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Great documentary about depression and teens. Hope Chris I believe his name was gets help and overcomes his depression/anxiety. Wish there was more I and many other people could do to help him.
Have you guys ever thought nothing is wrong with these kids? It's the parents fault and society fault? But ya if you blame grown ass people for what their are doing wrong they get mad. Better to blame it on kids.
@@livingdeadjake4228 Unfortunately, Chris will probably never get the proper help, all thanks to his shitty mom. We can all see the direction it's going--legal trouble, abandoned by the school system. I wish his mom would've just let him get the help he deserves.
STAFF BECOME DISCONNECTED BECAUSE IT IS HEART BREAKING IF YOU START BONDING WITH THE PATIENT :AND THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT BLADE IS THE PATIENTS NEED THAT BOND OF TRUST THAT HAND TO HOLD . IMAGINE DAY IN DAY OUT ALL YOU DEAL. WITH IS HOPELESSNESS YOU WANT TO SHAKE THEM GET A CLUE AND HUG THEM AT THE SAME TIME. AS A REGISTERED NURSE I NO LONGER WORK CHILD ADOLESCENT PSYCHOLOGY BECAUSE IT BROKE MY HEART AND THE FIRST THING MOST IMPORTANT THING THESE KIDS NEED IS NEW PARENTS ! PARENTS WHO WILL LISTEN AND NOT BE AFRAID TO BE HONEST WITH THEIR CHILDREN AND HUG THEM DAMN IT HUG THEM !
“We keep choosing the wrong heroes. “ great quote couldn’t agree more. With social media young people are idolizing the wrong people. We are seeing the real consequences of social media.
Chris: "I need residential care, I think that would really benefit me" Mom: "I don't think that's the best option for him..he's only 16 he doesn't know what's good for him" Yikes...there's a major issue in this mindset that just because he is a teenager, that he cannot take steps towards knowing what is best for him. Breaks my heart.
Also doesn't help that from what I gather most insurance doesn't cover what he needs. Maybe the mom was too embarrassed to say she couldn't pay for it? It's just all f'd up.
These kids don't know what they need either. They probably gorge on sugar and are extremely deficient in simple vitamins and minerals, giving them no tolerance to stress or an opportunity to relax. Magnesium deficiency, look it up. I can show you many anecdotes and even studies that show that simple mineral deficiencies can contribute to depression. Just as well, long since we have gotten away from our hunter gatherer state of being, our diets have been cut off from our natural state. We don't have the physical support we used to get from our diets. This is one part of a big puzzle. Kids need to be shown that the way forward is through self acceptance and also by fighting the negativity we feel inside through exercise or art. That pain is a part of life, it's very natural. But what isn't natural is that we have no ability to deal with from a neurological or biological standpoint.
we don't see everything and as a parent i understand you are trying to help them with tools and solutions- sometimes the problem is so big you are trying so hard to find a solution that you don't stop to just be there and present.
Yeah, that was disgusting. These parents played the victim in this situation. "What are we suppose to do, mortgage the house?" *mom chokes*. Absolutely disgusting. What that child needs is moral support and a commitment to just being around when they need it most. Worry about the potential institutionalization or medication later.
That's what upset me about this specific case. The kid is telling them what he needs and they continue to not listen to him. Just highlights one of the major problems with teen suicide. People are hearing but not actually listening to these kids.
It's sad -- it's only the most outwardly troubled family member that gets looked at as the problem and sent to therapy and treatment, when in reality the kid is merely a symptom of a systemic familial system of lack of support and understanding. The whole family should be getting therapy independently of just the one kid showing the worst of the symptoms but because he's the one the least able to cope he's singled out and made to feel like a burden and a problem, all the while the authoritative figures in his life don't listen to him when he's telling them what he wants/needs. So infuriating!!
@@Cordial_Lump As a mother, I will let y'all know, those shitty parents don't represent all of us. Just like as a mother, if my daughter ends up dealing with depression or anything of that matter, I will even scrap change and as much money as possible so I can get her the proper treatment and help her in the best way possible. So she knows that she's not alone in this and that when she goes through things, we go through it together. I get upset when I see kids being ignored by their parents when they tell them they're not OK mentally or emotionally and that they need help. I hate piece of shit parents that bash them or make them feel like they don't have anyone to talk to. Then they wonder why suicides happen.
Looked like there was way too much responsibility being pressed on her for her age and what she's going though. You can't solve a mental health crisis in 72 hours, it's impossible. Healing is possible but it happens over years. Asking someone that is dooming them to run that demand through their head the whole time they're there and taking away the chance to make real progress.
I'm sure it was both the parents, neither seem responsible in the way that they just both are clueless as to the state of their daughter's mental health. You should be in touch with those things are a parent.
"Have you thought up a plan? have you thought up a solution?" Jeeez, asking a KID IN DISTRESS to problem-solve their own mental health issues isn't going to get you very far.
To be fair, we don't know the circumstances surrounding the situation. It could very well be that she doesn't have the means to offer it to him, or that it's just hard for her to process all that happened. We're seeing just a sliver of the full picture of their lives.
Residential care made me worse from the abuse, most are abusive!! Therapy didn't help, meds made a zombie. Daily mindfulness meditation healed my ptsd, anxiety, depression, anger and helped me in many other ways as well.
Everything wrong with Hailey's parents: At the beginning of the conversation, we see a desperate, anxious, and vulnerable Hailey crying and pleading for help. She knows she needs treatment and she wants something done about it but her parents are resisting 5:18 "So now you have to build yourself up and become strong" this is a backhanded piece of advice. The mom is actually putting blame on Hailey, saying she was too weak to stop her suicide attempts 5:23-5:28 Notice the father's tone. Very condescending, very terse, very dismissive. He's using this tone to express his exasperation with this whole process. He believes it is a phase or that Hailey is "acting" for attention 5:29 The mom is essentially doing the same thing here. Her saying "we don't have to figure this out right now" is in confrontation with Hailey's desire to get help and receive treatment. She wants this to be over just as much as the father does 5:40 "have you thought of any plans?" Classic manipulation tactic. Hailey's mom is shifting all of the responsibility and by extension blame for the current situation over to a distressed and confused teenager. She likely has problems taking personal responsibility. 6:00 "She doesn't know where her heads at is the dad essentially confessing that he thinks his daughter is lost and confused. Almost as if he thinks this may be puberty related. These parents clearly have no idea how to raise a child with mental health issues, likely because their country upbringing had no mention of it at all. They're taking the "walk it off, it'll sort itself out eventually approach", when in reality they should be looking to directly intervene.
Sadly I'm guilty of saying this kind of stuff myself. The constant worry that something bad will happen when a family member has mental health issues takes a massive toll on your own patience. Not saying It's right, but when suscepted to constant worry you get tired and start saying stuff that you probably shouldn't and projecting your own worry unto said family member. At the end you just want it to stop, maybe you even start disliking the person because you've told yourself that this is all their fault, and you hate the source of the worry. Explaining away the medical reasons for mental problems and regressing to an attitude of "you're selfish for doing this to us, and it is your responsibility to stop being a crybaby" is in that case very easy and quite comforting. I don't think it has anything to do with low education or lack of empathy, I think it's a natural response. Don't forget that mental health issues are hard for everyone, not just the person suffering from it.
@@bobbyguzman3058 "build yourself up and make yourself strong" is such a vague and useless piece of advice for a teenager struggling with suicidal thoughts. Parents shouldn't be telling her to come up with a plan on their own; they shouldn't be using their supposed superior wisdom and critical thinking skills to _support_ their kid and help them come up with a way to fix or confront her problems
@@hugogh3507 Oh definitely. There is a huge difference between someone who cannot get help and someone who refuses it. If you refuse it, the burden is on you. As a friend or family member, you are not obligated to put up with it anymore.
And the whole conversation goes out the window once that bill comes through... bottom line is that this poor girl will not get the support from anyone because the resources are too expensive to obtain. Thats really messed up. you have two parents who are too frustrated to and ignorant on how to help their child and a system that will not do anything unless it is paid up front.
Yes but to be fair it's a shitty situation all around. A lot of families don't habe the money. You can't blame them for not giving up their homes to pay for therapy. The issue isn't the families, it's the government who doesn't help them.
@@asher_2789 my mother came from a country with free healthcare and no one went to the doctor for mental health problems or they would be placed in a mental institution and drugged to high Heaven
Olivia B thank you, that’s exactly what I needed, and without that support I ended up with another 25 days in a baker act facility and finally a residential that only Helped with two of my 5 diagnosis’s
That section is so fucking bullshit. "So, what's the plan?" The fucking plan? She's 14 IIRC, she's not going to have a plan. Be fucking responsible for your kid and learn about their illness instead of ignoring it and pretending that she just needs to buck up and form a plan for her life. She needs treatment and support, and you need to be the ones to formulate that plan for her. It's like they expect her to understand the US healthcare system more than they do. Seriously? My parents were the exact same way. Ship me off to a psychologist for a diagnosis, and then once I'm diagnosed they refuse to learn anything about the diagnosis and expect me to get instantly better because I'm seeing a psychologist now. No, I need your support. This isn't how mental illness/disability work. Fortunately I eventually got short-term residential treatment, which helped immensely, but I still have a disability and a mental illness, and they still don't have any interest in learning about how they affect me. They figure that now that I've been to residential and seen a psychologist that I'll suddenly be completely normal, able to get a high paying, high pressure job, have a wife and kids, and get back to the way they used to see me when I hid my issues from them. No, it's not that simple. Sure, I'm not suicidal anymore, and for the most part I'm relatively happy, but my brain stops working in high-pressure situations and there's nothing anybody, including myself, can do about it. So help me. Help your fucking kids, listen to them. Learn about them and the way their illness or disability affects them. Step up and drop your expectations about a perfect happy child, lose the fantasy. Meet them where they are, not where you think they should be. It's simple.
@@haileygotsis7875 That's what got me so upset. You were stressed out, in distress, you need help, but it felt like your parents wanted a quick-fast solution that someone else will give them, instead of trying to come up with a short AND long-term plan for you at this moment. If you had a solution, you wouldn't be asking for help. I found your scene the most distressing for that reason. My mother especially doesn't like to listen to what I have to say, is a major source for my distress, but when I just try to express another contrasting view or say "I don't know," etc., she keeps saying that there's something wrong with me and has only pretended to be supportive of mental health and is all "you're a great creation by god, I hope you have courage to be who you want to be" when I blow up at her, yet she's also like "you're not depressed, you're just avoiding reality, be strong and successful." I hate talking to her and she likes to act like the victim when she upsets me, and I only started searching for psychiatric help when she moved away from me. Thank you for sharing!
Chris was BEGGING to be helped. To be kept safe and be looked after by professionals. And that mother blatantly and ignorantly refused to see that he is telling her what is best for him. I truly hope that she opens her heart to actually listening to her son and what he needs for his healing. Going into residential treatment is not "running away from his problems".
The fact that she invalidates his concern and his needs because "he's 16" says more about her than it does about him. She is probably a major part of WHY he is experiencing what he is experiencing, because she is damn well the reason why he isn't getting the help he needs.
@@drakecarter1780 She has 3 kids and only 1 turned out to be a bad egg...if anything it shows what happens to a man when he is raised in a house full of women with no male role model.
Pretty much, I have enormous amounts of people I know who the legal consequences of getting committed are significantly too steep for them to admit to others they have issues.
@@DeviantDespot Yup. I think the threat of being committed keeps a lot of people from getting counseling, too. I actually have access to free counseling, but I can't use it because I'd have to lie to the guy. I'm way to honest and nonchalant for therapy. haha.
I can confirm its an issue. I cant tell anyone I want to die without laughing it off as like a joke or something because god forbid they get me hospitalized. I just can't fucking afford it. Money is the reason I'm depressed and I'm depressed because I lack the motivation and will to go out and make some. Can't afford to live, can't afford to die, can't afford to express it.
I agree that you might not be able to tell a therapist that you're going to kill yourself without them contacting the authorities, but talking to them about WANTING to kill yourself or suicidal fantasies is safe. I mean.... unless the therapist knows nothing about doing their fucking job.
@@heyyou1911 It's so unfair that we're born into this world without our consent and then we're just expected to abide by the rules of it and be ok with the way this world functions, and expected to bust our asses to make money and be miserable to stay alive, it's not like we asked to be here. Then when someone hates the laws and hates the fucked up things in this society and world, and acts out or wants to die, they're either put behind bars or expected to work to make money for their own care.
I mean most state don’t have like a mental health line they can call and somebody can drive over there and talk to them. It’s much better to have someone one in person as the child could still go through with it and just hang up. There should be mental health therapist that work with the police but sadly we do have that
I have been baker acted quite a few times growing up. Most of which my parents called against my will and now I have PTSD level anxiety when police are nearby. I grew up trying different medications to help with bipolar Disorder, ADD, ADHD autism and depression, all of which never worked long term and barely for a month. Thankfully I was on Medicaid but I never truly was listened to. Every time I went I felt like I gotta fake it to try and get through the 72 hours as quickly as possible. Honestly halifax behavioral society in daytona beach, FL is purely unhelpful to say lightly. I wish I could actually do more to be able to help those who have mental health crisises and disabilities.
@@sierragoin863 I respectfully disagree, we have already seen that case where a mentally ill person was having a crisis and was killed by a policeman. The US police seem to have little to no training to deal with those kinds of situations.
Harming people is a crime. If people need to be removed from the situation to prevent from harming themselves and others then that’s what needs to happen.
Imagine a child going to one of those expensive places knowing that they are bankrupting their parents in order to try and heal... that alone would push most over the edge. Gotta love UhMerica.
oh i mean in other countries those kids would not be given any help. America is probably the best country to be in to deal with mental health. I'm assuming you live there and are just so close minded that you don't realize how much privilege you have.
@@0IIIIII at least republicans didn't literally fight to the death to keep slavery. Honestly do just a little bit of research before using the word uneducated.
This weighed on me when i went through my own mental health issues, but once i expressed those feelings my parents said they would spend anything to save me. It hit me how much mean to people and helped me see my own self worth
@@ghostweathermusic The OECD lists the US as having the most expensive (% GDP) and the least comprehensive healthcare among developed nations. US has too much for profit bloat. Other countries objectively prove that universal healthcare is bettet
Yelling at an acutely depressed person going through it about What theyre Gonna Do to solve Their problem is insane & cruel. I get theyre not equipped & stressed about money but My Hod focus on the moment youre in & uh, she obviously has no idea how to feel better. This country is so backwards in who is protected: the rich-versus vulnerable people.
Did you peep how they were hugging and consoling each other? No empathy for their daughter, but all the support in the world for each other. I hope they see this and recognize how terribly they are handling their daughters needs.
@@morganhillfightclub2996 And the boomer just say "they just need to toughen up and stop being snowflake", than shove the gen Y out back into the world to DIY for solution to their stress.
now take your comment from a year ago and times that time a billion, bc that is what we are doing to our children’s mental health by not putting them first in a god damn pandemic
@@lauren7726 I agree! But I also think the routine that have during the school year only masks or distracts me from my distress rather than helping me cope with it.
Yeah, and he raised his voice to say it. He's being completely adversarial to his own child, when she needs compassion and understanding more than ever. I hope she is able to find a decent therapist that will help her work through being raised by such a toxic person, and how that has scarred and is scarring her.
I also liked that he exaggerates the cost of private care and then acts like "pfft, what am i supposed to do, take out a loan for my daughter's mental health?"
@@irrossistable What do you know about his financial problems? Maybe he barely makes ends meet to keep his family not get bankrupt. But you are eager to judge.
If anyone sees this comment Chris is my brother, we celebrated his memorial yesterday and he took his life September 1st. He was hurting really bad and watching this video is now the only way to see him or hear his voice. Please keep him in your prayers. Depression is real and serious.
😢 Wish I was able to help your brother. I am very saddened to hear this. I am sorry for your loss & may God provide you and your family with patience and strength. 🙏
Chris’ mom makes me angry. He was clearly asking for long time care and she said “he’s 16 he doesn’t understand”. He understands he needs help and WANTS the help.
Yes. She is selfish. She is trying to keep him home with family she can't let go. He is trying to DISTANCE himself from them into residential care to protect himself and his family. Poor kid...truly misunderstood.
What if she can't afford it? What if he needs to learn consequences of actions, the value of life and freedom. I mean the kid is sixteen. At sixteen you should know right from wrong, you should have some understanding of life
girl: * talks about her problems * therapist: * doesnt even comfort her* ok we will give you medication this isnt therapy its just numbing them with meds so theyll be quiet. wtf.
Unfortunately a lot of mental health care is like this. When I started seeing a therapist she referred me to a psychiatrist to get prescribed anti-depressants. I always wonder why they don't try harder to help you become better without medication. They treat medication like it has to be a part of someone's treatment.
The medication aspect really scares and bothers me. Most psych drugs are studied on adults, not children or adolescents. Even in adults some medications can make symptoms worse or cause new issues. These kids are prescribed meds during a crisis within 72hrs!?! How is that enough time or the proper time to diagnose and prescribe meds? Where or what is the follow up? And that's just for meds! What about therapy? They have group and individual therapy for 72hrs. How is that enough time to build trust enough to actually open up?
As a mental nurse in FL it can be a first step. There isn't just a mental health problem in FL its all over the US. We have come along way but we have a long way to go. Look at the 2 recent cases in NY and TX. Had that teen been baker acted maybe 19 babies wouldn't have lost their lives. And look at skid row in California, there are alot of homeless kids on the streets. Fighting alone in silence. With technology, covid lock downs and politics today its no wonder these things are happening. Our country is failing its innocent in many ways. ✌❤
@@wholesomekeanureeves9466 thats not true at all. benzos (assuming thats what you mean) do offer rapid relief from the symptoms of anxiety but it doesn't help in the long term at all and if it is overdone in any way it can easily make it worse. becoming dependant on tranquillisers isn't a cure
I have a friend who tried to off himself and got baker acted without insurance. His medical bills bankrupted him and he ended up homeless for 9 months.
Do you think those people want to think about that no , the people in the industry want the best for these children and some will take them on as if they were there own.
Scallie It’s not the first time the father has been in that situation. I’m sure he knows this won’t be the last time his daughter wants to commit suicide. There are probably other underlying mental issues with his daughter. A teenager with mental issues is w challenge
And that for free lol Looks like journalists talking to the victims of the medical system is the best healthcare the victims of the healthcare system get.
Wow I worked in this facility. I can tell you right now these children don't get the services they need. Since its not designed to be a long term solution they specialize in expediting "triage". Many employees are pressured to be fast paced so they are unengaged with the clients because like the manager in the video theyre too busy typing and staring at their computer screens. One way we can see better outcomes in cases like these is too put less emphasis on money and focus more on having real conversations with these children. .
Totally agree. How can we come up with better solutions for these kids?? AA and DAA programs are usually free and help alcoholics and drug addicts talk through their problems together while having support from people they can relate to. I don't remember those meetings needing money. Why couldn't we try something like that? Something has got to give.
These children need a long term mentoring program. This was a natural process from parents and family but the family unit is stressed, over worked, or fractured. We need to raise taxes for better services, increases wages and make vacation mandatory, and universal healthcare.
@@JabberJelly damn hope you doing better, i got some intense struggles goin on myself. This vid makes me want to volunteer and just take some time to listen to these kids/people without some crap advice sitting on the tip of my tongue. A lot these people, i think, need a connection, real raw spiritual, and just listen for a while.
The guy's questions to the kid at 19:57 was incredibly unprofessional I think, "so let me ask you this though, so you have no friends?" ... and then he dismissed his online friends as "invisible" or "virtual". Very closed minded and out of touch with how the modern child's social circle includes online friends (which can be, and often are, very real)
@Ryan North If your job is to work with kids who are already struggling, it is your JOB to understand where the kids are coming from. Some grandpa on the corner thinking like that is fine; I expect more from a trained professional
The "What's your plan?" part totally disgusted me. She's a child on lockdown in a mental health facility. Why the hell aren't THEY coming up with a plan for what to do when she gets out? There's also the part where she is clearly asking for help ("I've done what I needed to do to keep myself safe, but...") and her idiot mother's best response is basically telling her to man up. "So YOU have to build YOURSELF up and become strong." Putting 100% of the blame and responsibility for the problem onto the girl. Then, the equally stupid father chimes in "Well YOU have 72 hours to do it." because he refuses to help or support her either. Strong, emotionally healthy families support each other and get through things like that TOGETHER. HEALTHY families say things like "What can I do to help? Is there anything you need? If there's anything you want to talk about, I won't judge you, and I'm here. Focus on getting through the next 72 hours, and then we will talk to your doctors to make a plan when they have examined you. We love you, it's okay, you'll get through this." Those parents comfort each other more than they comfort their own child. Then, they blame the kid for their emotions "You know SHE doesn't have any answers to any questions, SHE doesn't know where her head's at... it's like, so what do we do?" You want to know what you idiots could do for your kid that wouldn't cost an arm and a leg? LISTEN to her. Stop blaming her, empathize with her, find ways to get her into activities at school that could give her supportive peer relationships, stop viewing her as the problem instead of someone who needs your support. There are SO MANY resources on the internet for free about how to be there for your child and other people who are going through things like this. If you talked to the school, they may be able to find resources like sliding scale therapists or group therapy. You have SO MANY things that you can do for free. But, you're so caught up in putting all the responsibility for the situation onto her that you are only focused on how her feelings impact YOU. Most parents worry about the cost of care for their children, but only bad parents act like that's an excuse for them to do NOTHING at all. Don't have kids if you're as self-centered, emotionally undeveloped, and irresponsible as those parents. It's sad that I'm probably less than half the age of those parents and know how to deal with that situation better than they do. I hope their daughter finds other people who will support her in the future because if that's the way they treat her when she needs them most, then I doubt they give a damn about her feelings normally. I hope some day she sees the comments on this video and realizes that's not the way most people would treat their friends, let alone their own children. And I bet that in the future, her parents will probably just say something like "We didn't know what to do. We did the best we could!" (doing nothing at fucking all and putting their responsibilities as parents onto the kid being the "best" they could do.) I really hope that kid makes it through all the bullshit her parents are putting her through. And if anybody actually read all this, go check out the Psychology in Seattle channel because he talks a lot about dysfunctional family structures and how to support people like Hailey who have been hurt by them.
thank you for this comment. as a person who developed BPD mostly because my family structure, it is a relief to see that someone out there understands that is not my fault.
The kid probably wants residential treatment because he wants to be in a community with other kids he believes he could relate to. Wanting residential implies hope and a desire to live. For a kid who consistently says he's hopeless, and doesn't want to live, seems obvious you should follow that route. He's trying to plant that seed. Sending out 1 counselor who is over 50 years old to visit his house misses the point. Seems the product of bureaucratic/financial considerations.
also working with parents at home is great. But it seemed that the counselor and the mom were part of a "team", it felt as if he was just trapped between his mom and that counselor. definitely not going to help much. if i was him i would feel the need to stay in a defensive mindset because i would feel that there are two people trying to do something with me when i am in a very anxious, stressed and "week" position. That situation didn't look very nurturing and safe.
There's also power in a change of scenery - a refreshing viewpoint in an area dedicated to helping you and where you don't need to hide was something I felt he wanted, and I wish she just said "as much as I want to send him there, I just can't afford to." But no, she even said she didn't believe it could help him at all. It's okay to have reservations, but can't you try to see his vision?
I had parents that were so disconnected from me and a high school that didn't care I almost gave up. Still to this day I don't know what kept me in the fight but I feel for these kids.
Chris: I need a residential stay or it's gonna get worse His mom: no *things get so bad he gets arrested and jailed Wow I wonder what could have prevented that
Brooklen wits YES! I was so frustrated hearing this. The fact this child is SCREAMING out for help and has the capacity to voluntarily identify he needs inpatient help, and mom selfishly wants to “explore all options first” - I knew when I heard that as this episode progressed - that kid would get farther & farther into his depression and cries for help. So frustrating watching this
Autumn Bray the point it all the comments and trying to make it seem like the Mum is dumb and doesn’t care, but she literally can’t afford that care..it’s insanely expensive and she was probably too embarrassed to say that
Anna Jolie and what I, and many others are saying, is that insurance doesn’t make a difference when your kids life is at stake. And money REALLY doesn’t matter if your kids life is at stake. Even if they don’t commit suicide then they’re still setting the kid up for failure! If you’re suffering with depression SO badly that you have to be Baker Acted then the likelihood of being able to get good grades in school is slim. Without good grades it’s harder to get into college and without college they have a bigger chance of not being able to get a better job in the future. You’re not just screwing their life up now, but also potentially for the rest of their lives.
I believe all Chris wanted was attention. To be cared for, to be listened to, to relate to people, to have friends, to socialize, and to heal. I think a residence program would have helped him a lot.
Well put. That is definitely the core of any of these teens' needs. The absolute lack of the above is what puts them in these mental states. Especially listening, that's where healing starts.
Seems to me that he was trying to work the system so he could get the residence program. Not saying that it would not help, he obviously needs some real help.
*people with mental health issues* : " I got 72 hours then what? Go into debt to save myself?" *Politicians/Legislators that don't support healthcare for all* : "Well someones gotta pay." Oh man I feel for these kids.
You consider taxes theft but I and most people do not. We like roads being built and water being delivered through pipes and a military. And also you act as if suicides never happened before the invention of video games and the internet... Get back to me once you are actually connected to reality and not just making shit up that suits your views on life.
@@hellzshotgun the West is degenerate and because of this suicides and overdoses are sky rocketing.. yeah you like roads and public services that's ok I guess but it never stops there does it? You want the people to be bleed dry to look after those who will only grow in number under a system of liberal degeneracy. Why don't you get back to me when you stop seeing the world through a 1850's political lense.
@@jeremykaleschenkoikov6993 as if the poor are going to be taxed to pay for free healthcare, the taxes will be on the rich and on corporations who currently avoid tax. the current effective tax rate for the top 1% is 18%!! if we raise that to 1950s levels we can easily pay for healthcare
crimeangothic EXACTLY! People just refused to remember that before the rich used to in fact pay their fare share in taxes and now they don’t so that’s what’s hurting the middle class and the economy in general
Yup. My doctor keeps trying to put me on meds. I tell them. “I’m homeless. Alone.and struggling to survive. I’m supposed to feel unhappy about this. The only way to feel good about this would be to completely Destroy my capacity to think. And that certainly won’t help my poverty”
I don't feel hopeless. I feel optimistic. In a sense I was "saved" but not by Jesus (though I think he was a pretty cool guy if he existed) but by scientific analysis of the world as a whole. Some call it Marxism but a lot of anti-Marxists do the same thing.
That's exactly how I feel. People are dying because people can't agree on something that should be common sense and the greedy and corrupt are winning. What's the point of trying if your just going to be beaten down by horrible people
*mother crying*: I just don't know what to do, there's nothing I can do to make him better. Son: I need 24/7 care! Mother: no. (This is what I got from this video)
I've been hospitalized twice and that first conversation that girl was having with her parents was too real. These facilities should give parents resources just as much as their children, because parents don't know what to do or how to help.
Omg yes this. This comment made me almost cry. My mom says you gotta Force yourself to get better. But that doesn't help me. Telling me oh you gotta Force yourself to do stuff you don't have energy to do doesn't help someone with depression. Like I'm not freaking lazy . I'm unmotivated, I'm exhausted 24/7, I'm not sleeping, I'm freaking depressed and horribly anxious!
Exactly. Everyone on here is like "the parents are the problem". But handling your child's mental illness is damn near impossible. Parents don't know why the kids are truly acting like that. Is it lack of attention? Is it loneliness? Is it not being hard enough on them to take responsibility? Is it being too hard on them? It's hard to keep your own mental health together let alone your vulnerable child's
I was thinking sweden had bad mental health support. But Jesus christ America is on a new fucking level mabey the shootings arena becouse of your trash Gun freedom but now om thinking its becouse of your mental health support.
Am I the only one who sees that these kids who get baker acted and spend time in these 72hr facilities should stick together? They all seem a lot happier when they’re surrounded by each other. Chris said himself that he has no real friends, but he clearly does have friends in those facilities who “miss [him]” whenever he leaves. Sometimes the best therapy comes from peers
exactly. it's probably the best support system for them because they're able to build each other up and better themselves. but as we see with this video, healthcare has been privatized and families are going broke simply to help their kids with something they can't control.
It depends. It can be beneficial to have a support network, but it also has the potential to be a risk if something goes wrong. They would probably be at higher risk of suicide-contagion or similar problems.
It was proven a long time ago that keeping mental patients together in groups over long periods of time makes it even more dangerous and potentially violent to the community and society at large.
For most of history people with mental illness would just be sent to the same prison as all criminals; it’s better now but the same mentality is still alive unfortunately
I live in Florida and witnessed it first hand at my job. I had to work at the Behavioral Health part of the hospital and what I witnessed really upset me. We need change badly!
In Florida, these are just treated by the Police as concentration camps for the Homeless. Case in point is Lakeside Alternatives in Orlando. I've known folks who worked and were held there where people working there randomly physically attacking patients with no consequences was not unheard of (and quite the norm.) The hospitals now are not much different (if not worse) than the Sunland hospitals they replaced in the 1980s. I would not be surprised if other facilities (like this one, when the cameras are not rolling) have many similar stories. Mental health care in FL is terrible for most everyone.
And not to mention there’s a huge shortage in mental health workers because half of us had to leave school because of the crippling amount of debt we are in trying to BE a counselor or psychologist.
I live in Florida, and I know it sounds crazy but from what I've witnessed and gone through myself, the Baker Act only scares kids away from expressing if they have suicidal thoughts. You can't talk to a counselor about it without it being threatened to you. Kids want help, they don't want to be taken against their will as if they're criminals just for mentioning they think of death. We need equal access to therapy, this isn't effective.
Why isn't anyone looking into the fact that he thought he needed pepper spray to get through a school day? Who was bullying this kid? The real questions weren`t answered here.
What you mean like.. try to use the process of our judicial system in a school to provide our youth with exposure to how our legal systems work, and show to our youth that we can protect them and their rights using a working system? That's crazy talk.
im chris's sister and he took his life two years ago im trying to spread the word because he didn't deserve what he went through. It was basically everyone, kids on the bus, in his classes, even kids in our neighborhood. he'd been robbed at a 7/11 at gunpoint. pistol whipped by some kid in our neighborhood. hit by a car while riding his bike to school. he never had it easy and could never catch a break. his need were ignored and he stayed at the park in our neighborhood smoking and drinking every day.
i saw that too... was very distressing. and when their daughter was asking for solutions and the mom was just like "well have you thought of any?" i was shocked....
Putting all the pressure on a kid who is struggling already. Wow. I understand the money issue; that could be eased if we VOTED in people who cared more about healthcare than profits.
He literally told them what he needed, he needed residential care, its the best out there. For some people (including myself) it takes 24/7, around the clock care in order to get better.
And you could see how he was in desperate need of meeting people with the same struggle, as he clearly said so himself. "The main thing is to keep you safe." I don't think that is a great message to a suicidal person. It translates to "I don't care about your pain and suffering. Your family's feelings about your mental health and suicide are more important."
My friend, James, took his own life my sophomore year of high school. We were only 15. Now I am an adult and sometimes I weep at the thought of never seeing how his life would have played out, what he'd be my like at my age, etc. I wish we had better mental health resources in our communities. I am so grateful for those workers who dedicate their lives to this and I feel for the parents who have to deal with this alongside their hurting children. Love your way.
only 15??! wow his whole life ahead of him. What do u think is the problem? is it the environment? pressure of parents and society of who u ought to be? i have a brother who is going to be 16 and i would die if he ever did something like that. Society is sick and values more being strong independent materialism money etc. this world is a gutter
"I will identify 2 ways how killing myself will affect my family and friends" - Why would you even think it's ok to ask a suicidal teen that question? A lot of teens are suicidal specifically because they have little or no friends and their family doesn't care about them. And I know they don't have to choose that option. But passing on that one means they have to pick "I will identify 2 people I can talk to when I have thoughts of hurting myself" which holds the same problem.
It's a thought exercise. I've been institutionalized 3 times. They ask that to see the degree of suicidal ideation. Thinking about suicide as an option and planning it out are two very different things. I didn't like getting baker acted. It sucked. However, they start you on meds, immediately, under medical supervision. It's stressful and sometimes traumatic, sure, but the whole point is to start getting care and learning the small steps towards recovering from those low points in life.
It may seem jarring, but i think the point is to allow the patient to have process-style thought patterns. When you're in a crisis, your mind is not operating normally. Things may seem very black and white. And being asked to come up with the answers for certain types of questions, gives pause to urgent thoughts of self harm. Sort of like being told to take a few deep breaths when panicking. It doesn't resolve the situation, and can sometimes even be irritating to be told that in the moment. But if done, it really can help to reduce the racing thoughts and the heightened physiological state your body goes through during panic. It can sometimes be similar for the line of questioning asked of suicidal patients. The goal is to break the loop of crisis level thoughts, into one more reflective. It's not meant to heal the patient. That can't be done in short holds. The goal is to stop the crisis-- stop the sauce from boiling over the pot--in order to give time & space for the patient to reflect on what exactly they truly want and need.
See how she said she didn’t want to burden anyone? That is such a real feeling. People need to realize that is with these mental health disorders aren’t interested in attention or pity, we just need understanding and support. Thankful for this program.
they're there to make money not help anyone. color is the last thing on their minds. cheerful place to be crazy? riiiight. they'll hold you down for a shot of some nice peaceful meds maybe.
As someone that got baker acted after a bad reaction to new antidepressants. I was forced into staying for the weekend, and the staffers/people staying in the facility were treating it more like a minimum security prison. Understaffed, over crowded and doesn't offer any actual time to sit and talk with a doctor that is over 5 mins. Gracepoint isn't a safe place for those with mental health needs, and they're SUPER under funded and under staffed
Similar. It was more of a prison. They made me take Zoloft and I had severe rashes within days of taking it. They made me anyway. Everytime they gave me my dosage, the staff also made me open my mouth to check if I swallowed.
This is a great documentary, but as a teenager I can tell you this level and frequency of mental crises among youth is definitely happening in more than just Florida
Florida is hot and not much to do and drugs and homeless people are all over. Most crazy shit happens in Florida so I would say it prolly does happen more in Florida
@@stagqueen907Then why in the title is it specifically saying it’s a Florida problem instead of just saying it’s a national issue? Just say it’s happening in different states across the country, what’s the focus on Florida for?
and once again: wft america??? imagine having to take your own child out of a treatment, they feel like is helping them, cause you cant afford it. breaks my heart
And think about how many of those kids in there have toxic and abusive family at home. When I was suicidal from my abusive family, my treatment center was a ray of light simply because I didn't have to be home with those people. I was devastated to find out there weren't resources and funding to keep me in for longer than one school semester. Sending kids back home to what makes them sick to begin with.
@Ramen Lover any sources on that? I've been in the mental health industry for a while and though european countries fare better in terms of healthcare for low income folks, I've heard that mental healthcare has become a huge issue in several european countries. The UK's NHS in particular only allows intensive outpatient services to the most severe cases and that the process is arduous. But yeah, if you have any info on that, it would be great because I'm not seeing anything that says that.
@@FJxJongno3ga well, yes, idk about every country in the world but im swdish and been both in and out patitent for almost ten years. its not always top tier and ive been to places that straight up sucked, but its at least there
@@vigdis628 for sure. I mean Sweden benefits from having a small and fairly wealthy population though. I live in LA and the metro population here has 3 million more people than Sweden. Also, a homogenous population that mostly agrees with each other helps as well. Things like this are a federal problem and unfortunately, we still have wealthy corps and rural America that have lobbying and voting power respectively and think universal healthcare is the devil. Medicare pays for mental health services in certain places like California (even past 30 days for inpatient sometimes) but places like Florida don't. But things are improving in terms of attention to and research for mental health in the US as compared to where we were in the past. The research universities in the US are at the forefront of breakthroughs in mental health and that in turn helps the global community. Anyways, I digress but I'm very interested in this topic and have spent the better part of my life working in the mental health industry.
Everyone: "More gun control!" Conservatives: "No!" Everyone: "Why?" Republicans: "Guns aren't the problem! Mental health is the problem!" Everyone: "Okay, are you going to help us increase funding for mental health?" Conservatives: "No!"
@ they are supposed to be locked! They shouldn't be working, they aren't mentally strong and mess up things. They should be at home or some where else.
Damn this hit home. I got baker acted 3 times too when I was 16 and the follow up was horrible. Thank God my parents had good insurance. The fact the state forces people in but doesn't provide a payment plan is atrocious. Especially when you consider the average florida salary is lower than most states. There needs to be a better support for us
Why is mental health care so expensive in the USA? I don't understand. In Belgium a visit to a psychologist is very affordable, even if you go private and don't have any insurance at all. Do American psychologists just want to earn humongous amounts of money or is there a reasonable explanation for this? 🤔
@@riaannesimoens Capitalism. Simple as that. Only money matters. If having huge numbers of people killed is what it takes to make a profit and to make money, then that's what it'll take.
I was specifically held at Tampa's Gracepoint a few years back and it was traumatizing. This video was a difficult watch. It's foggy to remember my arrival. What I do recall is being transferred by an ambulance, having my belongings get taken away and being forced to sit at a table for hours. If you hadn't just arrived, you were either out of it or asleep. Little interaction was permitted. We had no freedom to move around. You were constantly threatened that you would get sedated if you made a wrong move. I remember this young girl arriving and she was crying. I was yelled at for going to sit next to her and attempt to comfort her. I felt for her since I was crying upon arrival as well. No staff or fellow patient came to me either. On my second day, the staff were doing reports and were taking kids into a room individually. When it was my turn, they mocked me, called me a liar and a burden to my family. When you weren't sitting at a table or stuck in a dark room with beds full of strangers, you were in a small caged court with one ball to be shared. I don't know if this was for the camera or it has changed. I had to return to the location recently for papers and I found out the exact section of Gracepoint I was held at is no longer there. I could go into much further detail but this would become far too lengthy. I remember the rooms, the food and many other details vividly. I'm sorry for rambling as it is. I hope none of these children have a remotely similar experience and recover with time. They are not given that in these facilities. (And VICE should've protected their privacy. They are minors. Poor editing choice.)
* Another note is staying there I believe costed my family a couple grand. A price to pay for an experience that did nothing but damage my mental health more. I do not blame or resent anyone who brought me there. I 100% blame Gracepoint and anyone who has power over the system.
@@JabberJelly I'm so sorry that you had to suffer through that. After my own experience, hearing your story doesn't surprise me in the slightest. How horrible is that. I hope things are shaping up for you. I'm grateful you're alive to tell this story, even if it is a horrifying one. You have my support. Thank you for taking the time to respond. 💙
I feel for you. I have a very similar story. The staff was incredibly rude to me. They thought that because I came from a “stable” background that I should have good mental health. One nurse told me that I would eventually end up back there and that crushed me. It’s something I think about to this day.
On like my second or third day at a mental hospital in Santa Rosa, the workers found a vape, and all of the patients in my section had to go in a room with a nurse, strip naked, while another nurse checked our room. We were all blamed and treated badly. The vape, as i found out later, was from a patient who was discharged the day before 😕
yes every parent pretends like their kid is immune to mental illness. If you aren't will to help in any and all aspects while your child is a minor you have no business to be having kids. Why purposely raise a family with little funds in your savings? That's stupid to me. And I don't wanna hear anything about "accidents". Also, some moms are spiteful and won't let the son live with his father EVEN WHEN THE SON WANTS JUST THAT.
What about the teenagers taking responsibility? When your a teen you understand right from wrong unless you are mentally handicapped. At 16 you are litterally only two years away from being a grown person, at which point you are responsible for all if your actions. Parents can be there for you your whole life, but they can't make your choices for you. At some point you need to understand you will be grown up soon and responsible for yourself. These kids weren't 10 years old
Psilocybin saved my life. I was addicted to heroin for 15 years and after Psilocybin treatment I will be 3 years clean in September. I have zero cravings. This is something that truly needs to be more broadly used in addiction treatment.
Please does anyone know where I can get them? I put so much on my plate and it really affects my stress and anxiety levels, I would love to try shrooms
I'm 16 and live in Florida. We all use the term "baker-acted" for this. I know so many kids including myself who are afraid to speak up about how we are suicidal cause we know that we'll be baker-acted. Our state is failing us.
I wish being baker acted wasn't a police thing cuz it's very discouraging to be handcuffed and bullied by the police before you get to go to the hospital and get bullied by other patients :/
Former broward kid here, 10 years older than ya. I made it out of state a couple years ago but even before that, I can promise it gets better. If you’re able to find a community of like-minded people amongst all the brainwashed folks, you will survive being in it. You may have to advocate for yourself like hell when it comes to important stuff like healthcare and job opportunities, but it does get better.
as a mentally ill high schooler in this state, this state has a very terrible lack of resources and care for the mental health of teenagers and people in general
"I used to think that the worst thing in life was to end up alone. It's not. The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel alone." - Robin Williams
Isn't it ridiculous that parents have to think about the money instead if the kids? Affordable healthcare and a proper support system is important for this too! Bloody hell.....
Thats what I was thinking. In the netherlands people don't even think about this type of stuff because insurance just covers everything and everyone has the mandatory health insurance. And sure maybe theres a waiting list, but having the insurance will also prevent it from getting this bad. AND you dont get opiods described. We also pay 35% tax over our salary, taxes will increase overal development in a country.
@@newcomixx Last I checked, suicidal ideation doesn’t care about waitlists, if you make someone wait even a few days when their suicidal, for care, their chances of killing them selves increase drastically. Also, taxes do not lead to development, innovation and investment do, last checked, the government wasn’t responsible for antibiotics, the light bulb, internet, or iPhones.
I got baker acted when I was 14 in Hillsborough county. Grace point to be exact. Grace point is definitely playing it up for the cameras, it is underfunded and understaffed the food is dog food. We were all kids and yet you feel like a prisoner rather than getting mental health help. I went to one therapy session after where my parents sat in and it was awful. Never went backed or asked for help after until now that I’m an adult.
As a teenager who has been diagnosed with depression, it is indescribable how frustrating it is to have such a crippling, miserable, lonely condition all while being failed by the system.
@Hey There It's not a specific reason causing my depression, it's just a state of being. Meeting up with people won't cure it, it just means I have to mask it. The feeling is really something that I can't put into words. The best I can describe it as is just an existential feeling of loneliness. I know I'm not alone, I have people all around me. I have great friends, family, classmates and coworkers. I'm surrounded by great people who also think I'm a great person, but even so, I still feel alone. Not for any specific reason, the feeling is just... there. I guess.
Take up walking in nature, yoga, or meditation. Pay attention to your surroundings. Of course being inwardly focused and ruminating is unpleasant. That's never been a good way to live.
Not really. They make good money from their degrees but few psychologists and therapist can handle the absurd number of kids with these problems and stay sane themselves. It takes a level of stoicism and indifference uncommon in most people. Hence the shortage. To treat the mentally ill you have to be mentally ill yourself.
Lord Escanor it’s not stoicism or indifference therapists need - that would make for an ineffective therapist. Therapists learn to leave work at work or they risk burnout. In session a good therapist practices being fully present, receptive to emotions, and centered.
Yeah you said it look up fourwinds psychiatric hospital in West Chester Ny look at the thesis of horrible incidents that happened told in the google review and reddit reviews etc and it’s still open.
It's frustrating seeing these kids being talked to by parents and therapists who have no idea how to relate to them and thus are obviously clueless as to how to approach a solution. Psychology through a textbook isn't going to solve anything. These kids need to find purpose and people around them who can relate, and they want that. How the hell are their behaviors and thoughts going to change and improve if nobody listens to their needs. That kid is obviously not happy where he's at yet they refuse to treat him anywhere else. An old man with a degree in psychology sitting at his kitchen table isn't gonna help that kid.
It’s unbelievably touching to see these kids that are in pain themselves selflessly share their story hoping to educate and potentially help others in pain. They are so much stronger, smarter and more than they even realize. It’s already so obvious even in their young age just how much potential they have. Every one of these kids has a brighter light than they realize yet. God bless them and their honesty and strength and the kind souls that care for them and are helping them. 🙏🏻
those parents around 5:30 seemed much more concerned with their money and exasperated with their child. when I was in the hospital for my mental health it took two years for my parents to pay it off because it wasn’t covered by insurance, my dad told me he’d pay any amount of money to keep me alive. I feel for that girl.
@@patricknez7258 childeren dont suffer this is what happens when you have spoiled kids kids in mexico, india, africa, asia dont even have the privledge of going to school they would love to have the life these kids throw away
Morgan Hill Fight Club yeah but just like the kids going to school in Africa everyday, the kids in these situations also have to deal with socio-economical interactions.
This hit to close to home for me I've literally been in residential and that is the most supportive and safest environment why wouldn't you want that for your child who's struggling
the parents are so out of touch with the kid's needs. no adult in that situation was actually listening to what the kids were saying and then were surprised when the thing that didn't before didn't work again
I remember begging my parents for mental health help as a kid, and my parents denying it because of the expense, and also the taboo behind mental health care. Finally at 26 I got my own health insurance with mental health care. And by then my mental health has deteriorated a significant amount and I now have to work harder than ever to climb back to stable. Mental health is severely ignored in this country.
I'm so glad you are taking care of yourself, even tho that wasn't the behaviour that was modelled for you when you were young! It is a lifelong journey, but that feeling of getting to know yourself & give yourself care & compassion, of developing skills & resilience, self-trust, having those conversations with yourself--it's one of life's great joys. It can feel like a burden sometimes too, but you're worth it!
I've been to a facility like this 3 times. You feel like you're in a very low security prison. Absolutely traumatic for anyone dealing with psycosis or extreme depression.
I was commited. Each time i was given a different treatment (Gabapentin, seroquil, xanex, lithium, among others) and many different diagnosis. First time they concluded that I had smoked k2 or spice and that caused my extreme hallucinations that lasted for around a month. Second time they never gave me a solid explanation. (Only lasted about 2 weeks) They said again that I had smoked bad thc wax or the fake stuff, similar to last time, but then threw on mental disorders like bipolar, depression, and schizophrenia. Although never coming to a conclusion. The third time I went to that facility it didn't last more than two weeks but was much more extreme in the severity. I refused an IV, kicked a nurse and cried before they locked me in a small room at the emergency wing. Personaly I don't think synthetic drugs played any role in this what so ever. I believe it was the intense amount of stress I was feeling at the time that put my brain into overdrive that resulted in eventualy overheating in a horrible way alongside regular drug use. I could write much more on my experience, about the treatment, or just how our system treats people going through episodes like mine. I'm happy to answer any questions:)
0:40 this intake conversation is so cold that it’s scary. Can you imagine sitting in an exam room, describing one of the worst moments of your life to somebody who isn’t even facing you and who’s actively filling in some form on the computer?
If not for that form you won’t get anything. Someone with even less contact and more impersonal will decide whether or not you deserve help depending on that form’s contents.
Also theses are young impressionable youth at the end of the day, when that kid said "depression never goes away" it's a very negative thought process & makes me question what he actually learned at that facility. Having confidence to beat depression is key.
@@bobbyjohnson1086 some people really feel that it doesn't go away, it's possible to want to overcome the feelings that come with depression and become more positive, it depends on how you approach the sentiment that "depression never goes away".
Tina's baby It did if they kept him from harming himself or others _in the moment._ This is what the Baker Act was intended to do and so it has worked. The Baker Act (72hr holding) is not a treatment program or care facility. It’s a _band aid_ on a deep and gushing wound. Wounds need cleaning, and covering, medication, sometime require more invasive medical intervention or therapy, a clean environment to heal and monitoring. The rest is time AND...preventative care to help make sure it’s less like to happen again. This type of care is not on the grid for mental health and wellness. Sadly, I don’t think it ever will be. Not to the capacity needed. Especially in The States. Especially for our youth. 😓
Mental Health should be affordable. A magic pill does not exist. They need a lot of counselling. How can you learn to trust someone in 3 days, impossible. They need help to be reintegrated back to society and that takes time.
Chris’ Mom pissed me off. “You see your child suffering and there’s nothing you can do.” BRUH! He said he needed residential care. Then when that was denied he said he needed a therapist. Clearly neither of those things were provided. The basic thing you need to do is LISTEN TO YOUR SON. It makes me angry.
@@56658 im chris's sister and our adoptive family definitely had the money. instead of sending chris to residential care facility they sent me to one in orlando for three months when i didn't need or want to. unfortunately his needs were ignored and he took his life two years ago.
That's nice to hear, but there are many many people who said things like that, but do not act on it. Don't take this as me saying that you're wrong, I'm trying to say that with so many people on social media saying "I'd like to be their friend" but never try to, makes these kids in distress distrust people more. If you truly mean it, you have good heart :)
@@lee.as.in.l.e.e.7394 It's a little tough to actually initiate a friendship without looking like a stalker, especially since Ch,ris is underage. There's some information that can help a sleuth find his social media profile, but it could still be a dead end (especially if he's deactivated his social media profiles). I can only imagine his distrust/suspicion if he suddenly received a bunch of friend requests after this segment aired. For all we know, that kind of message could make things worse. I get the impression that he'd prefer to tell people who may be interested in meeting him how best to contact him (so he can have some control and structure in initial meetings).
@lotte lovelace Well part of that is the de-stigmatization of mental illness. Before this generation you would be ashamed to admit you had ADHD or depression and not try to get help.
Definitely not the only generation. But I think the prevalence is higher and increasing quickly in this generation. I’d bet that no other generation was so riddled with mental health issues in preteen, teen, and young adult years.
What makes this even worse is that some people believe that parents should be the only say in their kids education. I've watched the Vice U.S. Education System roundtable.
@@eyebleached CONTROL BY WHO THE INDIVIDUAL TEEN, THE PARENTS OR THE SYSTEM ? UNFORTUNATELY, I GET THAT, HAVING WORKED WILL CHILDREN AND TEENS IN THE PSYCHOLOGICAL HOSPITAL SETTING , RESIDENTIAL AND OUTPATIENT SETTINGS !
The way things look, if a earthling has a frontal lobe, they have the capacity for emotions. There are rainy days and sunny ones on this planet. What we've got to do is to delete walls of division that we presently call country borders. To disassemble the machines of destruction, and recycle the parts for better uses, machines of construction. People, animals, we all only got one life, not 9 of them, and certainly no afterlife to escape during a stormy weathers. Best to remove the elements that contribute to PTSD, to help prevent them from becoming C-PTSD. We should focus on letting automation remove our reliance on paper bank notes. Let it displace everyone from the factories and the fields, unless they want to devote their limited lifespan towards being productive, even though they don't have to because of automation. Machines can and will build themselves, though it take a global team effort to make it happen. A.I. is more honest than our politicians, and voters could be allowed to vote on each and every bill that passes or doesnt, rather than allow mismanagement that wastes everyone's limited time in 4 year segments. People should be allowed to be creative and in their own ways at their own rate if they want to, not because they have to, a better less restrictive world. A world without planned obsolescence causing stress inducing performance job security. We gotta vote more carefully, even the planet 'itself' is counting on that. I live with a neuromuscular challenge, and hope there will become a cure for it at some point, some point sooner, if not competeting against each country, and its not only about me, its about quality of life for all.
I was hospitalized after my freshman year of high school, after a mental breakdown due to overloading myself on courses. I admitted I had a plan to end my life to a family doctor and was admitted voluntarily into a teen inpatient mental health facility. I stayed for a little over a week and it was absolutely the safest and most eye opinion portion of my life. Being around other teens who I could relate to inspired me to pick activities back up that I had no interest in since becoming depressed. Art therapy was particularly beneficial for me, but group sessions were also incredibly inspiring. For once I didn't feel like a black sheep on the outside of the fence. The hospital was a safe space to adjust my medication dosages because I could be closely observed. To this day I'm still on the same medication, dosage and all, that was hand picked for me there. Obviously, depression isn't cured and I still struggle, but it's safe to say I've never been in a place as dark as I was then. My point is: I told my parents and doctor I needed to be hospitalized. They listened and it saved my life, and I wasn't even 16 yet. I'm 18 now and heading to college in August. Kids know more than you think, especially about themselves. Please, just LISTEN to them.
Wait. You had a mental breakdown due to being overloaded with courses, right? And for that you need to take medications?! It seems, that they helped you in wrong way. Instead of teaching you how to handle the problems and solve them by yourself, they just feed you with meds to numb you.
I had a similar experience- stressed about school, told someone, stayed a week at a hospital and got meds and therapy and thought it all helped. It was a great experience and it changed my life outlook for the better. But it didn't ~fix~ anything for me. I attempted again and went to a different, less helpful hospital. I had a slew of awful therapists. I kept procrastinating and my performance in school got worse and worse and worse. And now here I am today. The story isn't done yet. I've failed prerequisite courses for the ones I am taking now, so... might get kicked? idk
I also was placed on a 72 hour hold when I was 19 and I also thought it was a very beneficial experience. I met others I could relate to and I was able to express my feelings without judgement in group therapy. I loved my time there.
Those parents make me sick. They literally treat thier own child like a burden and like a problem. That is what I'm seeing and hearing about a lot of parents these days. This is why there is a whole generation of young people who are depressed and suicidal. Parents need to take responsibility And stop pushing the blame on everything but themselves. The mentality of "it's everyone else's fault but mine" is destructive to the person and the people around them and in their lives.
"have you come up with a solution?" it's like my mother or my ex was speaking to me when i was at my worst and didn't know what to do. how awful that feeling is, to be burdened with the overwhelming feeling of being in pain, and hearing stuff like that. i wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. that poor kid, jesus.
Because legislators (of all parties) are like "Private sector gotta private sector, y'all! Pass the Kobe beef while I decide which prisons to privatize next, lolz".
Awful parenting, and I hate to say that about anyone. But they are more concerned about losing their house than losing their daughter. She's going to have to raise herself. Hopefully, she can get some good counselors to lead the way.
@@jjcoola998 parents needs to learn to keep concerns and life worries to themselves. Children needn't know parental issues and problems. I know her parents have told her their issues because she acts as if she's a burden. Seriously. It's a rule of good parenting to always be a safe space for your child. Parents need to be very careful about discussing financial issues with their children......health care in this country needs to become more affordable and her story within this clip speaks to that issue.
You really shouldn’t ever talk about financials in front of your kids. It really fucks up how they view their own lives, they end up thinking money matters more than them
ISTG this doc has made me cry more than almost anything I've seen in recent memory. It's just heartbreaking to see so many people who are younger than me (I'm 19) go through this stuff and be misunderstood and short changed by both their parents and the system. This video also touched me since ove so struggled with mental health in the past and still do occasionally though I never wanted to kill or physically harm myself. As such, watching the parents in the beginning hug their kid with concern made me break down since I've been the kid in that situation before(well at home). Case and point, I just want to say that this was amazingly well done. Last but not least, for anyone struggling, one coping mechanism I recommend is taking up an artistic hobby of some sort with some type of learning curve since practicing and getting better can be incredibly rewarding and eventually creating can be extremely liberating. While this mechanism isn't right for everyone, I can personally say that playing drums/percussion has helped my mental health a lot over the years(I started when i was 10 or so), especially when I began to practice more seriously during my junior and senior years of hs while also falling in love with genres like jazz, funk, blues and latin. My point with that is that once you find something you like and work a lot towards it, it can be extremely rewarding and help a lot with darker mental spells but everyone's different so your coping mechanisms may be different😊
Pharmaceutical companies ought to be ashamed a child overdoses on pills get you checked in to a clinic and get prescribed more pills anyone else see a problem here
The Watcher a company producing antidepressants holds absolutely no responsibility for a kid overdosing on Xanax or painkillers. Most antidepressants have such a high LD50 that you’d need to down a whole bottle for mild issues.
I had an employer lie to the police and say I was suicidal to get me Baker Acted. I had got a serious injury at work and they wanted to get rid of me. I managed to get out early as I wasn't suicidal and I sued my employer and won. However, my experience in the mental hospital was very traumatic and I now have PTSD. I can't even imagine the damage it would do to somebody who was already mentally ill.
@@AussieDisneyGirl canadian here, we don't have alot of firearms either... and I too think it's great. Far less gun violence when guns aren't so readily available ✌.
Aussie Disney Girl except Alphonse Gangitano, Carl Williams, Andrew Venamin, Bandali Debs, Jason Moran, Mark Moran, Marcus Grayham, Nik Radev, Mark read and manny other notorious criminals whom trade firearms kill each other and cops as if they are children’s Pokémon cards being traded and having a battle. Firearm control doesn’t do much to prevent sales through the black market which is where criminals get there guns. It does effect your ability to protect yourself from these pricks though and you enjoy it. What kind of logic is that?
This VICE News Tonight special report, delves into the experiences of three families in crisis, each struggling with a child's mental illness, whose lives intersect for 72 hours at Gracepoint Wellness, one of the largest and oldest children's crisis facilities in Florida.
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Great documentary about depression and teens. Hope Chris I believe his name was gets help and overcomes his depression/anxiety. Wish there was more I and many other people could do to help him.
I hope that we can see an update for Chris in the future and that things improve for him. Is that something your team would be interested in pursuing?
VICE News you guys need to go undercover it’s not really like that it’s horrible there
Have you guys ever thought nothing is wrong with these kids? It's the parents fault and society fault? But ya if you blame grown ass people for what their are doing wrong they get mad. Better to blame it on kids.
@@livingdeadjake4228 Unfortunately, Chris will probably never get the proper help, all thanks to his shitty mom. We can all see the direction it's going--legal trouble, abandoned by the school system. I wish his mom would've just let him get the help he deserves.
Every adult here seems painfully disconnected from themselves, even before the children in need. So sad. We keep choosing the wrong heros.
Steven Williams troll.
STAFF BECOME DISCONNECTED BECAUSE IT IS HEART BREAKING IF YOU START BONDING WITH THE PATIENT :AND THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT BLADE IS THE PATIENTS NEED THAT BOND OF TRUST THAT HAND TO HOLD . IMAGINE DAY IN DAY OUT ALL YOU DEAL. WITH IS HOPELESSNESS YOU WANT TO SHAKE THEM GET A CLUE AND HUG THEM AT THE SAME TIME. AS A REGISTERED NURSE I NO LONGER WORK CHILD ADOLESCENT PSYCHOLOGY BECAUSE IT BROKE MY HEART AND THE FIRST THING MOST IMPORTANT THING THESE KIDS NEED IS NEW PARENTS ! PARENTS WHO WILL LISTEN AND NOT BE AFRAID TO BE HONEST WITH THEIR CHILDREN AND HUG THEM DAMN IT HUG THEM !
David Waelder these videos are NOT how they are in there believe me these people always have a second face
Capitalistic society. You have to give up a certain amount of humanity just to participate.
“We keep choosing the wrong heroes. “ great quote couldn’t agree more. With social media young people are idolizing the wrong people. We are seeing the real consequences of social media.
Chris: "I need residential care, I think that would really benefit me"
Mom: "I don't think that's the best option for him..he's only 16 he doesn't know what's good for him"
Yikes...there's a major issue in this mindset that just because he is a teenager, that he cannot take steps towards knowing what is best for him. Breaks my heart.
And that's why his behaviour got worse and worse, because he WASN'T getting the support he KNEW he needed.
Also doesn't help that from what I gather most insurance doesn't cover what he needs. Maybe the mom was too embarrassed to say she couldn't pay for it? It's just all f'd up.
Haley Weis
Ikr
Mother doesn't always know what's best
As a result, kid steals a gun, gets felony charges, gets expelled. Mother still refuses him care.
@@kataratify yeah i agree
"oh you're 16 you don't know what you need"
parents clearly don't know or understand what they're up against
And parents don't know either or else their kid wouldn't be in there.
These kids don't know what they need either. They probably gorge on sugar and are extremely deficient in simple vitamins and minerals, giving them no tolerance to stress or an opportunity to relax. Magnesium deficiency, look it up.
I can show you many anecdotes and even studies that show that simple mineral deficiencies can contribute to depression.
Just as well, long since we have gotten away from our hunter gatherer state of being, our diets have been cut off from our natural state. We don't have the physical support we used to get from our diets. This is one part of a big puzzle.
Kids need to be shown that the way forward is through self acceptance and also by fighting the negativity we feel inside through exercise or art. That pain is a part of life, it's very natural. But what isn't natural is that we have no ability to deal with from a neurological or biological standpoint.
@@DruneMusic if you were my parent and told me that, I would probably kill myself, because if this is how I'm supposed to feel I might just not live.
Ren tbh might as well
Brett Kulsavage you are ignorant.
Hailey's parents gave each other more emotional support than they gave their own child who was literally begging for it...
Or maybe they didn’t show that part .
They seemed instead to just drive home the fact to her that she's a burden and she's on her own
That's why she's depressed.bad bad parenting
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who reacted like that, Hailey seemed more mature than them...
we don't see everything and as a parent i understand you are trying to help them with tools and solutions- sometimes the problem is so big you are trying so hard to find a solution that you don't stop to just be there and present.
5:26 ....how the F is a 14 yrold kid supposed to come up with a plan to help/fix her depression....man this is juat heartbreaking!!
Yeah, her parenting kinda showed why she has anxiety
I relate to her in a way.
Yeah, that was disgusting. These parents played the victim in this situation. "What are we suppose to do, mortgage the house?" *mom chokes*. Absolutely disgusting. What that child needs is moral support and a commitment to just being around when they need it most. Worry about the potential institutionalization or medication later.
White people problems
Anders Bowe sounds about white
Kids: this is what I need
Parents & doctors: you don’t know what you need
PRETTY MUCH
That's what upset me about this specific case. The kid is telling them what he needs and they continue to not listen to him. Just highlights one of the major problems with teen suicide. People are hearing but not actually listening to these kids.
It's sad -- it's only the most outwardly troubled family member that gets looked at as the problem and sent to therapy and treatment, when in reality the kid is merely a symptom of a systemic familial system of lack of support and understanding. The whole family should be getting therapy independently of just the one kid showing the worst of the symptoms but because he's the one the least able to cope he's singled out and made to feel like a burden and a problem, all the while the authoritative figures in his life don't listen to him when he's telling them what he wants/needs. So infuriating!!
@@Cordial_Lump As a mother, I will let y'all know, those shitty parents don't represent all of us. Just like as a mother, if my daughter ends up dealing with depression or anything of that matter, I will even scrap change and as much money as possible so I can get her the proper treatment and help her in the best way possible. So she knows that she's not alone in this and that when she goes through things, we go through it together. I get upset when I see kids being ignored by their parents when they tell them they're not OK mentally or emotionally and that they need help. I hate piece of shit parents that bash them or make them feel like they don't have anyone to talk to. Then they wonder why suicides happen.
Exactly! This was very frustrating to watch.
In the 1 minute the father was talking I got the feeling he was a source of some of his daughters issues.
I agree, he acts the same as this one father I once knew
Looked like there was way too much responsibility being pressed on her for her age and what she's going though. You can't solve a mental health crisis in 72 hours, it's impossible. Healing is possible but it happens over years. Asking someone that is dooming them to run that demand through their head the whole time they're there and taking away the chance to make real progress.
I'm sure it was both the parents, neither seem responsible in the way that they just both are clueless as to the state of their daughter's mental health. You should be in touch with those things are a parent.
"Have you thought up a plan? have you thought up a solution?" Jeeez, asking a KID IN DISTRESS to problem-solve their own mental health issues isn't going to get you very far.
People who wear "affliction" style graphic-tees into their 30s and 40s should not be allowed to have children lol
Chris: I need residential care
Mom: No you don't.
Chris: *gets worse*
Mom: *cries* all I can do is pray
To be fair, we don't know the circumstances surrounding the situation. It could very well be that she doesn't have the means to offer it to him, or that it's just hard for her to process all that happened. We're seeing just a sliver of the full picture of their lives.
@@ongogablogian1876 I agree - residential care when not properly run can be dehumanizing.
@@alligator5889 agreed. The issue will probably always be fraught..
Residential care made me worse from the abuse, most are abusive!! Therapy didn't help, meds made a zombie. Daily mindfulness meditation healed my ptsd, anxiety, depression, anger and helped me in many other ways as well.
Ask an asian kid whats a real dipression is
Everything wrong with Hailey's parents:
At the beginning of the conversation, we see a desperate, anxious, and vulnerable Hailey crying and pleading for help. She knows she needs treatment and she wants something done about it but her parents are resisting
5:18 "So now you have to build yourself up and become strong" this is a backhanded piece of advice. The mom is actually putting blame on Hailey, saying she was too weak to stop her suicide attempts
5:23-5:28 Notice the father's tone. Very condescending, very terse, very dismissive. He's using this tone to express his exasperation with this whole process. He believes it is a phase or that Hailey is "acting" for attention
5:29 The mom is essentially doing the same thing here. Her saying "we don't have to figure this out right now" is in confrontation with Hailey's desire to get help and receive treatment. She wants this to be over just as much as the father does
5:40 "have you thought of any plans?" Classic manipulation tactic. Hailey's mom is shifting all of the responsibility and by extension blame for the current situation over to a distressed and confused teenager. She likely has problems taking personal responsibility.
6:00 "She doesn't know where her heads at is the dad essentially confessing that he thinks his daughter is lost and confused. Almost as if he thinks this may be puberty related.
These parents clearly have no idea how to raise a child with mental health issues, likely because their country upbringing had no mention of it at all. They're taking the "walk it off, it'll sort itself out eventually approach", when in reality they should be looking to directly intervene.
At the end of the day what they were saying was right.
Sadly I'm guilty of saying this kind of stuff myself. The constant worry that something bad will happen when a family member has mental health issues takes a massive toll on your own patience. Not saying It's right, but when suscepted to constant worry you get tired and start saying stuff that you probably shouldn't and projecting your own worry unto said family member. At the end you just want it to stop, maybe you even start disliking the person because you've told yourself that this is all their fault, and you hate the source of the worry.
Explaining away the medical reasons for mental problems and regressing to an attitude of "you're selfish for doing this to us, and it is your responsibility to stop being a crybaby" is in that case very easy and quite comforting. I don't think it has anything to do with low education or lack of empathy, I think it's a natural response.
Don't forget that mental health issues are hard for everyone, not just the person suffering from it.
@@bobbyguzman3058 "build yourself up and make yourself strong" is such a vague and useless piece of advice for a teenager struggling with suicidal thoughts. Parents shouldn't be telling her to come up with a plan on their own; they shouldn't be using their supposed superior wisdom and critical thinking skills to _support_ their kid and help them come up with a way to fix or confront her problems
@@hugogh3507 Oh definitely. There is a huge difference between someone who cannot get help and someone who refuses it. If you refuse it, the burden is on you. As a friend or family member, you are not obligated to put up with it anymore.
And the whole conversation goes out the window once that bill comes through... bottom line is that this poor girl will not get the support from anyone because the resources are too expensive to obtain. Thats really messed up. you have two parents who are too frustrated to and ignorant on how to help their child and a system that will not do anything unless it is paid up front.
Kids: I want to die
Parents: Don't forget that you're a financial burden
Yes but to be fair it's a shitty situation all around. A lot of families don't habe the money. You can't blame them for not giving up their homes to pay for therapy. The issue isn't the families, it's the government who doesn't help them.
@@pocketlinttreasures33 wdym "it's the government who doesn't help them" thats just dumb
ah yes I love it when my government preys on my decline health for commerce :)
@@kennypowers2341 the US is the only industrialized country in the world without a universal healthcare system.
@@asher_2789 my mother came from a country with free healthcare and no one went to the doctor for mental health problems or they would be placed in a mental institution and drugged to high Heaven
6:00 asking your kid what you, as a parent, should do is ridiculous. She’s broken and needs a hug, not an interrogation from her parents🤦🏼♀️
true...
Olivia B thank you, that’s exactly what I needed, and without that support I ended up with another 25 days in a baker act facility and finally a residential that only
Helped with two of my 5 diagnosis’s
That section is so fucking bullshit. "So, what's the plan?" The fucking plan? She's 14 IIRC, she's not going to have a plan. Be fucking responsible for your kid and learn about their illness instead of ignoring it and pretending that she just needs to buck up and form a plan for her life. She needs treatment and support, and you need to be the ones to formulate that plan for her. It's like they expect her to understand the US healthcare system more than they do. Seriously?
My parents were the exact same way. Ship me off to a psychologist for a diagnosis, and then once I'm diagnosed they refuse to learn anything about the diagnosis and expect me to get instantly better because I'm seeing a psychologist now. No, I need your support. This isn't how mental illness/disability work. Fortunately I eventually got short-term residential treatment, which helped immensely, but I still have a disability and a mental illness, and they still don't have any interest in learning about how they affect me. They figure that now that I've been to residential and seen a psychologist that I'll suddenly be completely normal, able to get a high paying, high pressure job, have a wife and kids, and get back to the way they used to see me when I hid my issues from them. No, it's not that simple. Sure, I'm not suicidal anymore, and for the most part I'm relatively happy, but my brain stops working in high-pressure situations and there's nothing anybody, including myself, can do about it. So help me.
Help your fucking kids, listen to them. Learn about them and the way their illness or disability affects them. Step up and drop your expectations about a perfect happy child, lose the fantasy. Meet them where they are, not where you think they should be. It's simple.
Lady asks whats your plan? Kid " im gonna kill myself u dolt
@@haileygotsis7875 That's what got me so upset. You were stressed out, in distress, you need help, but it felt like your parents wanted a quick-fast solution that someone else will give them, instead of trying to come up with a short AND long-term plan for you at this moment. If you had a solution, you wouldn't be asking for help. I found your scene the most distressing for that reason. My mother especially doesn't like to listen to what I have to say, is a major source for my distress, but when I just try to express another contrasting view or say "I don't know," etc., she keeps saying that there's something wrong with me and has only pretended to be supportive of mental health and is all "you're a great creation by god, I hope you have courage to be who you want to be" when I blow up at her, yet she's also like "you're not depressed, you're just avoiding reality, be strong and successful." I hate talking to her and she likes to act like the victim when she upsets me, and I only started searching for psychiatric help when she moved away from me. Thank you for sharing!
Chris was BEGGING to be helped. To be kept safe and be looked after by professionals. And that mother blatantly and ignorantly refused to see that he is telling her what is best for him.
I truly hope that she opens her heart to actually listening to her son and what he needs for his healing.
Going into residential treatment is not "running away from his problems".
She can’t afford it, I’m 99% sure that was the reaosn
The fact that she invalidates his concern and his needs because "he's 16" says more about her than it does about him. She is probably a major part of WHY he is experiencing what he is experiencing, because she is damn well the reason why he isn't getting the help he needs.
Lesson here, do not have children. You never know what could happen.
@@drakecarter1780 She has 3 kids and only 1 turned out to be a bad egg...if anything it shows what happens to a man when he is raised in a house full of women with no male role model.
@@businessofrhythm2315 I’m glad someone said it.
"Do you have anyone you can talk to about your suicidal thoughts?"
"I thought I did. They had me committed."
Pretty much, I have enormous amounts of people I know who the legal consequences of getting committed are significantly too steep for them to admit to others they have issues.
@@DeviantDespot Yup. I think the threat of being committed keeps a lot of people from getting counseling, too. I actually have access to free counseling, but I can't use it because I'd have to lie to the guy. I'm way to honest and nonchalant for therapy. haha.
I can confirm its an issue. I cant tell anyone I want to die without laughing it off as like a joke or something because god forbid they get me hospitalized. I just can't fucking afford it. Money is the reason I'm depressed and I'm depressed because I lack the motivation and will to go out and make some. Can't afford to live, can't afford to die, can't afford to express it.
I agree that you might not be able to tell a therapist that you're going to kill yourself without them contacting the authorities, but talking to them about WANTING to kill yourself or suicidal fantasies is safe. I mean.... unless the therapist knows nothing about doing their fucking job.
@@heyyou1911 It's so unfair that we're born into this world without our consent and then we're just expected to abide by the rules of it and be ok with the way this world functions, and expected to bust our asses to make money and be miserable to stay alive, it's not like we asked to be here. Then when someone hates the laws and hates the fucked up things in this society and world, and acts out or wants to die, they're either put behind bars or expected to work to make money for their own care.
The police being called in those situations sends the idea that being mentally ill is a crime.
I mean most state don’t have like a mental health line they can call and somebody can drive over there and talk to them. It’s much better to have someone one in person as the child could still go through with it and just hang up. There should be mental health therapist that work with the police but sadly we do have that
I have been baker acted quite a few times growing up. Most of which my parents called against my will and now I have PTSD level anxiety when police are nearby. I grew up trying different medications to help with bipolar Disorder, ADD, ADHD autism and depression, all of which never worked long term and barely for a month. Thankfully I was on Medicaid but I never truly was listened to. Every time I went I felt like I gotta fake it to try and get through the 72 hours as quickly as possible. Honestly halifax behavioral society in daytona beach, FL is purely unhelpful to say lightly. I wish I could actually do more to be able to help those who have mental health crisises and disabilities.
@@mattwhaley1865 I am so sorry you had to go through that. I hope you could find the right medication and mental health professionals to help you.
@@sierragoin863 I respectfully disagree, we have already seen that case where a mentally ill person was having a crisis and was killed by a policeman. The US police seem to have little to no training to deal with those kinds of situations.
Harming people is a crime. If people need to be removed from the situation to prevent from harming themselves and others then that’s what needs to happen.
Imagine a child going to one of those expensive places knowing that they are bankrupting their parents in order to try and heal... that alone would push most over the edge. Gotta love UhMerica.
Thats what I thought the whole time I was in a mental health hospital.
oh i mean in other countries those kids would not be given any help. America is probably the best country to be in to deal with mental health. I'm assuming you live there and are just so close minded that you don't realize how much privilege you have.
@@0IIIIII at least republicans didn't literally fight to the death to keep slavery. Honestly do just a little bit of research before using the word uneducated.
This weighed on me when i went through my own mental health issues, but once i expressed those feelings my parents said they would spend anything to save me. It hit me how much mean to people and helped me see my own self worth
@@ghostweathermusic The OECD lists the US as having the most expensive (% GDP) and the least comprehensive healthcare among developed nations. US has too much for profit bloat. Other countries objectively prove that universal healthcare is bettet
Yelling at an acutely depressed person going through it about What theyre Gonna Do to solve Their problem is insane & cruel. I get theyre not equipped & stressed about money but My Hod focus on the moment youre in & uh, she obviously has no idea how to feel better.
This country is so backwards in who is protected: the rich-versus vulnerable people.
Did you peep how they were hugging and consoling each other? No empathy for their daughter, but all the support in the world for each other. I hope they see this and recognize how terribly they are handling their daughters needs.
Remember... Florida man was once a Florida Kid
And the boomer just say they just need to toughen up and stop being snowflake, than shove them out to DIY for solution to their stress.
@@noirto2 that sentence didnt make any sence please retype
@@morganhillfightclub2996 its a stupid internet challenge u type in florida man then ur birthday and see what crazy shit people did on that day lol
@@morganhillfightclub2996 And the boomer just say "they just need to toughen up and stop being snowflake", than shove the gen Y out back into the world to DIY for solution to their stress.
@@noirto2 ohhh now I see what you mean sorry
"Most of these suicide attempts happen during the school year"
Wow i wonder why
DaRN KiDs tHiS DaYS
now take your comment from a year ago and times that time a billion, bc that is what we are doing to our children’s mental health by not putting them first in a god damn pandemic
@@Hartleymolly this comment is from a month ago...
i guess i’m an outlier lol i definitely feel worse over the summer, school kinda gives me something to do to distract myself
@@lauren7726 I agree! But I also think the routine that have during the school year only masks or distracts me from my distress rather than helping me cope with it.
I didn’t like how the dad was talking to his daughter “well 72 hours is all you got” you don’t say that. She’s clearly in distress right now
Lol why do you think she's suicidal? Not the best parents
Yeah, and he raised his voice to say it. He's being completely adversarial to his own child, when she needs compassion and understanding more than ever. I hope she is able to find a decent therapist that will help her work through being raised by such a toxic person, and how that has scarred and is scarring her.
I also liked that he exaggerates the cost of private care and then acts like "pfft, what am i supposed to do, take out a loan for my daughter's mental health?"
@@irrossistable im guessing you're not American, hes not even close to exaggerating
@@irrossistable What do you know about his financial problems? Maybe he barely makes ends meet to keep his family not get bankrupt. But you are eager to judge.
If anyone sees this comment Chris is my brother, we celebrated his memorial yesterday and he took his life September 1st. He was hurting really bad and watching this video is now the only way to see him or hear his voice. Please keep him in your prayers. Depression is real and serious.
I am so sorry for your loss and his suffering❤️
No one cares 😅😂🎉🎉🎉🎉
@@Monkhg go back to playing Lego Batman on the PS4 squeeker
Im so sorry
😢 Wish I was able to help your brother. I am very saddened to hear this. I am sorry for your loss & may God provide you and your family with patience and strength. 🙏
Chris’ mom makes me angry. He was clearly asking for long time care and she said “he’s 16 he doesn’t understand”. He understands he needs help and WANTS the help.
This is so incredibly sad...
Yes. She is selfish. She is trying to keep him home with family she can't let go. He is trying to DISTANCE himself from them into residential care to protect himself and his family. Poor kid...truly misunderstood.
Right!? Like, no lady, YOU don't understand
@@Sarah-or2zo thank god someone said it.
What if she can't afford it? What if he needs to learn consequences of actions, the value of life and freedom. I mean the kid is sixteen. At sixteen you should know right from wrong, you should have some understanding of life
girl: * talks about her problems *
therapist: * doesnt even comfort her* ok we will give you medication
this isnt therapy its just numbing them with meds so theyll be quiet. wtf.
Most therapists/doctors get paid everytime they prescribe pills. That's how the opioid epidemic started.
Unfortunately a lot of mental health care is like this. When I started seeing a therapist she referred me to a psychiatrist to get prescribed anti-depressants. I always wonder why they don't try harder to help you become better without medication. They treat medication like it has to be a part of someone's treatment.
Speaking from experience, throwing meds at the issue just makes things worse.
That's what psychiatrists do. I've been working with them since age 7. Your comment is the hard truth
@@isaacb5968 Same thing with my experience. I just became more depressed and suicidal and developed anxiety later on as well
It hit me "I am worried about the school. I am worried about the home." "Well we will prescribe you some medications." WTF?
Right? Where is the counseling that these kids need? I'd be asking her what's going on at home to make her worry.
Medication does not solve the issue. It is a temporary bandage to something huge.
People in the u.s. are too lazy so thats why suicide is popular!!
Speaking from experience-throwing meds at the issue just makes things worse.
They have 3 days to get someone from suicidal to not suicidal. Sometimes medication is all they can do. Its the system that sucks
when the teenage blonde girl said “i just don’t wanna feel like this anymore”...i don’t know why that one line hit me so hard. almost made me cry
God as someone who has struggled with crippling anxiety a lot of my life it breaks my heart when the girl in the beginning is describing how she feels
Hope you're doing okay, Ellie.
ls7orBust2 you should delete your comment because it is nasty and heartless
She's so right . You can't solve it in 72 hours, or 1x week therapy, etc. Even a medication change takes weeks
Some medication can act pretty fast like anxiety drugs,but i get your point
The medication aspect really scares and bothers me. Most psych drugs are studied on adults, not children or adolescents. Even in adults some medications can make symptoms worse or cause new issues. These kids are prescribed meds during a crisis within 72hrs!?! How is that enough time or the proper time to diagnose and prescribe meds? Where or what is the follow up? And that's just for meds! What about therapy? They have group and individual therapy for 72hrs. How is that enough time to build trust enough to actually open up?
@@ZoryuskaNott idk man all i know is meds can be life changing
As a mental nurse in FL it can be a first step. There isn't just a mental health problem in FL its all over the US. We have come along way but we have a long way to go. Look at the 2 recent cases in NY and TX. Had that teen been baker acted maybe 19 babies wouldn't have lost their lives. And look at skid row in California, there are alot of homeless kids on the streets. Fighting alone in silence. With technology, covid lock downs and politics today its no wonder these things are happening. Our country is failing its innocent in many ways. ✌❤
@@wholesomekeanureeves9466 thats not true at all. benzos (assuming thats what you mean) do offer rapid relief from the symptoms of anxiety but it doesn't help in the long term at all and if it is overdone in any way it can easily make it worse. becoming dependant on tranquillisers isn't a cure
I have a friend who tried to off himself and got baker acted without insurance. His medical bills bankrupted him and he ended up homeless for 9 months.
Wtf...
How much were the bills?
@@roxanateodora8874 probably several thousand
America seems like such a nice place
Wow! Most hospitals will work with you. Even $5 will keep it from going to the creditors
“You have a good support system around you and we’re here to make you feel better (as long as your insurance pays)”
Do you think those people want to think about that no , the people in the industry want the best for these children and some will take them on as if they were there own.
Boy. if I had a dollar for every time I had to deal with THAT issue!
Girl: we, specifically me, have a problem
Well whats ur plan
IF SHE KNEW SHE WOULDN'T BE HERE
Leia Jiang I think the parents are the main problem
Leia Jiang tbh you don’t really know how much effort are putting in.
@@KC-cb7ov idk, the father had this smirk about him that put me off, like he expects this 14 yo girl to "man up."
Scallie It’s not the first time the father has been in that situation. I’m sure he knows this won’t be the last time his daughter wants to commit suicide.
There are probably other underlying mental issues with his daughter.
A teenager with mental issues is w challenge
I know. Leave it to so called professionals to act retarded questions
This reporter did a better job giving chris someone to talk to and someone to listen too
And that for free lol
Looks like journalists talking to the victims of the medical system is the best healthcare the victims of the healthcare system get.
Wow I worked in this facility. I can tell you right now these children don't get the services they need. Since its not designed to be a long term solution they specialize in expediting "triage". Many employees are pressured to be fast paced so they are unengaged with the clients because like the manager in the video theyre too busy typing and staring at their computer screens. One way we can see better outcomes in cases like these is too put less emphasis on money and focus more on having real conversations with these children.
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Totally agree. How can we come up with better solutions for these kids?? AA and DAA programs are usually free and help alcoholics and drug addicts talk through their problems together while having support from people they can relate to. I don't remember those meetings needing money. Why couldn't we try something like that? Something has got to give.
These children need a long term mentoring program. This was a natural process from parents and family but the family unit is stressed, over worked, or fractured. We need to raise taxes for better services, increases wages and make vacation mandatory, and universal healthcare.
I worked here too...
The system must always run at full capacity to keep the investers happy. Rinse. Repeat.
@@JabberJelly damn hope you doing better, i got some intense struggles goin on myself. This vid makes me want to volunteer and just take some time to listen to these kids/people without some crap advice sitting on the tip of my tongue. A lot these people, i think, need a connection, real raw spiritual, and just listen for a while.
Chris was failed by the system. He asked for more help and was denied it not only by the system, but his own mother. May you rest in peace baby…
The guy's questions to the kid at 19:57 was incredibly unprofessional I think, "so let me ask you this though, so you have no friends?" ... and then he dismissed his online friends as "invisible" or "virtual". Very closed minded and out of touch with how the modern child's social circle includes online friends (which can be, and often are, very real)
Joel Martinez yes! Thank you for acknowledging this. I’m so disappointed in this man.
I agree. I thought he would be more understanding of the online friends and not dismiss it as fake or “invisible”. Shame on him
Old psychologists die hard
@Ryan North If your job is to work with kids who are already struggling, it is your JOB to understand where the kids are coming from. Some grandpa on the corner thinking like that is fine; I expect more from a trained professional
people you chat with online aren't the same as real friends. yeah the guy was rude but I think he has a point that everyone needs friends
The "What's your plan?" part totally disgusted me. She's a child on lockdown in a mental health facility. Why the hell aren't THEY coming up with a plan for what to do when she gets out?
There's also the part where she is clearly asking for help ("I've done what I needed to do to keep myself safe, but...") and her idiot mother's best response is basically telling her to man up. "So YOU have to build YOURSELF up and become strong." Putting 100% of the blame and responsibility for the problem onto the girl. Then, the equally stupid father chimes in "Well YOU have 72 hours to do it." because he refuses to help or support her either. Strong, emotionally healthy families support each other and get through things like that TOGETHER. HEALTHY families say things like "What can I do to help? Is there anything you need? If there's anything you want to talk about, I won't judge you, and I'm here. Focus on getting through the next 72 hours, and then we will talk to your doctors to make a plan when they have examined you. We love you, it's okay, you'll get through this." Those parents comfort each other more than they comfort their own child. Then, they blame the kid for their emotions "You know SHE doesn't have any answers to any questions, SHE doesn't know where her head's at... it's like, so what do we do?"
You want to know what you idiots could do for your kid that wouldn't cost an arm and a leg? LISTEN to her. Stop blaming her, empathize with her, find ways to get her into activities at school that could give her supportive peer relationships, stop viewing her as the problem instead of someone who needs your support. There are SO MANY resources on the internet for free about how to be there for your child and other people who are going through things like this. If you talked to the school, they may be able to find resources like sliding scale therapists or group therapy. You have SO MANY things that you can do for free. But, you're so caught up in putting all the responsibility for the situation onto her that you are only focused on how her feelings impact YOU.
Most parents worry about the cost of care for their children, but only bad parents act like that's an excuse for them to do NOTHING at all.
Don't have kids if you're as self-centered, emotionally undeveloped, and irresponsible as those parents. It's sad that I'm probably less than half the age of those parents and know how to deal with that situation better than they do. I hope their daughter finds other people who will support her in the future because if that's the way they treat her when she needs them most, then I doubt they give a damn about her feelings normally. I hope some day she sees the comments on this video and realizes that's not the way most people would treat their friends, let alone their own children. And I bet that in the future, her parents will probably just say something like "We didn't know what to do. We did the best we could!" (doing nothing at fucking all and putting their responsibilities as parents onto the kid being the "best" they could do.)
I really hope that kid makes it through all the bullshit her parents are putting her through.
And if anybody actually read all this, go check out the Psychology in Seattle channel because he talks a lot about dysfunctional family structures and how to support people like Hailey who have been hurt by them.
thank you for this comment. as a person who developed BPD mostly because my family structure, it is a relief to see that someone out there understands that is not my fault.
Grow up, the parents are teaching their kids RESPONSIBILITY something this pathetic weak generation lacks
@@madchenyt lmao stop blaming others for YOUR issues
The kid probably wants residential treatment because he wants to be in a community with other kids he believes he could relate to. Wanting residential implies hope and a desire to live. For a kid who consistently says he's hopeless, and doesn't want to live, seems obvious you should follow that route. He's trying to plant that seed.
Sending out 1 counselor who is over 50 years old to visit his house misses the point. Seems the product of bureaucratic/financial considerations.
also working with parents at home is great. But it seemed that the counselor and the mom were part of a "team", it felt as if he was just trapped between his mom and that counselor. definitely not going to help much. if i was him i would feel the need to stay in a defensive mindset because i would feel that there are two people trying to do something with me when i am in a very anxious, stressed and "week" position. That situation didn't look very nurturing and safe.
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The kid even says to the guy's face that he wants to be able to relate to someone.
Who’s gonna pay for it ? It should be free for children
There's also power in a change of scenery - a refreshing viewpoint in an area dedicated to helping you and where you don't need to hide was something I felt he wanted, and I wish she just said "as much as I want to send him there, I just can't afford to." But no, she even said she didn't believe it could help him at all. It's okay to have reservations, but can't you try to see his vision?
I had parents that were so disconnected from me and a high school that didn't care I almost gave up. Still to this day I don't know what kept me in the fight but I feel for these kids.
Me too ❤️
Chris: I need a residential stay or it's gonna get worse
His mom: no
*things get so bad he gets arrested and jailed
Wow I wonder what could have prevented that
Brooklen wits YES! I was so frustrated hearing this. The fact this child is SCREAMING out for help and has the capacity to voluntarily identify he needs inpatient help, and mom selfishly wants to “explore all options first” - I knew when I heard that as this episode progressed - that kid would get farther & farther into his depression and cries for help. So frustrating watching this
THE TRUTH IS SHE CAN'T AFFORD IT AND MOST INSURANCE COMPANIES WON'T PAY. CARE IS JUST TOO EXPENSIVE.
Camille Fedrick and your fucking point?!?!
Autumn Bray the point it all the comments and trying to make it seem like the Mum is dumb and doesn’t care, but she literally can’t afford that care..it’s insanely expensive and she was probably too embarrassed to say that
Anna Jolie and what I, and many others are saying, is that insurance doesn’t make a difference when your kids life is at stake. And money REALLY doesn’t matter if your kids life is at stake. Even if they don’t commit suicide then they’re still setting the kid up for failure! If you’re suffering with depression SO badly that you have to be Baker Acted then the likelihood of being able to get good grades in school is slim. Without good grades it’s harder to get into college and without college they have a bigger chance of not being able to get a better job in the future.
You’re not just screwing their life up now, but also potentially for the rest of their lives.
I believe all Chris wanted was attention. To be cared for, to be listened to, to relate to people, to have friends, to socialize, and to heal. I think a residence program would have helped him a lot.
Well put. That is definitely the core of any of these teens' needs. The absolute lack of the above is what puts them in these mental states. Especially listening, that's where healing starts.
Chris'es life went down the toilet real fast. I hope he gets the help he needs, he seemed like a sweet kid begging for help.
On the other hand, a lot of those residential troubled teen programs are really horrible.
Seems to me that he was trying to work the system so he could get the residence program. Not saying that it would not help, he obviously needs some real help.
@@frickinmatchbox that’s not the same thing as residential treatment.
*people with mental health issues* : " I got 72 hours then what? Go into debt to save myself?"
*Politicians/Legislators that don't support healthcare for all* : "Well someones gotta pay."
Oh man I feel for these kids.
You consider taxes theft but I and most people do not. We like roads being built and water being delivered through pipes and a military.
And also you act as if suicides never happened before the invention of video games and the internet... Get back to me once you are actually connected to reality and not just making shit up that suits your views on life.
@@hellzshotgun the West is degenerate and because of this suicides and overdoses are sky rocketing.. yeah you like roads and public services that's ok I guess but it never stops there does it? You want the people to be bleed dry to look after those who will only grow in number under a system of liberal degeneracy. Why don't you get back to me when you stop seeing the world through a 1850's political lense.
Lmao!!! 😂
@@jeremykaleschenkoikov6993 as if the poor are going to be taxed to pay for free healthcare, the taxes will be on the rich and on corporations who currently avoid tax. the current effective tax rate for the top 1% is 18%!! if we raise that to 1950s levels we can easily pay for healthcare
crimeangothic EXACTLY! People just refused to remember that before the rich used to in fact pay their fare share in taxes and now they don’t so that’s what’s hurting the middle class and the economy in general
“I don’t wanna burden anybody else with that” I felt that.
If I was a kid today I'd probably feel hopeless myself. Look at the pointless, greedy, corrupt world we created for them.
Yup.
My doctor keeps trying to put me on meds. I tell them. “I’m homeless. Alone.and struggling to survive. I’m supposed to feel unhappy about this. The only way to feel good about this would be to completely Destroy my capacity to think. And that certainly won’t help my poverty”
Isidore Aerys very upfront and honest way of viewing it. Hope you can better your situation and live more comfortably
Isidore Aerys get a job
I don't feel hopeless. I feel optimistic. In a sense I was "saved" but not by Jesus (though I think he was a pretty cool guy if he existed) but by scientific analysis of the world as a whole.
Some call it Marxism but a lot of anti-Marxists do the same thing.
That's exactly how I feel. People are dying because people can't agree on something that should be common sense and the greedy and corrupt are winning. What's the point of trying if your just going to be beaten down by horrible people
*mother crying*: I just don't know what to do, there's nothing I can do to make him better.
Son: I need 24/7 care!
Mother: no.
(This is what I got from this video)
She can't afford it.
@@valeriaco6017 she also said that the son "doesn't know what he needs", when he obviously does.
@@CeramicGod he is ofc old enough to know but a recommendation from a professional will help a mother see things as they are
That and single mothers can't raise men. They statistically fail more than not.
@@jeremykaleschenkoikov6993 correct. A boy needs his dad to truely understand himself. A woman is incapable of knowing how to raise a Man.
I've been hospitalized twice and that first conversation that girl was having with her parents was too real. These facilities should give parents resources just as much as their children, because parents don't know what to do or how to help.
Hope you're doing better
Omg yes this. This comment made me almost cry. My mom says you gotta Force yourself to get better. But that doesn't help me. Telling me oh you gotta Force yourself to do stuff you don't have energy to do doesn't help someone with depression. Like I'm not freaking lazy . I'm unmotivated, I'm exhausted 24/7, I'm not sleeping, I'm freaking depressed and horribly anxious!
Exactly. Everyone on here is like "the parents are the problem". But handling your child's mental illness is damn near impossible. Parents don't know why the kids are truly acting like that. Is it lack of attention? Is it loneliness? Is it not being hard enough on them to take responsibility? Is it being too hard on them? It's hard to keep your own mental health together let alone your vulnerable child's
I was thinking sweden had bad mental health support. But Jesus christ America is on a new fucking level mabey the shootings arena becouse of your trash Gun freedom but now om thinking its becouse of your mental health support.
@@magnuscarlsenbutdumb it's probably a combination of both lmao
Am I the only one who sees that these kids who get baker acted and spend time in these 72hr facilities should stick together? They all seem a lot happier when they’re surrounded by each other. Chris said himself that he has no real friends, but he clearly does have friends in those facilities who “miss [him]” whenever he leaves. Sometimes the best therapy comes from peers
exactly. it's probably the best support system for them because they're able to build each other up and better themselves. but as we see with this video, healthcare has been privatized and families are going broke simply to help their kids with something they can't control.
@@giannaa.4499 right, but they can still exchange info and hang out. They don’t have to be in the facility to maintain friendships
ive been to a facility were not allowed to share info but we do secretly and to this day i still talk to my old room mates i had in the facility
It depends. It can be beneficial to have a support network, but it also has the potential to be a risk if something goes wrong. They would probably be at higher risk of suicide-contagion or similar problems.
It was proven a long time ago that keeping mental patients together in groups over long periods of time makes it even more dangerous and potentially violent to the community and society at large.
Notice how mental health patients are treated like prisoners. My mental health would get worse in that kind of environment.
For most of history people with mental illness would just be sent to the same prison as all criminals; it’s better now but the same mentality is still alive unfortunately
Everbodys mental health would got worse
And then FL conservative parents blame mental hospital victims for “bad choices” while glorifying mental hospital violence and behavioral policing.
I live in Florida and witnessed it first hand at my job. I had to work at the Behavioral Health part of the hospital and what I witnessed really upset me. We need change badly!
In Florida, these are just treated by the Police as concentration camps for the Homeless. Case in point is Lakeside Alternatives in Orlando. I've known folks who worked and were held there where people working there randomly physically attacking patients with no consequences was not unheard of (and quite the norm.) The hospitals now are not much different (if not worse) than the Sunland hospitals they replaced in the 1980s.
I would not be surprised if other facilities (like this one, when the cameras are not rolling) have many similar stories.
Mental health care in FL is terrible for most everyone.
And not to mention there’s a huge shortage in mental health workers because half of us had to leave school because of the crippling amount of debt we are in trying to BE a counselor or psychologist.
AMEN
EXACTLY!
Yes.
👏🏻
Marissa Catherine 500 thousand dollars later I still am not finished college to be a psychiatrist and had to leave due to the large debt.
I live in Florida, and I know it sounds crazy but from what I've witnessed and gone through myself, the Baker Act only scares kids away from expressing if they have suicidal thoughts. You can't talk to a counselor about it without it being threatened to you. Kids want help, they don't want to be taken against their will as if they're criminals just for mentioning they think of death. We need equal access to therapy, this isn't effective.
As a person who's lived in Florida THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS
As someone whose been baker acted, yep
@@cruleo what was it like??
Completely accurate
Yeah I concur
My heart broke when haileys mom asked her if she had a plan when she was asking them for help.
Why isn't anyone looking into the fact that he thought he needed pepper spray to get through a school day? Who was bullying this kid? The real questions weren`t answered here.
Nom de Guerre I wish my mom was like you. You’re a good parent.
What you mean like.. try to use the process of our judicial system in a school to provide our youth with exposure to how our legal systems work, and show to our youth that we can protect them and their rights using a working system?
That's crazy talk.
Good question here
im chris's sister and he took his life two years ago im trying to spread the word because he didn't deserve what he went through. It was basically everyone, kids on the bus, in his classes, even kids in our neighborhood. he'd been robbed at a 7/11 at gunpoint. pistol whipped by some kid in our neighborhood. hit by a car while riding his bike to school. he never had it easy and could never catch a break. his need were ignored and he stayed at the park in our neighborhood smoking and drinking every day.
@@813dri I'm so sorry for everything y'all have been through..💔💔💔
6:16 , “what do we do after 72 hours? “ wow, the parents r literally disconnected.
i saw that too... was very distressing. and when their daughter was asking for solutions and the mom was just like "well have you thought of any?" i was shocked....
tiffanyy it’s crazy.. parents acting like they were the children. Grow up, be the adult that you’re suppose to be and take care of your damn child.
50% of the population of America just needs to.... uhhhh..... *Snap* cha feel
The kid just needed a good, warm hug and told that everything will be alright.
Putting all the pressure on a kid who is struggling already. Wow. I understand the money issue; that could be eased if we VOTED in people who cared more about healthcare than profits.
He literally told them what he needed, he needed residential care, its the best out there. For some people (including myself) it takes 24/7, around the clock care in order to get better.
And you could see how he was in desperate need of meeting people with the same struggle, as he clearly said so himself. "The main thing is to keep you safe." I don't think that is a great message to a suicidal person. It translates to "I don't care about your pain and suffering. Your family's feelings about your mental health and suicide are more important."
See my post above on what occurs in residential treatment facilities.
And for those people - they are nothing but total parasites and burdens on their families and societies
My friend, James, took his own life my sophomore year of high school. We were only 15. Now I am an adult and sometimes I weep at the thought of never seeing how his life would have played out, what he'd be my like at my age, etc. I wish we had better mental health resources in our communities. I am so grateful for those workers who dedicate their lives to this and I feel for the parents who have to deal with this alongside their hurting children. Love your way.
only 15??! wow his whole life ahead of him. What do u think is the problem? is it the environment? pressure of parents and society of who u ought to be? i have a brother who is going to be 16 and i would die if he ever did something like that. Society is sick and values more being strong independent materialism money etc. this world is a gutter
"I will identify 2 ways how killing myself will affect my family and friends" - Why would you even think it's ok to ask a suicidal teen that question? A lot of teens are suicidal specifically because they have little or no friends and their family doesn't care about them.
And I know they don't have to choose that option. But passing on that one means they have to pick "I will identify 2 people I can talk to when I have thoughts of hurting myself" which holds the same problem.
It's a thought exercise. I've been institutionalized 3 times. They ask that to see the degree of suicidal ideation.
Thinking about suicide as an option and planning it out are two very different things.
I didn't like getting baker acted. It sucked. However, they start you on meds, immediately, under medical supervision.
It's stressful and sometimes traumatic, sure, but the whole point is to start getting care and learning the small steps towards recovering from those low points in life.
Which is why in the video they only ask that you respond to only two out of three questions
I would say suicide crises line if they asked me who I'd talk to.
It may seem jarring, but i think the point is to allow the patient to have process-style thought patterns. When you're in a crisis, your mind is not operating normally. Things may seem very black and white. And being asked to come up with the answers for certain types of questions, gives pause to urgent thoughts of self harm.
Sort of like being told to take a few deep breaths when panicking. It doesn't resolve the situation, and can sometimes even be irritating to be told that in the moment. But if done, it really can help to reduce the racing thoughts and the heightened physiological state your body goes through during panic.
It can sometimes be similar for the line of questioning asked of suicidal patients. The goal is to break the loop of crisis level thoughts, into one more reflective. It's not meant to heal the patient. That can't be done in short holds. The goal is to stop the crisis-- stop the sauce from boiling over the pot--in order to give time & space for the patient to reflect on what exactly they truly want and need.
See how she said she didn’t want to burden anyone? That is such a real feeling. People need to realize that is with these mental health disorders aren’t interested in attention or pity, we just need understanding and support. Thankful for this program.
the real ones don't want attention nor pity because they think they don't deserve it.
Give the kids guns
That came out of nowhere
There’s actually a very large theory that suicide is the result of the combination of perceived burdensomeness and thwarted belongingness
That building is miserable. For a mental health facility, maybe some color and natural light?
well its not that bad in there you cant really stand out and some colors and lights may be triggering to some patients
Pink makes are brain happy
Its the color grading. In reality they dont look that dogshit.
@@honkhonk8009 yes they do lol
they're there to make money not help anyone. color is the last thing on their minds. cheerful place to be crazy? riiiight. they'll hold you down for a shot of some nice peaceful meds maybe.
As someone that got baker acted after a bad reaction to new antidepressants. I was forced into staying for the weekend, and the staffers/people staying in the facility were treating it more like a minimum security prison. Understaffed, over crowded and doesn't offer any actual time to sit and talk with a doctor that is over 5 mins.
Gracepoint isn't a safe place for those with mental health needs, and they're SUPER under funded and under staffed
Absolutely
Same thing happened to me. It made me want to never tell anyone if I was struggling again because I didn’t want to be somewhere like that again
Similar. It was more of a prison. They made me take Zoloft and I had severe rashes within days of taking it. They made me anyway. Everytime they gave me my dosage, the staff also made me open my mouth to check if I swallowed.
This is a great documentary, but as a teenager I can tell you this level and frequency of mental crises among youth is definitely happening in more than just Florida
TheComedyClownfish florida has certain laws other states dont; and no one said this stuff wasn’t happening in other states either
Florida is hot and not much to do and drugs and homeless people are all over. Most crazy shit happens in Florida so I would say it prolly does happen more in Florida
@@stagqueen907Then why in the title is it specifically saying it’s a Florida problem instead of just saying it’s a national issue? Just say it’s happening in different states across the country, what’s the focus on Florida for?
and once again: wft america??? imagine having to take your own child out of a treatment, they feel like is helping them, cause you cant afford it. breaks my heart
And think about how many of those kids in there have toxic and abusive family at home. When I was suicidal from my abusive family, my treatment center was a ray of light simply because I didn't have to be home with those people. I was devastated to find out there weren't resources and funding to keep me in for longer than one school semester. Sending kids back home to what makes them sick to begin with.
So other countries provide free mental health for months/years of treatment?
@Ramen Lover any sources on that? I've been in the mental health industry for a while and though european countries fare better in terms of healthcare for low income folks, I've heard that mental healthcare has become a huge issue in several european countries. The UK's NHS in particular only allows intensive outpatient services to the most severe cases and that the process is arduous. But yeah, if you have any info on that, it would be great because I'm not seeing anything that says that.
@@FJxJongno3ga well, yes, idk about every country in the world but im swdish and been both in and out patitent for almost ten years. its not always top tier and ive been to places that straight up sucked, but its at least there
@@vigdis628 for sure. I mean Sweden benefits from having a small and fairly wealthy population though. I live in LA and the metro population here has 3 million more people than Sweden. Also, a homogenous population that mostly agrees with each other helps as well. Things like this are a federal problem and unfortunately, we still have wealthy corps and rural America that have lobbying and voting power respectively and think universal healthcare is the devil. Medicare pays for mental health services in certain places like California (even past 30 days for inpatient sometimes) but places like Florida don't.
But things are improving in terms of attention to and research for mental health in the US as compared to where we were in the past. The research universities in the US are at the forefront of breakthroughs in mental health and that in turn helps the global community. Anyways, I digress but I'm very interested in this topic and have spent the better part of my life working in the mental health industry.
Everyone: "More gun control!"
Conservatives: "No!"
Everyone: "Why?"
Republicans: "Guns aren't the problem! Mental health is the problem!"
Everyone: "Okay, are you going to help us increase funding for mental health?"
Conservatives: "No!"
Eh. In Spain mentally ill children are locked
Why are you bringing gun up for , you got some agenda .
@@carollee8823 Yeah, an agenda exposing conservatives as idiots who work against the safety of others
Is bad
So tour country is not that bad
@ they are supposed to be locked! They shouldn't be working, they aren't mentally strong and mess up things. They should be at home or some where else.
The parents are hugging each other but not their kid? The kid needs support and love!
Damn this hit home. I got baker acted 3 times too when I was 16 and the follow up was horrible. Thank God my parents had good insurance. The fact the state forces people in but doesn't provide a payment plan is atrocious. Especially when you consider the average florida salary is lower than most states. There needs to be a better support for us
I second that!
The state has effectively outlawed mental health crises and is punishing anyone who has one.
Why is mental health care so expensive in the USA? I don't understand. In Belgium a visit to a psychologist is very affordable, even if you go private and don't have any insurance at all. Do American psychologists just want to earn humongous amounts of money or is there a reasonable explanation for this? 🤔
@@riaannesimoens Capitalism. Simple as that.
Only money matters. If having huge numbers of people killed is what it takes to make a profit and to make money, then that's what it'll take.
I was specifically held at Tampa's Gracepoint a few years back and it was traumatizing. This video was a difficult watch.
It's foggy to remember my arrival. What I do recall is being transferred by an ambulance, having my belongings get taken away and being forced to sit at a table for hours.
If you hadn't just arrived, you were either out of it or asleep. Little interaction was permitted. We had no freedom to move around. You were constantly threatened that you would get sedated if you made a wrong move.
I remember this young girl arriving and she was crying. I was yelled at for going to sit next to her and attempt to comfort her. I felt for her since I was crying upon arrival as well. No staff or fellow patient came to me either.
On my second day, the staff were doing reports and were taking kids into a room individually. When it was my turn, they mocked me, called me a liar and a burden to my family.
When you weren't sitting at a table or stuck in a dark room with beds full of strangers, you were in a small caged court with one ball to be shared.
I don't know if this was for the camera or it has changed. I had to return to the location recently for papers and I found out the exact section of Gracepoint I was held at is no longer there.
I could go into much further detail but this would become far too lengthy. I remember the rooms, the food and many other details vividly. I'm sorry for rambling as it is.
I hope none of these children have a remotely similar experience and recover with time. They are not given that in these facilities. (And VICE should've protected their privacy. They are minors. Poor editing choice.)
* Another note is staying there I believe costed my family a couple grand. A price to pay for an experience that did nothing but damage my mental health more. I do not blame or resent anyone who brought me there. I 100% blame Gracepoint and anyone who has power over the system.
@@JabberJelly I'm so sorry that you had to suffer through that. After my own experience, hearing your story doesn't surprise me in the slightest. How horrible is that.
I hope things are shaping up for you. I'm grateful you're alive to tell this story, even if it is a horrifying one.
You have my support. Thank you for taking the time to respond. 💙
I feel for you. I have a very similar story. The staff was incredibly rude to me. They thought that because I came from a “stable” background that I should have good mental health. One nurse told me that I would eventually end up back there and that crushed me. It’s something I think about to this day.
ry. I’m 11 months late but I’m also from tampa . If you ever need someone hmu
On like my second or third day at a mental hospital in Santa Rosa, the workers found a vape, and all of the patients in my section had to go in a room with a nurse, strip naked, while another nurse checked our room. We were all blamed and treated badly. The vape, as i found out later, was from a patient who was discharged the day before 😕
Don't have children if you're not ready to deal with our issues. We don't want them, but you wanted us, so keep us here.
For real, people hate taking responsibility.
THIS!!!!
yes every parent pretends like their kid is immune to mental illness. If you aren't will to help in any and all aspects while your child is a minor you have no business to be having kids. Why purposely raise a family with little funds in your savings? That's stupid to me. And I don't wanna hear anything about "accidents".
Also, some moms are spiteful and won't let the son live with his father EVEN WHEN THE SON WANTS JUST THAT.
This is so simple, yet so deep
What about the teenagers taking responsibility? When your a teen you understand right from wrong unless you are mentally handicapped. At 16 you are litterally only two years away from being a grown person, at which point you are responsible for all if your actions. Parents can be there for you your whole life, but they can't make your choices for you. At some point you need to understand you will be grown up soon and responsible for yourself. These kids weren't 10 years old
Psilocybin saved my life. I was addicted to heroin for 15 years and after Psilocybin treatment I will be 3 years clean in September. I have zero cravings.
This is something that truly needs to be more broadly used in addiction treatment.
Please does anyone know where I can get them? I put so much on my plate and it really affects my stress and anxiety levels, I would love to try shrooms
Yes, bergwilly11
Is he on instagram?
Shrooms was the best trip I had. It was an amazing experience.
bergwilly11 is the best, he's been my go to for anything psychedelics.
I'm 16 and live in Florida. We all use the term "baker-acted" for this. I know so many kids including myself who are afraid to speak up about how we are suicidal cause we know that we'll be baker-acted. Our state is failing us.
/parents using a baker act as a control tactic an never being able to speak up
broward kid this is so true.
I wish being baker acted wasn't a police thing cuz it's very discouraging to be handcuffed and bullied by the police before you get to go to the hospital and get bullied by other patients :/
Former broward kid here, 10 years older than ya. I made it out of state a couple years ago but even before that, I can promise it gets better. If you’re able to find a community of like-minded people amongst all the brainwashed folks, you will survive being in it. You may have to advocate for yourself like hell when it comes to important stuff like healthcare and job opportunities, but it does get better.
as a mentally ill high schooler in this state, this state has a very terrible lack of resources and care for the mental health of teenagers and people in general
"I used to think that the worst thing in life was to end up alone. It's not. The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel alone." - Robin Williams
Damn
Isn't it ridiculous that parents have to think about the money instead if the kids?
Affordable healthcare and a proper support system is important for this too!
Bloody hell.....
Thats what I was thinking. In the netherlands people don't even think about this type of stuff because insurance just covers everything and everyone has the mandatory health insurance. And sure maybe theres a waiting list, but having the insurance will also prevent it from getting this bad. AND you dont get opiods described. We also pay 35% tax over our salary, taxes will increase overal development in a country.
yeah healthcare is quite problematic in the USA for what i saw, pity.
@@newcomixx
Last I checked, suicidal ideation doesn’t care about waitlists, if you make someone wait even a few days when their suicidal, for care, their chances of killing them selves increase drastically. Also, taxes do not lead to development, innovation and investment do, last checked, the government wasn’t responsible for antibiotics, the light bulb, internet, or iPhones.
Affordable healthcare isn’t important, affordable automatic weapons are!
@@JSB1729 nah... those aren't either, the only thing necessary is the most money for the big corpos
I got baker acted when I was 14 in Hillsborough county. Grace point to be exact. Grace point is definitely playing it up for the cameras, it is underfunded and understaffed the food is dog food. We were all kids and yet you feel like a prisoner rather than getting mental health help. I went to one therapy session after where my parents sat in and it was awful. Never went backed or asked for help after until now that I’m an adult.
As a teenager who has been diagnosed with depression, it is indescribable how frustrating it is to have such a crippling, miserable, lonely condition all while being failed by the system.
The story of every Joker...
@Hey There It's not a specific reason causing my depression, it's just a state of being. Meeting up with people won't cure it, it just means I have to mask it. The feeling is really something that I can't put into words. The best I can describe it as is just an existential feeling of loneliness. I know I'm not alone, I have people all around me. I have great friends, family, classmates and coworkers. I'm surrounded by great people who also think I'm a great person, but even so, I still feel alone. Not for any specific reason, the feeling is just... there. I guess.
Take up walking in nature, yoga, or meditation. Pay attention to your surroundings. Of course being inwardly focused and ruminating is unpleasant. That's never been a good way to live.
@@Magnulus76 going for a walk will not help cute depression it is a chemical imbalance in the brain ,nature is not going to do anything please stfu
@@Ble33334 If you believe that, then doing things like walking certainly won't help you. Beliefs can be self-imposed prisons.
The facilities owners are making big bucks on this.
Not really. They make good money from their degrees but few psychologists and therapist can handle the absurd number of kids with these problems and stay sane themselves. It takes a level of stoicism and indifference uncommon in most people. Hence the shortage. To treat the mentally ill you have to be mentally ill yourself.
@@KnightofAntiquity true words.
@@KnightofAntiquity he didn't say anything about psychologists or therapists
Lord Escanor it’s not stoicism or indifference therapists need - that would make for an ineffective therapist. Therapists learn to leave work at work or they risk burnout. In session a good therapist practices being fully present, receptive to emotions, and centered.
Yeah you said it look up fourwinds psychiatric hospital in West Chester Ny look at the thesis of horrible incidents that happened told in the google review and reddit reviews etc and it’s still open.
It's frustrating seeing these kids being talked to by parents and therapists who have no idea how to relate to them and thus are obviously clueless as to how to approach a solution. Psychology through a textbook isn't going to solve anything. These kids need to find purpose and people around them who can relate, and they want that. How the hell are their behaviors and thoughts going to change and improve if nobody listens to their needs. That kid is obviously not happy where he's at yet they refuse to treat him anywhere else. An old man with a degree in psychology sitting at his kitchen table isn't gonna help that kid.
Well actually anybody can get a degree with a 2.5 GPA.
It’s unbelievably touching to see these kids that are in pain themselves selflessly share their story hoping to educate and potentially help others in pain. They are so much stronger, smarter and more than they even realize. It’s already so obvious even in their young age just how much potential they have. Every one of these kids has a brighter light than they realize yet. God bless them and their honesty and strength and the kind souls that care for them and are helping them. 🙏🏻
those parents around 5:30 seemed much more concerned with their money and exasperated with their child. when I was in the hospital for my mental health it took two years for my parents to pay it off because it wasn’t covered by insurance, my dad told me he’d pay any amount of money to keep me alive. I feel for that girl.
It's not just Florida! It's the whole country.
Yep. And as the political discourse in America gets more and more toxic, children continue to suffer.
@@patricknez7258 childeren dont suffer this is what happens when you have spoiled kids kids in mexico, india, africa, asia dont even have the privledge of going to school they would love to have the life these kids throw away
Bro,u r 1000% Right
Morgan Hill Fight Club yeah but just like the kids going to school in Africa everyday, the kids in these situations also have to deal with socio-economical interactions.
Exactly
This hit to close to home for me
I've literally been in residential and that is the most supportive and safest environment why wouldn't you want that for your child who's struggling
the parents are so out of touch with the kid's needs. no adult in that situation was actually listening to what the kids were saying and then were surprised when the thing that didn't before didn't work again
Just growing up in Florida is depressing.
I don't even live there, just go on periodical visits to family, but those schools are SCARY
Period !
it’s horrible
Florida..the armpit of 🇺🇸
Its good for 1 thing=Disney
Its actually pretty good. Theres plenty to do. Just some crazy people here and there
I remember begging my parents for mental health help as a kid, and my parents denying it because of the expense, and also the taboo behind mental health care.
Finally at 26 I got my own health insurance with mental health care. And by then my mental health has deteriorated a significant amount and I now have to work harder than ever to climb back to stable.
Mental health is severely ignored in this country.
I hope you feel better
I'm so glad you are taking care of yourself, even tho that wasn't the behaviour that was modelled for you when you were young!
It is a lifelong journey, but that feeling of getting to know yourself & give yourself care & compassion, of developing skills & resilience, self-trust, having those conversations with yourself--it's one of life's great joys. It can feel like a burden sometimes too, but you're worth it!
I've been to a facility like this 3 times. You feel like you're in a very low security prison. Absolutely traumatic for anyone dealing with psycosis or extreme depression.
Did you go there voluntarily or were you committed?
I was commited. Each time i was given a different treatment (Gabapentin, seroquil, xanex, lithium, among others) and many different diagnosis. First time they concluded that I had smoked k2 or spice and that caused my extreme hallucinations that lasted for around a month. Second time they never gave me a solid explanation. (Only lasted about 2 weeks) They said again that I had smoked bad thc wax or the fake stuff, similar to last time, but then threw on mental disorders like bipolar, depression, and schizophrenia. Although never coming to a conclusion. The third time I went to that facility it didn't last more than two weeks but was much more extreme in the severity. I refused an IV, kicked a nurse and cried before they locked me in a small room at the emergency wing.
Personaly I don't think synthetic drugs played any role in this what so ever. I believe it was the intense amount of stress I was feeling at the time that put my brain into overdrive that resulted in eventualy overheating in a horrible way alongside regular drug use. I could write much more on my experience, about the treatment, or just how our system treats people going through episodes like mine.
I'm happy to answer any questions:)
@@shamalanadingdong4071 Damn dude you sound defective
@@rsod85 During those times I absolutly was. My brain just couldn't work normaly. I'm just fine now.
14 times. Abusive parents and psychiatrists working against me. Long story.
0:40 this intake conversation is so cold that it’s scary. Can you imagine sitting in an exam room, describing one of the worst moments of your life to somebody who isn’t even facing you and who’s actively filling in some form on the computer?
Indeed
If not for that form you won’t get anything. Someone with even less contact and more impersonal will decide whether or not you deserve help depending on that form’s contents.
She's literally not even looking at her just harvesting data and reading a script. I hate these places theyre so fake
Exact reason I’ve never gone to get help 🤷🏽♂️ I’d rather struggle with my mind than rot in one of these places thinking it’s making me better
Same thought I had, its like they are the NPCs and we are awake.
Also theses are young impressionable youth at the end of the day, when that kid said "depression never goes away" it's a very negative thought process & makes me question what he actually learned at that facility. Having confidence to beat depression is key.
@@bobbyjohnson1086 Oh yikes... spoken like someone who's never had to deal with depression
@@bobbyjohnson1086 some people really feel that it doesn't go away, it's possible to want to overcome the feelings that come with depression and become more positive, it depends on how you approach the sentiment that "depression never goes away".
4 times in 1 school year. Not sure this Baker Act was working for Chris.
Tina's baby
It did if they kept him from harming himself or others _in the moment._ This is what the Baker Act was intended to do and so it has worked.
The Baker Act (72hr holding) is not a treatment program or care facility. It’s a _band aid_ on a deep and gushing wound.
Wounds need cleaning, and covering, medication, sometime require more invasive medical intervention or therapy, a clean environment to heal and monitoring. The rest is time AND...preventative care to help make sure it’s less like to happen again.
This type of care is not on the grid for mental health and wellness.
Sadly, I don’t think it ever will be. Not to the capacity needed. Especially in The States. Especially for our youth. 😓
Baker Act worked fine. Parent is the one with the problem, refusing to let him get help.
Each time they called vice seem like he just needed attention
Mental Health should be affordable. A magic pill does not exist. They need a lot of counselling. How can you learn to trust someone in 3 days, impossible. They need help to be reintegrated back to society and that takes time.
end the privatization of healthcare
ya but sadly that takes mony and noboy wants to fund it sadly
Chris’ Mom pissed me off. “You see your child suffering and there’s nothing you can do.”
BRUH! He said he needed residential care. Then when that was denied he said he needed a therapist. Clearly neither of those things were provided. The basic thing you need to do is LISTEN TO YOUR SON. It makes me angry.
i think there's definitely a story around it. maybe they are struggling financially ? maybe she doesn't believe in therapy? strange.
@@56658 im chris's sister and our adoptive family definitely had the money. instead of sending chris to residential care facility they sent me to one in orlando for three months when i didn't need or want to. unfortunately his needs were ignored and he took his life two years ago.
@@813dri sounds like your parents didn't need to be parents...
MENTAL HEALTH IS JUST AS IMPORTANT AS PHYSICAL HEALTH!!!! something has to be done, and not just in America
Like America cares about physical health
Like America cares
Honestly chris seems like a really nice kid, id like to have him as a friend
Right
I feel like he really needed a friend, and that he couldn’t relate to his mom.
That's nice to hear, but there are many many people who said things like that, but do not act on it. Don't take this as me saying that you're wrong, I'm trying to say that with so many people on social media saying "I'd like to be their friend" but never try to, makes these kids in distress distrust people more. If you truly mean it, you have good heart :)
@@lee.as.in.l.e.e.7394 It's a little tough to actually initiate a friendship without looking like a stalker, especially since Ch,ris is underage. There's some information that can help a sleuth find his social media profile, but it could still be a dead end (especially if he's deactivated his social media profiles). I can only imagine his distrust/suspicion if he suddenly received a bunch of friend requests after this segment aired. For all we know, that kind of message could make things worse. I get the impression that he'd prefer to tell people who may be interested in meeting him how best to contact him (so he can have some control and structure in initial meetings).
Lost generation. Heart breaking to see it, even harder being apart of it
@lotte lovelace Well part of that is the de-stigmatization of mental illness. Before this generation you would be ashamed to admit you had ADHD or depression and not try to get help.
@@rohanbhuyan3982 Before this generation people weren't killing themselves on the regular.
Definitely not the only generation. But I think the prevalence is higher and increasing quickly in this generation. I’d bet that no other generation was so riddled with mental health issues in preteen, teen, and young adult years.
@@Rebecca-br2mw precisely what I'm referring too, I'm not claiming previous generations didn't have issues
@Matthew Forslund Living in reality
What makes this even worse is that some people believe that parents should be the only say in their kids education. I've watched the Vice U.S. Education System roundtable.
IF WE ARE NOT GOING TO TREAT THESE KIDS THEN WHY STOP THEM FROM KILLING THEMSELVES IN THE FIRST PLACE ?
M Dawson It’s all about control. Not care.
Because in America it’s about making bank instead of actually helping patients who need assistance. God bless the fucking usa
I..... goddammit that's a good point....
@@eyebleached CONTROL BY WHO THE INDIVIDUAL TEEN, THE PARENTS OR THE SYSTEM ? UNFORTUNATELY, I GET THAT, HAVING WORKED WILL CHILDREN AND TEENS IN THE PSYCHOLOGICAL HOSPITAL SETTING , RESIDENTIAL AND OUTPATIENT SETTINGS !
Are yes as suicide only effects one person
This is not just FL, it's the whole country
The way things look, if a earthling has a frontal lobe, they have the capacity for emotions.
There are rainy days and sunny ones on this planet. What we've got to do is to delete walls of division that we presently call country borders. To disassemble the machines of destruction, and recycle the parts for better uses, machines of construction. People, animals, we all only got one life, not 9 of them, and certainly no afterlife to escape during a stormy weathers. Best to remove the elements that contribute to PTSD, to help prevent them from becoming C-PTSD.
We should focus on letting automation remove our reliance on paper bank notes. Let it displace everyone from the factories and the fields, unless they want to devote their limited lifespan towards being productive, even though they don't have to because of automation. Machines can and will build themselves, though it take a global team effort to make it happen. A.I. is more honest than our politicians, and voters could be allowed to vote on each and every bill that passes or doesnt, rather than allow mismanagement that wastes everyone's limited time in 4 year segments. People should be allowed to be creative and in their own ways at their own rate if they want to, not because they have to, a better less restrictive world. A world without planned obsolescence causing stress inducing performance job security. We gotta vote more carefully, even the planet 'itself' is counting on that.
I live with a neuromuscular challenge, and hope there will become a cure for it at some point, some point sooner, if not competeting against each country, and its not only about me, its about quality of life for all.
@MountainDrew was it the part about there being no afterlife, that put that bite in your bark?
It really is. Happened to me in California and my sister too.
Nick P I said the same thing. Not just in FL in other states too!!!
@@truetech4158 Please, get help.
I was hospitalized after my freshman year of high school, after a mental breakdown due to overloading myself on courses. I admitted I had a plan to end my life to a family doctor and was admitted voluntarily into a teen inpatient mental health facility. I stayed for a little over a week and it was absolutely the safest and most eye opinion portion of my life. Being around other teens who I could relate to inspired me to pick activities back up that I had no interest in since becoming depressed. Art therapy was particularly beneficial for me, but group sessions were also incredibly inspiring. For once I didn't feel like a black sheep on the outside of the fence.
The hospital was a safe space to adjust my medication dosages because I could be closely observed. To this day I'm still on the same medication, dosage and all, that was hand picked for me there. Obviously, depression isn't cured and I still struggle, but it's safe to say I've never been in a place as dark as I was then.
My point is: I told my parents and doctor I needed to be hospitalized. They listened and it saved my life, and I wasn't even 16 yet. I'm 18 now and heading to college in August.
Kids know more than you think, especially about themselves. Please, just LISTEN to them.
Wait. You had a mental breakdown due to being overloaded with courses, right? And for that you need to take medications?! It seems, that they helped you in wrong way. Instead of teaching you how to handle the problems and solve them by yourself, they just feed you with meds to numb you.
I had a similar experience- stressed about school, told someone, stayed a week at a hospital and got meds and therapy and thought it all helped. It was a great experience and it changed my life outlook for the better. But it didn't ~fix~ anything for me. I attempted again and went to a different, less helpful hospital. I had a slew of awful therapists. I kept procrastinating and my performance in school got worse and worse and worse. And now here I am today. The story isn't done yet. I've failed prerequisite courses for the ones I am taking now, so... might get kicked? idk
I also was placed on a 72 hour hold when I was 19 and I also thought it was a very beneficial experience. I met others I could relate to and I was able to express my feelings without judgement in group therapy. I loved my time there.
Those parents make me sick. They literally treat thier own child like a burden and like a problem. That is what I'm seeing and hearing about a lot of parents these days. This is why there is a whole generation of young people who are depressed and suicidal. Parents need to take responsibility And stop pushing the blame on everything but themselves. The mentality of "it's everyone else's fault but mine" is destructive to the person and the people around them and in their lives.
"have you come up with a solution?" it's like my mother or my ex was speaking to me when i was at my worst and didn't know what to do. how awful that feeling is, to be burdened with the overwhelming feeling of being in pain, and hearing stuff like that. i wouldn't wish that on my worst enemy. that poor kid, jesus.
How the hell is it legal to detain someone and then charge them for it?
Muhh profits
Because legislators (of all parties) are like "Private sector gotta private sector, y'all! Pass the Kobe beef while I decide which prisons to privatize next, lolz".
Hailey’s parents made me upset, Worrying about the money and expecting their daughter to pull her out of this by herself 😳
Awful parenting, and I hate to say that about anyone. But they are more concerned about losing their house than losing their daughter. She's going to have to raise herself. Hopefully, she can get some good counselors to lead the way.
Yeah cuz we all can afford 3k a day for how many months? Of course worrying about how to get that kind of money isn’t rational
Cuz she will do so much better without a house 🙄
@@jjcoola998 parents needs to learn to keep concerns and life worries to themselves. Children needn't know parental issues and problems. I know her parents have told her their issues because she acts as if she's a burden. Seriously. It's a rule of good parenting to always be a safe space for your child. Parents need to be very careful about discussing financial issues with their children......health care in this country needs to become more affordable and her story within this clip speaks to that issue.
You really shouldn’t ever talk about financials in front of your kids. It really fucks up how they view their own lives, they end up thinking money matters more than them
ISTG this doc has made me cry more than almost anything I've seen in recent memory. It's just heartbreaking to see so many people who are younger than me (I'm 19) go through this stuff and be misunderstood and short changed by both their parents and the system. This video also touched me since ove so struggled with mental health in the past and still do occasionally though I never wanted to kill or physically harm myself. As such, watching the parents in the beginning hug their kid with concern made me break down since I've been the kid in that situation before(well at home). Case and point, I just want to say that this was amazingly well done. Last but not least, for anyone struggling, one coping mechanism I recommend is taking up an artistic hobby of some sort with some type of learning curve since practicing and getting better can be incredibly rewarding and eventually creating can be extremely liberating. While this mechanism isn't right for everyone, I can personally say that playing drums/percussion has helped my mental health a lot over the years(I started when i was 10 or so), especially when I began to practice more seriously during my junior and senior years of hs while also falling in love with genres like jazz, funk, blues and latin. My point with that is that once you find something you like and work a lot towards it, it can be extremely rewarding and help a lot with darker mental spells but everyone's different so your coping mechanisms may be different😊
You are right about art! It really helps!🎉
Pharmaceutical companies ought to be ashamed a child overdoses on pills get you checked in to a clinic and get prescribed more pills anyone else see a problem here
Yea, sounds like youre not taking your pills.
(Calling 9-1-1)
Murica!
Pharma has nothing to do with prescribing. It's the health care professionals who misprescribe.
Mister Brookes your sarcasm machine is broken
The Watcher a company producing antidepressants holds absolutely no responsibility for a kid overdosing on Xanax or painkillers. Most antidepressants have such a high LD50 that you’d need to down a whole bottle for mild issues.
Suicide Rates reach all time high kids say it's because of stress in school and being bullied.
Department of Education: No problem here.
When I was in school literally no one got bullied
@@Yater-fu5xz lol, based on your context you experienced chinese schooling and not US. So how tf are you capable to make that statement?
Betsy devos needs to meet the grim reaper
@Is7orBust2 privatize schools so that only rich kids get help?? What the eff are you advocating for here? Not students obviously.
Because Asians know how to behave@@John-bn7ux
I had an employer lie to the police and say I was suicidal to get me Baker Acted. I had got a serious injury at work and they wanted to get rid of me. I managed to get out early as I wasn't suicidal and I sued my employer and won. However, my experience in the mental hospital was very traumatic and I now have PTSD. I can't even imagine the damage it would do to somebody who was already mentally ill.
I wonder if you're still allowed to own a firearm
@@vilecrocodile9171 I'm from Australia and hardly anyone owns firearms here - which I think is great.
@@AussieDisneyGirl canadian here, we don't have alot of firearms either... and I too think it's great. Far less gun violence when guns aren't so readily available ✌.
Aussie Disney Girl except Alphonse Gangitano, Carl Williams, Andrew Venamin, Bandali Debs, Jason Moran, Mark Moran, Marcus Grayham, Nik Radev, Mark read and manny other notorious criminals whom trade firearms kill each other and cops as if they are children’s Pokémon cards being traded and having a battle. Firearm control doesn’t do much to prevent sales through the black market which is where criminals get there guns. It does effect your ability to protect yourself from these pricks though and you enjoy it. What kind of logic is that?
Love Is Gonna Save Us * you have less violence because you don’t have a black market set up anywhere near as elaborate as that in America.