You guys should do a 12 gauge shotgun version of this next. I think these all encompassing videos are EXTREMELY useful for letting people know what's on the market and what they'd be interested in purchasing.
Right on man! I totally agree. I only got to look at half of this, because I have to leave for work. But the amount of info and points listed for each weapon is just freakin' awesome. Clear, concise, rapid, and full of great points about price and in the case of the CZ Scorp, durability. Do shotguns guys! I'd love to see your take on home protection and road worthy stuff as well.
The b&t mags are not the best but I do know that if they break that b&t is known for replacing for you. I have the B&T ghm9 gen 2, and the B&T apc9 pro and love both! Also they make rubber bump pads that go over the bottom of the mag that helps if dropped.
The only 9mm B&T I'm interested in is the TP9. It's the only one that does anything other PCCs don't, by being small. The thing has it's own issues though, being proprietary and costly.
God rest Barry. Biggest omission is the Extar EP9. The absolute value king. 449.00 with brace and comp. Glock mags, side charger, ideal for running suppressors. Last round bolt hold open. And the best blowback recoil damper ever in 9mm carbine. At 4 pounds. The CMMG is the best if money is no object. But I would rather have 3 EP9,s.
@@svtkilr EXTAR is lighter, and just as good suppressed. You could buy 2 Extars. 2 suppressors and 2 tax stamps of the price of just the unbraced B&T. Plus the Extar is AR compatible w/ triggers grips and safeties and comes w/ a brace. B&T Has a better recoil mitigation system. But it is also more prone to failures.
I had a CX4 in .40 that I bought probably 7-8 years ago. I absolutely loved that thing. I'm so pissed at myself for selling it. Can't even remember why I sold it but I'm sure I traded it in towards another gun. That one and my 2.5" bbl all metal Taurus Judge are the only two guns I really kick myself in the ass for selling/trading in. I never see either one of those guns anymore and I loved both of them
“We do not sell guns”...anymore. We remember those “I’m Eric from Iraqveteran8888 and we’re back here at Moss Pawn & Gun” days. You know what you’re taking about and definitely have the knowledge and experience to back up your opinions. I think you’re safe. Although, I assume you have to say it for legal reasons.
Just got a Brigade BM-9 and I love it, true AR platform with all the bells and whistles, takes all 9mm glock mags and the rail is “U-lok” which fits keymod and M-lok with no adapter needed, they’re around $600 to $750 depending where you find them but Brigade also offers a lifetime gun warranty
So you like your Brigade Armory question mark I bought mine on impulse without doing any research and now I wish I had gotten something else like an Aero Precision EPC 9 the Brigade just seems to be too heavy with the extra metal in the magwell and on the handguard. Speaking of the handguard I can only get M-LOK to work, Keymod would not stay tight.
@@rudder727 yeah I bought my Ruger PC Charger because at the time it was available and the Extar was not. While I’m happy with my Ruger, the Extar at half the cost would have helped defray the cost of ammo.....
I think for the price and the fact they're still available makes them so worth it. Glock is made of plastic and nobody questions the longevity of them plus extar got their start making all plastic AR15's and those have held up great. I have an ep9 and I love it!
Ruger PCC with a red dot...my favorite range gun. At the max distance (indoor) of 30yds it shoots over and over in the same hole (giggidy). I always start out with it before I practice with anything I'm not so accurate with, just to not feel like a complete noob when I miss the paper with my .380 or something.
Thanks to you guys, I've finally decided to go down the road of building my own AR. I've never owned one or built one before and, so far, it's a fun adventure. Bought two stripped lower receivers last week. Parts and tools are coming in this week to complete them.
@Mick Smith it went far easier than I expected. I followed tutorials on youtube for how to pick parts and how to assemble it all. The whole system is incredibly simplistic.
They may not know about it because it's only available direct. That being said, I love the hell out of mine. Protos handguard, a Romeo 5, and a bag of funsticks and I'm having a good time at the range. Have a CGS mod9 sk in NFA prison. Can't wait to try it!
I think they only made like 50 of those. I tried for 5 months to get one even having direct contact with their top sales rep and he basically admitted that they just don't make very many.
They have some come available every week. You have to be quick and grab one as soon as you get the notification but they are available. I got mine a few weeks ago. For the money they are hard to beat. I like it better than my Stribog.
I bought a Faxon Bantam 16" 9mm rifle. I looked around and chose it because of their reputation and since the bolt stays open on the last round. Not all PCC's do that and it was important to me to have that option. It shots great and recoil is similar to an AR15. I did buy a new stock, grip and some mbus sights for it and am very happy. It is fun to shot.
You two dudes don’t have no idea how helpful this video is it’s the most informative structured video y’all have ever made it’s got a lot of pertinent info in there for us pcc turtle buyers who are about to come off the post good job as always keep it coming make more of these types of videos in this format do it for every kind accessory made an go thru the different mfg to show who’s the best quality vs price because that’s what matters that an not being a post turtle like our current president and I’m sorry if you don’t know what a post turtle is but there’s ya something to look up today an learn something new
They all have their merits-- for me , after extensive research, i chose the Ruger PCC-- great bang for the buck , flawless operation , accurate , glock mags , money left to accessorize
@@royjohnson465 😅😂🤣Me too-- but no complaints, new win M1152- 1600FPS ! & 124 +P+ 1450 , Thats 357mag performance! Quieter , no muzzle blast/flash. PERFECT inside the house/with a laser i can shoot from the hip🤣
@@frankgrillo8094 ~Good ✌😃👍!! I contacted Ruger about that but they said there is "no" stainless steel PCC Takedown available. But it is very odd because Ruger does make the 10/22 Takedown in stainless steel. Also Ruger makes two "pistol caliber rifles" called the 77/357 and 77/44 in stainless steel with detachable magazines, but they are both bolt-actions. That Winchester Active Duty M1152 ammo I looked up is Ball ammo in Full Metal Jacket.
@@royjohnson465 yes sir it is--BUT IT'S BOOKIN'! flat nose,carryin ALOT of energy and penetration- I stagger load it with IMI BLACK TIP(124/1450)-- I'VE used both on BIG BOAR JAVELINA & they drop in their tracks. Text me youre phone# ill send you a photo of the rig
@@tbr2109 (he reasons with the nay sayer, desperately trying to convince him, and secretly himself, that the gun doesn't feel like a nerf gun filled with concrete.)
I have the Midwest Industries chassis kit for my Ruger PCC and love it. Great for plinking and home defense. The gun comes with mag well adapters for Ruger SR series and Glock magazines.
For me, I wished you added the Extar EP9, Foxtrot Mike FM-9 & Aero Precision EPC. I think all these guns would shack up well against everything on your list.
I was especially hoping to see them talk about the latter two. The FM-9 and Aero Precision EPC are both very high-quality entries with the FM actually being a fairly high-value option, especially if you can get your hands on an upper and lower to assemble yourself.
I’ve always liked my Ruger PCC because it’s like shooting a 10/22 but bigger. It’s not the best, it did eventually require some M*CARBO parts to keep it running right, but I started shooting a 10/22 when I was 7. So it’s familiar. And it takes glock mags.
Love my scorpion. All tricked out with HBI parts. I’d say it’s my favorite gun in my safe so far. Just wishing I could find more 9mm to feed threw it 🤠
Fell in love with it when I first saw one. Saw one on the wall in my LGS and took it home. Extended HBI charging handle was the first thing I added...then switched out the right selector switch.
Being the owner of a very inexpensive 9MM PCC, I’m not sure of any 9MM PCCs POU. (Philosophy of Use) I love my Hi-Point 995TS and with OEM approved 20 round RedBall Sports Magazines, it’s a very dependable, accurate, fun PCC. It eats everything without any problems. But that wasn’t my only 9MM PCC. In 2018 I bought a KelTec Sub2000 (Glock mags only) and it was a true “Jam-O-Magic”. I sent it back under warranty, and it returned 3 months later only slightly better. Only half the time it would it run an OEM 17 round Glock magazine without jamming. I sold it for what I paid, and yes I did disclose its issues. As the owner of 3 Ruger firearms, I gave the Ruger PC-9 a try with a good friends rifle, but it felt cheap and the receiver with magazines installed fit very loosely with significant play. It was accurate, reliable and fun to shoot, but wasn’t any better than my Hi-Point other than it is a take down rifle. The Chiappa sure sounds interesting, (I have one of their SAA) but it has many bad reviews, and I have yet to shoot one. As for the more expensive PCC’s, I just don’t have any desire to spend $800+ on a firearm without a defined POU. I’ll stick with my 9MM pistols as sidearms, my AR-15s as battle rifles, and my .308 hunting rifles for long distance. For my hiking trips into the wilderness, I bring my Rossi R92 Lever Action rifle and a GP100 along with a Browning Buckmark and plenty of .357MAG and 22LR. It may not be 9MM, but the Rossi R92 with 10 rounds of .357MAG is the perfect old-fashion PCC, and a perfect companion to the GP100.
Ive had a Ruger PC Charger set up to suit me for about $1400 total and ive shot probly 1000 rds flawlessly. Puts on average 46 outta 50 in a 8" paper plate at 25 yards. Also when taken down i can get all of it plus speedloader, box ammo and small accessories in a 14" x 10" nylon tool bag. Most fun had in while. Also it has 2 receivers so can fit LOT of diff mags.
I had a JR carbine I picked up for CHEAP and it was a sweet little carbine. My buddy was drooling over it every time I got it out so I worked out a deal with him and now it’s his JR carbine and it runs great. I had already gotten new action screws and all new springs and other parts for it so he lucked out on it for sure. A little quirky but still a very modular PCC. Great content as always guys. Love it. Big fan for years and will continue to be. Keep up the hard work!
I appreciate your comprehensive and overall approach to covering all these PCCs. I don't follow a lot of the European manufacturers so this was helpful.
Im a bit surprised they did not cover the following 9mm carbines: Aero Precision AR9, Spikes tactical AR9, Foxtrot Mike FM9, BCA AR9(I think BCA makes one, I could be wrong). The Aero Precision just came out in 2020. The Spikes has been out for a while, I actually own one and they are fantastic. BTW Im 100% happy with this video they did. I am not complaining. This is their channel and not mine. They did a fantastic job on this vid.
Love my full length Ruger PCC. Ran the last 800 rounds range FMJ and many different kinds of JHPs flewlessly. It is heavy, but it's also tough as nails. The weight also helps steady the muzzle for more accurate 2nd shots. Before the panic the base model (actually a bit lighter than my MLOK upper model) was $400. Hping Ruger makes a "light" copetition model. Shorter/lighter handguard. Perhaps a non-takedpwn model if that trims ounces. Different size tungsten "dead blow" weights. A 14"-15" barrel with pinned comp to make it 16" multi-state compliant. Was JP GMR-15 discussed? That's my dream 9mm. Extremely flat shooter.
Agreed. Fm9 is clearly underrated. Very accurate, very well made. And amazing customer service on top of all that. It's sad they didn't even get mentioned.
The Keltec Sub 2000 comes in two versions for 9mm Glock19 and the other is compatable with Beretta, CZ75B, Smith & Wesson and SIG Sauer pistol magazines. 10- to 33-round magazines.
Psa has the akv and the arv both are pretty good budget options the akv comes in at about 900 I think and it’s actually a super rad little 9 mm ak for the price you can’t beat it if a ak 9 is what your after
I know there are a lot of PCC’s. Foxtrot Mike is another good one that takes Glock mags and has last round bolt hold open. Price is around 600-700. Fairly reasonable. Many different options available and great customer service.
Excellent video as usual-very very informative. Having an SP5 & SP 5K, in the world of semi-auto, that HK platform I’ve discovered requires zero maintenance other than cleaning & oiling and you don’t even have to do that until after many many many rounds. Real MP5 probably different over time, but for most of us it will be semi. Have a B&T Gen 1 GHM9 & a an early DS import TP 9 and both are as reliable, accurate and robust as the HK stuff. Your Lone Wolf is bad to the bone all day long.
I have a conversion CMMG Banshee with Franklin Arms binary trigger. 5" 9mm barrel and a Holosun red dot. I also have the 5.7 upper in 8". Although a pistol, the thing easily double taps steel at 100yds and fits in my kids Minecraft backpack. I have Glock pistols and could have chosen the AR9 system, but chose the conventional mag well so I could run different conversions from the same lower.
CMMG upper for AR pattern rifle chambered in 9mm with mean arms mag conversion insert for p-mag 2nd generation. A little expensive but works very nice. Radial blowback and last round bolt hold open. It’s a soft shooter that works very well.
The CZ Scorpion EVO3 has been a great platform. With a HBI 3.5 lb trigger spring, Manticore Arms brace, Holosun sight, and a 50 rd magpul drum, really fun, super reliable so far after about 2000 rds
i love you two together you really bounce off each other well and I can tell you guys enjoy working together. Also wanna say i really appreciate you guys keeping the uploads coming during these trying times to keep us well informed! You guys are an awesome favorite gun channel by far keep up the great work!
Excellent video. I built a Colt AR variant with our beloved Anderson receivers, Hann Block, CMMG ramped bolt and Faxon Barrels. Uppers I run are Anderson non forward assist receivers with a 16" Faxon barrel upper, a 10.5" Faxon Barrel upper, and im building a 4.5" Faxon Barrel upper with a 3 lug mount. The lighter you go the more you feel the moving mass so I will be switching to a Maxim Gen7 CQB / JP captured spring and removing the lead from the CMMG ramped bolt. I found this vid doing research for the latest upgrades (Maxim CQB, JP spring, and finding 10" rail that will fit over my 4.5" barrel paired with a Rugged Obsidian 9 on the 3 lug) Ive narrowed it down to two rails, Faxon's CF 10" or the Griffin SR-Rigid 10.5. Thanks for all the great info.
The Ruger PC model 19122 tactical with a 16" barrel is a phenomenal weapon system for home defense and security. It is very accurate, strong built, a bit heavy towards the barrel, which mitigates recoil. Also, the 16" barrel length muffles the sound report quite noticeably, making it ideal for indoors security use, whereas a 5.56 cal will blow your ear drums. I highly recommend the Ruger PC.
AWESOME guys ,I think I've watched this vid 5 times now ,just because if I turn my head for just a sec I've missed something important, hence the vid actually gets better each time I watch it ,,possibly the or is the best vids on 9mm pcc's. thanks heaps for all the great info ,lovit !!!
My favorite is the semi auto Uzi carbine. When 9mm was cheap I liked shooting that because of the money I saved when I just wanted to blast at some steel swinger. I was getting surplus 32 round mags for around $8. There's a decent amount of accessories out there for the platform if that's your thing. Uziel Gal rest in piece.
You must be my age cause I remember those uzis for sale back in the 80s and early 90s almost picked one up for I think 500 new, Israeli defense I think
@@karlchesser5032 I am a 90s kid. The uzi I have I bought used from a coworker about 10 years ago. I picked it up for $280 as it did not want to feed ammo out of one side of the magazine. After some internal polishing, it now it runs great.
They are very good carbines, and they can reach targets over 250 yards away. They handle hollow-point ammo reliably. The accuracy is also good with good ammo.
One thing about the JR Carbine is that if you get an older one the takedown is incredibly inconvenient. You need a castle nut wrench and other tools. They also stress only using graphite lube in their literature. They do shoot great and are a lot of fun and won't break the bank. I just couldn't get my hands on a newer one with the takedown lever. Traded mine in for an APF-9.
@@DinoNucci noticed you keep trolling this comment all over. Is it because you can’t find ammo, or because you blame you sights for being terrible? Asking for a friend, who also thinks you’re just a jealous broke troll.
Brigade Manufacturing BM-9 is an excellent AR-9 that uses standard Glock 9mm mags. I swapped a ton of standard AR-15 parts onto mine including charging handle, MBUS sights, grip, SB brace, safety selector, and legal AFG. $650-750 these days.
Not sure if anyone has mentioned but you missed a very cool CMMG offering. They have a Banshee that is a 9mm ARC. Their radial delayed upper on an AR lower. Demand is so high for CMMG that there orders are 20+ weeks for manufacturing. Great video though!
Absolutely! You just have to be on your toes to get your hands on one. These are feather lite and softer shooting than my EVO. Maybe one day they will get their hands one to show it off.
Create an account ahead of time, get on the alert list, and I noticed that when I was stalking their site to get mine, it appeared that small batches were released midweek noonish many times - just hafta act fast.
I have two Just Right Carbines, a 9mm and a 45ACP. My experience with them combined with this video confirmed for me they are keepers. The only negative I have found with them is they are a bit of a pain to disassemble and reassemble for cleaning.
Excellent video extremely informational very specific and extremely helpful for the people who are on a budgetWho needs something for self-defense and or just wanna have fun thank you
Love to shoot my CMMG 9mm Guard rifle with the delayed radial blowback. But this is the most difficult to clean weapon I have ever owned. After 150 rounds the chamber and other internal surfaces are totally fouled with hardened black deposits which are really tough to brush out, even after soaking with Ballistol overnight. Even the ejected brass looks like they have been burned with a torch. Makes 22LR clean ups look like a breeze.
I was hoping to see a cx4. My bro has a 92 and wants a PCC and I think it would be great with his 92 compatibility. I'm glad you guys liked it. Also had no idea the M1-9 even existed so he has two options now. Thanks.
I got the 4” scorpion, I changed the grip to a magpul for 20 bucks and it’s now my go to in home self defense weapon. It’s a pistol, but I love it. There’s no need to change the charging handle, trigger, or safety.
I recently put together an AR-9 with the PSA lower that accepts the Colt style magazines. I went with the Colt style because when I purchased it several years ago, the Glock style didn't have the last round hold open. The magazines are a little more expensive, but really not bad. I only have around 200 rounds through it, but so far it's been flawless and shoots roughly 3" groups at 100 yard with a red dot. It has an AR Stoner upper and a Rosco 7.5 inch Bloodline barrel. Very happy!
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Did my heart good to see Barry there in a few frames. RIP
Yeah Barry was a great man
He punched out in the perfect time!
Wasn't he convicted of diddling a kid
@@SuperiorDefense unless you have a link quit talking shit bud
@@SuperiorDefense really ???
Extar EP-9 $449 factory direct to FFL. Foxtrot Mike or FM Products $550 and up on sale. $700 starting regular price. Very accurate and run and run.
R.I.P. Barry, Miss ya man.✌🇺🇸
Thanks for mentioning the Hi-Point option. Not everyone's budget is able to pick up anything but a Hi-Point in such a time we find ourselves.
Extar ep9 for $450 too. They’re pretty awesome
You guys should do a 12 gauge shotgun version of this next. I think these all encompassing videos are EXTREMELY useful for letting people know what's on the market and what they'd be interested in purchasing.
Right on man! I totally agree. I only got to look at half of this, because I have to leave for work. But the amount of info and points listed for each weapon is just freakin' awesome. Clear, concise, rapid, and full of great points about price and in the case of the CZ Scorp, durability. Do shotguns guys! I'd love to see your take on home protection and road worthy stuff as well.
They already did. There's a video titled top 5 combat shotguns that was released I believe before this one. Go check it out.
I would buy it direct!!!!
410 or 20 gauge
That Swiss engineering quality of the B&T GHM9 is gold -even comes with a lower variant for Glock mags
Love my 9KPro. Don’t forget Sig 320 lowers for $400 as well!
Apc-9 is dope
APC9K with love from 🇨🇭
B&T TP9 is also a fantastic product that's even more compact.
If you've followed IV8888 for some time now i know for a fact when Barry popped up you smiled.
RIP BARRY! we miss you
You guys missed the Extar Ep9. They are around 400 and are exceptional. Light and accurate and takes glock mags
Also run as reliable as paul blart
@@Owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww must be your ammo, mine runs like a scalded dog
I agree they need to check out the Extar.
i agree. My extar runs great.
Mine has never failed but I think the limited availability keeps it off a lot of these lists.
No mention of the extar EP9 or the MCK or the Roni
My Extar runs like a champ I looooove it.
where can i buy one?
“Anything Swiss made is expensive but will last a lifetime”, preceded by telling us the magazines are junk and break if they fall on the floor. Lmao
Triggers are pretty bad too, it seems.
The APC45 mags are steel and seem to be pretty robust in my experience. I think it's just the cheap plastic 9mm mags that are the issue.
The b&t mags are not the best but I do know that if they break that b&t is known for replacing for you. I have the B&T ghm9 gen 2, and the B&T apc9 pro and love both! Also they make rubber bump pads that go over the bottom of the mag that helps if dropped.
Lol I think he was taking about the gun and not the mags.. But yeah there are Glock mag options and the 45 cal gun has better mags..
The only 9mm B&T I'm interested in is the TP9. It's the only one that does anything other PCCs don't, by being small. The thing has it's own issues though, being proprietary and costly.
In my opinion the weight of the Ruger PC Carbine is an asset. It shoots fast and stays on target effortlessly.
You guys need to review an Extar EP9.. left side charge handle, last round hold open, full poly light weight work great.
Love my EP9 ❤️
Zzzz
I would love to see either review of the EP9…. Extar makes a beautiful gun, made in the United States of America🇺🇸
Non reciprocating charge handle at that
God rest Barry. Biggest omission is the Extar EP9. The absolute value king. 449.00 with brace and comp. Glock mags, side charger, ideal for running suppressors. Last round bolt hold open. And the best blowback recoil damper ever in 9mm carbine. At 4 pounds.
The CMMG is the best if money is no object. But I would rather have 3 EP9,s.
They're awesome 😎
You bumped your head B&T is killing the PCC game in blowback’s if you can afford them tho?
@@svtkilr EXTAR is lighter, and just as good suppressed. You could buy 2 Extars. 2 suppressors and 2 tax stamps of the price of just the unbraced B&T. Plus the Extar is AR compatible w/ triggers grips and safeties and comes w/ a brace. B&T Has a better recoil mitigation system. But it is also more prone to failures.
@@markrippt4677 B&Ts are AR comparable too buddy! learn your guns before you try to compare junk to high quality Swiss Made PCC’s. Extars are garbage!
@@svtkilr Really? How many B&Ts do you own?
This is the DEFINITIVE video on PCCs. Thanks fellas.
Again, as noted - Extar EP9 is a gem and current direct price $449. It works great. Lots of good options out there and I hope you reload 9mm! :-)
Zzzz
100%agree. Its often overlooked but shouldnt be
I love mine.
Great option 👍
Hard to find!
Love my CX4 92FS combination. Great for HD. Same mags, same ammo.
I had a CX4 in .40 that I bought probably 7-8 years ago. I absolutely loved that thing. I'm so pissed at myself for selling it. Can't even remember why I sold it but I'm sure I traded it in towards another gun. That one and my 2.5" bbl all metal Taurus Judge are the only two guns I really kick myself in the ass for selling/trading in. I never see either one of those guns anymore and I loved both of them
“We do not sell guns”...anymore. We remember those “I’m Eric from Iraqveteran8888 and we’re back here at Moss Pawn & Gun” days. You know what you’re taking about and definitely have the knowledge and experience to back up your opinions. I think you’re safe. Although, I assume you have to say it for legal reasons.
It’s for RUclips policy reasons, if you suggest that you have a gun shown in a video for sale then your video will get removed
Glad you still post. Knowledge is valuable. Remember Barry from older post.
Importantly they never sold or attempted to sell any guns in any videos. They just happened to work at a place that sold guns.
That was strictly for the algorithm lol
Ok11
Ived got a Kp9, keltec Sub2k, and Extar Ep9. Love them all.
Just got a Brigade BM-9 and I love it, true AR platform with all the bells and whistles, takes all 9mm glock mags and the rail is “U-lok” which fits keymod and M-lok with no adapter needed, they’re around $600 to $750 depending where you find them but Brigade also offers a lifetime gun warranty
So you like your Brigade Armory question mark I bought mine on impulse without doing any research and now I wish I had gotten something else like an Aero Precision EPC 9 the Brigade just seems to be too heavy with the extra metal in the magwell and on the handguard. Speaking of the handguard I can only get M-LOK to work, Keymod would not stay tight.
was the Extar EP9 considered? I've always been intrigued by it.
Love mine but idk if they mentioned it.
@@shanemaddox1852 how has it performed? You think the polymer construction will stand up over time?
They didn't mention it... but for the price I think the Extar is the best bang for your buck.
@@rudder727 yeah I bought my Ruger PC Charger because at the time it was available and the Extar was not. While I’m happy with my Ruger, the Extar at half the cost would have helped defray the cost of ammo.....
I think for the price and the fact they're still available makes them so worth it. Glock is made of plastic and nobody questions the longevity of them plus extar got their start making all plastic AR15's and those have held up great. I have an ep9 and I love it!
Ruger PCC with a red dot...my favorite range gun. At the max distance (indoor) of 30yds it shoots over and over in the same hole (giggidy). I always start out with it before I practice with anything I'm not so accurate with, just to not feel like a complete noob when I miss the paper with my .380 or something.
Outside of going to the indoor range, how far out have you tested your Ruger PCC?
Thanks to you guys, I've finally decided to go down the road of building my own AR. I've never owned one or built one before and, so far, it's a fun adventure. Bought two stripped lower receivers last week. Parts and tools are coming in this week to complete them.
@Mick Smith it went far easier than I expected. I followed tutorials on youtube for how to pick parts and how to assemble it all. The whole system is incredibly simplistic.
@@JasonACadder well, its been 10 months since your comment. Howd the build(s) end up turning out?
@@mechveteran01 terrific! They shoot amazing!
@@JasonACadder good deal man!
I want to also
Brigade Bm-9, Foxtrot Fm-9, Extar Ep-9. You got the Fx-9 from freedom ordinance but missed some really good affordable ones
Extar EP9 hands down !!!
I don't think they even talked about it. They must not think much of it
They may not know about it because it's only available direct. That being said, I love the hell out of mine. Protos handguard, a Romeo 5, and a bag of funsticks and I'm having a good time at the range. Have a CGS mod9 sk in NFA prison. Can't wait to try it!
I love mine so does my wife id grab my EP9 if I heard a bump in the night over my 10.5” 5.56
I think it is illegal in NJ... can anyone let me know? I would LOVE to buy one!
where can i buy one?
Extar Ep9........ $449 rock solid one of the cheapest guns I own, but one of my favorites. They kind of have a cult following and are available
I have ran 1000 rounds through mine no issues. Great little gun out of the box.
where can i buy one?
No Extar EP9? The list is invalid.
The best under the radar PDW with realistic pricing and uses Glock mags. JSOG6
I think they only made like 50 of those. I tried for 5 months to get one even having direct contact with their top sales rep and he basically admitted that they just don't make very many.
They have some come available every week. You have to be quick and grab one as soon as you get the notification but they are available. I got mine a few weeks ago. For the money they are hard to beat. I like it better than my Stribog.
@@dilldowschwagginz2674 Trust me they made more than that. I got mine in a month.
Mines on the nightstand next to me. Took about a month to come
All your videos showing you guys shouldering a weapon with a brace is what got them banned.
Thanks a lot.
no it ain't
everyone and their grandmothers, including the ATF, knew what most brace owners were doing with them, they just didn't care
Lead is the new gold. (B&T FTW!)
problem is smokeless powder not rest
Love my Extar EP9. Lists at 449.00, but you have to purchase direct from manufacturer. Also the CAA MCK for your Glock.
I bought a Faxon Bantam 16" 9mm rifle. I looked around and chose it because of their reputation and since the bolt stays open on the last round. Not all PCC's do that and it was important to me to have that option. It shots great and recoil is similar to an AR15. I did buy a new stock, grip and some mbus sights for it and am very happy. It is fun to shot.
You two dudes don’t have no idea how helpful this video is it’s the most informative structured video y’all have ever made it’s got a lot of pertinent info in there for us pcc turtle buyers who are about to come off the post good job as always keep it coming make more of these types of videos in this format do it for every kind accessory made an go thru the different mfg to show who’s the best quality vs price because that’s what matters that an not being a post turtle like our current president and I’m sorry if you don’t know what a post turtle is but there’s ya something to look up today an learn something new
Scorpion for the win
Nah. Straight blowback sucks. Also, you can get a CMMG radial delay bolt/barrel and build a 9mm PCC for cheaper than a scorpion.
@@NACAM42 lol u probably suck with trigger and recoil control 😉
Sorry too late I bought one years ago and love it. 🤷🏻♂️
Sorry Psa AKV-9 for the win.
Ak Pak 9 for the win
They all have their merits-- for me , after extensive research, i chose the Ruger PCC-- great bang for the buck , flawless operation , accurate , glock mags , money left to accessorize
I wish the Ruger PCC Takedown came in stainless steel.
@@royjohnson465 😅😂🤣Me too-- but no complaints, new win M1152- 1600FPS ! & 124 +P+ 1450 , Thats 357mag performance! Quieter , no muzzle blast/flash. PERFECT inside the house/with a laser i can shoot from the hip🤣
@@frankgrillo8094
~Good ✌😃👍!! I contacted Ruger about that but they said there is "no" stainless steel PCC Takedown available. But it is very odd because Ruger does make the 10/22 Takedown in stainless steel. Also Ruger makes two "pistol caliber rifles" called the 77/357 and 77/44 in stainless steel with detachable magazines, but they are both bolt-actions.
That Winchester Active Duty M1152 ammo I looked up is Ball ammo in Full Metal Jacket.
@@royjohnson465 yes sir it is--BUT IT'S BOOKIN'! flat nose,carryin ALOT of energy and penetration- I stagger load it with IMI BLACK TIP(124/1450)-- I'VE used both on BIG BOAR JAVELINA & they drop in their tracks. Text me youre phone# ill send you a photo of the rig
WE LIKE THE HI-POINT! WE LIKE THE HI-POINT! WE LIKE THE HI-POINT!
(He screams, as tears run out his eyes as he desperately tries to convince himself it isn't a piece of shit.)
@@mr.mercury4247 Nah, the carbines have a pretty good reputation and (compared to the pistols at least) they aren't that ugly.
@@tbr2109 (he reasons with the nay sayer, desperately trying to convince him, and secretly himself, that the gun doesn't feel like a nerf gun filled with concrete.)
@@mr.mercury4247 (he emotes, nursing his hate-boner for Hi-Point carbines despite almost certainly never having touched, let alone fired one)
Man for 300 I’ve been thinking about picking it up
I have the Midwest Industries chassis kit for my Ruger PCC and love it. Great for plinking and home defense. The gun comes with mag well adapters for Ruger SR series and Glock magazines.
Great video but missing Extar EP9 and Noveske PCCs
where can i buy one?
Foxtrot Mike and new frontier make two of the best ar-9's around. My new frontier build came in around 600 and is nothing short of amazing.
Extar EP9?
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where can i buy one?
For me, I wished you added the Extar EP9, Foxtrot Mike FM-9 & Aero Precision EPC. I think all these guns would shack up well against everything on your list.
EP9 is dope. It's easy to fall in love with that light little gem.
I was especially hoping to see them talk about the latter two. The FM-9 and Aero Precision EPC are both very high-quality entries with the FM actually being a fairly high-value option, especially if you can get your hands on an upper and lower to assemble yourself.
@@mikelyman4550 FM-9 are hard to find. Grr...
I'm surprised I've never seen you guys do a video on the Extar EP9.
where can i buy one?
I’ve always liked my Ruger PCC because it’s like shooting a 10/22 but bigger. It’s not the best, it did eventually require some M*CARBO parts to keep it running right, but I started shooting a 10/22 when I was 7. So it’s familiar. And it takes glock mags.
Love my scorpion. All tricked out with HBI parts. I’d say it’s my favorite gun in my safe so far. Just wishing I could find more 9mm to feed threw it 🤠
Fell in love with it when I first saw one. Saw one on the wall in my LGS and took it home. Extended HBI charging handle was the first thing I added...then switched out the right selector switch.
The accessories and aftermarket parts have exceeded the initial cost for my scorpion. But I use it as my backpack gun. So I didn’t want to cheap out.
@@Darkside1911 have you checked out Peak Case co.?
It was probably the least favorite gun I have ever purchased. Sold it a few months after buying it. Different strokes for different folks.
@@scottp4077 no I haven’t. I’ll take a look.
You guys completely missed the EXTAR EP9!
Agreed. The most inexpensively priced, yet smooth running PCC on the market. ... They also brain farted on the CMMG Banshee.
@@yikesvikes The Guard is what the Banshee used to be called.
Mighty bold of Eric to assume YT will still have pew vids in 10 years. Lol. We make end of 2021 I'll be surprised.
Owning or having owned several of these guns, it's about time someone did a comprehensive list of available PCC's.
At this point, 9mm is more pricey than gold.
Silver !!!
Convert your Glock to run on 22tcm I can still find that for like $18 for 50
Yep
I’ll trade a pistol for 9mm ammo at this point lol
What is pricey to you??? Just curious!
I’ve been watching U2 for quite a while now really enjoy your presentation and your humor as well thank you from San Diego.
Being the owner of a very inexpensive 9MM PCC, I’m not sure of any 9MM PCCs POU. (Philosophy of Use)
I love my Hi-Point 995TS and with OEM approved 20 round RedBall Sports Magazines, it’s a very dependable, accurate, fun PCC.
It eats everything without any problems. But that wasn’t my only 9MM PCC.
In 2018 I bought a KelTec Sub2000 (Glock mags only) and it was a true “Jam-O-Magic”.
I sent it back under warranty, and it returned 3 months later only slightly better. Only half the time it would it run an OEM 17 round Glock magazine without jamming.
I sold it for what I paid, and yes I did disclose its issues.
As the owner of 3 Ruger firearms, I gave the Ruger PC-9 a try with a good friends rifle, but it felt cheap and the receiver with magazines installed fit very loosely with significant play. It was accurate, reliable and fun to shoot, but wasn’t any better than my Hi-Point other than it is a take down rifle.
The Chiappa sure sounds interesting, (I have one of their SAA) but it has many bad reviews, and I have yet to shoot one.
As for the more expensive PCC’s, I just don’t have any desire to spend $800+ on a firearm without a defined POU.
I’ll stick with my 9MM pistols as sidearms, my AR-15s as battle rifles, and my .308 hunting rifles for long distance.
For my hiking trips into the wilderness, I bring my Rossi R92 Lever Action rifle and a GP100 along with a Browning Buckmark and plenty of .357MAG and 22LR.
It may not be 9MM, but the Rossi R92 with 10 rounds of .357MAG is the perfect old-fashion PCC, and a perfect companion to the GP100.
Ive had a Ruger PC Charger set up to suit me for about $1400 total and ive shot probly 1000 rds flawlessly. Puts on average 46 outta 50 in a 8" paper plate at 25 yards. Also when taken down i can get all of it plus speedloader, box ammo and small accessories in a 14" x 10" nylon tool bag. Most fun had in while. Also it has 2 receivers so can fit LOT of diff mags.
I had a JR carbine I picked up for CHEAP and it was a sweet little carbine. My buddy was drooling over it every time I got it out so I worked out a deal with him and now it’s his JR carbine and it runs great. I had already gotten new action screws and all new springs and other parts for it so he lucked out on it for sure. A little quirky but still a very modular PCC. Great content as always guys. Love it. Big fan for years and will continue to be. Keep up the hard work!
I appreciate your comprehensive and overall approach to covering all these PCCs. I don't follow a lot of the European manufacturers so this was helpful.
Im a bit surprised they did not cover the following 9mm carbines: Aero Precision AR9, Spikes tactical AR9, Foxtrot Mike FM9, BCA AR9(I think BCA makes one, I could be wrong). The Aero Precision just came out in 2020. The Spikes has been out for a while, I actually own one and they are fantastic.
BTW Im 100% happy with this video they did. I am not complaining. This is their channel and not mine. They did a fantastic job on this vid.
Love my full length Ruger PCC. Ran the last 800 rounds range FMJ and many different kinds of JHPs flewlessly.
It is heavy, but it's also tough as nails. The weight also helps steady the muzzle for more accurate 2nd shots.
Before the panic the base model (actually a bit lighter than my MLOK upper model) was $400.
Hping Ruger makes a "light" copetition model. Shorter/lighter handguard. Perhaps a non-takedpwn model if that trims ounces. Different size tungsten "dead blow" weights. A 14"-15" barrel with pinned comp to make it 16" multi-state compliant.
Was JP GMR-15 discussed? That's my dream 9mm. Extremely flat shooter.
Any thoughts you want to put out on Foxtrot Mike products?
Yeah they said FM-9 there once but were showing a FX-9.
I guess no love for foxtrot Mike. I would not trade mine for a lot of the other more expensive carbines.
@@johnstine330 just received my 7" upper today
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Agreed. Fm9 is clearly underrated. Very accurate, very well made. And amazing customer service on top of all that. It's sad they didn't even get mentioned.
The Keltec Sub 2000 comes in two versions for 9mm Glock19 and the other is compatable with Beretta, CZ75B, Smith & Wesson and SIG Sauer pistol magazines. 10- to 33-round magazines.
I love my B&T APC9...Suppressor, Aimpoint....awesome package!
no Extar EP9? Love it and it cost $420 when I got it, plus it takes Glock mags.
I don’t have experience with any of these but I really like my foxtrot mike with the 10.5 barrel.
You guys are among my favorite channels. Keep producing great content!
Psa has the akv and the arv both are pretty good budget options the akv comes in at about 900 I think and it’s actually a super rad little 9 mm ak for the price you can’t beat it if a ak 9 is what your after
I know there are a lot of PCC’s. Foxtrot Mike is another good one that takes Glock mags and has last round bolt hold open. Price is around 600-700. Fairly reasonable. Many different options available and great customer service.
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Excellent video as usual-very very informative.
Having an SP5 & SP 5K, in the world of semi-auto, that HK platform I’ve discovered requires zero maintenance other than cleaning & oiling and you don’t even have to do that until after many many many rounds.
Real MP5 probably different over time, but for most of us it will be semi.
Have a B&T Gen 1 GHM9 & a an early DS import TP 9 and both are as reliable, accurate and robust as the HK stuff.
Your Lone Wolf is bad to the bone all day long.
I have a conversion CMMG Banshee with Franklin Arms binary trigger.
5" 9mm barrel and a Holosun red dot.
I also have the 5.7 upper in 8".
Although a pistol, the thing easily double taps steel at 100yds and fits in my kids Minecraft backpack.
I have Glock pistols and could have chosen the AR9 system, but chose the conventional mag well so I could run different conversions from the same lower.
Love the sliding brace on the Scorpion, more companies should try and incorporate that into their guns.
Seems like I've seen so e version of the M4 with that brace on it
Where’s the H&K SP5?
CMMG upper for AR pattern rifle chambered in 9mm with mean arms mag conversion insert for p-mag 2nd generation. A little expensive but works very nice. Radial blowback and last round bolt hold open. It’s a soft shooter that works very well.
Correct
I love the background....looks like you're doing reviews in Ammunation from GTA
The CZ Scorpion EVO3 has been a great platform. With a HBI 3.5 lb trigger spring, Manticore Arms brace, Holosun sight, and a 50 rd magpul drum, really fun, super reliable so far after about 2000 rds
The Extar EP9 is fantastic for only $449! Can't beat it!
Thanks!
i love you two together you really bounce off each other well and I can tell you guys enjoy working together. Also wanna say i really appreciate you guys keeping the uploads coming during these trying times to keep us well informed! You guys are an awesome favorite gun channel by far keep up the great work!
Eric interrupts Chad a lot… other than that, right on.
Excellent video. I built a Colt AR variant with our beloved Anderson receivers, Hann Block, CMMG ramped bolt and Faxon Barrels. Uppers I run are Anderson non forward assist receivers with a 16" Faxon barrel upper, a 10.5" Faxon Barrel upper, and im building a 4.5" Faxon Barrel upper with a 3 lug mount. The lighter you go the more you feel the moving mass so I will be switching to a Maxim Gen7 CQB / JP captured spring and removing the lead from the CMMG ramped bolt. I found this vid doing research for the latest upgrades (Maxim CQB, JP spring, and finding 10" rail that will fit over my 4.5" barrel paired with a Rugged Obsidian 9 on the 3 lug) Ive narrowed it down to two rails, Faxon's CF 10" or the Griffin SR-Rigid 10.5. Thanks for all the great info.
Can you do a review of the foxtrot mike 9mm
The Ruger PC model 19122 tactical with a 16" barrel is a phenomenal weapon system for home defense and security.
It is very accurate, strong built, a bit heavy towards the barrel, which mitigates recoil. Also, the 16" barrel length muffles the sound report quite noticeably, making it ideal for indoors security use, whereas a 5.56 cal will blow your ear drums.
I highly recommend the Ruger PC.
i've got one and i love it
Agreed. I also have the charger version and its fantastic.
@@glmorten I am very pleased with my Ruger PC tactical (for half the price the CZ Evo Scorpion).
Love my Ruger PC Charger! I have the sylvan adapter waiting for the $ to drop on the 9mm upper! 😡
AWESOME guys ,I think I've watched this vid 5 times now ,just because if I turn my head for just a sec I've missed something important, hence the vid actually gets better each time I watch it ,,possibly the or is the best vids on 9mm pcc's. thanks heaps for all the great info ,lovit !!!
My favorite is the semi auto Uzi carbine. When 9mm was cheap I liked shooting that because of the money I saved when I just wanted to blast at some steel swinger. I was getting surplus 32 round mags for around $8. There's a decent amount of accessories out there for the platform if that's your thing. Uziel Gal rest in piece.
You must be my age cause I remember those uzis for sale back in the 80s and early 90s almost picked one up for I think 500 new, Israeli defense I think
@@karlchesser5032 I am a 90s kid. The uzi I have I bought used from a coworker about 10 years ago. I picked it up for $280 as it did not want to feed ammo out of one side of the magazine. After some internal polishing, it now it runs great.
@@jakeoutdoors9600 very nice
12:05 in is my FX-9, I absolutely love this one and runs great. Never had any issues and very accurate. Definitely recommend
They are very good carbines, and they can reach targets over 250 yards away. They handle hollow-point ammo reliably. The accuracy is also good with good ammo.
I didn’t hear the Extar EP9 mentioned.
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One thing about the JR Carbine is that if you get an older one the takedown is incredibly inconvenient. You need a castle nut wrench and other tools. They also stress only using graphite lube in their literature. They do shoot great and are a lot of fun and won't break the bank. I just couldn't get my hands on a newer one with the takedown lever. Traded mine in for an APF-9.
How did you guys miss the Extar EP9? Awesome PCC for $449 and it takes Glock mags.
you missed the extar 9mm takes glock mags its light and under 500 (when I bought mine)
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@@DinoNucci noticed you keep trolling this comment all over. Is it because you can’t find ammo, or because you blame you sights for being terrible? Asking for a friend, who also thinks you’re just a jealous broke troll.
where can i buy one?
Awesome job as usual guys! I really appreciate the time y’all put into making great, entertaining, yet informative content on a regular basis!
Brigade Manufacturing BM-9 is an excellent AR-9 that uses standard Glock 9mm mags. I swapped a ton of standard AR-15 parts onto mine including charging handle, MBUS sights, grip, SB brace, safety selector, and legal AFG. $650-750 these days.
I wish I had an hour to invest in this video right now, work is really getting in the way with my life...
Biden is working hard so you may have more time on your hands soon.
@@redskin4040 Seriously though
Lol...I’m watching at work🤣
With the way things are going now, I could probably sell my cache of 9mm rounds and never have to work again. Haha
I just fired this up after dinner... I'll be asleep in about ten minutes. 😴
Not sure if anyone has mentioned but you missed a very cool CMMG offering. They have a Banshee that is a 9mm ARC. Their radial delayed upper on an AR lower. Demand is so high for CMMG that there orders are 20+ weeks for manufacturing. Great video though!
EP9! Great price, Glock mags, Reliable!
Absolutely! You just have to be on your toes to get your hands on one. These are feather lite and softer shooting than my EVO. Maybe one day they will get their hands one to show it off.
@pete mitchell So true! Get on their alert list. They usually are available once a month. I absolutely love mine!!!
Create an account ahead of time, get on the alert list, and I noticed that when I was stalking their site to get mine, it appeared that small batches were released midweek noonish many times - just hafta act fast.
@@y002033 I wonder if these guys even know about them? Extar send them a couple to try out!!!
Absolutely love my EP9!!!! No issues! Shoots anything. Inexpensive to shoot that steel cases ammo... can’t go wrong with this!! Price is excellent
I have two Just Right Carbines, a 9mm and a 45ACP. My experience with them combined with this video confirmed for me they are keepers. The only negative I have found with them is they are a bit of a pain to disassemble and reassemble for cleaning.
Excellent video extremely informational very specific and extremely helpful for the people who are on a budgetWho needs something for self-defense and or just wanna have fun thank you
Love to shoot my CMMG 9mm Guard rifle with the delayed radial blowback. But this is the most difficult to clean weapon I have ever owned. After 150 rounds the chamber and other internal surfaces are totally fouled with hardened black deposits which are really tough to brush out, even after soaking with Ballistol overnight. Even the ejected brass looks like they have been burned with a torch. Makes 22LR clean ups look like a breeze.
The Chiappa Pak 9 AK 9mm & the Extar Ep9 are 2 you forget and are some of the best
Love my Extar and dad has one too
Chiappa they spaced on and thats a reasonable priced that readily available.
@@granitejeepc3651 I agree
I was hoping to see a cx4. My bro has a 92 and wants a PCC and I think it would be great with his 92 compatibility. I'm glad you guys liked it. Also had no idea the M1-9 even existed so he has two options now. Thanks.
I don't see the extar ep9 on your list
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I got the 4” scorpion, I changed the grip to a magpul for 20 bucks and it’s now my go to in home self defense weapon. It’s a pistol, but I love it. There’s no need to change the charging handle, trigger, or safety.
You guys should do more comparisons w/pcc’s like ya did with stribog & b&t. Great video thanks for making this one.
I recently put together an AR-9 with the PSA lower that accepts the Colt style magazines. I went with the Colt style because when I purchased it several years ago, the Glock style didn't have the last round hold open. The magazines are a little more expensive, but really not bad. I only have around 200 rounds through it, but so far it's been flawless and shoots roughly 3" groups at 100 yard with a red dot. It has an AR Stoner upper and a Rosco 7.5 inch Bloodline barrel. Very happy!
not a word about Extar ep9 ????
Extar EP9 is boss at the $$$MSRP. Love mine...
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One you didn't mention is the PSA AR-V9 which is the AR version of the AK-V9 using the scorpion mags.
Is the foxtrot Mike ar9 a good entry level option?
I believe it is. Solid gun from what I can gather. My first PCC was a Gen 4 px9 from palmetto State and it has been a jewel.