The High-Ladder OU Stall Experience
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- Опубликовано: 16 янв 2020
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Stall is fun. Fun to play and especially fun to smash. You've got to be a lot more methodical than with offense, mostly because your team of one or two breakers needs to handle six walls, with at least one of them serving as a hard counter. To win, you need to be applying as much pressure on anything that can take a hit from a breaker. Heatran spamming Lava Plume, sacrificing Greninja to get up spikes and other plays may seem like bad decisions, but the burns, chip and hazard damage go a long way in weakening the opponent's team even if nothing faints. It's very, very easy to overextend against stall, that risky play may seem great, but if your breaker gets burned by scald or takes too much chip to be able to come back in, it's game over, even if you managed to get a KO or two. Conditioning, safe reads, spreading damage and patience is how you beat stall, and if a sweep attempt isn't working, call it off! Had I stayed in on Quagsire after Zen Headbutt missed, I could've eaten a 30% scald burn that would've ended the game then and there. The safe option, bring in Tapu Fini to set up status-blocking Misty Terrain, and then the much bulkier Golisopod to take one and recover with banded Leech Life ultimately preserved Medicham and got some decent damage off that was instrumental for taking down Quagsire later, instead of maybe doing some damage now, guarantee the win later.
stall vs stall is absolute satan tho
This was at the mid 1700's on the ladder, and is the first time i've seen a stall player not play like ass and still lose. Replay: replay.pokemonshowdown.com/ge...
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most HO vs HO or HO vs balance are all about those moment to moment plays, that one turn that turns it all on its head. this trains you perfectly to lose against stall, where it’s all about pressuring your opponent consistently- but not too much that you lose someone important- but not too little that your Pokémon are starved for hp- JUST enough, for 30-150 turns.
This post is 100% pure facts
I don't know why people play stall, it's so boring and stressful
@@thefaberschannel124 free ladder points when you face unprepared players
@@artolas yea but it adds very little to your in-game skill in my opinion
@@thefaberschannel124 i agree that your statement is correct but stall is sometimes very hard to play. stall players need to deal with various stall breakers (mega gardevoir,lopunny,medicham, mawile and others) a«and it takes some difficult mindgames sometimes too.
This is why you run earth power on heatran
This is why you run taunt prankster
@@aitusai If only Sableye-Mega were tauntable...
@@AZV0108 that's why you run mold breaker taunt
@@samuelfaille-denis8098 this is why scrappy was put on mega lopunny
That’s the real lesson here
my personal record is 1783 turns took over 3 hours, i feel the stall v stall
the important question is did you have fun
was gen 5 nu sand stall vs gen 5 nu sand stall, there was no fun to be had
@@austinhensley6553 well, at least..... at least... right
Did you win?
Do you have cancer ?
OH! This is why you weren't uploading! You were fighting RUclips in a stall vs stall match!
i absolutely love the bass boosted Guzma theme when Golisopod does anything at all
“Wait, it’s all switching”
“Always has been”
*THIS IS WHY TAUNT IS USED*
No speak hm slave
THIS IS WHY MAGIC BOUNCE MEGA SABLEYE IS USED
@@ericlee2433 *THIS IS WHY MEGAS WERE REMOVED*
So u can still use magic bounce Xatu? Right..
@@HailieSelassII020 You can, but it is inferior to the megas that have magic bounce... Xatu pretty good in Gen 8 PU!
I understand the pain of stall, but that player, like it or not, knows how to stall well. They played well enough a few misplays on your part would mean a win for them
Imagine learning how to play stall as opposed to learning how to play literally anything else though
Watching the enemies rage is absolutely worth it though.
What is so wrong with stall though?
@@shpaghettishpaghetti6219 boring and frustrating to play against, but effective and smart to use nonetheless.
@@shpaghettishpaghetti6219 it’s not fun
I come here everytime I lose to stall, just to release pressure watching stall getting ass-slapped.
I hate how over the generations stall went from "wear you opponent down with hazards status and chip while using you type advatage for reads" (basically an aggro team that kills quick, but uses things that AREN'T attacks to do so) to "prevent your opponent from getting anything done for as long as possible and only try to do any damage when you are COMPLETELY SURE you wont be punished" (pp stall first, actually ENDING THE GAME second). Not to mention the fact that while they were almost always a part of SOME of these teams, chansey/blissey + invincible-phys-wall cores have become the norm (I.E. They dont care about typing, just if a move is physical or special). I mean, WHY do you have spore on your amoongus if you cant take advantage of it by setting up hazzards, boosts OR damage? It just stops you from landing toxics on that pokemon to ACTUALLY KILL THEM. I mostly blame it on defog, just brainlessly removing hazzards, which both made hazzard based gameplay nigh impossible for slower teams and gave people a way of simply removing an opponents damage source inadvertantly BUFFING this kind of play! Like, how cool it would be if stall relied on predicting hazzards correctly and bouncing them with a sableye switch rather than just defoging every other turn and using magic bounce as nothing more than a "get out of toxic free card". But thats just my opinion as an ex-stall player/main who liked when stall could end games in
this is the most coherent and based anti stall post i've read
will admit, the most fun i've had with stall is when you play it fully unga bunga and do shit like make crazy offensive reads with tanks like Mega Aggron or even with seismic toss Chansey
@@kierany9 Thank you my good sir and/or madam!
But does aggron really count as stall? It's more of a bruiser, what with the attack stat rivaling landorous and lacking recovery.
@@joghnythegurue2710 The rest of the team was Chansey/Wish+Protect Clef/Alomomola/defensive Mew/defensive Zapdos, that's semi-stall at least.
@@kierany9 Well that depends, YOU COULD'VE been running assault vest or choice band mola! /s
(though AV mola is OPAF)
I have never been so mad watching a match of Pokémon Showdown
84 turns just to lose one Pokémon lol.
I think the stall player's biggest mistake is letting Zapdos worn down, Zapdos could've extended the game a bit if SR and 2 Spikes weren't up
Love the pokemon content. Your editing skills are awesome
Yo wait a sec! In the few months that I have been subscribed to you, I never realized that I've actually played you several times on Showdown. Still, good to see you uploading again. And I dont care what gen it is, if your beating Stall, its GOLD.
For this reason, I would really love to see a bulky mon with Pressure that's able to stall like Suicune to get the PP advantage, or even see Spite to come into use!
Pyukumuku uses spite sometimes
Honestly, after rewatching this video multiple times for over a year and reading through all of the comments, I still love to rewatch it to give me an insight on a Gen I haven't played in 2 years on a team style that I never use. This might be one of your greatest videos yet
Man I do not have the patience for stall. I forfeit immediately
Use a fat bue decently fast taunt Pokémon. Destroys stall. Like max speed max sp.attack Heatran with Taunt and lefties. Fucking 0 answers from most stallers
@@yareyaredaze9450 mega sableye with magic bounce
@@vdd1001 modest magma Storm heatran can 2hko mega sableye, but it's not very reliable because of low PP and accuracy and it's a low chance to Ko without any prior chip damage. Magma Storm z move heatran will destroy mega Sabeleye, but since it's a ghost type it can switch out of the trap. Heatran doesn't have the movepool beat every single stall mon in one set so you still have to play smart but stall can have a hard time against it because it puts huge pressure on how smartly they play the sableye.
@@dragicmagic9870 I didn't say anything about heatran dropping sableye, I just said taunt isn't always an option if there's a mega sableye. But yeah heatran has the most positive matchup against stall because clefable, blissey and pex can't 1v1 it if it connects magma storm
Unfortunately, this is exactly what they want you to do.
this is genuinely the best showdown editing ive seen. good stuff
Stall: This is a phycological hazard that even the CIA would consider a crime against humanity
this is an absolute masterpiece that deserves so many more views.
I cant even handle a stall blissey or chansey oh lord.............. DOTS INTENSIFY
This is why I don't play competitive. I play games to have fun.
Trust me, playing against stall can be fun. You have to think ahead, not choke, and keep up your momentum. And there is nothing more gratifying than beating stall.
@@triganondorf im just wondering how that guy made those blank nicknames lol
@@oqo3310 Spending an hour and 130 turns just isn’t fun lol
@@musa4574 it’s engaging and actually takes brainpower to defeat lmao. It can feel good, you’ve just gotta have the patience. Stall teams are all about forcing you to lose your cool and make mistakes in hopes of ending the game faster.
@@frogmonger6916 clicking non-effective moves ad nauseum against each other without either party bringing earth power was total brain power there.🙄Seriously, how are you going to tell people their opinion on what’s engaging and condescend by implying that they’re too dumb to know how to deal with it? I’ve beaten stall several times before. It’s obnoxious and there are times where I just immediately forfeit the next opponent that uses stall because I’m not in the mood.
I commend you for being able to actually sit through this
Dude this is so well edited, cheers
When even Motherfucking JEsus Christ of Nazareth is questioning the stall playing style... you know, maybe it isn't all that fun
The Virgin OU Heatran vs Heatran
vs
The Chad Metapod vs Magikarp
Magikarp gets tackle
@@The-Man-of-Pepsi and so does metapod, even electro web iirc
Metapod vs Metapod
2:09 a typical interaction between my mum and dad
And I swore getting to 50ish turns was bad.
Real talk the guy had insane reads
Cathartic to watch you win
I was on edge the entire time.
That was sarcasm. I have never seen such boring gameplay in my life. But I do feel for you man.
I was fighting stall a bit ago and won, only because in 140 turns, there wasnt a single scald burn
Coming back to this video every once in a while :)
This video may be a year old but the "Guzma intensifies" parts had me dying. 😂
That's some great editing there.
Stall matches remember me gen 3 and gen 4 infinite battles, what a good time 10 years ago
2:14 when guzma's theme hits
Quagsire, who is low tier every Generation: How do you do, fellow top tiers?
"say ez aswell" funny cause thats EXACTLY what I would have done
personal record over 500 turns lol that dude was going crazy in the chat
What kind of specs Heatran carries Protect, but not Earth Power?
Stuff like this is why dracovish is my favorite Pokemon, that team would've gotten ripped apart. Stall is not fun to fight against (depending on your team, sometimes you just set up a substitute and win), and like the IoA meta was just so stale and stally that I'm glad CT came out and brought back Kartana and Lando-T.
thats why gen 8 stall just ran a water absorber to deal with vish lol. stall is a reaction to the metagame
@@yaboi6851 1 year later but i find that alot of stall team innovations and stall games in general happen because of volatile Pokémon such as dracovish. Now that gen 8 is more stable stall is actually considered pretty bad despite most games having a slow pace.
that Heatran stall makes me think About Ganondorf laugh in Wind Waker when his dream got shattered
yeah i felt that way everytime i fough stall
4:02 lol this part is so funny
great stuff
Stall is heavily underappreciated.
There's way too many players that have absolutely no patience and talk bad about stall just because they have no clue on how to beat it.
Playing versus stall will truly test just how well you can play the game. It's all about having patience, and not just haphazardly pressing damage buttons.
Your description shows that some people out there understand that playing against stall isn't just a waiting game, and that you can definitely beat it with some good plays.
Your plays were sick and demonstrated you had the knowledge and patience avaliable to you to beat stall.
I play stall all the time, and there's a lot of things regular players might think is bad, such as me staying in on tapu fini as Mega Sableye just to get a knock off on it. But, getting rid of a Tapu Finis leftover is hugely important in dealing with it as a stall player.
People just dont appreciate some good stall.
Stall v stall is the worst though.
Seeing stall destroying a toxic players, or some crazy offense destroying stall with some nuclear plays is what makes the play style most interesting for me
Not wanting to spend more than 100s of turns is not “being to impatient”. It’s ridiculous. It’s the same exact type of play style and it’s suffocating if you don’t have that certain specific sets to deal with. There’s nothing underrated about it. Damn near anyone and their mother run it just to get an easy win and to completely waste your time. That lack of earth power from both parties was ridiculous. What’s remotely strategic about wasting pp and clicking useless moves over and over again?
vip10086: “I CANT TAKE IT ANYMORE! I JUST WANT TO DIE!”
I fought a good stall player and it got to 150 turns before i resigned. The whole time made me wanna unalive myself
Alternate Title: Pain
The Gen 3 SFX are great
I just faced this team with the addition of Shedninja and Blissey it felt almost impossible to beat. Especially because of wonder guard.
I got to 1700 OU in SS and im scared this might be the next thing i encounter
sub nidoking destroys stall
@@G1nSan3 how does it break blissey or her little sister?
@@alexchacha09 Superpower or Focus Punch has been ran on Nidoking as coverage for Blissey.
3:58 is this metapod vs metapod again?
I see that you're a guy of culture.
Well, is the anime good culture to have ?
Anyway the 2 versus are very alike.
Oh this... this is why I play VGC now
“He played well” man had so many chances to fuck ur Cham with sableye. it’s always the best switch but they never did
Actual high-level stall player here. This guy in the vid, in addition to the above critique by Ethan, didn't preserve his zaps, he let gren get up spikes and allowed rocks-if any stall player lets you get up your hazards, they deserve to lose-didn't keep his medi counters at full health, and took way too long to realize the goli was banded (know your freaking calcs man!). Pressure my ass. There were so many free pit stop heals he could've managed during the heatran section, and he just blundered them away…
Much of what it takes to play stall well is knowing when you can sneak in a heal for that blunder you made earlier. Otherwise you'll never last. That and you need to whisper to yourself, repeatedly during the match, "I am cancer. I am cancer. I can just keep recovering…I'm making progress…eventually they'll die." I didn't see that kind of patience from this player.
Still, this stall player was half-decent at least.
What a game
4:07 We’re both bottoms meme:
The biggest bruh for me is when neither of you have earth power. It's a staple for a reason
This is a golisopod household
As someone who only play on occasion I barely deal with this bit when I do... Ugh
Is this just a lesson to use earth power heatran and taunt
As someone who just makes theme teams is a high elo worth putting up with this kinda of crap?
Nothing is worth dealing with this
Absolutely not
Players are not trash at 1700 elo.
Opponent : *Tries to toxic Tapu Fini in Misty Terrian.*
happens to the best of us
4:28 Why is the opposing Heatran switching? It is behind a sub, so it is not immediately threatened by the Golisopod. It could use Magma Storm and see which move the Golisopod is locking itself on (the opponent probably knows it is choice banded at this point). I think I’m missing something though.
waste of pp he magma storms once wasting a magma storm just for golisopod to survive then gets a free waterfall on the switch regardless
You restore hopes that hyper offensive team can also destroy staller team.
Best way to beat stall is to outstall them
Fuck man, that hurt my soul.
When i see the team has, 2/3 stall pokes i just forfeit..
Yeah it’s just a waste of time. More than likely your team will either get pp stalled, die painfully slow to their death, or you get impatient and move on. It’s just a waste of time
I write suck it and forfeit, fucking stalls
I like playing against stall as long as I have the time tbh. Requires rlly careful playing to break through which I enjoy
@@fernandozegarra2637 Sorry, meant to say playing against stall. Using stall doesn't appeal to me at all lol
I just type "Nope, gg" and move on.
I have to say, yes this is old footage, but I absolutely hate it when people use stall just to climb the ladder through cheese, and when someone else is also using a similar or even better stall, this shit never ends. Why can't they make ''balanced'' teams and go with that? That way you won't take damn 130 turns to actually get somewhere and you'd most likely be done in around 40.
HOW IS THIS FUN
WHY THE HELL DID BATON PASS HAVE TO DIE FOR THIS
Switches when he has a sub up lmao
I don't know how it is I didn't discover your channel earlier. But, oh, well, blessed be the RUclips algorithm. You gained a sub mate
I LOVE THE BORING PREDICTABLE GAMEPLAY I ABSOLUTELY AM NOT PLAYING SHOWDOWN FOR
I FUCKING LOVE THE BORING PREDICTABLE GAMEPLAY I ABSOLUTELY AM NOT PLAYING SHOWDOWN FOR
i dont like facing against stall and i dont like play stall either. Clickinng one or two moves over and over and switching occasionally is totally the way that pokemon was intended to be played and is totally very fun for everyone involved
I think the saddest part is at the end where it said: Ladder score (probably) updated. Imagine if it didn’t.
It always does
That's why I dropped Pokémon showdown back in the days, got in top 25 and then mega sableye popped out (6th gen ORAS) tbh I have more fun playing nuzlockes than playing online
nice
Wait, that was only a 6 minute video....
If I wanted to play stall I’d just play chess.
First Pokémon dies on turn 85 LMAOOO *closes the video*
im a big stall player but i need to learn more tank Pokémon lol
Stall is fun. Stall is fresh. Stall is a way of life. Don't you love your life? Stall=life. Life, Stall,Life;STAALL. Error. ATTTT STALL! STAll Life StAif.....
LMAO the cs go headshot sound
This is what made me fall out of love with competetive pokemon batteling... I frikkin hate stall
I just want to know what sounds when Golispood punches hard
music's in the description
"Battle! Guzma - Pokémon Sun and Moon Soundtrack" but extremely bass-boosted
132 turns is pretty normal. Not even breaking 180.
Amh not even the infinity turn leftovers Wobbufet mirror match up from before they stopped shadow tag from working on other shadow tag pokemon.(struggle from Wobbufet does so little damage that the leftovers heals it back up to full and neither Wobuffet can switch out due to the opposing shadow tag)
My record was 300 something and it went on for I think 1 hr and it’s was ORAS. The depressing part is that I finally broke through and was gonna win, then my mouse on my computer stop working for some reason and I lost to inactivity. It was fine the next match which is what got me even more upset
Give yourself a pat on the back for handling this for an hour
meanwhile in Konami....
Meme deck users = * it's so weird seeing it from other side*
meta deck users = *inaudible screeching*
Really good video-music-format, change font color plz
As someone who's totally outside of competitive Pokemon, what was the win condition for that stall team? Stealth rocks killing the opponent? Or the opponent forfeiting?
Attrition, usually through stealth rocks, burning the physical sweepers, poisoning the bulkier Pokémon and generally "not losing". Stall teams usually have something that can wall everything on an opposing team, they win by outplaying the opponent and denying as much momentum as possible. Ash-Greninja can sweep a team but if you switch into Amoongus on it five or six times then it's out of hydro pumps. Likewise, if Mega Medicham takes a burn or takes 50% by missing a HJK you're now risking a loss.
Basically, the stall player's goal is to get the offense player to use up all their resources, a lot of times, forfeits are often because a player just lost their wincon, they might not lose until forty turns in but the loss is guaranteed.
@@kierany9 Thanks so much for the explanation ^_^ It actually sounds like the kind of strategy I enjoy: playing tanks or otherwise disrupting an enemy's strategy is very enjoyable. That being said, is it a respectable playstyle? Or do stall players get a lot of shit?
@@ZekeGenter You'll absolutely get a lot of shit on the ladder but it's legit in the sense that at high level it's considered fair. Although one thing is that stall takes a lot longer to play due to the sheer number of turns, and if you take 30 seconds per turn because you don't know what you're doing then that's just poor sportsmanship.
yo wassup i'm on that video i'm pplopp aight
Imma be honest, reading the massive spectator peanut gallery that shows up do its thing was the most fun part of being high-ladder
@@kierany9 unfortunately they kinda killed that with the auto ticking of the don't allow spectators, which is really a shame
seeing people tilting when you yourself took a break (from tilting) gave me life
SO. MUCH. SWITCHINGGGGGG AAAAAAAAAAAAA
quagsire :D
Seriously, one pokemon with mean look would've shredded this team :/
I enjoy stall
Exactly why I stopped playing ou lol
why is CTC inspecting your shirt
I don't really experience this because I play on random battles
tbh he wasnt very good never switched in on the hkj with sableye only like once, mega medi would have been dead alot sooner
Sableye only could have switched in once because of rocks, would have been the same result
I thought HDB is savior, but actually help stall even more...
at least mega sableye is gone...