MESSAGE TO DODGE... FIX THIS OR FAIL!
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- Опубликовано: 5 мар 2024
- In this video I follow @TKsGarage in sharing this message to Dodge CEO and execs regarding the success or failure of the 2024 and 2025 Dodge Charger Daytona.
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I had to go 420 miles north here in California to find a Scat pack Challenger Swinger edition under MSRP (with 2,000 dealer discounts ). All the dealerships in Los Angeles were asking 10,000 to 25,000 $ over MSRP so I bought a 300$ plane ticket and flew up north bought my car and drove home .
Yep! Been there done that! 👍👍
What city? I’m guessing near sac?
I'm looking out of state. I've got a list so that if one dealer doesn't want to do a good deal, I'll move on.
This guy is absolutely right I'm about to do the same thing. Ford and Dodge dealers in California have been a nightmare to deal with in 2024. Dealer incentives are out of control. The financing departments are living in fantasy land.
The reality is the car market is not doing good in 2024, the building is on fire and nothing is selling but Ford and Dodge dealers are raising MSRP prices and absolutely flat out refusing to drop $1 off MSRP stating the cars are priced to sell so I just keep walking away.
I don’t think Dodge cares. I’ll never buy a new Dodge again.
I really think they don't. I was once told by a salesman, "There's a butt for every seat".
I will never trade my 6 speed scat for these crappy new cars
Me Neither
Me neither maybe an s650 in future, my s550 getting mods now 😮
The problem is NOT Dodge.
The problem is it’s PARENT COMPANY, STELLANTIS.
They have NO CONCEPT of What AMERICAN CARS are…or what American CUSTOMERS want. That’s the reason why their attempts to sell their ALFA and FIAT Brands in this country have FAILED MISERABLY. And their attempts to reinvent DODGE and Chrysler cars have failed too. Americans do NOT want underpowered, high-maintenance cars…and taking the “DODGE” name off of the TRUCKS (after their being called “DODGE TRUCKS” for 100 plus years) wasn’t necessarily a high IQ decision EITHER.
The dealerships are actually hurting Dodge. I think they are forgetting who they are working for, despite that giant sign attached to the building.
LOL the demand for the EV and V6 Chargers will only be rivaled by the demand for the Hornet.
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Maybe they will have Uncle Sugar give incentives (our tax dollars) to buy crappy EV’s.
It’s sad too because the hotbed gt plus with the track is actually a really fun suv to drive it’s just priced too much instead of 43k it should be 35k tops that spec and it would fly out the lots for that price
Please stop calling them v6s God damn... it's an inline 6
I was in the market for a Scat Pack until the greed happened. I went out and bought a bass boat and will enjoy it just as much. I'm through with Dodge, and I've been MOPAR since I began driving in 1968.
Right on brother! Let's get this thing turned around!
What Tim can do is quite simple - change the disclaimer on the website to state that MSRP is the advertised price the must be honored by the dealership. Then pull the franchise of any dealer that attempts to add in a markup or addendum. Use secret shoppers to audit dealerships for compliance.
Tim is a white collar snake oil salesman.
MSRP is the problem.. they raised prices by 50% since 2019. Now they’re trying to lower them by 10%. What the hell is that gonna do.
Thanks bro. I hope they fix it. I do
I agree. Dodge can't afford to have this happening to them. Not now. These new Chargers could be a make or break situation, and in order for these cars to be successful and out to the masses, this markup BS has to STOP. NOW!
You forgot the the fact that the Hornet is a mechanical nightmare.
It’s really up to us “consumers” to not impulse buy… wait it out.
People with money will always buy what they want when they want.
@@gerardgalletta6943 Must not be too many in the market because these cars have been sitting on lots for over 400 days in some cases.
New commercial for them. If you think Kia dealers screw their customers, just wait until you come to a Dodge dealer.
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Brad, This is the BEST video you have ever done, Tim and Dodge/Stellantis must listen and more importantly act, otherwise Dodge will sink into oblivion.
Tim is a white collar snake oil salesman 🐍
I had a dealership (Dunn Chrysler in Portage La Prairie) call me because I bought a scat pack a couple years ago offering me a hellcat at 30k over CAD claiming I could double my money selling it into the USA in 6 months. This was one of those "Chrysler representitive special sales team" guys. I think the problem goes further than the dealers, I think it goes all the way up.
Don’t forget they did the same thing when the PT Cruiser came out. I wanted to buy one for a cheap daily driver. But they had the insane markup which no longer made it an economical car. I walked away.
For certain cars, they should be per customer order only. So they are only shipped to the dealer that has a paying customer for the car. Plus allow the customer to order online at MSRP and keep the salesman out of the loop.
I've seen videos of not just Dodge but other makers that took orders and then customers backed out.
In the netherlands a normal scatpack costs €139000 because of taxes and so. One reason you don't see them over here
Yes, because American cars are artificially kept from selling in europe, with nonsense protectionist taxes and policies. The best example for this is the Charger and 300, and the fact that Europe has nothing that competes with these cars. If the Dodge Charger and Chrysler 300 were officially imported to europe, and sold for a fair price, they would absolutely wreck the sales of the C63 amg and E63 amg. Europe has nothing. A 4 door V8 sedan for around $40K. The cheapest 4 door V8 sedan in europe is the C63 amg, which starts at $65K, and the one that actually competes with the Charger and 300 in size is the E63 amg, which is even more expensive than the C63.
Europe always had these shady no-spine ways of "competing" with American cars. But since you're from the Netherlands, you at least see for yourself what happens when the playing field is leveled. In your country thanks to a tax advantage people can buy pickup trucks for a normal price, if they register them as part of their business.
This is why 9 out of 10 pickup trucks in the Netherlands are the typical American trucks like the RAM 1500, F150, Silverados, Raptors, Chevy Avalanches, and etc. All that had to be done was level the playing field and look at that, the dutch choose to buy American. The same thing would happen in the 4 door V8 sedan category, and europe can't let that happen.
I guarantee you the dealers will screw this up.
They already are. I talked to a salesman who brought this car up and didn't expect someone to know what's going on with this crap car. He tried to pitch it as a two door Charger after I made disparaging remarks about 4 door Chargers and how real Chargers only have two doors.
Was going to purchase a 2023 Challenger Scat Pack and my local dealer had a 25,000 markup and wouldn't budge. I went to Ford and ordered a 2024 Mustang GT premium with Performance pack,Magna Ride, Valved exhaust. MSRP was 60,254.00 and that's what I paid plus tax,license and doc fees.No mark up and no games.
R.I.P. Dodge I’ll miss them like Pontiac Tim Kuniskis failed Dodge I’m sorry to tell you that it started in 2015. The $10K-$20K MSRP increases are crazy. Then them cutting off the pickup truck and gas commuter cars was the dumbest idea Tim Kuniskis ever did it’s the reason why he can’t sell V8s now. I respect Ford and Chevy because they’re good businessmen. They never turned their backs on the pickup truck and gas commuter car people especially since it makes them the most money. It’s the reason why Ford and Chevy still have credits to still make V8s because they never turned their backs on the people who don’t care about performance and continued to make gas saving commuter sedans and crossovers and medium size pickup trucks. There is no reason why in Dodge has no smaller gas saver cars, crossovers and medium size pickup trucks in their lineup it’s unacceptable. You’re supposed to be growing the Dodge brand not taking it backwards to the 90s and early 2000s all over again when you went bankrupt and your buddies at Mercedes Benz had to save you haven’t you learned nothing Dodge even Mercedes has multiple gas commuter cars in their lineup along with performance cars!!!!
Toyota has the perfect vehicle line up. Literally every vehicle type is represented (Supra isn't a muscle V8 but you know what I mean)
If you need a cuv, gas saving commuter, family hauling SUV/van, big truck, performance coupe, EV, hybrid, or a sedan they're all in the lineup
Why isnt anybody talking about the the specs of this "Electric Muscle Car" weighing almost 6000lbs and rated of a top speed of 134 mph? Wouldnt this be enough to nail the coffin for dodge and the community?
It will kill Dodge, especially when you see the price tags! Just like the fallacy that the ICE version is going to be “lighter”. No chance it’s under 4,000 pounds.
@@Thurmanatr16 if they couldn't shave it off the challenger and charger, theirs no way their doing it now.
Watching Kusniskis make an entire social media ad, starring himself, explaining to current Dodge customers why they are wrong to want what they want should tell you everything you need to know about the direction of this company.
True. Tim Kuniskis is a Snake!
Agreed, he is a slimy cringe lord pretending to be Richard Rollins. Never forget his live cope and seethe during the Hornet launch where he was saying take that haters, we just had 14K orders last night! Fast forward 2 years, it’s not sold anywhere near that and is the worst selling vehicle by day’s inventory in America.
Great advice, great content. Dodge does not care. And never will .
This time the dealers will only charge 150k for mandatory oil change on electric charger😅😅😅😅thanks for your videos always 100% correct.
Just checked my local Dodge dealer where I take my Scat Pack. A base Challenger R/T MSRP is $53,985. My 2019 Challenger Scat Pack new was $52,000
My 2019 scat brand new was 40… and my 2020 cat brand new was 53,000… that’s the real price for these cars..
@williamrose7818 I bought my Scat in 2020 with 13k miles for $35k after trading in my 2015 r/t I only financed it for $22k. Thanks Covid19 haha
I’m 73 years old this year, After working for dealers, AMC, GM, Ford which was the worst, Chrysler Dodge. The shenanigans that were pulled in the service department and the sales department. it’s a wonder anybody wants to deal with them. Had a Dodge dealer I had a little lady come to buy a car so they put her in this little dart. Gave her $200 and trade for her 1956 Teebird with 65,000 miles that lived in her garage. it was her husband’s car, his pride and joy. He screwed her out of it and then the manager took it home. Crp like that. It’s been going on for a long time.Hr bird was worth more than the car she purchased.
DODGE WENT BLUE HAIR WOKE
well said my friend. i like your thoughts on the sixpack.
sounds like a neat little car to daily..
Love your work
I can’t believe the weight on this new electric scatpack. 5800 pounds with no driver in the seat. Unbelievable. We’ve reached yacht on wheels status.
The only time Dodge will care is when it's too late and that's the problem..
Tim Don’t care
Dodge is now just a name. It's over.
Dodge is just a call to action. Dodge the dealer.
You're 100% right, but I don't think Dodge cares.
Tim Kuniskis could careless
I always knew that dealerships are legalized crooks.
White collar criminals
My local dealership still has a 2022 Challenger Hellcat Redeye with a 5k markup on it, bringing it to just under 100k. It’s been on the lot now for over 435 days.
You are doing a great job for the Brotherhood. Dodge does not give a damn. I personally have over $200 to spend on a car this year. I’m looking at a 69 Charger, the new cars suck.
I’m with you. I’ve been considering a restomod charger myself.
I am as well and a nice one.
Well said!!
So my comment doesnt show on the video....What else is new. I actually combed through the video Dodge put out, and man....I was going to just ignore it, but way too much thats flat out wrong.
How can Dodge not even know their own history? I guess simple asnwer is that Dodge is just a name. Its a Stella Large
Yep! Hope you’re feeling better dude! Loved your last video! ✈️ 🚓
@@ocmotivator Thanks. Feeling better, struggling to stay afloat financially though. Tough times ahead, thats for sure
@@RipRoaringGaragesorry to hear that dude. Throw up a a cash app address and let us all help a little. Your videos are great and happy to support the channel as it grows. 👍🙏
@@ocmotivator Its not that desperate yet...I think there are people worse off that a guy with four Hemis....But appreciate the sentiment. Would just be nice to figure out what Im doing with these videos lol. But by summer I will know if its dire or not.
@@RipRoaringGarageright on dude. Just keep filming, upload often and don’t give up and your channel will start to grow exponentially. 👍👍🙏🙏
These last few years have just sullied the brand for me. I love these cars as much as the next person. But just thinking of the brand now is just negative. The brotherhood nowadays only consists of deep pockets. Not the people who love and respect these cars.
almost 70K subscribers!!!
At this point im convinced these dealerships are being told by dodge manufacturers to set these vehicles prices at a certain price and not budge at all. That way when the other models of the new charger drop, those prices can be 80k/100k+ easily
100% agree with You.
It’s just plain sad. As a young person who is head over heels with the dodge challenger and is planning on financing one soon, it’s disheartening to see the brand take such a drastic plunge in the way they conduct business
Honestly more of the blame needs to go towards the idiots who have been buying marked up vehicles, that's why dealers are still doing this bs.
Dodge and Tim don't care what's going on at there dealerships !!! It's SAD 😔
True. Tim is a Snake
I won't ever go back to a new car dealership my last experience was so bad they made me stick with used private buyers they are idiots at new car dealership especially since 2020 and on they can keep there new cars
Feels like we’re going backwards. I drive a twin turbo car and its nothing new and even I miss a good ole v8. Dodge needs to be careful with this launch if it didnt already bury itself.
I've run into at least 10 new Demon 170's on the showroom that were straw bought by the GM, the dealership owner, the dealership owner's wife, etc. and they conveniently did not buy the car but let the dealership have it to sell.
What’s that smell? Oh, it an electrical fire in your garage!
Wish I were rich enough to be flipping these. A white 170 sold on BaT last month for $195,000!! No Reserve, just insane. Sticker was $133,146 for a profit of $62,000!! And since there's a 7.5% Buyer's Fee on BaT, the total was $209,605, and we have not paid for a title, plates or state taxes yet. It may be "wrong" for the dealers to mark these up, but I can see the temptation. It would seem Dodge set the retail too low.
Amen Brad, im a hige born and bred dodge fan and i am getting sick of it.. hopefully Tim and his team does something about it!
Tim is a white collar snake oil salesman
Wait I'll be back gotta watch TK's video firsy
List of options Dodge needs to add to make this car popular like its predecessor and end its criticism:
-A V8 and a supercharged version to perform like a muscle car
-Full-time RWD with no AWD mode to drive and handle like a muscle car
-A proper sedan body without a hatch for those who prefer traditional sedans
You know it oc keep it up dealerships need to be held responsible for it and dodge needs to step in and fixed this problem keep up the good work thanks
Right on
OC Motivator Great Video I definitely agree that Dodge needs to get ahold of Dealerships and make agreements to keep their pricing fair so they don't completely fail and I also agree that Dodge Dealerships should keep their prices to defeat the flippers
Neither Dodge nor the FTC will do anything to protect customers.
I really expected the vehicle to be lighter they let me down with this one. If the inline 6 variant weighs more then the current 392s idk if the extra horsepower will help.
I’ve been MOPAR fan for 60 years. I did get 22 Scat Challenger for just under MSRP. I do love my ICE car so that helps crazyness that I had fork over 65k. Absolutely NO electric car in my future. Great video but I think it’s too late for a lot of us. Next car is ICE V8 Mustang. Bye bye Dodge.
The dealership I get my service from deserves my business, but as of right now, I’ll never buy another dodge product. This dealer has a Demon 170 in their showroom with a 100k “Market Adjustment”.😮
Stellantis is the problem. They are rushing to many products like the Jeep.They don't know their target market. They need to focus on fewer products. They need to produce products that consumers want and at the same time quality. In the case of Dodge start with the gas cars. Offer at least one V8 for the Charger. In the case for the Hornet the size is too small. Should at least be the size of the Equinox. The base price needs to come down
I so agree. I've been driving Dodge cars since the 60s. Even had a 69 Daytona and two hemi 70 chargers. What I'm seeing What these low bag dealers makes me sick. I question myself if I would buy another Dodge again. I own 5 cars now.
Judging by my experiences here in NJ with several CDJR dealerships I really don't think it's going to get better anytime soon. They really don't think they have to change anything and that's why they're lots are overflowing with product. The ill will they have created over the last couple of years is starting to finally show up in their sales report. I really think it will take most of them going belly up for anything to change.
Dodge doesn’t care about the goodwill with customers anymore it’s all about one and done! Get as much money from a sucker as possible.
Just like with the 23 last calls, those of us who wanted one already have one and now the cars are just sitting there. When the EVs come there will be an initial wave of buyers paying markups and then the inventory will just sit there again. Dodges fate is in real trouble. Once the brotherhood knows an EV scat pack tops out at 137 mph good luck.
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Hey Brad…just to make sure I’m not going crazy…I’ve watched yours and a few other videos on the new Charger. Any mention of a manual transmission possibly for the Six Pack ICE Charger?
No manual mentioned. But wouldn’t that make this awd 550 hp turbo a fun car! Hope they offer a manual.
Extremely unlikely to have a 6 speed, if its not already confirmed
They are not available with a manual in any form, nor will they be “light” in any form.
Why can’t Dodge stimulate “no mark up “ over msrp to all franchise owners at CDJR Dealerships? Unless dodge are getting kick backs from the Dealerships 🕵️
I agree!
Past time for a fundamental change of how you buy a car. Allow customers to order their vehicles directly from the manufacturer and have it delivered to their home.
I'll be buying used Dodge cars until the dealers get under control. Deals can be had on the used market far more often than new. Plus you don't feel like you getting as screwed over. I really hope Dodge gets the message we are sending or this new Era could be their last in the performance car market.
I have seen more tesla trucks on the road than hornets. How crazy is that. And I'm a local truck driver.
I think Dodge created the Hornet to swarm around the lot and protect all the vehicles that aren't selling! 🤷🏽♂️
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You need to go to Good Brother Dodge in Weymouth Mass....they are great and never play those mark-up games
Chrysler (Stellantis) needs to go the way of AMC. Their time has come.
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And quailty control
FORD > DODGE
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It's very sad thinking of the dodge demon 170, markups of 150k~200k on them. It's supposed to be a last goodbye and an hommage to the brand but unstead whenever someones talks about that car it's about how dealers are scamming people and it's ridiculousness surrounding it rather than how awesome it is. What a disaster
Simple fix is don’t play the dealer games , unfortunately there’s always someone with more $$ then common sense and the dealers will continue to F&ck the rest of us. Anymore I’d almost rather sit thru a root canal at my dentist than shop for a new car
unfortunately, they ain't gona do squat.
I think some people will buy these cars for content and to say that they’re the “first” to do such and such. It just doesn’t make sense for the 2024s/2025s to sell at all.
It’s like going to McDonald’s and all of a sudden they’re selling pizza.
As soon as the early adopters/social media influencer types get theirs, it’ll be all downhill afterwards.
The dealerships service departments even suck worse. You want your vehicle fixed in a few days not weeks or months later.
The only people attacking the dodge brotherhood is their own dealerships 🤣
Mustang GT here I come!!!
What dodge needs to do is allow us to order direct for MSRP and have it delivered to the dealer of your choice. That dealership would then get to close the deal and get the profit over invoice and the financing. If the deal drops through then the dealership gets the car and they can charge what they want. That will stop this straw buying and markup crap!
I’m already done with Dodge. Never buying another New Dodge.
Same
They don’t have any cars people really want anymore. Those days are over and they bled every bit of cash they could out of it…..
All Tim needs to do is look at the Ford Maverick. When they came out a little over 2 years ago, I went and looked a stripped base XL model with an MSRP of~$22K w/a TWELVE THOUSAND DOLLAR mark up, (~$34K). Yeah, GFY. Fast forward to 3 weeks ago. Production is now nearly matching demand. Found a new, '23, loaded Lariat for just a few bucks more; a coupla bucks UNDER MSRP. Sooner or later, lot rot will catch up with the crooks. At least attempt to keep up with demand and the market will take care of itself.
Stellantis /Dodge dealerships are the worst! I just bought a new BMW four series and a new “last call“ challenger. BMW dealership was amazing! Top-notch! I live in Omaha Nebraska. The Dodge dealership I dealt with was absolutely terrible. All of their shenanigans trying to sell me this and thatwas ridiculous. In the end, I shot them down on every single thing they tried to sell me. The finance manager was pretty good at his job, but I shut him down on every single thing he tried to sell me. I bought my car with zero add-ons. Trust me it’s not easy to do this if you are a weak minded person. Horrible sales people at the Dodge dealership I dealt with. Snakes.
These mark ups been going on for a while. They know about it and they haven’t done nothing about it. Nothings going to change.
After owning 2 dodge cars I have to admit.
Fool me twice shame on ME, Never again dodge or as they are known today Stellates.
New car same old F'ING problems.
Tim doesn't care. Tim is really not in control he's just the front man. Dodge is going down. I'm sad about it, but it is what it is.
I bought a Mustang GT below sticker, sorry Dodge!
Nice, congrats! Sweet cars indeed.
Dodge has lost there minds 😂. These will be priced at $70-120k. Who they marketing to? Vehicles will be heavier than a Durango packed with Tortas 😂😂😂. For that money might as well get luxury plus power 😂.
I think these will flop pretty bad and sit on lots. The EV versions weigh nearly 6k lbs, and that vacuum sound is trash. Dodge fully committed to it’s “boat” identity. Even the twin turbo inline 6 Charger is 4 inches wider and 8 inches longer than the previous version. Add in awd and these ICE versions will be too heavy as well. I heard max speed of 137 mph on the new EV Scatpack, which is 🤮 if true.
Get the Federal Statutes changed and go to a direct sales model. End Days for the Stealerships.
All you need is a 1-800 line for reporting dealers who break the rules.
If manufacturers were smart they would come up with a no hassle loyalty discount. I’m not talking about $500 promotional deals. Fair deals, no questions asked. Everyone wins. If you want to haggle after that, then so be it
Dodge needs to take a page out of Nike/Jordan brand marketing book. 🧐
I was gonna say the same thing ! I used to be a Jordan reseller until Nike started producing more pairs and making them more accessible which took away a lot of the reselling
But they already make them cheaply to the point they fall apart in a month. ;)
@@ignignxktthat’s not what he meant…we’re talking about resellers here and what Nike did to reduce it
I'd like to say it'll change, but I doubt it...id like to consider Dodge/Ram again, but still too many people buying these overpriced vehicles, so they have no incentive to go back to pre-covid prices. For context, browsing a Ram forum and a guy was so excited about the "deal" he got on a truck; sale price was 60K; for a Big Horn. Before all the price gouging, I walked out the door with mine for half that and more equipment.