You Should Own A Pistol Caliber Carbine
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- Опубликовано: 9 янв 2023
- You Should Own A Pistol Caliber Carbine
Pistol caliber carbines are great training options for the range Chadd talks through two great options for a pistol caliber carbine. Do you own a pistol caliber carbine? If not, why not?
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I have an Extar EP9, which was about $400 when I got it. It has been extremely reliable for me, and I recommend it to anyone who wants a less expensive PCC!
The EP9 is $450 now and a great option. Highly recommended
I prefer my Extar to my AR9.
Love my Extar!
And it’s available in 45 now
I have a Ruger PC9 rifle, set up for left hand and G19 mags. It also comes with butt spacers to adjust your pull. It’s heavy but shoots great. After about 400 rounds. I’ve had no malfunctions.
It’s like your reading my mind with these videos. I spent a couple hours going back and forth between the Aero precision and Roger websites. Thought I’d sleep on it and boom there you are doing this video. Thank you. I have been really enjoying all of your content learning a lot and and trying to grow mentally, physically and Spiritually. I appreciate it.
I agree with all points covered… Love my AR9 !! Originally built with magwell adapter. Later rebuilt with dedicated 9mm lower.. game changer no doubt. Neither would run with aftermarket drum mag.. fixin to hang it up n shoot it. I think it’s because there’s no metal feed lips like the Glock 33s. The plastic just feels real spongy. Runs flawlessly and accurate with Glock mags.
You should try the CZ Scorpion, super reliable, accurate and great ergos aswell.
I have the Keltec Sub 2000, Gen 2. Absolutely love it!
My sub2000 has been the most used weapon in my family for about 10 years we absolutely couldn't be without it
Sure you could.
@@Wesmancan It's being used as a figure of speech, smooth brain.
PCC owner here - as stated in the review, definitely the most "funner" weapon in my home & on the range! Get you sum ;)
I got my pc Charger probably 2 years ago, it’s rugged. I enjoy it. I like the fact I can pull the barrel off and it fits in my sling pack.
Been looking into these pistol carbine recently, nice timing. God bless you
I spent about 4 months looking and I went with a PSA AKV. I was going to go with their AR version because it can run standard glock mags and the price range with mods is very budget friendly
I have the PSA 4.5” ARP9 and I love it. Upgraded to a polished trigger group, breeks arms war hammer charging handle, SB3 pistol brace, holosun open reticle prism and timber creek hand-stop.
I forgot to mention have over 1,000 rounds with zero malfunctions. I run 33rd glock mags and I haven’t cleaned it yet.
Good video. I have the RUGER PC chassis full size carbine with a HOLOSUN AEMS circle/dot sight on the barrel Pic rail.
TIP: get a TANDEMKROSS or TACCOM dual lever ambidextrous safety to replace the awkward RUGER button safety. Makes the PC series much easier to run.
Everyone needs a PCC option in their bag. Mine is a Scorpion EVO 3 S1
On my rugger 22 charger I removed the back cap and added a sling attachment with room up front for a small laser light
I have a 92x RDO compact, paired with my Beretta CX4 Storm, same mags of course. The CX4 is FULLY AMBIDEXTROUS, (for the lefties) out there. It's been out for 20 years, I just got mine 2 years ago, absolutely love it. I do wish Beretta would update the "take apart" method though, as the bolt assembly will come out after disassembly pin is removed.
I got a Ruger PC Charger almost 2 years ago now and absolutely love it. It's such a cool piece of hardware. Breaks down to a very compact size, shoots great. I put a Midwest Industries handguard as well a muzzle compensator on it. The handguard looks great and adds some more mounting options. I used it to put a light on as well as another m-lok QD point for a 2 point sling.
Personally I'd go for something like this over an AR style 9mm PCC. Super fun to shoot like you mentions, breaks down easily to fit in a backpack, feels incredibly well made. I have an M&P 15 .22 if I want an AR platform to train on cheaply.
OH and I would advise AGAINST SGM Tactical magazines as well. Bought a couple and nothing but constant feed malfunctions. If you're going to go cheap on Glock mags, the 27 round PMAGS seem like the only way to go. I'll take 27 rounds of reliable feeding over 30+ rounds of malfunctions any day.
Small frame AR pattern, SAR 109 from Turkey, light, metal, Colt smg 32 steel mags, 8.3 barrel. Quad rail. Perfect 👍
I had to install a Taccom feedramp in order for my Aero Precision EPC 9 to reliably cycle hollow points... since then, I've put over 200 rounds in it with zero issues
Love my Sig MPX Carbine. Shoots like a dream with a C-More red dot.
I believe this would all into the PDW (w/o fun switch) category vs the PCC as it’s still a pistol & therefore “Pistol” barrel length, not carbine length. Although, the point is still valid. Stribog, Recover Tactical 2020 would be another entry into this Braced Pistol concept/philosophy of use. If you’re looking into the PCC, consider actual Carbines. The KelTec Sub 2000 is an option in that category. Good videos, keep it up!
We've got an AR and our first PCC is the JP Enterprises JP5. Its recoil is so soft, it's just a little harder than a 22lr. This is primarily for competition and so that my kid could train with a firearm with the same manual of arms as my long gun.
But you know what? I still daydream of a compact pcc like that pc charger. Cheers to you sir
The JP5 is $3000. Great trigger, super fast, totally reliable.
Unsure if ive commented before but i picked up a pc charger and youre right. The gun is wonderful and would gladly pick it up again.
Cool review, thanks! I love my Ruger 10-22 I bought with my own money as a teenager. It's old but never failed. I'll look deeper into the Ruger PC Charger just for the reliability of my 10-22. God Bless...
The FM 8oz buffer and 308 spring. Will tame that down considerably. And for the FM 45 ACP use their 13 Oz buffer. With a 230 grain projectiles at kicks less than the 9mm.
I purchased the S&W M&P FPC. One of the most accurate guns I've ever shot. Give it a try. I like it too because it gives of some awesome looking MG-42 vibes. But seriously for a close quarter combat weapon you'll hit whatever you point it at.
You are correct about the accuracy. Great piece.
Glad to see you endorse any PCC. I think they’re so fun, but I wouldn’t have expected you to recommend them at all, let alone have favorites.
I just got a AKV 9mm from PSA came with 10 standard Magazines for just under 1k. It's a great weapon very easy to handle even for my 10 year old. I've got it set up as our vehicle kit.
I LOVE my AK-V!!!! I've never had a single malfunction and the mags are cheap!! Got those stacked deep
Have you had any issues with the PSA AKV accidentally bump firing when you're not trying to?
Own a CZ Scorpion and it has been excellent. My wife and kids love shooting it as well. That Ruger looks like an excellent package.
Don't change the trigger, my buddies had a out of battery because he put a Timney trigger in it, blew up in his hand. broke in two pieces, luckily he only cut his hand. He went with a PSA ARV9 because it uses the same magazines and it has been reliable so far.
I love my Charger, I love the fact that you can move the charging handle and mag release to either side. I set mine up with the charging handle on the left and the mag release on the right. It took a little time to get used to. The only drawback is the location of the safety.
It's a training thing. As someone who has a 10/22 and pc carbine... it's natural.
once you put a binary trigger in it the safety flip is almost natural
I own the CZ Scorpion and absolutely love it. Only gripe is the trigger, even after a new spring.
I've got a KelTec sub2000 9mm & I love it for what it is. No malfunctions & isn't ammo picky
It's reliable as can be but you have to remove optics to fold it, for that reason I prefer the Smith M&P FSP of those two. Now though I'm going to check out this Ruger. ;
@@bailey9r Yea thats the only thing I don't like about it. I just run the factory irons on it & it does well!
True, and now you mention it I prob would anyway as well ;
I love my CZ Scorpion evo S3 even more! Great video brother - god bless
Thank you for the presentation.
I have a Sig MPX SBR. Id really like to get a 45 PCC for home defense. I currently have a 300 blk out for that role. But that is a bit too much for our small house.
I have a PSA AKV and an Extar EP9 the 1st gen. I love them both! Now I want a KRISS Vector 10mm.
Have a Brigade Bm9 with a fostech trigger... love it .. good video brother 👍 stay safe.. Airborne out.
I've used Amend2 for my G17 and G43. They are only used for training now.
7:17 As an Alabamian myself...."Funner" is a real word.
After all - what’s better than fun? Funner!
@@joshroten3997 Couldn't have said it betterer myself.
Great great video... watched it a few times, just because. Was running some similar equipment last night. The Charger controls can be swapped to either side. Also, 😏 certain trigger job gives it an ambi three position switch for additional benefits. DISCLAIMER: Mind your local laws of course. Not worth getting in trouble over a trigger.
the ruger was on my grocery list for town, but with the bills being presented to ban every lead propeller in sight, the pistol brace weapons are up for the kill and has turned my grocery list into a handful of bruised bananas. I guess having a flintlock with balls n powder is better than nothing........love your channel your great!!!
Jawbone makes a magazine release lever that makes the controls feel similar to an AR-15.
Franklin Armory also makes a Binary trigger for the Ruger PC Charger.
I stuck a laser and light on it to make it easier for my wife and kids to shoot it and hit.
It's a great $400-$500 rifle and for home defense.
I did a little pcc showdown of my own. I personally like the Kp9. And feel free to insult me but I really like the recover tactical 20/20 with a Glock 17 in it, and that is my personal favorite due to its size and I trust the Glock to shoot when I command it to. There are so many PCC you gotta find what fits your body and your price range
I saw someone throw a tandemcross comp on the front. Did a noticeable job eliminating some muzzle rise.
I prefer my PSA AR-9, I built it that utilizes a 9mm upper, and a AR-15 lower. I use Endomags that are 5.56, but with 9mm guts. I also use a Law tactical folding stock so its very compact. I like the AR platform as everything is familiar. It feeds well, and have also used an FRT which is fun, but the novelty wore off quickly so I run it with a 5lb trigger and makes more economical sense when it comes to ammo. I sometimes use it as my truck gun. Good stuff Chadd-
I bought a PSA AR 9 and it smashed the rounds. I had it sent back three separate times and eventually I gave up on it.
The Ruger PC charger is 5.5 pounds empty... so still not too bad to throw in the backpack. They are a little front heavy and I think Ruger can easily take a pound off in version 2.0 but the weight minimizes recoil.
thanks for review,keep them coming
PC charger with folding brace, PA Slx Micro, binary trigger, flashlight of choice, and glock magazines is where it's at.
i put 11oz buffer in my AR9 and it smoothed it out and tamed the recoil
Also, a good way to practice on the AR15 cheaply is to use CMMG's .22lr converter. Good enough for close range practice. Not particularly reliable, but it's practice and not a special forces operation.
Great video. I like this guy's attitude. I have two straight blow back AR style PCCs, one in 9mm and the other in 45 ACP. I have found the blow back weapons to be sensitive to ammo, esp. the 45. I get the 45 running like a top with steel-cased Russian ammo, but then I shoot Viet Nam era surplus ammo and it fails with the same setup (short-stroke FTF). You have to optimize it for the lowest power ammo. That's fine, except the muzzle rise is now more noticeable with the hotter ammo. In the 9mm I use Colt style stick mags. In the 45 I use Glock mags because the choices there are very limited. I like the Colt mags much better because the controls, including the mag release, are identical to the AR. Now, If you want something that is softer shooting, and more reliable, the CMMG radial-delayed blowback is fantastic! I have two of those as well (also 9mm and 45). Finally, The PC charger is on my list. Looks like a lot of fun with the folding stock ;)
Got the Keltec sub2000 and I haven’t shit it yet. Just cool to have a pcc that will reach out a bit better than a pistol but not a full rifle size. Good truck or backpack weapon and the Glock mag comparability helps
Hell yea PCC review was great thanks man.
I was an early adopter of the PCC culture like 8-9 years ago and now have the PC Charger, AKV, Extar, AR .223 Pistol, M85 PAP, PTR-9, Century arm UZI…and I think I’m done for now…oops forgot about the PPS-43 (7.62 x 25)..😜🇺🇸Extar uses the Glock mags too..
My FM AR9 is 1 of my fav rifles to shoot. Extremely accurate and reliable. Runs Glock mags, has last round bolt hold open and the Bolt catch release is 1.3mm thicker than Mill spec which is a common fail point on AR9 builds.
I like foxtrot mikes offerings its my bump in night gat for a reason ( apartment )
@@elsenorloco84 mine as well. I have the 7” barrel with built in tri-lug. It’s in SBR form. Added a YHM R9 suppressor. Only upgrade were the trigger, SpringCo orange spring and swap the 6.4oz buffer with the FM 7.5oz to better handle 147gr loads suppressed. Then I added a surefire light and Holosun red dot.
great video, throw a folding stock and a 5.5 in barrel on the aero and you've got a micro Ar9! thanks for the video as always, no nonsense review
The EPC-9 having the same controls as an AR to get the practice in is a gamechanger! I never knew something like this existed!
Do any other companies make PCCs with the same controls as an AR?
Sig and dd do for sure
Chadd, I have a stainless steel Kel Tec sub 2000 gen 1 in 9mm using Glock mags. I have two 30 round glock mags that work just fine. It fits in my day pack and noone is to the wiser.
CMMG BANSHEE 10 mm paired with a Glock 20, 10mm using Underwood ammo works great for me in the woods. Any opinions are welcome.
ptr 9ct is another great line in pcc with that mp40 feel
Love my little PCC. Under the bed, in the truck or just goofing off at the range.
I love my PC Charger. Great firearm just need to take the time to make a few mods. So much fun to shoot
You should give the CMMG Banshee with their Radial-Delayed blowback action a try. Much milder and smoother recoil than regular-blowback AR9's.
Man, I want a Banshee BAD!
@@mattschmitt9924 i have their radial delayed blowback bolt and barrel in both 16"which I use for a competition PCC, and the 5" that i use with an SBR lower so I have a small suppressed semi-auto 'subgun'. Both with the Pmag 9mm adapter inserts specifically for the CMMG.
Both really nice shooters.
Helpful, thanks
Awesome, thank you!
I absolutely love my APC9, sweet shooter and reaches out to the absolute limits of 9mm
I think a pcc in a couple of your pistol calibers that you have most ammo for would be great if you run out or low on 556. And really a good truck rifle would be a pcc in the caliber you carry concealed and make sure it takes same mags
Aero EPC-9 all day. I have an 8.5” and it’s soooo fun.
I have a .45 banshee. I wish I had gotten the 8 inch barrel instead of the 5 inch. But I like it. It does the job I needed it to do. Coyotes in the backyard go down with ease and didn't want a 5.56 when I already have a .308
I’ve got 9milly and I feel same way got the 5. Don’t regret the purchase I still love the gun but give me time machine I’m buying the 8.
Chadd, I love the Ruger PC4.. with the adapter it takes my Glock Magazines, which makes it a very useful tool
I was really interested in buying a Ruger PCC or PC Charger until I started looking up extractor issues with them.
Always loved the ruger it's build as simple as akay yano it will always work
That is the holster i least expected you would be using!
“without being cleaned” very important for me - I’m a PC Charger guy
my wife loves her new FPC Smith and Wesson 9 mm carbine she gets intimidated with small handguns or larger caliber rifles and yet at 75 yards she’s hitting steel eight out of 10 times with a red dot I would have her watching my back with a PCC anytime at close range.
CMMG Banshee for the WIN as you get the best of both worlds. The same manual of arms as your AR15 and the radially delayed blowback bolt mechanism mitigates the recoil. Shoot a Banshee alongside someone else's AR9 and you will feel an obvious difference in recoil. And in case you're wondering, my Banshee has been super reliable (like easy over 1K rounds).
I was toying with the idea of putting an 8" banshee 9mm upper on a radian lower, using the cmmg conversion mags for flexibility in case I wanted to change it up down the road. I think the law tactical folding adapter might work too so it could be a travel/truck gun as well as home defense. I hear great things about those banshees.
Yeah if you have the money I'd say a CMMG Banshee or SIG MCX would be the top choice for a 9mm platform with AR controls, plus reduced recoil and better for suppressor use... But the MCX is slightly more expensive and requires pricey dedicated (not glock) magazines so that's definitely a big consideration. So the Banshee wins out unless you have a banshee running colt smg mags or the converted 9mm insert p-mags... Unless I hade crates of quality colt smg mags laying around I'd definitely purchase the glock mag version and avoid the adapted p-mag configuration for anything besides slightly more realistic training, and only for training (the reliability on those 9mm conversation kit p-mags has been significantly worse than dedicated 9mm mags, especially after lots of use, atleast from what I've heard, mainly with bolt lock issues and occasional feed problems) Glock fed Banshee for the win 🏆 😉
Is there a reliable alternative to glock mags?
@@MrJones-bg4sz I've heard the cmmg pmag 9mm conversion mags are reliable while also giving you the option to use a reg lower. Seems like a decent option to me which I plan on exploring this year.
Say what you want, the best for pistol caliber is the CMMG Banshee. But expensive. Amen brother!
I have a CMMG Bansheee in 9mm. And the point he makes about the first gun being so fun to shoot. My CMMG is so fuc to shoot and it drives nails. 😊
Thanks for the gouge Chad!
Infitech in Sweden sells a modified AR15 lower that accepts regular lower parts, to give you AR15 controls.
Love my PCC. It is also a good option/consideration for home defense vs the potential for over-penetration with .223/5.56. My go-to combo is my PCC (that accepts Glock mags) and my G45.
There are test videos showing the 9mm, 45 etc punching through more walls than .223 since they don't break up/fragment.
@@usarmyfl1- Exactly.
If I get a pcc I'd had to get one to accept my Beretta 92fs mags, I've got a few handfuls of them. I don't see myself getting one but a pcc sounds like fun to shoot, I'm happy with my ak47 and two handguns. To plink around and hunting I like using a PCP air rifle they make them up to 30, and 50 caliber.
Look into the Beretta CX4 it was designed just for that.
Sig MPX 8.5 inch all day long. Same AR type controls
Ya thoses pistol carbine conversion kits are freekim sweet so natural feeling light weight! Its a way to make your pistol to be the ultimate all around best option for carriying as truck gun and or self defence gun! I have a fee an i love um! I deer hunted with my rock island 1911. 45cal with the micronnie carbine conversion kit!! I can ring steel consistsntly at 100yds with a 3-4 inch group! That would have been damn ner impossible eith no kit freehand. They allow me to make a very accurate shot on a animale for a quick humaine kill or death.. its stupid that they outlawed them in certin areas here in the states. But ya! You can flat het some work done! With them!! Sooo fun an easy to shoot❤
Thanks Chad
There are test videos showing the 9mm, 45 etc punching through more walls than .223 since they don't break up/fragment.
Thank you, and I always enjoy your presentations. What gun is that you are wearing, Sir? Also, do you carry any caliber besides .9mm? Again, thank you for your outstanding presentations.
Not big fan of pistol caliber carbines but this was a very good review.
Thanks for doing the Ruger. Never gets included in the RUclips crowd. Mine has been awesome. And only $625. Plus takes the glock mags we all have laying everywhere.
God bless you, Thank you
I love my Charger. With a Romeo 5 it's an affordable tack driver.
Thanks Chadd
Ruger Pc Carbine is a underrated gun.
Please do another vid later down the road on the AR 9 to see how it was. And unless I missed it I’d it a 10.5 “
Good show!
Thank you..
My Aero EPC9 didn't like the Amend2 mags either, I also had to trash mine.
What are your thoughts on just getting a MCK | Micro Conversion Kit for your 9mm? Another Awesome Video! Thanks!
I've had good luck with glock mags (obviously) and KCI brand
Love all your stuff ery informative, but I am seeing a difference in sidearms that yourwearing vary from videos recently,
can you please tell me what your your go to side arm pistol is that you would choose in a shtf senario had to flee your domain type scenario, I thought it was a glock ? Thank you. . .
Any issues with the LRBHO on the Aero? Bolt never says open for me after last round. Any suggestions? Great video man. Keep it up.
Good video. Those do look fun not super practical but fun