Hammers are completely normal. You telling me you don't have multiple car hammers with you whenever you're out? What if you need to remove some nails, or have faulty equipment that needs a little percussive maintenance?
I had a FiveseveN years ago. We bought the SS197 ammo from FN and it penetrated both sides of a soft Kevlar vest. It was a small hollow point round but it went straight through the vest. They stopped making the SS197 round, I would imagine because it was penetrating like that while it was designed to be a "civilian" round rather than the 190 armor piercing. I was full time law enforcement and still couldn't get my hands on the armor piercing rounds. You had to buy them through a department at that time, you couldn't have a letterhead to bring to the gun shop. It was a great pistol, I carried it as a secondary on SWAT. Almost no recoil and it barked some flames. I think the ammo now is toned down.
@@jaimeramos2644A Glock 19. Back then you had to buy most of your own stuff. They had a few UMP 45s and one ancient MP5SD. When I got in narcotics and did a lot of high risk search warrants I had an issued DPMS Panther with a 10 inch barrel and fun switch. I miss it...
@@user-nb8yt2il2rNo kidding? I couldn't find them anywhere. I thought they quietly stopped making them. I wish I would have never sold the pistol. At least the guy I sold it to had the PS-90 so it made a nice pair.
Despite this performance, I still wouldn't mind a Part 2 where you try shooting the 5.7 at various kinds of armor and maybe even different types of cover, and compare it to some other calibers.
@@Romanus- I've tested a fair amount of it, and sadly have lost confidence in factory loads. I post the videos of results I've had. Big companies are nerf'ing it and the boutique sellers have been inconsistent...so I'm working on coming up with my own loads. Lots of options in that regard. I currently carry the 2020 Speer Gold Dot (after crimping them all). That round did perfectly in my gel test. It used to have cycling issues however, in the PS90 feeding system. ...but if I had to buy new factory ammo and they have their act straightened out I'd be using the Vanguard 36 gr GPM, and/or the R&R; either the 30 gr (Cutting Edge Raptor bullets) and/or the 37 gr X (Maker bullet). All are unavailable last I checked a few days ago. AAC has the (slightly) fastest 40 gr VMAX but have seen some what look like case-sizing issues that some have had, in the ROCK, ironically.
@@ShastaBeanyea the aac ran like shit in my ruger fifty seven as well. I just carry fn ammo for now. I’ve been very disappointed with the market lately for 5.7 ammo and am debating selling my Ruger
@@ShastaBean every commercial 5.7 in America is neutered intentionally. Maybe we'd see better results with some of the fun ammo from gunbroker. I have a 5.7 but I certainly wouldn't carry it for the sole fact that I can't afford the fun ammo.
@12:23 "Pistols put holes in people. Rifles put holes through people. Shotguns, at the right range with the right load, will physically remove a chunk of shit off your opponent and throw that shit on the floor..." -The Immortal Clint Smith
Met some BELSOF guys a few years ago. They said the 5.7 pistols were great if youre shooting someone 100m away and they're wearing armor, but it just whipped through people in the GWOT. The ammo was hard to come by and they couldn't "borrow" from anyone else. They missed their Browning HP. The "bloop" at the 13:32 mark was hilarious.
It's my service pistol as well and I confirm this. It's great for "long range" for a pistol. 50m distance is really easy. The accuracy is stunning but if you have smaller hands it is also not that to grip
I mean it wasn’t really designed for a handgun in the first place. The p90 in full auto was a really controllable bullet hose that had a deep magazine. Dump 10-15 rounds that zip through someone in a quick burst and they’re not getting back up. They just happened to make a compatible handgun so that you could have ammo commonality between PDW and a handgun. Carry more of the same Ammo since it’s small and light.
@@inferninx It's the story that everybody should know by now unless they're new to firearms in general. The P90, though awkward for many, would still be really easy to use for military personnel that qualify once with a service rifle and pretty much never use one again in their entire career. The sort of thing you can give to such people or have within easy access for such people who are in or near combat zones where the proverbial shit could potentially and unexpected hit the fan. With the common example being oh shit there's russians parachuting into this camp that is a hundred miles or more behind any front line combat zone. Not necessarily a bad concept, but realistically one that introduces a platform which has very little practical or effective value for combat personnel and one which introduces unnecessary logistical requirements. Pistols and pistol caliber platforms really don't make much sense in the grand scheme of things. Everybody would be better off if the various institutions adopted more rigorous training and skills maintenance regimes. Take all those people that are enlisted, but for all intents and purposes, non-combatants and make them attain and maintain real proficiency with the existing platforms.
New to these videos. I want to point out that just because a round stops in the gel and doesn't blow everything apart is exactly the point. You want the bullet to stop in the target, so you're less worried about what's behind the target. You don't want a home defense weapon whose bullets exit the burglar and then your whole house.
I’m just so glad that Charlie is back! I’ve never seen someone heal as fast as him! I mean, c’mon, he had the worst case of hemorrhoids/poison ivy that I’ve ever witnessed! He’s a real trooper! Rock on Charlie
@@danielcurtis1434 I’m a backwoods redneck from Maine- I’m quite aware of what they are, and their differences. As far as how someone ends up on deaths bed, with both, is a story for Charlie to tell. Godspeed Charlie
I want a full version of Charlie explaining the different parts and functions of the human bodies. He did just finally become a doctor after all. I felt like I was actually learning something.
The beauty of the 5.7x28mm is that it combines the advantages of the .22lr with the advantages of the 9mm. It is soft shooting, light and pistols have a lot of capacity like in the case of the .22lr while at the same time it has reliability and terminal performance that compares favorably with the 9mm.
The funny thing is that the 4.7×28 is the civilian variant and the military is using 4.6×30 and that is a big change in performance. We tested it once in the Army
"It seems to do exactly what all the other bullets we've tested done.... which is they will fuck you up".... That my friends is the internet Gold Standard right there. Outstanding!
The 5.7 will disappear like the 17s. No real purpose, can’t get the ammo, no one is set up to reload it and so much more. Can’t sell the pistols to begin with!!!
I’m no expert and I’ve never even shot a 5.7. But I’d assume it really shines in the P90 on full auto with the 50 round mags and armor piercing bullets. That’s what I think it was really designed for. SMG, up close and personal against armor. It would work very well there I believe.
Agreed. Brokeboys can also opt for a "switch " device on the 5.7 with a drum mag and a extended barrel I'm sure the hood will love that build. 🛑🛑JK🛑🛑 In all seriousness fedbois wouldn't like that at all please take this as a joke😂
The round was designed to defeat a kevlar helmet at 100 yds. A very specific use case, but yeah, without a tungsten penetrator cored bullet, and on an unarmored target, it isn't great compared to 9mm. Also, glad Charlie is back. Love how he is picking through the dead dummy and putting pieces in his pocket.
I own a Five seveN, actually the same exact model GT is using. I arrived at the conclusion based on my own testing years ago that 5.7, for civilians is really actually pretty pointless unless you got some SS190 penetrators laying around. You are better off going with 9mm to be honest and if you really want to pierce soft body armor theres better options for that. Like 7.62x25 tokarev. Theres a cool video of James Reeves seriously penetrating a level 3 plate with a Five seveN using SS190. That's plate is meant to stop 7.62x39 and it went through it. Pretty impressive, but since we cant get SS190... again it's pretty pointless for civilians I'm afraid.
Had a friend that got shot in Dallas by 5.7 definitely fucked him up all the same so ide say a bullets a bullet at the end of the day cause I promise you ain't taking a shot from it and walking around like it's a mosquito bite. Yes he didn't die but he said it hurt all the same.
As far as I know, the 5.7x28 round was in fact designed to defeat *old design* kevlar body armor that became standard issue to Russian infantry in 1989. Back then, the armor was *barely* enough to stop 9x19 and .45 ACP rounds. The US military primarily used MP5s chambered in 9x19mm for rear line and support troops. The main concern was that Russia could drop paratroopers behind NATO lines and the troops would be unable to stop them! Real scare there! Anyway, the 5.7 and P90 were designed as a PDW for rear line and support troops and could defeat old design kevlar armor used the the 1980s-1990s. Nowadays body armor has gotten much better and the 5.7x28 round is just obsolete.
@@corkbulb2895 You're mostly right but I have no clue where you got the idea that the US widely issued MP5s to rear echelon troops. That isn't true at all.
the FN 5.7x28mm round's terminal capability was demonstrated in a Fort Hood shooting where the shooter killed all 13 people who were hit center mass using a 5.7 projectile - The FN 57 is actually deadly in real time In real scenarios and not target training on human replicas. It’s a pretty nasty round very deadly nothing to play with.
.22 lr can kill just as easily. And just because its deadly doesnt mean its the best choice. Not to mention there are PLENTY of law enforcement shootings that say the 5.7 sucks.
The T6 B ammunition rounds are in a whole different league than a 22 long rifle round, and law-enforcement, they don’t like it because it’s a different type of round they’re trying to neutralize the threat, And they say it sucks because it’s not a versatile round like how they use hollow points what I’m talking about is on a whole Nother level the T6 you’re really shredding shit I don’t wanna incriminate myself, but I’ve seen what T6 B Project do to the human body. And I’m talking about fatalities, not like those rounds that those guys are demonstrating to you trust me as an army vet I know what I’m talking about and I know what I’ve seen, but it’s cool. I’m not talking about commercial rounds. The shit I’m talking about is illegal to have that’s how deadly these projectiles that I’m talking about are but that’s your perception and I have mine and it’s more intertwine with reality
Yes but that is with actual AP ammo. I saw another channel a couple years back do a side by side with AP and standard 5.7. The AP 5.7 ripped through the soft armor. The standard however did worse then the 9mm and the 9mm with a solid round sailed right through the armor anyway. And keep in mind you basically CANT get the AP 5.7 anymore. You can buy the brass solids from pretty much any firearms store.
It's a little insane the amount of "naa you can walk that off, it's a tiny hole" I don't think I'd be able to walk off any bullet to pretty much any part of me. Maybe I'm just not built from adamantium like these guys. I missed Charlie, such a funny guy!!
depends on if your adrenaline is going. also In 1899, a group of Moro tribesmen in the Philippines took umbrage toward a United States occupation force in the southern islands, thereby initiating what became known as the Moro Rebellion. The Moros were fierce fighters, with a reputation of resistance toward any outside rule. Officers in the U.S. force were armed with Colt Model 1892 revolvers chambered in .38 Long Colt, a cartridge that originated the blackpowder era. The load at the time featured a 150-grain lead round-nose bullet launched at 750 f.p.s. using smokeless powder. Muzzle energy was 201 ft.-lbs., about the same energy as a .380 ACP with a 90-grain bullet. The Moros were reputed to tie themselves up with strips of vegetation from the jungles to prevent excessive bleeding and ingested locally made drugs to block the pain from wounds. Engagements involving the Colt double-action Model 1892 often resulted in the officer being killed or severely wounded by these motivated Moro juramentados. This prompted the War Department to launch the Thompson-LaGarde Tests of 1904. As expected, the rather grisly tests showed the .38 Long Colt significantly lacking in the power needed to stop a determined assailant.
The FN firearms chambered in 5.7X28 were primarily designed around the SS-190 ammo. Designed specifically to penetrate SBA. So standard pistol cartridges will be better for EDC.
On one hand you can buy 3A SBA for dirt cheap these days, some as low as $45/panel so SBA is far more common. On the other hands Mr. Guns N Gear tested that $45 armor panel and it stopped EVERY pistol and shotgun round sent at it including commercially available 5.7mm. It even “stopped” (technically) a .500S&W and .460 although it dragged the armor into the target. The 5.7 armor piercing isn’t really available to us, however the 5.7 has some other really nice attributes that have come up in Paul Harrel videos.
Standard 5.7 defensive ammo is made specifically to do well at penetration and causing damage. So use defensive expanding ammo for defensive purposes. Unless of course, the criminals wear body armor in your locale.
Carried a FN Five Seven as my duty backup for about 15 years. It was nice having a 20 round and 30 round mag and it was super light. I kept it in a closed pouch off hand side on my gun belt. That muzzle flash at night was insane.
The vids haven't been the same. The return of charlie makes it whole again. I love primary arms. I don't even put irons on my 3x microprism boomstick. I recommend them to everyone. Please don't muzzle Charlie
I recently added a 5.7 pistol with a red dot and a suppressor to my collection. I like it for a survival pistol for camping and hiking. It's nice when I want a bit more range but don't want to carry a rifle. A 5.7 pistol has similar capabilities as a 9mm or a .22 magnum rifle. The low recoil and lightweight ammo make it a good survival tool if you aren't expecting it to be magic.
As someone who has been shot by both 9mm and 5.7 and lived I can attest to them both making for a shitty recovery time. I can't tell you too much about this first incident but I can tell you for whatever reason the 9mm was a numb airy feeling hit with like the kind of pain you get from a firecracker going off in your hand or a hard smack from someone (mixed with adrenaline)...until I got to ER then the pain was def showing itself (hit once in the upper quad on right leg). The time I was hit by a 5.7 in the shoulder I will never forget. I was schobberknock drunk walking home from the bars in downtown Indianapolis (Broadripple) at about 2:30am when I was hit by a 5.7 round smack in my right shoulder right through my leather jacket intended for someone else in a drive by as I was walking thru the worst shady alley I could have picked just to get back to my apartment faster. The pain I felt from that MF was searing hot and super intense. It felt like what I imagine having a red hot stick of rebar slammed into your shoulder. I remember initially grabbing at it fumbling to make the pain stop like when you do when you burn the hell out of yourself to no avail. I actually ran myself to the police station a few streets away to get help. The 5.7 wound bled out more as well idk why but unlike the 9mm it went all the way thru my muscle and shoulder bone and out the other side. What sucked more? That's hard to say but what hurt more was the 5.7 without a doubt.
These guys did a wonderful presentation of comparison of different rounds, but the only problem I have with this is, they’ll say all that about the 57 round until you get shot with it
Emt in Indianapolis here. Saw a man shot 3 times in the chest with 5.7 (pretty nice grouping too) and all 3 zipped right through him. Made a full recovery.
Now he is back out on the street. Looking to get his vengence. Sporting both a Punisher outfit. Witha Smith & Wesson in .44 magnum. With an 8" barrel loaded with 275 grain wadcutters.
I tested both pistol and carbine back in 2000 for my department ,what you need is the black tip “AP” round. It went through a ballistic vest with no problem
Right, of course the AP ammunition is going to penetrate more than the standard round. Same exact thing could be said about 10mm Auto: get the .10AP and you'll punch through a bulletproof vest no problem. The video makes it very clear that the lack of any significant or noticeable damage from the 5.7 impact is very concerning for anyone carrying 5.7 in public.
@@ShadowLancer128 elite ammo s4 goes straight through level 3a at 2400 fps from a 5 inch barrel vs this at 1700 fps. The temporary cavity between 700 fps is quite literally pistol vs rifle.
Charlies dad advice is actually spot on (other then working for mike specifically). Dont think about how hard dropping everything and leaving is, just think of how much better your life can be once you rebuild somewhere better. I gave up my entire life, career, family and friends to leave canada and move a few hours south. 2 years of having to live apart from my wife to get the life we wanted in the place we wanted was worth every second as much as it sucked at times. If your sick of where you live, JUST LEAVE.
This is TED Talk syndrome, so to speak. Those who succeeded tell their story. Those who didn't likely don't have the opportunity or motivation to share their story, also because few people want to hear it. And usually there are also quite favorable conditions at play that push someone to make such steps. Because how else can we explain the 'criminal neglect' of the awareness of how this world is in hardmode and every attempt to improve your situation comes with a huge risk of making it even worse instead?
@@Dowlphin You just explained risk vs reward. If you think the world is in hardmode now, what about the risk and hardships people went through before electricity, medicine, and your best bet at a better like was a 4 month boat ride followed by no support and harsh winters. You can either succumb to the fear of failure, or at least try. Therein lies the weight and value of taking a risk for a better life. People who try will fail, but some will succeed. It's up to everyman to ensure that he is in the latter camp. Fortune favors the bold, and smiles on the righteous. If it were a guarantee, why would you deserve anymore than the people who are content enough to stay stagnant and not strive for a better life? Besides the points above that can abide with every man's values and morals, if you are a Christian you have the distinct pleasure of having Jesus Christ on your side. 2 Timothy 1:7.
@@sincerelyme6928 You portray a rich buffet of folly. 1) Past times were not just missing the hardships of lowtech, but also the burdens of hightech. Technology is an externalized power trip that distracts us from our inner potential, also corrupting our understanding into redefining it as how well we work with that scheme. 2) Social darwinism, profoundly uncompassionate and thus disconnected from the really scary path - defying the eho trip of turning suffering into a game that is terrfied of the erroneously perceived prospect of there being no more problems to overcome that can inflate the egoic mind. 3) Righteousness is a low virtue, settled even below justice, which is a level that humankind is already struggling with severely. (Beyond justice then is kindness, and beyond that is integrity, and beyond that is the unfathomable way.) 4) Demonstrating utter corruption by daring to refer to Jesus in your selfish-chauvinist pursuit. You lack the humble meditative insight to interpret "For the Spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power, love and self-discipline." properly, plus being a cherrypicking exercise since the Bible is a huge book full of varied angles to enrich our perception of the world. Make my day by showing me potential for growth. As a weary soul I don't expect it or crave it, but since I am drunk right now, I am a bit closer to divinity than usual, so I can be forgiving.
I'd love to see you guys test 5.7x28 against SafeLife Defense's Level IIIA+, which they CLAIM can stop newer SBA-piercing ammo including 5.7x28 out of an FN 5.7 pistol.
Several IIIA armor choices will stop 5.7 but many will not. I think one of the important considerations is how much energy is left for terminal performance after it makes it through. The 5.7 is in my opinion a good one for this if you can only carry a pistol but for armor, a rifle is definitely better. They are just a little hard to tuck into your holster.
@@douglassinclaire9968 its just regular force being applied due to the momentum of the block pushing against the table. Hydrostatic means: the equilibrium of liquids and the pressure exerted by liquid at rest. "the hydrostatic pressure of the cell", the pressure a cell contains when its just sitting there, compared to the outside pressure it exists within. The gel block is not at rest, its moving rather violently.
Love the content and how you show how each bullet penetrates. Have to say this though, at 9:30 bro popped up behind you looking like bubbles on trailer park boys 🤣😂
The Five-seveN was my favorite pistol in Counter-Strike 1.6 so that was the very first gun I bought when I came of age. I still have it to this day and I absolutely love it.
Same bought it cause of CS. I bought some of the exotic ammo 10 years ago when was alot alot cheaper. SS190, T6B, S4M. The regular ammo you find now days is super weak.
Thanks for the shoutout! Great way to wrap a video. We're always here for the carnage! Pretty disappointed with the 5.7 performance really. Old school technology just doesn't seem to get as much out of that round. Might be something we can bring some innovation to... Saw some questions in the comments about what G9 round was used there. It was our 9mm 80gr External Hollow Point, not sure if it was +P or standard...
It wasn't impressive because the ammo they were using is grossly underpowered. Much of the commercial 5.7 sucks. Would love to see you guys do a full power 5.7 similar to Elite Ammunition.
I think it is a necessity @@Mavairsoft It looks a lot better than the typical .380 offered to us of smaller stature. Can you get some .224 profile G9 projectiles to experiment with? Daddy will reload me whatever I ask for (if he has the components...)
I rarely post comments. However, this was rare form for the Boyz. So funny, so entertaining. If the audience has to pause the video to laugh you've found the target. Excellent work.
So a few toobers have tried the pen rounds v armor .. on one test with a pistol not ps90 the only rounds that could pen 3a armor were ss190 and ss198lf ( green tip ss195lf with slightly more powder) could pen the 3a soft armor. Even normal fmj was doing well if i recall. But when it comes to rifle rated plates lvl 4 its not going through
well, most test i have seen on youtube always counts on the plate catching the bullets, i dunno if most care for a real test of the rest of the protection. As i dunno if this would take out "real" plates. By real i mean not just scrap metal plates. lol
What myth. It was advertised and feared for being penetrative against soft armor, which most concealed armor are. That was back when it become popular, though. Concealed armor these days could get pretty hefty. Even hard level III would shit on it.
I have only seen one comment about the atrocity committed by a P.O.S. at Ft. Hood on Nov. 20, 2009. I pray we have not forgotten those fallen and wounded. The weapon was the FN Five-Seven loaded with civilian FNH SS197SR 40 gr. V-MAX cartridge. Of the 13 killed, 6 were shot in the chest (with 4 likely as they were charging the shooter), 1 in abdomen, 1 to the head, and 1 with no description of wound. Of the 30 wounded, 5 were shot in the back (2 twice), 2 were shot in chest and back. All shots taken at self-defense distances. Essentially all shots to the chest (i.e., center mass/thoracic cavity) were fatal. I think that speaks very well of the round's capability and when you take into account the extremely low recoil and extra round capacity, it may be a better option than 9mm. The 5.7x28 doesn't make impressive entry and exit wounds, but the right round does significant internal damage. Out of the PS-90, that performance can extend to 150-200 yards.
It been a long time since I read about that shooting. But didn't he use 2 guns the 5.7x28 and a 357 mag? And of the people that died most were shot with the 357 not the 5.7x28?
@@tbjtbj4786 First, compare the two weapons: 1) "Older" .357 magnum revolver: I cannot find anything about which model, but let's assume 6-round cylinder, significant recoil, slow & frequent reload required. 2) FN Five-seven: Fed from 20-round magazine, very light, controllable recoil, fast follow-up shots, fast reload; according to gun store employees that assisted in the purchase it was chosen because it had one of the highest magazine capacities. Inside the building, 146 rounds were fired, 60% finding their target. Outside another 68 rounds fired with 40% hit ratio. 214 total rounds fired killing 13 (plus an unborn child) and wounding 32. No indications the .357 was fired. The P.O.S. was hit 5 times by 9mm and though paralyzed from neck down, survived. Here is a link to an excellent source on the incident, even keeping the source/website in perspective: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Fort_Hood_shooting Make you own determination and choices, but if there was a 5.7x28 small enough to carry concealed, I would be packing it. If it gets to where I will be continually wearing some big iron on my hip, it will be the S&W M&P 5.7: 22-round magazine, almost no recoil, and a round that (in my opinion) has more than proven itself.
@tbjtbj4786 he did not fire the 357, all fatalities and injuries were from the 5.7 You can scan all the news sources and read the articles or look at the reports online - all from 5.7
@@12ajenson94I like this channel, but, gun bros don't understand the 5.7 cartridge, hence the 22 magnum comment. It's very deadly, it does not make impressive entry nor exit wounds, but between Ft Hood, various cartel incidents where reports are available and the incident you cited, it's a lethal round with a center mass hit.
🤣 Garand Thumb: insults everyone about being unable to handle 9mm due to more recoil ALSO Garand Thumb: immediately proceeds to be less accurate than desired due to self-professed increased recoil... Priceless humor! ♥️ Never change, guys... 😊
The David Swine remarks were savage. Keep it up. The water drop sound effects on the gut shots had me rolling. Charlie being back is awesome. Thanks for all you guys do. Making Sunday great.
Video idea…the “one caliber” challenge. You each get a rifle and pistol that fires the same round, so like Micah with the 5.7, Mike with the 9mm, Charlie with 45ACP, whatever. Then you compete in both close and distance shots. Looking for 1 caliber that can do “it all”
I think you're really going to struggle to find (non esoteric) calibres that perform well in both roles. Anything that's good in a pistol really isn't going to get much better with a rifle or carbine aside from a slight bump in muzzle velocity and the controllability a rifle gives you. Or you could just go mental and get a BFR chambered in 45-70 if you no longer like your wrists.
Nobody wants to talk about it because of the context, but it successfully stopped able-bodied people who were charging the shooter. Most 5.7 "knowledge" on the internet is a self-sustaining incestuous whirlpool of gun shop jabber. Most caliber discussions are the same, to be fair.
These were the sidearms on Battlestar Galactica (with a fake grenade launcher attachment.) They portrayed the 5.7 as being capable of knocking a grown man off his feet when hit.
And the P90 was used on Stargate SG-1 where it was killing suped up alien warriors wearing armor. At least on BSG they weren't supposed to be actual FN 5.7s but apparently some people can't tell the difference.
@@transtubular To be fair, in Stargate they used P90s on full auto to shred armored opponents, which is the exact purpose of the P90 and its 5.7 round. They're not designed to rival 9mm in stopping power vs unarmored opponents. The purpose is to give rifle-style armor penetration in a smaller-than-rifle package. Obviously stopping power is what had to be sacrificed to achieve this. That's why the P90 has a 50 round mag and an ungodly fire rate. You might shrug off the first five. Maybe even the first fifteen. Probably not gonna shrug off thirty. The human body isn't designed for that many extra holes.
Suprised i haven't seen this in any comments, 5.7 is similar to 10mm in the way that off the shelf ammo is usually not full power....All of those you tested are watered down "civilian" 5.7 loadings. Elite Ammo, Vanguard outfitters and 80 teeth all make full power 5.7x28 that smokes everything you showed. They are 3A armor piercing as well.
Would be interesting for home defense reasons to see how the bullet differences would have on terminal ballistics afterwards when passing through sheetrock walls.
@@zack9912000 Oh, I think you need to read the Ft.Hood report, and see the pictures of cartel hits. Plenty of vitals were perforated, plenty of broken bones, more than adequate. And yes, has a wonderful ability to pen targets, and not sheetrock, mitigating collateral much better than most common rounds inside a structure.
There was a secret Air Force Spec Ops unit, stationed in one of the basements of Cheyenne Mountain complex that made great use with the round out of the P90 tho..
So I recently picked up a 57 for a fun gun. Realized quickly it would make a perfect varmint pistol. If I had to use it for defense I would. But I'll carry a nine for that. But like out on the deer lease or in the pasture and I'm just popping rats or rabbits hell yeah. Excellent pistol training with an effective little round for small critters. It literally will do anything at 22 Magnum rifle would do. But fits in a holster. Personally I think it's a neat little thing. I have the PSA Rock 57 and the absolute first shot I ever made with this round I stopped thinking the pistol didn't cycle lol thought something went wrong it felt so weird. I do agree that people have a bad tendency to compare pistol rounds to rifle rounds which are not anywhere within the same league. Basic 762x39 will outperform even your coolest revolver rounds. And there is no semi-auto round that comes anywhere close. And 762x39 is definitely not a superpower round.
I like the idea of being able to follow up shots so fast. Might not be the deadliest pistol around, but you have very little recoil with 20 rounds to squeeze out. I wouldn’t be disappointed to have one of these if I ever, god forbid, got into any kind of shootout with someone.
It depends more on your accuracy under pressure due to worse tissue damage and hydrostatic shock. You have to actually hit vital organs that will stop your attacker. If the difference is you get 1-2 extra shot off with the 5.7 vs 9mm under duress then its really difficult to say that 5.7 would be better. Ontop of the fact youre less likely to train with it as regularly because of ammo availability and cost.
For fast follow up the FN57 pistol won’t be great. Shitty trigger that makes taking advantage of the recoil diffuclt. Especially under anything other than range conditions.
I picked up the 5.7x28 for my girlfriend. She'll shoot the 9mm decently but is not very comfortable with it. She originally had a 22lr handgun but with so many downsides to rimfire made me want to upgrade her handgun. The 5.7x28 does have a very light felt recoil and with 22 rounds on board it's hard to fault.
I would have thought that ladies who struggle with 9mm are likely to have small hands. 5.7 would trade one problem for another. I known a few ladies who could not get their hands around a P226.
@@blantant Unfortunately the 380s are mainly small frame guns and are just as snappy as the 9mm. If you have not shot the S&W 5.7 I highly recommend giving it a try. One of the big selling points for me was the 22 round capacity as well. It's so easy to shoot fast you can put a lot of holes in something pretty darn quick.
@@kiwigrunt330 She's 5'10" tall and her hands are "bigger" than mine...at least overall length. I could totally see this being an issue though as the 5.7 grips are a little chunky. The felt recoil is just so much less than a 9mm it's very surprising, if you haven't had a chance to shoot one yet I highly recommend giving it a try. In reality I wish she was comfortable shooting my Glock 20 10mm with some hot Underwood ammo. She has shot it and shoots it decently well but again, she not comfortable with it. I'd rather have her be confident in shooting than have a hand cannon.
Which pistol did you get? Saying you have 22 rounds makes me think it might be the PSA Rock. The M&P and the Ruger only have 20rd mags as far as I know. Even if you went big and spent $1k+ on an FN FiveSeven, I think those are still only 20rds.
I saw a post on X from S&W about 5.7 pistols this morning and realized I don't know anything about 5.7 pistols. So I went to RUclips and punched in 5.7 pistols and this was the first video. I knew I would get the straight dope here. Been following for so long and have received so much valuable insight from plate carriers to movement to contact. Once again great video, informative and entertaining. It's like being back in the army where "shooting the shit" with old school NCOs turns into some great "hip pocket " training.
@@RoninMike-DR With the right ammo, I'd take it over a 9mm any day...well, unless that 9mm is Liberty CD or OW. That's the same concept, but even slightly more powerful.
I’m not gonna lie, the relatively “clean” wounds look awesome to me. It dumps most of its energy IN the target from what I see, but has enough pepper to do some real damage. I think it’s better than an SMG round than a pistol round, though.
5.7 is probably more lethal in some ways than 9mm, but it might take longer if there's only one hit. Typically when bullets/frag enter the body and don't come out they create significant risks of infection, future internal injuries, and many times can't be removed without causing worse problems. If I had to be shot, I would pick something that goes through me and doesn't break up. I'll either die quickly or survive. A 5.7 that doesn't exit or frags will kill over the course of days or weeks.
@@Machinereplica people don’t get that though. With almost every round, there’s a give and take. There’s things 5.7 does better than 9mm and there’s things 9mm goes better than 5.7. Depends on what you value and prefer for the given situation you may or may not be in. There’s always a give and take with different ammunitions
Speer neutered their Gold Dot in 5.7 x 28 after 2020. From ~1850 fps down to ~1730 fps and changed the tip (doesn't expand in clear gel w/pistol). I have video uploaded showing the difference to their ammo from 2020 to 2022. Others have been slowed down, too.
If you're going as low as 28-grain, why not go to .17 HMR? Sure, it's only 20 grain, but it's way faster than a 5.7, like 2350fps. The 17-grain is even faster at 2650fps, and those things expand/explode on impact. Based rimfire 😗👌🏻
@@mrkeogh The Speer Gold Dot is 40 gr, not 28. The 28 grain can be easily loaded to 2400 fps, which means your 20 grain @ 2350 is no comparison. (245 ft-lbs vs 358 ft-lbs). Just watched .17 thru chrono and it's (Norma ammo) 2700 fps from a rifle. That's 275 ft-lbs. That's less energy from a rifle, than a 5.7 x 28 using a pistol. Reasonable 5.7 loads should be 325 - 350 ft-lbs. So the same reason to not use .22 mag...because too weak and you said it yourself....rimfire.
also keep in mind : FNH/FN America's contract with most companies has resulted in a purposed reduction in velocity to reduce the performance of 5.7x28 ammunition (probably at the fbi's request). speer gold dot being one of the worst... aac's velocity seems to be one of the best. but the projectile performance isnt quite there yet. of course, if you get your hands on older ammunition or private loads, you will see how the 5.7x28 USE to perform...
Yep. 5.7mm Gold Dot produces some of the worst ballistics compared to most other 5.7mm brands. Guntreviews has a side by side of Gold Dot vs SS197 with the SS197 penetrating 2" further and producing a significantly larger wound channel despite costing roughly 1/3 that of Gold Dot.
Your getting the watered down ammo. Almost all civilian 5.7x28 ammo has been purposely watered down by law. (They were going to outlaw the caliber but decided to ban full strength ammo do to how lethal it is) you will literally almost always find only the same 3 rounds. If you have connections you can get nato sourced rounds. Also almost all civilian 5.7x28 firearms say “do not use p+ ammo” even on firearms that can handle the increased PSI which confirms better rounds are available and they do not want you to use them
Right so try to find inside conmections to get equally ballistically performing rounds rather than just get a more mainstream caliber that doesnt requirinf findinf waldo for "special" ammo. Logic.
Thank you guys for being you please never change! Also I’ve never felt so validated in my carry ammo….G9 the goat baby! Ps please test the 556 and other rounds from G9 they are absolutely devastating
you should see how much damage a 17 hmr would do to the body. everytime i hit squirrels they tend to have the upper body fly a few feet from the lower half. love the video.
I think they should do one where they test a projectile on a human torso that is traveling at the upscale equivalent of a 17 HMR versus a squirrel. Or maybe that was taken care of in the artillery round test?
The 40 grain defeats the whole purpose of the gun… the extra weight slows the bullet down. This is clown world . I’m going to use the heaviest bullets possible for a gun that is supposed to kill with speed.
The fact some of those rounds caused that internal explosion from the handgun is extraordinary. That capability alone is making me consider getting one. You usually need a rifle with at least a 16” barrel to achieve that. That’s awesome and important knowledge when considering what caliber, barrel, and cartridge to use for a given application.
If I remember correctly; 5.7 was designed, in the late 80’s, for the specific purpose of countering soviet bloc body armor of the time. More specifically the high penetration, armor piercing cartridge that hasn’t been produced or easily obtainable for the past 20-25 years.
Fun fact, Oxide tested both 5.7 AP and 4.6mm AP out of their respective platforms against contemporary Soviet paratrooper armor, and neither one made it through. The 4.6mm round did better against some of the older, thinner plates, but the updated versions shrugged off both rounds without much effort.
Its a very common myth but no, they were never meant to penetrate paratrooper armour. There was a requirement to penetrate the soviet equivalent of roughly 3a, but that was mostly to keep 9mm out of the competition. Both rounds/firearms were designed as a rear echelon weapon to replace pistols and other pistol caliber weapons. The big advantage being the speed of a spitzer bullet, especially at ranges past 50 meters. Dont think, "this is meant to let supply techs waste paras all day." Think "this is going to give the sup techs a better ability to produce effective shots at farther ranges, so they can gfto"
You had touched on it in the last few seconds of the video: The 5.7 was designed to be a body-armor defeating round. Do you plan to do a video comparing it to 9mm in that respect? Would be interesting to compare again. Not that most people should be expecting to engage someone with body-armor of course (and most won't have access to AP ammo), but still would be a fun video.
Paul Harrel with the Ruger LC vs his AR-15 and his 12-shot drill. AR= 23.5 seconds Ruger LC = 17.4 seconds So 35% more time with his AR to make the 12 shots. People want to say, "less recoil" and then move on w/o really getting into the weeds on what that can actually mean. If you have 3-5 "unwelcome intruders" make their way through your front door and you are half asleep? I can tell you which is beside my bed after seeing his video. The AR isn't far away, though.
@gggg-xv7nb No. It was the AR15. My reply doesn't make much sense under this OP so I might have posted the reply to wrong comment. I swear utube does that sometimes, but it might have just been me.
The 5.7 is not capable of penetrating modern body armor, and even alot of modern soft armor vests. It definitely will not penetrate any rifle grade threats. The biggest problem as well is even back in the day when it was tested on a NASTO CRISAT vest (which was what nato thought soviet troops would be wearing) after penetration the SS190 AP round required to penetrate it at all had even less ballistic depth due to the velocity slowing of the cartridge upon impact with the armor. Every round failed to reach what was considered a lethal wounding, or reliably hit organ depth. CRISAT armor is in every way outdated, and the modern UHMWPE and Kevlar vests we have now are multiple times stronger than the only NATO CRISAT they tested. There is videos online with various 5.7 rounds being tested against NIJ-II and NIJ-IIIA vests. NIJ-II doesnt stop it, NIJ-IIIA is a mixed bag based on manufacturers. The NEW NIJ-HG-2 requirements, that were passed as of 2023, require soft armor to stop carbine length velocities of pistol cartridges as well, so its unlikely it will penetrate any of these vests going forward. As for comparisons, 9MM AP is extremely rare, and almost not made anymore. Pistol rounds are considerably out dated on the modern field so nations stopped producing them for the most part where it is cheaper, easier to make, and mass produce rifle cartridges did the job.
@@FenrisulfrSkarrit's been proven, time and again, that SS190 Black Tip goes through lvl 3 at 20 yards or less. No 9mm round is available offering competition. There's plenty of videos demonstrating the fact and at least three loading manuals that will attest to it.
For self defense, penetration is not what you need. The higher round count, lighter bullets, less recoil and the accuracy at range is just a bonus. They make this gun a great option for home self defense especially with the 40 grain vmax bullets. They fragment and make over penetration less and its less likely to hurt someone behind the target.
Yup I switched to 10mm earlier this year. Took about 500 rounds to really get the recoil control where I wanted and after about 1500 rounds the split times between my Glock 20 and Glock 19 are negligible.
Depends what purpose you intend to use it for. I have several 10's & I cant shoot as fast & accurately as I can with 9, 40 or 45. Any guy will say they shoot it just as good but they dont shoot competition & running drills with their 10's so I call bullshit on ever single one of them. It's just known facts that 9 can be controlled & with faster follow up shots. 10 mills in a gun battle I would think could also get you killed.
I concur. If I could only have one pistol, it would be my gen 5 Glock 20 10mm-which also shoots .40 cal just fine too. Thats what we in America call a two-fer. Tons of options for 10mm ammo too.
Charlie's energy and his ability to throw Mike off genuinely is amazing, unmatched and unique. It makes these videos so fun to watch.
I haven't watched a lot of their videos but Charlie is wild. In a calm different and like you said...unique way.
Yes sir. Yay Charlie! 🎉
Charlie is like the Casio Keyboard, to
Mike Jones' Rap Lyrics.
@@gemini2in1he's wild....in a calm way?
Mangis
I love how Charlie is normal at times, and then just: “Kill people with hammers!!!”
He is a man of class and intelligence lol
Hammers are completely normal. You telling me you don't have multiple car hammers with you whenever you're out? What if you need to remove some nails, or have faulty equipment that needs a little percussive maintenance?
I read "kill people with hamsters!!!" and it didn't even occur to me I read it wrong 😂
theres going to be a netfix documentary at some point...
@@Stealth86651 I wear my tool belt to bed, hammers on both sides. Hammer time!
I love how Micah is treated as comedic relief but straight up outshoots everyone
For real
That's basically real life in a nutshell.
Dude is slaying it.
Micah Bell?
charles?
I had a FiveseveN years ago. We bought the SS197 ammo from FN and it penetrated both sides of a soft Kevlar vest. It was a small hollow point round but it went straight through the vest. They stopped making the SS197 round, I would imagine because it was penetrating like that while it was designed to be a "civilian" round rather than the 190 armor piercing. I was full time law enforcement and still couldn't get my hands on the armor piercing rounds. You had to buy them through a department at that time, you couldn't have a letterhead to bring to the gun shop. It was a great pistol, I carried it as a secondary on SWAT. Almost no recoil and it barked some flames. I think the ammo now is toned down.
i have 2 boxes of ss197 in my closet right now that i bought like 1 year ago, they did not stop making it
What was your primary pistol at the time? Curiosity…
@@jaimeramos2644A Glock 19. Back then you had to buy most of your own stuff. They had a few UMP 45s and one ancient MP5SD. When I got in narcotics and did a lot of high risk search warrants I had an issued DPMS Panther with a 10 inch barrel and fun switch. I miss it...
@@user-nb8yt2il2rNo kidding? I couldn't find them anywhere. I thought they quietly stopped making them. I wish I would have never sold the pistol. At least the guy I sold it to had the PS-90 so it made a nice pair.
SS197SR is not a hollow round, it's the "standard round" from fn with a blue tip, and it's sold at every academy and bass pro...
Despite this performance, I still wouldn't mind a Part 2 where you try shooting the 5.7 at various kinds of armor and maybe even different types of cover, and compare it to some other calibers.
Sadly they are using garbage ammo here. Speer ruined their Gold Dot in 5.7 when it comes to using a pistol.
@@ShastaBeanwhat ammo do you run for 5.7?
@@Romanus- I've tested a fair amount of it, and sadly have lost confidence in factory loads. I post the videos of results I've had. Big companies are nerf'ing it and the boutique sellers have been inconsistent...so I'm working on coming up with my own loads. Lots of options in that regard.
I currently carry the 2020 Speer Gold Dot (after crimping them all). That round did perfectly in my gel test. It used to have cycling issues however, in the PS90 feeding system.
...but if I had to buy new factory ammo and they have their act straightened out I'd be using the Vanguard 36 gr GPM, and/or the R&R; either the 30 gr (Cutting Edge Raptor bullets) and/or the 37 gr X (Maker bullet). All are unavailable last I checked a few days ago.
AAC has the (slightly) fastest 40 gr VMAX but have seen some what look like case-sizing issues that some have had, in the ROCK, ironically.
@@ShastaBeanyea the aac ran like shit in my ruger fifty seven as well. I just carry fn ammo for now. I’ve been very disappointed with the market lately for 5.7 ammo and am debating selling my Ruger
@@ShastaBean every commercial 5.7 in America is neutered intentionally. Maybe we'd see better results with some of the fun ammo from gunbroker. I have a 5.7 but I certainly wouldn't carry it for the sole fact that I can't afford the fun ammo.
I died at “It seems to do exactly what all the other bullets we’ve tested done which is, it will… fuck you up”
Charlie is the goat
Same
Nah fr that shit was funny ah
It’s a good varmint round. I wouldn’t use it for self defense.
Why not for self defense? @@ryanranard5187
I’m glad that Charlie’s back and that he’s okay.
I'm a bit out of the loop, what happened to him?
@xShepZ I heard he had a baby..I think it was a joke he was sick..not sure.
@@xShepZall of them lived in Washington but Mike and Micah moved to Idaho. Charlie just left Washington finally to follow them to Idaho
what even happened I haven't watched grand thumb in like 3 weeks
Glad to see Charlie's is back & healthy 🙌 🙏🏻
@12:23 "Pistols put holes in people. Rifles put holes through people. Shotguns, at the right range with the right load, will physically remove a chunk of shit off your opponent and throw that shit on the floor..." -The Immortal Clint Smith
Then i get why my 10mm p320 is a wireless hole puncher. Cause that goes through
I have an AR12 shotgun that has been well broken in with 00 buck. Lol
I know a guy missing a whole portion of his shoulder and back from a shotgun blast. Maury had a few survivors on his show back in the days
The 5.7x28 was the round of choice for Stargate Command, so it's clearly a highly capable and lethal round.
Indeed.
That was for everyday aliens, they always busted out a m16 or saw for the boss battles, or the magic staffs.
But they didn’t use it for pistols 😉
It made sense to carry the P90 as PDW since they weren’t expecting to fight a war wherever they went.
meh m4 carbine would have served just fine@@kimjanek646
@@BasedPatriot-USA Goa'uld Kree
Met some BELSOF guys a few years ago. They said the 5.7 pistols were great if youre shooting someone 100m away and they're wearing armor, but it just whipped through people in the GWOT. The ammo was hard to come by and they couldn't "borrow" from anyone else. They missed their Browning HP. The "bloop" at the 13:32 mark was hilarious.
Hahah so good 13:28 better time stamp if you want to jump to and hear it
It's my service pistol as well and I confirm this. It's great for "long range" for a pistol. 50m distance is really easy. The accuracy is stunning but if you have smaller hands it is also not that to grip
What the shooting for?
I mean it wasn’t really designed for a handgun in the first place. The p90 in full auto was a really controllable bullet hose that had a deep magazine. Dump 10-15 rounds that zip through someone in a quick burst and they’re not getting back up. They just happened to make a compatible handgun so that you could have ammo commonality between PDW and a handgun. Carry more of the same Ammo since it’s small and light.
@@inferninx It's the story that everybody should know by now unless they're new to firearms in general. The P90, though awkward for many, would still be really easy to use for military personnel that qualify once with a service rifle and pretty much never use one again in their entire career. The sort of thing you can give to such people or have within easy access for such people who are in or near combat zones where the proverbial shit could potentially and unexpected hit the fan. With the common example being oh shit there's russians parachuting into this camp that is a hundred miles or more behind any front line combat zone.
Not necessarily a bad concept, but realistically one that introduces a platform which has very little practical or effective value for combat personnel and one which introduces unnecessary logistical requirements.
Pistols and pistol caliber platforms really don't make much sense in the grand scheme of things. Everybody would be better off if the various institutions adopted more rigorous training and skills maintenance regimes. Take all those people that are enlisted, but for all intents and purposes, non-combatants and make them attain and maintain real proficiency with the existing platforms.
Not only does the beefy 9mm quickly degrade wrist stability, it also blows the lung out of the body
Elitist level of joke
Oh yeah and if it can do that to the lungs imagine what it can do to the stoamach.
@@ArchangelGR22it can make you a delicious meal? man i need some more 9mm if it can cook me a hamburger
Only in Sleepily Joe's universe.
Great you’re one of them. 9mm girlie. 9mm are so cheeks. I’d take a 5.7 over a 9mm all day.
New to these videos. I want to point out that just because a round stops in the gel and doesn't blow everything apart is exactly the point. You want the bullet to stop in the target, so you're less worried about what's behind the target. You don't want a home defense weapon whose bullets exit the burglar and then your whole house.
I love that the closing arguments is basically just:
"It's a bullet, and bullets f**k people up, so it'll f**k you up"
I’m just so glad that Charlie is back! I’ve never seen someone heal as fast as him! I mean, c’mon, he had the worst case of hemorrhoids/poison ivy that I’ve ever witnessed! He’s a real trooper! Rock on Charlie
I thought it was parasitic hemorrhoid's
Thanks to that rawwwww milk
Charlie is a real man, not like David Hogg!
You understand a hemorrhoid and poison oak are two different things? Not sure how one could cause the other there’s a story here???
@@danielcurtis1434 I’m a backwoods redneck from Maine- I’m quite aware of what they are, and their differences. As far as how someone ends up on deaths bed, with both, is a story for Charlie to tell. Godspeed Charlie
I want a full version of Charlie explaining the different parts and functions of the human bodies. He did just finally become a doctor after all. I felt like I was actually learning something.
I was legit pissed when papa flannel cut him off at that point
As a medical professional, I’d watch that.
They should upload that as it's own video
I want the "raw milk" story.... i knew it
The beauty of the 5.7x28mm is that it combines the advantages of the .22lr with the advantages of the 9mm. It is soft shooting, light and pistols have a lot of capacity like in the case of the .22lr while at the same time it has reliability and terminal performance that compares favorably with the 9mm.
Well… plus the fact that it double-stacks like 9mm and gives you nearly double the capacity. Massive force-multiplier there.
I'd love to see MP7 vs P90 ballistic performance. They have very similar mythos associated with them.
I would say he would be hard pressed to get his hands on an MP7 but he got an AN-94 so....
mp7 is trash though.
Sorry it IS amazing in the videa games, but IRL its wonky trash.
they were both designed for exactly the same contract. its really interesting how it worked out.
The funny thing is that the 4.7×28 is the civilian variant and the military is using 4.6×30 and that is a big change in performance. We tested it once in the Army
"It seems to do exactly what all the other bullets we've tested done.... which is they will fuck you up".... That my friends is the internet Gold Standard right there. Outstanding!
but does 5.7 scream FREEDOM when you shoot it? no. it just..waffles out of the barrel...
The 5.7 will disappear like the 17s. No real purpose, can’t get the ammo, no one is set up to reload it and so much more. Can’t sell the pistols to begin with!!!
I’m no expert and I’ve never even shot a 5.7. But I’d assume it really shines in the P90 on full auto with the 50 round mags and armor piercing bullets. That’s what I think it was really designed for. SMG, up close and personal against armor. It would work very well there I believe.
I agree 💯
I figured it to be a cut down .556 literally that’s pretty much it right.
5.7's only real niche is natural armor piercing capabilities
Agreed. Brokeboys can also opt for a "switch " device on the 5.7 with a drum mag and a extended barrel I'm sure the hood will love that build.
🛑🛑JK🛑🛑
In all seriousness fedbois wouldn't like that at all please take this as a joke😂
@@trev970def just got on a list lol
The raw milk then needle to the aim joke had me laughing more then I probably should have.
Greg Doucette NATTY OR NOT!
pretty sure it's "Melk"
@@chirpinsquirrel8710are we all watching the same content?
@@rickshaw3397im not chirpinsquirrel8710 but yes
Supraphysiological doses of raw milk.
Would have been cool to test against some soft armor and see how true the "armor piercing" abilities of 5.7 actually are
You can’t buy the real ap round as civilians
check out Buffman - R.A.N.G.E. for videos on different 5.7 ammunitions types of different targets/armor.
@@bernardbockwurst where?? Are you talking the actual armor piercing round? I’d like a link. Just for educational purposes of course
Actually you can purchase the AP round, however you have to buy from overseas and expect upwards of $300 a box, so there is that
@@sidfernandez1232 both Elite Ammunition and Vanguard Outfitters sell a more "affordable" custom made AP round designed around pistol length barrels
The round was designed to defeat a kevlar helmet at 100 yds. A very specific use case, but yeah, without a tungsten penetrator cored bullet, and on an unarmored target, it isn't great compared to 9mm. Also, glad Charlie is back. Love how he is picking through the dead dummy and putting pieces in his pocket.
I own a Five seveN, actually the same exact model GT is using. I arrived at the conclusion based on my own testing years ago that 5.7, for civilians is really actually pretty pointless unless you got some SS190 penetrators laying around. You are better off going with 9mm to be honest and if you really want to pierce soft body armor theres better options for that. Like 7.62x25 tokarev.
Theres a cool video of James Reeves seriously penetrating a level 3 plate with a Five seveN using SS190. That's plate is meant to stop 7.62x39 and it went through it. Pretty impressive, but since we cant get SS190... again it's pretty pointless for civilians I'm afraid.
I could never justify the price for one. It just felt insanely overpriced for a high pressure 22 magnum with a chonky plastic frame.@@USA_djhiggi77
Had a friend that got shot in Dallas by 5.7 definitely fucked him up all the same so ide say a bullets a bullet at the end of the day cause I promise you ain't taking a shot from it and walking around like it's a mosquito bite. Yes he didn't die but he said it hurt all the same.
As far as I know, the 5.7x28 round was in fact designed to defeat *old design* kevlar body armor that became standard issue to Russian infantry in 1989. Back then, the armor was *barely* enough to stop 9x19 and .45 ACP rounds. The US military primarily used MP5s chambered in 9x19mm for rear line and support troops. The main concern was that Russia could drop paratroopers behind NATO lines and the troops would be unable to stop them! Real scare there! Anyway, the 5.7 and P90 were designed as a PDW for rear line and support troops and could defeat old design kevlar armor used the the 1980s-1990s. Nowadays body armor has gotten much better and the 5.7x28 round is just obsolete.
@@corkbulb2895 You're mostly right but I have no clue where you got the idea that the US widely issued MP5s to rear echelon troops. That isn't true at all.
the FN 5.7x28mm round's terminal capability was demonstrated in a Fort Hood shooting where the shooter killed all 13 people who were hit center mass using a 5.7 projectile - The FN 57 is actually deadly in real time In real scenarios and not target training on human replicas. It’s a pretty nasty round very deadly nothing to play with.
Damn, pretty nasty indeed!
.22 lr can kill just as easily. And just because its deadly doesnt mean its the best choice. Not to mention there are PLENTY of law enforcement shootings that say the 5.7 sucks.
The T6 B ammunition rounds are in a whole different league than a 22 long rifle round, and law-enforcement, they don’t like it because it’s a different type of round they’re trying to neutralize the threat, And they say it sucks because it’s not a versatile round like how they use hollow points what I’m talking about is on a whole Nother level the T6 you’re really shredding shit I don’t wanna incriminate myself, but I’ve seen what T6 B Project do to the human body. And I’m talking about fatalities, not like those rounds that those guys are demonstrating to you trust me as an army vet I know what I’m talking about and I know what I’ve seen, but it’s cool. I’m not talking about commercial rounds. The shit I’m talking about is illegal to have that’s how deadly these projectiles that I’m talking about are but that’s your perception and I have mine and it’s more intertwine with reality
And I’m a get up off these Internet comments , Have a blessed day
@@jake51515 did you really just claim 22lr can kill just as easily?
Funny!! (even if wildly wrong).
It's great to see a firearms channel that is creatively entertaining while maintaining it's technical education roots. Learning a lot!
As someone who absolutely loves the FN57, I'd love to see a comparison against armor.
yeah, that's like the main benefit of it iirc. weird they didn't do that.
Same, I've heard a lot about it being a really good armor piercing round, kinda disappointing that they didn't test it out with armor.
@@jamarrchasingjoe3310 you make a fine point
Or the T6B's and BDF's
The civilian ammo is not Ap lol and even the military crap is even penetrating level 3
Charlie is too funny! Thank goodness he is okay and getting better. Hopefully, he wont have any further issues and has more luck going forward.
I'd imagine he is, what kind of blood clot could survive 7 redbulls
@@maxscott3349doctor said he will poop it out, he will be fine
Love the evolution of everyone. You humor is a God send. Great Work!!!
I thought the 5.7 was intended to defeat soft armor lvl 3, even with just regular fmj. Would of been interesting to see 9m vs 5.7 on soft armor.
Yes but that is with actual AP ammo. I saw another channel a couple years back do a side by side with AP and standard 5.7. The AP 5.7 ripped through the soft armor. The standard however did worse then the 9mm and the 9mm with a solid round sailed right through the armor anyway.
And keep in mind you basically CANT get the AP 5.7 anymore. You can buy the brass solids from pretty much any firearms store.
I thought that as well
No level 2 body armor. Which nobody uses it anymore not even Mexican police
5.7 was the response to Soviet titanium-included body armor
@@arcticfox5118brass solid 9mm?
Handgun round that identifies as a rifle round 👀
lmao but a good way to put it
trans...caliber??
Really blows the lungs out now
💀💀💀@@DonutVIP
@@zack9912000 obviously it's for the p90 but it has characteristics of a miniaturized rifle round. Lol
I’m glad Charles is all bundled up. Wouldn’t want the little guy getting cold out there.
Just as I saw.your comment, he buttons up his coat fully 😂
Quick Answer, yes its deadly.
Long answer, yes it is deadly
It's a little insane the amount of "naa you can walk that off, it's a tiny hole" I don't think I'd be able to walk off any bullet to pretty much any part of me. Maybe I'm just not built from adamantium like these guys. I missed Charlie, such a funny guy!!
depends on if your adrenaline is going. also In 1899, a group of Moro tribesmen in the Philippines took umbrage toward a United States occupation force in the southern islands, thereby initiating what became known as the Moro Rebellion. The Moros were fierce fighters, with a reputation of resistance toward any outside rule. Officers in the U.S. force were armed with Colt Model 1892 revolvers chambered in .38 Long Colt, a cartridge that originated the blackpowder era. The load at the time featured a 150-grain lead round-nose bullet launched at 750 f.p.s. using smokeless powder. Muzzle energy was 201 ft.-lbs., about the same energy as a .380 ACP with a 90-grain bullet.
The Moros were reputed to tie themselves up with strips of vegetation from the jungles to prevent excessive bleeding and ingested locally made drugs to block the pain from wounds. Engagements involving the Colt double-action Model 1892 often resulted in the officer being killed or severely wounded by these motivated Moro juramentados. This prompted the War Department to launch the Thompson-LaGarde Tests of 1904. As expected, the rather grisly tests showed the .38 Long Colt significantly lacking in the power needed to stop a determined assailant.
This is how and why the .45 acp was invented.
You might surprise yourself with how tough you can be when it’s root hog or die
You’d be surprised, never sell yourself short! The human body and mind is stronger than we will ever give it credit for, me included
@@brandondavis4306 That's why the .38 special was developed.
Charlie is hilarious. Air quotes “raw milk” had me cracking up @9:06
“Raw” “milk 💪 💉”
Loved the ATF jabs haha
The water drop sound effects in the abdomen shot killed me 😂
Me too. I laughed so hard when the water drop sounded.
I read your comment first. The water drop sound was a lot funnier than I anticipated
@@patrickg6195 It was good huh 😂
0:10 the five-seven is also a favorite of Counter-Terrorist forces! (DISCLAIMER: STATEMENT MIGHT BE FALSE)
The chaos that Charlie brings to the team is appreciated.
And it's also needed 😌 love me some Charles
he IS Chaos Incarnate
Yes, we want that cut-take on digestional organ explanation perhaps more so then a review of a pcc that very few find desirable.
@@mrt2this607 Unironically so
The FN firearms chambered in 5.7X28 were primarily designed around the SS-190 ammo. Designed specifically to penetrate SBA. So standard pistol cartridges will be better for EDC.
Unless your target has SBA
On one hand you can buy 3A SBA for dirt cheap these days, some as low as $45/panel so SBA is far more common.
On the other hands Mr. Guns N Gear tested that $45 armor panel and it stopped EVERY pistol and shotgun round sent at it including commercially available 5.7mm.
It even “stopped” (technically) a .500S&W and .460 although it dragged the armor into the target.
The 5.7 armor piercing isn’t really available to us, however the 5.7 has some other really nice attributes that have come up in Paul Harrel videos.
Even with increased magazine capacity, accuracy, and reduced recoil?
@@zacharycox2014 but what does it mean when you have minimal damage.
Standard 5.7 defensive ammo is made specifically to do well at penetration and causing damage. So use defensive expanding ammo for defensive purposes. Unless of course, the criminals wear body armor in your locale.
We need to do long range sniping vs ballistic dummies already!
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The countryside background looks like where I grew up in NE Nevada; it was so awesome with minimal driving I could be out shooting where no one cared.
Carried a FN Five Seven as my duty backup for about 15 years. It was nice having a 20 round and 30 round mag and it was super light. I kept it in a closed pouch off hand side on my gun belt. That muzzle flash at night was insane.
May I ask what was your proffesion
@@a-t5380 Car mechanic
lucky guy, i'm sad everything is transitioning to glock 47 as someone who really doesn't like glocks
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@@dutchlogitechclan lmao.. yall crazy
The vids haven't been the same. The return of charlie makes it whole again. I love primary arms. I don't even put irons on my 3x microprism boomstick. I recommend them to everyone. Please don't muzzle Charlie
I didnt read microprism the first time lol
I recently added a 5.7 pistol with a red dot and a suppressor to my collection. I like it for a survival pistol for camping and hiking. It's nice when I want a bit more range but don't want to carry a rifle. A 5.7 pistol has similar capabilities as a 9mm or a .22 magnum rifle. The low recoil and lightweight ammo make it a good survival tool if you aren't expecting it to be magic.
As someone who has been shot by both 9mm and 5.7 and lived I can attest to them both making for a shitty recovery time. I can't tell you too much about this first incident but I can tell you for whatever reason the 9mm was a numb airy feeling hit with like the kind of pain you get from a firecracker going off in your hand or a hard smack from someone (mixed with adrenaline)...until I got to ER then the pain was def showing itself (hit once in the upper quad on right leg). The time I was hit by a 5.7 in the shoulder I will never forget. I was schobberknock drunk walking home from the bars in downtown Indianapolis (Broadripple) at about 2:30am when I was hit by a 5.7 round smack in my right shoulder right through my leather jacket intended for someone else in a drive by as I was walking thru the worst shady alley I could have picked just to get back to my apartment faster. The pain I felt from that MF was searing hot and super intense. It felt like what I imagine having a red hot stick of rebar slammed into your shoulder. I remember initially grabbing at it fumbling to make the pain stop like when you do when you burn the hell out of yourself to no avail. I actually ran myself to the police station a few streets away to get help. The 5.7 wound bled out more as well idk why but unlike the 9mm it went all the way thru my muscle and shoulder bone and out the other side. What sucked more? That's hard to say but what hurt more was the 5.7 without a doubt.
I've been shot with 9mm in the leg thru & thru flesh wound i didn't even go to the hospital but it did burn lik hell tho
You bled more because of the alcohol. It's a blood thinner.
@@rkjeffery777 Yeah for sure it was the liquor.
Thanks for letting us know not to be hit with a 5.7
No you didn't
These guys did a wonderful presentation of comparison of different rounds, but the only problem I have with this is, they’ll say all that about the 57 round until you get shot with it
Emt in Indianapolis here. Saw a man shot 3 times in the chest with 5.7 (pretty nice grouping too) and all 3 zipped right through him. Made a full recovery.
How did you find out what round he was shot with?
An FN 5.7 was sitting on the back of the officers car, and the suspect was in custody on scene.
It's Indianapolis, we pretty much just announce what we use it's so common
Wonder what ammo was used.
Now he is back out on the street. Looking to get his vengence. Sporting both a Punisher outfit. Witha Smith & Wesson in .44 magnum. With an 8" barrel loaded with 275 grain wadcutters.
Nothing more hilarious then watching Mike’s reaction to Charlie’s off the wall comments. 😄
"You're such a buzzkill sometimes on these videos, dude.." 😂😂😂
I tested both pistol and carbine back in 2000 for my department ,what you need is the black tip “AP” round. It went through a ballistic vest with no problem
Right, of course the AP ammunition is going to penetrate more than the standard round.
Same exact thing could be said about 10mm Auto: get the .10AP and you'll punch through a bulletproof vest no problem.
The video makes it very clear that the lack of any significant or noticeable damage from the 5.7 impact is very concerning for anyone carrying 5.7 in public.
@@ShadowLancer128 go look at elite ammunition s4 ammo.
@@ShadowLancer128 elite ammo s4 goes straight through level 3a at 2400 fps from a 5 inch barrel vs this at 1700 fps. The temporary cavity between 700 fps is quite literally pistol vs rifle.
@@ShadowLancer128nah not even 10mm AP bullet can do what a real 5,7 AP bullet can do...these guns almost got banned for a reason lol
@@ShadowLancer128 "The video makes it very clear that the lack of any significant or noticeable damage" that's not what happened in the video though?
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WE NEED A FULL REVIEW OF THE STEYR!
Shit is a unicorn that nobody knows about but it's one of the best 9mm's out there
Charlies dad advice is actually spot on (other then working for mike specifically). Dont think about how hard dropping everything and leaving is, just think of how much better your life can be once you rebuild somewhere better. I gave up my entire life, career, family and friends to leave canada and move a few hours south. 2 years of having to live apart from my wife to get the life we wanted in the place we wanted was worth every second as much as it sucked at times. If your sick of where you live, JUST LEAVE.
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This is TED Talk syndrome, so to speak. Those who succeeded tell their story. Those who didn't likely don't have the opportunity or motivation to share their story, also because few people want to hear it.
And usually there are also quite favorable conditions at play that push someone to make such steps.
Because how else can we explain the 'criminal neglect' of the awareness of how this world is in hardmode and every attempt to improve your situation comes with a huge risk of making it even worse instead?
@@Dowlphin You just explained risk vs reward. If you think the world is in hardmode now, what about the risk and hardships people went through before electricity, medicine, and your best bet at a better like was a 4 month boat ride followed by no support and harsh winters. You can either succumb to the fear of failure, or at least try.
Therein lies the weight and value of taking a risk for a better life. People who try will fail, but some will succeed. It's up to everyman to ensure that he is in the latter camp. Fortune favors the bold, and smiles on the righteous. If it were a guarantee, why would you deserve anymore than the people who are content enough to stay stagnant and not strive for a better life?
Besides the points above that can abide with every man's values and morals, if you are a Christian you have the distinct pleasure of having Jesus Christ on your side. 2 Timothy 1:7.
@@sincerelyme6928 You portray a rich buffet of folly.
1) Past times were not just missing the hardships of lowtech, but also the burdens of hightech. Technology is an externalized power trip that distracts us from our inner potential, also corrupting our understanding into redefining it as how well we work with that scheme.
2) Social darwinism, profoundly uncompassionate and thus disconnected from the really scary path - defying the eho trip of turning suffering into a game that is terrfied of the erroneously perceived prospect of there being no more problems to overcome that can inflate the egoic mind.
3) Righteousness is a low virtue, settled even below justice, which is a level that humankind is already struggling with severely. (Beyond justice then is kindness, and beyond that is integrity, and beyond that is the unfathomable way.)
4) Demonstrating utter corruption by daring to refer to Jesus in your selfish-chauvinist pursuit. You lack the humble meditative insight to interpret "For the Spirit God gave us does not make us timid, but gives us power, love and self-discipline." properly, plus being a cherrypicking exercise since the Bible is a huge book full of varied angles to enrich our perception of the world.
Make my day by showing me potential for growth. As a weary soul I don't expect it or crave it, but since I am drunk right now, I am a bit closer to divinity than usual, so I can be forgiving.
Millions of AIs agree.
I'd love to see you guys test 5.7x28 against SafeLife Defense's Level IIIA+, which they CLAIM can stop newer SBA-piercing ammo including 5.7x28 out of an FN 5.7 pistol.
Several IIIA armor choices will stop 5.7 but many will not. I think one of the important considerations is how much energy is left for terminal performance after it makes it through. The 5.7 is in my opinion a good one for this if you can only carry a pistol but for armor, a rifle is definitely better. They are just a little hard to tuck into your holster.
Intersting how the round at 7:18 imparted enough kenetic energy that it actually broke the table through the gel.
thats pretty normal for ballistics gel on those tables. I dont think ive seen a round hitting the bottom of the gel fail to break the table yet.
On a different note: I love your profile pic (of Selvaria Bles). VC is my all-time favorite series.
hydrostatic pressure, it wasnt far from table, a very low shot. That wouldnt happen if it was a center gel shot.
@@douglassinclaire9968 its just regular force being applied due to the momentum of the block pushing against the table.
Hydrostatic means: the equilibrium of liquids and the pressure exerted by liquid at rest.
"the hydrostatic pressure of the cell", the pressure a cell contains when its just sitting there, compared to the outside pressure it exists within.
The gel block is not at rest, its moving rather violently.
I’d hope it was a plastic table 😂
Love the content and how you show how each bullet penetrates. Have to say this though, at 9:30 bro popped up behind you looking like bubbles on trailer park boys 🤣😂
The Five-seveN was my favorite pistol in Counter-Strike 1.6 so that was the very first gun I bought when I came of age. I still have it to this day and I absolutely love it.
Same bought it cause of CS. I bought some of the exotic ammo 10 years ago when was alot alot cheaper. SS190, T6B, S4M. The regular ammo you find now days is super weak.
Thanks for the shoutout! Great way to wrap a video. We're always here for the carnage! Pretty disappointed with the 5.7 performance really. Old school technology just doesn't seem to get as much out of that round. Might be something we can bring some innovation to... Saw some questions in the comments about what G9 round was used there. It was our 9mm 80gr External Hollow Point, not sure if it was +P or standard...
you guys making a 5.7 round would be scary
@@Mavairsoft 💀☠
Please u have to make a 5.7 round 🙏
It wasn't impressive because the ammo they were using is grossly underpowered. Much of the commercial 5.7 sucks. Would love to see you guys do a full power 5.7 similar to Elite Ammunition.
I think it is a necessity @@Mavairsoft It looks a lot better than the typical .380 offered to us of smaller stature.
Can you get some .224 profile G9 projectiles to experiment with? Daddy will reload me whatever I ask for (if he has the components...)
I rarely post comments. However, this was rare form for the Boyz. So funny, so entertaining. If the audience has to pause the video to laugh you've found the target. Excellent work.
I like how you compare the most effective 9mm vs non-defense rated 5.7.
I'd love to see the round vs armor. I feel like this is one of the glorified myths about this round, and should be touched on here.
So a few toobers have tried the pen rounds v armor .. on one test with a pistol not ps90 the only rounds that could pen 3a armor were ss190 and ss198lf ( green tip ss195lf with slightly more powder) could pen the 3a soft armor. Even normal fmj was doing well if i recall. But when it comes to rifle rated plates lvl 4 its not going through
@@nathancomalander4417 Yeah, I've seen some of those as well. The round is goofy but will keeeeell
well, most test i have seen on youtube always counts on the plate catching the bullets, i dunno if most care for a real test of the rest of the protection.
As i dunno if this would take out "real" plates.
By real i mean not just scrap metal plates. lol
What myth. It was advertised and feared for being penetrative against soft armor, which most concealed armor are. That was back when it become popular, though. Concealed armor these days could get pretty hefty.
Even hard level III would shit on it.
"This looks like one of those shots you'd survive then 10 years later become a politician or some shit" gold 🤣
I’m so glad Charlie is back. He really ties everything together. 😊
He is the pissed on rug to Micah's The Dude.
(GT is Walter, Admin is Donny.)
@@evanbohnAdmin is out of his element.
I have only seen one comment about the atrocity committed by a P.O.S. at Ft. Hood on Nov. 20, 2009. I pray we have not forgotten those fallen and wounded. The weapon was the FN Five-Seven loaded with civilian FNH SS197SR 40 gr. V-MAX cartridge. Of the 13 killed, 6 were shot in the chest (with 4 likely as they were charging the shooter), 1 in abdomen, 1 to the head, and 1 with no description of wound. Of the 30 wounded, 5 were shot in the back (2 twice), 2 were shot in chest and back. All shots taken at self-defense distances. Essentially all shots to the chest (i.e., center mass/thoracic cavity) were fatal. I think that speaks very well of the round's capability and when you take into account the extremely low recoil and extra round capacity, it may be a better option than 9mm. The 5.7x28 doesn't make impressive entry and exit wounds, but the right round does significant internal damage. Out of the PS-90, that performance can extend to 150-200 yards.
It been a long time since I read about that shooting.
But didn't he use 2 guns the 5.7x28 and a 357 mag? And of the people that died most were shot with the 357 not the 5.7x28?
@@tbjtbj4786 First, compare the two weapons:
1) "Older" .357 magnum revolver: I cannot find anything about which model, but let's assume 6-round cylinder, significant recoil, slow & frequent reload required.
2) FN Five-seven: Fed from 20-round magazine, very light, controllable recoil, fast follow-up shots, fast reload; according to gun store employees that assisted in the purchase it was chosen because it had one of the highest magazine capacities.
Inside the building, 146 rounds were fired, 60% finding their target. Outside another 68 rounds fired with 40% hit ratio. 214 total rounds fired killing 13 (plus an unborn child) and wounding 32. No indications the .357 was fired.
The P.O.S. was hit 5 times by 9mm and though paralyzed from neck down, survived.
Here is a link to an excellent source on the incident, even keeping the source/website in perspective: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Fort_Hood_shooting
Make you own determination and choices, but if there was a 5.7x28 small enough to carry concealed, I would be packing it. If it gets to where I will be continually wearing some big iron on my hip, it will be the S&W M&P 5.7: 22-round magazine, almost no recoil, and a round that (in my opinion) has more than proven itself.
@@robertfuller7713there was an officer in wisconsin who died after getting in a shootout with someone who had the fiveseven
@tbjtbj4786 he did not fire the 357, all fatalities and injuries were from the 5.7
You can scan all the news sources and read the articles or look at the reports online - all from 5.7
@@12ajenson94I like this channel, but, gun bros don't understand the 5.7 cartridge, hence the 22 magnum comment. It's very deadly, it does not make impressive entry nor exit wounds, but between Ft Hood, various cartel incidents where reports are available and the incident you cited, it's a lethal round with a center mass hit.
My favorite part of church, watching garand thumb
This is not the way.
Bro same 😅
My favorite part of church is not going.
Shame shame....
Rev GT
So glad he's ok! Blood clots are not joke. I had one in my lungs that ended up hemorrhaging, super lucky to be here
Every episode with Charles is my favorite. Rewatching a ton of Garand thumb for it.
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Garand Thumb: insults everyone about being unable to handle 9mm due to more recoil
ALSO Garand Thumb: immediately proceeds to be less accurate than desired due to self-professed increased recoil...
Priceless humor! ♥️
Never change, guys... 😊
9mm has recoil ? says the magnum revolver guy
The David Swine remarks were savage. Keep it up. The water drop sound effects on the gut shots had me rolling. Charlie being back is awesome. Thanks for all you guys do. Making Sunday great.
Video idea…the “one caliber” challenge. You each get a rifle and pistol that fires the same round, so like Micah with the 5.7, Mike with the 9mm, Charlie with 45ACP, whatever. Then you compete in both close and distance shots. Looking for 1 caliber that can do “it all”
Brandon could guest star with fifty cal pistol and the ak 50
They make .30-06 pistols, so I choose that caliber.
I think you're really going to struggle to find (non esoteric) calibres that perform well in both roles. Anything that's good in a pistol really isn't going to get much better with a rifle or carbine aside from a slight bump in muzzle velocity and the controllability a rifle gives you.
Or you could just go mental and get a BFR chambered in 45-70 if you no longer like your wrists.
as a ruger PCC main, I really like this idea.
@@GillyTheGhillie what about 357 mag?
5.7 out of a pistol fucked up a lot of people at Fort Hood. Killed or incapacitated everyone who took a hit.
Nobody wants to talk about it because of the context, but it successfully stopped able-bodied people who were charging the shooter. Most 5.7 "knowledge" on the internet is a self-sustaining incestuous whirlpool of gun shop jabber. Most caliber discussions are the same, to be fair.
These were the sidearms on Battlestar Galactica (with a fake grenade launcher attachment.) They portrayed the 5.7 as being capable of knocking a grown man off his feet when hit.
Because that wasn’t a 57, it was a fictional space blaster that used a 57 as the model.
Really? I never knew that! Love that show
And the P90 was used on Stargate SG-1 where it was killing suped up alien warriors wearing armor. At least on BSG they weren't supposed to be actual FN 5.7s but apparently some people can't tell the difference.
@@transtubular To be fair, in Stargate they used P90s on full auto to shred armored opponents, which is the exact purpose of the P90 and its 5.7 round. They're not designed to rival 9mm in stopping power vs unarmored opponents. The purpose is to give rifle-style armor penetration in a smaller-than-rifle package. Obviously stopping power is what had to be sacrificed to achieve this. That's why the P90 has a 50 round mag and an ungodly fire rate. You might shrug off the first five. Maybe even the first fifteen. Probably not gonna shrug off thirty. The human body isn't designed for that many extra holes.
That portrayal, was true!😮
Suprised i haven't seen this in any comments, 5.7 is similar to 10mm in the way that off the shelf ammo is usually not full power....All of those you tested are watered down "civilian" 5.7 loadings. Elite Ammo, Vanguard outfitters and 80 teeth all make full power 5.7x28 that smokes everything you showed. They are 3A armor piercing as well.
“Raw milk” had me rollin. 😂😂😂
Piling on the HoggBoi was funny. Did the Dr. think the Vmax tip was lip stick? And Up Close Parking Spaces was spot on, too.
😂😂. Charlie’s first line back taking a shot at the ATF is hilarious!!! 👍🇺🇸👍🇺🇸👍🇺🇸. “Mankind”!!! 😂😂
Would be interesting for home defense reasons to see how the bullet differences would have on terminal ballistics afterwards when passing through sheetrock walls.
I’d love to see a bunch of different rounds tested after going through sheetrock or that massive amount of bulk they were wearing in the cold.
It's been done. It fragments and loses a lot of its energy and does not come close to hitting vitals.
I don't know what the V-Max does at this velocity but over about 3000 fps it turns to dust on a sheet of paper.
It goes through fewer walls than most other rounds, which is good for home defense.
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Oh, I think you need to read the Ft.Hood report, and see the pictures of cartel hits. Plenty of vitals were perforated, plenty of broken bones, more than adequate.
And yes, has a wonderful ability to pen targets, and not sheetrock, mitigating collateral much better than most common rounds inside a structure.
There was a secret Air Force Spec Ops unit, stationed in one of the basements of Cheyenne Mountain complex that made great use with the round out of the P90 tho..
Are you sure you’re not thinking of the show Wormhole Xtreme?
@@MaCabaret I think you mean Sky Door right?
@@travisminton2141 Door to heaven
@@jasons5916Puddle Wall?
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So I recently picked up a 57 for a fun gun. Realized quickly it would make a perfect varmint pistol. If I had to use it for defense I would. But I'll carry a nine for that. But like out on the deer lease or in the pasture and I'm just popping rats or rabbits hell yeah. Excellent pistol training with an effective little round for small critters. It literally will do anything at 22 Magnum rifle would do. But fits in a holster. Personally I think it's a neat little thing. I have the PSA Rock 57 and the absolute first shot I ever made with this round I stopped thinking the pistol didn't cycle lol thought something went wrong it felt so weird.
I do agree that people have a bad tendency to compare pistol rounds to rifle rounds which are not anywhere within the same league. Basic 762x39 will outperform even your coolest revolver rounds. And there is no semi-auto round that comes anywhere close. And 762x39 is definitely not a superpower round.
I like the idea of being able to follow up shots so fast. Might not be the deadliest pistol around, but you have very little recoil with 20 rounds to squeeze out. I wouldn’t be disappointed to have one of these if I ever, god forbid, got into any kind of shootout with someone.
It depends more on your accuracy under pressure due to worse tissue damage and hydrostatic shock. You have to actually hit vital organs that will stop your attacker. If the difference is you get 1-2 extra shot off with the 5.7 vs 9mm under duress then its really difficult to say that 5.7 would be better. Ontop of the fact youre less likely to train with it as regularly because of ammo availability and cost.
@@baconation2637 it's like 50 cents a round, and AAC is pumping out a lot. But for carry purposes, I'd stick with Speer Gold Dot.
There are also a lot 9mm with 20 round mag cap but they are a lot heavyier than a 5.7
Just run a Laugo Alien if you want instant target resets in 9mm.
For fast follow up the FN57 pistol won’t be great. Shitty trigger that makes taking advantage of the recoil diffuclt. Especially under anything other than range conditions.
I picked up the 5.7x28 for my girlfriend. She'll shoot the 9mm decently but is not very comfortable with it. She originally had a 22lr handgun but with so many downsides to rimfire made me want to upgrade her handgun. The 5.7x28 does have a very light felt recoil and with 22 rounds on board it's hard to fault.
Was thinking of doing the same since there are very few full size 380s. Only issue is I don't want to pay for 5.7
I would have thought that ladies who struggle with 9mm are likely to have small hands. 5.7 would trade one problem for another. I known a few ladies who could not get their hands around a P226.
@@blantant Unfortunately the 380s are mainly small frame guns and are just as snappy as the 9mm. If you have not shot the S&W 5.7 I highly recommend giving it a try. One of the big selling points for me was the 22 round capacity as well. It's so easy to shoot fast you can put a lot of holes in something pretty darn quick.
@@kiwigrunt330 She's 5'10" tall and her hands are "bigger" than mine...at least overall length. I could totally see this being an issue though as the 5.7 grips are a little chunky. The felt recoil is just so much less than a 9mm it's very surprising, if you haven't had a chance to shoot one yet I highly recommend giving it a try.
In reality I wish she was comfortable shooting my Glock 20 10mm with some hot Underwood ammo. She has shot it and shoots it decently well but again, she not comfortable with it. I'd rather have her be confident in shooting than have a hand cannon.
Which pistol did you get? Saying you have 22 rounds makes me think it might be the PSA Rock. The M&P and the Ruger only have 20rd mags as far as I know. Even if you went big and spent $1k+ on an FN FiveSeven, I think those are still only 20rds.
“RAW MILK💉” is crazy😂
I saw a post on X from S&W about 5.7 pistols this morning and realized I don't know anything about 5.7 pistols. So I went to RUclips and punched in 5.7 pistols and this was the first video. I knew I would get the straight dope here. Been following for so long and have received so much valuable insight from plate carriers to movement to contact. Once again great video, informative and entertaining. It's like being back in the army where "shooting the shit" with old school NCOs turns into some great "hip pocket " training.
I EDC my S&W 5.7 as much as I can, I feel very confident with it.
@@RoninMike-DR With the right ammo, I'd take it over a 9mm any day...well, unless that 9mm is Liberty CD or OW. That's the same concept, but even slightly more powerful.
I’m not gonna lie, the relatively “clean” wounds look awesome to me. It dumps most of its energy IN the target from what I see, but has enough pepper to do some real damage.
I think it’s better than an SMG round than a pistol round, though.
They’re just using commercial loads. Look up T6B and Black fang ballistic test. It has absolutely mind blowing performance
The 198LF, the proper self defense round, is absolutley nasty.
5.7 is probably more lethal in some ways than 9mm, but it might take longer if there's only one hit. Typically when bullets/frag enter the body and don't come out they create significant risks of infection, future internal injuries, and many times can't be removed without causing worse problems. If I had to be shot, I would pick something that goes through me and doesn't break up. I'll either die quickly or survive. A 5.7 that doesn't exit or frags will kill over the course of days or weeks.
@@Machinereplicayup back in the old west days most people died days after the gunfight not on the spot, same reason why.
@@Machinereplica people don’t get that though. With almost every round, there’s a give and take. There’s things 5.7 does better than 9mm and there’s things 9mm goes better than 5.7. Depends on what you value and prefer for the given situation you may or may not be in. There’s always a give and take with different ammunitions
Charlie's "Raw Milk" had me laughing harder than I've laughed in months
Speer neutered their Gold Dot in 5.7 x 28 after 2020. From ~1850 fps down to ~1730 fps and changed the tip (doesn't expand in clear gel w/pistol).
I have video uploaded showing the difference to their ammo from 2020 to 2022.
Others have been slowed down, too.
Fucking BS that everything got slowed down while getting more expensive. Most M193 lost 100fps too.
They sure know how to pinch those pennies huh?
If you're going as low as 28-grain, why not go to .17 HMR?
Sure, it's only 20 grain, but it's way faster than a 5.7, like 2350fps. The 17-grain is even faster at 2650fps, and those things expand/explode on impact.
Based rimfire 😗👌🏻
@@mrkeogh Would you rather have a semi auto 5" pistol in .17 instead of 5.7? It is rimmed and less powerfull. It makes no sense for this role.
@@mrkeogh The Speer Gold Dot is 40 gr, not 28.
The 28 grain can be easily loaded to 2400 fps, which means your 20 grain @ 2350 is no comparison. (245 ft-lbs vs 358 ft-lbs).
Just watched .17 thru chrono and it's (Norma ammo) 2700 fps from a rifle. That's 275 ft-lbs. That's less energy from a rifle, than a 5.7 x 28 using a pistol.
Reasonable 5.7 loads should be 325 - 350 ft-lbs.
So the same reason to not use .22 mag...because too weak and you said it yourself....rimfire.
great advice, southern idaho is a great place to live and garand could teach me alot. ill be over in about a week.
Man that 5’10 vs 6ft comparison hit me pretty hard 🤣🤣🤣
Same. Didn't know I was a manlet.😢
Me at 5'8 on skates, mini manlet... 😔
Yup, at 5'10" & a little bit...I've re-evaluated my whole life...😢
@@TheCatBilbo 🤣🤣
@@chizoramaI'm built like the penguin 😂
F*ck yeah! Charles is back. He makes these videos so much better to watch. I wish em all the best, keep the great content coming
also keep in mind : FNH/FN America's contract with most companies has resulted in a purposed reduction in velocity to reduce the performance of 5.7x28 ammunition (probably at the fbi's request). speer gold dot being one of the worst... aac's velocity seems to be one of the best. but the projectile performance isnt quite there yet.
of course, if you get your hands on older ammunition or private loads, you will see how the 5.7x28 USE to perform...
And its performance is incredible.
Yep. 5.7mm Gold Dot produces some of the worst ballistics compared to most other 5.7mm brands. Guntreviews has a side by side of Gold Dot vs SS197 with the SS197 penetrating 2" further and producing a significantly larger wound channel despite costing roughly 1/3 that of Gold Dot.
So it received the 10mm treatment, but without the love?
Downloaded ammo is a plague.
Why reduce it ?
Your getting the watered down ammo. Almost all civilian 5.7x28 ammo has been purposely watered down by law. (They were going to outlaw the caliber but decided to ban full strength ammo do to how lethal it is) you will literally almost always find only the same 3 rounds. If you have connections you can get nato sourced rounds. Also almost all civilian 5.7x28 firearms say “do not use p+ ammo” even on firearms that can handle the increased PSI which confirms better rounds are available and they do not want you to use them
Right so try to find inside conmections to get equally ballistically performing rounds rather than just get a more mainstream caliber that doesnt requirinf findinf waldo for "special" ammo. Logic.
It's nice have Charles back. "I just left" made me laugh really hard.
Thank you guys for being you please never change!
Also I’ve never felt so validated in my carry ammo….G9 the goat baby!
Ps please test the 556 and other rounds from G9 they are absolutely devastating
I appreciate that GT gave his sponsor a chance, but still went with the overall best performing round
Thank you guys .I still love the 5.7 , something about the round .
you should see how much damage a 17 hmr would do to the body. everytime i hit squirrels they tend to have the upper body fly a few feet from the lower half. love the video.
I love my savage 17hmr. Insanely accurate
Agreed. Humans and squirrels are so similar
I think they should do one where they test a projectile on a human torso that is traveling at the upscale equivalent of a 17 HMR versus a squirrel. Or maybe that was taken care of in the artillery round test?
Why do you think he wants to see the test on the dummy, you silly goose @JVRottweil
Would have been interesting to see what some of the 27 grain hollow point FN rounds do to the ballistic dummy.
Not much
@@ryo0o0o88you beat me to it.
@@ryo0o0o88it's designed to tumble. Base of bullet is light to make it unstable
The 40 grain defeats the whole purpose of the gun… the extra weight slows the bullet down. This is clown world . I’m going to use the heaviest bullets possible for a gun that is supposed to kill with speed.
@@somewherefishing382 oh no some 12 gauge speed just replaced my spine with air i'm so thankful it wasn't a projectile!
The fact some of those rounds caused that internal explosion from the handgun is extraordinary. That capability alone is making me consider getting one. You usually need a rifle with at least a 16” barrel to achieve that. That’s awesome and important knowledge when considering what caliber, barrel, and cartridge to use for a given application.
57 has many advantages. High capacity, low recoil, faster follow-up shots, flatter shooting equating to better accuracy.
If I remember correctly; 5.7 was designed, in the late 80’s, for the specific purpose of countering soviet bloc body armor of the time. More specifically the high penetration, armor piercing cartridge that hasn’t been produced or easily obtainable for the past 20-25 years.
It's also made to be able to shoot in full auto, not semi. Of course 9mm is going to do better if you shot one shot at a time. But full auto, no way.
Fun fact, Oxide tested both 5.7 AP and 4.6mm AP out of their respective platforms against contemporary Soviet paratrooper armor, and neither one made it through. The 4.6mm round did better against some of the older, thinner plates, but the updated versions shrugged off both rounds without much effort.
Its a very common myth but no, they were never meant to penetrate paratrooper armour. There was a requirement to penetrate the soviet equivalent of roughly 3a, but that was mostly to keep 9mm out of the competition.
Both rounds/firearms were designed as a rear echelon weapon to replace pistols and other pistol caliber weapons. The big advantage being the speed of a spitzer bullet, especially at ranges past 50 meters.
Dont think, "this is meant to let supply techs waste paras all day." Think "this is going to give the sup techs a better ability to produce effective shots at farther ranges, so they can gfto"
You had touched on it in the last few seconds of the video: The 5.7 was designed to be a body-armor defeating round. Do you plan to do a video comparing it to 9mm in that respect? Would be interesting to compare again. Not that most people should be expecting to engage someone with body-armor of course (and most won't have access to AP ammo), but still would be a fun video.
Paul Harrel with the Ruger LC vs his AR-15 and his 12-shot drill.
AR= 23.5 seconds
Ruger LC = 17.4 seconds
So 35% more time with his AR to make the 12 shots.
People want to say, "less recoil" and then move on w/o really getting into the weeds on what that can actually mean.
If you have 3-5 "unwelcome intruders" make their way through your front door and you are half asleep? I can tell you which is beside my bed after seeing his video.
The AR isn't far away, though.
@gggg-xv7nb No. It was the AR15. My reply doesn't make much sense under this OP so I might have posted the reply to wrong comment. I swear utube does that sometimes, but it might have just been me.
Liberty self 9mm
The 5.7 is not capable of penetrating modern body armor, and even alot of modern soft armor vests. It definitely will not penetrate any rifle grade threats.
The biggest problem as well is even back in the day when it was tested on a NASTO CRISAT vest (which was what nato thought soviet troops would be wearing) after penetration the SS190 AP round required to penetrate it at all had even less ballistic depth due to the velocity slowing of the cartridge upon impact with the armor.
Every round failed to reach what was considered a lethal wounding, or reliably hit organ depth.
CRISAT armor is in every way outdated, and the modern UHMWPE and Kevlar vests we have now are multiple times stronger than the only NATO CRISAT they tested.
There is videos online with various 5.7 rounds being tested against NIJ-II and NIJ-IIIA vests. NIJ-II doesnt stop it, NIJ-IIIA is a mixed bag based on manufacturers.
The NEW NIJ-HG-2 requirements, that were passed as of 2023, require soft armor to stop carbine length velocities of pistol cartridges as well, so its unlikely it will penetrate any of these vests going forward.
As for comparisons,
9MM AP is extremely rare, and almost not made anymore. Pistol rounds are considerably out dated on the modern field so nations stopped producing them for the most part where it is cheaper, easier to make, and mass produce rifle cartridges did the job.
@@FenrisulfrSkarrit's been proven, time and again, that SS190 Black Tip goes through lvl 3 at 20 yards or less. No 9mm round is available offering competition. There's plenty of videos demonstrating the fact and at least three loading manuals that will attest to it.
For self defense, penetration is not what you need. The higher round count, lighter bullets, less recoil and the accuracy at range is just a bonus. They make this gun a great option for home self defense especially with the 40 grain vmax bullets. They fragment and make over penetration less and its less likely to hurt someone behind the target.
Better grab ear protection with this one.
Counterpoint. 5% damage buff against lower income brackets.
“I am invisible. I am relentless. I am Sam Fisher. I am… a Splinter Cell.”-Sam Fisher
After watching these, I honestly think I am switching from 9mm to 10mm, the 10mm is devastating and worth it.
10mm is a whopper
Yup I switched to 10mm earlier this year. Took about 500 rounds to really get the recoil control where I wanted and after about 1500 rounds the split times between my Glock 20 and Glock 19 are negligible.
Depends what purpose you intend to use it for. I have several 10's & I cant shoot as fast & accurately as I can with 9, 40 or 45. Any guy will say they shoot it just as good but they dont shoot competition & running drills with their 10's so I call bullshit on ever single one of them. It's just known facts that 9 can be controlled & with faster follow up shots. 10 mills in a gun battle I would think could also get you killed.
357sig is a very strong contender to 10mm in any regards especially self defense!!!
I concur. If I could only have one pistol, it would be my gen 5 Glock 20 10mm-which also shoots .40 cal just fine too. Thats what we in America call a two-fer.
Tons of options for 10mm ammo too.