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Destiny, when you (or your editor) post your videos, could you put a link to which game you're playing? A link to the steam store page or whatever? Even if it's an affiliate link. Not from an outraged perspective, of wanting you to credit the creators. More because I often see you're playing fun games and I'm never able to track them down to try it for myself.
What about choice? This guy's position assumes harm to be the test of entitlement, which is nonsense. If I don't like the guy and enjoy acting spitefully I'm free to do so. If I don't want to be associated with him, if I see a potential for harm I want to avoid, if I'm an asshole or an idiot or have any reason I chose or chose not to disclose, it's my property.
XQC: [in response to those that spend hours making content] "They can suck my balls" XQC: [in response to those same people enforcing their rights] "That's a little harsh"
@charleysimmons427 RUclipsrs said that the function of claiming and taking the revenue is something only large creators or studios have access to at most they can strike down the video.
xqvc: "i have like 7 houses, but i dont like any of them" [im not fulfilled/happy] really in touch person who steals other peoples stuff to make money when he actually doesnt have to
@@chrisjohnson-tn3gland he had the audacity to say that people shouldn't complain about him uploading their content because they're bigger channels than him....like he's a super small channel...meanwhile he has 2.1 million subscribers.
Ethan klein probably knows more about fair use than anyone in the streaming space, I think he understands how abuse of fair use could lump shitty streamer reactions into the same boat as actually transformative content. Which would suck
@@SIX598 ethan is actually able to have decent takes some of the time, the big problem appears to be that ethan is heavily audience captured and some of his crew members also influence his thoughts from time to time. A good example is ethan talking about the jonah hill situation, he started off by saying that it wasn't that big of a deal and that leaking the messages was a big much, but his audience and crew slowly pushed him into saying jonah hill is an abuser misogynist by the end.
I love it when Ethan says “That’s wrong” Hasan responds with “Yeah it is wrong” Then Ethan says “But you just said you do that” Then Hasan replies “Yeah I do it all the time”
After the Adept situation, which is still pretty much ongoing, it just seems like he's always on edge. Feels like the he thinks everybody is out to get him, even going as far as to lash out at Destiny who is being extremely lenient with him.
Hes fucking slipping. Ive lost my footing and gone full on manic twice and it looks exactly like this. Just bouncing between shitting on yourself mercilessly,, getting wired as fuck, inflating your huge fragile ego and being generally self destructive and alienating all your friends. If you see your homie go on the retard rollercoaster do not hesitate to block them immediately and save them the embarrassment. Tell them to get their shit together when theyre sober. The godamn vegas thing is acting out, its the most obvious cry for help.
Only a man like Destiny with his god tier patience can endure and host a conversation like this. Less than 10 minutes I'm with xqc's "debate with Destiny and I already wanna blow my brains out
I think it’s also about expertise : Ethan knows a lot about fair use, and reactions, because that’s what his old channel was, and what his first lawsuit was about. Ethan outside that topic is real hit-or-miss cuz he’s just uninformed af sometimes
@@Sprite_525 hate him or love him, ethan was the first one to put his money where his mouth was costing him hundreds of thousands eventually a million plus to defend that chair. To go from vape naish yall, to 100K plus in court to defend a joke is pretty wild NGL when he could have easily just deleted the video
@@p0k3mn1 I would say XQC and Hasan are more like frenemies because they have collabed and been in drama together multiple times, and their fanbases despise each other.
@@zigmundo i always thought he was annoying. idk how so many people like watching him. some clips i seen of some funny videogame playing but thats about it
I thought were getting hasan content and i skip through the timeline to see nothing but the caffeine person struggle to speak for 3 hours. This is low grade terrorism
He WAS one of the best and most funniest RUclipsrs on the platform. He just stopped making original content, I’m glad we get to see glimpses of the funny Ethan still, I thought he was a lost hope
Ethan was once a video creator. He knows the effort it goes into making something and how it would feel to have it taken from you. Hasan and XQC have never created anything worthwhile in their lives 😂.
@@chrisjohnson-tn3gl are you really askkng why a successful business hires more employees? Ethan has a wife and family, youtube is not his sole focus in life and yet he is in another golden era of content, unlike XQC. Ethan is getting constant Ws lately, putting out great content, gaining subs, and is healthier physically and mentally than in a long time.
@@chrisjohnson-tn3glhe has a producer who handles the tech side and is kinda like a co host. A couple people who do research considering they do four 3+ hour episodes a week. There's a camera switcher. There's someone who runs the sound board dropping the soundbites. There's someone who is good with graphics and photoshop he'll create memes and graphics live to share on the show. Then theres someone that does props when they do like skits, challenges, and games.
After listening to xqc talk for more than 10 minutes I've come to the conclusion that his lack of reactions on content is probably the best he can do. Can't get much juice out of an empty cup.
@@nightshade71986 lol yeah exactly, insecure about what? He's watching their videos so obviously they're worth watching... It's almost exhausting thinking about disputing anything he says because it leads you down an endless road because eveything that comes out of his mouth is so dumb...
@@Wallabm7091Exactly, I'm shocked that he has no capabilities to even explore a hypothetical. I understand when people start calling you things and telling you you're a thief...you might get defensive and may not present a great argument. Here, he can't even answer a question about this stuff without becoming defensive over nothing and just saying he doesn't care and then some incomprehensible shit. He came off in a bad light to me here. He's also whining about people preparing...he should have done some of that himself.
It blows my mind. I can watch Chenk, Alex Jones, or Glenn Beck; disagree with their points but I understand why people watch them. Hassan????? Who after watching this clip can see any kind of brain activity worth watching??? He has no spine. He sounds like a middle school drop out with F tier takes.
@@lancevance6346 okey calm down i dont belive you are a 3rd world citizen cause the if you are you would know the average salary of some one from syria ( where im from ) is fucking 70 dollar a month and some one from jordan or lebanon is at most 200 dollar and even egybt is around 300 dollar and most games cost like 40 to 60 dollar so absolutely its not just kids who cant Offord games in a 3rd world country are you crazy
@@lancevance6346yep especially since he's doing it to sound humble and like he came from a poor family while we all know thar's not the case. Gotta farm those socialists
I would bet money that Ethan was fully aware that Hasan does content that is *almost identical* to the type that xQc does, and him going so hard on xQc was him vicariously attacking Hasan/trying to bait him into either biting the bullet *OR* saying he'd change his policy on allowing clip channels to run rampant.
Do you know why ethan hates xqc and not hasan since they do very similar things. This is my first time seeing ethan hates xqc but I also don’t follow his content
@@pat9529 ethan generally doesn't like xqc for gambling stuff and also some other minor dramas where he didn't like xqc's take or smth, but mainly just gambling
You would lose your money. Ethan has a 2 full time jobs with a wife and 2 kids. I doubt if he watches much of other people's content. Even destiny doesn't have time to watch content and he has half the responsibilities of Ethan. Being an online person is really rare even for content creators.
Ethan allows his fans etc to upload his videos as well tho. As long as they edits that add value to the video and if it’s uploaded after Ethan has uploaded his video completely he doesn’t care. He’s all for his community making money off this content as long as it is decently edited.
xqc is treating these discussions like its his game and he can just outscream and gaslight his chat into thinking nothing is his fault. He simply cant engage and is so ready to disagree.
there is literally no problem to what he does if he gets permission to upload it to youtube. Watching on twitch is no issue even without permission, it's the uploading part that cannabalizes views.
@@mindblown8290 it isnt really that, bro's demeanor is just so offputting. He's acting like a edgy 16 year old redditor calling other people insecure when he is the most mentally unstable man I've ever seen.
@@mindblown8290The double dipping is the especially ridiculous part. Why makes it even *more* scummy is using the exact same metadata in an attempt to come first in the algorithm. F*** XqC. Dude can barely string together a sentence anyway.
It's crazy how I've completely gone away from being an H3 fan and have grown to dislike ethan a bit, but every now and then I'm reminded of the golden days that the dude is funny af 🤣
@@fernandodolz9247 the ethan hate train is just cool right now. i honestly dont understand. he is pretty dumb but just dont watch? people got too much energy nowadays.
@@hotlinewavI prefer an Ethan to a pseudo-intellectual that tries to pass themselves off as some sort of authority on literally anything. Lol. Ethan’s a jackass and has made a lot of dumb moves, said a lot of dumb things, but I don’t find him to be a *bad* dude. He’s contributed a lot more than many to this cesspool of a platform.
Something something persistence, dudes making a family online while not abusing them for content, has 20 plus employees was the first one to put his money where his mouth was defending A stupid joke when he could have just deleted it resulting in precedent for all future youtubers To pull off his wife has done some incredible things with teddy fresh and from what I've seen, if you talk about famous closed designers she easily could fit into the group of some of the most influential in that space lol Damn voice to text always turns out to be a novel lol Pretty dope
How is this still a discussion? lol he literally leaves the room while the video is playing and offers no commentary whatsoever and still defends the position? come on now, its lazy and he knows it
@@Zomgnomnom1 i mean thats fair but considering that yall are viewers of destiny i would hope that u guys have the ability analyze an argument regardless of how seemingly convincing it is. If your ears are capable of hearing then u should recognize that through all the very shitty english and fast talking, the claims xqc makes as well as the evidence and reasoning he supports them with are fine on their own and usually quite sound.
If this is CA: Civil war to you, you should have seen some of those old trainwrecks podcasts. You got like Destiny, X, Pokimane, Train, Amouranth, T pain , Poke, Hasan, and then some top tier athlete for some reason on the same podcast.
What’s specifically not commendable about Hasan being such a coward in speaking his mind is he’s a grown man and millionaire, and watching someone back down from Ethan is peak comedy. He makes his insecurities so visible and it’s gag worthy.
@@Kool212 Ofc, it’s just still a face palming sight to see a rich grown man suck up to stay on good terms with someone to maintain his clout/money gain.
I don't watch the guy, but I've never heard him express a remotely defensible position or show any amount of depth, but apparently he's smart enough to recognize it.
"Im not actually walking away for an extended amount of time but what're you suppose to do if there's an emergency" I watched Hasan's lemmino react. He gets up for 10 minutes and then takes his dog for a walk 😂 what is the point of lying this blatantly
I appreciate the editing in this video in how it emphasizes Destiny’s reactions when they happen and then reverts to the original video. I’ve always zoomed in on RUclips videos to catch both face cams and this was a nice touch in terms of editing.
The Hasan getting up while playing videos for stream thing is just so absurd by how simple it is to "solve." Literally just pause the video and throw up a "brb" graphic if you need to, like every other streamer I've seen does. Yet he constantly acts like people criticizing him are telling him to stay glued to his streaming chair all day and just die if necessary. Yet he's the only streamer I've ever seen do this behaviour, and I've seen other streamers have genuine emergencies and handle it better than him who's just cooking in the other room (though I guess to be fair, those other streamers aren't doing anything as lazy as just watching other people's content and streaming that).
He said on the podcast that it was because stopping the video would "make the content shit." I imagine he thinks that he will lose viewers if he pauses the video and walks away. And he'd be right to think so.
It's hilarious the entitlement of xQc being like "I'm taking a risk that this video I'm stealing without any permission and without even having vetted in advance might not be good", and he thinks that's a good point. Like fucking hell dude, even those pages that just steal memes from Reddit at least can say they're "curating" by only sharing them if they're funny. So much defense from the react thieves presumes that they're just entitled to be able to stream 10+ hours of good content that they didn't make every day. They think it's unthinkably unfair that they should possibly have to just not stream for some amount of time so they can even just prepare what videos to show, or what they want to say in response, or even that they can just turn off the stream for a while so they can take a shit and walk the dog or get some food. The idea that they could spend just a small part of their day not monetised doesn't even occur to them.
Xqc is the braindead one based on this conversation. Literally hasn't applied any critical thought until he had someone carefully walk him through how to formulate said thoughts
@@id1550 In most cases, watching a RUclips Video on stream, with minimal reactions, is like watching a movie or tv show on stream with minimal reaction (without consent of the copyright holder obviously). You deprive the copyright holder of the content from potential revenue. The copyright holder can sue you for these damages. (Just because the average RUclipsr has less judicial leverage compared to a movie production company does not make it legal.)
@@liliputiense7956 Are there any statistics done by any RUclipsrs as to whether or not reaction videos negatively effect the views of their videos? In one of Destiny’s videos, in the intro, there was the guy talking about how his videos were not negatively effected by react channels, even by one who got more views than him. The ratio remained the same, and made sense. A much bigger channel probably will get more views on their reaction than the op, but what matters is the ratio. Obviously we need other RUclipsrs to study how streamers reactions effect their video’s but I don’t think that even not putting any input would negatively effect a RUclipsr in any way.
The more I listen to xQc talk about this stuff, the more I think RUclipsrs SHOULD DMCA streamers. I'm not surprised by anything he says since he reacts to actual TV/ Movies, but he is the biggest proof period that react content is theft. This guy is so entitled it's insane.
@@goodtakesonly3899it's definitely market usurpation though, because if they upload the whole damn video unedited there's no longer a reason to watch the original video.
@@MisterMosfet yeah the problem with that is you're not considering the odds that the person watching the react content would've watched the original content on their own
@@wingusdingus4958 if i get paid from selling a book that isn't mine but i sell it to someone who was never going to read it if i didn't sell it to them, i see no moral issue there is no loss for the original creator, if there is loss for the original creator then i completely change my stance however i do not believe to be the case considering that its doesn't seem as likely as people assume that if someone hadn't seen a reaction video they would've seen the original and those views would've ended up going to the original creator.
xQc calling RUclipsr's who put a lot of time and effort into videos "insecure" when they don't like their videos ripped and reacted to, encapsulates how uncreative he is as a person. I like xQc, but making high quality content takes a lot of time; streaming and reacting do not require nearly as much effort or skillset.
@@DelgaDudeironically painting him as more insecure than anything lmao. Only insecure people constantly think others are jealous of them, and use that to “dunk” on them
@@qwertyasdf4081 I agree but I also feel like he is mentally fucked from all that Adept shit making him feel insecure since the person who he probably trusted the most liked him only for his fame/money apparently.
This video was wild. Destiny went from making fun of Hasan about how he was just agreeing with Ethan and providing no argument or pushback to doing the same with X. Ethan and X's stances are opposed and Destiny should have been able to make a good argument against what X is doing, but fails to do this because of what I can only assume is being too afraid to upset X on this take. My two cents.
Destiny's stance has been crystal clear since this all blew up. He doesn't think react streamers hurt RUclips channels. He agreed with x here because he agrees with x, not because he's scared to disagree. Destiny is notorious for burning bridges because he disagrees with people, and has been for his entire career. I sincerely doubt he just randomly had a change of heart here, especially considering he and x haven't even been interacting much at all in the last year or two. He made fun of Hasan for meekly agreeing with Ethan because Hasan doesn't actually agree, he's just scared of losing clout if he burns bridges. Destiny doesn't agree with Ethan, he just enjoys watching Hasan try to squirm his way out of having any actual opinions.
Just recently x had a talk with doctor K, I think Destiny had some part to play. Hasan is a spoiled child, x is unstable. Spoiled children need raising, Unstable people need care.
U coulda flipped xqc's argument back on him because react streamers say the viewers watch it for their reactions. If he loses a bunch of viewers when playing a boring video, then that means those viewers were just there for the other persons content
@@RAHHHRAHHH-en8mdnot true at all little kid, Ethan is one of the biggest f**king idiots on the internet. Destiny doesn’t even agree with any of his takes here
I applaud destiny for trying to make xqc talk coherently and actually succeed to some degree. I did need to turn on automatic closed captions to understand xqc talking (I still missed about 10-15% of what he was saying despite that), but while I still dislike him, I can now get a grasp on some of his values.
If X is right its entirely by accident lmao. I dont actually believe that even if there was a concrete point to be made against react channels he would care. Hes not arguing from ethics he just wants to continue "reacting" lol bro said "tell me how right i am" aka "give me arguments cause idk why im correct but i totally am"
@tumultoustortellini you could be right but the graphs Ive seen show no noticeable differences. Im not holding it against him that hes not the most articulate its just even after translating the muck he still isnt really adding to the convo in any productive way hes just defending himself blindly with whatever point is on his side. It seems that way to me anyways.
@@tumultoustortellini Yeah a small, tiny bump which would be a hundred times bigger if, instead, it was posted on a subreddit that has people that are interested in that topic.
Losing braincells just listening to Xqc speak. Talks about insecurities while exhibiting several signs himself. Malding hard af because people are making him look stupid, because he know he is and is trying to project a different image. Yikes. Edit: Damn Destiny's comment about about X on his last "1st class flight" really triggered him. Mental state of a 12 yo 😂
This was so confusing at first, all these people in little boxes talking about different things and then a video game in the center. I'm cheering for the blue guy anyways, he seems like he might win whatever this is
I dont agree with xqc at all in this. He claims that the opposition is too emotionally involved and soyboy about it when he is literally doing that exact thing. The reason why lazy react content is bad is because if it keeps being profitable with zero risk whatsoever, it incentivizes react content over creating original content in the first place. We should be incentivizing and supporting the original content as much as possible, yet people prefer to watch the version of that same video with a square facecam in the top left and financially support that instead. The way that the react meta works is that there can only be so many reactors at one time, because if everyone would become a react andy, there would be no content to react to. There is always somebody putting in hours, weeks, or months of work for less compensation than the guy who spent an hour or two watching and eating his doordashed lunch.
That's up to the audience to decide which gets more popular if people don't want to watch original content and only want to watch it if their favorite streamer is involved then that's how it goes. I don't know we should punish or get angry at xqc just because alot of people don't want to watch original content as is or just because he is lazy.
But that's to say that streamers strictly benefit and long-form content creators strictly don't. There is absolutely proof that streamers and reaction in general give views and attention to the original content creator. Reactors (atleast when proper credit and linming is done to the original creator) exist less like a thief and more like a signal boost. Less parasitic and more mutualism.
I always love these Destiny/XQC therapy sessions. This video reminds me of 2020 (or earlier?) when XQC would hop into Destiny's discord when he finished streaming and they would just chat about life.
when this duo came about I thought Ethan would be the spineless yesman of the two who is way too opinionated for his knowledge but it ended up being NepoHasan ☠
Idk why people defend these streamers making millions of reacting to other peoples content with minimal to no actual input. It shouldn't be a thing. If u can't fill your 12 hour stream with your own content... just don't stream for 12 hours. I agree with Ethan 100% that people should start using DMCA claims more often for shit like this but I also understand there is a huge stigma behind doing that and fear of a reputation hit that could follow despite them being fully in the right.
@@aweshumandyI’ve seen you in more than 5 comments trying to defend Hasan’s honor. Please go somewhere else where they’ll appreciate the knob gobbling.
@@aweshumandyif your "reaction" is just eat, drink, fart and picking nose for 1hr then no. That's not transformative content. That would be just broadcast someone else's content and profiting out of it.
I watched this live because I am a H3H3 fan and it was crazy to see so many people in the chat saying Ethan was being crazy for his comments towards hasan. Ethan is just looking out for him so he won’t get sued one day.
As someone who doesn’t like Ethan much i respect him for this. Watching Hasan dance around while Ethan just cut straight through the bullshit was hilarious. Ethan clearly has an actual principled position on this topic and Hasan obviously just wants to espouse fake virtue while making money off of other people’s work.
That chat is cancer. There’s a really toxic part of the h3 fan base that literally can’t even handle watching people simply disagree without losing their minds and thinking it’s a terrible thing 😂 Hasan needed to be called out and Ethan actually did it how a real friend should. He didn’t coddle Hasan and he shouldn’t. It was wild to see some of the h3 comments and chat say Ethan went goblin mode and was being too mean, those people are gonna have such a hard time detaching from the computer and dealing with the real world 😂
@@liliputiense7956I am sure some of it are hasans fans, but h3 has always had a group of super toxic fans that lose their minds about everything and have for years. They constantly try to stir up drama it’s wild 😂
Never would I have expected Ethan of all people to be the one to absolutely roast Hasan & hold his feet to the fire. What a trip. Dude's sooo spineless it's actually mind-boggling that he made it this far. But that's nepo-babies for ya, I guess. And it's so funny how Destiny's become this sorta de facto diplomat between streamers and RUclipsrs. Ya love to see it. D & X should do more stuff together, honestly, they're just such a funny combo.
How is it possible to understand that if you use a musicians music without their permission it's obviously wrong, but using someone else's video content is an ethical gray area?
Because those musicians have publishers with a lot of money that will reliably go after them legally whereas the youtube content creators are small time solo run operations most of the time. These streamers are just like spoiled kids that desperately need a spanking.
xQc being the biggest streamer in the world by stealing others content and then being offered a megadeal by a gambling fueled platform/company is really a sign of our time...
I am so glad this came to a head! Ethan may be a dolt on most things. But he is the arbiter of youtube fair use and knows his shit because of the several year long legal battle with Matt Hoss. i cant believe it took him this long to realize his cohost was skirting the line of fair use and has been for years.
I'm not certain he "realized" anything here. He's pretty much entirely driven by popular opinion of what is offensive and what isn't. The controversy has made it popular to shit on Hasan, Ethan's just going with the wind like he always does.
Idk if lemmino commented on this or not but it's pretty funny to imagine him waking up and hearing that everyone is talking about his video only to find out it's twitter drama
I have never been able to figure out why xQc is so popular. He's not even remotely charismatic when he's being braindead like wtf. Edit: and now I just got to the part where he had a message on his phone from Ethan but wouldn't open it because he didn't want to stop his game so was instead asking Destiny to contact Ethan... what an actual piece of crap.
@@Substantial-hf1rmAnd Hasan will get alot of short term fans or casual fans who don't see the full picture of how much of a grifter he is. He built his political image carefully that way
I think it sucks that ppl with bad ideas have to be confronted with opposing arguments online in the most hostile way. Like Xqc is clearly coping and being entitled with arguments like “I’m taking a risk the video I’m streaming without permission might be bad” but also most people would be overly defensive if something they did daily for years was suddenly being called initial and shitty by thousands of strangers online. Idk I just wish we had a way to pull people out of bad ideas or habits that was more gentle and actually conducive to growth. Mass hating ppl in the wrong online is fun but I rarely if ever think it’s actually the most constructive.
Tbh xqc has bad arguments here. He’s arguing this bc it’s his bread n butter. I don’t feel like xqc bring much unique content at all. It’s obviously kind of snakey to use other people’s hard work to profit off of. But then again, not every streamer is a content creator. Viewers should reward the content creators with their views more so than streamers
Why does Hassan think it's other creator's responsibility to entertain his audience while he walks out to go the washroom, or get something to eat? His "what do we do, when we step out" attitude is bonkers. Stepping out doesn't give you the right to utilize others work to entertain your audience.
Yeah, it's honestly baffling. What is wrong with just taking a break? The "content" can be "awful" for a couple minutes. It's not the end of the world. He's so fucking weird about this.
I like Hasan but he's clearly choosing not to lose viewers during those moments. if you just pause it, some people will lose focus and do something else (ADHD brains)
And then he uploads the video to his channel and doesn't give half of the earnings to the guy who made the video he just watched. When he gets criticism for it, he rants unhinged about ppl calling him a champagne socialist (which he is), like bruh.
If you don't even want to stake out a moral position on this topic but continue to do it, it's clear that you're maintaining a status quo of doing none of the work but reaping all of the benefits.
@@StonedEmoKid Theft is different from something like Rape and Murder, in that Sense it’s definitely up to the two parties. With the other two you don’t need the victims to tell you to press charges. You’re doing nothing here but farming clout off a problem that doesn’t exist. XQC brings alot more viewership than almost anyone he watches.
@@OBsurdityTV Nobody can make a good faith argument that xQc's "reaction" to the JFK doc falls under fair use. Which would mean he needs explicit permission by the creator to use it. If it's not blatant theft, can you show me those receipts? *Narrator*: "He could not." You can accuse me of whatever you want, but I feel very genuinely that stealing somebody's labor is scummy AF.
I will never understand this debate the way I see it. RUclipsrs argument: Please don’t upload our entire videos with no reaction because I have worked weeks, days, hours on theses videos. I lose revenue and views with no foreseeable tangible benefit. You also massively profit from work that you didn’t put in. Streamers argument: But I want too! 😖
@@nikker1 Yeah it’s ridiculous, it’s like someone stealing a candy bar from a gas station. Then when they get caught making the gas station clerk prove that it was going to be bought in the first place. It’s like how about you just don’t steal?
How any Hasan fans watch this and then still be proud to be Hasan fans and defend him on his actions in regards to this stuff is amazing. It's like watching an actual circus full of clowns.
Too bad ,in hasans universe there is no word called "destiny" while destiny being quite small streamer chant five times hasans name to gain some clout.
@@GAMEOVER-yy6zj Hasan fans sound like broken records. It’s all clout and popularity with you kids. I swear y’all are like 12-14 years old and cannot think of anything better to say.
54:50 Xqc is just projecting, he's the insecure one. He's the one who started "malding" and throwing insults after Muta calmly explained his side, and xqc is the on getting angry and up in his feelings about all of this lol.
All I could think of when I first saw Ethan straight up tell Hasan that he doesn't have permission to just walk away from his videos was "Oooooo get him! Get him! Remind him you went to court over fair use! Bring back that old Ethan Klein we all liked!" It's also (not) astonishing to see how spineless Hasan is.
Guys, what are you supposed to do if there is an emergency? Like imagine your mom isnt home to cook your tendies and you are streaming from your mansion. There is just no other way!!
I like how Destiny first said he has 30 minutes to prep for a debate so he has to go soon, then he promptly didn't do the research, then didn't do the debate, and instead chose to farm XQC content for another 2 hours. Based. Get that bag.
The irony of destiny just basically re-uploading Ethan's stream and not adding anything other than laughing and saying "based" every five minutes. I guess he didnt learn anything from his talk with MauLer
Said this in another comment lmao, reacting to something by just laughing or giggling every 5 minutes is not transformative use of content. But literally everyone online is a hypocrite for this so pointing fingers at other's saying they're 'the worst' is really funny.
Thanks Destiny, you almost gave me a brain aneurism listening to Hassan tap dance around questions. Idk how he plans to "subsidize the entire industry if there is not control over IP. Hes literally playing into the dumb spoiled socialist stereotype where he thinks every issue should just be solved by throwing more money at it.
"Idk how he plans to "subsidize the entire industry if there is not control over IP" By removing the profit motive, hence the subsidy. He'd eliminate ownership entirely so long as his ideas remain a fantasy and don't threaten his merch income.
@coollambo7926 But why would I want to let you steal my IP anyway? It's still theft but with no consequence because you assume people wouldn't still care because of a free check. I'd feel some type of way if I worked on 30 or 60 minute video and got less views on it because Hasan just played it on stream to make everyone feel like they're just in a movie theater. At that point, none of the work you did would reflect in any of your metrics or engagement regardless of any subsidies. Let's Players objectively (on average) add more to the content they play than Hasan does to what he watches most of the time.
I really can’t fathom why XQC is worth $100 million. I can’t understand a word of it - and I’m actually one of the few people who knows what he’s saying. But even though I know what he’s saying, the content of his speech escapes me. He’s like a living bot.
The crazy thing, as someone who has worked in the gaming industry for over a decade, the whole streaming games online and making money off it could end literally tomorrow. You are not guaranteed the ability to do it, it's more of an agreement with the industry than a law saying you can. Case in point, nintendo.
Ethan calls out and debates Hasan AGAIN ►ruclips.net/video/gI-krVLM5G8/видео.html
MauLer Shows Destiny The Hasan vs Jay Exci Controversy ►ruclips.net/video/PxTmFjnf534/видео.html
Debate w/ RUclipsrs Angry At xQc And Hasan ►ruclips.net/video/bIjYIMNqS3A/видео.html
xQc debates Ethan ►ruclips.net/video/lIlYC5QeBZU/видео.html
Destiny, when you (or your editor) post your videos, could you put a link to which game you're playing?
A link to the steam store page or whatever? Even if it's an affiliate link.
Not from an outraged perspective, of wanting you to credit the creators. More because I often see you're playing fun games and I'm never able to track them down to try it for myself.
What about choice? This guy's position assumes harm to be the test of entitlement, which is nonsense. If I don't like the guy and enjoy acting spitefully I'm free to do so. If I don't want to be associated with him, if I see a potential for harm I want to avoid, if I'm an asshole or an idiot or have any reason I chose or chose not to disclose, it's my property.
😂😂😂😂Another discount Tim Pool show.
Be sure to rename the 2nd part of the "XQC and Destiny circle-jerk together", not "XQC and Destiny debate
@@edswangren6479great point!
"The downside (for me) of me stealing other people's content is that their content might be shit" -xQc, a true genius of our time.
I still don't get how this guy is so popular with the way he talks.
@@Kuroganemk2 bc key audience is 12yos is my only guess.
Pretty based lol
Piracy is also a good deed, maybe at some point you guys also get the need of streamers for small or big content creators.
@@Kuroganemk2for every actual person on the internet, there’s thousands of bots and children.
Destiny: "Ok, give me your full take"
xQc: "They're wrong"
Great work
wrong
Holy
Destiny: “What do you disagree with”
xQc: “Everything. Every single point”
Destiny: “What about this one”
xQc: “Well, maybe not that one”
@adamyo9003 I love that part, xqc malfunctioned for a moment, trying to formulate a sentence lol
What xQc actually said was “hgtefjknhtdsw hgfrdwa fgjds gdrbnu”
XQC: [in response to those that spend hours making content] "They can suck my balls"
XQC: [in response to those same people enforcing their rights] "That's a little harsh"
fr id just claim the revanue for the video and personally contact xqc letting him know he can have 30% since it' a blatant reupload
@charleysimmons427 RUclipsrs said that the function of claiming and taking the revenue is something only large creators or studios have access to at most they can strike down the video.
damn thats stupid @@Teriria
xqvc: "i have like 7 houses, but i dont like any of them" [im not fulfilled/happy]
really in touch person who steals other peoples stuff to make money when he actually doesnt have to
@@chrisjohnson-tn3gland he had the audacity to say that people shouldn't complain about him uploading their content because they're bigger channels than him....like he's a super small channel...meanwhile he has 2.1 million subscribers.
Ethan klein probably knows more about fair use than anyone in the streaming space, I think he understands how abuse of fair use could lump shitty streamer reactions into the same boat as actually transformative content. Which would suck
And he’s always since the beginning made fun of reaction streamers, and himself gave an example of how you could make it transformative
Hassan being too spineless to disagree with H3 and watching him dodge and squirm is always top tier content.
Cope
@@TurtleChad1this is definitely hasans alt account
@@Skodenchiefit all make sense now
@@TurtleChad1ask your daddy Hasan to buy you lmao
@@FriedWycehe’s trolling he does this every comment section on every video
My conditional faith in Ethan is slowly being restored. Hasan being confronted to his face is a rare and precious sight.
I was thinking the samesss
Teddy Fresh is the only reason Ethan is having the normal take for once.
@@SIX598 ethan is actually able to have decent takes some of the time, the big problem appears to be that ethan is heavily audience captured and some of his crew members also influence his thoughts from time to time. A good example is ethan talking about the jonah hill situation, he started off by saying that it wasn't that big of a deal and that leaking the messages was a big much, but his audience and crew slowly pushed him into saying jonah hill is an abuser misogynist by the end.
lmfao "Faith in Ethan". If anything Ethan is doomed! He's completely lost and so is everyone who follow him.
This, and the memes lance posts are prime but lance himself is dogwater
I love it when Ethan says
“That’s wrong”
Hasan responds with
“Yeah it is wrong”
Then Ethan says
“But you just said you do that”
Then Hasan replies
“Yeah I do it all the time”
A beautiful example of trying to communicate via vibes hoping the audience and Ethan don't listen closely to the content
cognitive dissonance at its finest
Eating 2 donuts for dinner instead of a salad is something you can do even if you know it is wrong
Elder scrolls NPC conversation 😭
The patrick and man ray meme
I like how Destiny realized part way through the XQC convo that he just needed a mental health talk.
yeah hahhahaha
xWc is just adderrrooooolin
After the Adept situation, which is still pretty much ongoing, it just seems like he's always on edge. Feels like the he thinks everybody is out to get him, even going as far as to lash out at Destiny who is being extremely lenient with him.
Yeah it was really cool
Hes fucking slipping. Ive lost my footing and gone full on manic twice and it looks exactly like this.
Just bouncing between shitting on yourself mercilessly,, getting wired as fuck, inflating your huge fragile ego and being generally self destructive and alienating all your friends.
If you see your homie go on the retard rollercoaster do not hesitate to block them immediately and save them the embarrassment. Tell them to get their shit together when theyre sober.
The godamn vegas thing is acting out, its the most obvious cry for help.
Only a man like Destiny with his god tier patience can endure and host a conversation like this. Less than 10 minutes I'm with xqc's "debate with Destiny and I already wanna blow my brains out
Seek help
@@Ducks23 Why?
i kinda respect Ethan for being so blunt and just telling Hasan to his face.
I think it’s also about expertise : Ethan knows a lot about fair use, and reactions, because that’s what his old channel was, and what his first lawsuit was about. Ethan outside that topic is real hit-or-miss cuz he’s just uninformed af sometimes
Nvm the coward walked it back
Too bad he's already apologized for "going too hard".
@@Sprite_525 hate him or love him, ethan was the first one to put his money where his mouth was costing him hundreds of thousands eventually a million plus to defend that chair.
To go from vape naish yall, to 100K plus in court to defend a joke is pretty wild NGL when he could have easily just deleted the video
It was so funny when Ethan did the “who is he talking to” meme
The 4-way tension between Destiny, xQc, Ethan and Hasan based on their shared histories was just really fun to watch in this video
It was great.
Especially because they all absolutely suck ass.
Just in different ways and on different levels.
What's the issue between destiny and xqc?
@@Dracioarmagiaxqc is friends with both hassan and destiny
@@p0k3mn1 I would say XQC and Hasan are more like frenemies because they have collabed and been in drama together multiple times, and their fanbases despise each other.
xqc trying to sound tough and intimidating will never stop being funny
right up there with "xqc trying to sound intelligent"
And with “xQc trying to sound coherent”
@@patmacrotch5611that’s not even funny anymore it’s annoying lol
@@zigmundo i always thought he was annoying. idk how so many people like watching him. some clips i seen of some funny videogame playing but thats about it
@@ag3ntar7 seems like you found your answer in the exact same sentence lmao
xQc is truly an inspiration to mentally challenged people all over the world
lmaooo 😂
kinda mean but in essence kinda true ? Like ... who are the people who watches him ?
I thought were getting hasan content and i skip through the timeline to see nothing but the caffeine person struggle to speak for 3 hours. This is low grade terrorism
@@seanjenkins5505 As Hasan would say; you deserve that terrorism.
TRUE!
ngl ethan can be funny af sometimes 😭
He WAS one of the best and most funniest RUclipsrs on the platform. He just stopped making original content, I’m glad we get to see glimpses of the funny Ethan still, I thought he was a lost hope
@@CactusBranniganhe’s podcast is all original content it’s just he doesn’t make skit videos anymore but he still makes his own content
@@smoothduck7151 making his own content doesn't make the content "original". Yes it is "new" content but by no means would I call it "original"
Ethan was once a video creator. He knows the effort it goes into making something and how it would feel to have it taken from you. Hasan and XQC have never created anything worthwhile in their lives 😂.
"Once a video creator".. he hosts five podcasts a week lasting between 2-4 hours with a 8 person crew. He is still a video creator.
@@hexriskwhy does he need an 8 person crew if hes the one doing the heavy lifting? if he is doing the heavy lifting what are the other 8 people doing?
@@chrisjohnson-tn3gl are you really askkng why a successful business hires more employees? Ethan has a wife and family, youtube is not his sole focus in life and yet he is in another golden era of content, unlike XQC. Ethan is getting constant Ws lately, putting out great content, gaining subs, and is healthier physically and mentally than in a long time.
@@hexriskI’ve always been a huge fan of ethan, dude’s been a juggernaut for a long time
@@chrisjohnson-tn3glhe has a producer who handles the tech side and is kinda like a co host. A couple people who do research considering they do four 3+ hour episodes a week. There's a camera switcher. There's someone who runs the sound board dropping the soundbites. There's someone who is good with graphics and photoshop he'll create memes and graphics live to share on the show. Then theres someone that does props when they do like skits, challenges, and games.
After listening to xqc talk for more than 10 minutes I've come to the conclusion that his lack of reactions on content is probably the best he can do. Can't get much juice out of an empty cup.
😂😂
He can do the worm
Him calling video creators insecure seems like some big time projection.
@@nightshade71986 lol yeah exactly, insecure about what? He's watching their videos so obviously they're worth watching... It's almost exhausting thinking about disputing anything he says because it leads you down an endless road because eveything that comes out of his mouth is so dumb...
@@Wallabm7091Exactly, I'm shocked that he has no capabilities to even explore a hypothetical. I understand when people start calling you things and telling you you're a thief...you might get defensive and may not present a great argument. Here, he can't even answer a question about this stuff without becoming defensive over nothing and just saying he doesn't care and then some incomprehensible shit.
He came off in a bad light to me here. He's also whining about people preparing...he should have done some of that himself.
Seeing a big guy like him be SO scared to speak his actual mind is disturbing.
Big shoulder no equal big brain
Hasan is the type of insecure that no height or looks can save you from.
millions of dollars and you think he would no longer be dependent on other people's opinions, too bad his insecurites are in the way...
He could literally buy you
@@TurtleChad1lol maybe he could buy you turtleshill
Hasan squirming will always be top tier entertainment
It physically hurts though because thousands of people can listen to this and still think he is a really insightful pundit
It blows my mind. I can watch Chenk, Alex Jones, or Glenn Beck; disagree with their points but I understand why people watch them. Hassan????? Who after watching this clip can see any kind of brain activity worth watching??? He has no spine. He sounds like a middle school drop out with F tier takes.
@@lancevance6346 okey calm down i dont belive you are a 3rd world citizen cause the if you are you would know the average salary of some one from syria ( where im from ) is fucking 70 dollar a month and some one from jordan or lebanon is at most 200 dollar and even egybt is around 300 dollar and most games cost like 40 to 60 dollar so absolutely its not just kids who cant Offord games in a 3rd world country are you crazy
@@lancevance6346yep especially since he's doing it to sound humble and like he came from a poor family while we all know thar's not the case. Gotta farm those socialists
@@luctapiaI had burned copies with black sharpie marker written on the disc 🤣 what a time to be alive
It's funny hearing xqc call Ethan brain dead when he constantly stumbles through sentences and forgets what he says just seconds ago
I would bet money that Ethan was fully aware that Hasan does content that is *almost identical* to the type that xQc does, and him going so hard on xQc was him vicariously attacking Hasan/trying to bait him into either biting the bullet *OR* saying he'd change his policy on allowing clip channels to run rampant.
Do you know why ethan hates xqc and not hasan since they do very similar things. This is my first time seeing ethan hates xqc but I also don’t follow his content
@@pat9529 ethan generally doesn't like xqc for gambling stuff and also some other minor dramas where he didn't like xqc's take or smth, but mainly just gambling
You would lose your money. Ethan has a 2 full time jobs with a wife and 2 kids. I doubt if he watches much of other people's content. Even destiny doesn't have time to watch content and he has half the responsibilities of Ethan. Being an online person is really rare even for content creators.
Ethan allows his fans etc to upload his videos as well tho. As long as they edits that add value to the video and if it’s uploaded after Ethan has uploaded his video completely he doesn’t care. He’s all for his community making money off this content as long as it is decently edited.
Xqc has 1/10th the IQ of hasan and has nothing of value to add in terms of commentary is probably why. I get a headache just hearing his voice here.
xqc is treating these discussions like its his game and he can just outscream and gaslight his chat into thinking nothing is his fault. He simply cant engage and is so ready to disagree.
I really hope he gets banned and sued to the point he can't pay for his meth anymore
there is literally no problem to what he does if he gets permission to upload it to youtube. Watching on twitch is no issue even without permission, it's the uploading part that cannabalizes views.
@@mindblown8290 it isnt really that, bro's demeanor is just so offputting. He's acting like a edgy 16 year old redditor calling other people insecure when he is the most mentally unstable man I've ever seen.
@@mindblown8290The double dipping is the especially ridiculous part.
Why makes it even *more* scummy is using the exact same metadata in an attempt to come first in the algorithm.
F*** XqC. Dude can barely string together a sentence anyway.
This is the “MALD” Shit he is talking about
This comment and the replies
It's crazy how I've completely gone away from being an H3 fan and have grown to dislike ethan a bit, but every now and then I'm reminded of the golden days that the dude is funny af 🤣
Vape nashe :(
he still is In my opinion ofcourse , and he seems happier with his content nowadays
@@fernandodolz9247 the ethan hate train is just cool right now. i honestly dont understand. he is pretty dumb but just dont watch? people got too much energy nowadays.
@@hotlinewavI prefer an Ethan to a pseudo-intellectual that tries to pass themselves off as some sort of authority on literally anything. Lol.
Ethan’s a jackass and has made a lot of dumb moves, said a lot of dumb things, but I don’t find him to be a *bad* dude.
He’s contributed a lot more than many to this cesspool of a platform.
Something something persistence, dudes making a family online while not abusing them for content, has 20 plus employees was the first one to put his money where his mouth was defending A stupid joke when he could have just deleted it resulting in precedent for all future youtubers
To pull off his wife has done some incredible things with teddy fresh and from what I've seen, if you talk about famous closed designers she easily could fit into the group of some of the most influential in that space lol
Damn voice to text always turns out to be a novel lol
Pretty dope
listening to XQC try to “speak” is the motivation i need to get off the app for the day, silence would genuinely be better
How is this still a discussion? lol he literally leaves the room while the video is playing and offers no commentary whatsoever and still defends the position? come on now, its lazy and he knows it
I was kind of on XQCs side before he opened his mouth but now I hope they make the strictest fair use imaginable 😂
what did he say that you disagree with
yall fr have such bad comprehension skills i just can't
@@energystudio1802 Or does XQC lack the ability to make his argument convincing?
@@Zomgnomnom1 i mean thats fair but considering that yall are viewers of destiny i would hope that u guys have the ability analyze an argument regardless of how seemingly convincing it is. If your ears are capable of hearing then u should recognize that through all the very shitty english and fast talking, the claims xqc makes as well as the evidence and reasoning he supports them with are fine on their own and usually quite sound.
@energystudio1802 most people stop listening when they hear things they don't like, and write them off entirely
This is my Avengers Civil War
The autistic edition lol
Agreed
Captain Down Syndrome: Civil War
If this is CA: Civil war to you, you should have seen some of those old trainwrecks podcasts. You got like Destiny, X, Pokimane, Train, Amouranth, T pain , Poke, Hasan, and then some top tier athlete for some reason on the same podcast.
What he’s saying about not having access to films and games in turkey is an outright lie
You can definitely tell he was given that 100 million $ deal due to his impeccable articulation.
people with great articulation are boring and have less viewers. That's no what makes money
@mindblown8290 says more ab the viewers
@@mindblown8290 Ok but he isn't even at a surfaceable level with a high schooler, wtf is his audience.
@@roberteriksen6434 people don't watch him for his intellect, they do it for the craziness and drama which creates parasocial relationships.
@@mindblown8290 ThAt'S nO wHaT mAkEs MoNeY
I loved the open conversation x and destiny had at the last 2 hours of the video, very heartwarming
“What do you want me to do? Starve?”
-Hassan
If I hadn’t already heard the clip in question I’d assume you were being hyperbolic
Who's content is Destiny watching?
What’s specifically not commendable about Hasan being such a coward in speaking his mind is he’s a grown man and millionaire, and watching someone back down from Ethan is peak comedy. He makes his insecurities so visible and it’s gag worthy.
What would you expect form the ultimate champagne socialist?
@@Kool212 Ofc, it’s just still a face palming sight to see a rich grown man suck up to stay on good terms with someone to maintain his clout/money gain.
@@Kool212 Hey now, I'm offended!
Least emotionally attached stream watcher
I don't watch the guy, but I've never heard him express a remotely defensible position or show any amount of depth, but apparently he's smart enough to recognize it.
"Im not actually walking away for an extended amount of time but what're you suppose to do if there's an emergency"
I watched Hasan's lemmino react. He gets up for 10 minutes and then takes his dog for a walk 😂 what is the point of lying this blatantly
You definitely don't watch Hasan 😂
@@TurtleChad1don't need to watch Hasan to know you should just pause the fucking video while you do other things fam.
@@Substantial-hf1rmCope and seethe
@@TurtleChad1 ironic
@@TurtleChad1 Polish it off when your done
I appreciate the editing in this video in how it emphasizes Destiny’s reactions when they happen and then reverts to the original video. I’ve always zoomed in on RUclips videos to catch both face cams and this was a nice touch in terms of editing.
The Hasan getting up while playing videos for stream thing is just so absurd by how simple it is to "solve." Literally just pause the video and throw up a "brb" graphic if you need to, like every other streamer I've seen does. Yet he constantly acts like people criticizing him are telling him to stay glued to his streaming chair all day and just die if necessary. Yet he's the only streamer I've ever seen do this behaviour, and I've seen other streamers have genuine emergencies and handle it better than him who's just cooking in the other room (though I guess to be fair, those other streamers aren't doing anything as lazy as just watching other people's content and streaming that).
He said on the podcast that it was because stopping the video would "make the content shit." I imagine he thinks that he will lose viewers if he pauses the video and walks away. And he'd be right to think so.
It's hilarious the entitlement of xQc being like "I'm taking a risk that this video I'm stealing without any permission and without even having vetted in advance might not be good", and he thinks that's a good point. Like fucking hell dude, even those pages that just steal memes from Reddit at least can say they're "curating" by only sharing them if they're funny.
So much defense from the react thieves presumes that they're just entitled to be able to stream 10+ hours of good content that they didn't make every day. They think it's unthinkably unfair that they should possibly have to just not stream for some amount of time so they can even just prepare what videos to show, or what they want to say in response, or even that they can just turn off the stream for a while so they can take a shit and walk the dog or get some food. The idea that they could spend just a small part of their day not monetised doesn't even occur to them.
Make this make sense to me, how is it stealing content?
@@id1550Bro, why do you think videos can get claimed and taken down if it didn't contain stolen content?
Xqc is the braindead one based on this conversation. Literally hasn't applied any critical thought until he had someone carefully walk him through how to formulate said thoughts
@@id1550 In most cases, watching a RUclips Video on stream, with minimal reactions, is like watching a movie or tv show on stream with minimal reaction (without consent of the copyright holder obviously). You deprive the copyright holder of the content from potential revenue. The copyright holder can sue you for these damages. (Just because the average RUclipsr has less judicial leverage compared to a movie production company does not make it legal.)
@@liliputiense7956 Are there any statistics done by any RUclipsrs as to whether or not reaction videos negatively effect the views of their videos? In one of Destiny’s videos, in the intro, there was the guy talking about how his videos were not negatively effected by react channels, even by one who got more views than him. The ratio remained the same, and made sense. A much bigger channel probably will get more views on their reaction than the op, but what matters is the ratio. Obviously we need other RUclipsrs to study how streamers reactions effect their video’s but I don’t think that even not putting any input would negatively effect a RUclipsr in any way.
I genuinely don’t understand how people are able to listen to xQc and not lose their fucking mind.
Uheyedonnoman i thinkuh hespretty-entertaining….
Dudedudedudedude😂😂
@@nickb1762 omg dude you made me spill my coffee.
@@nickb1762holy crap, this guy can type in xqc, that's no small achievement- AI can't even do that yet
It’s baffling. I feel I’m losing brain cells by the second.
Ethan: playing the video and walking away , that should never be done
Hasan: Yeah .......... I do it all the time
Laughed pretty hard at that
This is a great example of twitch streamers not understanding how RUclips works
The more I listen to xQc talk about this stuff, the more I think RUclipsrs SHOULD DMCA streamers. I'm not surprised by anything he says since he reacts to actual TV/ Movies, but he is the biggest proof period that react content is theft. This guy is so entitled it's insane.
@@goodtakesonly3899it's definitely market usurpation though, because if they upload the whole damn video unedited there's no longer a reason to watch the original video.
@@MisterMosfet yeah the problem with that is you're not considering the odds that the person watching the react content would've watched the original content on their own
@@energystudio1802how is that the least bit relevant?
@@energystudio1802 If you take a book from someone who was never going to read that book, is it not theft?
@@wingusdingus4958 if i get paid from selling a book that isn't mine but i sell it to someone who was never going to read it if i didn't sell it to them, i see no moral issue there is no loss for the original creator, if there is loss for the original creator then i completely change my stance however i do not believe to be the case considering that its doesn't seem as likely as people assume that if someone hadn't seen a reaction video they would've seen the original and those views would've ended up going to the original creator.
Ethan legitimately looking out for Hassan’s well being like a true friend
Touching.
Scum looking out for scum. How heartwarming.
@@1birdwatcherr " ”Touching” 🤓" 🤓
xQc calling RUclipsr's who put a lot of time and effort into videos "insecure" when they don't like their videos ripped and reacted to, encapsulates how uncreative he is as a person. I like xQc, but making high quality content takes a lot of time; streaming and reacting do not require nearly as much effort or skillset.
His babbling & gibber jabber counts as content?
@@IAmTheBugInsideYouI agree, I can't even stand other people reacting to him. He's just straight incoherent and annoying.
Ever since he got that bag from kick he has been saying/implying other people are jealous A LOT.
@@DelgaDudeironically painting him as more insecure than anything lmao. Only insecure people constantly think others are jealous of them, and use that to “dunk” on them
@@qwertyasdf4081 I agree but I also feel like he is mentally fucked from all that Adept shit making him feel insecure since the person who he probably trusted the most liked him only for his fame/money apparently.
This video was wild. Destiny went from making fun of Hasan about how he was just agreeing with Ethan and providing no argument or pushback to doing the same with X. Ethan and X's stances are opposed and Destiny should have been able to make a good argument against what X is doing, but fails to do this because of what I can only assume is being too afraid to upset X on this take.
My two cents.
!!!!!
Destiny agrees with X. He just tried to steelman the position of the anti reactors, I think.
Destiny's stance has been crystal clear since this all blew up. He doesn't think react streamers hurt RUclips channels. He agreed with x here because he agrees with x, not because he's scared to disagree. Destiny is notorious for burning bridges because he disagrees with people, and has been for his entire career. I sincerely doubt he just randomly had a change of heart here, especially considering he and x haven't even been interacting much at all in the last year or two.
He made fun of Hasan for meekly agreeing with Ethan because Hasan doesn't actually agree, he's just scared of losing clout if he burns bridges. Destiny doesn't agree with Ethan, he just enjoys watching Hasan try to squirm his way out of having any actual opinions.
Just recently x had a talk with doctor K, I think Destiny had some part to play. Hasan is a spoiled child, x is unstable. Spoiled children need raising, Unstable people need care.
U coulda flipped xqc's argument back on him because react streamers say the viewers watch it for their reactions. If he loses a bunch of viewers when playing a boring video, then that means those viewers were just there for the other persons content
We must do everything in our power to call out Hasan.
cool pic !
@@alexandros3362 Keep it secret, keep it safe!
It's weird hearing Ethan having actual opinions that plainly contradict his guest and he's just running roughshod over him
To be fair it's against Hasan, nobody likes someone that arrogantly ignorant even if they play nice.
bro ethan’s always speaking facts you just have a problem with what he’s saying so you think it’s not his actual opinion 💀
@@RAHHHRAHHH-en8mdnot true at all little kid, Ethan is one of the biggest f**king idiots on the internet. Destiny doesn’t even agree with any of his takes here
@@RAHHHRAHHH-en8mdNah Ethan was totally wrong on anything to do with Aba and Preach
@nyoxiz5953 see how you said he was wrong rather than anything the original comment said. those are two different things.
Writers really putting in work this season
i’m dead😭😭
I thought they were supposed to be on strike?
ChatGPT took over, doing marvelous work.
Writers are on strike, we got this season thanks to The Power of AI
I applaud destiny for trying to make xqc talk coherently and actually succeed to some degree.
I did need to turn on automatic closed captions to understand xqc talking (I still missed about 10-15% of what he was saying despite that), but while I still dislike him, I can now get a grasp on some of his values.
Destiny relishing in the tension between Azan and Ethan killed me. I haven't laughed that hard from a Destiny video in a long time.
Now this is some transformative content. Well done, August.
If X is right its entirely by accident lmao. I dont actually believe that even if there was a concrete point to be made against react channels he would care. Hes not arguing from ethics he just wants to continue "reacting" lol bro said "tell me how right i am" aka "give me arguments cause idk why im correct but i totally am"
yeah when x said that it was so clear to me how he has absolutely no argument and how insecure he is.
@@MonkeyManAB just tells me he doesn't care about the topic.
His thoughts are said scatteredly but he still made points. There is proof that streamer reactions give bumps to videos and channels, for example.
@tumultoustortellini you could be right but the graphs Ive seen show no noticeable differences. Im not holding it against him that hes not the most articulate its just even after translating the muck he still isnt really adding to the convo in any productive way hes just defending himself blindly with whatever point is on his side. It seems that way to me anyways.
@@tumultoustortellini Yeah a small, tiny bump which would be a hundred times bigger if, instead, it was posted on a subreddit that has people that are interested in that topic.
Losing braincells just listening to Xqc speak. Talks about insecurities while exhibiting several signs himself. Malding hard af because people are making him look stupid, because he know he is and is trying to project a different image. Yikes.
Edit: Damn Destiny's comment about about X on his last "1st class flight" really triggered him. Mental state of a 12 yo 😂
"We've investigated ourselves and found no wrongdoing."
This was so confusing at first, all these people in little boxes talking about different things and then a video game in the center. I'm cheering for the blue guy anyways, he seems like he might win whatever this is
I dont agree with xqc at all in this. He claims that the opposition is too emotionally involved and soyboy about it when he is literally doing that exact thing. The reason why lazy react content is bad is because if it keeps being profitable with zero risk whatsoever, it incentivizes react content over creating original content in the first place. We should be incentivizing and supporting the original content as much as possible, yet people prefer to watch the version of that same video with a square facecam in the top left and financially support that instead. The way that the react meta works is that there can only be so many reactors at one time, because if everyone would become a react andy, there would be no content to react to. There is always somebody putting in hours, weeks, or months of work for less compensation than the guy who spent an hour or two watching and eating his doordashed lunch.
Yeah, it's weird that he get so emotional when people call him out on his bullshit.
That's up to the audience to decide which gets more popular if people don't want to watch original content and only want to watch it if their favorite streamer is involved then that's how it goes. I don't know we should punish or get angry at xqc just because alot of people don't want to watch original content as is or just because he is lazy.
But that's to say that streamers strictly benefit and long-form content creators strictly don't. There is absolutely proof that streamers and reaction in general give views and attention to the original content creator. Reactors (atleast when proper credit and linming is done to the original creator) exist less like a thief and more like a signal boost. Less parasitic and more mutualism.
Didn't viper proof that wrong?
xQc being the biggest streamer in the world is mind boggling to me
Yeah I don't get it either
Not when you take into account his viewers are all children and perpetual children.
just out of curiosity what type of streamer or personality would u expect be more likely to be the biggest streamer
Actually kai is bigger right now x highest paid
Not really
Credit to Ethan. IP law is something he’s always been consistent on.
The one time Ethan makes good points, Hassan comes out to stuff him. This is actually comical gold
XQC " If I walk into a shop, take their product, don't pay for it, take it home, use it and I don't like it then it's the stores fault."
I always love these Destiny/XQC therapy sessions. This video reminds me of 2020 (or earlier?) when XQC would hop into Destiny's discord when he finished streaming and they would just chat about life.
Agreed, lot of people in the comments sadly talking shit saying they can’t watch this just cause X has a speech impediment.
@@Alvah707cry abt it lol
Yeah I love those too. Wish he had more of those
I wish my father spoke to me like destiny speaks to xqc
when this duo came about I thought Ethan would be the spineless yesman of the two who is way too opinionated for his knowledge but it ended up being NepoHasan ☠
Idk why people defend these streamers making millions of reacting to other peoples content with minimal to no actual input. It shouldn't be a thing. If u can't fill your 12 hour stream with your own content... just don't stream for 12 hours. I agree with Ethan 100% that people should start using DMCA claims more often for shit like this but I also understand there is a huge stigma behind doing that and fear of a reputation hit that could follow despite them being fully in the right.
so should people not live react to live news? they shouldn't address breaking news and only prepare clips to react/respond to?
@@aweshumandy If u watch live news and comment nothing about the news u r watching then yeah u shouldn't be "reacting" to it.
@@aweshumandyI’ve seen you in more than 5 comments trying to defend Hasan’s honor. Please go somewhere else where they’ll appreciate the knob gobbling.
@@aweshumandyif your "reaction" is just eat, drink, fart and picking nose for 1hr then no. That's not transformative content. That would be just broadcast someone else's content and profiting out of it.
@@Narutot21 He's obviously not defending Hasan as much as he's taking apart XQC's entire argument. You're either a child or an idiot, possibly both
ethan somehow won a debate with xqc without even participating
i cant believe xqc is a fully grown 28 year old man
I watched this live because I am a H3H3 fan and it was crazy to see so many people in the chat saying Ethan was being crazy for his comments towards hasan. Ethan is just looking out for him so he won’t get sued one day.
Right Ethan is a true friend no matter what he maybe a blunt straightforward friend but he seems to really care about the ppl in his life.
As someone who doesn’t like Ethan much i respect him for this. Watching Hasan dance around while Ethan just cut straight through the bullshit was hilarious. Ethan clearly has an actual principled position on this topic and Hasan obviously just wants to espouse fake virtue while making money off of other people’s work.
@@AstrodeBastroHasan knows it's kinda wrong what he does sometimes, that's the reason
That chat is cancer. There’s a really toxic part of the h3 fan base that literally can’t even handle watching people simply disagree without losing their minds and thinking it’s a terrible thing 😂 Hasan needed to be called out and Ethan actually did it how a real friend should. He didn’t coddle Hasan and he shouldn’t. It was wild to see some of the h3 comments and chat say Ethan went goblin mode and was being too mean, those people are gonna have such a hard time detaching from the computer and dealing with the real world 😂
@@liliputiense7956I am sure some of it are hasans fans, but h3 has always had a group of super toxic fans that lose their minds about everything and have for years. They constantly try to stir up drama it’s wild 😂
Never would I have expected Ethan of all people to be the one to absolutely roast Hasan & hold his feet to the fire.
What a trip. Dude's sooo spineless it's actually mind-boggling that he made it this far. But that's nepo-babies for ya, I guess.
And it's so funny how Destiny's become this sorta de facto diplomat between streamers and RUclipsrs. Ya love to see it. D & X should do more stuff together, honestly, they're just such a funny combo.
Remember Hasan grew up poor everyone. The poor leftist lmao
@@cc-bk3txhes never said that an in this video you see him saying the opposite
And by diplomat you mean he fundamentally thinks one side is wrong
How is it possible to understand that if you use a musicians music without their permission it's obviously wrong, but using someone else's video content is an ethical gray area?
Because those musicians have publishers with a lot of money that will reliably go after them legally whereas the youtube content creators are small time solo run operations most of the time. These streamers are just like spoiled kids that desperately need a spanking.
xQc being the biggest streamer in the world by stealing others content and then being offered a megadeal by a gambling fueled platform/company is really a sign of our time...
chill
Listening to Xqc is making me schizophrenic
I am so glad this came to a head! Ethan may be a dolt on most things. But he is the arbiter of youtube fair use and knows his shit because of the several year long legal battle with Matt Hoss. i cant believe it took him this long to realize his cohost was skirting the line of fair use and has been for years.
I'm not certain he "realized" anything here. He's pretty much entirely driven by popular opinion of what is offensive and what isn't. The controversy has made it popular to shit on Hasan, Ethan's just going with the wind like he always does.
Idk if lemmino commented on this or not but it's pretty funny to imagine him waking up and hearing that everyone is talking about his video only to find out it's twitter drama
I have never been able to figure out why xQc is so popular. He's not even remotely charismatic when he's being braindead like wtf.
Edit: and now I just got to the part where he had a message on his phone from Ethan but wouldn't open it because he didn't want to stop his game so was instead asking Destiny to contact Ethan... what an actual piece of crap.
People ask the same thing for every streamer they don't like. Hasan for example.
@@bubblyybubbyHasan has pretty privilege, I genuinely don't see what X has going for him
@@Substantial-hf1rmAnd Hasan will get alot of short term fans or casual fans who don't see the full picture of how much of a grifter he is. He built his political image carefully that way
@bubblyybubby idk if that's actually true. I don't like Hasan but I get why people like him. I cannot wrap my head around liking xqc though.
The intermittent giggling from time to time by Destiny while reacting to H3H3's video was transformative and therefore fair use.
I think it sucks that ppl with bad ideas have to be confronted with opposing arguments online in the most hostile way. Like Xqc is clearly coping and being entitled with arguments like “I’m taking a risk the video I’m streaming without permission might be bad” but also most people would be overly defensive if something they did daily for years was suddenly being called initial and shitty by thousands of strangers online. Idk I just wish we had a way to pull people out of bad ideas or habits that was more gentle and actually conducive to growth. Mass hating ppl in the wrong online is fun but I rarely if ever think it’s actually the most constructive.
True. Mob sucks
Tbh xqc has bad arguments here. He’s arguing this bc it’s his bread n butter. I don’t feel like xqc bring much unique content at all. It’s obviously kind of snakey to use other people’s hard work to profit off of. But then again, not every streamer is a content creator. Viewers should reward the content creators with their views more so than streamers
He doesn't have any arguments, good or bad.
Why does Hassan think it's other creator's responsibility to entertain his audience while he walks out to go the washroom, or get something to eat? His "what do we do, when we step out" attitude is bonkers. Stepping out doesn't give you the right to utilize others work to entertain your audience.
Yeah, it's honestly baffling. What is wrong with just taking a break? The "content" can be "awful" for a couple minutes. It's not the end of the world. He's so fucking weird about this.
Right. He's got thousands of hours of vods. Make a compilation and play that whilst you're on a break
Unironically too afraid of losing viewers.
I like Hasan but he's clearly choosing not to lose viewers during those moments. if you just pause it, some people will lose focus and do something else (ADHD brains)
And then he uploads the video to his channel and doesn't give half of the earnings to the guy who made the video he just watched. When he gets criticism for it, he rants unhinged about ppl calling him a champagne socialist (which he is), like bruh.
Ethan can be good when he's invested- he's kinda sneaky smart
In this video, two streamers playing games and barely paying attention to eachother, nonchalantly agree about stuff.
When XQC said "hdiejajfjkgirjd" i really felt that
If you don't even want to stake out a moral position on this topic but continue to do it, it's clear that you're maintaining a status quo of doing none of the work but reaping all of the benefits.
He is doing his own work.
Like they agreed its up to the OG content creators to dispute that
@@OBsurdityTVTo me that's totally incorrect framing. Not suffering any consequences for blatant theft isn't a justification, it's an excuse.
@@StonedEmoKid Theft is different from something like Rape and Murder, in that Sense it’s definitely up to the two parties.
With the other two you don’t need the victims to tell you to press charges.
You’re doing nothing here but farming clout off a problem that doesn’t exist.
XQC brings alot more viewership than almost anyone he watches.
@@OBsurdityTV Nobody can make a good faith argument that xQc's "reaction" to the JFK doc falls under fair use. Which would mean he needs explicit permission by the creator to use it. If it's not blatant theft, can you show me those receipts?
*Narrator*: "He could not."
You can accuse me of whatever you want, but I feel very genuinely that stealing somebody's labor is scummy AF.
This must be first time I've seen Ethan dominate someone in a one on one debate.
he did with the guy from nxivm and Pearl? not so much Oli London but def those other two
yes its ur first time seeing "Ethan dominate someone in a one on one debate." because actually he did it more than once
@@aweshumandy Even Oli got dominated, not so much by anything impressive or intelligent that Ethan did, but just by his own stupidity and incompetence
watched it live, so funny to see someone go gloves off vs hasan, when he thought he was safe lmao.
This wasn’t remotely gloves off. This was barely confronting
And then Ethan pulled a zipper down his face, revealing Sam Hyde.
I will never understand this debate the way I see it.
RUclipsrs argument: Please don’t upload our entire videos with no reaction because I have worked weeks, days, hours on theses videos. I lose revenue and views with no foreseeable tangible benefit. You also massively profit from work that you didn’t put in.
Streamers argument: But I want too! 😖
yeah, and the streamer's arguments are that the video creator can't prove loss of revenue so they should be allowed to do it
@@nikker1 Yeah it’s ridiculous, it’s like someone stealing a candy bar from a gas station. Then when they get caught making the gas station clerk prove that it was going to be bought in the first place. It’s like how about you just don’t steal?
XQc just doesn’t wanna put any real work in.
How any Hasan fans watch this and then still be proud to be Hasan fans and defend him on his actions in regards to this stuff is amazing. It's like watching an actual circus full of clowns.
Too bad ,in hasans universe there is no word called "destiny" while destiny being quite small streamer chant five times hasans name to gain some clout.
Hasan is not the main clown though. Other, older clowns started this trend and he just learned from the worse. Sad.
@@GAMEOVER-yy6zjHasan/Sparta/Hasan/Sparta/Hasan!! I'm drowning in clout right now. I tell ya. 🤢🤮
@@GAMEOVER-yy6zjtoo illiterate to type a RUclips comment. Yep, it's a Hasan fan
@@GAMEOVER-yy6zj
Hasan fans sound like broken records. It’s all clout and popularity with you kids. I swear y’all are like 12-14 years old and cannot think of anything better to say.
VAUSH covered this debate 1st HAHA desTINY intellectually out paced by VAUSH ONCE AGAIN 🎉
Irish = Laddie
Destiny = Girl
@@Adam-zh4hm
mind= blown
@@Adam-zh4hm you're = gay
This made me aqua all over the place
This is actually the perfect self serving view. Every statement only exists to serve his own interest
Came for a debate
Stayed for a therapy session
54:50 Xqc is just projecting, he's the insecure one. He's the one who started "malding" and throwing insults after Muta calmly explained his side, and xqc is the on getting angry and up in his feelings about all of this lol.
All I could think of when I first saw Ethan straight up tell Hasan that he doesn't have permission to just walk away from his videos was "Oooooo get him! Get him! Remind him you went to court over fair use! Bring back that old Ethan Klein we all liked!"
It's also (not) astonishing to see how spineless Hasan is.
Guys, what are you supposed to do if there is an emergency? Like imagine your mom isnt home to cook your tendies and you are streaming from your mansion. There is just no other way!!
I like how Destiny first said he has 30 minutes to prep for a debate so he has to go soon, then he promptly didn't do the research, then didn't do the debate, and instead chose to farm XQC content for another 2 hours. Based. Get that bag.
LTG could unironically be a good person to talk to about this, considering his ongoing history of being trolled/restreamed by obsessive anti-fans
XQC is a DGGer
Yup
The irony of destiny just basically re-uploading Ethan's stream and not adding anything other than laughing and saying "based" every five minutes. I guess he didnt learn anything from his talk with MauLer
Said this in another comment lmao, reacting to something by just laughing or giggling every 5 minutes is not transformative use of content. But literally everyone online is a hypocrite for this so pointing fingers at other's saying they're 'the worst' is really funny.
He's playing video games with the video in the background, it's not the same.
@joshecker6907 please tell me you're joking.
Thanks Destiny, you almost gave me a brain aneurism listening to Hassan tap dance around questions. Idk how he plans to "subsidize the entire industry if there is not control over IP. Hes literally playing into the dumb spoiled socialist stereotype where he thinks every issue should just be solved by throwing more money at it.
"Idk how he plans to "subsidize the entire industry if there is not control over IP"
By removing the profit motive, hence the subsidy. He'd eliminate ownership entirely so long as his ideas remain a fantasy and don't threaten his merch income.
Give people a basic income so that they can create art without the fear that someone stealing their IP will leave them homeless
@@Ktmfan450so basically give everyone money and nobody will be poor, im glad the genius has finally arrived to elighten us all.
@@EyesDontCry Next thing he'll say is no one will have to work so everyone can be happy
@coollambo7926 But why would I want to let you steal my IP anyway? It's still theft but with no consequence because you assume people wouldn't still care because of a free check. I'd feel some type of way if I worked on 30 or 60 minute video and got less views on it because Hasan just played it on stream to make everyone feel like they're just in a movie theater. At that point, none of the work you did would reflect in any of your metrics or engagement regardless of any subsidies. Let's Players objectively (on average) add more to the content they play than Hasan does to what he watches most of the time.
I really can’t fathom why XQC is worth $100 million. I can’t understand a word of it - and I’m actually one of the few people who knows what he’s saying. But even though I know what he’s saying, the content of his speech escapes me. He’s like a living bot.
The crazy thing, as someone who has worked in the gaming industry for over a decade, the whole streaming games online and making money off it could end literally tomorrow. You are not guaranteed the ability to do it, it's more of an agreement with the industry than a law saying you can. Case in point, nintendo.
Yeah, let's hope the Nintendo style doesn't become mainstream like gacha games did. Then we will truly have entered hell
the levels of meta this destiny video engages in is mind melting. the irony is insane.
destiny fake yawning to show he doesnt care but he knows xqc is wrong