driving more than an hour or so, I go cross draw.
I don't wear any holster IWB, OWB in any position that I cannot clear my garment with the draw hand alone. My off hand has the duty of GTFOM with knife if need be to give me TIME, distance is time, them reacting to pain is time, I'll take whatever time I can get. Back up is always either hand accessible. The Gravest Extreme clarified my thoughts on redundancy in how you fight, you have two arms and two hands, one set may go down, have to be ready to use the other. SERPA's either at 3- or 6+ for that reason. Back-up (or church carry) is most often 6 - 7 (especially when I'm using the SERPA it's at 7 and SERPA's 0300 - 0230). Thumb's always out, bird finger and heel of thumb can begin formation of grip. Start slow, and get the foundation of your muscle memory, with the ring finger pulling your grip into the base of your palm. It's like a roll in,. Yes you can fire with index, bird, and only heel of thumb from the hip with your forearm creased by the base of the slide and I don't recommend it. Still it works 1911 or Glock, pushing forward! before the next shot.
No matter how you choose to carry, muscle memory is paramount on your draw. Unload your pistol, and do it. Over and over. Don't like the position for your holster, change it. Don't like your carry holster, change it. Your life may depend on this. Do it over and over, no f' ups. Hopefully it will never come to your life depending on how you carry. You can be very sure that your confidence in yourself will matter even if you never have to draw. Many things in life will hinge on how you carry yourself, have confidence in the "push comes to shove" you'll shove and they won't like it. It's stopped others in my life without laying a hand on what I was about to shove with. They saw they were about to stop by my demeanor, so they did before it was made so. Constant carry means you must be ready to constantly deploy then employ. We have to practice both.
Keep calm and carry on. Oh, hit if need be. Still all this is just me, I'm only alive by grace of God even if constant carry for over 3 decades, it's still by Him. I almost completely f'd up a few times, so it was Him.
thanks Massad
cross draw is my favorite .comfort in every position and fast enough .
If I close my eyes while listening to this it’s as if Mike Ehrmantraut is giving me CC lessons 😂
This video made me rethink my carry position. I find AIWB extremely comfortable, but it takes a lot for concealment on my body. Wedge and claw absolutely critical on my body type. I’m now training from 3:30, and I can easily conceal without adding to a plain kydex holster. I also like the safety factor, and my personal threat profile is not very high. As it happens, I will likely use both, depending on a number of personal lifestyle choices.
Great presentation, well explained. I would love to see his suggestions for us wheel chair bound vets. There does not seem to be anything out there except shoulder holsters.
Great suggestion!
Have you tried a chest rig?
Appendix position extremely uncomfortable sitting in car compared to behind the hip which is easy to feel comfortable doing for me. Great video!
Thanks for sharing!
I find that carrying iwb at about 2:30 with a forward cant works best for me, I find it prevents any irritation on the hip and also prevents printing from behind. I use the "y" but sweep from behind, I find it clears whatever garment I'm wearing and places my hand in the proper position to draw. There are some great points raised in this video, manditory info for those who carry.
Another great video. No bs, no politics, no nonsense - what a wonderful recess
Thanks Mas, enjoyed your MAG20 class some years back. I might consider AIWB for one reason - nobody is likely to bump into you in the front and get startled by a weapon being there, as might happen with positions between 3 and 6 o'clock. A 1911 feels different than an iPhone.
Just wanted to thank you for your expert opinions.
skinned a chicken and managed to tan the hide. LOL
I was honestly going to try Appendix carry. After listening and watching this I’ll keep my 4 o’clock strong side