Shadow of the Tomb Raider PS5 vs Xbox Series X/S Update - Can Next-Gen Handle 4K 60FPS?
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- Опубликовано: 20 авг 2021
- A surprise new update gets PS5 and Xbox Series X running at 60 frames per second in their high resolution modes - up from 30fps on last-gen. PS5 has the upper-hand in performance here though thanks to a move to 4K checkerboard rendering - while Series X pushes a higher quality image. Tom investigates the pros and cons of each.
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Now im waiting for "new" Skyrim Anniversary edition compared to other four versions and on 11 different consoles.
you asked for it YOU CAN NOW PLAY SKYRIM on a toilet seat! again it just works
Would be a good April fools video but that's be too much work for an April fools video lmao
Rumor is they might port it over to the sega genesis and Super Nintendo ☠️
When is it coming out?
@@entillonshadow6870 You’re so original !!
I just wish they'd touch up rise of tomb raider too.
I agree, that game still looks amazing
Could use some optimization and RT
doesnt rise already have a 60fps option on PS5 (PS4 Pro BC)?
@@robinfuijk Yes but it's 1080p
Yeah…Shadow is the worst one, IMO. ROTR is the best. Hard to come back from 60fps once you’ve seen it over 30, at least for me
@@ThibautMahringer 1080p at 60 fps is still really nice to look at! Most games are at 30 and under
It was the towns and villages that were the heaviest, and brought the base PS4 into the ~20FPS territory. Would be nice to see how these parts run now.
On My Ps5 it has some minor but noticeable hitches while running through the cities but since there is mostly no combat it doesn‘t bother me that much. But the game looks super impressive at times and doesn‘t need to hide behind e.g ghost of tsushima. (Tested on HR mode)
@@rajn8872 Good to hear, cause I platinumed the game on the base PS4 like a week before I got the PS5, back in November '20. The moment I launched it in back-compat mode, and saw how the performance mode runs on the new console, I realized I should've just waited. Spending time in villages on the base PS4 was just nauseating after a while.
CP2077 gets a bad rap for running poorly, but Ghostrunner, Control, Metro, this game - basically most games released at the tail end of the last gen, that aren't COD, DOOM, or SONY exclusives, dropped frames hard (sometimes even on the Pro, too). AC Syndicate was framey as heck, too, but that one has serious visual glitches on the PS5, so I had to endure it on the PS4. Even games like Jedi Fallen Order, that run alright most of the time, had constant performance issues on some planets.
Glad this gen is shaping up to be 60FPS all around, and that even last gen titles get enhanced on the new machines.
Yeah i was curious of that as well. Even on my pc the biggest town didn’t hold 60 fps (close though), unless i dropped the shadows a notch.
@@piobu5357 COD DOOM 60 fps on PS4
@Alvin Ham 'brought the base PS4 into the ~20FPS territory'
patiently awaiting a video on the new quake remaster, was so surprised to learn MVG helped work on it
Love mvg
Oh wow, I reinstalled Shadow Of The Tomb Raider last week with no thought of an upgrade so I can finally continue the game and finish it. This definitely made a good incentive for me to go back tonight!
Tom: I’d love to cover some new games.
Richard: Cyberpunk and Tomb Raider are your life now.
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DF in four lines, still glorious
Richard: Good stuff
Tom: Richard, I'd like to cover some other games
Richard: We've bespoken about this before.
So Crysis anyone?
💀🤣
Was already pleased with the trilogy running 60fps on the new consoles so this is a great bonus
The PC community would like to welcome the console community to the year 2007, congrats!
@@Battleneter these games were running at 4k 60fps on PC back in 2007? That's incredible!
@@jamesb7205 forreal i wanna see wat pc he had back then😑
@@jamesb7205 Just a snobby pc gamer that wants an ego boost. How pathetic.
@@redfirefox3568 I could try and explain the specification required, but I can't figure out a way to dumb it down far enough for console gamers.
I recently started this for the first time, on PC. A very enjoyable game and beautiful to look at!
Same. 160 fps on ultra settings is insane
Devs need to stop pushing 4k...
It's a fucking waste lol.
Target all settings to high and 60fps as a minimum. With dynamic resolution or just target 1440p and use reconstruction.
Modern reconstruction is more than good enough to compensate for that res drop.
1440p60+ with high/ultra settings will always factually be superior to 4k with reduced settings and inconsistent frames.
Spot on Kaleb.
I've wondered this myself. Unfortunately, 4k is a selling point to people that don't understand how much of a waste it is.
@@shinobixero270
Imo, dynamic resolution is a god send.
They can push higher frames and settings and just let the game scale the resolution as needed to help accommodate.
Look at metro exodus. It uses mostly high settings, some at ultra, and features almost all the raytracing features while pushing 60fps on ps5 and series X. They just let it run with a dynamic resolution. And it looks and plays fantastic
You took the words right out of my thoughts buddy , am now thinking next gen they also going to be targeting 8k and it’s deja vu these stupid geniuses
Maybe it's the suits from the publishers pushing devs to do everything in 4K now at the expense of graphical fidelity
Will you guys be doing a video on Quake remastered?
Now we need Red Dead Redemption 2 X/S update.
I wish man they will never do it 😢
@@C0ZYL4ZYik , so sad yet so true
What update bro? That game is better looking than my life
ur defo on pc @@d4mterro320
Red dead redemption 2 Expanded and enhanced only For 59.99$
Outstanding video guys, real important information for those who likes locked 60 (vs stutters and drops)
DF i love the content you put out i just made lunch and wanted something to watch instead of hulu etc always makes sense straight to the point and gets every detail
@digital foundry I've noticed in comparisons with a lot of the updates to last gen games that the playstation uses sub 4k resolution with checkerboard upscaling while xbox tries to aim for a more native resolution. My questions are: Do you know if this a developer made decision or the console side dictating this? Why wouldn't the same technique be used for each console in terms of how to deal with resolution (and possibly framerates) and is there any backend system performance advantage to one over the other? If this was the case that it could be done does that also mean the playstation and xbox would have matching performance across the board with resolution and framerate? Sorry if this has been explained previously and thanks for the good content.
Series Consoles also implement Auto HDR. Which easily explains the few dropped frames on the X. And ofc you actually can't see the diff without an HDR display, you won't see on RUclipss.
I think that since the official patch for 60fps has the exact same performance as the FPS boost did, it goes to show that they really didn't optimize the game in any other way. They just set the frame rate lock to 60, and called it done. Kinda disappointing that that they take so long to do pretty much nothing to upgrade their game. I would think that they would want their upgrade to be running smoother than what the series x just does by itself.
I'm still glad it's running at higher res and frame rate on these new consoles of course. More last gen games need upgrading, especially on playstation.
Not the only game that struggles to hold 60 fps on the SX.
Where are the 12 TF? Probably the Dev Kits arrived too late again?
It's a free patch. They didn't have to update at all for a 3 year old game but did it anyway & for free. be grateful. Also it's running on backwards compatibility which has a lot of hardware restrictions fpsboost or boost by patch,doesn't matter. If it ain't a native next gen app,it's gonna run poorly on both machines. That's just how consoles work.
@@glorious240fps6 I know, and I am grateful. As I said I hope more last gen games get patched. But it's always nice to have the extra polish worked in, several of my last gen first party xbox games might as well be a native next gen game with their upgrades. I'll totally accept this with a smile, but it could be better. But I also understand that they didn't even have to do anything, I'm sure they have other projects going.
@@MisterReen tf u talking about. Dz reply is so irrelevant and far from what d op commented. Lol
@@MisterReen I mean we’re talking about native rendering vs checkerboard at lower res… guess you didn’t watch the video there eh?
I feel like the only person who actually really loves checkerboarding. I think the trade off is so negligible that I can’t really tell it’s not native 4K in motion. The performance is always so much better that I’d rather just have the checkerboarding over a native resolution.
I feel like variable rate shader will be the successor to checkerboarding, where sections of the image that don't need to be as clean require less processing.
I personally like checkerboarding, ill take a slightly less sharp image if it means a more stable framerate
Framerate > resolution any time!!! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
checkerboard is underrated. horizon zero dawn for example was one of the best checkerboard implementations ever... no one would ever notice any difference if compared to native. 60 fps and cb 4k rules. it’s so much better than the normal res/performance trade off
Well, it depends on the distance you sit from your TV/Monitor. There's a point were those resolutions, be it scaled or not, look the same.
I’m happy they took the time to add this update, and it’s free, but I got to admit I’m a bit disappointed they couldn’t go to 1080 on the series S. This isn’t much different from the FPS boost.
Still, I’m looking forward to playing this, I’ve had sitting in my games for awhile now and just haven’t got around to it, and the 60 FPS sounds a lot nicer than the 20-30 that It would have been before the update.
In 2013 I have a Lenovo laptop with a GTX 660M, it could barely run 768p@60hz. In 2015 a GTX 980 capable of doing 1080p@60hz. In 2017 I got a 1080Ti, that thing can do 1440p@60hz. In 2021 I was lucky enough to get an RTX 3080. Now I get 4K@60hz or 1440p@144hz. Seeing these consoles going thru the same phase, I've feel very appreciative of what I have and my journey to get here. People with beefy PC takes this for granted. We all came a long way but I'll always remember that journey.
I just literally started it a couple of days ago and had no idea about the update and was blown away at how pretty and smooth it was
That's great I have the game on the least powerful console, the Xbox 1 and I'm loathed if imma buy the game again for PS5 so I'm stuck looking at 1080p or something
@@Dash101 awe man, lmao I’d have to take the L and get it on sale or something I hate the og Xbox one 😂
it's a very fun game enjoy (:
@@beheliteater PS5 or do you play SX?
@@turrican4d599 SX, wby?
It's amazing how good this game still looks. Was startling going from the native PS5 Jedi Fallen Order to this games back compat and seeing how much more crisp the visuals are while also having more consistent performance.
still looks, like triple A games. does look good from like 5 years ago or more.. Game industry has stagnated, specially graphically.
@@basseman4239 with the new tech that's going into this new gen with things like unreal engine 5, RT and the ssds we're going to see definitely difference between 8th and 9th gen in the coming years.
@@MikeJAk49 yea it’s usually about the engines isn’t it? Every generation needs time to use a new engine well that has stuff we haven’t seen.
It's not native 4k on the Playstation 5 bro that's Xbox Series X
@@ramellmerced8899 The game isn't native 4k on either consoles and once again the Xbox is trying to push to high a resolution and performance suffers because of it.
These 3 tomb raider games are just fantastic, i really wish the 2013 tomb raider gets a 4k patch too
Seems like this game would be a perfect candidate for dynamic resolution to smooth out those drops.
agreed, but that's not acceptable for Xbots, it's 4K or nothing... cause every single resolution under 4k is an eye soar... xD
@@High.on.Life_DnB What world are you in? As an Xbox player, I can confidently say that dynamic resolution is always better than native 4k.
@@High.on.Life_DnB welcome to the playground
Yeah drs is cool, if it helps why not.
@@sanskarkumar1614 Than congratulations, you're a respectable Xbox player, not an Xbot 👍 No hard feelings, I was just hoping to troll some xbots who think 4K is the most important thing for a console.
I played this on Base PS4. Desperately need an upgrade
It's a shame that developers don't check the performance of their code on XSX and release the patches with such poor performance.
Just because the platform has more power on paper doesn't always mean that the hardware can handle it without any issues and frame rate drops.
This is great news, I hope they will do the same for Rise of the Tomb Raider and Tomb Raider 2013 if they haven't already. I wonder if we'll get a next-gen client for the games.
On Xbox all 3 games got fps boost from 30 to 60.
The first game runs @ 1080p 60 fps on PS4. Rise of the TR should have resolution and framerate modes.
@@greggski3710 The first game runs at 30FPS on PS4, not 60.
@@jonathanmontes5579 30 on Xbox and is unlocked on PS4, often hitting 60 fps. On PS5 it's rock solid 60.
You can look for DF video comparing PS4 and XO version.
@@greggski3710 Yes I looked it up and it's true, my bad bro.
@@jonathanmontes5579 No problem. I was surprised when i learnt that too :D
i would love for them to go back and touch up the first game from 2013. That's my fav in the whole trilogy.
Hmm why? Its worse on every aspect
@@bl4ckout36 Opinions are great aren't they? See, we are two people who are able to feel differently about the same thing and that's totally Ok.
Even that game looks pretty good on the Series X. I was playing that recently, it's pretty cool. I like that they reimagined this whole series. I mean, movie producers have been doing that for a bit now, so why not games too?
Hope we get a new Tomb Raider game soon.
From Crystal dynamics, they are the best when it comes to TR imo
Naaa, the recent trilogy were one of the least imaginative games, gameplay wise.
@@bindusaraamitaraghata9420 Coming from all the open worlds out there, I've come to appreciate the more linear gameplay. I had a lot of fun with the first two, I'm doing Shadow right now and it's really enjoyable too.
@@ThibautMahringer Yeah, I agree. Linear gameplay doesn't have to be a bad thing. It's done well in TR and there's a billion other open world games out there if you want non linear gameplay. TR is one of my favorite game series hands down.
Hopefully is like the old tomb raider, I haven’t played shadow, but the first and rise were boring, like a shooter galley.
Hey. Can we get a comparison video of the new DLSS implementation in red dead redemption 2.
Can we see all 11 versions of Skyrim when it’s out! That’d be awesome!
Tom and this game are beyond a meme now, and I’m all here for it
Salty?
@@kingbeast777 Not at all! Got nothing but love and respect for the DF team 😌
Are you thinking of Mortal Shell? Maybe I am mixing them up.
AMAZING VIDEO TOM!!
So basically the best way to play it, if you have a modern TV like the LG CX or C1 is with the Series X, right? Since with VRR I get a smooth experience but also the higher res. Genuinely asking since I have both consoles hooked up to my CX and I’m not sure where I should play.
It does make me wonder whether Microsoft are saying to devs "get as close to native 4K as possible as VRR will smooth out the frame rate dips as our most valuable customers have VRR compatible T.V's " ......
...because this seems to be a recurring pattern on 3rd party games. Although I suppose it could be a recurring coincidence.
I don't think it's an outright mandate, but it's definitely not a coincidence.
Might just be the dev's choices.
@@leonfrancis3418 if it is purely a devs decision it's a strange one because different devs are coming to the same conclusion. In all likelihood it's probably that most teams are just not dropping the dynamic resolution enough which sort of works out for those with VRR .....but it's not so good for those without. Having said all that I can't see any difference past 1440p in any game ....lol
I think its just easier for them to get the existing games up and running on the Xbox, and VRR is a convenient crutch. Alternatively, there could be some discussion going on that we aren't privy to. I am still curious about ML support for the Xbox. We haven't heard anything in a long time.
Ps5 still dips...
@@davenewman4663 who said it didn't
So did they actually patch the series x resolution mode or just leave it to series x fps boost and call it a day. I mean nothing changed.
It's just fps boost. They did the same thing with sniper elite 4.
It does kind of feel like they didn't do as much work on Xbox. The Series S enhancement is.. underwhelming.. Especially when they upgraded the resolution on PS5. But who knows. Dev is hard.
They gave the game an actual 60fps update so it removed the fps boost option on Xbox. The only takeaway for me from this vid is that the ps5's saving grace on res mode is that fact that it's checkerboard. I can't tell you how irritating it is for me to hear people on last gen talk so much crap about checkerboard, but now it's suddenly fine. If the series x also used that method, i have no doubt the numbers would be higher on average. I say kudos to Xbox for keeping a higher resolution, even with the hiccups here and there. really flexing the muscle in my opinion.
@@THEBATMAN28AHH Yeah... so much muscle-flexing that it gets 10% worse fps with 20% more CUs. Such win, much flex. 🙄
@@zimelo6957 I think you're misunderstanding.. SX is pushing significantly more pixels (up to 100% more per frame) with only an occasional 10% performance penalty. A penalty that the dev thinks is better than lowering pixel count to match PS5, because the performance drops won't even be felt on a VRR television. Which BTW is nearly every television with HDMI 2.1, and devs are hoping next-gen owners are pairing their machines with HDMI 2.1 sets.
Great vid👍
Was there any graphical updates in the game aside from resolution? I wish you'd touch upon that.
No there wasn’t it’s just a resolution bump and frame rate
All this time I’ve just been using this game as a system benchmark for my PC. Maybe I should actually try playing it
It's a fantastic game, you should try it.
Shadow of the Tomb Raider is such a brilliant game, Eidos Montreal really did a superb job with this game and it has me super excited for GotG. All 3 of games in the new trilogy are fantastic but TR2013 and SotTR ended up being my favorites and I will take any excuse to replay this game.
Game looked stunning but was boring and puzzles were to easy. Lacked any real action wich was a shame. I thought Rise of the Tombraider was much better tbh.
Rottr is my favourite
Meh the story was so average.
Man your voice sounds like Hartman in Death Stranding. Love the the video
I don't get it, every updated or new next gen release seems to utilize some sort of temporal reconstruction or checkerboarding etc. but the PC versions continue to be lacking any sort of similar solution
A ~1440p "high frame rate" mode would have been interesting to see. I think the magic spot is somewhere between the 1080p "high frame rate" and the near-4k "high resolution" modes. One doesn't push the console hard enough, the other pushes it too hard. Neither seems really ideal.
1440p truly is the gaming sweet spot. It can give you higher resolutions and still leave room for more post processing, particle effects and whatever other graphical eye candy you want. Unfortunately 4K is a huge buzzword most people can't let go of.
1440p is amazing. 4K is too when it's done right but 1440p is perfect for me at 60fps. Anything above 1080p is always a plus imo. Not shitting on standard hd just saying I'd rather have 1440p 60fps as a nice balance.
Consoles are targeted towards TV as the primary output device. 95%+ (and im being conservative here) use TVs at 1080p or 4K instead of monitors that do 1440p. The moment you care about resolution scaling for performance you should just play on PC.
@@DroneCorpse The new consoles are running games at dynamic 1440p upscaled to 4K. So 4K is really just a buzzword since last generation because Sony wanted more people to buy 4K TV’s.
@@DroneCorpse Games on the PS4 and PS5 that run at resolutions higher than 1080p upscale to 4k.
Also, I think console games should come well performing from the developer. Part of the convenience of playing on a console is all of the work of figuring out the highest possible settings while still getting a stable frame rate has been done for you!
What a lazy next gen patch. Series S could easily be 1080p 60 fps. Devs just use Fps Boost and call it a "patch", didnt even change graphical settings.
I agree, 900p is a really low resolution for a new generation console.
@@joaquinipar6133 that console is not really new gen it's too slow, the only new gen consoles are series x and ps5, series s sucks
@@DeAtHvAnGeL Series S has a massive CPU advantage over One X and it can handle 60FPS gaming far better than any last gen console. The Series S is a fine console for people on a budget.
@@DeAtHvAnGeL Well, it has the same processor as the series x, so its definitely powerful.
Also, its quite cheap considering that a mid-level GPU is worth is more than the entire console.
@@joaquinipar6133 cpu wise yeah the gpu inside the series s sucks, also cpu alone is not the main component to push frames.
I would like a new re-release of physicals for the new consoles.
I really hope that developers favour frame rate over resolution as this generation progresses. I would prefer a 1440p game with some great resolution upscaling tech (like Temporal Injection) and get 60fps, than native 4k at 30.
4K is simply not worth the processing power. It's double the pixels and half the performance of 1440p and honestly, it's visually pretty negligible most of the time in gameplay. I game on PC and if I need some extra performance resolution is the 1st thing to go. Unfortunately resolution has long been big ammo in the console wars and 4K has become a buzzword with people not realizing how absurd an ask it is to run it on even pretty damn solid PCs.
True! WIth a good taa 1440p looks stellar on 4k screens. Native 4k is a marketing gimmick that isnt worth the cost.
1440p or even 1080p with antialiasing and rock solid 60 FPS + V-Sync modes for PS5 and Xbox Series X and nobody would need a gaming PC anymore.
@@daveruda Native 4K has always been a marketing gimmick for the consoles. 1440p 60ps upscaled is they should target because these systems are no were powerful enough.
i agree. Rachet and Clank in Performance with Ray Tracing mode at 60 FPS plays infinitely better than it does at native 4k 30 FPS, and looks almost as good as well.
Tomb Raider Definitive Edition needs this more than any other game in the series as there is no actual definitive version. On PS5, you get a locked 60FPS at 1080p with better assets and physics applied to Lara. However, PC allows for higher frame rates and 4k, but some of the assets are not as good. It would be nice for that game to get a resolution bump for next gen or to have an official PC release. Preferably both.
Take in mind, both consoles are still running in Backwards compatibility. So no RDNA2 improvements, the evidence is how fps boost runs exactly the same than on the official patch. I ran Shadow of the Tomb Raider at native 2160P with console settings on a Radeon VII with smoother framerates than XSX here, and Radeon VII is weaker than XSX gpu.
EXACTLY, this is why we see the frame drops, not that the consoles are being over taxed.
Yeah. If it was properly optimized FOR BOTH we would see a more stable performance
@@mrpiratefox4497 the problem is, it’s not optimized for PS5 and it’s running better.
Damn. I forgot how weak the Radeon 7 actually was.
@@RandyAugustus Yeah. With lower resolution and checkerboard artifacts.
Are we still able to user auto HDR and FPS boost if were running it without the X/S UPDATE?
Damn, that looks smooth and sharp. Might have to replay it, really enjoyed this game.
10/10 for me
If ur going to buy a Xbox series X make sure u buy a Tv with VRR or just buy a 399 PS5
OLED w/ VRR is literally god tier. Not sure why anyone would want less.
Why would I want to play at lower and fake resolution. VRR monitors are cheap and many 4k vrr TVs are cheap as well. Best gaming experience is series x with an LG oled vRR
@@infamous_ghost3361 cheap my butt 😂 a Monitor though yes.
@@infamous_ghost3361 I'd rather play at checkerboard 4K with fewer dips. Looks indistinguishable from 6 feet away, and the experience feels fluid. But hey, to each their own.
or just buy a 32" 1440p 144 Hz Freesync monitor (if VRR 4K 120 tv is expensive) which is cheap as fk and will give you the best picture quality and VRR support
cant wait till they cover the new cyberpunk patch
What a great looking game. If the combat, or better the gunplay in that regard were better and Lara would be globetrotting as in previous game, this would have been an amazing game.
In regard of updates I wish the PC version of 2013's Tomb Raider would have received PS4's visual improvements and also RotTR would have gotten some love (at least TAA as anti aliasing method would greatly benefit the image quality in motion).
Wow funnily enough I'm currently doing a late game playthrough right now
It'd be nice for them to touch up the older ones. In the mood for an unbroken trilogy run-through.
Try doing something productive instead.
I just finished playing the definitive edition of the tomb raider last night and now just downloaded this game last nite as well . And this video pop up . Bout to see what I'm goin be in store for
So, the port to Series X was basically just a copy/paste?
It runs basically the same as the FPS boost version, which changes no lines of code from the game.
I played this on the LG CX and never notice the dip.
VRR does a good job then :)
I wish they made a new version for next gen. Wouldn't mind platinuming it again.
That's a meaty platinum.
@@CyborgSodaCollects It's the easiest in the trilogy, even with all the dlc trophies.
@@dooleh84 really? I might go for it. I got collector fatigue.
@@CyborgSodaCollects Only the trophy for playing it on the hardest difficulty got me raging in one particular section, because I kept failing a jump over and over, and had to restart from the same checkpoint like 5+ times. Otherwise it really wasn't hard. I would recommend going for that trophy after you already get most of the others though. I played it in ng+ with the upgrades I got in my collectathon run.
A remake, with RT.
Shoutout to the VRR support, you won’t notice the dips
On the 0.01% of TVs that supports it.
@@PortfolioPL On noes.... you're poor 💰😢
@@TheDecisionsDecision
is that supposed to be insult
you probably live on daddy's wallet
Great vid
I played and sold "Shadow of the Tomb Raider - Standard Edition".
Now I wanted to play it in 4k/60 again. But only the "Define Edition is available. Will this edition match my achievements from the standard edition or will it be listed as a "second Game" of Shadow of the Tomb Raider?
I prefer better image instead of some drops of fps...
Im just very curious on why PS5 and Series X where not able to do 4K/60 and why they didnt Go Native 4K/30 and 1080/120 in the options settings also why Series S was not running at 1080/60 and 1440/30 to me these are very good questions and would had made the game and new consoles shine with this title.
From what I’ve seen people say, this game is running under backward compatibility and cannot use the full power of PS5 or series x because it’s not a fully optimized version
1080p looks absolutely horrible on a big 4K TV. I played FH4 for 3500 hours at 30 fps (and I tried to be fast, not just drive around). My eyes couldn't stand 1080p. I have no complaints on Series X at quality mode.
@@TimDespairBear11 That make more sense.....Thanks
What happened to the outro?
It wasnt in the past video either
What's different from last months patch? Wasn't it a 4k 60fps upgrade already???? WHATS THE DIFFERENCE?????
Here we go again! See you in the Skyrim comments also....
So as someone with both PS5 and Series X, and a TV capable of VRR, which is the best version for me? If VRR smooths over the fps drops, is Series X better for its near-native 4k or is the droppage still too noticeable?
Yes, definitely
Series X . You wont notice the drops with VRR .
I'd say Series X, but the resolution gap isn't that big. Toss a coin and pick your poison.
@@RandomGamingMoments925
4 million pixels difference...😁
Go with the console you play the most. The tiny bit of difference between the 2 won’t be noticeable during gameplay.
Does anyone know if the first two have 60FPS mode on PS5?
Great video but disappointed that there's nothing in here about HDR implementation, which (still) features elevated blacks, at least on PS5.
I want some 1440p love from more games.
What about testing games with dynamic resolutions on next gen like Shadow of War & Shadow of Mordor?
Not so sure about the 900p for Series S 🤔 Played it on XBOX One and Series S without and with 60FPS options and now with the patch. After the patch the image looks way sharper and clearer. Is that resolution or does TAA work better with higher framerates?
TAA works by accumulating information from the previous frame. If you now have twice the frames to pull information from, it's implied image will be more stable (or sharper) at 60 fps.
From what I can tell, Xbox One and Series S both run at 900p, so same resolution. What you are likely seeing as a better looking image is just higher graphical detail on the Series S. I would imagine that to get this game to run at 30fps ish, and 900p on the One, the settings would have to have been pretty much set to minimum.
Thanks to both of you 😊 gues will be a combination of both 😉 Still, it’s been quite an achievement how well it looked on the One. One of the best looking games on this old hardware 🤔
How do i know if my SoT got the update? I dont see the option and it says i have no updates for it
FINALLY! I've been waiting to see this video ever since I got my PS5 last December.
Wonder if Fidelity Fx on console would have helped stabalize the framerate at higher res?
Good question
Wonder the people who loves their "true" 4k will say to this. To me, full 4k is a waste of resources if things like dlss and fsr exist.
@@nongmaithemavinash3977 full native 4K still looks much nicer than either technique, especially on monitors. It can be either/or.
Checkerboard 4k has an interal resolution of about 1500p, FSR on ultra quality is 1620p, the checkerboard rendering is better in visual and performance
@@VaydaladaVodalada of course but is it really worth it over performance? It's just me, I prefer stable and better performance over the visuals.
Do you think that new games using new engines will get very close to stable 4k/60 (even if with ffx) with good overall game quality?
no. devs will scale back to 4k-ish30 and lowres60.... gfx sells :(
I was expecting loading time comparison.
The new update literally broke the lighting system on series x, you can see the artifacts i'm talking about at 7:05, there's light flickering on the sides of the plane.
It becomes even worse later on, in some scenes the lights start to flicker so much that the jungle turns into a disco i swear
That sucks. I was going to install the game and start playing it again. Hopefully they will patch the lighting bug.
Could one avoid the new update and only boost to 60fps, or is that out of the windows now? And why did Tom not catch this?!
I think you just can't unpatch the game, the only way would be to still have the good version of the game installed and to never patch it.
Tom probably didn't notice because the glitch gets heavier after the first few minutes when you're deep into the jungle, i'd say that past the first village after the plane crash you'd really start to notice it
@@turrican4d599 because it was a box issue, they dont do that.
Tom made a mistake here. PS4 Pro ran at 1872CB as stated in their own DF Analysis of Shadow of the Tomb Raider. So the Update to 2160CB on PS5 increases pixelcount and not decreases it.
It's explained at 4:40. The PS5 version is 1920x2016p which is well short of 4K.
2160*
@@dadaseyi looks just as good as 4k tbh lol
@@adrianhosein7698 yes, but it isn't the same. Just a fact.
@@dadaseyi in a technical way it isn't, but if it looks just as good without zooming in at 800percent then why should it discounted? The only difference they showed was in her hair and they had to zoom in to even do that, so I'd say it's better that way with better fps.
why are they not using the same rendering on both consoles does microsoft not allow them to use checkerboard
hdmi output in xbox loses all the voice audio, its currently missing, in cut scenes, I assume most of that audio is on the controller output, even if that audio output not being used.
scratch that, xbox output is 7.1 dobly by default and capturing only 2 channels stereo will cut off all speech sounds from the game.
I dont even know why Im not even interested in Series X or PS5 performance.I always want to see how series S performs
Check "The Xbox Tester" he tries all series s games
That’s a crap console!
@@zZiL341yRj736 you’re a crap console
@@zZiL341yRj736 tears haha
No one cares what the flag ships can do, it's the work horse that people care about. The little guy, that's why. I'm a PS guy and the PS5 digital runs the same as the disc version so I have nothing to cheer for. I to want to see how the series S does. The little train that could.
The new patch is welcomed, but I await new native titles using new engines optimized for these new console's.
With the pandemic and everything on short supply, I believe most companies will plan to hold off on releasing new games so they can maximize the sales revenue.
For example:
Release a game now for $60, for 1M console owners, that's $60M. Next year the same game will already be at a discounted price.
If they wait to release it next year where there will be 2x the console owners, that would be $120M.
@@mach3wgamer True enough. Also, taking account the cost for producing a recent AAA title is the main reason for continued support for last generation console's.
I have it on my
pS5 but I can’t even use the “O” button to remove the rock from Lara’s ankle right at the beginning after the plane crash…there is no response to using the “O” button. I don’t know what’s wrong but I can’t play this game
with a PS5 controller on my
PS5
where is that quake remaster review? ;)
Well... kinda glad I never beat the game on PS4 now. Once I'm done with Ghost of Tsushima again, I might just play it on PS5.
Haha same here! Missed that 60fps option on the ps4!
When I'm done with GoT, I buy Battlefield 5.
I liked this Tomb Raider very much, but not gonna play it again.
Best part of this generation is getting back to to games you never played/beat and getting to play them enhanced with 60fps or better quality. With all the delays of new games, perfect time to knock out some older titles
@@LonghornsLegend Correct, this was done in the previous generation as well, to make the wait easier after the launchgames, cause mostly, there is a gap between those 1nd the second wave.
But it doesn't change the gameplay or anything.
I keep that in mind.
@@Mr_G_s_Route_66 true. But that's why an external HDD is so imperative this generation you can store games like this on it and still get next gen features. I'll eventually beat this before the new TR releases
This is why I always opt to play my PC games at 1800p 60FPS depending on the game type, it looks almost identical to 4K and doesn't strain the system half as much and looks much nicer than 1440p
So, they changed the fps limiter on the SX & SS to 60? And thats it? Gee what a patch....
So on Ps5 it is 1080p with solid locked 60fps or
2160p at 60 fps with 50 fps dropped here and there ?
I will take 2160p for 90% of the game, 10% at 50 fps is doable .
Love ya, DF and this is a great video. However, due to your format of "here's the worst performing sequence", it puts the Series X further behind than it really is from my personal playthrough (mind you I do not have the tools to test for framerate, just judging myself as drops are pretty easy to see in a 60fps title) as other areas of the game really do hold up quite well to 60fps at 2016p. However, if anyone sees this and is thinking/wondering about getting a VRR display...it's extremely worth it in situations like this (which there are several on both consoles, but only Xbox fully supports the tech). The game looks amazing on my VRR monitor, though I do lose some resolution down to 1440p as my 4K TV (dumb me bought it like 2 months before VRR started coming out) does not have the VRR tech. Bit of a compromise for me, but for those thinking about getting a 4K TV with VRR for Series X...do it, it's a lifesaver when the developer doesn't quite reach that 60fps mark.
It'll always feel better to play a game with a locked frame rate, VRR won't change that
Input latency
@@duncanself5111 Not every game can't run with that locked frame rate. That's why VRR exists.
@@suppressed_viii I was just saying what it won't fix and the benifits of having a higher more consistent framerate that the PS5 seems to generally offer
Its a locked 60 fps in 99% of the time you play this game. DF just picked the worst 1% and then declares PS5 as winner. Even though SeriesX renders almost TWICE the resolution and has a much better picture. DF is obviously paid by Sony / or they are Sony fanboys. No-one in their right minds would pick PS5 as the winner here. Especially because BOTH consoles drop frames in those areas. And SeriesX at least has VRR. Which means you will feel the 40-drops less then PS5s 50-drops. And as we all know - DF have a VRR capable LG OLED - so they experience a better image AND steadier framerate (thanks to VRR) - but still they declare PS5 as winner. Because of money / fanboyism.
So yeah. Dont bother - DF do this in all their reviews. Reality is: If the PS5 would render this game at SeriesX resolution - it would just stutter all the time.
Alot of people keep saying ps5 runs games better yet ignores most run at a lower peak resolution or dynamic....
PlayStation handle games better
But the resolution see no difference
Yes that's because it's PS4 pro version running on the PS5, and that console was always lower resolution than the one X version. Stable FPS should always be prioritized unless you're dropping to stupid low resolutions of course.
@@ahmetfiratdulek834 you are dumb if you think most don't have a lower resolution it's been shown many times
Because it’s a PS4 pro game lol watch comparisons of actual next gen games..
@@tomcoleman9119 yes but they didn't go back and apply any next Gen tools to the game or updates they just unlocked the framerate. No optimizations
I love the playstation commercial in the middle of this video LOL
Lara´s friend looks a loot like our favorite chumb from Cyberpunk 2077.
I love the fact that you guys don't ignore the series S.
squere enix ignored it though :(
This is only in BC mode with an unlocked FPS.
wut
No shit
Now we need a look at Horizon Zero Dawns 60fps patch please.
I'll be honest, I've been playing this right now on my Series X and haven't noticed any of these frame drops.
Ngl kinda disappointed at series S being at 900p, I expected it to be at least 1080 for all games given it was advertised as 1440p system
Series S is the biggest L in Gaming history... Runs cold war at 1080p dropping to 40FPS(no 120FPS)
While Ps5 Digital(only 100€ more)
Checkerboard 4K RT at 60FPS/1440 Checkerboard 1200p at 120FPS
Up to 1440p... No one said it's always 1440p, depends on the game
Hope Tomb raider 2013 and Rise gets a patch like this...
They're already 60fps.
@@UltraCasualPenguin tomb raider def ed deserve native 4k@60
@@UltraCasualPenguin they’re 60fps on PS5 and XSX?
@@UltraCasualPenguin
I mean 'like this' , 60FPS with 4K res.
Nice, downloaded it again on to play on the Ps5
I have VRR so i get flawless 60fps and higher resolution. My guess is they just used FPS boost for the XSX version and made a 60fps mode for PS5 hence why the drops are the same on official 60fps vs fps boost 60fps.