Does Russia’s Newest Combat Rifle Kinda Suck?
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- Опубликовано: 4 апр 2022
- The AK-12 is the newest assault rifle in Russia’s arsenal. The real question though, is it…kinda stinky? Let’s talk about that.
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Well that was quick
Issa nice
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Rifle fine, iron sights good, slant break Prefect
49? Ty
The AK-12 is a perfect example of the military adopting something that has problems which the civilian market has already solved before its adoption
inb4 the AK gets a forward assist
@@Tadokat you mean a table or wall? beat it into submission
@@Tadokat Already has one, it's called the charging handle.
@@jbed6 or mortar that thing with your foot!
I love the accuracy and light recoil of my AR's, but end of the day, AK all the way!
lol is the ak-12 the russian version of the ACU
Basically solving the need for modularity by designing a gun with the illusion of modularity
Typical Russia. Illusion of freedom, illusion of wealth, illusion of power...
The rifle is very modular, but the Russians just didn’t bother modulating it for some reason.
Sounds really russian. Anything here is illusion.
@@kurousagi8155 exactly, the illusion of modularity by way of illusion of choice
🤣😂😂😅
as a man who fought in the Siege of Shanghai and Operation "Dawnbreaker" The AK-12 Saved my life a few times and saved my squad A LOT.
Thank you for your service, better than EA's
No it didn't u hid and cryed like a lil girl saving Private Ryan style
@@aaronbarrance6963 ok
@@aaronbarrance6963 the only one crying here is you lol
is this a video game?
One reason for the short handguard could be that Russians like to use the GP-30 grenadelauncher. It will not fit if the handguard is longer
Another reason is that another option shown has very expensive machined handguard, just not suitable for mass production. In army you need something cheap that still works. But selector still sucks IMAO ))
Так точно, товарищ
Всё правильно
@@fedoresko m16a4 and m4a1, both mass produced, both have metal quad rails. Also, make a GL that mounts to a rail and that's solves both issues
Russians be like: Let's make a new rifle whose main advantage over the other models is more space for customization. Oh yeah, also do not put a single optic on it, iron sight is good enough!
Cod players irl
A lot of the money for the optics was probably lost in corruption. Same as in the case of their fuel and tire problems 💁♂️
niet comrade rifle is fine
1P87s are issued, and not even in small numbers
A lot of the operators that have the choice to get whatever they want on their gun choose the iron sights. Because a red dot is better than irons only at sub-100 meters distances, and actual combat happens usually at distances further than that even in cities. That's for motorized infantry, counterinsurgency/CQC specialized units pretty much all run red dots.
It seems they took "Nyet, Rifle is fine!" To heart after realizing that the dust cover won't hold zero.
They bolt the rail on using the hinge, as opposed to just hoping the dust cover will stay on.
After realizing it won't hold zero y didnt they add like a little metal brace in the handguard under the barrel to hold it or reinforce the handguards or idek shit about making guns but something lol
At that point, just adding more dovetail mounts would have been more efficient.
They just made decision to not buy anything that you would be able to use on that rail... not only there will be no problem with the lack of zero on your aiming device but you can also steal all the money for that extra aiming device... two birds with one stone!🤣
@@bobthebuilder1360 it would hurt the rifle’s accuracy, not that Russians care about that anyway
The "Point, Post, Sprawl" shooting technique we were taught at Ft. Benning "Sand Hill" absolutely calls for posting your magazine directly into the ground and using it as a point to traverse from like a monopod.. At the time they stressed that this was a big policy change.
I didn't think AR mags were even rugged enough for that. They are flimsy as shit. Maybe with the new poly mags it would be okay . But even slight magazine damage is what causes most function issues with ARs. AK mags are fine to use as hammers, on the other hand.
@@justforever96 The increase in accuracy far outweighs the possibility of failure. "Point, Post, Sprawl" Is for fighting over open ground with little to no cover..
I like how the intro suggests that Brandon not only went to an active Ukrainian battlefield, but also shot a man with something that could not penetrate his helmet but instead vaporized him instantly.
I believe it was a helmet from the VSS video
Fake video, the rifle has an optic.
He morbed him out of reality
And of course he'd find the only soldier using an optic
@@cdgonepotatoes4219 lol where are all their damn optics? Did they really sell them all to the American airsoft market or something? You can find plenty of Russian optics online.
I just Wish Brandon would pick me up on the battlefield
I’ll pick you up anywhere ❤️
Big Chimp hetero love, you sexy, RUclips mothergunners.
@@BrandonHerrera 👁👄👁
When do we get a Spiderman-esque kiss?
Personally, I wouldn't want to be picked up by Brandon, cuz I don't swing that way. However, if I was discovered on the battlefield by Brandon, I would feel quite safe. He will probably want to hump my AK instead of me. 😂😂😂😂
Wow, now people will think that we are stealing your video idea.
Funny enough that we, 9hole reviews and you filmed similar content with the same rifle almost on the same day...
but what is really mind-blowing is that we independently came to the same conclusions 😅
I will watch both to see how Vladimir has disgraced my rifle
Probably because the large war going on where this weapon is making it's first major combat debut....
"independently" -_~
These Russian blyat’s had 20 *YEARS* to watch the West and see how to modernize a military.m and they have failed. If you fail to plan your planning to fail.
He made an AK-12 video 4 weeks ago. I thought this video was a re-upload.
They just released an updated version. The main complaint actually was the diopter sights, that always clogged up when in contact with mud. That and that the sight would come loose after maintenance and would have to be recalibrated.
Classic example of "this is brilliant" [ak12]
"but I like this" [Type 1 ak47]
Wouldn't it be the AKM?
Lol, AK-47 was a prototype, and what you think is an AK-47, it is not, it is AKM or smth
@@callofgames3190 arguing over AK nomenclature is exceptionally pointless. just for a quick 1 minute reference the russian wikipedia page on the ak does not mention "47" until talking about how they're known as the "ak47" in the united states.
@@callofgames3190, если не интересоваться оружием. То да, акм и ак 47 весьма похожи. Но по большей части, различие в том что акм более дешевая версия ак 47, потому что часть деталей автомата, сделаны при помощи штамповки. Что уменьшает количество деталей. Значит уменьшает количество деталей, которые могут сломаться. Ну и банально уменьшает затраты на создание автомата, в плане времени соответственно, создание идет быстрее. И ты тратишь меньше денег на производство автомата
@@callofgames3190you have no idea what you are talking about. The AK-47 was the first version with the milled receiver. They made them for years until they perfected that stamped receiver. That's that AKM and they made a lot more of them.
I don't understand why Russia didn't just upgrade their ak74ms with zenico furniture instead of making the ak12.
Valid
Because the AK74Ms are old firearms that are beat to shit from 40 years of service. They’d need to replace them anyway, and buying a new AK74M and upgrading it would probably cost as much as the AK12. There’s only so much you can do with a firearm that has seen continuous service before it just doesn’t perform as well as new ones.
Funny thing is they actually did upgrade with the AK74m3 kit. Railed dust cover and handguard, adjustable stock etc... Not zentico quality but a decent enough upgrade.
as far as i understand its a bunch of internal politics. i've watched a lot of videos in russian and from kalachnikov concern (specially whit vladimir onokoy) and i noticed that every time he was asked about a feature that seemingly doesnt make sense (like the 2rn burst the stock and the flimsy handguard) he will always repond with "thats what the army requested". i think even they know that these decisions are bad.
Maybe just money, large armies require a lot of weapons and cheaper weapons can be given to more soldiers
It’s one of my favorite weapons; I’ve used it extensively in battlefield 4, and I’ve never experienced one malfunction.
bro this is real life
@@personnamed2764 didnt get the joke
@@personnamed2764 no humor?
@@cristi.3057 Just shitting on a bf 4 player as a cod player myself
@@personnamed2764 bf4 PVP is better than all the PVP in all the COD game combined
This is the first version of the AK-12. The new version (it has been released since about 2019) has a different stock and a plastic trigger guard. Fixed issues with the fire translator. Although not everything is possible yet.
there is 2023 version is coming out based on experience of users: no burst and beter fire selector
@@lostline01 скажи по русски. Я так понимаю ты русский.
@@user-kn2oj4ig5j к концу 23 года выйдет обновлённый автомат по отзывам пользователей: без режима огня очередей, другим прицелом, прикладом, цевьём и переводчиком режимов огня
@@lostline01, so the new gun will have only Full Auto or Single Shot? that seems dangerous, in addition to seeming wasteful.
You know Russian conscripts won't ever select Single Shot. They'll select Full Auto & waste their ammo.
Two-Shot fire mode on this gun is for a logical reason. The Russian Army is conscripted for the most part. The Russian Army know that their conscripts won't have much fire discipline, that in battle they're going to naturally react to threats by cooking off bullets at everything rather than reacting calmly & slowing themselves down. That's why this fire mode exists, to force the average infantryman to slow down under duress & keep fire discipline.
@@CoffeeAndPaul You seem to know everything what Russian conscripts would do. Like you are them or something. Weird.
This is the first revision bro, many things have already been fixed including the fire switcher
Так и не решены, многим первый вариант АК-12 нравится больше.
@@_b_x_b_1063 my dad is special forces and says the AR-15 platform is better.
That selector is such a dangerous oversight. If im in combat i want my primary rifle to be much more panic proof.
you are trained to not panic so not needed
@@antotizwell9215 doesn’t matter how much training, people will still panic
@@christianstadler6099 exactly. Those pictures from the front proves this notion not only that, they prove the selector is a problem. Things like that happens when you go to the lowest bidder
@@antotizwell9215 "CONSCRIPT"
@@christianstadler6099 he is just smartassing...
the problem with the hand guard is an underbarrel grenade launcher which is currently issued it is fixed directly on the barrel of the gun and I suppose that changing that would have been even more troublesome
well, as the Russian saying goes "stingy pays twice"
мда, пиздец там сверхразумы сидят...
In Mexico we also have a version of the same phrase
yeah, the handguard is generally very disappointing. Can't do laser stuff for night fighting, not as small and comfy as an AR handguard with similar purposes, doesn't free-float the grenade launcher the way for instance DD RIS II freefloats barrel-mounted M203s, etc.
All it does is eliminate deflection and let you put a grip or flashlight on it. My brother in Christ, you could do that with tape
"Buy once Cry once
In German that Saying is "We are to poor to buy cheap"
1:45 professionals have standards.
*-sniper tf2*
I love the Hungarian variant of the am for the mobilized and paratroopers with the sick grip
you wont be able to fit gp-25, 30 or 34 with those, recent conflict showed that this is a must
“It could have been a lot better” is something of a national idea in Russia.
As Legasov said, “the same reason we have RBMK reactors; it’s cheaper”
I see you’ve never driven a 1971-2022 Lada.
@@ChuckBeefOG the beauty of the lada is that they could of been alot better. Yet there still impressively reliable.
"Better" is the enemy of "good enough."
@@jwrockets Russians use the pareto principle before it became popular.
You said old russian saying.
It is actually now an approved method of firing the M4/M16 series rifles in the US military to rest the magazine on the deck when in the prone. Source: USMC Combat Marksmanship Coach
That, and the seated firing position is also allowed by the army now too. Used to have an old crusty 1sg get passed when I'd Qual with that firing position. Like sorry dude my knees are bad enough I'm not going to try to shoot quals in an extremely uncomfortable kneeling position. Not to mention how much more stable it is
I remember getting destroyed for that with my A2 in 2004 in boot camp. I think if I'm remembering correctly the fear was that resting weight on the mag could cause feed issues or other jams, but that's been a few minutes ago lol. ...was before the days of the C-clamp grip too. Hell we mostly had vietnam era camo on our gear still in boot. Semper Fi
When I was the in the Army it was frowned upon in the beginning, but the longer I was in, I heard from more marksman coaches it was ok to do.
@@devintaylor8608 And ironically the USMC banished the sitting position cause it's not practical in combat, but is adding barricades to rest your rifle on for quals.
@@bower31 we did some barrier shooting and I felt good about it but we never used it for quals
We definitely need a video on that Luty gun in the bottom left corner there Brandon
14:25 why did it make lego breaking sound?💀💀💀
The AK12 is what you get when you completely ignore one of the most important lines from "the art of war"
"To defeat your enemy, you must become your enemy"
Like, early models of the AK12 were pretty modern and had several neat features like a bolt hold open, freefloat barrel, and ambidextrous controls.
But then they said "it's too western" and made an AK47 but with rails they don't bother using.
AK-12 was also a Mechanical nightmare (so a field strip for maintenance would TAKE TIME to have recruits learn how 2) and the price tag per unit wasn't appealing to Russian army, also it would be like if you gave a US army trooper who got used with WESTERN AR interface to learn how to operate a Soviet esque Bulpup AK knockoff without the manual..... too westernized indeed.
Also a reminder that Government contracts of ANY area, even Army, are mostly to hide money laundering/theft done by government officials.... US army had a TON of shit like Russia is doing with the AK-12
The AK-12 afaik has a free float barrel. Just wanted to add that.
modern AK-12 still has free float barrel. Bolt hold open has been found to be a huge opportunity for the gun to fail. It's not like Russians don't know how to do a simple device such as a bolt hold open, it's that every single time they put it to trial, they found it to be detrimental.
Ambi controls? this is an army weapon we are talking about, not a fancy range day gun. You will find such nuances in their competition guns such as the SR-1. In the military? no need for that shit
@@facundocorradini GALIL is a fancy range gun?
@@andrehashimoto8056
1)allow soldiers to purchase their rifles.
2)train soldiers better.
Oh, wait, neither is an option for Russia:D
The Russia Loop:
“All out stuff is cold war vintage, let’s make something new”
“We have designed modern up to date equipment, let’s outfit out forces with them”
“Shit this is expensive, let’s scale this down to save money”
“All of our equipment is cold war vintage-“
we create a new weapon, again we get AK
we begin to create democracy again we get communism
Aaaaaaaah. IC what you did there
Are ts cheaper than rs?
you forgot the to add make propaganda saying it's better than vintage could war stuff"
And then when you bring all of that vintage Cold War stuff out of storage because you’re in an actual war it turns out none of it was maintained because maintenance is expensive.
i had an airsoft version of an ak74m and it did the same thing w/ overshooting the fire selector. I'm sure its just cause it was made to shoot plastic but still funny 😂
I also had an airsoft version of AK-105 by LCT, and civilian version of AK (VPO-237) for civilian cartridge. LCT-105 do this fire-selector-thing, and civilian AK don't. It's because of way how it made basically, on conceptual level.
My E&L AK74m does not overshoot, it has a stopper but it feels like it wouldn't overshoot even without the stopper as it stops before it makes contact with it
you mean a children's toy.. not the same thing
@@CSW76 thank you for informing us that airsoft guns are not actually real guns.
@@CSW76 cringe
Nah, the modern AK-15 looks so much better than the original one that got scrapped. That handguard and mag are just gorgeous.
To me, that selective fire lever coming all the way down is unacceptable.
IDK why they don’t just use a western selector.
Imagine using a Western-style selector in the Siberian winter, at -30 °C (-22 degrees Fahrenheit), wearing winter gloves and with icing all over and inside your rifle.
Thinking of that explains some of the Russians' design choices.
@@Albertoscutarius I think that between that and the charging handle, it almost gives the gun a 3-D aspect. If you try to lay flat on it it will stab you in the chest. This is why I like the AR layout better. It is completely flat.
@@ShadowReaper-pu2hx Because that would be admitting that the West is superior and that they suck.
@@BIGSID320 why would you lay on your rifle
The original AK-12 was completely different and looked totally badass from what is now the AK-12. Economics is what happened here.
Капитализм….. счастье….. заебись
@@Zlucat cry broke boy
Economics/Corruption/Politics
@@Zlucat cry about it
AK-200 was horrible
Regarding the "rest magazine on ground" thing, that is a holdover in the US from the M14. There's actually a short discussion on it from the Army Marksmanship Unit in a video from years ago when they were talking about the M14 EBR.
The magazine latch on the M14 would not tolerate setting the magazine on the ground and then subjecting it to recoil loads. It would overrun the tab (or break it off, I forget), resulting in the obvious.
On the AR platform, that is not the case. Problem is, a lot of older instructors see new information and react to it as if it was written in ancient Greek, so they teach their soldiers what THEY learned...
You can put an AR magazine on the ground just fine. Maybe not do pushups on it the way the Russkies do with the AK, but...
Good discussion. Have you done a review on the CZ Bren 2?
You should do a whiteboard video on how burst fire works mechanically, mostly for AK platforms, but also in general.
He did.
Yes, but which video?
To be honest, I didn’t know that was what the current production AK-12s looked like. The prototype was so iconic looking and that, to me, is what I think of when I hear “AK-12”
Gotta agree, whenever I hear “AK-12” I think of the prototype
The AK proto looked like the future and I was probably going to own one of them, had they kept those new features.
@@Holret ak Proto model is incredible unreliable and not fit for civillian use let alone military , its like having a Ferrari with Corolla engine and Prius interior
It's the same thing with the AEK
The prototype has a special look, that gets watered down on the release.
I like the A545 (modern aek961) it’s like an MP5 and AK75 had some weird bastard love child
As ak 74 user i can judge ak 12 is a peace of crap. To regular soldier it brings a lot of problems, especially in maintenance of the gun.
I know it's a small thing, but I do appreciate how you go out of your way to show that a weapon is clear while you're handling it
Honestly that selector covering the trigger at full tilt, absolutely is a reason to worry. Certain situations dictate rapid response and in a scenario where the first to shoot, last to stand is a real possibility.. im gonna have to pass on that death trap.
That, "First to shoot, Last to stand.." Motto is a good one, and is going to stick with me as a lessoned learned motto.
they probly have figured that out already and field modded it to not do that somehow
In what scenario? One when you're in a saloon when suddenly "charlie tangos" start "converging" on your "six" in "delta formation", jumping out of the woodwork like killhouse targets, shouting "Allah akbar!" ? That is a cowboy scenario in your head. what this AR is mean to do is be used in a war where you'll have semi-trained conscripts or even experienced soldiers, but soldiers under stress and as their leader you want them o shoot only whee you tell them to shoot and when some dumbnuts flips the safety lever, you want to see it and give him a nice kick because a kick, unlike words, is a sensation and sensations last. What also lasts is lack of discipline leading to the shooting of a fellow comrade or accidental discharge or friendly fire because some cowboy got a fast trigger.
The army works in a different way. The special forces units modify their guns for that specific reason - because they want the speed and they can control themselves. The rest should be deterred from doing something fast and stupid because you'll be dealing with 1 000, 10 000, 100 000 of young dumbnuts at once with a bad attitude, lack experience and general anxiety.
@@mambapopenhoffer8706 +scared shitless
Can't help but to agree for the most part.
@@mambapopenhoffer8706 well...I would venture that, rather than a 'cowboy scenario in one's head,' we're talking about the *very real scenario* those previous AK12 owners found themselves in. The scenario, whatever it was, that they did not walk away from because their garbage weapon allows the safety lever to be slammed down and block access to the trigger. Generally speaking, while conscripts are a bunch of dumb nuts, when fielding an army you want *your* dumb nuts to be killing the opposing side's dumb nuts, not getting killed because the weapon you gave them to do it with is utter garbage.
"THE MAN IN FRONT GETS A RIFLE. THE MAN BEHIND GETS AN OPTIC AND FOLLOWS THE MAN WITH A RIFLE. WHEN THE MAN WITH A RIFLE FALLS, THE MAN WITH AN OPTIC PICKS IT UP AND MOUNTS THE OPTIC."
Y’know what I’m gonna replay that game now. Thank you for reminding me how funny that line was.
@@Blockydrippin Actually comes from the film Enemy at the Gates. COD just ripped it off
@@Blockydrippin "Funny" is not how I would describe the battle of Stalingrad, but that's just my opinion.
@@cocokolah8567 I mean, the whole thing of Russia not issuing ammo is a myth that the movie perpetuated anyways, so
@@peaceoutbruh7085 honestly seeing russians now it might not even be outside the realm of possibility lol
I just noticed your AK "Tommy gun" behind you, I love it.
The transition to the ad was absolutely insane
It’s disappointing how Russia had a lot of prototype or low production rifles that were made to replace the main ak platform but never did, the an94, aek971, prototype ak-12, etc. I am just wondering why they went with a new rifle instead of a mod kit of zenitco stuff or something to update their 74s, like how the us army did with the m4 with the sopmod kits
Money probably, need to remember for all their boasting they have an economy of a single state
aek971 is love, aek971 is life. Shrek is love, shrek is life
Ak 12 is probably cheaper and a doctrine that is more accepting of casualties. When usable is good enough try ak 12
@@blarg35 to be fair most US states are large enough to be decently sized European countries
Because upgrading an 74 to a modern system isn’t like upgrading the M4 to the SOPMOD kit, it’s like taking old Vietnam era M16s and upgrading them to an M16A4 with full kit. You can polish it as much as you’d like, but those M16s have had so many rounds out through them that they won’t perform nearly as well as a new gun. These 74 rifles have been in service for 40+ years and have seen wars and training exercises the entire time. By the time you upgrade every part on them to a modern standard you’re better off just buying a new 74. By the time you buy and upgrade a new 74 you might as well just produce a brand new rifle.
I feel like it was designed as a conscript weapon. From this perspective the plastic handguard makes more sense. They don't get issued lasers so they don't need a rail that holds zero. The option for optics is there but it also has improved iron sights and the 2 round burst is probably more useful to someone with less training. The selector is a weird oversight to me though. If you're giving a rifle to conscripts you really want it to be idiot proof.
Norway issues optics and HK416s to conscript homeguard that train like 2 days a year. Russia should be able to design a standard rifle that can actually take accessories like lazers without losing their zero, and still be usable by both the most demotivated accessoryless conscript-prostitute, and contract units alike.
You also don't design weapons that on purpouse can't be completely cleaned if you are gonna issue them and corrosive ammo to conscripts. Conscripts have 12h+ that you can do anything with, 2mins more to clean a weapon properly is cheaper than buying a new gun every 2-3 years or whatever. The production AK12 just not that well designed.
@@potetnamnbaknamn895 *POLITIKS*
@Turaglas I mean, yah. It’s the new standard issue rife anyways
@John Doe Norway's defence is not subsidized by the US. US ships uses some ports, and the US co-operates some radars. It was not until a couple of years ago that Norway decided to host 330 US Marines, and those are on a rotational basis, before that there had been no foregin troops stationed in Norway since WWII.
NATO/US did have some equipment stashed around in a couple of mountain halls, but those bases were either unmanned or manned by Norwegians.
@@potetnamnbaknamn895 Conscript from Finland in 2016,was there for a year, never saw a magnified optic, maybe with the modernized rifles they will issue those. I heard that were they were issued usually squad leaders only had them
Would be neat if they included a gun cleaning kit in the stock since it is just a strait tube.
Any attack aircraft will tell you: the less body kit and protruding parts on the weapon, the better. Modern shooting combat is conducted at close ranges in cramped conditions, and the mobility of the attack aircraft comes to the fore.
the prototype ak12 had every chance to revolutionize russia's small arm arsenal but sadly each year it took a few step back and eventually turned into just another ak rifle. Even sadder is that despite whatever innovation the engineers proposed, the russian army themselves probably only wanted a cheaper, mass production friendly zenitco right from the beginning.
Still hoping we'll see the prototype returning in any shape or form, but with the current war going on i doubt there's any chance in a very long time
It failed reliability tests time and time again. Russian MoD have no use for AR that can't even survie a drop on concrete from 2 height
You say that it’s sad, I would say that it’s a good thing that Russian corruption/incompetence has hindered its army. Those asiatic Neanderthals can rot in hell.
Eh normally Russia drops new prototypes when they start getting thier shit kicked in I think the 12 is basically dead in the water as far as design goes but I wouldn't be surprised to see a prototype of the next generation in the AK series come out end of this year mid next year
"The conscripts are gonna fucking do it anyway" explains a lot of the systems employment right now.
The whole “the US doesn’t use mags as a monopod” is actually outdated info. The US military *used* to teach hard not to do it because they thought it would cause jams. After many years of debate, it was finally officially tested and found not to cause jams.
Current US Army shooting manual has a specific note that shooting prone with a magazine as a monopod is allowed and encouraged.
Not at my unit it wasn’t. Good way to get smoked.
@@BigDogRenzel I believe it happened to you, but that doesn't make your leaders correct, just Boomers stuck in their ways. Local leadership is OFTEN incorrect about technical things. TC 3-22.9, page 6-24, 2016 edition is explicit about this. irp.fas.org/doddir/army/tc3-22-9.pdf
Reminds me of Galilin way, they realized it be hard to stop all the conscripts from not using the lips of there mags as a bottle opener, so Gallatin made it so the bipod was one. Soliders going to use there gun anyways, so why not facilitate it.
@Yoda yep auto correct is a pain some times, especially since I live near a town called Gallatin.
Phone updated how the auto correct worked so I recall I was confused and angry, and knowing myself hungry, it MAY have been at a business convention(kinda wish comments said the exact date, although there is bigger fish to fry for RUclips)
The Russian government should let Zenitco design the AK 12
Man, I'm from Russia and I want to say that the AK-12 is not used en masse in the Army. this is just a marketing thing, our military shoot from the 100 series and tuned 74m.
that's why the AK is good - it does not need to be redone and modernized. The AK-74m is already the perfect weapon. it is enough to simply change the forearm, butt and pistol grip (~1000S) to prepare it for a modern conflict
We figured that out, man. Replacing an entire arsenal with a new weapon that doesn't add anything new doesn't make much sense. As I see it, the AK-12 is more of a prototype, an experimental design for what will be the real new Russian Army rifle, which will most likely be a modular weapon. To get an idea of what it will be like, just look at the Serbian M19, an excellent and successful attempt to modernize the AK platform.
2016: "we have a great upgrade which takes lessons from previous experiments"
"It's too pricy"
2018: "here is our budget upgrade which discarded most features of the 2016 one because it would have been too costly even though we invested a lot into this program already"
"Nice"
With that amount of funding on a slightly better platform it is better to just manufacture modified dust cover and hand guard (for the AK 74 and 100 platform) with rails to mount optics and other accessories
That happens with most militaries honestly, the US has done it at least 3 times either the first ACR program in the 80s, then the XM8, then the most recent ACR program . Militaries want the new cutting edge rifle but are unwilling to foot the bill all the upgrades and extra features cost, then they ask for a budget version and you end up with a rifle barely better than it’s predecessor, then they scrap the project cause the new rifle isn’t really a cost effective upgrade at that point
@@ethantaillefer-meyn6535 Not sure about the ACR program but the XM8 and Carbine replacement program is not that revolutionary (they basically planned to replace the M4 with an improved M4 with piston using the exact same caliber) so it's not that really that much of an improvement. The reason the AR 15 is not going away is not just because of old brass being cheap, it's also because the replacement is not worth it for minor improvements
@@quakethedoombringer I'm pretty sure the XM8 was an H&K G36 based rifle for their Objective Individual Combat Weapon program (OICW) entry, which went nowhere because while the M41a1 Pulserifle is cool, there isn't any practical way to turn it into a real weapon (or, at least something objectively better than AR pattern rifle with an underslung M203 pattern grenade launcher).
@@dj1NM3 Pretty much: the XM8 was cool and worked, but it's not like an aesthetically different G36 was enough of an improvement to fork up the money to replace the standard issue rifle of the biggest military on the planet lol
The AK-12 is a brilliant textbook example of why you keep politics (and especially politicians) out of the army's business.
*how?*
How’re you supposed to do that when politicians literally run the military?
They should be using the AK-12 to eliminate politicians.
@@fort809 by having them consult the military on military issues instead of just doing shit
@@Way2Klose bros clueless
Russia kind of know that there infantry have a very short life span so they are comfortable with low maintenance and that there hardware don't have to last for very long , all they need is lots of them so ease of manufacture is paramount
'It's drip or drown, and I intend to drip' Me trying to find bakelite ak74 mags
Going on a limb here... The money that was supposed to put Zenitco handguards, a selector stop, etc. instead went to buying luxury cars and mistresses for some generals.
Ну, у нас с 20-ых (С 2000 годов) процветает коррупция. Пока это не закончится, у нашей страны всегда будут слабые позиции. Потому что, наши политики скорее страну Западу продадут, и армию саботируют. Чем сделают что то толковое. ( Я не имею цели, разжечь конфликт, я просто высказываю свою точку зрения на вещи в моей стране )
@@tipoutuber4590 S 00ih? Patsan, tebe skolko let?
Korruptsiya nikuda ne devalas s tsarskih vremyon. I esli ti nihrena ne soobrazhaesh v oruzhii i tom kak na nego smotryat v mire to do tebya ne doydyot NIKOGDA chto 1) AK-74M i AK-200 serii na rinke sproson NE POLZUYUTSA. 2) Zenitko nesposobna proizvodit obves v takih kolichestvah chto nizhni VS RF, 3) AK-12 teper uzhe doveli do uma. AK-12 budet polzovatsa sprosom, osobenno AK-12M1 chto pokazali v Mae 23 goda. I soldati kotorie s AK-12M 2020 goda i pozzhe voevali vili o nyom horoshego mneniya.
@@tipoutuber4590 thank fuck they sell your country to the west so the fascist dictator in charge can't invade his neighbours successfully
@@tipoutuber4590и точка бредовая. Могли бы сдать-давно бы сдали, как русско-японскую или ПМВ. А тут вон такой разгон пошёл, что теперь даже республиканцы мнением Путина интересуются. Коррупция же-она неистребима, и я боюсь, на западе за время "мира" и войн с тапочниками коррупция расцвела не слабже. Взять там хотя бы зелёных и ЛГБТ. Это глобальная тенденция, и на неё всё списывать такое себе
I'm curious to see the changes made to it after the conflict. Wonder why they didn't get Zenitco on board
Love that description, “…this is you, this is the guy she told you not to worry about…” 🤣🤣🤣 Excellent video!! 👌🏼
You're one of the best out there. Don't quit. Ever. We are with you!
Definitely not in Ukraine because there’s an optic on it 😂
Rifle no need optic, rifle is fine
@@Room-wv1pd nah, he means people would take the optic, those aint cheap
I saw a photo of a Russian soldier running with Russian optics installed on the other side
I am russian and hell I hate optics
Theres plenty of optics and red dot green dots, not everyone likes them because it’s another thing you have to look after
I didn’t doubt even for one second what this video conclusion was going to be.
American media is like: Everything Russian is rubbish even if is better than ours
Everything Chinese is rubbish even if is better than ours.
We are the city above the hill, the truly exceptional country, the light of the world.
Whatever, if is make you happy, I glad for you
well it is true. america is the biggest and the best
@@bingbong8775 Because of the suffering of other countries
@@ThunderFarter lol we were born suffering for a useless and violent monarchy which we freed ourselves from. we’re nowhere near the level of guilt the british crown carries. england is built on the bones of the rest of the world.
Props to Brandon for promoting USCCA
Always a good morning when Brandon posts.
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We watch it at 7 pm in Turkey. Still dope.
If you say the AK-12 rifle is terrible, I would gladly help you “Dispose” of them
Me too !
Me three
Me five.
Don't look for him. He's gone.
Me ten
me twelve!
see what I did there-
1:58 thought for a second that FBI would bust ya door😂🤣😂🤣
But that's an old model, one of the earliest.
The newest model don't have 2-3 bullet bursts mode, as in fact no one on this planet using it. They also fixed a lot of small problems and slightly change handguard.
What for a reason why russia didn't accept more complicated riffles is the same as for the rest of the world - no one wish to spend billions on regular infantry, in any army of any country. And special forces will use custom weapons anyway, no matter what is on mass production.
A new Brandon video always makes my day! Always informative AND entertaining! And this one is no different! Great job!
He does do a pretty good job at blending fun and information huh?
I agree with David Groot. David Groot is our god!
@@E1ev1n 🤣🤣🤣
I still pray to you
I would love a weapon review series to be called "Does it suck, or does it Fuck? Make it happen 🤣🤣🤣
What about when it fucks... you over?
Hell yeah brother
They could have just put an upper and lower two piece aluminum extended handguard system on a standard 74 and been fine. Replace the gas tube with an aftermarket aluminum one, take away the rear sights and mill down only as much of the rear sight block as you could reasonably get away with for clearance on the handguard system. This way you could have a single piece almost monolithic upper handguard and dust cover combination. The lower handguard could literally just be an aluminum tube with a slot milled out of it to slide onto the front of the gun and have an adapter piece to slot into the front of the receiver under the barrel.
i got an ad before your video that was you talking about SDI lol
AKS-74 had the sidefolder earlier than the AK-74M. Plus some of the very old AK-74 rifles actually had AKM gas blocks.
Idk if anyone besides Mikhail himself should correct Brandon sir.
@@the_manderson_4812 Unfortunately, Brandon is an American. Which in the world of AKs is a diagnosis. Americans hardly ever know stuff. And that means not just Mikhail is (was) entitled to correct them.
For example, Brandon's Type 1, being an underfolder, is a Soviet AKS-47. Not a Russian AK-47.
@@honzabalak3462 taking into account that Brandon has built almost his entire life and business off of knowing AK’s, I don’t think being an American is an issue for Brandon
@@the_manderson_4812 Look at his gun wall. About 90% of his AKs are hybrids.
The build quality is amazing but they aren't historically correct. His AKs are mixes of various patterns. And Brandon's knowledge mirrors that completely. On a technical level he knows his stuf flawlessly. On a historical one? Not so much.
One more thing to consider: combining wood and "tacticool" parts is something a European would never do. We see it as aesthetics butchering.
@@honzabalak3462 I’d say he knows his stuff pretty well for an American but I wouldn’t know either. I’m a Canadian 😂😂
I've often thought after looking at the production AK-12s, that Russia was trying to modernize their infantry to what the US standard was in like 1990s/early 2000s during GWOT. Looking at Ratnik, looking at the AK-12, that is the conclusion that I get: get a way to easily mount lasers (even though it's a terrible mount), get a way to easily mount electronic sights and scopes, get a way to easily mount bipods and foregrips, and get a folding stock for the different troops that have different arm lengths and body builds with full kit.
All of which is like 20 years behind what the US is doing with full length free floated aluminum and steel handguards, lasers and sights and foregrips and adjustable stocks on every rifle, and more importantly with the new orders for LPVOs, ability to engage targets at red dot distance and at ACOG distance without the need for a magnifier that takes away your BUIS. Also, the US is going away from Interceptor and IOTV style vests and moving towards plate carriers for increased mobility and decreased fatigue (although they might go back in case they have a no shit war with Russia or another near peer power).
All in all, a solid step forward for the Russian army, but a fancy new rifle and infantry kit doesn't make a military good, doctrine and training does that. As does a healthier relationship between lower enlisted, NCOs and officers, and anti-corruption efforts.
Shit, you can argue that the US doesn't do that with your last point
Infantry and Combat MOSs get issued the MSV carrier. I got issued the IOTV but it's because I'm support. Honestly, the new system is better for mobility and can still take a hit. But, I actually prefer the IOTV because all that soft armor I'm carrying is stopping that plate from entering my ribcage.
@@kekula69 For sure.
@Dani Al shit you beat me to it
@@kekula69 In comparison with the situation in UA it's on a completely different scale. All government entities will have corruption and other problems but the extent to which that effects the performance is quite apparent.
For ak charging handle lovers.
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7:10 yeaaaaa
thanks m8
One of your best videos with regards to technical details.
Being trained in the West, after getting my first AK I let my left hand stray a bit too far forward once... Once.
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I laughed a little too hard at this. Hope your hand is okay.
Did you use a compass to confirm you were actually in the west?
I'd love to hear Brandon's opinion on the Finnish RK series rifles. Especially the newest RK-62M2 and RK-62M3 models.
Makes sense why you wouldn't change out parts from the AK-12 to other rifles, why would they? Its not like the Russian soldiers will change out their weapon parts to other guns
Very hard to get in the US, or at least that is what I have heard.
As Finn i guess.. Its hard to get.. 🤔 Im not sure but i think they dont sell guns..like to an individual in another country.
There are several different civilian semi-automatic versions of the valmet-rifles that have been sold for example to the united states, but as far is I know they are very rare there
@@vilpez And I'd imagine that the new RK-62M variants are even more rare.
Iirc the gas tube being welded to the trunnion is specific to these parts kits that were original commercial Russian air rifles built out of AK-12 parts
Not surprising when you know how things are done in Russia. Trillions are spent on a paper army, yachts, and mansions.
ukranian detected XD
@@lalk0853 anyone in the world would agree with that statement. russia is a garbage can with a conscripted army made up of old men and criminals without proper equipment.
@@lalk0853 Totaly agree with that guy statement, russia carbage country that cant build a shit.
I love the gun community. I really like how almost all the gun channel guys work together and show up in each others videos.
You like when people are in videos huh?
@@wizcorn9958 ya sure bud
Fokd up hobby for fokd up minds.
@@hanskranz9897 your fokd up,now back to your moms basement trollboy.
@@wizcorn9958 Xddd that feels super passive aggressive
Both The firing selector going fully down and middle resistance when pulling back bolt issues I don’t have with the Civilian AK-15/TR3 (or at least I never noticed) so I think you are right saying it’s due to the burst mechanism.
Zenitco is still around. Sanctions passed in February say we aren't allowed to purchase from them
Serious question: How much does the tricked out Sureshot with the Zeticto handrails cost? In total, approximately. With or without shipping.
From my personal experience: those new russian AK-12 mags looking kinda new and cool but.... Well, while patrolling trough urban we found a lot of mags from AK-12, and we had no clue, why ffs russians just dropped they brand new mags like its a clip from M1. The answer is - those mags crushing better, then glass bottles. Firstly we haven't mentioned that, but i guess like 3 from 4 mags got crashed bottom plates and lost their spring cause they simply falled on the ground from the chestrig/while reloading.
Absolutely shame, when you're reminding yourself, that that's are a grandkids of AK bekalite mags
Ah it's not soldier proof.
Huh, it's almost like old heavy metal almost literally bullet proof mags are better than plastic. Whodathunk.
@@randomidiot8142 Polymer can work easily for that job. You can also fuck up a perfectly good steel design. The issue you see here is in design, not in "Muh-muh-muh plastic bad!"
@@qwormuli77 Not to mention the weight savings. But yes, this - good quality polymer mags are extremely durable, but easy to cut corners on to save a few pennies per magazine (by using a cheaper material). Which is probably what happened.
Unlike bakelite or steel mags . I bet these get hot and melt or bottom plate cracks and breaks
Still no bolt hold open... Oh well, maybe in another 70 years.
14:25 best AK, lego sound effect lol
As someone who is in the army, that selector switch would be so big an issue I would refuse to go into combat with the AK-12 for that reason alone.
"Conscripts don't need optics!" - The same army that assigned their soldiers green uniforms and exclusively bolt action rifles to fight a winter war.
I was confused as I thought you were referring to the Finnish Conflict where they wore brown in a very white winter or so I have been told.
@@Predator20357
He is.
*a real fucking mistake of mine was here so I delete this one*
@@requiemlul3140 With how there are reports about how the Ukraine War had old Russian weapons, I thought he was exaggerating a bit and was referring to that one
@@piritrem2232
He is talking about the 1939-1940 Winter war in wich the Russian army got fucking annihilated because the Finnish were camouflaging themselves and using submachine guns while the Russians wore green uniforms and used bolt action rifles.
It looks to me that the Russian government fell to the classic "I know more than you Mr. Professional Gun Designer" that many governments do (not that the West is immune), and settled on a rifle incorporating several features that said Professional gun designers said to implement, but like, shittier. The Zlobin design was absolutely Chad and seems to me like Zlobin would have seen the need for availability of mounts and forward hand-placement grip surface.
Well, must say, this isn’t newest generation of AK-12 already
Smoothest sponsor transition in all of guntuber history right there.
Kalashnikov Concern has in their media since 2019 shown a different stock on their AK-12 that far more greatly resembles the older prototype version, or the Magpul Zhukov stock. I think they also changed the rear iron sights with that update. If you were to add the Zenitco basis rail handguard, it might fix the accessories issue.
yes this is a different version of the rifle: AK-12 2020, in the video AK-12 2016
Yeah, the Zenitco rail looks clean on the AK-12, and the Gen2 stock looks way more snag-free.
I think I saw it before the longer mlok hand guard for AK-12
yes,that adopted version is not good at all,but they fixing it every year,and the chief designer of a modern Ak12 is a different man
Honestly, I feel like this is extremely similar to the basic colt m4 a lot of soldiers and marines are issued. Sure its a good gun but there is a lot of things that can be improved such as better stocks/foregrips, longer rail, better pistol grip, and even small things like the safety selector switch. The zenit co AKs are the equivalent to our spec ops hk 416s, mk18s, and all the other weapons they use. Not to mention the far superior attachments provided to spec ops.
I’d take a old school colt over this bullshit anyday fuck all the new outsourced colt crap
@@madstan8948 LMAO I respect that 😂
I would just accept the FN Made M4A1 Carbines. They made good quality products.
If I wanted a custom made Block 2 then I would go for Daniel's Defense.
Nah, it's more like all the guns the US army almost adopted to replace the M4.
What happened with the AK 12 is what would've happened if the US replaced the M4 with the OICW, the XM8, the ACR etc.
Not full set Zenitco, huh) For unfoldable mount places there is a PT-5 stock and pretty handy RK-9 grip
Those new mags are awesome but they don't fit so well in my Galil Ace Gen2. Great in my Saiga 5.45 though. But overall a definite upgrade to other 5.45 AK mags. Great video B.
7:46 Your weapon has been switched to fully-full auto!
It reminds me of the M4s in the Army
Sure there's a HUGE amount of aftermarket stuff you can add to the M4/AR-15 platform for accuracy, comfort, and ease of shooting...but we didn't get any of that shit.
Like 75% of M4A1s in the Army's active service have the shit basic stock, the 8" quad rail, and the CCO red dot. If you were luck, you got basic rail covers. If you were luckier, you got enhanced SOPMOD stock instead (my favorite to this day). If your role called for it (I was a tanker, so this would be for the Commander and maybe Loader), you would get a PEQ-15 and/or an ACOG (though my unit had next to none) to go along with your M320 Grenade Launcher
If you're in an Infantry battalion/company, you got a basic ass vertical foregrip
As far the free floating handguard, supposedly (based on what I've read), it's supposed to be for better accuracy so whatever weird shit you're doing to abuse the handguard, it's not affecting the barrel (I think that's what a few more modern guns like the Sig MCX are going for)
So the cool stuff people do with ARs/M4s either irl or in games like Modern Warfare...throw all that shit out the window, buy the cheapest, most basic AR-15 that has a carbine quad rail, and you have what a $777 billion defense budget issues
US Army M4A1's cost $650/ ea. they literally are basic bitch rifles. The only thing of "quality" on them are the barrels made by FN. Everything else can be had for dirt cheap by basically any reputable manufacturer.
The trigger, sans full auto, is worse than a mil-spec trigger from spikes. I recently got to shoot an M4A1 basically right out of the box and the trigger pull was the worst ive ever felt. gritty and a discrete catch half way through the pull. (actually used that to my advantage akin to a 2 stage trigger, but each stage is 3 lbs).
They are wayyy over gassed for M855A1, but that might partially be by design as it will let the rifle function even when very dirty.
Still using the basic stock and grip, but i kind of understand that they come like that by default for the avg joe and anyone seriously using them can change them out as they wish.
the fore grip is nothing special aside from the fact its easily removed (read: lost) with the screw dial on the bottom.
Those parts kits you find on PSA for like $399 that come with toolcraft BCG's are honestly the exact same or even better once you add a FN barrel.
You guys got M4? I still ran a fucking m16 in 2020
@@WillyStinkman8593 We had M16A4s in our Brigade armory. And we were the first unit to receive the new M1A2 SEP v3 Abrams
If that makes you feel better lol
@@WillyStinkman8593 I liked my M16A4 better than a limp dick M4. At least when you shoot someone with an M16 they might die instead of just getting small drain holes
To be fair, when you have to give every POG some semblance of combat training, I wouldn't give them anything more expensive than that.
Witty, humorous, informative...well done Sir, well done indeed.
This is a replica of the early AK-12. There is either the 3rd or 5th iteration. They definitely replaced the fire translator, removed the two-shot cutoff, replaced the butt, it seemed like they replaced the forend, replaced the DTK, changed the diopter sight, changed the receiver mount to a more reliable one, it seemed like they shammed the gas tube, changed the placement of the ramrod and the zip set again, replaced the pistol grip. Maybe there were more improvements, I still don’t remember. The only thing that needs to be understood is that the AK-12 in its current state will change, because work is still underway on it. For those who want to play around on the topic that designers are crooked macaques, I can advise you to look at the problems with the caiques were the wounds of the AK-74. There, on the first copies, too, not everything was thank God. For example, there were a lot of problems with the introduction of plastic, this is if we talk about the AK-74M. But there were plenty of braids on the original. And about the original Kalashnikov assault rifle model 47g. I'm generally silent. At first there was stamping, but as a technology there was not developed because of this there were many defects. Then the receiver began to be milled, as a conclusion, the mass of weapons, the price of production, plus high steel consumption, etc. increased. In general, I’m tired of it, so Yandex Google helps, I expressed the main idea.
The editor of Kalashnikov journal, based in Russia of course, also dissapproved this gun. And praised Bren 2.
at this rate russia is gonna hire brandon to develop their next rifle
But wouldn’t that need him to stop the yet channel? Then no never
What if Russia adopts a version of the AK-50 as the AK-12.7
Ak12 chambered in 50 cal.
At this rate Russia will be out of AKs because Brandon can't finish his AK builds...
@@Cnupoc kinda like you couldn't finish my sister?
I haven't held nor fired a real ak12, so I can't really say anything. But I do feel like the 12 has SOME improvements over the 74. Like the both folding and adjustable buttstock, the new mag looks dope as well, the iron sight/gas block combo is a neat design for me. The burst fire is kinda unnecessary, especially for ak rifles. See, mikhail designed the rifle to be handled like an smg. It can be perfectly used for long distance engagements, but it mostly excels at medium to cq engagements, since that's the sole purpose of the gun itself. So the burst, for me, just kinda defeats the purpose of the ak platform. The selector issue, that's unacceptable. I would weld another piece of metal to the pretty much non-existent selector catch to make it more efficient. The stock compatibility isn't really a big issue for me. It's one of those things "I can manage" with. So there are some things I like and don't like about the 12. I think it's a cool rifle.
This is the first version, today it is no longer in production. They are now supplying troops with the improved version, with the new polymer stock and diopter sights, and as of 2023 they have removed the burst fire. I believe that later they will also modify the front handle, but for now they are rumors.
@@ilmionomeenessuno5504 True but as it stands right now for civilian markets the ak12 looks really cool but you're probably better off just getting aftermarket upgrades for a 74m or 105. That will give you all the pros of an ak12 without any of the glaring drawbacks
if it has an empty hollow buffer tube it seems like they could put an opening cap on the end to use it for storage like batteries, cleaning kit, oiler, etc.
is there a point to the spikes at the end of the muzzle brake? is it better than the 74/100 series brakes?