H3H3 Debate Prep Derails Into Shouting Match w/ MauLer And Aba
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- xQc preps for H3H3 Ethan debate and finds himself in a shouting match w/ Destiny, MauLer, Aba, Pisco, Qorantos, STVPhilly, Darius...
Date: 5 Aug, 2023
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00:00:00 Teasers / Intro
00:00:43 xQc's goal for Ethan debate
00:10:36 MauLer joins to debate xQc
00:54:18 xQc shocked Aba and changed his mind
01:13:35 Aba vs xQc
01:14:56 Impressions talk is irrelevant
01:39:44 WRONG WRONG WRONG
01:58:13 xQc vs Qorantos
#destiny
#politics
#debate
Ethan Calls Out Hasan And Goes GLOVES OFF! ►ruclips.net/video/qlPJ6Av6S0c/видео.html
xQc debates Ethan ►ruclips.net/video/lIlYC5QeBZU/видео.html
@@bruh-tq2pwagree
@@bruh-tq2pwn
X is right abotu Dark's weird tangents... he... goes in really fuckign stupid and weird tangents that are super questionable.
I need to know the name of this game destiny is playing pleasw 😢
@@robo8478 It's called Ixion I am pretty certaiin. Yeah it is, Ixion, I saw it and was curious but never did get it.
You are basically in a ship/station that went into FTL but an accident stranded the station far away and you are making your way back.
Today I learned "thats a ridiculous argument and youre dumb for bringing it up" is an unassailable absolute defense
Destiny is gonna debate with h3h3?!
Almost as powerful of a statement as "ur mom ghey"
That kind of rebottle only works for audience members who take the time to pick apart the arguments. So you win some people but not the masses.
it's only unassailable because the person saying it doesn't have the mental capacity to engage with it.
@@SuperiorRobyn no, xqc is
I always watch Destiny at 2x speed, but it's impossible to understand anything that XQC says at that speed, that man created a completely new language.
Lmao 😂 I had the same problem
I started watching this live but bailed out before mutar joined because I wanted to watch at 0.75x speed lol
How can you watch destiny in 2x speed? That’s literally like trying to understand xqc at normal speed
Impossible to understand at 2x? He's impossible to understand at 0.25x
Dude, even at normal speed, I legitimately don't understand 10% of the words that come out of his mouth.
Mauler is like the adult trying to explain to a toddler why eating glue is bad.
Xqc being a toddler high on glue in that analogy is pretty fitting.
"but-but-but-but i-i steamro-rolled him" 😂😂😂 dudes a straight clown 🤡
Mauler is a clown person when it comes to his 12 hour movie reviews.
Longman bad
@@blackRXriderlongman bad
There is 0 chance xqc ends up looking good with the debate with ethan lmao.
@tylerbanns9515xQc gets too emotional so yes he can still lose to Ethan lol
@tylerbanns9515Ethan ain’t exactly a genius overall but this is his wheelhouse bro and xqc doesn’t come off as a brainbox either, especially when he gets mad
He is essentially saying there is nothing wrong with monopolies
Mcdonalds, Starbucks and Subway should be allowed to buy every food chain it wants and rebrand them selling the exact same food so that they consolidate all profits from the fast food industry and that this is a good thing because otherwise that guy in Tennesse would have never tried any fastfood from that small chain in San Diego. The big companies have a larger reach and introduce mom and pop food chains from all over the country to everyone meaning the customer wins and the Mega fast food chains win.
- This is essentially SSsniperwolf showing random creators Tiktoks to a wider audience (her audience)
@@finnmacmanus5723Yeah I think its like Hasan vs Tate. It's not that Hasan is a great debater, but Tate is a moron. Ethan isn't necessarily always the sharpest either, but xQc is like a child, and this is something Ethan actually cares about and seems to hold a thought-out opinion on, while xQc is just doing mental gymnastics to justify his job.
X is not considering the fact that Ethan and his lawyers pretty much set the precedent for fair use law.
x saying "lawyer andy, where's your degree?" to pisco is the funniest misfire so far lol
😂
Let's not forget that when XQC was responding to Ethan and Hasan's podcast on stream, he said "The law is sacred! Don't fuck with the law!" only for his new take to be "The law can suck my dick, you lawyer andy!"
Is he a lawyer I have no idea who he is
@@SIATPhoenixhe is
@@SIATPhoenix degree and bar if i remember correctly
Mauler is so articulate and well reasoned. Compared to him xqc’s speech and arguments sound like that of a strung out tweaker
No, that's not just compared to Mauler. He looks and sounds like a strung out tweaker. Period.
@@dandansen4261 true. Mauler’s contrast just makes the conclusion painfully obvious
Hearing xqc, who just signed a 100,000,000 dollar deal with Kick, tell Mauler that he wants massive corporations to control all media because that's what the consumer wants legitimately sounded like a villains speech in a movie
missing 3 zeroes there, friend 🥵
damn, that's money
@@_ampersand damn you're right lol
yeah that was pretty surprising, the individuality in the content is what makes youtube great
Xqc comes off as super slow to me. Is it because he’s not speaking his native language?
@@brandoloudly9457its cause he's just generally pretty slow, his speech problem just makes it alot worse
Mauler eventually sitting back and just letting everyone else make themselves sound stupid. He didn’t even have to say much
My favorite part was when Mauler talked longer then 5 seconds
I must have missed that part. Damn. 😂
More Mauler 🎉
I need to know the name of this game destiny is playing pleasw 😢
@@robo8478IXION
mauler got lapped
XQC is like if 100 scientists spent 100 years carefully constructing the world's most insufferable spoiled brat, frankensteined together from bits and pieces of lesser spoiled brats, and then they also bonked him on the noggin with a frying pan over and over to make him stupid
Lmao, I can't even stand to have anything with him playing for more than 5 minutes. He's the most annoying creator I have ever had the displeasure of witnessing.
Nonsense!
I don't get why people watch him
Thank you, Max.
He wasn't always like this. I think what's happened as of recently, with all the stuff going on in his life, is he's just gone the full route of "Idgaf" and broken his head a little bit. Full fuck it mode
This is the type of intellectual debate I’ve been waiting for
WRONG! WRONG! WRONG!
Gonna send this to every debate team in my county and tell them to take notes
This is the Autism I needed in my life
why is destiny discussion with mauler on last night than this one
@@edwardteach3080You dont have to fabricate anything when half of the streamers are actually that dumb.
This feels like the abortion debate with the 2 women again. You can't argue with someone who's entire livelihood depends on the thing you're arguing against. Xqc will die on this hill with his last breath.
Ofc he will, he does 12-14h streams so he Needs videos to fill a lot of the time. Saying otherway would Kiinda make him have to not to do it. Which would make part of the streams way harder when wanting to eat etc. or needing to make the streams shorter aka losing money. Every streamer have to argue this side by default by every streamer is doing it or saying I do it and don't care... that's it. Second option is just kinda risky when you are a massive streamer.
I need to know the name of this game destiny is playing pleasw 😢
@@aleksisuuronen5969ever heard of brb screens? When you can't provide your own content, don't just steal it from someone else
@@aleksisuuronen5969He's not obligated to stream that long and even less obligated to use other people's content to maintain it. God knows he doesn't need the money either, there really is no excuse for it he's just greedy and lazy.
@@robo8478 should be ixion, brother
xqc going "ooooo" into one of the worst takes of the video is fire. I sure hope Quiznos doesnt ruin this convo as much i think he will 😅 He did 😢
You really can’t invite them anywhere
Bro i can't fucking escape this guy. Destiny is seemingly talking to him very often and q was also on erudite. Like he's funny sometimes but if I wanted to hear autistic screeching I'd go play cod
@@alfey318I think he can be great content, but he's really got to learn his place as a newbie content creator, and learn when to back off and give space.
@@AchillesThePeacemaker To me he has no respect and has major "I am the main character" energy. He is a nobody in a conversation with people with 10000 times his reach/clout and he constantly wants more from people. Erudite was right in calling him greedy because he is; he has a golden opportunity that a lot of people would kill for and he doesn't even take it seriously.
Same. I’m to the point where I just turn the stream off when he comes on. So obnoxious
MauLer is a beacon of rationality and comprehensiveness
He's naive as fuck tho!
@@BobFudgeewhat do you mean?
@@BobFudgee With eloquence like yours, who could argue an opposing viewpoint?
He’s arguing ethics and ultimately xqc barely has none
@@Turd_Rocket 🤓
xQc has never looked less eloquent than in a call with fucking Mauler
what happened to him - he can barely talk nowadays
It’s like he is devolving
@@zizourooney6907 I could be wrong, but he give me amphetamine vibes. Maybe adderall, maybe not
He's always been like this, his speech and weird explanations make it hard to understand him
Mauler is based tho
Mauler has common sense and is reasonable. xQc is just so deep in internet streamer personality bullshit territory, hes completely lost.
So basically, this video is two multi millionaires, telling small time creators that they shouldn’t worry about money. And that they should be OK with their content being taken because the multi millionaires don’t mind and don’t see a difference if their own bottom line. This is probably the most tone deaf thing I’ve ever heard two people say.
Stealing is okay because i advertise the thing i stole from you making you money.
@@angryfan370 i mean not a bad deal if they advertise it to hundreds of thousands of people that belong to your customer base
@@domerame5913 but it’s not for them to say what’s good for the individual creator. If they contact them and say”are you cool with me reacting?” And they say yes, then that’s fine. Otherwise, not cool.
XQC runs on the logic of “I want to do what I want, when I want”
Rich man takes at its finest
Except he has asked permission from most youtube andy's before posting shit. I know the destiny's youtube comment section unironically believes it causes harm with literal 0 evidence to prove it but cmon on
@@A_3000 An easy explanation of harm would be that if everyone just takes your content for free and rebroadcasts it then you will be unable to license it to people. Even if they could charge 50 dollars to streamers to play their videos that would be money in their pocket. If the "meta" is just take it and if they complain then don't do it again then they can't sell their work to streamers.
@@A_3000Literally, if he’s been asking for permission wtf is this drama?
@@id1550because he hasn’t been
@@A_3000 not to mention its all just non-creators being assmad about this when every smaller youtuber would jump at the opportunity to get their content in front of asmongolds audience etc.
Brooooooo. “You’re mad because I thought to steal and you didn’t” is a wild argument.
"If Christopher Nolan doesn't want to work with me, he will be broke." -X
And apparently Aba believes that if Ariana grande quit music, none of her fans would ever listen to another song from any other artist as long as they lived
Mauler just taking W after W even though he barely got to talk compared to everyone else.
@@yonigee7939 nah he was pretty right, xqc just said a lot of words very loudly to say "Well I dont care, I am making money from it."
Did we watch the same video, thats just wrong!
@@BobFudgee So you think "I don't care what they think, it benefits them, and I'm going to keep doing it" are good arguments?
@@Terrbearr428The chance a noticeable amount of X viewers were going to watch those video's outside twitch is so low, who cares.
Dissolution of IP rights is not a good thing.
"They can't prove any harm, so they're crying over nothing, I'm right"
"React videos help the youtubers, actually"
As a longtime fan of Ethan, I got worried when I saw Destiny was prepping this guy, because Destiny would smoke Ethan in just about any debate you can imagine. It turns out my fear was unwarranted. I don't think Harry Potter, Neo and Jesus Christ could help this dude, even if they combined forces to help him win an argument.
The Holy Trinity
He would lose an argument to a slice of bread
I need to know the name of this game destiny is playing pleasw 😢
Regardless on if X is right or not I believe a lot of what Ethan claims comes from just hatred and a negative bias. It's one thing that over the years I disliked Ethan for and I used to be a fan of his back in his prime during 2015 - 2016. I even remember all the beef he had during the time Pyro, Keemstar, Leafy and Ethan were at each other's throats back then. I was even around watch the early episodes of the H3 podcast as well. That's around the time I stopped watching him because I just didn't like who he was anymore. I check up on him and it's sad he's still the same. The way he spoke with Hasan and how combative he was showed that he isn't able to keep debates reasonable. Another example was when he started laughing when reacting to QTcinderella and the deep fake situation. I know he's apologized to both Hasan and QT on each respective situation but it's that problem I've always had with Ethan and what made me stop being a fan of his to begin with. I watch X, Hasan and other streamers in the space and Ethan just seems out of touch and too narrow minded compared to them. He seems to let himself get blindsided by his hatred towards X to even look more into things. Mauler even pointed out that if X brings up the fact that he is willing to cooperate with content creator's on this issue that Ethan would struggle with his "thief" claim and I agree. That's just how I see it.
@@robo8478autism simulator 2062
the best part was xqc being amazed by destinys clown car spawning new orbiters.
Clown car?? My fella, that is his factory line. It’s what all the Factorio was building to
the destinfree market is back at it again
@@thegrimeyhole u are telling me that quarantos was rolled out of an assembly line? its magic what they do over there and engineers and scientist still have no idea whats going on, so i doubt there is a factory.
I think Mauler's main frustration that I myself agree is that by encouraging react content and not condemn it morally (because legally I cannot see it happening on any platform unless you are going to China levels of monitoring) you get less and less quality content. If someone puts their heart and soul editing a video, gets say 10k views, but then hundreds of big react Andys "steal" the video with no transformation at all and they get more views therefore more money while the original creator is left with smallers views. All the while robbed by potential views because they already saw their content so why bother coming back to the original, that is demoralizing.
So then everyone will just make easy, digestible, run of the mill content because why the hell to try for more.
They are agreeing with the world that changed SNEAKO from being a great video essayist to a braindead react andy.
But it's not potential viewers. Xqc showed that there is no overlap between his community and whatever he is reacting to, especially since he streams on another platform than youtube. He also showed that the next videos of the channels he reacts to get more viewers, so unless you have proof that these mythical "potential viewers" are more than the actual viewers xqc sends to the next uploads of these channels your argument has no basis in realty. Also there haven't been ANY channels, ANY that stopped uploading videos because of react channels so you're just wrong
@@bardol359 it's more about the principle.
The word "potential" viewers implies that it isn't proven, only that there's potential for those viewers to see the content.
The end all be all, is that sitting there while saying nothing on stream while another person's video babysits your chat for you is not at all transformative.
@@aTalkingKoala8294 you're just wrong, there is no principle there. If it's not proven (because it's false which you won't admit) and it is proven that the channel gains subscribers and viewers for the next video then that's a net benefit for the creator. Creators themselves agree with this and allow people like xqc to react. As for it not being transformative that's only if the reactor never said anything in the video, which even then we can argue that chat makes the content transformative. The only bottom line here is that creators benefit from reactors and you are butthurt for no reason at all, especially since xqc asks for permission. There are no principles here, just you being in your feelings
@@bardol359 you read waaay more emotion into my reply than there actually is, I assure you lmao.
The principle is, transform. End of story.
Sitting there while saying nothing isn't transformative whatsoever.
Giving one or two sentences of shallow input every other minute isn't transformative either.
I agree with you about the views. Most people aren't going to watch those videos anyway so we can let that argument go.
What I'm advocating for is simply this- the reaction should be a completely different product by the end of the stream due to the streamers input.
If there's very little difference in watching xqc quietly watch someone else's video and watching the video itself, then it hasn't been transformed.
It's basically using someone else's intellectual property for personal gain. The only way it becomes ethical to do is if the stream transforms the content.
“With Watch Parties, you can chat with up to 100 friends in the same country while you watch movies and TV shows online together. For Prime eligible content, you need Prime membership to start or join a Watch Party. You can also choose to use Watch Party to watch content available to buy or rent with friends and family. Every participant will need to buy or rent the video, similar to watching it on your own.”
Stupid AF point from XQC about Amazon recognising the value of watch parties lol
How? They recognize it, and then monetized the fuck out of it to the point where they turn 99% of people away. Classic corporate move.
Am I the only one that loves Mauler being here?
Nope. He was my proxy destiny while Stephan was busy blowing x
@@butthardley5160 Lmao trueness.
I’m with you. I’ve got three of my favourite content creators in one chat. I’m living the life
I'm with you, Longman good!
No, Mauler is a genius
So cringe for Destiny or any streamer, to say that if they died, their audience would JUST STOP WATCHING CONTENT. DELUSIONAL THINKING HAHAHA
Top 3 worst arguments in this video. Unless you have unhinged stalkers as your audience 100% of them are just gonna consume content elsewhere if your gone. Like with all the RUclipsrs that have quit does destiny actually think a lot of their audience just disappeared off RUclips?
@@neubaufahrzeug9339 nah lots of people just like a streamer. i don't watch streamers because i need to fill a void i just watch whenever i find a stream interesting. if none of the people i like post i just do something else
I watch Destiny because he is able to engage in intellectually stimulating discussions on a wide range of issues with people from different backgrounds. Think Joe Rogan, but also someone who can provide substantive pushback. I think a good portion of Destiny's RUclips audience would stop watching. Cant speak for his live stream audience.
@@t-rick1048I dunno, I feel like people who have a taste for politics might float over to other pol streamers e.g. dpak, a lot of people like at least one orbiter, with destiny leaving the space a based omniliberal vacuum would open and either someone would step in and fill the ecological niche or someone will post a based ass video destiny fans all applaud and get audience captured. Like, there is obviously a lot of eyes on destiny, everyone is incentivized to pick over his audience as soon as he stops tending them.
@@butthardley5160thinking dpak is a substitute for destiny…. You missed the point entirely.
Respect for the Longman, keeping his patience and his calm
I really thought i could not stand xQc more than i already did, but holy fuck, this debate just opened up a brand new horizon of hate
I didn't hate him before but this got me there
Why does anyone watch this guy? This is my first real exposure to him and he seems awful.
It takes a special person that causes me to actually root for quorantos
I'm agreeing with mauler. I can only point to my own experiences. Every streamer is replaceable. I use to watch Mr.Metokur. He no longer streams. I didn't go looking for the next mr.metokur but I like commentary content. So I found content that was similar. Destiny has been that replacement. If he wasn't streaming I would go look for someone else that was similar.
The argument of. Well why would they pay you contracts if they were replaceable? It's because at the moment, they are what's seen as valuable and viewers will navigate towards the content they want. Sometimes regardless of the platform. Does that mean their will never be another xqc? I don't know how they can say that with a straight face. Music bands, sports stars, pop idols. They all come and go. Nothing is ever infinite when it comes to fame. Does that mean I could just pop another idol in Katy Perry shoes and expect them to do as well. No, but to say their would never be another pop star. Is just dumb.
Same thing with athletes David Beckam was big then it was Messi. Everyone in media is replacable sometimes the replacement is worse other times they are better.
Everyone is replaceable so not the best point of view
Yeah-- if someone is that dedicated to one streamer, they will quickly find someone to replace that time and dedication. Aba missed that point because he doesn't spend all day online like that.
Exactly it may not happen in real time but it will eventually.
⚡weetie⚡quad rise up!
person takes person’s entire video and reuploads it: “i don’t care”
person takes xqc’s face and puts it on a t shirt: “this is theft!”
Bro you don't understand the vision lol
It clearly is NOT ok for a streamer to act like they have an implicit right to stream anyone else's content. IMO the default should be for the streamer to simply privately ask the creator if they are ok with them reacting to it on stream. And quite obviously uploading entire VOD rips with zero transformation/editing is universally awful.
Who gives a fuck. You upload a video to the internet for the public see. Whether or not you wanna stream that video to react to it regardless of how transformative it is is irrelevant. If you don’t want people to react to your shit, dmca, don’t post the content at all, or put it behind a paywall
How hard is it for these rich fucks to hire some minimum wage person from a state where it's cheap to live to have a list of videos recommended by viewers, pre-watch them so x doesn't have the problem of 'what if the video is shit?', then the person sends a mass copy pasted email to RUclipsrs involved and if u have permission let it play.
Tbh if you have copyright you have to be willing to defend it. There is no world where people just assume and comply.
That's why big companies do it so efficiently.
also the fact that these "react" clips are getting more vieuws than the original videos just proves it All
I can't tell if destiny is being soft with him because he's being nice, or he can't understand half of marble-mouths words. How do people listen to this guy?
He isn't this moronic on other topics.
@michaelh878 I'm not saying anything about his intelligence, im talking strictly audio quality. He lives on 2x speed. I've met tweakers more articulate
He's more calm and entertaining when it's just him on his stream. Let's say he's different when he's sorrounded by new people
@@A_3000 I've seen his streams. He talks this fast and mumbles this much all the time.
Ngl I understand him fairly well though I've been watching him on and off for the last 6-7 years. Genuinely is like a second language listening to this Quebecoise baffoon
I'm crying laughing every time XQC makes a point confidently like he knows what he's talking about in the slightest ever. He's lucky if he doesnt say 2 opposite points in one individual conversation🤣🤣🤣🤣
Sentence*
Listening to XQC is like listening to a hundred different AI’s switch control of a conversation every 10 seconds. I’ve never seen someone speak without thinking about the consequences of what they’re saying so much. Sweet Jesus.
Imagine a video game studio made a game, and just straight up stole character designs and music from artists then said "well nobody would have seen/heard your work without our audience so you should be grateful" nobody here would be defending that shit.
Completely different but ok.
@@usucdik Okay, let's change it up a little. Let's say you steal character designs from a small artist/company in US, move to china/japan/korea and use them in your own game/film (doesn't matter) that will exclusively open there. Would that be wrong?
@@mr.dagger437 yeah and what if someone decides to make ai porn of a streamer. it's technically transformative, and technically adds new value to the market
@@oyah999 and wouldn't take away from the viewership, and would be hard to prove any damages
Well put.
Also the ego on these dudes to think the average person wouldn’t just watch someone else if they quit making content lol
xQc's prep should be learning to speak a little slower
He mostly leans into his autistic speech on purpose. Not that it's fake, but he doesn't suppress it. If anything, he purposely allows himself to turn completely autistic for content (and his career is proof of this)
xQc's prep should be learning to speak. Full stop.
Also that shouting is no argument.
I honestly did not think Destiny was this full of himself. he thinks 50% of his viewers would just stop watching content if he was gone, that's insane.
I mean, what do you expect really?
Yeah speaking as a fan, this might be the dumbest thing I've ever heard, certainly the dumbest thing he's ever said
Closed caption s too lmao
If you're preferred creator makes 3hr videos about autistic things like destiny and than they stop, ofc theres a high chance you'd consume way less content since theres isnt anyone that similar to him. There are a ton of people who watch something for a long time and when the show ends they dont watch that type of content anymore for a looong time until they find smth similar.
@@RiverDakaactually I’ve had content creators, who I listened to religiously, disappear…trust me you will find new voices and faces to fill the void. Everyone is replaceable.
Qanontos came in and ruined everything. I used to defend that guy, get rid of him
He always does
😂😂
How did he ruin everything here? He was participating in the convo just like any other orbiter and really wasn't trying to hog up air time like he usually does.
Conversations that include Quiznos always go to crap because he thinks yelling shit makes his point more powerful.
@@Tauren110he needs to learn to read the room a little and give some space.
There's a reason why people felt irritated by Quorantos but were okay with Zeanna.
I mean when you have Xqc, aba , destiny , mauler in the conversation already it maybe wise to learn to interject in appropriate spaces .
Its so hard not to be Doomerpilled with all this kind of nonsense in the world and the pull insufferable people get lol
Destiny is insane to think 50% of his viewers would just stop watching content. They would all find some other content to consume.
Yeah like i said before thats a thing, what makes someome special is a REASON for them to stay, if EVERYTHING is mid, then people are gonna stop, ive seen people do so already
I think this is where destiny's vieuw completely falls apart, the fact that he doesn't understand that people just want content and don't necessarily only want 1 specific thing when they open their distraction app
@@KamilDeKerelwell if destiny stops streaming ill probably stop watching political streams
@@ufelzonme but you would fill it with some other form of entertainment right?
Not go meditate and consume no alternative content.
@@ufelzonme But would you watch other types of streams?
Qurantos going into a debate just to shout over folks and then plug his channel is the debator version of react streamers 💀😂
xQc was yelling the entire debate before Qurantos even showed up.
@@questionsfromthebeyond X was yelling sometimes, but he was still moving the conversation along and responding to the questions given to him. I'm not sure, but I think Q was the only person who joined the stream without adding a new perspective to the debate. Too much time was spend going over questions already answered, or topics already covered. Maybe he added more to the debate later once they caught him up to speed, but I wasn't listening at that point. Just felt like the convo came to a halt then got worse over time after Q joined.
💯
At any other time in history xqc would be locked in an asylum for his own safety. What a time to be alive.
It's so disingenuous when he says the claim it harms content creators is not proven, yet he claims it actually helps them without proof either...
Even if he is right that it helps them. Why right does he even have to reupload someones content.
The real people being harmed are often not even the ones having their videos taken without their consent, but all of the people who don't get their stuff seen at all because they have been drowned out by react videos.
Its similar to the harm caused by things like import tariffs or NIMBY housing policies. The negative impact is spread over a large number of people who often can't even know it's happening to them specifically, but it is there.
There is proof on Twitter though LMAO
@@angryfan370He doesn't. He has chat and actually interacts with the point. You seem lost to what's actually happening. He does reactions, not reuploading videos. He still talks about the video to a degree when he gets information. That's just socially inept to say
Aba’s argument is essentially “because a lot of people won’t do it, that means it’s hard, so I won’t do it too”. This is an ok position to take assuming you’re spineless and have no self respect.
That’s not what he said lol
@@FentyCola559Look, the anti-react squad don't have a lot going on. Let him have it
@@A_3000The anti react position is actually a super easy one, streamers don't have an obligation or a right to record other people's content if they can't transform it. It doesn't matter whether or not it's harmful whether or not it's popular, if you didn't get permission from the creator you have no right to stream it.
@@angryman_ Sure. But that's not the position they're going for, they were so confident before about this, that they chose the view metrics arguments. And then backtracked later on
@@A_3000 Because X said he doesn't give a shit if he's committing crimes and doesn't care about laws. My point is the position is just simply by default the correct one, because the only defense are things that don't change the fact that you do not have the right to record yourself watching the content without transforming it into a different type of content.
X’s argument is basically “ when I go into a store, I take what I want and only pay for it if they ask me to stop stealing. “
Based.
Didn't multiple creators came forward and said xqc's editor asked permission before posting videos on youtube?
Hasan agrees 😂
@@lemni4799did he ask when he made money reacting to them when streaming?
@@lemni4799 that depends on what the "ask" was.
"Can I react to your video on my stream?" Will most likely get a yes answer from majority of people
But what if he phrased it this way - "can I play your video in full on my stream without saying anything and then upload the clip of myself watching it onto RUclips?"
I'd bet my bottom dollar, you'd get a lot more "no" answers to that question.
I'm kind of worried about xQc in a debate with Ethan, regardless I'm gay
There is nothing ethan can do to turn xqcs fans against him. It literally dosent matter how good he does.
Why worried? He deserves to get destroyed for his terrible takes.
@@alejammiOnly everyone who doesn’t watch XQC, which is many people. of course his fans will stand by him lol
Reported
A fellow cumtown listener?
When destiny argued with the pro life guy he said that he couldn’t change his position because his livelihood depended on defending his position. Isn’t this the same situation for react streamers and RUclipsrs?
This may be Quorgonomics largest L to date
Honestly, I think the more interesting argument is licensing rather than transformation. The creator is contributing to the streamers content without compensation. Just provide them compensation, and all of this ends
Your argument could be used in the opposite direction as well. That they should pay them to react to it. All of it is based on whether it benefits or harms the original creator. And there is 0 chance anyone can prove it either way.
They refused to pay a few dollars to play copyrighted music. No chance they'll give money to youtubers.
@@jansmycka4338the original creators don't ask for these react people to do what they do so I do not think your argument makes sense, the reactors, aka people without any original content are using the content of creators to feed their own mouth, so idk that the argument can be turned around like you say
@@bruh-tq2pwx says in this video that he gets permission from people beforehand
@@jansmycka4338no it can't. There is zero precedent for just using someone's unlicensed IP and expecting to be paid by the person who made it.
xQc runs through points and arguments without properly expanding them or even actually engaging with any counterpoints. Telling Mauler: "You fell for it, I had high hopes for you, I'm really disappointed in you." when he can't even formulate a single coherent point is baffling.
Destiny contradicts himself multiple times. When talking to xqc, X says the people whose videos are used need to “prove harm” referring to the fact that they lost views/money. Destiny corrects him and says “not necessarily even if they don’t lose money, if you own that property you have the right to how it’s used.”
Then later when Pisco & Mauler bring up that same point, he says that’s not what copyright should protect you from.
Then he says he will always take down a video if someone asks unless it’s like Ben Shapiro or someone if he feels that they are trying to avoid criticism and just censor him. Then explicitly admits he would choose to stop specific people from using his videos in fair use ways if he could.. which is exactly what he was complaining about.
It literally just sounds like he wants copyright laws to only benefit him.
Destiny tolerates X acting like a toddler throughout this entire video. He should have tried to put him in check for that if he was really thinking about the consequences of debating Ethan.
Destiny just enabling him
it’s amazing coming back and seeing how confidently wrong xqc is right after watching hin get his cheeks clapped by ethan
After listening to XQC, I think him actually commenting on the videos he's reacting to, would only hurt his viewership numbers.
He knows
This argument that if the reactor was there, their audience would just disappear is entirely nonsensical. They aren't just going to turn to Thanos dust or enter a coma.
You're factually incorrect
I know alot of people that just don't watch RUclips because their favourite RUclipsr is gone
Xqc out here justifying stealing someone's labor.. lmao
So you should be able to watch a movie on a stream and the company has to negotiate a pay for both of you wtf is this bs
Its the lack of accountability that small creators can wield when it comes to this crap. Corporations can and will f you up over it. Joe schmoe youtuber can't.
The mental gymnastics from all the streamers trying to justify non-transformative reaction videos/streams is fucking insane.
And pretty disheartening.
virtue signal alert!
That's great but there's not much argument other than "ur lazy!"
No-one's justifying it, people can cry about it being low effort/trash/lazy/etc as much as they want. But nothing gives them permission to completely make up arguments about steeling/harming someone just because they are mad at streamers. X's is right.
Xqc is so obnoxious unfortunately.... mauler kept being a rational and calm human being and x goes off throwing a tantrum going on a rampage and waterfalling words out of his mouth where barely anyone can comprehend what he is even saying.
I feel bad that mauler had to deal with XQC and his brain dead arguments lol
Having watched the debate before this video I can now conclude XQC is 100000% unhinged from reality
Holy fuck am I disappointed in Aba for his take on what counts as transformative at 49:00
Aba and Preach have been the standard of good takes for the most part imo to me at one point. Anyway, after fanboying Andrew Tate (in the past), Pearly Things (in the past), and so many other content creators, I have just come to learn that no matter who you agree with 99% of the time, you can't trust these people because they all make content for monetary gain, and money changes everything.
If Aba and Preach ever have crazy takes such as Aba's here, I ain't surprised nor do I expect them to always be right. These guys live in a different world.
I look to no one online for advice or guidance, hell at what time, I thought Kevin Samuels was the man, but now... I think the majority of his views on women was utter BS besides his message on men improving themselves.
Best people to look to for guidance ain't people who say things to the masses for monetary gain, it's really the people who care about you and are around you who don't benefit from giving you any truth or wisdom other than because they care.
Internet is simply entertainment at this point.
I agree with you mostly, but I don’t think it’s about guidance or trust, just esteem in my eyes.
Also I was very disappointed in his later take saying that he shouldn’t have any responsibility to reach out and pay the rights-holders for videos he reacts to unless there’s a system in place. So if there’s no system, it’s totally morally okay to steal because paying would take a bit of work- that is deplorable to me.
It’s a symbiotic relationship. Without the content, who the fuck would watch XQC? The actual value comes from the content that the streamer is reacting to. You can’t diminish one or the other. Without content that someone else created, what the hell would streamers do? Jerk off live on air?
It’s weird because Aba N Preach’s react videos are morally, legally transformative.
1. They provide much of their own content/criticism
2. Use about 10-30% of the video they react to
3. They “used to” provide links to the original content in their descriptions
Aba is a pseudointellectual
Props to Destiny for understanding XQC's Russian cursive speaking.
Is iit not French?
@@projectRaMan A french speaking Russian in cursive might be it
Ethan is going to destroy xqc especially as he was the one who went to court for it.
My seven year old nephew could destroy him in a debate. Ethan will walk all over him.
And won…..
Dude gets informed that saying “should I care?” when asked if he knows someone is rude as hell. His response his “I have higher goals than caring if people think I’m rude.” What are his higher goals for not being a prick? Who knows?
MAKING MONEY BABY, LET ME JUST REACT AND LEAVE ME THE FUCK ALONE
lol He's so awesome lol. I'm sorry you care so much about what others think of you.
X is unbearable here. I was glad destiny said something about that particular response but he was limp dicked the whole time while x acted a dumbass and forwarded zero points of interest
Fr. He's just slow because if he didn't care he wouldn't have asked. Now he created an initial bad impression. Probably that money going to his head.
@@Sweatersithhow old are you
Streamers who react to content right away are my favourite first responders. They’re the real heroes.
August, you can't lure people with ice cream and surprise them with a trash sandwich after. Yes, I am a certified Q hater.
Q is the worst thing to happen to Destiny content. I know that sounds hyperbolic considering he has Farha on sometimes but somehow Q is actually worse.
How can you be surprised? I ask for two reasons, one - Q is in the intro, and two - Q inserts himself into every fucking conversation
I need to know the name of this game destiny is playing pleasw 😢
I love q and the fact he triggers y’all
Q is literally the best
Holy shit, what an intro. Dude if the full version of this is even half as good as that intro then we have a certified banger on our hands.
This is the first time in a long time I’m going to be rooting for H3H3.
The thing that makes me hate XQC most, is not all the selfish and moronic stuff he does, but how everybody else treats him like a child who doesn't know better.
It's madding how supposed adults, including Destiny, ignore all his crap behaviour and attitude because they don't want to upset the man-child with the big audience. Anybody else acted like him, they would most likely get a blackeye(in a videogame) from most people.
True, but also he is entertaining. It's not just because he has a big audience, I actually think Destiny and other streamers kinda like the chaotic energy in short bursts. He might be too hyperactive sometimes, but that's wayyy better than people being slimy IMO.
@@handsomelyditto4215 kai cenat literally started a riot yesterday, and you want to say a mentally unstable idiot with an army of 12-year-olds at his disposal isn't a problem.
Adults don't punch some nerd because his brain is fried by adhd and the internet. Stop acting like you touch grass
Damn xQc is actually suffering from chronic brainrot
Wow, never thought Aba would out himself as a coward with no backbone. Usually his takes are more level headed
There's no way xcq would pay a movie company $100k to be allowed to react to their movie that's such cap
The argument isn't that it's harmful to RUclipsrs for Streamers to just watch their full videos without transforming it, it's that it's morally wrong to do so because it violates their intellectual property. To use an analogy it's like the difference between buying art and buying art for commercial use, or a more nerdy analogy would be buying a 3d model vs selling a printed version of that 3d model
well i think its honestly both, point one is that it is harmful and second like you said uts morally disingenuous
Intellectual property is gay
Why is it wrong to violate intellectual property?
@@MrNikeNickewhy is it wrong to violate non-intellectual property?
People seem to think that its a clear cut case whether intellectual property is good or not, its application is mosty good since it protects creators, that protection could be bad in some cases tho. Its like saying you shouldnt lie, not lying has a lot of benefits, but there are cases where those benefits dont exist or are outweighed, so not lying isn't inherently always good, same as intellectual property, if the benefits dont exist in some specific case or they're outweighed than it should be violated.
Does it matter if people watch it for sniperwolfs reactions, if her reactions aren't transformative? Her having an audience can't be enough to determine that her reactions are in fact transformative
Omg hers is the worst, she literally just reads the titles and tells what is happening as the video is played. It’s brain melting
This is the issue is this . We had a friend who wouldnt pay in for a taxi because we was getting a taxi anyway but the truth is your still profiting on someone elses work.
This is the xqc thought thats there no net loss because no one was going to use that spare seat anyway. However someone still had to pay for the content your reacting to so monetary value is still probably owed.
To summarize xqc's take here is "I don't care get fucked, I want to do it cuz it makes me money"
Does xQc even realize Ethan has won two copyright lawsuits? If Felix tries to pull that "well what ratio really constitutes transformative content" Ethan can just say that would be up to an individual judge to decide and cite his own cases as examples
It seems like the only people who don't care about having their content freebooted and reuploaded are a) people who make their money doing it b) are already millionaires
Hmm interesting as if wealth clouds judgment & leads to poor decision making.
How would Xqc feel if shirts with his face and logos were being sold at Walmart, and eventually shirts with shit emojis and his face on them and basically saying he’s shit tier content. How would he feel about that? It’s the same as taking a video he’s not interested in, shitting on it, and then basicallly ruining impressions and limiting the growth that video could have created.
It's like... if nobody created videos to react to, XQC wouldn't be able to deliver any react content. He could hypothetically pay other creators to create content for him to react to, but then those creators would be getting paid. There has to be some value to the fact that someone sat there and made something unique to react to in the first place.
Xqc is a degenerate zoomer who clearly does not care. But he's right in saying there needs to be some statistical evidence it's bad
The easiest way out of this whole argument is resizing your cam and window so that the content to which you’re reacting is
xqc is the most unintelligent millionaire i know of. In some way its impressive lol
It's horrifying to think Quixotic was perhaps more chill than XQC here. XQC can't go five minutes without saying something deeply insane and unlikable.
You wouldn't steal a car
You wouldn't steal a handbag
You wouldn't steal a television
You wouldn't steal a movie
React streaming is stealing,
stealing is against the law,
STREAMING. IT'S A CRIME
I wouldn't say that react streaming is stealing if it's properly transformative. Otherwise, it is most definitely theft of intellectual property.
I never thought there would be a day that I’d be agreeing with Pissco and Q.
Xqc calling anyone 'not knowledgable'
He's not an idiot let's be real. He just doesn't speak English well. I hate this kind of criticism just because he can't speak English well
@@RIP_ZYZZ1738he does have some outlandish takes, fucked accent or not
@@emelgizzybruh2058 I can't think of an outlandish take that isn't about something irrelevant or trivial. At least not in recent memory
God himself could descend from heaven and proclaim that xQc is right, but that still wouldn't change a thing about the optics _black hole_ that he decided to hurl himself into...
destiny looks pretty shitty on this topic too even if he's factually right that reacts dont create harm morally its still a horrible position to hold making money off of someone elses work will always look like an L
Aba walks in to say dogshit things, but is still very wholesome
I'm honestly surprised Ava would be defending xQc here. Part of me hopes he's just playing Devil's Advocate since xQc talks like a stuttering toddler.
at this point I think we need to make twitch streams of streamers vods, and then we have this conversation again.
2:30 Ethan literally did what both you were talking about and got evidence, even if it’s bad faith stats cause we know one data set isn’t enough he came out on top
xQc was way too emotional throughout this debate and the more emotional he got, the more it made the other guy look correct
The other guy being correct is what made him look correct
@@WhiteJeezuslol I was thinking the same....one could be emotional and still make great arguments.
Xqc just doesn't understand logic. He can't follow any argument and jumps to whatever he feels like and that's what makes him sound dumb af
I too am saddened that xgc's voice quivers, for I am but an animal that listen to my owners voice to discern my state of being.
"Like Jon Zherka on two books" killed me.
If from what I’ve seen of the preview is called an “intellectual debate”, then I’m better off watching WWE wrestlers smack talk each other
Cool to see the fast man vs the long man
XQC and Q in a video? Fucking kill me
x saying "Your argument isn't even worth it" is one of the funniest shut downs I've seen in a debate
This just reminds me of when video rental stores popped up. At first, it was the store buying 1 vhs and renting it. Then the companies charged the rental stores 100 or more dollars to carry that single vhs rental because they believed they were losing the profit of multiple people buying the corresponding vhs tape. Now look where we are. Is it better or worse? I'm not so sure it's either.