I own darn near every book Mas has ever written. Especially the 2 volumes of "Greatest Handguns of The World". I even ordered the pdf collection of all his "Ayoob Files" articles for American Handgunner magazine. It is amazing how seriously over the top critique of his first impression of GLOCK was received. He was damned near crucified for an honest opinion. It took him about a year to dig himself out of the hole the book critics dug for him.
Massad is so important to keeping officers alive he should be on the Mt Rushmore of gun history and officer safety. I respect every book he wrote I have read. The man is a living legend in my mind.
I took an authorized Stress Fire two-day class TWICE, a year apart: I learned just as much the second time too! I learned responsibility as well as confidence...........................elsullo
That New York City trigger he recommended made it almost impossible for the NYPD to shoot accurately. The Empire State Building shoot out fiasco was a direct result of his recommendation. Pass.
How refreshing it is to watch a gun discussion that goes beyond caliber wars and "Glock vs. 1911..." More knowledge in 20 minutes than most "gun" channels in 20 hours. Thank you, Ken and Mas!
Two absolute ICONS of the industry, they have both done so much for today’s gun carriers it’s incredible. I would not want to even think about about where we would be without their mentor ship, wisdom, and teachings. Whether it’s helping the law abiding self defense shooter in the court room or the gunfighter on the training range these 2 gentlemen have left their mark that will remain for generations to come. Thank you both. Rick
There is more reliable, experienced based, real world handgun information in this and all of the Gun Guys videos than from any other single source. Being FREE is a real bonus. Thank y'all.
Took Massad's week long LFI course 25 years ago, and two other classes on legal aspects a decade or so later. Fantastic writer and a shooter who can walk the walk.
Been shooting, prepping, and military my entire adult life, and even though I'm a Brit Mas Ayoob, Mel Tappan, Jef Cooper and Ragnar Benson were must reads for me from 1979 onwards.
Love the phrase "the weapon is not the gun it's the guy behind the trigger". Reminds me of what my hunter safety teacher said when I was ten years old, that stuck with me ever since: "It's not the gun, it's the nut behind the bolt."
I think to help newer shooters or newer to the culture, showing pictures on the screen when talking about certain guns, parts, etc. makes it easier to follow. But thoroughly enjoyed this
The best thing I ever did for my shooting with Berettas was to put a bunch of rounds through a J-frame at distance. Now the DA stroke on a 92 is no big deal.
I learned to shoot on 1911's. My first ever gun book was Cooper on Handguns and as many people know, he would gripe all the time about the transition between double and single action trigger on DA autos. When I became a cop, we were issued HK USP .40 cal autos. We had to carry the pistol with the safety off and the hammer down. I used fired perfect scores with the pistol with no issues. Anyone that knows the basics of proper pistol shooting will not have a problem with any pistol they fire as long as they take the time to get to know the pistol.
I picked up a Glock 30S under blue label a few years back and it’s been a joy to shoot. It’s cool to hear Mass favors it for a variety of purposes. It shoots much better than you would think for such a heavy round.
I remember back in college going to the store and looking through the gun magazines for the ones that had an articles by Massad Ayoob and those are the one's I would buy. Really liked his writing and had his books on Stressfire and In the Gravest Extreme and now Deadly Force.
Some You Tube "gunners" 👨🏻💻 trash Ayoob but I agree with about 90% of his articles, content. I'm 50 & a US Army veteran 🎗. Ayoob along with gunsmith Andy Canon had the cool L frame Canon-Ayoob .357magnum.
I inherited my father's Model 39-2 that he bought from a Montana Sheriff's estate. I am still amazed at how well that pistol shoots, eats anything I feed it, and feels in my hand. Thanks guys! Great video from one dinosaur to another!
This man is a legend. Next interview...Get him and Jerry Micelek around a fire with a few scotches ;) I feel old getting the Betty /Veronica comparison. Good stuff Wilson!
The comment about Betty/Veronica is about Riverdale which is on tv right now. In the comics, Archie never had either girls. Not so on this new version. And I"ll leave it at that.
@@shooterqqqq I remember a shipmate having a copy of Archie where he was going around town greeting the girls who were all bent over & all you could see were shapely female posteriors. That's when I figured that the Archie's weren't really a kids comic series.
The S&W 39 was way ahead of its time and the first to the market with everything we love today. DA-SA, de-cocker-safety, magazine disconnect, adjustable sights, light alloy frame, heavy checkering on the wood grips Always loved the 1911 but I finally added a few 39's/59's to the safe (a couple too beautiful to shoot but yeah, they got shot). If S&W did a 10mm in the Model-39 format I'd own one. Anyone else still loving that old 70's design?
Love my two 6" Pythons. Also my S&W 64,65,66,67 and Taurus 82,83,65,66 which are the Smiths evil twins. Also love my J,L and N frames. My three dozen autos don't go to the range nearly as much as the revolvers.
I only wish other RUclips so-called experts who just make stuff up would watch this! If they had ANY shame they would withdraw..........................elsullo
I credit Mr. Ayoob with my choice in firearms over the years. While my dad may have started the interest, it was reading and listening to Mr. Ayoob that I learned the respect and appreciation for firearms that I hold today. My brother went the way of the Beretta, and I went with Glock. To this day the Glock 19 and 26 are my favorites, while the Sig P226 and S&W Model 60 are my favorite DA/SA offerings. When someone asks me a question about a particular firearm, or mindset to carry a firearm; I point them to my bookshelf with the Massad Ayoob collection. His written works assisted me in being a juror on several cases, and has been forefront in my attitude to carrying guns. Similarly there are instances I chose NOT to have a gun around, and to that I credit Mr. Ayoob as well. Ken Hackathorn on the flipside has taught me so much in his videos and demos on handling, maintenance, and safety. I don't believe in mandatory training requirements, but if it had to be done these men are the ones who should be doing it. Much respect and appreciation to their collective wisdom and teaching. 🔥
I too have most of the guns Mas prefers. Merely by chance, but I guess I have great taste amd good fortune! Here's the list I compiled from the video... S&W 686 & Model 64 Ruger GP100 (all 4") S&W Model 27 6" Colt Python 4" (old Python) 1911 (of course) Browning Hi-Power Glock 30 Beretta 92 The only ones I lack are the B92, the S&W 27 and 64, I have a Python but it's a 2020 model in 4.25" barrel. I do want a Beretta but I'll likely not get another Smiff Revolver unless it's a screaming deal. Which happens on occasion...
I shoot revolvers and semiautomatics. I guess this will label me as an early dinosaur but my favorites to shoot are a pair of Ruger 357 magnum Blackhawks. One is a three screw model and the other is a modern version. Very accurate guns, wonderful triggers, and I have never felt underpowered with this pair. Fun for plinking and comfortable for home defense.
Back in the late 80's a friend of mine, who was a cop, used to preach Mr.Ayoobs techniques. I had no idea who this guy was. But I followed his "Training ". Then internet kicked in and I was able to be more familiar with him. Until then I only had an article or two in magazines to read about him. This guy is a true firearms master. Legend has it that when Massad speaks, E.F. Hutton listens....
Two of the best gun teachers on the web. Bill Wilson, Ernest Langdon, Rob Latham…I can watch all these guys any day, all day….but these two…national treasures. And OMG…Betty AND Veronica…wow. Put me on the floor.
Browning Hi Power MkIII is still an excellent pistol, and I have shot them so often for so long I don't even use the sights anymore. The P35 has been like an extension of my hand the dispenses bullets right on target.
I find all videos featuring Massad Ayoob and Ken Hackathorn to be very informative and very interesting. I always come away with far more knowledge than I went into their videos with. Their purpose is to make you a better informed firearm owner as well as a better shooter. Keep up the good work men.
@@hansblitz7770 They got grip feel that's pretty much nearly the same as hi-powers. In an uncouth way, they feel like grabbing your own bits. Just that intuitive.
@Common Sense Realist good thing I'm not buying a glock to impress but rather to protect my life. If you have a BMW, with a mean ass pitbull and a pimped out gun to make you look fancy or mean then good for you, we all need something to make us feel good about ourselves, me I'm a simpleton and like the simplistic reliability of a glock, i don't need more. Maybe oneday if finances allow it i will buy some or other good looking fancy gun to shoot at the range but a glock will always be the one i carry to defend my life.
You men are awesome instructors and Mr.Ayoob your revolver reload video from like 8 or 10 years ago still helps this southpaw learn the revolver reload thank you.
my dad was in law enforcement and he carried a model 27 S&W i still have and a chief special which my brother now owns , so much wisdom in these videos
They called the barrel conv guns "Smolts" or "smythons". They also used to put smith revolver rear sights on 1911s before adjustable sights were common
Words of pure gold! They harken to the days of fine double action revolvers, the led up to the many fine carry pistols. I do long for the easy ability of the revolver to be " personalized" with custom grips, polished internals, and double action work that is so endearing, plus the wide range of ammunition that revolvers can manage!
What a GREAT and thoroughly enjoyable presentation; I thank you gentlemen (and Bill Wilson) for making these great insights - so decently and harmoniously presented - available. I’ll be 75 this month, I was raised on K and N Frames, as well as 1911-A1s, and I found SO much with which I agreed in this video. Now, to be clear, my expertise and abilities are non-existent in comparison to these superb professionals, however, I was impressed with their opinions re revolvers and traditional DA/SA autoloaders. I happen to favor the CZ 75-B, but I own and admire the Sig P22X series and the H&K USPs. I’d never before thought of the advantage of a manual safety - like a manual transmission for carjackings - but it makes a great deal of sense. So, manny thanks!
I have known about, and understood, the basic theories and opinions of many of the past and present gun writers, shooters and affectionardos in the past in my 64 years on the planet.... but I am looking forward to meeting Mas, Ken, and Bill, very much!
Many of the things I've implemented in my firearms training came from Mas Ayoob over two decades ago and most still stand firm in the firearms community today. A plethora of knowledge from these two. Great video.
People can say what they want about revolvers, I guarantee you this though - none of those bad mouthing them would volunteer to stand at the business end of a loaded one.
@@kuuryotwo5153 Pretty sure nobody with enough brain cells would want to be on the business end of anything from a .22 up to a 12 gauge. Every firearm has their uses, so long as the person holding it understands the pros and cons of what they’re using and also understand their own skill level with that firearm, that’s really all that should matter, instead of people badmouthing each other’s choice of self defense weapon. Frankly I consider the folks badmouthing revolvers to be no different than the folks that think they can shrug off a “mediocre” .380 or 9mm round before plugging the other guy with their “man stopping” round of choice.
I started out as a young police officer in 1974 carrying a S&W .38 special 4 inch and a chief’s special as off duty and backup. I purchased a S&W model 28 4 inch and carried it. In 1978 I graduated from the FBI academy and we were issued 3” S&W I think in .38 special. As soon as I could I got my model 28 approved for carry when I went to my first office. Of course I couldn’t shine either of these gentleman’s shoes, but I sure enjoy watching them.
Another secret to avoid PPK slide-bite is a SNUG simple slip-on rubber grip sleeve with one or two finger grooves. This gives much leverage during firing to keep the frame tang from tipping down...........................elsullo
In 2006 I purchased a new, unused Ruger GPNY .38spl revolver. Ruger made it for the NYPD 👮🏻♂️ in 1991 but the firearm was never delivered. The union & NYPD went to new Glock, S&W 9mm sidearms. The GP 6 shot had a spurless DA only design. The robust GPNY rode in a Bianchi UM84R or black Blade tech left hand holster.
In 1993,as I changed from full time to part time security,my boss told me that I was now eligible to get my Tennessee armed guard certification.With my last full time guard paycheck($350.00),I bought a 4" stainless Ruger GP 100 with adjustable sights just because I liked the way that they looked.The only mod it had was a set of Uncle Mike's grips to fill in under the trigger guard so it wouldn't beat up my middle finger. In the state run training,I was told that I was the first revolver guy they'd seen in months,that most people were bringing autoloaders. That gun was stolen in 1997,as was its replacement in 2005.I want them both back.
I too value the Kahr DAO most of all! That utterly safe, never cocked until full trigger pull, which is smooth like BUTTER. I had the original K9 all steel and soft rubber grip model---wonderful gun!...........................elsullo
Mr Mussad, your knowledge is inspiring. While I’ve never been a Barreta fan and won’t be, I still think the world of the Colt Python as my favorite wheel gun. The 1911 is still my favorite .45 although the .45 Glock is a close second. The videos with you rock!
Smolts! What a blast from the past. I remember reading about them in gun magazines in the early '80s when I was a kid and first getting seriously interested in guns.
Something I learned years ago and I've instilled in my kids is to listen to the old guys. Keep your mouth shut and your ears open and you can learn a lot.
I absolutely love watching these videos with you two legends. I grew up from the 1980s on (age 55) reading and watching you two (and others) and it’s so nice to get these candid “inside baseball” moments with you. Please continue with these videos. Thanks.
5:38 Massad's favorite revolver: Smith & Wesson; Bob Lloyd Custom 4" 686 or a 4" model 64; for 2-3 years shot the (Ruger) GP 100. It's like Ford vs Chevy. Single favorite revolver: (S&W) 6" Model 27. 7:48 The Colt Python would very slightly outshoot the Smith & Wesson on the bench, though. The Python had a 1/1,000" taper toward the end that enabled more effective rifling. 8:50 Autopistol: "Certainly the (Colt) 1911." Bad: Walther PPK (bit the hand) and Luger (horrible trigger and sights; backward, unreachable safety) were both "terrible disappointments" despite his boyhood dreams of shooting them. Liked Browning High Power; known to fit the hand well. Also was good for part and magazine availability worldwide in the 1980s; today, that role's filled by Glock. 10:02 Favorite Glock: the Glock 30. Fits the hand well. Glock 45s are the most accurate of the Glocks. The Glock 30 tends to outshoot the bigger Glock 21. 11:40 Favorite 45 round: Atlanta Arms 230 grain IPSC load; tiny bit softer than 45 hardball. 13:20 Thoughts on Beretta 92. Army adopted Massad's "stress fire" system in the early 1990s, and that's how he became familiar with the Beretta (aka M9). A bit fat for the hand, but quite accurate. Good idea: spend a month shooting a double-action trigger; will teach trigger pressure. 16:33 Insight on striker-fire pistols: like or dislike? "Learned to live with it." Can cause confusion in a tense moment with bad guys if the good guy can't immediately tell if the weapon is ready to fire. Able to identify 13 troopers in a convocation of > 1,100 who were likely alive because of the ability to drop the magazine and place weapon on safe as there was a struggle for their weapon; this seems to be a primary advantage of "autopistols" over revolvers. 19:06 Sig Sauer 320 vs (military) M17 - manual safeties preferred in these for that same reason
My every day carry is my S&W 38 special ultralite revolver with the red dot. Fits my hand perfectly. Very comfortable gun for a female. I always recommend this to my female friends who want to get a gun for the 1st time.
The village elders share timeless wisdom.
*village idiots
@@problematic7993 TROLL
Well at least they didn't talk about muskets 🙄😒😏
It's not often you meet a guy who a country constantly fighting and surrounded by savages names their spy agency after....
;p
@@problematic7993 you are the only fucking idiot here
I'll be 70 yrs old tomorrow 6/4/2021 and I've shot weapons for 65 of those years. I never get tired of listening to these two men talk.
Happy Birthday! Of course you are correct.
Happy Birthday!
Happy birthday 🎉🎉🥳
Happy Birthday its my birthday too! Sig 365 here
Happy Birthday!
“Blood kept out of the water attracts far fewer sharks.” My god that’s Genius.
He's a BTDT kind of guy.
As another sage voice said
" the more you learn about tactics the less you want to use them"
Its the wig that causes the genius
"Really?"
"My little Queen of the Prostitutes?"
😂😂
Massad's all-time favorite guns!? Yeah, I got time.
Right? Anytime he has something to say I'm all in lol
I own darn near every book Mas has ever written. Especially the 2 volumes of "Greatest Handguns of The World". I even ordered the pdf collection of all his "Ayoob Files" articles for American Handgunner magazine. It is amazing how seriously over the top critique of his first impression of GLOCK was received. He was damned near crucified for an honest opinion. It took him about a year to dig himself out of the hole the book critics dug for him.
How do you choose? I’m sure it’s the same for him.
Damn straight brother!!
Mr Ayoob speaks, the wise listen.
In 20 minutes, these two share more valuable handgun knowledge than most GunTubers provide in a year.
Tim from MAC & MrGuns&Gear are good firearms RUclipsrs to.
Probably because these two have forgotten more than half of GunTubers know collectively.
Absolutely brother
@@unclebob540i3
*forgotten
Ok bud, sure.
Massad Ayoob brings decades of experience in the field and the courtroom. I would take his advice over any of the tacticool mall ninjas on RUclips.
Massad is so important to keeping officers alive he should be on the Mt Rushmore of gun history and officer safety. I respect every book he wrote I have read. The man is a living legend in my mind.
Agreed! Alive and out of jail! The man is a god send!
I took an authorized Stress Fire two-day class TWICE, a year apart: I learned just as much the second time too! I learned responsibility as well as confidence...........................elsullo
That New York City trigger he recommended made it almost impossible for the NYPD to shoot accurately. The Empire State Building shoot out fiasco was a direct result of his recommendation. Pass.
@@Bodhi1satva godsend is a word
@@kagyu1
Citation Required, or
STFU
How could anyone wanting to learn more about pistols and revolvers "not enjoy" this? ! Two of the most knowledgeable men on the planet on this topic!
I am not a revolver guy, but I found this to be interesting and learned a couple of things to.
I agree
I miss Jeff Cooper and Elmer Keith...they were on the same level as these veteran shooters.
Both these men are national treasures. Love to see it.
Massad is icon! coolest lad around
I was trying to find the right words to describe these two gentlemen and the wealth of knowledge that they share. You just summed it up perfectly.
Indeed
How refreshing it is to watch a gun discussion that goes beyond caliber wars and "Glock vs. 1911..."
More knowledge in 20 minutes than most "gun" channels in 20 hours. Thank you, Ken and Mas!
What?.... There are handguns other than a glock or 1911?
Very well said
@@snowflakecuntreeman3947 Glock isn't real, it's just an evil figment of our imagination (I have only ever touched a 1911)
I'll probably watch this several times.
Two absolute ICONS of the industry, they have both done so much for today’s gun carriers it’s incredible. I would not want to even think about about where we would be without their mentor ship, wisdom, and teachings. Whether it’s helping the law abiding self defense shooter in the court room or the gunfighter on the training range these 2 gentlemen have left their mark that will remain for generations to come.
Thank you both.
Rick
There is more reliable, experienced based, real world handgun information in this and all of the Gun Guys videos than from any other single source. Being FREE is a real bonus. Thank y'all.
Paul Harrel, look em up. ex-army, highly awarded.. extremely informative.
Took Massad's week long LFI course 25 years ago, and two other classes on legal aspects a decade or so later. Fantastic writer and a shooter who can walk the walk.
How long before your writer's cramp went away from all the note taking?
@@doughesson 😂
Been shooting, prepping, and military my entire adult life, and even though I'm a Brit Mas Ayoob, Mel Tappan, Jef Cooper and Ragnar Benson were must reads for me from 1979 onwards.
Love the phrase "the weapon is not the gun it's the guy behind the trigger". Reminds me of what my hunter safety teacher said when I was ten years old, that stuck with me ever since: "It's not the gun, it's the nut behind the bolt."
He speaks from experience.
Revolvers will always be relevant to certain applications. My personal favorite is the Ruger GP 100 with 4" barrel
I think to help newer shooters or newer to the culture, showing pictures on the screen when talking about certain guns, parts, etc. makes it easier to follow. But thoroughly enjoyed this
"The weapon is not the gun, it's the guy behind the trigger" KH.
As John Wayne once said, " Its not the arrow, it's the Indian ".
It is a great quote!
ATF classifies guy behind trigger as a machine gun…
My father (ex USMC) and I enjoyed this. Thank you.
Our pleasure!
The best thing I ever did for my shooting with Berettas was to put a bunch of rounds through a J-frame at distance. Now the DA stroke on a 92 is no big deal.
Thank you for making that connection.
Yep. I carried a SIG DA/SA for years. All it takes to be proficient with one is practice.
Thanks
My first duty gun in the eighties was a Smith and Wesson Model 15 combat masterpiece. Great gun.
They’re both old enough,been there, done that. They’re both pros never to doubt them.
Another great video. Always appreciate the wisdom of Mr Ayoob. It’s even cooler his name is Booya backwards. 👏👏👏
I learned to shoot on 1911's. My first ever gun book was Cooper on Handguns and as many people know, he would gripe all the time about the transition between double and single action trigger on DA autos. When I became a cop, we were issued HK USP .40 cal autos. We had to carry the pistol with the safety off and the hammer down. I used fired perfect scores with the pistol with no issues. Anyone that knows the basics of proper pistol shooting will not have a problem with any pistol they fire as long as they take the time to get to know the pistol.
As always the wisdom here is priceless! Blessings to both of you.
Massad is so mellow! Such clear responses when questioned. Good dude.
Hes got that golden voice..
I picked up a Glock 30S under blue label a few years back and it’s been a joy to shoot. It’s cool to hear Mass favors it for a variety of purposes. It shoots much better than you would think for such a heavy round.
Oh my... the experience between these two...
I remember back in college going to the store and looking through the gun magazines for the ones that had an articles by Massad Ayoob and those are the one's I would buy. Really liked his writing and had his books on Stressfire and In the Gravest Extreme and now Deadly Force.
Some You Tube "gunners" 👨🏻💻 trash Ayoob but I agree with about 90% of his articles, content. I'm 50 & a US Army veteran 🎗. Ayoob along with gunsmith Andy Canon had the cool L frame Canon-Ayoob .357magnum.
His legal advice is best in the business.
I don't really care about boutique fancy 5 shot 38s but that's just like,
My opinion man.
Bill Wilson MAKES the 92 WALK AND TALK
I started to read their work in the 80s and 90s. Damn I feel old.
I inherited my father's Model 39-2 that he bought from a Montana Sheriff's estate. I am still amazed at how well that pistol shoots, eats anything I feed it, and feels in my hand. Thanks guys! Great video from one dinosaur to another!
This man is a legend. Next interview...Get him and Jerry Micelek around a fire with a few scotches ;)
I feel old getting the Betty /Veronica comparison. Good stuff Wilson!
Don't forget Ginger / Maryann! Nothing like having two hot women as a captive audience!
@@d.e.b.b5788 You know you're getting older when Mrs Howell starts looking better than Ginger & Mary Ann.
The comment about Betty/Veronica is about Riverdale which is on tv right now. In the comics, Archie never had either girls. Not so on this new version. And I"ll leave it at that.
@@shooterqqqq I remember a shipmate having a copy of Archie where he was going around town greeting the girls who were all bent over & all you could see were shapely female posteriors.
That's when I figured that the Archie's weren't really a kids comic series.
Two of the greatest that I have ever seen that are still with us!
The S&W 39 was way ahead of its time and the first to the market with everything we love today. DA-SA, de-cocker-safety, magazine disconnect, adjustable sights, light alloy frame, heavy checkering on the wood grips Always loved the 1911 but I finally added a few 39's/59's to the safe (a couple too beautiful to shoot but yeah, they got shot). If S&W did a 10mm in the Model-39 format I'd own one. Anyone else still loving that old 70's design?
Try 1955 design
Smith an Wesson 686 Plus .357 Magnum. My favorite handgun round.
Love my two 6" Pythons. Also my S&W 64,65,66,67 and Taurus 82,83,65,66 which are the Smiths evil twins. Also love my J,L and N frames. My three dozen autos don't go to the range nearly as much as the revolvers.
Tons of knowledge, experience, and wisdom on this channel. No ego.
I only wish other RUclips so-called experts who just make stuff up would watch this! If they had ANY shame they would withdraw..........................elsullo
"well listen Max..." That made me chuckle.
Love this discussion, and Ayoob’s encyclopedic knowledge.
Ayoob has decades of gun knowledge; legal issues, police, ccw, match shooting, hunting.
My 19-2 is a 3T and has the Most Amazing Single and Double Action Trigger ! Thank You GENTLEMEN For Blazing the Trail for US
I credit Mr. Ayoob with my choice in firearms over the years.
While my dad may have started the interest, it was reading and listening to Mr. Ayoob that I learned the respect and appreciation for firearms that I hold today. My brother went the way of the Beretta, and I went with Glock. To this day the Glock 19 and 26 are my favorites, while the Sig P226 and S&W Model 60 are my favorite DA/SA offerings.
When someone asks me a question about a particular firearm, or mindset to carry a firearm; I point them to my bookshelf with the Massad Ayoob collection. His written works assisted me in being a juror on several cases, and has been forefront in my attitude to carrying guns. Similarly there are instances I chose NOT to have a gun around, and to that I credit Mr. Ayoob as well.
Ken Hackathorn on the flipside has taught me so much in his videos and demos on handling, maintenance, and safety.
I don't believe in mandatory training requirements, but if it had to be done these men are the ones who should be doing it.
Much respect and appreciation to their collective wisdom and teaching. 🔥
Well stated. I agree.
I too have most of the guns Mas prefers. Merely by chance, but I guess I have great taste amd good fortune!
Here's the list I compiled from the video...
S&W 686 & Model 64
Ruger GP100 (all 4")
S&W Model 27 6"
Colt Python 4" (old Python)
1911 (of course)
Browning Hi-Power
Glock 30
Beretta 92
The only ones I lack are the B92, the S&W 27 and 64, I have a Python but it's a 2020 model in 4.25" barrel. I do want a Beretta but I'll likely not get another Smiff Revolver unless it's a screaming deal. Which happens on occasion...
@@RGRundeRGRound Nice. I can see that you've cultured resistance to collect more pew pews. SAFE and a Velly Goot 2022 New Year brudder.
What a honor and pleasure to sit and listen to two greats of the gun world discussing handguns...
Thank you Gentlemen
What an amazing amount of knowledge sitting right there. Great to listen and be the fly in the wall.
If you had to be a fly, wouldn't you rather be on, instead of in the wall?
I could listen to Mass talk guns all day long.
I shoot revolvers and semiautomatics. I guess this will label me as an early dinosaur but my favorites to shoot are a pair of Ruger 357 magnum Blackhawks. One is a three screw model and the other is a modern version. Very accurate guns, wonderful triggers, and I have never felt underpowered with this pair. Fun for plinking and comfortable for home defense.
Just got the kimber k6s 4", I love it
ya all time fav = anything Wilson Combat!
I swear I could listen to this knowledge all day. Two of the most knowledgeable men on earth who actually know what they are talking about.
I love these men, they're a dying breed.
I was late to the game reading Massad Ayoob's articles, which I "only" found in the late 1980s. He is a national treasure!
Back in the late 80's a friend of mine, who was a cop, used to preach Mr.Ayoobs techniques. I had no idea who this guy was. But I followed his "Training ".
Then internet kicked in and I was able to be more familiar with him. Until then I only had an article or two in magazines to read about him. This guy is a true firearms master. Legend has it that when Massad speaks, E.F. Hutton listens....
Thanks to both of you for your insights - it's a real privilege to hear from you !
Two of the best gun teachers on the web. Bill Wilson, Ernest Langdon, Rob Latham…I can watch all these guys any day, all day….but these two…national treasures. And OMG…Betty AND Veronica…wow. Put me on the floor.
Browning Hi Power MkIII is still an excellent pistol, and I have shot them so often for so long I don't even use the sights anymore. The P35 has been like an extension of my hand the dispenses bullets right on target.
The Hi Power also has a magazine safety. and it's a 5 minute job to enable or disable it.
I find all videos featuring Massad Ayoob and Ken Hackathorn to be very informative and very interesting. I always come away with far more knowledge than I went into their videos with. Their purpose is to make you a better informed firearm owner as well as a better shooter. Keep up the good work men.
It doesn’t get any better than this. Two Master sharing their wisdom. These guys are top of the class amazing. Thanks
Every time these gentlemen speak, I listen. I always learn something when watching this channel.
I have to say the CZ-75 family and clones are my favorite.
Fragile, but very nice to shoot. The decocker models break springs way too frequently.
@@hansblitz7770 They got grip feel that's pretty much nearly the same as hi-powers. In an uncouth way, they feel like grabbing your own bits. Just that intuitive.
I'm a Sig shooter but I love CZ's only slightly less than Sigs.
The cz-75 is nice but it's no glock
@Common Sense Realist good thing I'm not buying a glock to impress but rather to protect my life.
If you have a BMW, with a mean ass pitbull and a pimped out gun to make you look fancy or mean then good for you, we all need something to make us feel good about ourselves, me I'm a simpleton and like the simplistic reliability of a glock, i don't need more.
Maybe oneday if finances allow it i will buy some or other good looking fancy gun to shoot at the range but a glock will always be the one i carry to defend my life.
Two of the best in the Business!!
You men are awesome instructors and Mr.Ayoob your revolver reload video from like 8 or 10 years ago still helps this southpaw learn the revolver reload thank you.
my dad was in law enforcement and he carried a model 27 S&W i still have and a chief special which my brother now owns , so much wisdom in these videos
This is the first time I’ve ever heard of Smith guys putting python barrels on their frames. Wow
They called the barrel conv guns "Smolts" or "smythons". They also used to put smith revolver rear sights on 1911s before adjustable sights were common
Same here. Never heard that
They did it for competition, the barrel on the colt had a different twist rate.
@@allenhuebner6251 the python barrels also had a tapered bore, they even mentioned that in the video
Also heard of Python barrels on Rugers, too. They called them Cougers.
Words of pure gold! They harken to the days of fine double action revolvers, the led up to the many fine carry pistols.
I do long for the easy ability of the
revolver to be " personalized" with custom grips, polished internals, and
double action work that is so endearing, plus the wide range of ammunition that revolvers can manage!
What a GREAT and thoroughly enjoyable presentation; I thank you gentlemen (and Bill Wilson) for making these great insights - so decently and harmoniously presented - available.
I’ll be 75 this month, I was raised on K and N Frames, as well as 1911-A1s, and I found SO much with which I agreed in this video. Now, to be clear, my expertise and abilities are non-existent in comparison to these superb professionals, however, I was impressed with their opinions re revolvers and traditional DA/SA autoloaders. I happen to favor the CZ 75-B, but I own and admire the Sig P22X series and the H&K USPs. I’d never before thought of the advantage of a manual safety - like a manual transmission for carjackings - but it makes a great deal of sense.
So, manny thanks!
It is always enjoyable and informational to listen to these two gentlemen discuss weapons.
If you have the money and like revolvers, I've heard great things about the Manurhin MR73, which is now again being imported.
Unbelievable revolver. . if ya got $4k+
Stunning, grail revolver.. Alas.. I will never be able to afford one
I have known about, and understood, the basic theories and opinions of many of the past and present gun writers, shooters and affectionardos in the past in my 64 years on the planet.... but I am looking forward to meeting Mas, Ken, and Bill, very much!
Getting to watch these 2 talk guns is priceless. Thank you so much for this.
Such a treat, i could listen to these professors for hours.
Many of the things I've implemented in my firearms training came from Mas Ayoob over two decades ago and most still stand firm in the firearms community today. A plethora of knowledge from these two. Great video.
I like this 2 relics they have a lot of experience
The revolver saved me three times over the course of my 30 years & my EDC in retirement is the 340PD, or LCP, depending on circumstances.
People can say what they want about revolvers, I guarantee you this though - none of those bad mouthing them would volunteer to stand at the business end of a loaded one.
I wouldn't stand at the loaded end of a .25acp Lorcin either.
@@kuuryotwo5153 Pretty sure nobody with enough brain cells would want to be on the business end of anything from a .22 up to a 12 gauge.
Every firearm has their uses, so long as the person holding it understands the pros and cons of what they’re using and also understand their own skill level with that firearm, that’s really all that should matter, instead of people badmouthing each other’s choice of self defense weapon.
Frankly I consider the folks badmouthing revolvers to be no different than the folks that think they can shrug off a “mediocre” .380 or 9mm round before plugging the other guy with their “man stopping” round of choice.
@@kuuryotwo5153 Dumb reply and those answering our dumber. A prudent man would not stand for any such nonsense!
Regarding both choices of EDC weapons, each are lacking. The .357 is a fine round but not in that gun, the LCP is just plain lacking in every respect.
What a privilege to have access to these gentlemen.
Man, I can just watch these videos for hours. Just the knowledge gained from watching is amazing. Please, do more of these videos! We love 'em!
Glad Mas is still sharing knowledge. Did LFI 1 in '93 and had some personal experience with him. Did the course with an H&K USP in .40 S&W.
Love my 1911s u guys always have good conversation and tips for gun maintenance and just good talks about the gun world
Thank you gentlemen for letting me sit in on an excellent conversation. Thank you Bill Wilson for all you do for the shooting sports.
Love the wheelguns 686 plus 4 inch, 640 centennial can’t go wrong
I started out as a young police officer in 1974 carrying a S&W .38 special 4 inch and a chief’s special as off duty and backup. I purchased a S&W model 28 4 inch and carried it. In 1978 I graduated from the FBI academy and we were issued 3” S&W I think in .38 special. As soon as I could I got my model 28 approved for carry when I went to my first office. Of course I couldn’t shine either of these gentleman’s shoes, but I sure enjoy watching them.
The secret to the PPK is to shoot it in .32acp. All of those complaints go out the window and it’s a very comfortable and accurate gun to shoot.
Another secret to avoid PPK slide-bite is a SNUG simple slip-on rubber grip sleeve with one or two finger grooves. This gives much leverage during firing to keep the frame tang from tipping down...........................elsullo
Thanks guys. Enjoyed the discussion immensely.
Two legends here.
Great interview from two legendary shooters. My sincere thanks to both of you gentlemen.
Our pleasure!
Awesome talk! Good to hear GP100 mentioned, that was my first handgun. Lol@“Smolt”
In 2006 I purchased a new, unused Ruger GPNY .38spl revolver. Ruger made it for the NYPD 👮🏻♂️ in 1991 but the firearm was never delivered. The union & NYPD went to new Glock, S&W 9mm sidearms. The GP 6 shot had a spurless DA only design. The robust GPNY rode in a Bianchi UM84R or black Blade tech left hand holster.
very amusing to me, I wrote+directed a mockumentary in film school (15 years ago) called "SMOLT" - it was a brand of cigarettes (that I made up)
Mine too. Built like a tank!
4 inch SP 101 in .357 is my off duty carry.
In 1993,as I changed from full time to part time security,my boss told me that I was now eligible to get my Tennessee armed guard certification.With my last full time guard paycheck($350.00),I bought a 4" stainless Ruger GP 100 with adjustable sights just because I liked the way that they looked.The only mod it had was a set of Uncle Mike's grips to fill in under the trigger guard so it wouldn't beat up my middle finger.
In the state run training,I was told that I was the first revolver guy they'd seen in months,that most people were bringing autoloaders.
That gun was stolen in 1997,as was its replacement in 2005.I want them both back.
I could sit and listen for days. Thank you
I carry a Kahr P45, but I use a S&W 659 that I converted to DAO for range work. This conversation tells me it was a good investment of time and money.
I too value the Kahr DAO most of all! That utterly safe, never cocked until full trigger pull, which is smooth like BUTTER. I had the original K9 all steel and soft rubber grip model---wonderful gun!...........................elsullo
Mr Mussad, your knowledge is inspiring. While I’ve never been a Barreta fan and won’t be, I still think the world of the Colt Python as my favorite wheel gun. The 1911 is still my favorite .45 although the .45 Glock is a close second. The videos with you rock!
Always enjoy the guns guy episode, a treasure of knowledge and experience.
Smolts! What a blast from the past. I remember reading about them in gun magazines in the early '80s when I was a kid and first getting seriously interested in guns.
Thanks for the interesting chat.
Something I learned years ago and I've instilled in my kids is to listen to the old guys. Keep your mouth shut and your ears open and you can learn a lot.
A 20 minute video, about Massad Ayoob’s favorite pistols. Which, as usual, contains 15 minutes of Hackathorn talking over him.
I absolutely love watching these videos with you two legends. I grew up from the 1980s on (age 55) reading and watching you two (and others) and it’s so nice to get these candid “inside baseball” moments with you. Please continue with these videos. Thanks.
Great show and great folks here. See you soon in MI, Mas.
At the start, i got the impressions this was going to be epic.
This is important history.
Robert Maxwell buying McGraw hill publishing in 94 is important. Watching child molesters talk about guns is not
5:38 Massad's favorite revolver: Smith & Wesson; Bob Lloyd Custom 4" 686 or a 4" model 64; for 2-3 years shot the (Ruger) GP 100. It's like Ford vs Chevy. Single favorite revolver: (S&W) 6" Model 27. 7:48 The Colt Python would very slightly outshoot the Smith & Wesson on the bench, though. The Python had a 1/1,000" taper toward the end that enabled more effective rifling.
8:50 Autopistol: "Certainly the (Colt) 1911." Bad: Walther PPK (bit the hand) and Luger (horrible trigger and sights; backward, unreachable safety) were both "terrible disappointments" despite his boyhood dreams of shooting them. Liked Browning High Power; known to fit the hand well. Also was good for part and magazine availability worldwide in the 1980s; today, that role's filled by Glock.
10:02 Favorite Glock: the Glock 30. Fits the hand well. Glock 45s are the most accurate of the Glocks. The Glock 30 tends to outshoot the bigger Glock 21.
11:40 Favorite 45 round: Atlanta Arms 230 grain IPSC load; tiny bit softer than 45 hardball.
13:20 Thoughts on Beretta 92. Army adopted Massad's "stress fire" system in the early 1990s, and that's how he became familiar with the Beretta (aka M9). A bit fat for the hand, but quite accurate. Good idea: spend a month shooting a double-action trigger; will teach trigger pressure.
16:33 Insight on striker-fire pistols: like or dislike? "Learned to live with it." Can cause confusion in a tense moment with bad guys if the good guy can't immediately tell if the weapon is ready to fire. Able to identify 13 troopers in a convocation of > 1,100 who were likely alive because of the ability to drop the magazine and place weapon on safe as there was a struggle for their weapon; this seems to be a primary advantage of "autopistols" over revolvers. 19:06 Sig Sauer 320 vs (military) M17 - manual safeties preferred in these for that same reason
My every day carry is my S&W 38 special ultralite revolver with the red dot. Fits my hand perfectly. Very comfortable gun for a female. I always recommend this to my female friends who want to get a gun for the 1st time.
@Common Sense Realist 🥰 it's awesome