9mm Carbine for Home Defense?
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In this video we test the practicality of a 9mm carbine for home defense, specifically an integrally suppressed Spikes Tactical Brown Recluse, with a variety of different offerings from Lehigh Defense as well as more standard ammunition. Is a 9mm a viable option for a home defense scenario, stay put and find out. Stay tuned, much more on the way.
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I REALLY like the concept of the carbine/pistol pairing. You only need one caliber and matching magazines for both weapons. It's not only efficient but easy on your ammo cache.
I like this Seth Rogan better
His Weskerness not everyone can afford to have Seth Rogan defend their home though.
Creeper...
😂😂😂😂
Seth Rogan went bat shit leftist.
My favorite quote from this video:"Gettin' shot is gettin' shot."
“Ideal setup for home defense”
Midrange scope mounted
Because tactical
Don Hate Long range ballistic bowie machete
@@ciroc_lobster4052 with an extended mag
He's a roof camper.
Bro what if you gotta take those long bombs lol
I always figured if the police and the military thought a 9mm pistol was good enough for personal defence then a 9mm carbine should be more than enough for personal home defence.
+Snadzies More than enough? I doubt it. The reason a pistol is considered "enough" is that it is as much gun as cops can conveniently carry on their hips without scaring everyone and/or escalating a situation with a shotgun or rifle in their hands. And for soldiers, it's all they'd care to carry as a backup weapon--a second rifle would be too heavy and bulky. For fighting they'd all much rather use their long guns, but if a pistol is all they have (cops being separated from their vehicles, or soldiers running out of rifle ammo or having a rifle they've used hard malfunction), then they'll resort to using it.
A home defense situation is different, unless you happen to carry a pistol on your hip all the time (some people do) and are caught outside your home. If in the more likely scenario you are alerted/awakened by the sound of a forced entry into your home, you should use as much gun as you can, just like the police and military would (given a choice), and for most people that would mean a shotgun or rifle/carbine (using centerfire rifle-caliber ammunition) with a reasonable barrel length for maneuverability. I'm not saying that there aren't legitimate reasons for preferring pistols (e.g. maximum maneuverability) or pistol-caliber carbines (maximum controllability and much less blast), but the trade-off is significantly less effectiveness per shot. It may be barely "enough" but it's not nearly as good as the other common options in this respect.
Unless we're talking about howitzers or nukes, you can't have more than enough gun--there are just barely enough and full-fledged enough. ;) One center-of-mass hit from a 12-gauge shotgun loaded with #4 buckshot will put the target down, period. You can't say that about pistol-caliber weapons, which require more accurate (or lucky) shot placement and probably multiple shots per target. Choose whichever option suits you and your situation the best overall, but keep in mind the difference in power and per-shot effectiveness, for which pistol-caliber weapons are only barely enough, not more than enough.
Snadzies exactly, it is a very good choice
There are many reasons that 9mm was chosen as standard NATO pistol round. It was, as these things are, as much a political and cost/benefit analysis as effective tiveness!
The 7.62 over 5.56, is a case in note. M14 v FN FAL is another.
I used a 9mm SMG in service. Hated being outgunned by proper rifles!
To use such weapons effectively each and every time needs training and continual practice!
Exactly, many SWAT officers prefer using MP5s for a reason.
@@rbrtck If a 9mm carbine isn't working for you then you're likely getting raided by a swat team. You're saying a 30 round double stack mag in a 9mm carbine isnt going to be enough to take down someone in a home invasion? If you shoot that guy once with a 147 grain pdx1 hes going shit a fuckin brick. Idk why people try to be ready for the most ridiculous shit. Well ummmm what if 10 300 lbs guys in body armor run in my home with AKs duct taped to each hand and drum mags?
I built a 9mm AR maybe 5-6 years ago on a Double Diamond lower, sbr with suppressor that takes glock mags. I love this gun and would not hesitate to roll out with it in a shtf situation.
I learned a lot from this video. I have 9mm Glocks for home defense and a 9mm Micro Roni carbine with extended mags. Of course I have all of them loaded with defense rounds to avoid overpenetration. Thanks for this really great video. (Changing my Glock 42 .380 to LeHigh as well.)
To me a good reason to go with an integrally suppressed 9MM like this one is to keep your hearing. 5.56's tend to be very loud and shooting them indoors will likely result in permanent hearing damage without hearing protection.
Nah auditory exclusion and in that moment are you really going to be thinking about your hearing?i think a little tenitis aint gon hurt but you being dead is gonna hurt 1000x more
load it up with liberty defence 50gr 9mm which goes at 2000 fps, it will go through soft body armour !
@dr.doofenshmirtz9501 Just me shooting an AR carbine under a tin roof overhang at my outdoor range with just foam plugs in ears in resulted in 3 days of hearing loss. I use muffs now but I can't even imagine discharging an AR in the house without hearing protection. I bought my 18 yr old son an AR pistol upper for Christmas this year and figured it could be a fun range toy for him but also double for home defense in a pinch. It has a flash can that supposedly sends the blast further downrange. I haven't shot a 9mm ar pistol yet but assume it would be leaps and bounds less detrimental to one's hearing indoors.
So I'm one who actually does consider the sonic blast in the house factor, ha ha. As well as over-penetration into the neighbors' houses.
Just sayin what kind of home requires a 4x zoom sight?
TheGofercat77 .... perhaps there is a hostage situation on the property.
TheGofercat77 Eric's home. He's got 100 yard hallways in his jewtube money mansion.
TheGofercat77 that and what he's show us on the box of Lehigh 65he crewmen defence is a 380auto not a 9mm pause the video
+Julio Noda yeah whats up with that?
a big one..... haha
This was great content. Great job in explaining both ammo and weapon platform. Keep pushing out the info. Thanks to you I will try the Lehigh ammo.
Excellent video! I built a 9mm PVC fit that very reason... Capacity, handling and storage specific to my home environment. I loved the slow-mo! Great demonstrations!
Thank you for informing people guys. Educating people is key.
"Now lets go science"
-Eric 2017
Cali Cowboy needs to be on a t shirt with an American flag and some damn explosions 🤘🏾🇺🇸
Cali Cowboy All we have is Eric now since Bill Nye fell of the science wagon and went for the whole spectrum thing.
Jaime A Vasquez Jr Nuevo didn't just fall of the science wagon. He fell off the planet. I always thought he was a little too tightly wound for his own good.
Jaime A Vasquez Jr fell off the wagon then got ran over by it lol. That guy went total looney. Oh I should add... if you actually look at his studies the guy was far reach from a science major 🤔. Calling him a scientist is like calling me a professional race car driver cause I have a drivers license lol.
john smith I don't think he went loony so much as he saw a chance to be relevant again even if it was through controversy, and the paycheck from Netflix wasn't bad either. Shame really.
I'm a fan of the 9mm carbine and happy to see more testing done with them. Thanks!
CX4 Storm ftw
Always following the channel and learning cool stuff. Thank you, and keep up the great work, we all appreciate your effort and share your passion for firearms.
Love the push for the Hearing Act, keep showing off suppressed stuff!
I saw a video where a .25 ACP went completely through a coconut from 4 feet. Our heads are almost as hard as a coconut. I think it should be used in more ammo tests. Thanks to this video I will now be acquiring a 9mm Carbine for HD. Thanks for showing how good it is.
What I personally would really like to see is several different popular defense rounds in 9mm and how the performance varies between a sub compact pistol, full size pistol, and carbine. Speer Gold Dot, Federal HST, Liberty Civil Defense, Winchester PDX, and others. Do they work as desired in sub compacts, if so does the increase in velocity of a carbine cause them to expand to much? How much velocity is lost out of the smaller guns and do those rounds still expand at the slower velocity? Things like this that will help us choose an ammo based on the barrel length of the firearm we plan on defending ourselves with.
Richard Reagan on you tube look at Shooting the Bulls videos. He did testing on a bunch of 9mm out of compact pistols.
Exactly what I want to see also. This idea makes so much more sense.
Thank you for all the testing you put together.
Thank you ya'll, can't always get out to do this stuff , so it's great that people like you take the time to do it and share it with us !!! I use a 9mm for home defense so does my wife !!! 2/11 A.C.R. !!
Does drywall stop the Lehigh controlled fracturing ammo? And how would it handle out of a CZ Skorpion?
Damn. Great video. Very interesting seeing how ball ammo just penetrates further than you'd want.
But that’s not what you wantbin a home defense situation..
Man you put out awesome videos. Well thought out, and tested. I learned more with video than all the others Ive watched combined! Thank you
Just started your channel, and wanna say that your vids are fantastic. Very informative and helpful!
Can't wait to get myself a 9mm carabine, but a FAL is my top priority right now.
Qsaws What kind of FAL are you going for? That's a cool choice.
L1A1 because they are the cheapest and easiest to find and i'm on a budget. As a Belgian i have to own a FAL. (we can own guns with a sport shooting licence in Belgium, i started last year and already own a 1911-22 & a surplus VZ58)
Qsaws Nice. I've always wanted a FAL. I really want a vz-58 too. Those are underrated here in the us.
I could get a MAS G3 for a good price but it'll be for later, right now i'd rather get a FAL. I love the FAL's design more than the G3 + it's Belgian.
Qsaws just get a 9mm pistol then buy a real rifle. pistol caliber carbines are stupid!
I keep a non-supressed 9 mm AR for home defense. I keep it loaded with 30 rounds of Glasers. I tried them first, and they function flawlessly.
Really cool stuff! Thanks for the video.
You boys always do a very good job! Thank you for your Service!!!
Sou do Brasil e , conteúdo iguais a esse ajudam muito , pois estamos passando por um tempo diferente , teremos liberdade de termos armas , tudo que vir é conteúdo rico para a maioria do cidadão comum igual a mim , obrigado....
Love the Angry Bird spectacular!
Great video! Very Informative!!
im very happy about the science you went behind to demonstrate the carbine; gave me some educational leverage on the next home defence weapon.
Pass 50 state ccw
Gunner Griffin We already have the 2nd Amendment we don't need anything else.
fudds out reeeee
Yes but the 2nd is not respected in many states. We need something to force state governments to respect the law of the land. Perhaps a federal mandate is necessary.
We do, it's called the Constitution. It's been around awhile. Maybe you've heard of it.
Keep dreaming, the leadership of liberal states don't respect anything but money and corruption.
Of love to see how these rounds react going through a short barrel
This is one of the best, most informative videos that I've ever seen. I especially like the way that you presented the information. I'm subscribing. 👍😎
Very informative! Great video, thank you!!
More than 10 rounds in a magazine.. must be nice :(
Myles Hopkins Must be stuck in Commifornia like me?
David Eddy Maryland, so not as bad. We can buy magazines with more than 10 rounds out of state and have them. Just can’t purchase or manufacture within state
Myles Hopkins fight it. This California cancer spreads way too easily!
Sounds like you need a vacation and a big suitcase.
Myles Hopkins it is, move to AZ, where you and your beliefs are always welcome
An optic for home defense... =) because you might need to zoom in so you can shoot him in the right dimple instead of the left one?
yourleftnut1 r/woosh
Well, I need a magnifying optic on my gold rifle because I'm fabulously wealthy and live in a huge mansion, and have to carefully aim around all of the gorgeous, sexy women in bikinis sauntering about. For the rest of you peons, I guess it would be overkill, but you just have no idea how hard I have it when it comes to protecting what's mine.
What? It could be true. How would you know? ;)
Eight Ball Talkin' depends on how big your property is I guess. I personally have vortex spark ARs
yourleftnut1 I don’t think he’s a dumbass. I think they put the optic on there because it looks cool for the thumbnail.
Great video, thanks for the info
Great video. You always do very good work and the information is priceless. I will take a look at the Lehigh Defense products for my home defense needs. I will at least give it a try at the range to give it a fair shake.
I would love to see that same type of test but with 12 and 20 ga shotguns, so they can be compared side by side with each other. Or even a black powder rifle just for kicks.
European home defense: Alarm system
American home defense: Firearm
Russian home defense: tamed bear.
French home defence: metal sharpened baguette
* tamed bear, who’s bearing an Ak
Usa whitehouse defense : secret service with dog
London castle : queens army with weirdo afro hair
Dubai and UAE castle and houses : CHEETAH, LION and TIGER.
Brasilian home defense: nothing to steal.
Argentina home defense:
Such a great video! Love this channel.
GREAT GREAT video, Eric....as always. More of these types of videos, please!
When ball ammo was developed, it was purposely made to penetrate minor barriers and thick clothing. You're a Marine like me, being that I would rather shoot through the "target" than fall short because the purpose build ammo failed to disable the target. Don't get me wrong, I still has the right ammo for the right job on hand. Great video!!!
I'm not even done with the video. Please shoot another exploding angry bird or stuffed animal again. I can't stop laughing.
This × 1,000,000.... HAHAHAHAHA. That was so awesome.
Agreed! I rewound 5x just see it again! Genius idea! So dang funny!
Really cool test! Great video!
Great video especially using the carbine. Gives me alot of insight with my 9mm carbine.
Why was a .380 AUTO load shown? (video at 9:30)
I had an aneurysm when that showed up.
@@rhubarbpie2027 .. Lol
Good catch!
Glad someone else noticed
I was going to ask the same thing. That'd be interesting
Kind of funny how the automatically generated subtitles understand the shooting as "Applause" xD
Lmao, I just turned mine on to see if it worked, and to my pleasant surprise it did lol
This was a awesome video very informative and helpful.
Another great video. Thanks Eric.
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Garret lmao! Right Gun porn is definitely better lmao
Garret ive always wondered if i had a long lost brother. my suspicions are very high right now.
talking about penetration ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
lol
I'd like to see the Ruger carbine. Been looking at that one
The price points epic can't go wrong get some streak ammo
Loved it, great topics and awesome physic demonstrations also ;)
Love your channel bro, I've learned a lot from your knowledge & expertise. Keep up the good work. God Bless : )
I didn’t know Full metal jacket was that badass
Love you guys
But...
Why do indeed a scope for home defense?
I have a ruger pc9, and I love it! It's one of my favorites out of all my guns. It comes with the glock mag well, so you can switch it out and run the 33 fun sticks.
Love your channel guys
I think if an intruder see's that gun set-up you wont even have to fire the gun.. they will just gtfo and run thinking they broke into some spec ops house.. Unless you shoot them first and ask questions later
All you have to do is rack the slide on a 12-gauge shotgun and you don't even need ammo😎
But if that doesn't work just fired two shots in the air😎
@@pjo1964 i would rather shoot the bad guy than a hole in my roof🤷♂️
@@jamesweaver9201 sounds like joe bidden "all you need is a double barrel and to fire two warning shots" 😂
Great video. Not enough channels do different bullet shapes back to back like this one. If you could do more of those that would be awesome. Both popular hand an rifle sizes 👍
Never heard of this gun b4. That's why I love this channel. Very informative and interesting.
Great video, love your videos!
I almost had a panic attack when you showed 380 at 9:30ish
I've seen dozens of GSWs with ball rounds. They blow straight through. Most were non-fatal. I've seen a 9mm go through the exterior wall then through two interior walls then into the neighbors apartment. It then struck a 12 Year old in the neck. Paralyzed from the neck down.
Thank you. This information is critical in helping me understand how to choose and perches the safest, while maintaining effectiveness, ammunition for home defense.
I really enjoy your videos... keep it up!!
Is there a purpose for having magnification for HD? I just don't see it
sooperphattman If anything, a simple red dot is better. I don't understand magnification at hallway distances.
sooperphattman hahah I commented the same before I read yours. iron sights and a mounted light would suffice and is kind to the wallet.
LoneWanderer360 so you can see the flight path of the bullet through the body and light on the other side through the exit wound when you hit the target, duh!
your house just isn't big enough..
its for those long hallways down to the west wing..
and catching them peeking in those 5th story skylights in the great room..lol.
For sure just go with irons.
Even if it's 1x you still might have issues with eye-relief. For HD I would definitely go with a red-dot. Irons aren't that optimal in a dark enviroment, even night sights have a longer acquisition time than a red-dot and in CQC reaction-time is one of the essentials.
correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't a 9mm in a carbine length barrel match .357 magnum velocities?
oddly enough it doesnt do very much in a barrel over 7 inches
All my questions answered. Great vid
Thats a very well done, perfectly thougt out Video! Very nice!
Would love to see this same test in 45acp in a carbine
It wouldn't penetrate as far, so if you really don't want it to over penetrate, you could do .45" hollow point, but it's still possible.
I think Eric does better science than Bill Nye.
U Wot M8 ii
U Wot M8 and they don't force liberal bull down your throat to boot.
U Wot M8 wait so he says that's a 9mm carbine and the box he showes is 380 auto look at the video buddy how is that science
Bill Nye is a mechanical engineer who invented a hydraulic resonance suppressor for 747s and spent countless years educating the public on scientific matters. He's done more important things in one week than your dead ass has done in its entire existence. Climate change doesn't give a fuck if you "believe" or not, snowflake.
But by all means, keep whining about climate change, liberals, Starbucks, the "fake news media" and whatever bullshit conservatives get their panties in a twist over these days. When you're baking to death when it's 106 outside in April a few years down the road, don't cry about Bill Nye. Peace.
Alan Klinzing triggered much?
This was an awesome video bro good job
I enjoyed this excellent video. Thanks.
Can you guys do a review of 5.7x28mm for home defense?
Jon Reyes I carry it for home defense. I highly recommend it.
In case of course the bad guy is head to toe in armor...
Jon Reyes Do a 6.5 Carcano home defense review
Pistol or carbine?
Why? I never understand the value of it especially the civilian rounds, they can't pierce armor and they're basically a 22 mag. Not something I would want to defend myself with
Who needs a scope for your house I wish my house was that big man lol suppressed yea for sure must need bit little bit more of a range queen (this is just me being mad I can't afford something so nice...)
Matt Fleming I think thats a valid observation. Magnification limits field of view/periphery and can slow own target aquision trying to get proper eye relief. A red dot would be much more appropriate
Thanks another great video.
very informative...! Good Job
I run a suppressed MPX SBR myself
kevin S I've been seriously considering getting an mpx, care to share any positives/negatives about them from your perspective? I need something small and light because of my frame
I don't see a lot of negatives to the MPX other than cost and as of right now no aftermarket triggers that I am aware of(some coming out soon). But the quality of a SIG it should be expected. The after market is decent for the MPX and the controls are the same as an AR which is a huge plus IMO. Also there are a few different models available and I have seen a few shops putting out some nice K models to really make it short like the old MP5K. Just a disclaimer that this is all my opinion.
I use a suppressed sbr mpx for my home too. Trigger sucks but I was under the impression that it can accept any AR trigger group
derek lopes it can use some AR triggers. I have seen it take the CMC and the Geiselle SSA. They don't recommend those but they fit and work. However I know both companies have stated they are developing an MPX trigger specifically for the MPX
I broke a SSA at about 3k rounds. Replaced it with a Larue MBT and it supports the MPX and has lasted 5k rounds without a problem
Did we get a malfunction around the 6:40 mark?
Yes ma’am
You mean 6:30
Great video!
Love that lightweight hollow point in a PCC.
lol the bird blowing up made my day :) thanks Eric
would be nice to see how many walls it would go through in the realistic event you miss the bad guy. just to see how many walls it would go through at 15 vs 9mm vs shotgun vs 45acp (which is my night stand gun. so you don't shoot you neighbor.
other than that great video!!
ar 15...223 or 556
Chad Vaninger S&W 500!!! So you can shooth the guy robbing the neighbors house through the wall on the other side of the fridge!!! :D 'Murica!
Well we know a rifle caliber would easily go thru the walls and into your neighbors 9 year old kid. So 9mm or shotgun should be the only thing anyone is using for home defense.
That was a "fowl" on your part
Get it? Angry bird? Bird? Fowl?
I'll see myself out.
Props for all the blocks!
Hey bud that’s an awesome review keep it up
So 380 in a 9mm?
same question...
.380 and 9mm are the same thickness but not the same length so you can shoot .380 in a 9mm gun but it don't always cycle the gun properly.....and don't shoot 9mm in a .380
Dillion W That would NOT be reliable, which is the most important factor in any defense situation. Bad idea
9mm is 9mm in diameter of the projectile, and 19mm is how long the casing is. So 9mm is 9x19, while .380 is 9x17 so the casing is a lot smaller, meaning less power.
I think he meant 9mm at 380 velocity. my question is why have a rifle with a lesser caliber.
Can't believe that cycled a 65 grain 380 round.
it almost didn't
Happy someone else was surprised by this.
Thank you for your reply, kind regards snell
Informative Video. Two Thumbs Up
I want to see more exploding angry birds!
"nothin but net"
😂😂😂😂😂
Great video!
Nice, was looking at the Cz scorpion, but this helped as well.
"bad guys dnt go around naked"😂
I was looking at some 9mm makarov ammo online on Academy yesterday and I saw multiple reviews of the ammo of people complaining that it wouldn't go into their glock or their 30-30 rifle. This scared the crap out of me that someone would be dumb enough to try and run 9mm mak in a rifle. Have any of yall actually known someone that was dumb enough to pull something like this?
Makarov ammo on a glock? K
soapftw96 mak 9x18
Glock 9x19. Sure why not
9 in a 30-30 win. Oh by all means go ahead
If buying a gun required proof of actually knowing how to use it properly, over half the idiots I see in gun stores wouldn’t qualify.
Youtoober Mastapoole has a video on shooting the wrong size bullets.
Would love to see an in-depth comparison of rifle, shotgun, & pistols for home defense. That would be cool
Really well done .