There's a Mental Health Crisis Among Florida's Kids
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- Опубликовано: 16 май 2019
- Florida ranks 44th in the country for access to mental health care. And one of the quickest and easiest ways to get it is by invoking a 1971 law called the Baker Act. It allows for anyone threatening to harm themselves or others to be involuntarily committed to a psychiatric facility for 72 hours. Committed, a VICE News Tonight special report, delves into the experiences of three families in crisis, each struggling with a child's mental illness, whose lives intersect for 72 hours at Gracepoint Wellness, one of the largest and oldest children's crisis facilities in Florida. Isobel Yeung speaks with counselors, families, law enforcement, and school officials to investigate how the Baker Act's patchwork system of short-term commitments is increasingly becoming a stand-in for a more comprehensive and long-term mental health care system.
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This VICE News Tonight special report, delves into the experiences of three families in crisis, each struggling with a child's mental illness, whose lives intersect for 72 hours at Gracepoint Wellness, one of the largest and oldest children's crisis facilities in Florida.
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Great documentary about depression and teens. Hope Chris I believe his name was gets help and overcomes his depression/anxiety. Wish there was more I and many other people could do to help him.
I hope that we can see an update for Chris in the future and that things improve for him. Is that something your team would be interested in pursuing?
VICE News you guys need to go undercover it’s not really like that it’s horrible there
Have you guys ever thought nothing is wrong with these kids? It's the parents fault and society fault? But ya if you blame grown ass people for what their are doing wrong they get mad. Better to blame it on kids.
@@livingdeadjake4228 Unfortunately, Chris will probably never get the proper help, all thanks to his shitty mom. We can all see the direction it's going--legal trouble, abandoned by the school system. I wish his mom would've just let him get the help he deserves.
Kids: I want to die
Parents: Don't forget that you're a financial burden
Yes but to be fair it's a shitty situation all around. A lot of families don't habe the money. You can't blame them for not giving up their homes to pay for therapy. The issue isn't the families, it's the government who doesn't help them.
@@pocketlinttreasures33 wdym "it's the government who doesn't help them" thats just dumb
ah yes I love it when my government preys on my decline health for commerce :)
@@kennypowers2341 the US is the only industrialized country in the world without a universal healthcare system.
@@asher_2789 my mother came from a country with free healthcare and no one went to the doctor for mental health problems or they would be placed in a mental institution and drugged to high Heaven
Hailey's parents gave each other more emotional support than they gave their own child who was literally begging for it...
Or maybe they didn’t show that part .
@@mayataylor5743 I think they showed enough for us to know that they didn’t do that
They seemed instead to just drive home the fact to her that she's a burden and she's on her own
That's why she's depressed.bad bad parenting
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who reacted like that, Hailey seemed more mature than them...
Chris: I need residential care
Mom: No you don't.
Chris: *gets worse*
Mom: *cries* all I can do is pray
To be fair, we don't know the circumstances surrounding the situation. It could very well be that she doesn't have the means to offer it to him, or that it's just hard for her to process all that happened. We're seeing just a sliver of the full picture of their lives.
@@ongogablogian1876 I agree - residential care when not properly run can be dehumanizing.
@@alligator5889 agreed. The issue will probably always be fraught..
Residential care made me worse from the abuse, most are abusive!! Therapy didn't help, meds made a zombie. Daily mindfulness meditation healed my ptsd, anxiety, depression, anger and helped me in many other ways as well.
Ask an asian kid whats a real dipression is
If anyone sees this comment Chris is my brother, we celebrated his memorial yesterday and he took his life September 1st. He was hurting really bad and watching this video is now the only way to see him or hear his voice. Please keep him in your prayers. Depression is real and serious.
I am so sorry for your loss and his suffering❤️
No one cares 😅😂🎉🎉🎉🎉
@@Monkhg go back to playing Lego Batman on the PS4 squeeker
Im so sorry
😢 Wish I was able to help your brother. I am very saddened to hear this. I am sorry for your loss & may God provide you and your family with patience and strength. 🙏
I didn’t like how the dad was talking to his daughter “well 72 hours is all you got” you don’t say that. She’s clearly in distress right now
Lol why do you think she's suicidal? Not the best parents
Yeah, and he raised his voice to say it. He's being completely adversarial to his own child, when she needs compassion and understanding more than ever. I hope she is able to find a decent therapist that will help her work through being raised by such a toxic person, and how that has scarred and is scarring her.
I also liked that he exaggerates the cost of private care and then acts like "pfft, what am i supposed to do, take out a loan for my daughter's mental health?"
@@irrossistable im guessing you're not American, hes not even close to exaggerating
@@irrossistable What do you know about his financial problems? Maybe he barely makes ends meet to keep his family not get bankrupt. But you are eager to judge.
"Most of these suicide attempts happen during the school year"
Wow i wonder why
DaRN KiDs tHiS DaYS
now take your comment from a year ago and times that time a billion, bc that is what we are doing to our children’s mental health by not putting them first in a god damn pandemic
@@Hartleymolly this comment is from a month ago...
i guess i’m an outlier lol i definitely feel worse over the summer, school kinda gives me something to do to distract myself
@@lauren7726 I agree! But I also think the routine that have during the school year only masks or distracts me from my distress rather than helping me cope with it.
Chris was BEGGING to be helped. To be kept safe and be looked after by professionals. And that mother blatantly and ignorantly refused to see that he is telling her what is best for him.
I truly hope that she opens her heart to actually listening to her son and what he needs for his healing.
Going into residential treatment is not "running away from his problems".
She can’t afford it, I’m 99% sure that was the reaosn
The fact that she invalidates his concern and his needs because "he's 16" says more about her than it does about him. She is probably a major part of WHY he is experiencing what he is experiencing, because she is damn well the reason why he isn't getting the help he needs.
Lesson here, do not have children. You never know what could happen.
@@drakecarter1780 She has 3 kids and only 1 turned out to be a bad egg...if anything it shows what happens to a man when he is raised in a house full of women with no male role model.
@@businessofrhythm2315 I’m glad someone said it.
Yelling at an acutely depressed person going through it about What theyre Gonna Do to solve Their problem is insane & cruel. I get theyre not equipped & stressed about money but My Hod focus on the moment youre in & uh, she obviously has no idea how to feel better.
This country is so backwards in who is protected: the rich-versus vulnerable people.
Did you peep how they were hugging and consoling each other? No empathy for their daughter, but all the support in the world for each other. I hope they see this and recognize how terribly they are handling their daughters needs.
Remember... Florida man was once a Florida Kid
And the boomer just say they just need to toughen up and stop being snowflake, than shove them out to DIY for solution to their stress.
@@noirto2 that sentence didnt make any sence please retype
@@morganhillfightclub2996 its a stupid internet challenge u type in florida man then ur birthday and see what crazy shit people did on that day lol
@@morganhillfightclub2996 And the boomer just say "they just need to toughen up and stop being snowflake", than shove the gen Y out back into the world to DIY for solution to their stress.
@@noirto2 ohhh now I see what you mean sorry
girl: * talks about her problems *
therapist: * doesnt even comfort her* ok we will give you medication
this isnt therapy its just numbing them with meds so theyll be quiet. wtf.
Most therapists/doctors get paid everytime they prescribe pills. That's how the opioid epidemic started.
Unfortunately a lot of mental health care is like this. When I started seeing a therapist she referred me to a psychiatrist to get prescribed anti-depressants. I always wonder why they don't try harder to help you become better without medication. They treat medication like it has to be a part of someone's treatment.
Speaking from experience, throwing meds at the issue just makes things worse.
That's what psychiatrists do. I've been working with them since age 7. Your comment is the hard truth
@@isaacb5968 Same thing with my experience. I just became more depressed and suicidal and developed anxiety later on as well
when the teenage blonde girl said “i just don’t wanna feel like this anymore”...i don’t know why that one line hit me so hard. almost made me cry
Hailey's parents also highlight the growing problem of parenting in America: having children for the attention or religious reasons, but not willing to get their hands dirty when things don't go the way they thought things would. In the world of two income households, children aren't getting the attention from parents, that their parents received. I believe there's a direct correlation between mental health and the attention children get from their parents growing up. There's a reason that there was no "pandemic baby boom" when people were locked down. I believe people are realizing that if you can't afford to support even yourself during an emergency, there's no way can survive with kids.
Chris: "I need residential care, I think that would really benefit me"
Mom: "I don't think that's the best option for him..he's only 16 he doesn't know what's good for him"
Yikes...there's a major issue in this mindset that just because he is a teenager, that he cannot take steps towards knowing what is best for him. Breaks my heart.
And that's why his behaviour got worse and worse, because he WASN'T getting the support he KNEW he needed.
Also doesn't help that from what I gather most insurance doesn't cover what he needs. Maybe the mom was too embarrassed to say she couldn't pay for it? It's just all f'd up.
Haley Weis
Ikr
Mother doesn't always know what's best
As a result, kid steals a gun, gets felony charges, gets expelled. Mother still refuses him care.
@@kataratify yeah i agree
"oh you're 16 you don't know what you need"
parents clearly don't know or understand what they're up against
And parents don't know either or else their kid wouldn't be in there.
These kids don't know what they need either. They probably gorge on sugar and are extremely deficient in simple vitamins and minerals, giving them no tolerance to stress or an opportunity to relax. Magnesium deficiency, look it up.
I can show you many anecdotes and even studies that show that simple mineral deficiencies can contribute to depression.
Just as well, long since we have gotten away from our hunter gatherer state of being, our diets have been cut off from our natural state. We don't have the physical support we used to get from our diets. This is one part of a big puzzle.
Kids need to be shown that the way forward is through self acceptance and also by fighting the negativity we feel inside through exercise or art. That pain is a part of life, it's very natural. But what isn't natural is that we have no ability to deal with from a neurological or biological standpoint.
@@DruneMusic if you were my parent and told me that, I would probably kill myself, because if this is how I'm supposed to feel I might just not live.
Ren tbh might as well
Brett Kulsavage you are ignorant.
“You have a good support system around you and we’re here to make you feel better (as long as your insurance pays)”
Do you think those people want to think about that no , the people in the industry want the best for these children and some will take them on as if they were there own.
Boy. if I had a dollar for every time I had to deal with THAT issue!
Chris was failed by the system. He asked for more help and was denied it not only by the system, but his own mother. May you rest in peace baby…
In the 1 minute the father was talking I got the feeling he was a source of some of his daughters issues.
I agree, he acts the same as this one father I once knew
Looked like there was way too much responsibility being pressed on her for her age and what she's going though. You can't solve a mental health crisis in 72 hours, it's impossible. Healing is possible but it happens over years. Asking someone that is dooming them to run that demand through their head the whole time they're there and taking away the chance to make real progress.
I'm sure it was both the parents, neither seem responsible in the way that they just both are clueless as to the state of their daughter's mental health. You should be in touch with those things are a parent.
"Have you thought up a plan? have you thought up a solution?" Jeeez, asking a KID IN DISTRESS to problem-solve their own mental health issues isn't going to get you very far.
People who wear "affliction" style graphic-tees into their 30s and 40s should not be allowed to have children lol
The police being called in those situations sends the idea that being mentally ill is a crime.
I mean most state don’t have like a mental health line they can call and somebody can drive over there and talk to them. It’s much better to have someone one in person as the child could still go through with it and just hang up. There should be mental health therapist that work with the police but sadly we do have that
I have been baker acted quite a few times growing up. Most of which my parents called against my will and now I have PTSD level anxiety when police are nearby. I grew up trying different medications to help with bipolar Disorder, ADD, ADHD autism and depression, all of which never worked long term and barely for a month. Thankfully I was on Medicaid but I never truly was listened to. Every time I went I felt like I gotta fake it to try and get through the 72 hours as quickly as possible. Honestly halifax behavioral society in daytona beach, FL is purely unhelpful to say lightly. I wish I could actually do more to be able to help those who have mental health crisises and disabilities.
@@mattwhaley1865 I am so sorry you had to go through that. I hope you could find the right medication and mental health professionals to help you.
@@sierragoin863 I respectfully disagree, we have already seen that case where a mentally ill person was having a crisis and was killed by a policeman. The US police seem to have little to no training to deal with those kinds of situations.
Harming people is a crime. If people need to be removed from the situation to prevent from harming themselves and others then that’s what needs to happen.
Am I the only one who sees that these kids who get baker acted and spend time in these 72hr facilities should stick together? They all seem a lot happier when they’re surrounded by each other. Chris said himself that he has no real friends, but he clearly does have friends in those facilities who “miss [him]” whenever he leaves. Sometimes the best therapy comes from peers
exactly. it's probably the best support system for them because they're able to build each other up and better themselves. but as we see with this video, healthcare has been privatized and families are going broke simply to help their kids with something they can't control.
@@giannaa.4499 right, but they can still exchange info and hang out. They don’t have to be in the facility to maintain friendships
ive been to a facility were not allowed to share info but we do secretly and to this day i still talk to my old room mates i had in the facility
It depends. It can be beneficial to have a support network, but it also has the potential to be a risk if something goes wrong. They would probably be at higher risk of suicide-contagion or similar problems.
It was proven a long time ago that keeping mental patients together in groups over long periods of time makes it even more dangerous and potentially violent to the community and society at large.
“I don’t wanna burden anybody else with that” I felt that.
Kids: this is what I need
Parents & doctors: you don’t know what you need
PRETTY MUCH
That's what upset me about this specific case. The kid is telling them what he needs and they continue to not listen to him. Just highlights one of the major problems with teen suicide. People are hearing but not actually listening to these kids.
It's sad -- it's only the most outwardly troubled family member that gets looked at as the problem and sent to therapy and treatment, when in reality the kid is merely a symptom of a systemic familial system of lack of support and understanding. The whole family should be getting therapy independently of just the one kid showing the worst of the symptoms but because he's the one the least able to cope he's singled out and made to feel like a burden and a problem, all the while the authoritative figures in his life don't listen to him when he's telling them what he wants/needs. So infuriating!!
@@Cordial_Lump As a mother, I will let y'all know, those shitty parents don't represent all of us. Just like as a mother, if my daughter ends up dealing with depression or anything of that matter, I will even scrap change and as much money as possible so I can get her the proper treatment and help her in the best way possible. So she knows that she's not alone in this and that when she goes through things, we go through it together. I get upset when I see kids being ignored by their parents when they tell them they're not OK mentally or emotionally and that they need help. I hate piece of shit parents that bash them or make them feel like they don't have anyone to talk to. Then they wonder why suicides happen.
Exactly! This was very frustrating to watch.
Imagine a child going to one of those expensive places knowing that they are bankrupting their parents in order to try and heal... that alone would push most over the edge. Gotta love UhMerica.
Thats what I thought the whole time I was in a mental health hospital.
oh i mean in other countries those kids would not be given any help. America is probably the best country to be in to deal with mental health. I'm assuming you live there and are just so close minded that you don't realize how much privilege you have.
@@0IIIIII at least republicans didn't literally fight to the death to keep slavery. Honestly do just a little bit of research before using the word uneducated.
This weighed on me when i went through my own mental health issues, but once i expressed those feelings my parents said they would spend anything to save me. It hit me how much mean to people and helped me see my own self worth
@@ghostweathermusic The OECD lists the US as having the most expensive (% GDP) and the least comprehensive healthcare among developed nations. US has too much for profit bloat. Other countries objectively prove that universal healthcare is bettet
The parents are hugging each other but not their kid? The kid needs support and love!
I had parents that were so disconnected from me and a high school that didn't care I almost gave up. Still to this day I don't know what kept me in the fight but I feel for these kids.
Me too ❤️
5:26 ....how the F is a 14 yrold kid supposed to come up with a plan to help/fix her depression....man this is juat heartbreaking!!
Yeah, her parenting kinda showed why she has anxiety
I relate to her in a way.
Yeah, that was disgusting. These parents played the victim in this situation. "What are we suppose to do, mortgage the house?" *mom chokes*. Absolutely disgusting. What that child needs is moral support and a commitment to just being around when they need it most. Worry about the potential institutionalization or medication later.
White people problems
Anders Bowe sounds about white
"Do you have anyone you can talk to about your suicidal thoughts?"
"I thought I did. They had me committed."
Pretty much, I have enormous amounts of people I know who the legal consequences of getting committed are significantly too steep for them to admit to others they have issues.
@@DeviantDespot Yup. I think the threat of being committed keeps a lot of people from getting counseling, too. I actually have access to free counseling, but I can't use it because I'd have to lie to the guy. I'm way to honest and nonchalant for therapy. haha.
I can confirm its an issue. I cant tell anyone I want to die without laughing it off as like a joke or something because god forbid they get me hospitalized. I just can't fucking afford it. Money is the reason I'm depressed and I'm depressed because I lack the motivation and will to go out and make some. Can't afford to live, can't afford to die, can't afford to express it.
I agree that you might not be able to tell a therapist that you're going to kill yourself without them contacting the authorities, but talking to them about WANTING to kill yourself or suicidal fantasies is safe. I mean.... unless the therapist knows nothing about doing their fucking job.
@@heyyou1911 It's so unfair that we're born into this world without our consent and then we're just expected to abide by the rules of it and be ok with the way this world functions, and expected to bust our asses to make money and be miserable to stay alive, it's not like we asked to be here. Then when someone hates the laws and hates the fucked up things in this society and world, and acts out or wants to die, they're either put behind bars or expected to work to make money for their own care.
As someone that got baker acted after a bad reaction to new antidepressants. I was forced into staying for the weekend, and the staffers/people staying in the facility were treating it more like a minimum security prison. Understaffed, over crowded and doesn't offer any actual time to sit and talk with a doctor that is over 5 mins.
Gracepoint isn't a safe place for those with mental health needs, and they're SUPER under funded and under staffed
Absolutely
Same thing happened to me. It made me want to never tell anyone if I was struggling again because I didn’t want to be somewhere like that again
Similar. It was more of a prison. They made me take Zoloft and I had severe rashes within days of taking it. They made me anyway. Everytime they gave me my dosage, the staff also made me open my mouth to check if I swallowed.
Psilocybin saved my life. I was addicted to heroin for 15 years and after Psilocybin treatment I will be 3 years clean in September. I have zero cravings.
This is something that truly needs to be more broadly used in addiction treatment.
Please does anyone know where I can get them? I put so much on my plate and it really affects my stress and anxiety levels, I would love to try shrooms
Yes, bergwilly11
Is he on instagram?
Shrooms was the best trip I had. It was an amazing experience.
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Everything wrong with Hailey's parents:
At the beginning of the conversation, we see a desperate, anxious, and vulnerable Hailey crying and pleading for help. She knows she needs treatment and she wants something done about it but her parents are resisting
5:18 "So now you have to build yourself up and become strong" this is a backhanded piece of advice. The mom is actually putting blame on Hailey, saying she was too weak to stop her suicide attempts
5:23-5:28 Notice the father's tone. Very condescending, very terse, very dismissive. He's using this tone to express his exasperation with this whole process. He believes it is a phase or that Hailey is "acting" for attention
5:29 The mom is essentially doing the same thing here. Her saying "we don't have to figure this out right now" is in confrontation with Hailey's desire to get help and receive treatment. She wants this to be over just as much as the father does
5:40 "have you thought of any plans?" Classic manipulation tactic. Hailey's mom is shifting all of the responsibility and by extension blame for the current situation over to a distressed and confused teenager. She likely has problems taking personal responsibility.
6:00 "She doesn't know where her heads at is the dad essentially confessing that he thinks his daughter is lost and confused. Almost as if he thinks this may be puberty related.
These parents clearly have no idea how to raise a child with mental health issues, likely because their country upbringing had no mention of it at all. They're taking the "walk it off, it'll sort itself out eventually approach", when in reality they should be looking to directly intervene.
At the end of the day what they were saying was right.
Sadly I'm guilty of saying this kind of stuff myself. The constant worry that something bad will happen when a family member has mental health issues takes a massive toll on your own patience. Not saying It's right, but when suscepted to constant worry you get tired and start saying stuff that you probably shouldn't and projecting your own worry unto said family member. At the end you just want it to stop, maybe you even start disliking the person because you've told yourself that this is all their fault, and you hate the source of the worry.
Explaining away the medical reasons for mental problems and regressing to an attitude of "you're selfish for doing this to us, and it is your responsibility to stop being a crybaby" is in that case very easy and quite comforting. I don't think it has anything to do with low education or lack of empathy, I think it's a natural response.
Don't forget that mental health issues are hard for everyone, not just the person suffering from it.
@@bobbyguzman3058 "build yourself up and make yourself strong" is such a vague and useless piece of advice for a teenager struggling with suicidal thoughts. Parents shouldn't be telling her to come up with a plan on their own; they shouldn't be using their supposed superior wisdom and critical thinking skills to _support_ their kid and help them come up with a way to fix or confront her problems
@@hugogh3507 Oh definitely. There is a huge difference between someone who cannot get help and someone who refuses it. If you refuse it, the burden is on you. As a friend or family member, you are not obligated to put up with it anymore.
And the whole conversation goes out the window once that bill comes through... bottom line is that this poor girl will not get the support from anyone because the resources are too expensive to obtain. Thats really messed up. you have two parents who are too frustrated to and ignorant on how to help their child and a system that will not do anything unless it is paid up front.
It hit me "I am worried about the school. I am worried about the home." "Well we will prescribe you some medications." WTF?
Right? Where is the counseling that these kids need? I'd be asking her what's going on at home to make her worry.
Medication does not solve the issue. It is a temporary bandage to something huge.
People in the u.s. are too lazy so thats why suicide is popular!!
Speaking from experience-throwing meds at the issue just makes things worse.
They have 3 days to get someone from suicidal to not suicidal. Sometimes medication is all they can do. Its the system that sucks
My heart broke when haileys mom asked her if she had a plan when she was asking them for help.
I got baker acted when I was 14 in Hillsborough county. Grace point to be exact. Grace point is definitely playing it up for the cameras, it is underfunded and understaffed the food is dog food. We were all kids and yet you feel like a prisoner rather than getting mental health help. I went to one therapy session after where my parents sat in and it was awful. Never went backed or asked for help after until now that I’m an adult.
If I was a kid today I'd probably feel hopeless myself. Look at the pointless, greedy, corrupt world we created for them.
Yup.
My doctor keeps trying to put me on meds. I tell them. “I’m homeless. Alone.and struggling to survive. I’m supposed to feel unhappy about this. The only way to feel good about this would be to completely Destroy my capacity to think. And that certainly won’t help my poverty”
Isidore Aerys very upfront and honest way of viewing it. Hope you can better your situation and live more comfortably
Isidore Aerys get a job
I don't feel hopeless. I feel optimistic. In a sense I was "saved" but not by Jesus (though I think he was a pretty cool guy if he existed) but by scientific analysis of the world as a whole.
Some call it Marxism but a lot of anti-Marxists do the same thing.
That's exactly how I feel. People are dying because people can't agree on something that should be common sense and the greedy and corrupt are winning. What's the point of trying if your just going to be beaten down by horrible people
Notice how mental health patients are treated like prisoners. My mental health would get worse in that kind of environment.
For most of history people with mental illness would just be sent to the same prison as all criminals; it’s better now but the same mentality is still alive unfortunately
Everbodys mental health would got worse
And then FL conservative parents blame mental hospital victims for “bad choices” while glorifying mental hospital violence and behavioral policing.
I live in Florida and witnessed it first hand at my job. I had to work at the Behavioral Health part of the hospital and what I witnessed really upset me. We need change badly!
In Florida, these are just treated by the Police as concentration camps for the Homeless. Case in point is Lakeside Alternatives in Orlando. I've known folks who worked and were held there where people working there randomly physically attacking patients with no consequences was not unheard of (and quite the norm.) The hospitals now are not much different (if not worse) than the Sunland hospitals they replaced in the 1980s.
I would not be surprised if other facilities (like this one, when the cameras are not rolling) have many similar stories.
Mental health care in FL is terrible for most everyone.
Chris’ Mom pissed me off. “You see your child suffering and there’s nothing you can do.”
BRUH! He said he needed residential care. Then when that was denied he said he needed a therapist. Clearly neither of those things were provided. The basic thing you need to do is LISTEN TO YOUR SON. It makes me angry.
i think there's definitely a story around it. maybe they are struggling financially ? maybe she doesn't believe in therapy? strange.
@@56658 im chris's sister and our adoptive family definitely had the money. instead of sending chris to residential care facility they sent me to one in orlando for three months when i didn't need or want to. unfortunately his needs were ignored and he took his life two years ago.
My friend, James, took his own life my sophomore year of high school. We were only 15. Now I am an adult and sometimes I weep at the thought of never seeing how his life would have played out, what he'd be my like at my age, etc. I wish we had better mental health resources in our communities. I am so grateful for those workers who dedicate their lives to this and I feel for the parents who have to deal with this alongside their hurting children. Love your way.
only 15??! wow his whole life ahead of him. What do u think is the problem? is it the environment? pressure of parents and society of who u ought to be? i have a brother who is going to be 16 and i would die if he ever did something like that. Society is sick and values more being strong independent materialism money etc. this world is a gutter
Chris’ mom makes me angry. He was clearly asking for long time care and she said “he’s 16 he doesn’t understand”. He understands he needs help and WANTS the help.
This is so incredibly sad...
Yes. She is selfish. She is trying to keep him home with family she can't let go. He is trying to DISTANCE himself from them into residential care to protect himself and his family. Poor kid...truly misunderstood.
Right!? Like, no lady, YOU don't understand
@@Sarah-or2zo thank god someone said it.
What if she can't afford it? What if he needs to learn consequences of actions, the value of life and freedom. I mean the kid is sixteen. At sixteen you should know right from wrong, you should have some understanding of life
Girl: we, specifically me, have a problem
Well whats ur plan
IF SHE KNEW SHE WOULDN'T BE HERE
Leia Jiang I think the parents are the main problem
Leia Jiang tbh you don’t really know how much effort are putting in.
@@KC-cb7ov idk, the father had this smirk about him that put me off, like he expects this 14 yo girl to "man up."
Scallie It’s not the first time the father has been in that situation. I’m sure he knows this won’t be the last time his daughter wants to commit suicide.
There are probably other underlying mental issues with his daughter.
A teenager with mental issues is w challenge
I know. Leave it to so called professionals to act retarded questions
the parents are so out of touch with the kid's needs. no adult in that situation was actually listening to what the kids were saying and then were surprised when the thing that didn't before didn't work again
0:40 this intake conversation is so cold that it’s scary. Can you imagine sitting in an exam room, describing one of the worst moments of your life to somebody who isn’t even facing you and who’s actively filling in some form on the computer?
Indeed
6:00 asking your kid what you, as a parent, should do is ridiculous. She’s broken and needs a hug, not an interrogation from her parents🤦🏼♀️
true...
Olivia B thank you, that’s exactly what I needed, and without that support I ended up with another 25 days in a baker act facility and finally a residential that only
Helped with two of my 5 diagnosis’s
That section is so fucking bullshit. "So, what's the plan?" The fucking plan? She's 14 IIRC, she's not going to have a plan. Be fucking responsible for your kid and learn about their illness instead of ignoring it and pretending that she just needs to buck up and form a plan for her life. She needs treatment and support, and you need to be the ones to formulate that plan for her. It's like they expect her to understand the US healthcare system more than they do. Seriously?
My parents were the exact same way. Ship me off to a psychologist for a diagnosis, and then once I'm diagnosed they refuse to learn anything about the diagnosis and expect me to get instantly better because I'm seeing a psychologist now. No, I need your support. This isn't how mental illness/disability work. Fortunately I eventually got short-term residential treatment, which helped immensely, but I still have a disability and a mental illness, and they still don't have any interest in learning about how they affect me. They figure that now that I've been to residential and seen a psychologist that I'll suddenly be completely normal, able to get a high paying, high pressure job, have a wife and kids, and get back to the way they used to see me when I hid my issues from them. No, it's not that simple. Sure, I'm not suicidal anymore, and for the most part I'm relatively happy, but my brain stops working in high-pressure situations and there's nothing anybody, including myself, can do about it. So help me.
Help your fucking kids, listen to them. Learn about them and the way their illness or disability affects them. Step up and drop your expectations about a perfect happy child, lose the fantasy. Meet them where they are, not where you think they should be. It's simple.
Lady asks whats your plan? Kid " im gonna kill myself u dolt
@@haileygotsis7875 That's what got me so upset. You were stressed out, in distress, you need help, but it felt like your parents wanted a quick-fast solution that someone else will give them, instead of trying to come up with a short AND long-term plan for you at this moment. If you had a solution, you wouldn't be asking for help. I found your scene the most distressing for that reason. My mother especially doesn't like to listen to what I have to say, is a major source for my distress, but when I just try to express another contrasting view or say "I don't know," etc., she keeps saying that there's something wrong with me and has only pretended to be supportive of mental health and is all "you're a great creation by god, I hope you have courage to be who you want to be" when I blow up at her, yet she's also like "you're not depressed, you're just avoiding reality, be strong and successful." I hate talking to her and she likes to act like the victim when she upsets me, and I only started searching for psychiatric help when she moved away from me. Thank you for sharing!
She's so right . You can't solve it in 72 hours, or 1x week therapy, etc. Even a medication change takes weeks
Some medication can act pretty fast like anxiety drugs,but i get your point
The medication aspect really scares and bothers me. Most psych drugs are studied on adults, not children or adolescents. Even in adults some medications can make symptoms worse or cause new issues. These kids are prescribed meds during a crisis within 72hrs!?! How is that enough time or the proper time to diagnose and prescribe meds? Where or what is the follow up? And that's just for meds! What about therapy? They have group and individual therapy for 72hrs. How is that enough time to build trust enough to actually open up?
@@ktkatzenjammer945 idk man all i know is meds can be life changing
As a mental nurse in FL it can be a first step. There isn't just a mental health problem in FL its all over the US. We have come along way but we have a long way to go. Look at the 2 recent cases in NY and TX. Had that teen been baker acted maybe 19 babies wouldn't have lost their lives. And look at skid row in California, there are alot of homeless kids on the streets. Fighting alone in silence. With technology, covid lock downs and politics today its no wonder these things are happening. Our country is failing its innocent in many ways. ✌❤
@@wholesomekeanureeves9466 thats not true at all. benzos (assuming thats what you mean) do offer rapid relief from the symptoms of anxiety but it doesn't help in the long term at all and if it is overdone in any way it can easily make it worse. becoming dependant on tranquillisers isn't a cure
I love how the first thing Chris said he needed when he was making his safety plan with his mom at GracePoint was that he needed time in his room to process his emotions, and then at the end of the video what's his mom doing? Insisting that he conform to her image of happy family around the dinner table, and he has to repeat to her FOUR TIMES that he wants to take a break.
As someone with just one parent I’ll tell you having 2 GOOD parents in your life is super important for social development.
As someone who has just one as well. I agree but just one who’s doing there best is good enough when it’s all you got
I have a friend who tried to off himself and got baker acted without insurance. His medical bills bankrupted him and he ended up homeless for 9 months.
Wtf...
How much were the bills?
@@roxanateodora8874 probably several thousand
America seems like such a nice place
Wow! Most hospitals will work with you. Even $5 will keep it from going to the creditors
Every adult here seems painfully disconnected from themselves, even before the children in need. So sad. We keep choosing the wrong heros.
Steven Williams troll.
STAFF BECOME DISCONNECTED BECAUSE IT IS HEART BREAKING IF YOU START BONDING WITH THE PATIENT :AND THE OTHER SIDE OF THAT BLADE IS THE PATIENTS NEED THAT BOND OF TRUST THAT HAND TO HOLD . IMAGINE DAY IN DAY OUT ALL YOU DEAL. WITH IS HOPELESSNESS YOU WANT TO SHAKE THEM GET A CLUE AND HUG THEM AT THE SAME TIME. AS A REGISTERED NURSE I NO LONGER WORK CHILD ADOLESCENT PSYCHOLOGY BECAUSE IT BROKE MY HEART AND THE FIRST THING MOST IMPORTANT THING THESE KIDS NEED IS NEW PARENTS ! PARENTS WHO WILL LISTEN AND NOT BE AFRAID TO BE HONEST WITH THEIR CHILDREN AND HUG THEM DAMN IT HUG THEM !
This is so true!!!
David Waelder these videos are NOT how they are in there believe me these people always have a second face
Capitalistic society. You have to give up a certain amount of humanity just to participate.
When I worked for CPS in FL I would get so annoyed about calling police for a Baker Act. They don't know anything about mental health and most of the time you would have to spell out everything to them. They wouldn't want to deal with the paperwork.
Those parents make me sick. They literally treat thier own child like a burden and like a problem. That is what I'm seeing and hearing about a lot of parents these days. This is why there is a whole generation of young people who are depressed and suicidal. Parents need to take responsibility And stop pushing the blame on everything but themselves. The mentality of "it's everyone else's fault but mine" is destructive to the person and the people around them and in their lives.
The "What's your plan?" part totally disgusted me. She's a child on lockdown in a mental health facility. Why the hell aren't THEY coming up with a plan for what to do when she gets out?
There's also the part where she is clearly asking for help ("I've done what I needed to do to keep myself safe, but...") and her idiot mother's best response is basically telling her to man up. "So YOU have to build YOURSELF up and become strong." Putting 100% of the blame and responsibility for the problem onto the girl. Then, the equally stupid father chimes in "Well YOU have 72 hours to do it." because he refuses to help or support her either. Strong, emotionally healthy families support each other and get through things like that TOGETHER. HEALTHY families say things like "What can I do to help? Is there anything you need? If there's anything you want to talk about, I won't judge you, and I'm here. Focus on getting through the next 72 hours, and then we will talk to your doctors to make a plan when they have examined you. We love you, it's okay, you'll get through this." Those parents comfort each other more than they comfort their own child. Then, they blame the kid for their emotions "You know SHE doesn't have any answers to any questions, SHE doesn't know where her head's at... it's like, so what do we do?"
You want to know what you idiots could do for your kid that wouldn't cost an arm and a leg? LISTEN to her. Stop blaming her, empathize with her, find ways to get her into activities at school that could give her supportive peer relationships, stop viewing her as the problem instead of someone who needs your support. There are SO MANY resources on the internet for free about how to be there for your child and other people who are going through things like this. If you talked to the school, they may be able to find resources like sliding scale therapists or group therapy. You have SO MANY things that you can do for free. But, you're so caught up in putting all the responsibility for the situation onto her that you are only focused on how her feelings impact YOU.
Most parents worry about the cost of care for their children, but only bad parents act like that's an excuse for them to do NOTHING at all.
Don't have kids if you're as self-centered, emotionally undeveloped, and irresponsible as those parents. It's sad that I'm probably less than half the age of those parents and know how to deal with that situation better than they do. I hope their daughter finds other people who will support her in the future because if that's the way they treat her when she needs them most, then I doubt they give a damn about her feelings normally. I hope some day she sees the comments on this video and realizes that's not the way most people would treat their friends, let alone their own children. And I bet that in the future, her parents will probably just say something like "We didn't know what to do. We did the best we could!" (doing nothing at fucking all and putting their responsibilities as parents onto the kid being the "best" they could do.)
I really hope that kid makes it through all the bullshit her parents are putting her through.
And if anybody actually read all this, go check out the Psychology in Seattle channel because he talks a lot about dysfunctional family structures and how to support people like Hailey who have been hurt by them.
thank you for this comment. as a person who developed BPD mostly because my family structure, it is a relief to see that someone out there understands that is not my fault.
Grow up, the parents are teaching their kids RESPONSIBILITY something this pathetic weak generation lacks
@@madchenyt lmao stop blaming others for YOUR issues
Why isn't anyone looking into the fact that he thought he needed pepper spray to get through a school day? Who was bullying this kid? The real questions weren`t answered here.
Nom de Guerre I wish my mom was like you. You’re a good parent.
What you mean like.. try to use the process of our judicial system in a school to provide our youth with exposure to how our legal systems work, and show to our youth that we can protect them and their rights using a working system?
That's crazy talk.
Good question here
im chris's sister and he took his life two years ago im trying to spread the word because he didn't deserve what he went through. It was basically everyone, kids on the bus, in his classes, even kids in our neighborhood. he'd been robbed at a 7/11 at gunpoint. pistol whipped by some kid in our neighborhood. hit by a car while riding his bike to school. he never had it easy and could never catch a break. his need were ignored and he stayed at the park in our neighborhood smoking and drinking every day.
It’s unbelievably touching to see these kids that are in pain themselves selflessly share their story hoping to educate and potentially help others in pain. They are so much stronger, smarter and more than they even realize. It’s already so obvious even in their young age just how much potential they have. Every one of these kids has a brighter light than they realize yet. God bless them and their honesty and strength and the kind souls that care for them and are helping them. 🙏🏻
Watching haileys parents comfort each other better than their own child is sad.
The guy's questions to the kid at 19:57 was incredibly unprofessional I think, "so let me ask you this though, so you have no friends?" ... and then he dismissed his online friends as "invisible" or "virtual". Very closed minded and out of touch with how the modern child's social circle includes online friends (which can be, and often are, very real)
Joel Martinez yes! Thank you for acknowledging this. I’m so disappointed in this man.
I agree. I thought he would be more understanding of the online friends and not dismiss it as fake or “invisible”. Shame on him
Old psychologists die hard
@Ryan North If your job is to work with kids who are already struggling, it is your JOB to understand where the kids are coming from. Some grandpa on the corner thinking like that is fine; I expect more from a trained professional
people you chat with online aren't the same as real friends. yeah the guy was rude but I think he has a point that everyone needs friends
*people with mental health issues* : " I got 72 hours then what? Go into debt to save myself?"
*Politicians/Legislators that don't support healthcare for all* : "Well someones gotta pay."
Oh man I feel for these kids.
You consider taxes theft but I and most people do not. We like roads being built and water being delivered through pipes and a military.
And also you act as if suicides never happened before the invention of video games and the internet... Get back to me once you are actually connected to reality and not just making shit up that suits your views on life.
@@hellzshotgun the West is degenerate and because of this suicides and overdoses are sky rocketing.. yeah you like roads and public services that's ok I guess but it never stops there does it? You want the people to be bleed dry to look after those who will only grow in number under a system of liberal degeneracy. Why don't you get back to me when you stop seeing the world through a 1850's political lense.
Lmao!!! 😂
@@jeremykaleschenkoikov6993 as if the poor are going to be taxed to pay for free healthcare, the taxes will be on the rich and on corporations who currently avoid tax. the current effective tax rate for the top 1% is 18%!! if we raise that to 1950s levels we can easily pay for healthcare
crimeangothic EXACTLY! People just refused to remember that before the rich used to in fact pay their fare share in taxes and now they don’t so that’s what’s hurting the middle class and the economy in general
ISTG this doc has made me cry more than almost anything I've seen in recent memory. It's just heartbreaking to see so many people who are younger than me (I'm 19) go through this stuff and be misunderstood and short changed by both their parents and the system. This video also touched me since ove so struggled with mental health in the past and still do occasionally though I never wanted to kill or physically harm myself. As such, watching the parents in the beginning hug their kid with concern made me break down since I've been the kid in that situation before(well at home). Case and point, I just want to say that this was amazingly well done. Last but not least, for anyone struggling, one coping mechanism I recommend is taking up an artistic hobby of some sort with some type of learning curve since practicing and getting better can be incredibly rewarding and eventually creating can be extremely liberating. While this mechanism isn't right for everyone, I can personally say that playing drums/percussion has helped my mental health a lot over the years(I started when i was 10 or so), especially when I began to practice more seriously during my junior and senior years of hs while also falling in love with genres like jazz, funk, blues and latin. My point with that is that once you find something you like and work a lot towards it, it can be extremely rewarding and help a lot with darker mental spells but everyone's different so your coping mechanisms may be different😊
Any parents reading this
Please
Teach your children but do not judge them. There is no such thing as a perfect parent, but being an outlet your kid feels safe to talk to without being judged/ dismissed/ condescended is worth it's weight in GOLD.
Yes exactly always listen to ur children. Never brush them off. My mom taught me this by showing me. But even she could not help me 25 years ago. Nobody else would listen to my cries for help. Until I forced their hand. And it should never be like that. Now with my kid, everything is an open book. I want her to tell me anything and everything. I will do whatever it takes for her not to suffer the way I did. And I'm def not saying it's my moms fault, she was just too easily pushed around by like school figures and law enforcement. I will never back down from anyone when it comes to helping my child. No matter what. And I always want her to come to me or someone with her problems. Never keep them inside.
Yes literally true
Chris: I need a residential stay or it's gonna get worse
His mom: no
*things get so bad he gets arrested and jailed
Wow I wonder what could have prevented that
Brooklen wits YES! I was so frustrated hearing this. The fact this child is SCREAMING out for help and has the capacity to voluntarily identify he needs inpatient help, and mom selfishly wants to “explore all options first” - I knew when I heard that as this episode progressed - that kid would get farther & farther into his depression and cries for help. So frustrating watching this
THE TRUTH IS SHE CAN'T AFFORD IT AND MOST INSURANCE COMPANIES WON'T PAY. CARE IS JUST TOO EXPENSIVE.
Camille Fedrick and your fucking point?!?!
Autumn Bray the point it all the comments and trying to make it seem like the Mum is dumb and doesn’t care, but she literally can’t afford that care..it’s insanely expensive and she was probably too embarrassed to say that
Anna Jolie and what I, and many others are saying, is that insurance doesn’t make a difference when your kids life is at stake. And money REALLY doesn’t matter if your kids life is at stake. Even if they don’t commit suicide then they’re still setting the kid up for failure! If you’re suffering with depression SO badly that you have to be Baker Acted then the likelihood of being able to get good grades in school is slim. Without good grades it’s harder to get into college and without college they have a bigger chance of not being able to get a better job in the future.
You’re not just screwing their life up now, but also potentially for the rest of their lives.
I've been hospitalized twice and that first conversation that girl was having with her parents was too real. These facilities should give parents resources just as much as their children, because parents don't know what to do or how to help.
Hope you're doing better
Omg yes this. This comment made me almost cry. My mom says you gotta Force yourself to get better. But that doesn't help me. Telling me oh you gotta Force yourself to do stuff you don't have energy to do doesn't help someone with depression. Like I'm not freaking lazy . I'm unmotivated, I'm exhausted 24/7, I'm not sleeping, I'm freaking depressed and horribly anxious!
Exactly. Everyone on here is like "the parents are the problem". But handling your child's mental illness is damn near impossible. Parents don't know why the kids are truly acting like that. Is it lack of attention? Is it loneliness? Is it not being hard enough on them to take responsibility? Is it being too hard on them? It's hard to keep your own mental health together let alone your vulnerable child's
I was thinking sweden had bad mental health support. But Jesus christ America is on a new fucking level mabey the shootings arena becouse of your trash Gun freedom but now om thinking its becouse of your mental health support.
@@magnuscarlsenbutdumb it's probably a combination of both lmao
I love how the American government decides that spending more money on the military-industrial complex is more important than public healthcare, FrEed0M
Girl I went to one of these in Texas voluntarily and they took so long I just told them I wasn’t suicidal anymore I was just pissed they were taking so long to get me help.
*mother crying*: I just don't know what to do, there's nothing I can do to make him better.
Son: I need 24/7 care!
Mother: no.
(This is what I got from this video)
She can't afford it.
@@valeriaco6017 she also said that the son "doesn't know what he needs", when he obviously does.
@@CeramicGod he is ofc old enough to know but a recommendation from a professional will help a mother see things as they are
That and single mothers can't raise men. They statistically fail more than not.
@@jeremykaleschenkoikov6993 correct. A boy needs his dad to truely understand himself. A woman is incapable of knowing how to raise a Man.
The kid probably wants residential treatment because he wants to be in a community with other kids he believes he could relate to. Wanting residential implies hope and a desire to live. For a kid who consistently says he's hopeless, and doesn't want to live, seems obvious you should follow that route. He's trying to plant that seed.
Sending out 1 counselor who is over 50 years old to visit his house misses the point. Seems the product of bureaucratic/financial considerations.
also working with parents at home is great. But it seemed that the counselor and the mom were part of a "team", it felt as if he was just trapped between his mom and that counselor. definitely not going to help much. if i was him i would feel the need to stay in a defensive mindset because i would feel that there are two people trying to do something with me when i am in a very anxious, stressed and "week" position. That situation didn't look very nurturing and safe.
E X A C T L Y
The kid even says to the guy's face that he wants to be able to relate to someone.
Who’s gonna pay for it ? It should be free for children
There's also power in a change of scenery - a refreshing viewpoint in an area dedicated to helping you and where you don't need to hide was something I felt he wanted, and I wish she just said "as much as I want to send him there, I just can't afford to." But no, she even said she didn't believe it could help him at all. It's okay to have reservations, but can't you try to see his vision?
I was yelling at the screen to the parents to “do something”!!!
I understand though, my parents didn’t do anything to help me. I had to help myself.
This breaks my heart! I can’t wait to be a foster mom and help children ❤️
*PRAY IT AWAY!!! AND RON DESANTIS CAN HELP SAVE YOUR DAY!!!* 🇺🇲🇺🇲🇺🇲🔥
@Cabury Egg hope ur joking
that number, 72, 72 hours, I can’t imagine the level of stress of overwhelming emotions that child is feeling. 72 hours is not sufficient, I hope they are all okay. been in those shoes and it’s not easy.
I live in Florida, and I know it sounds crazy but from what I've witnessed and gone through myself, the Baker Act only scares kids away from expressing if they have suicidal thoughts. You can't talk to a counselor about it without it being threatened to you. Kids want help, they don't want to be taken against their will as if they're criminals just for mentioning they think of death. We need equal access to therapy, this isn't effective.
As a person who's lived in Florida THANK YOU FOR SAYING THIS
As someone whose been baker acted, yep
@@fucknut8918 what was it like??
Completely accurate
Yeah I concur
That building is miserable. For a mental health facility, maybe some color and natural light?
well its not that bad in there you cant really stand out and some colors and lights may be triggering to some patients
Pink makes are brain happy
Its the color grading. In reality they dont look that dogshit.
@@honkhonk8009 yes they do lol
they're there to make money not help anyone. color is the last thing on their minds. cheerful place to be crazy? riiiight. they'll hold you down for a shot of some nice peaceful meds maybe.
All these parents saying "Can someone fix my child please."
The parents don't know what to do when their child begs them for help--which is ok because the parent may NOT know what to do. But then it's your job as a parent to not simply throw up your hands & say "Can someone fix my child please". It's your job as a parent to LEARN what your child needs to do to survive, to help themselves, to get to emotional safety, & then TEACH your child how to do those things for themselves. Help them internalize self-rescue so they can do it on their own.
The children here are helpless wrt their own emotions because their parents are too. Somebody needs to be the parent & hop on a learning curve & provide these kids with tools to self-soothe & survive depression, suicidal impulses etc.
We live in a terrible world--cruel, unfair, inhumane....but also full of moments of unimaginable beauty, love, meaning & purpose. Every one of these kids deserves as much beauty, love, meaning & purpose as possible. I hope they're all able to hold on long enough to be able to save themselves & survive. We're really letting them down, as a culture.
The reason why we don't talk to our parents is because they don't understand and they don't know how to handle it. They tell all the family and friends how you feel and they blame everything on your phone. They also don't know how to make it better, they always ground us, take away our phone, stop us from talking to our friends all these things are the only things that make us happy. I would rather talk to my friends about it then my mom or a therapist or a teacher. Parents also hear you out for a bit, but then the next day they scream at you for bad grades, almost as if they had forgotten that you were trying to kill yourself the day before.
My father said he understands and straight up told him he doesn’t. Like I get you’re trying to help me but you aren’t really.
I’m feeling that this is universal regardless of where you are
And not to mention there’s a huge shortage in mental health workers because half of us had to leave school because of the crippling amount of debt we are in trying to BE a counselor or psychologist.
AMEN
EXACTLY!
Yes.
👏🏻
Marissa Catherine 500 thousand dollars later I still am not finished college to be a psychiatrist and had to leave due to the large debt.
This reporter did a better job giving chris someone to talk to and someone to listen too
And that for free lol
Looks like journalists talking to the victims of the medical system is the best healthcare the victims of the healthcare system get.
I hear Chris took his own life last year. Prayers go out to his family.
I may be wrong but it seems a lot of what these kids are missing is Love. As a parent it is your responsibility to make sure they feel loved and that they can come to you for ANYTHING! The only way to heal pain and suffering is Love and Kindness. Always treat people with respect!
I believe all Chris wanted was attention. To be cared for, to be listened to, to relate to people, to have friends, to socialize, and to heal. I think a residence program would have helped him a lot.
Well put. That is definitely the core of any of these teens' needs. The absolute lack of the above is what puts them in these mental states. Especially listening, that's where healing starts.
Chris'es life went down the toilet real fast. I hope he gets the help he needs, he seemed like a sweet kid begging for help.
On the other hand, a lot of those residential troubled teen programs are really horrible.
Seems to me that he was trying to work the system so he could get the residence program. Not saying that it would not help, he obviously needs some real help.
@@frickinmatchbox that’s not the same thing as residential treatment.
6:16 , “what do we do after 72 hours? “ wow, the parents r literally disconnected.
i saw that too... was very distressing. and when their daughter was asking for solutions and the mom was just like "well have you thought of any?" i was shocked....
tiffanyy it’s crazy.. parents acting like they were the children. Grow up, be the adult that you’re suppose to be and take care of your damn child.
50% of the population of America just needs to.... uhhhh..... *Snap* cha feel
The kid just needed a good, warm hug and told that everything will be alright.
Putting all the pressure on a kid who is struggling already. Wow. I understand the money issue; that could be eased if we VOTED in people who cared more about healthcare than profits.
every hospital stay made my mental health significantly worse
I literally went Tuesday morning and it made me feel 10x worse, it’s so obvious they don’t know how to help and treat you so weird
same here. im traumatized from it
I've been in and out of these places for years and I really feel like each time I went in I left worse, there were even times when I went in to be detoxed from drugs and was medicated so heavily that when I left I was having worse withdrawals then the ones I went in for. The truth is these places really don't make people better they just put a band-aid on the problem and give the parents a break at the child's expense. My parents always just trusted the doctors and I really don't think they ever even considered that they weren't always right.
and once again: wft america??? imagine having to take your own child out of a treatment, they feel like is helping them, cause you cant afford it. breaks my heart
And think about how many of those kids in there have toxic and abusive family at home. When I was suicidal from my abusive family, my treatment center was a ray of light simply because I didn't have to be home with those people. I was devastated to find out there weren't resources and funding to keep me in for longer than one school semester. Sending kids back home to what makes them sick to begin with.
So other countries provide free mental health for months/years of treatment?
@Ramen Lover any sources on that? I've been in the mental health industry for a while and though european countries fare better in terms of healthcare for low income folks, I've heard that mental healthcare has become a huge issue in several european countries. The UK's NHS in particular only allows intensive outpatient services to the most severe cases and that the process is arduous. But yeah, if you have any info on that, it would be great because I'm not seeing anything that says that.
@@FJxJongno3ga well, yes, idk about every country in the world but im swdish and been both in and out patitent for almost ten years. its not always top tier and ive been to places that straight up sucked, but its at least there
@@vigdis628 for sure. I mean Sweden benefits from having a small and fairly wealthy population though. I live in LA and the metro population here has 3 million more people than Sweden. Also, a homogenous population that mostly agrees with each other helps as well. Things like this are a federal problem and unfortunately, we still have wealthy corps and rural America that have lobbying and voting power respectively and think universal healthcare is the devil. Medicare pays for mental health services in certain places like California (even past 30 days for inpatient sometimes) but places like Florida don't.
But things are improving in terms of attention to and research for mental health in the US as compared to where we were in the past. The research universities in the US are at the forefront of breakthroughs in mental health and that in turn helps the global community. Anyways, I digress but I'm very interested in this topic and have spent the better part of my life working in the mental health industry.
Wow I worked in this facility. I can tell you right now these children don't get the services they need. Since its not designed to be a long term solution they specialize in expediting "triage". Many employees are pressured to be fast paced so they are unengaged with the clients because like the manager in the video theyre too busy typing and staring at their computer screens. One way we can see better outcomes in cases like these is too put less emphasis on money and focus more on having real conversations with these children.
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Totally agree. How can we come up with better solutions for these kids?? AA and DAA programs are usually free and help alcoholics and drug addicts talk through their problems together while having support from people they can relate to. I don't remember those meetings needing money. Why couldn't we try something like that? Something has got to give.
These children need a long term mentoring program. This was a natural process from parents and family but the family unit is stressed, over worked, or fractured. We need to raise taxes for better services, increases wages and make vacation mandatory, and universal healthcare.
I worked here too...
The system must always run at full capacity to keep the investers happy. Rinse. Repeat.
@@JabberJelly damn hope you doing better, i got some intense struggles goin on myself. This vid makes me want to volunteer and just take some time to listen to these kids/people without some crap advice sitting on the tip of my tongue. A lot these people, i think, need a connection, real raw spiritual, and just listen for a while.
Lack of access to proper mental health care in the U.S. has always been baffling to me.
Chris is literally saying, "I need serious help, I need a long-term treatment facility," and everyone around him is ignoring him or dismissing him (which probably makes him feel even worse, btw). Yet he continues to be brought to a facility that holds him for 72-ish hours, over and over and over and over. At what point is it not obvious that he probably really does need a legit treatment facility? If it's purely a financial issue because insurance won't cover the cost or won't cover enough of it for the family to afford it, what are they supposed to do? Doesn't insurance have some sort of agreement to cover different care when other more traditional treatments have not worked? Or shouldn't the government step in and do something when a child is at risk (like they do when kids are in abusive homes)?
What is the solution? From what I can tell, insurance doesn't care, the government doesn't care, and society only cares when a person becomes a threat to others.
Chris's mom reminds me so much of my wonderful mother. Who has helped me so much with my mental health. It hurts my heart to see her so upset. I hope Chris can get the help he needs and they can both lead happier lives.
God as someone who has struggled with crippling anxiety a lot of my life it breaks my heart when the girl in the beginning is describing how she feels
Hope you're doing okay, Ellie.
ls7orBust2 you should delete your comment because it is nasty and heartless
Everyone: "More gun control!"
Conservatives: "No!"
Everyone: "Why?"
Republicans: "Guns aren't the problem! Mental health is the problem!"
Everyone: "Okay, are you going to help us increase funding for mental health?"
Conservatives: "No!"
Eh. In Spain mentally ill children are locked
Why are you bringing gun up for , you got some agenda .
@@carollee8823 Yeah, an agenda exposing conservatives as idiots who work against the safety of others
Is bad
So tour country is not that bad
@Ching Ping tang they are supposed to be locked! They shouldn't be working, they aren't mentally strong and mess up things. They should be at home or some where else.
You can see that boys disconnect and how depressed he gets it’s sad to see at the place he was so happy.
it's disgusting how much these places cost, it's always money over people, how the hell will things ever change for the better
He literally told them what he needed, he needed residential care, its the best out there. For some people (including myself) it takes 24/7, around the clock care in order to get better.
And you could see how he was in desperate need of meeting people with the same struggle, as he clearly said so himself. "The main thing is to keep you safe." I don't think that is a great message to a suicidal person. It translates to "I don't care about your pain and suffering. Your family's feelings about your mental health and suicide are more important."
See my post above on what occurs in residential treatment facilities.
And for those people - they are nothing but total parasites and burdens on their families and societies
"I will identify 2 ways how killing myself will affect my family and friends" - Why would you even think it's ok to ask a suicidal teen that question? A lot of teens are suicidal specifically because they have little or no friends and their family doesn't care about them.
And I know they don't have to choose that option. But passing on that one means they have to pick "I will identify 2 people I can talk to when I have thoughts of hurting myself" which holds the same problem.
It's a thought exercise. I've been institutionalized 3 times. They ask that to see the degree of suicidal ideation.
Thinking about suicide as an option and planning it out are two very different things.
I didn't like getting baker acted. It sucked. However, they start you on meds, immediately, under medical supervision.
It's stressful and sometimes traumatic, sure, but the whole point is to start getting care and learning the small steps towards recovering from those low points in life.
Which is why in the video they only ask that you respond to only two out of three questions
I would say suicide crises line if they asked me who I'd talk to.
It may seem jarring, but i think the point is to allow the patient to have process-style thought patterns. When you're in a crisis, your mind is not operating normally. Things may seem very black and white. And being asked to come up with the answers for certain types of questions, gives pause to urgent thoughts of self harm.
Sort of like being told to take a few deep breaths when panicking. It doesn't resolve the situation, and can sometimes even be irritating to be told that in the moment. But if done, it really can help to reduce the racing thoughts and the heightened physiological state your body goes through during panic.
It can sometimes be similar for the line of questioning asked of suicidal patients. The goal is to break the loop of crisis level thoughts, into one more reflective. It's not meant to heal the patient. That can't be done in short holds. The goal is to stop the crisis-- stop the sauce from boiling over the pot--in order to give time & space for the patient to reflect on what exactly they truly want and need.
God this really broke my heart... especially Chris...Jesus somebody help this kid before it's too late 😢
I used to be where many of those kids were... I only discovered any interest in living for the first time in my life at the age of 25. Now I wake up every day with tears of joy in my eyes and lose my breath at the sight of sunrises and sunsets and blossoming trees and loved ones. It’s a long and often truly horrid way to walk... but there is hope. Keep working with your doctors, listening to their advice, listening to yourself and speaking with your friends and family. Don’t give up!
I'm 16 and live in Florida. We all use the term "baker-acted" for this. I know so many kids including myself who are afraid to speak up about how we are suicidal cause we know that we'll be baker-acted. Our state is failing us.
/parents using a baker act as a control tactic an never being able to speak up
broward kid this is so true.
I wish being baker acted wasn't a police thing cuz it's very discouraging to be handcuffed and bullied by the police before you get to go to the hospital and get bullied by other patients :/
Former broward kid here, 10 years older than ya. I made it out of state a couple years ago but even before that, I can promise it gets better. If you’re able to find a community of like-minded people amongst all the brainwashed folks, you will survive being in it. You may have to advocate for yourself like hell when it comes to important stuff like healthcare and job opportunities, but it does get better.
as a mentally ill high schooler in this state, this state has a very terrible lack of resources and care for the mental health of teenagers and people in general
I was specifically held at Tampa's Gracepoint a few years back and it was traumatizing. This video was a difficult watch.
It's foggy to remember my arrival. What I do recall is being transferred by an ambulance, having my belongings get taken away and being forced to sit at a table for hours.
If you hadn't just arrived, you were either out of it or asleep. Little interaction was permitted. We had no freedom to move around. You were constantly threatened that you would get sedated if you made a wrong move.
I remember this young girl arriving and she was crying. I was yelled at for going to sit next to her and attempt to comfort her. I felt for her since I was crying upon arrival as well. No staff or fellow patient came to me either.
On my second day, the staff were doing reports and were taking kids into a room individually. When it was my turn, they mocked me, called me a liar and a burden to my family.
When you weren't sitting at a table or stuck in a dark room with beds full of strangers, you were in a small caged court with one ball to be shared.
I don't know if this was for the camera or it has changed. I had to return to the location recently for papers and I found out the exact section of Gracepoint I was held at is no longer there.
I could go into much further detail but this would become far too lengthy. I remember the rooms, the food and many other details vividly. I'm sorry for rambling as it is.
I hope none of these children have a remotely similar experience and recover with time. They are not given that in these facilities. (And VICE should've protected their privacy. They are minors. Poor editing choice.)
* Another note is staying there I believe costed my family a couple grand. A price to pay for an experience that did nothing but damage my mental health more. I do not blame or resent anyone who brought me there. I 100% blame Gracepoint and anyone who has power over the system.
@@JabberJelly I'm so sorry that you had to suffer through that. After my own experience, hearing your story doesn't surprise me in the slightest. How horrible is that.
I hope things are shaping up for you. I'm grateful you're alive to tell this story, even if it is a horrifying one.
You have my support. Thank you for taking the time to respond. 💙
I feel for you. I have a very similar story. The staff was incredibly rude to me. They thought that because I came from a “stable” background that I should have good mental health. One nurse told me that I would eventually end up back there and that crushed me. It’s something I think about to this day.
ry. I’m 11 months late but I’m also from tampa . If you ever need someone hmu
On like my second or third day at a mental hospital in Santa Rosa, the workers found a vape, and all of the patients in my section had to go in a room with a nurse, strip naked, while another nurse checked our room. We were all blamed and treated badly. The vape, as i found out later, was from a patient who was discharged the day before 😕
I hope these teens are doing good today and got the help they needed.
I been working in the mental health field for the last 6 years I seen it all. Chris is crying for help! He needs to be in a residential setting before he ends up killing him self or someone else! The system is failing him.
Don't have children if you're not ready to deal with our issues. We don't want them, but you wanted us, so keep us here.
For real, people hate taking responsibility.
THIS!!!!
yes every parent pretends like their kid is immune to mental illness. If you aren't will to help in any and all aspects while your child is a minor you have no business to be having kids. Why purposely raise a family with little funds in your savings? That's stupid to me. And I don't wanna hear anything about "accidents".
Also, some moms are spiteful and won't let the son live with his father EVEN WHEN THE SON WANTS JUST THAT.
This is so simple, yet so deep
What about the teenagers taking responsibility? When your a teen you understand right from wrong unless you are mentally handicapped. At 16 you are litterally only two years away from being a grown person, at which point you are responsible for all if your actions. Parents can be there for you your whole life, but they can't make your choices for you. At some point you need to understand you will be grown up soon and responsible for yourself. These kids weren't 10 years old
"I used to think that the worst thing in life was to end up alone. It's not. The worst thing in life is to end up with people who make you feel alone." - Robin Williams
Damn
I relate so hard to these kids from my own experiences when I was in high school. It hurts so much to see them suffer so much, I wish I could reach out and share my coping skills.
Every adult needs to understand that our brains are not fully developed until our early 20’s. Asking a distressed child to come up with a “plan” for their self care is almost cruel and definitely ignorant. There is so much information out there now....please read up on your child’s brain growth and development, it will make you a better parent and help your child understand their own developmental boundaries as they learn to deal with their emotions.
See how she said she didn’t want to burden anyone? That is such a real feeling. People need to realize that is with these mental health disorders aren’t interested in attention or pity, we just need understanding and support. Thankful for this program.
the real ones don't want attention nor pity because they think they don't deserve it.
Give the kids guns
That came out of nowhere
There’s actually a very large theory that suicide is the result of the combination of perceived burdensomeness and thwarted belongingness
Isn't it ridiculous that parents have to think about the money instead if the kids?
Affordable healthcare and a proper support system is important for this too!
Bloody hell.....
Thats what I was thinking. In the netherlands people don't even think about this type of stuff because insurance just covers everything and everyone has the mandatory health insurance. And sure maybe theres a waiting list, but having the insurance will also prevent it from getting this bad. AND you dont get opiods described. We also pay 35% tax over our salary, taxes will increase overal development in a country.
yeah healthcare is quite problematic in the USA for what i saw, pity.
@@newcomixx
Last I checked, suicidal ideation doesn’t care about waitlists, if you make someone wait even a few days when their suicidal, for care, their chances of killing them selves increase drastically. Also, taxes do not lead to development, innovation and investment do, last checked, the government wasn’t responsible for antibiotics, the light bulb, internet, or iPhones.
Affordable healthcare isn’t important, affordable automatic weapons are!
@@KunaevNS nah... those aren't either, the only thing necessary is the most money for the big corpos
This breaks my heart :( Imagine how much worse this all has to be now that these kids have been locked in the house without social interaction for a year