Here's What Survivors of a 'Troubled Teen' Program Say Went On Inside
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- Опубликовано: 28 мар 2021
- Utah's 'troubled teen' industry has claimed its treatment programs help kids, but some former students say they suffered abuse.
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I really wish they didn’t have to go through this :(
Mom, was shocked by what I did I was angry with my family and she got served with restraining order.
Hello Vice~Dude, I've been watching your channel...from a safe distance and I do not try this at home...🤣 like the Disclaimer says. But the school in Jamaica? I had 3 wisdom teeth come in, and in short, I came out of sedation and on a cornmeal/oatmeal diet, due to the damage a scalpel caused to my throat. It was as if I was choking on fishing line for about a month...no, you couldn't call home. But I did after that. My family mother held an index finger I hanger upper....one wrong word. Nite nite (EDIT) id question the Davis sisters...J&J you know who you are...you can trust anything a male employee of these schools says. Period. But the female employees I've seen speak are on point.
*can't TRUST. Edited second time. ***Can't trust male employees*** YT only lets you edit once
Having a complete stranger (MALE!) “supervise” a 13 year old girls shower absolutely disgusts me.
A grown adult supervising any 13 year-old's shower is disturbing. It has nothing to do with what you have between your legs.
@@TIOLIOfficial that's true that it's weird reguardless but it's definitely a lot more weird for a man to supervise a 13 year old female
Obviously but in this context it was a girl hence why they said girl
@@TIOLIOfficial Gender DOES matter in this situation. It'd still be weird if a woman was supervising it, but much less so
@@reizayin why? Would it also be less bad if a woman raped a kid. Is that what you’re saying? Women just get away with it more often
I blame on "Dr." Phil. He's the one who keeps on encouraging families to send teens on this kind of camps.
And ultimately, one of the effects of him sending kids to these camps is normalizing them in our heads. And unfortunately I think we’ve been trained(?)/taught to trust authority figures, so when we see someone with the title Dr., we may not ask as many questions as we should.
Bc Dr Phil has an agreement with this 'institutions': He gets half of this insurance money!!! He made millions with this!!!!
If you want to learn about why Dr. Phil became a public figure that is actually really a lying grifter, listen to the podcast Behind The Bastards. He has a 2 part episode dedicated to him. The comedy is satire but they cover some serious ground.
Yeah that’s true, he had deals with that turnabout ranch that he must’ve made millions with
@@Somebrero
His net worth is $ 460 million. 😳😒😤🤬
How is this not illegal and classified as child abuse?
because they make too much money, money talks
when sending your child to these camps you basically sign your rights to them away to the people in charge of it. the camp owns them so it's "technically not kidnapping"
in most states it is. it's why utah specifically has so many of these places, they have really lax child protection laws. some of them also operate in different countries, to add an extra layer of culture shock and as an added security against escape, including after the person turns 18.
@@caoimhinbyrne Sucks, but it’s the truth.
We need action. Now.
Not all parents deserve children
But all children deserve parents
Not all parents deserve children
Not all children deserve parents
You cannot taste the fruit of that which you don't deserve (have gathered the necessary ingredients for)
Treating a young kid with mental health issues: "Let's throw more traumatic experiences at them! that'll fix em! "
and it's disgusting to see some comments defending the system that abuses young adults and kids just to "straighten them out". Have some humanity and empathy
Straight up! Like yea lets give em a lil PTSD while we are at it. No joke some of these kids probably have PTSD because of these programs
Silence for 21 1/2 hours a day or else you write a 1500 word essay. Its called a 308: BLATANT RULE VIOLATION.
That never works.
@@mikebanks3168
That's exactly what happens. Speaking from similar personal experiences. Nothing like a happy helping of abuse and ptsd, to instill a lifelong hatred of authority and society in general.
Utah won’t shut them down because they create jobs!? WTF kind of excuse is that.
Utah is infamous for supporting massive cults on a government scale. Entire towns are completely run by cults. Police, hospitals, social workers, etc. It's exactly like Far Cry 5.
Same excuse they use for the energy production that is killing the planet. Profits over people. Sickening.
@@sourgreendolly7685 the world Is horrible hopefully the corona will wipe all these bad people out
This is actually a very common situation. It's just choosing the benefit for the majority over the minority, usually at the cost of marginalized parties.
@@SuperSlimshady1, unfortunately, the worst ppl always survive & the most vulnerable suffer.
The whole "r*pe" relive thing is utterly sick. How can such disturbed adults produce anything but damaged and broken babies. There are a lot of unpunished pedophilic; child abusing; sick adults amongst us.
The parents are in no way 'victims', Theo's mom is completely refusing to acknowledge her WILLING part in his abuse. These schools did not condition the parents, the schools just reinforce the parent's pre-existing negative conceptions of their children. The 'adult good - child bad' way of thinking. If parents did not already think this badly of their children, they would not have sent them to this institution. What adult in their right mind thinks when their child asks them for help that he is manipulating them?!
Exactly my thoughts. I am getting so furious seeing her take NO accountability whatsoever. She was the fkn adult there. The adult that was supposed to PROTECT HER child. And still she has the AUDACITY to not ever take accountability, not even once!
I was in a horrible place like this and I do feel like my parents were victims. They spent so much money for me to be abused and were completely lied to about the conditions there. They are still regretful about sending me there. I was 14 when I got there and I'm 37 now. It wasn't my parents fault. They were manipulated.
My mother, who has never liked me, tried to send me to one of those places. My Father told her "over my dead body will you send my kid away." RIP, daddy, I miss you.
Sounds like a great man and father!!!
@@killacram7150 One of a kind. Thanks for replying.
May he rest peacefully 🙏
So did you end up going? Sorry but I had to ask
😢 SIP TO YOUR Dad!! The real MVP
Many "troubled teens" are not troubled. Some parents fail to accept responsibilty and connect with their child. They fail to provide a nurturing path forward. Any teenage rebellion is blown out of proportion.
I'm a psychiatrist and majority of the time the parents are the problem in these teens lives. It's sad how people bring children into the world and they don't want to nurture. It's detrimental to the child's growth.
People only have kids for selfish reasons.
That is soooo true! I was ADHD, my father never got me neurological medication I desperately needed instead punched me and beat me and kicked me on a daily
Yeah
Proper therapy can do so much good. However, most parents don't have time or patience to work with their kids. Parents are busy working and living their lives, but when a kid is being a kid and acts out, instead of looking at whats going on and how they can reconnect with the kid they just dump them off for others to deal with a problem.
I am a survivor of a troubled teen program. I was the first girl at a place called teen challenge in Lakeland Florida. I was 14 and pregnant and sent away almost 2 years and forced to adopt out my baby. I cannot put into words how badly that place messed me up and how much trauma it caused me. I was taken from everything and everyone I loved and had zero contact with the father of my child or anyone else that wasn't in my immediate family. We were forced to do manual labor and we were paraded around like show ponies and forced to share our "testimonies" at church so we could raise money for the program. We were abused, neglected, denied medical care, denied medications, etc. I remover being 8 or 9 months pregnant and I had a double ear infection that was so bad my eardrums bursted and fluid spilled from my ears down my neck...I was in so much pain before they finally got me help. I have so many stories I could share, but I'm just glad I made it out alive...Many, many kids weren't so lucky.
That’s the part we really need to talk about- the number of people who died.
Facebook killed me (someone there decided they could if people report you as dead) and one of my first thoughts was “I better tell people I’m alive so they aren’t upset at me being another statistic even if they never even cared about me.”
I am so sorry to hear your story :(
thats so terrible i am so sorry you had to go through that
💛🧡 I'm sorry that happened to you. I hope you're doing better these days.
Ah, Teen Challenge. I’m sorry to hear that. I survived CEDU, sorry for what you went through.
The fact that she had a male staff member watching her is disgusting, parents need to learn how to treat their kids and stop shipping them off to places with random people
So it took a Paris Hilton for the state to listen while unknown victims are irrelevant. Good to know
Ppl w/ power and money only listen to other ppl with power and money.
Welcome to America.
This is the way.
@@jd7634 yea like Mexico is better lol
Theyr all in on it that’s why ,
Had my parents sent me to one of these places, I’d remember it when choosing their nursing home.
My dad did to me I ain't seen or talked to him in years. I don't even know if he's still alive
the place that bojack horseman put his mom in seems fitting
Lol fax
@@nc4125 are u still fine man
Lmao. Never forget.
Children should never be sent away against their own will. Instead of sending them away to let others deal with them parents should try to listen and understand them. There are too many bad parents out there that can't take care of their own children, it is scary.
Also, these places operate like cults. They brainwash the parents 1st and tell them their kids are liars so don't believe what they say about the program. Then, they use food, water, sleep and toilet deprivation to control the children.
Since it's a multi billion $$ industry and there's no government oversight, abuse is inevitable.
Counseling for PTSD & trauma, support groups, being an advocate and Ketamine for PTSD have helped me.
There’s also many troubled kids. Yes 90% of them are fine, but 10% of them are maniacs. Some people are just born evil
@trexassouras
No child deserves to be tortured! Convicted murderers have more rights. Your comment is inappropriate here.
Many parents have children because "it's what you do"
Society sucks.
Don't have kids if you don't want them. And if you do, don't abandon them just because YOU didn't want to raise and teach a human life you decided to bring into this world.
You being a general term here.
So public schools are a no then?
One thing that should be brought up more is how difficult it is to receive effective therapy after experiencing abuse in these programs. My abusers were “therapists”, psychologists, and psychiatrists and they gave me life-altering CPTSD. One of the most devastating effects PTSD from of systemic abuse in mental healthcare settings is that it’s almost impossible to treat, as I can’t trust anyone and being in a therapeutic environment brings the memories flooding back. It’s like giving someone an illness and making sure the treatment can never work. Evil
I understand this. My therapist did covert conversion therapy on me, as well as attack therapy and other forms of abuse. I literally have never been able to trust another therapist again.
I understand that very much. I was in copper hills youth center. I don't know how to get help. I want to talk to someone.
I hear you.
At the very end of the Netflix Documentary, The Program, there is a number you can call if you need someone to talk to. ❤
You are not alone.
I can’t stand these parents (mine included) who act like their kid was fine until one day, then they became awful. What lead up to your son sleeping on others’ couches? Kids in safe homes don’t do that. I know from first hand experience. A lot of parents need some internal reflection and therapy.
The least parents do is take the blame ... is just the kid or other situations
You ever think your parents may have their own mental problems? The issue goes both ways. Not saying this whole program isn’t fucked..
Kids suffer because parents are pathetic they should be executed and the kids put in foster care
sometimes they're right though, things like brain tumors, head trauma, and other accidents could cause changes in behavior not caused by nurture.
Parent education is non-existant around the world. My mother was the same. Always blamed me for her life choices and mistakes. I managed to escape at 16. Despite heavy debt I feel much safer.
Adults in actual jails have more rights and protections than these poor kids.
These kids get insulin
Which proves how much adults look down on children.
It’s very true
I know and
It's fucked up laws need to change and start protecting these kids not the evil perpetrators perverts monsters that abuse prey on wemen and children.
Having been through both, jail is so much more free as insane as that sounds.
Wow. This really resonates with me. As soon as he said he got gooned (2 big people showed up and said we can do this the easy way or the hard way) my heart immediately dropped and the flashbacks came back of when I went through the same situation. It was 6 am and I was naked asleep in my bed. And next thing I know there are 2 giant strangers in my room with handcuffs telling me to get up and get dressed and go with them. They said the same thing " we can do this the easy way or the hard way" may parents were standing at the door way of my room refusing to make eye contact with me. I had 2 choice. Try to fight past these people and jump out a 2 story window and run. Or comply. I started crying and just made it easier on myself and everyone around me. I went peacefully. I remember getting in the strangers car and my mom said "I know you hate me right now, but I love you" and as much as I did hate her in that moment. I couldn't have those be my last words to her in that moment. So I just said " I love you too". After getting to Utah (discovery academy in provo utah) I was put on suicide watch for the first 48 hours. I realized how drastically my life had just changed in a matter of hours. No phone. No personal clothes. No wallet. No ID. I got assigned a therapist. Went to classes, went to group therapy. For 3 months I didn't take my weekly phone call to my parents. After 9 months my parents couldn't afford to keep me there. So I was finally sent home. My 18th birthday was in that facility. I had the option to "walk". Which is where you sign a paper that you're leaving with the clothes on your back and that's it. They ship your phone and wallet and everything you came with back to your parents and put you on the street. It was either stay or be homeless in a state I don't know anything about. I stayed. It was awful. They shut the place down years later. Thank God.
Hope you are ok 🥺
I would have walked, and come back a day later with a gas can and matches.
You're a better man than me.
I hope you never forgive your parents for such a cruel act, I wouldn’t, especially when they spew out trash “I loves you” ‘s at me
What were you doing to get sent there ?🤔
might ve because you are made by breeders
If a kid is giving you a hard time… it’s because your kid is having a hard time.
Compassion goes a long way….
one of the worst parts is that they train the parents to ignore what the child is saying. They intentionally harm the parent-child relationship and trick the parents just for the purpose of money.
yes but a lot of childrends are lost i was good and i wasnt for this thanx god that i have good parents and i found good rexab centar in vrsac near romania and i was from serbia.but now im on methadone
The parents are mindless robots and most shouldn't have kids
@@lovesallanimals9948 good answer
@Jo man the amount of logic you lack is mind blowing 😅
@Jo ????????
If a school says ”tough love” that’s a biiiiiig red flag
4:10. WOW.
Lol
"Tough love" is a euphemism.
Well...I'm an asian child...soo.
I would never be able to forgive my parents if they have done it to me. It's cruel, selfish, and stupid to think that punishment and torture work better than affection, adapted therapy and love. Some people are just not ready for the responsibility of raising and educating a human being that parenthood requires.
I don’t forgive them but I am financially dependent on them. So I have to play happy family charades.
My mom thinks parents were brainwashed why would parnets want to harm the child i said knowing your child was going to kidnapped against his or her will is a crime itself she always thinks parents are always nice reason she sacrificed a lot to rasie me and my sister i told her some parents just dont take any responsiblity
I forgive my parents because they didn't know better
I forgave my parents because they did not know what was going behind closed doors.
This isn't just them 'saying' what happened inside. This IS what happened inside
So the kid had depression, suicidal thoughts, abused drugs, harmed himself and they sent him to a facility for "troubled teens" ? Is this how you treat mental issues? With being tough and imposing strict rules? Interesting...
Always threatened me to send me to one. But I literally just had PTSD and didn't know how to handle it because I was so severely depressed
If you saw the extra, the mother talks about her choice-- he was basically never home and they offered him therapy but he refused. Out of fear of his life, his mother sent him to that facility. Considering her options, I understand why she did it.
It is for alot of parents, especially religious ones. My "parents" don't believe in mental illness.
@@rosej2895 Hate-Preacher KENT HOVIND
would probably agree with such Camps and Places though.
He has all the wrong Opinions you can ever imagine.
God, his Channel is literally Report-worthy, tbh,
and i dont say this Lightly.
If you wanna go there and flag him for Hate-Speech or Evolution-Denial
or any-whatever-thing, then feel free to.
What was their choice? He refused councilling. He is still a whiner. Lives with Mom and she looked terrified talking in front of him. He stared hard at her as if he would attack if she spoke a wrong word. Sometimes people really are what they seem. Entitled brats that can't act reasonably as Adults. An excuse a day is invented for any actions anyone takes, except accountability for their own actions. Js
On todays episode of: Parent's still cannot accept that they are the source of much of their kids trauma and developmental issues
Exactly.
@@greylove2064 Fascinating how these Programs remind
me of Religion as a Whole,
thanks to people leaving Christianity or the Muslims
have literal PTSD and see themselves as 'Survivors'.
Those 2 Religions literally Teach that you cant survive outside
of them, which causes an Extra-Layer above their questionable
Mental-Health-Treatment; I'm not kidding when i said PTSD...
Taking the Risk of going off-topic,
but i suggest any Reader of this comment to
look at this Link here:
ruclips.net/channel/UCebiWixaYYDEpQF4wIs1M_wabout
I wanna be brutally honest for a moment: Such people
are reportworthy. The flag-system is meant for them.
Even ignoring that one username literally has the R-Word in it... but theyre
just problematic. I found him in the first place because they simply
wander around and harass people all around the Internet.
Please look at one's username and then... report them please,
so future Harassment is prevented. Please do some Prevention here.
accept*
@@slevinchannel7589 Thank you for this comment it opened my eyes or should I say eye👁
@@greylove2064
Oh, really?
Thats sure nice and warm to hear.
This is blatant child abuse. How is this legal?
parents sell their kids off
Merica
It’s clear they ARE ALLOWING it … sadly but it’s the truth
I was depressed and angry because I was 12 and watched my beloved daddy die of cancer.
I’m 44 and STILL depressed and angry because you lied to me, yelled at me, and locked me up instead of helping me.
No person deserves to have this happen to them. I’m sorry that this happened to you.
They had WHAT reenactments?!
How do these places actually exist? Good fucking grief.
And I thought the supervised showers were bad enough
They exist because they're good at hiding what they are and there is very little regulation surrounding them. When you're making bank off of torturing kids, you do everything that you can to hide that torture.
@@rachels3823 and the government and society in the towns they’re located in are biased towards these beliefs, so they basically turn a blind eye
@@juliasouza2210 People are willing to ignore a lot when it means money. These places tend to operate in rural areas with little options for jobs and the local governments are more than happy to welcome them.
It also doesn't help that so many people in the US have this idea that in order to be sent away, you had to have committed a crime. You might have to be convicted of one to go to prison as an adult but no such standard exists for children and it's really fucked up.
@Robbie Sarris It's easy to just start over when you're making a massive amount of money off of imprisoning and torturing children.
I like how quick that guy said NO when she asked him if he would send HIS kids to one of those facilities
NEVER do it, don't let anyone you care about send their kids here!
I live in Utah. Hes a piece of...
@@jedikaren8112 ?
@@jedikaren8112 ?
@@jedikaren8112 Please elaborate. Name a few things why you say that
I went to one of these places. It was a truly terrible 7 months of my life in which I felt the darkest I’ve ever felt. Although I came out sober and healthier, I’m truly traumatized by the acts that went on in that place. The staff were corrupt, I had five minutes a week to call my parents. The staff governed everything we did. There was one staff who didn’t like me and she did everything to make my stay miserable. I was so truly broken by that place. They stripped me down to my core. They called me pathetic for not abiding to their rules. They shamed me and degraded me for talking back (standing up for myself). I’m traumatized and my parents still don’t believe me. To all those who have been through these places, I hear you ❤
Was it btr? Kauffman, TX?
They completely retraumatized these kids! Disgusting and heartbreaking
American parents are no good they use their kids are bargaining chips
If any of this happened to adult prisoners of war you'd call it torture, war crimes and crimes against humanity.
Not even POWs. Just regular prisoners. They still have rights and avenues for complaint if those rights are violated, at least in the western world. Children do not. They're viewed as property, with the "owners" being whoever happens to have custody.
@@rachels3823 Well let's be real. Conditions in US prisons would count as human rights violations in many countries. But this is several steps above even that.
@@lars7935 Oh, I agree that they would but as bad as they can be, at least they're regulated and there are rules in place regarding the treatment of prisoners. Violations occur, of course, but the protections are there... These facilities? You're very lucky if basic level safety measures are in place. Montana, for example, has a loophole that allows these places to get away with not even doing a background check on the people that they hire.
@@rachels3823 Ok that's super fucked up even for US standards.
@@lars7935 Yeah, it's really disgusting. I've had to jump through more hoops to adopt a pet than many of these people have to jump through to get a job working with vulnerable children. I required personal references to adopt a cat recently AND they called the vet that I use for my other pets to make sure that I kept up with their medical care... But a background check for these people? Pfft, who needs that?
parents forcing their children into being the parents idealized versions of themselves because of their own failures literally never ends well
Those parents are destroying their children to make them the worst versions of themselves and of humans and animals possible, they are not trying to make them idealized versions of themselves at all
Damn. I have an emotionally abusive mother who I no longer talk to. I never realized, until I read your comment right now, that that is exactly what she tried to do. Dang.
I can understand how desperate some parents would be. The mum in the video was right to be worried with her suicidal son running off all the time but she went to the wrong people when she should have sought mental help. Not wanting your son to kill himself or run off when he is threatening to kill himself isn’t idealised.
c@nsintration c@mps if they did this in uk im p@trol b@ming it
@Jam D Fascinating how these Programs remind
me of Religion as a Whole,
thanks to people leaving Christianity or the Muslims
have literal PTSD and see themselves as 'Survivors'.
Those 2 Religions literally Teach that you cant survive outside
of them, which causes an Extra-Layer above their questionable
Mental-Health-Treatment; I'm not kidding when i said PTSD...
Taking the Risk of going off-topic,
but i suggest any Reader of this comment to
look at this Link here:
ruclips.net/channel/UCebiWixaYYDEpQF4wIs1M_wabout
I wanna be brutally honest for a moment: Such people
are reportworthy. The flag-system is meant for them.
Even ignoring that one username literally has the R-Word in it... but theyre
just problematic. I found him in the first place because they simply
wander around and harass people all around the Internet.
I have a hard time with people trying to abdicate their parenting to others. Because often time that isn’t parenting or therapy it’s abuse
As a 17 year old who’s had mental health problems for half a decade and who’s been in a lot of treatment programs for it, hearing about how these people were treated made me feel physically sick. I’ve experienced a few of the things mentioned here (forced sedation, being strip searched at 13- luckily they let me keep my underwear on when I started crying, isolation in a white windowless room- again, luckily for only a couple hours, and being yelled at and lied to by staff with little to no knowledge on mental illness), and they still impacted me, so I can’t even begin to fathom the lasting emotional trauma that people in “troubled teen” programs have endured. I think the parents and former employees need to take way more responsibility, and that if they aren’t crushed by the guilt of what they put vulnerable children through, then something is seriously wrong with them
Well said. Lying staff is a great point . Staff can also manipulate the system and have control issues, get kicks out of manipulating and playing mind tricks on sedated children/patients
Even prisoners and mental health patients have more rights than this f🤬🤬🤬 place "trouble teen" industry
These kids needed therapy, meds, and better parents. You don't EVER let someone you don't know take your child at ANY age.
Parents teach their kids not to get in a car with a stranger. It amazes me how these "parents" could possibly send their children off with strangers to be "corrected" for days or even years. What did they think would happen?
Maby just a normal childhood
And keep the meds out of it as well
@@seannoble8948 quiet you, let the medical professionals decide such things. I would bet many of these kids were never cared about and have never even had the opportunity to be diagnosed and given the correct medication for their diagnosis if it exists. Doctors have done more education than you and I combined, that's obvious, because an educated person would not have said that - so let the medical professionals make that decision, not the parents not you, not me.
@@paddington1670 Unfortunately medications seems to do more harm than good these day....profits over care
My cousin was a "troubled teen" and basically the biggest thing that really caused a shift in his life was an English teacher who asked him if he wanted to eat lunch with her and talk one day. (It's always the English teacher.) Love an compassion reaches far deeper than fear
Always the English teachers... so true! They only teachers that I really appreciated were the English ones, and I’ve moved around a lot! Something about them...
How is your cousin doing if you don't mind me asking?
For me it was my science Teacher. She saved me from insanity
Your cousin was not troubled teen if it was fixed during lunch.. troubled teen is someone with no parents doing heroine being homeless
Always the english teachers! Mine gave me a journal and said, if you can't talk to anyone else, talk in this book. Get it out of your head.
There is a special place in hell for people who do this to children.
Dr Phil has a lot to answer for with his promotion of these "troubled teen" facilities that have resulted in so many deaths (including from overdose and suicide as a result of trauma), destroyed lives and ruined relationships.
the girl from the famous "cash me outside" meme spoke up. he ignored. thank god she has money to defend her fellow victims. imagine the quiet, poor victims
Thank you.
@@janaekelis what about her victims? She tormented and bullied other people. She is no angel.
@@pluto8404 where did you hear about her bullying and tormenting anyone? Did you actually listen to her explain her experience on Dr. Phils show?
@@boogityhoo7452 I heard her yell and threaten to fight people outside.
My best friend growing up was sent to one of these in Western Samoa and it made him into a maniac. He wasn't troubled at all. His parents never loved him or gave him love the way he deserved. He was taught fear by his dad and his parents worried more about themselves than they did him. He left on his 18th birthday because they couldn't keep him anymore. He came back and was dead within 2 years. Someone literally shot him in their own front yard. Claimed self defense. The preacher at his funeral had the nerve to apologize for him on behalf of his parents at his funeral after he was killed by someone else. No investigation nothing. I left after his whole existence on earth was apologized for in front of a whole church. Bunch of Mfers. He was worth more than any of them.
I am so sorry for your loss. That’s horrible.
So sorry to hear this 💔
christopher sutton spent years at the camp in samoa, he actually turned 18 but the administrators talked his father into letting them keep him another year and he had no recourse to get his passport or any other documents. he was convicted for hiring someone to kill his parents a few years after he got out, and i honeslty can’t blame him at all. his dad was an ambulance chasing scumbag who refused to admit that his child was essentially tortured by these people.
@@ceaseless246 Sorry about your friend Jack. The torture all the kids there endured is something no one, much less a child under 18, should have to experience. I have seen lots of videos from adults that made it through these programs and they all have the same torturous stories. The monsters that start these "schools' should be put in state jail in gen pop because that's basically what they created for all the kids lives they destroyed.
Poor kid, its sad to imagine what the outcome would be if his situation at home was better. I alway wonder how many of the lost souls like the dude in question were destined to be someone special, or important. Yet people who really shouldn't have kids keep pushing them out and the cycle continues.
My grandmother was a promiscuous, drug addict, alcoholic, criminal who had 4 sons. One was sent to live with an aunt, he's doing amazing til this very day. The other 3 were in and out of boys homes, reform schools (borstal) young offenders units and prison. First my dad got murdered due to some street stuff, only 25 years old. One uncle was shot in the head and survived but was heavily disabled afterwards. The other uncle died of a heroin and valium overdose alone. This was caused by problems that started generations ago, way before my grandmother and this has affected me which in turn affects my child. These things haunt families for decades, the traumas will still be felt way down the line.
Its like some of us are cursed by someone else's actions
It’s crazy to dismiss any child’s complaint about sexual, mental or physical abuse and call it “a few disgruntled kids”? What???? Not hey, we take these complaints seriously and looked into it with a 3rd party? We put these measures in place to assure this will not happen again. No just the kids are liars! That answer alone should warn all parents to stay away from this guy and anything he touches.
My best friend went to one of these.. He was forced to become imprisoned because he didnt believe in mormonism like his rich parents did, so he was troubled and therefore two big men woke him up from his bed and said, “we can do this the easy way or the hard way.” He was in prison for years and had to get sent back again cause they convinced his parents he wasnt done and they’d ruin their child by pulling them out early when really they just abused him. The government cant even make sure these facilities arent breaking any laws or are allowed into the facilities because they’re religious facilities. So all these poor kids are being tortured and nobody, even the family is allowed in to see for years. He’s still my best friend to this day. It changed him so much. He was only a kid :/
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A mother whose letter begin with "you hate me" and end with "I love you"
....healthy.
That letter is probably what made me watch all 16 minutes because that's the type of language that my mother uses all the time
My mom does the same thing. What element of that exactly is the red flag?
@@jaybek7707 they're basically guilty tripping you, claiming you have a certain emotion but they still love you anyways. It's pretty toxic
@@jaybek7707 I’m pretty sure it’s called gaslighting
Smoot ahhh ok
Only abusers demand you remain silent. If what’s being done is so “helpful”, why keep it a secret?
Exactly. I say this everyday to myself.
@@cherismith6366 As they stated this industry is still a thing and unfortunately it doesn’t appear to be ending anytime soon I mean I’m 14 years old and when I snooped through my dads phone finding out he is looking into Shepard’s hill academy or even worse reform schools in Utah it scared me and still does the fact I might be in a similar situation and there is nothing I can do about it is heartbreaking I encourage everyone to help completely outlaw the industry how many more sexual assaults malnourished children and even homicide in these place do you people need to say enough is enough!
@@forgotten6946 wait try to show him the real reviews or videos with proof i really hope it helps, and that must be scary seeing that
The fact that this is being done by ADULTS with fucking LICENSING in a state that already has a trophy or two in abusive
family-based organizations, all while making a PROFIT is incomprehensibly abhorrent. Hello, Utah state reps? Please do the bare fucking minimum of your tax-funded jobs and remove these societal CANCERS from our state.
This.
Wow, first off: terrifying that these businesses exist. Second off: what parent would think this is a good solution? Sending your kid off to be abused…despicable.
I honestly feel so bad for these people. My mother would talk about these reform schools sometimes. And my best friend almost got sent to one by her mom. Now as an adult and a Christian myself, I actually visited a Christian reform school, I was going there to teach Bible lessons to the kids. Everything seemed somewhat okay on the surface but I always got a bad feeling about it, every time we left. A matter of months later allegations of sexual abuse and neglect were brought against the owners of the school. All of the girls were taken away, sent back home and the school was shut down! The problem I see with these reform schools is that they do not create real positive changes in the children, they simply abuse and force the children to comply. It honestly damages the parent-child relationship more than anything.
"The problem I see with these reform schools is that they do not create real positive changes in the children, they simply abuse and force the children to comply."
-----------------You nailed it perfectly. The strictness of these programs cannot claim the least bit of track record of setting any troubled teen straight, while on the other hand I think the liberals have a decent argument that compassion and friendship have a better chance at achieving reform than screaming and abuse. One problem that cannot be solved easily is the troubled teen that doesn't socialize. Throwing them into a program where they have to interact with other juvenile delinquents sounds like intended failure.
Kids don’t act out for zero reason, it’s usually a cry for help and parents are responsible to address, help, support and validate their pain. But instead of handling the situation they send them away to be broken down because you don’t want to deal with your main responsibility as a parent. I’m so glad people are speaking out
It’s in the name, acting out. Acting out of pain, generally. But instead we blame this kids.
Exactly. A lot of the time it can be treated with a diagnosis, medication, and **ACTUAL** therapy. But these parents don't understand that.
I went to a residential treatment center in Utah which is much much much different than this program. However, I had a lot of issues & nothing my parents were doing to help me helped. In and out of the hospital, so they sent me there. And parts were awful but in the end, I became a better person and I don’t think anything else would have saved me. I think possibly some parents think it will help and don’t realize that it’s hurtful or don’t realize what they were really doing there.
You really shouldn't be allowed to do this and if you kid is hurt you as a parents should be exuded for being so stupid and lazy
Yep. I have PTSD because of my mother and she wouldn’t get me proper help.. she just would parent me through the police and mental hospitals who only misdiagnosed me. It was torture. I didn’t want to live in rage.. but no one listened to me.
I was at Cross Creek... I was there with the girl in this episode with the brown hair, Sarah. It was utterly awful. I was 14-16 when there. Now I’m 35. I have nightmares all the time. You never get over it. Watching this, as soon as they showed the school I burst into tears. I can’t even begin to explain the lasting effects. I’ll live with it till the day I die.
This is so sad 😭
@@brebeauty4967 I just hope that more and more people, and more importantly parents, become aware of this industry and what really goes ont here. Maybe we can make government shut them down but we can put them out of business but ensuring parents of the reality of these “schools”
I'm extraordinarily sorry to hear you had to endure this horrendous abuse. I know that because the trauma impacts you severely on a daily basis it can feel difficult to overcome, but as somebody who has PTSD from childhood trauma, I want you to know it does get better. Personally, I wouldn't be as mentally secure as I am now if it weren't for successive MDMA therapy sessions that help me access and overcome my trauma. I'm not suggesting you should just take mdma and will fix your problems because obviously you need to test it, take the right amount, do it in a safe environment with a trained professional or a close friend you feel safe with but it can really help. But even without that option, I want you to know that you're brave for making it this far and even though our trauma may never fully leave, it can be DRAMATICALLY reduced and I hope you're able to experience that reduction yourself. Nobody deserves to go through this bullshit that's imposed upon us and although I can't imagine what you've been through, I hope somebody you're able to find peace despite it. Much love man
@@zacharykonopa2718 funny you mention that Bc I actually have taken mdma but it wasn’t intended as therapy rather socially and in music settings but what I didn’t know and what ended up happening is a huge awareness of myself and what I’ve been through and also the courage to talk about it with my friends. I wouldn’t say it was the solution but it did 100% help along my journey. It’s easier now... to talk about, think about, remember. But every so often there are triggers which is likely normal but I’ve learned a huge part of overcoming them is just the ability to share them. Even reading your story. Knowing that we have that in common. We all as humans are so much more alike than we sometimes think. I too hope for nothing but good days ahead for you and in the hard times just know you’re not alone.
@@Cam-pb2ns Haha wow, I’m glad you were able to have that experience it even if it wasn’t for therapeutic intentions. If you’re not averse to taking the substance then I suggest taking it again with the intention of dealing with some more of your mental baggage. The first time I took it, I didn’t get that much done in terms of overcoming my trauma but it just showed me that I could feel happy instead of emotionally numb. Even just knowing I was capable of feeling emotions really helped me deal with the depression I had at that time. The more times I take it the less my trauma impacts me, it’s a gradual process and like you say, I’m sure my trauma won’t fully leave but I would’ve never imagined I could be where I am currently at mentally before taking it. Thank you for the well wishes, and regardless of the methods you use to overcome your trauma I hope you’re able to get the help you deserve. I’m glad sharing my experience was able to help you a little bit, you’re incredibly strong for having gotten through that terrible place, and I’m confident that strength will eventually carry you past the ramifications of having experienced it
Keep talking, Kids. Keep telling the truth. Keep exposing these predators. Best wishes for maximum healing.
I was a “troubled teen” strung out on drugs and I’m so grateful that my parents didn’t put me in one of those programs. Had several friends that ended up going to these type of programs and they haven’t been the same since. They’re still a shell of their former selves and that was over 10 years ago.. thankfully, I ended up in a great rehab program and got clean with the support of my family, great therapists/counselors and my sponsor. A good support system and proper treatment is way more effective than sending kids to some shady, unregulated “therapy” camp. I’m sure some parents really did think these camps were the answer but I know there’s a lot of shitty parents that didn’t wanna do their job as a parent and decided sending the kid away was the best answer. That’s a damn shame
I just can’t imagine being a sexual abuse survivor and yet have to relive the abuse while others yell stuff at you. Being an abuse survivor hurts so much and it fucks you up in ways we can’t even understand now I can’t imagine adding that trauma to the abuse... I hope all the victims get justice and may they heal from this horrible experiences.
I went to (CAPU) outpatient with a boy who was raped, he broke down over and over emotionally and physically. He alongside the rest of us were forced to talk about things in a "trust circle" of complete strangers.
That’s how they get you. To make you what they want. They break you and program you to be a silent obedient person. Obedient maybe but 100000% broken
@@elpapisaint Those places were horrible.
The more disturbing thing is that the staff went along with it. There have been numerous instances in my employee days when my boss told me to do something, I said ok, then proceeded to not do it. I have never really understood people that just blindly do things their boss tells them.
They fully break half broken people to build someone new.
my parents threatened to “send me away” multiple times for being a “troubled teen” (aka undiagnosed autism and ignored depression). seeing these stories sends a shiver down my spine
I was raised by my grandma. She regularly threatened to have people break down my bedroom door and kidnap me in the middle of the night to take me away to one of these camps. Even not knowing what would happen if she were to go through with it, the threat of having my live uprooted and put somewhere unfamiliar against my will was very scary and likely caused some level of trauma as well. for me, seeing these stories makes me want to get on my bike and ride until I cant anymore. because that is what I used to do when my grandma threatened me with these camps.
Ger diagnosed bruh
@@coocoodog1232 wtf-
what kinda pushover just lets themself get kidnapped without defending themself?
"self diagnosed"
I am a survivor of Camp Joshua Scott/Blue Creek Academy. Life has been crippling since I left. I didnt get the worst of it, other kids were abused worse than I was. That place destroyed me, sent me into a 18 year mental health spiral and I ended up homeless and addicted. Life is better now, but these homes do not help.
I am in my 50s. I was a “troubled teen”, and my parents sent me to similar programs in Australia. I could never understand what I was doing so wrong, and I tried so hard to be what I thought my parents wanted. I still hurt because of my parents’ atrocious parenting. I cut them out of my life.
As an adult I was diagnosed as autistic; my ‘behaviours’ were actually pretty typically autistic.
I am a parent of three teenagers, who are all very like me. I love them for that.
These facilities exist across the world, and they are perpetuating child abuse.
As someone that was in these places in the US, I hope that you're doing better now. I know so many people that came out broken and defeated.
Whereabout in oz?
In Indonesia we call it "Pesantren"
@Ruby Gee They unfortunately can be masked as any type of “health center”. The so-called-myths about psychiatric wards and medical facilities about bad treatment and scary ass practices, are very much real. They always have been, they are brushed under the table when discovered, because funding is top priority for these places. Money the funnels into medical facilities in your local areas should be looked into first. Ask where the money is spent, and the ratio of that on medical supplies used on patients actively, in an annual period. I can guarantee any places numbers don’t match up, not even on the number of people supposed to be there as a patient. When I complete my degree I promise to dedicate work into this. I hope you all stay safe and keep your future kids safe too. There will be a new name for it, by the time our teenagers give us problems. Remember that forever. Same with nursing homes too. Different name, same funding, same game plan. Stay vigilant parents & kids.
@@Mkvs68 can you tell how you’ve been treated? (only if you’re comfortable, if not, please don’t!)
When you become a parent. That's it. You signed up for life. You can't send them away to be better. It's up to YOU!
Boom...
There are sadly a lot of parents with personality problems. Mothers with borderline personality is something that is never talked about. Thats why I love the Sopranos so much, for shedding light on that.
@22CARLOCO22 I am assuming you do not have children😫Most of the time, these children are 'sent away' as parents' last ditch effort to help our children. When the government and society tells you that basically any form of discipline that you give your child is abuse, parenting can be very frightening, possibly leading our children to being 'raised by the streets.' Of course, this is not what good parents want. When presented with an opportunity to get help for the child you brought into the world you may be easily convinced that these certain facilities will help you get your child and parental relationship back on track. Most of us want the best for our children. It is not always about passing off responsibility😭
For life? No, legally your responsibilities are until they are 18. I'm not saying to kick them out the day they turn 18, but once you're a certain age, you should be responsible for yourself and stop relying on your parents so much.
There's a few issues with this viewpoint. For one, inpatient treatment is life-saving for a lot of kids. A severe eating disorder, for example, cannot and should not be treated by family members. It's not going to work. Same goes for a lot of kids dealing with unaddressed trauma, unmanaged behavioral issues, substance abuse/addiction, etc. And in most families in this society, most parents truly don't have the time to dedicate themselves to healing their child anyway. Most people work at least one full-time job. People go into debt trying to find ways to help their kids, and sending them away is almost always a last resort. They have little to no guidance, they're stressed, and they're vulnerable to being taken in by greedy charlatans.
The problem with the situations described in this video is not that the parents sent their kids away or even that they sent them against their will, but that the programs in which they placed their trust were/are not therapeutic in any way and were/are run by criminally unqualified people. Instead of using evidence-based methods, they used "old school", abusive tactics from the moment they showed up to take the kids away.
I feel bad for all the people who suffered from the abuse of these evil programs. My mom who is a REAL therapist is doing all she can to get places like this shut down. She also told me that “I could have never sent you to a place like that”. I may have never went to one of these programs and I’m an adult now, but they make me sick just thinking about them. My biggest hope is that all these victims team up and get these horrific places shut down.
as someone who was sent away at age 13 and spent 2 years in the troubled teen industry, i can say that i've never heard of a single program where someone wasnt abused in some way, whether that be by other children (allowed to go on by staff) or by staff themselves. everyone has a horror story with these places.
If my parents did this to me, they won't be seeing me ever again lmao.
@@motherhoodsbeauty9279 you're joking right? Most of these kids had serious mental issues by the looks of it. Then again just by your comment you'd probably send your kids to one of these just to "teach them a lesson". These places manipulate both the kids and parents but I guess you're not ready to talk about that.
@@motherhoodsbeauty9279 using the same logic, the kids SHOULD send the parents to a psychiatric ward for elderly people when they get older because they "behave like nut case" by sending their kids off to a place to be abused and molded into something the parents wish for.
My mom did this to me but got me put in jail lol
@@motherhoodsbeauty9279 have you lost your mind because I will help you find it.
@@nerdgeekcosplay909 what is she comment? She already delete the comment so idk. Can you type back what she comment only if you remember
I begged for an interview about SUWS 9 years ago. No one cared. What me and others were put through in that desert in Idaho was beyond comprehension. My center got closed down for child abuse and a 30 million dollar lawsuit. If you want a story vice, come talk to me. I’ve messaged the feds the state authorities before. It’s hell my family didn’t believe me making it all the worse. I was catatonic for months after I got home. I was at the program where the kid escaped - the kid with an article on cracked.
Blow this up
I was also at suws it was fucking hell
I have read some of the stories online. People are learning the truth. The truth will always come out.
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@@surieljaguar1267 your parents should be ashamed
Thank you for everyone's courage here
I struggled when I was a teen, I had depression, anxiety and pretty bad anger issues. I thank God for my parents, I was difficult but they loved me and never gave up. I feel awful for these people. No parent should ever send their own kids to these places. These places shouldn't exist.
What broke me was how that former worker was mentally tormented by his submission to the system. You can tell his guilt haunts him and having a good-intentioned person bear the weight of this tragic circumstance emphasizes how this can traumatize the workers in these facilities as well. Devastatingly emotional peice.
So you watched this whole little short documentary, and your concern is with the employees mental health?
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@@spacetimeworm You sound toxic dude and clearly unaware of your response. Everyone can clearly see the trauma the kids experience but most people weren’t expecting how some of the workers actually felt shame, guilt and trauma developed within them as well. They were also manipulated to think they were helping these kids. This person probably cares about everyone not just one side
@@josec1538 How is my response toxic in anyway?
@@josec1538 I pointed out that I think, in my opinion, somebody was focused on the wrong thing, and that makes me a toxic person? You must either be the best judge of personality in the whole world, or psychic.
@@spacetimeworm nah, It’s literally just how you replied to the person who posted. You’re making even further assumptions still. If he is able to see the trauma the worker went through. You think he can’t see the trauma the kids went through too? Do you understand or need further explanation? If toxic offends you than let’s just say you are creating assumptions and ignoring that the person was capable of seeing two sides of trauma. While you’re here lowkey bashing with your condescending “opinion”. I’ll go ahead and say you’re not a toxic person but just your response was.
The staff member interviewed was at the edge of crying, you can see the regret and pain for participating in that.
@@misschicka2831 Honestly I don't know how the guy is standing next to his mother acting like there wasn't a wedge between the two. If my parents would have sent me through a camp like this I would never want to talk to them again. Brainwashed or not.
Ikr just that amount of pain that you can hear in his voice
It honestly sounds like he's lying to me/fake "crying". Like he knows he should be sad about it but doesn't know why.
That wasn't convincing to me. If he didn't appear to be upset by it, he would look bad, because he obviously didn't do anything about it. And there were no tears, or watery eyes. It seemed fake.
@@WarguyPlayz he seemed to have done a lot of internal work with proper therapy and you can tell there is a wedge, as there was no physical contact and very little eye contact between the two
Thank you for helping these survivors speak up. I am currently writing a school work about this topic. The videos on social media have reached all around the world. It was a big topic in my english class, in my school, in Germany. This horror needs to end.
“I find myself looking forward to the future & all the good things that will come for MYSELF” that must’ve been so hard to read 💔
Big up to the former staff who agreed to be interviewed. Being able to recognise and face your wrongdoings is so difficult
Not as difficult as having to go through those programs and live with the repercussions for the rest of their lives, I’ll bet!
Yeah at least he seemed remorseful
Hate-Preacher KENT HOVIND
would probably agree with such Camps and Places though.
He has all the wrong Opinions you can ever imagine.
God, his Channel is literally Report-worthy, tbh,
and i dont say this Lightly.
If you wanna go there and flag him for Hate-Speech or Evolution-Denial
or any-whatever-thing,
then feel free to.
@@loturzelrestaurant People have made reports on him actually. Lots of them! Just look it up!
@@tomatosalad4878 it's a different kind of pain. Ur told to get kids to do haneous things and psychologically torture them. I've been in both places and I really don't know which is better. Because even as a former coach, ur basically have to live the rest of your life hoping people don't see you as a monster and hoping you don't get to meet your former students. Because you know deep down, deep ducking down in their hearts, they want to kill you if they are given the opportunity to for running their lives. Granted not all will act like that but most will.
The parents should be held just as responsible as the facilities. How can you go along with the whole "don't believe your own kid, he's going to manipulate you into thinking we're abusing him" when the first thing they did when showed up at your house was attack your kid right in front of you? You can't claim manipulation at that point, it happened right in front of your face.
They didn’t care in the first place
I mean Theo said that he put a smile on and hid the reality. So to her, it looked like everything was going well and there was no need for concern. And if theo did say something, maybe she thought that he was just trying to get out of it. She was scared and helpless. She though these were experts. Most of the parents were probably just as blinded as the kids.
You have to be the worst kind of parent to do this.
@@xoxoPilar She was negligent - its it HER responsibilty to protect her kid - instead she delivered him directly into the hands of abusers.
@@xoxoPilar She watched her son get assaulted and kidnapped by strangers. She said during her interview that she believed it "was good for the entire family". That to me screams she was more concerned about getting a break from dealing with her kid. The fact that she watched two men assault her child and just allowed them to take him kinda backs that up.
Almost 7 years ago, my step-dad and mother had continuously threatened to send me to the "beyond scared straight" program because I was suicidal and had anxiety, severe depression, and anger issues and "stole" food from them because of my binge-eating habit. Not long after, something happened which got CPS and the cops involved and they concluded that one of my siblings and I were abused to the point where the best course of action was to get us out of there and have us live with my biological father. Since then, everything had vastly improved and I finally got to feel what being cared for and loved was like and finally got the appropriate therapy I needed. Even though I was never officially in one of these programs, I really feel for those who went through it. These teens aren't "troubled" because they're deliberately screwing up, they're "troubled" because their parents can't appropriately care for them and give them the support and resources they need.
Theos mother is the-exact definition of why America has so many issues.
Theo’s mom is unreal. He’s gaslit into thinking they took advantage of his mom too. Bull I say, she wasn’t willing to put in the work that he needed from a parent. DONT SEND YOUR KIDS AWAY TO DO YOUR JOB!
couldn't have said it better 🙌
I loved how the mom rattled off basically a list of red flags, and then the interviewer asked if there were any red flags. There were SO MANY wtf. I cant believe they let that go on, if I couldnt have uncensored communication with my child i would be very concerned.
Where is his father?
No accountability on her part, he is amazing for even maintaining contact with her.
No father, typical story. A single mother that just can't control a young man regardless of her parenting skills. Once they hit a certain age you literally can not stop them. That pretty much leaves the police and places like this unfortunately.
First of all wtf.
Second of all what kind of Parent sends a sexually abused or a child that has been rap*ed to a troubled teen program????
Actual neglect. They should have had their children taken away from them and be sent to prison wtf.
“rap*ed” task failed
third of all i can't believe vice actually believes wearing 2 masks will make you extra safe from the virus lmao
@@destroymalefeminists it’s called cdc guidelines and wearing two masks actually help but you probably can’t understand
@@JakeContr99 masks are great and work.. That is why we defeated the virus and are now living normal lives again... Always listen to what the government tells you because they know what is best for you...
@@AlexRamirez-vz1vj or actually go to school and learn basic biology so you don’t have to question everything
I’m so glad your doing this brother I knew you and was there When you were there but you were an upper level when I got there. Thank you Teddy for doing this and anyone else that is standing up. Cross creek was a horrible place and had caused so much chaos in my life I had to learn how to handle my life alone I still have ptsd every night I love all survivors from these places keep fighting.
Was almost sent to one of these. I’m grateful that these victims bring awareness to the troubled teen industry because it prevents so many people from also following victim.
I’d never forgive my parents for that. They can beg and cry for me to talk to them and all I would say is cry harder.
Please share such Videos;
heck, you may even wanna just drop the URL
inside a comment in some Christian Comment-Section
and leave.
No kidding; maybe that helps 'some'.
The 'maybe' is enough chance for me, at least.
Yeah, same here. I've blocked out people for less. This is a HUGE offense.
@@slevinchannel7589 What has Christinity done to you. Parents are responsible for their children's upbringing and protection. Why do liberals seek to enforce their warped views onto others as if it's the absolute truth
@@khulisomonica What dumb questions, starting with the first question. Are you pretend that christianity has no issues whatsoever WHILE UNDER A VIDEO TALKING ABOUT ISSUES WITH THEM? Though it should be mentioned THIS IS JUST 1 OF 1 BILLION VIDEOS. Man, what a cringe-comment did i just read from you??
@@khulisomonica You literally are so naive you ask 'What has Christianity done to you' in a world full of damage done by It. AND you have the audacity to call youre single branch of a single religion "absolute truth". How old are you? Are you actually an indoctrinted little Child? Thats how you sound?
It bothers me that the blonde mum in this is using words like “our experience” when In reality this facility had all the red flags (openly telling her mail was being read, never being alone with her son), and she had the option to pull her son out. She is not a victim in this her son is. I don’t think she is necessarily a bad person for doing this to her son. Just seems like she isn’t very apologetic about it...
I know her " what we went through" annoyed me
I feel like she's probably bitter about something... and my best guess is that she's mad she paid all this money for her son to be abused and come out with trauma. I don't think she's a bad person either, but definitely a bad mom.
@@melanieyu894 I could see that, what a shame these parents didn't care enough to research what these places actually do to kids in the first place though.
Totally agree. I feel like her guilt was making her want to feel victimized because she can't handle it.
It’s easy to blame her. I want to a school similar to this. These schools mislead and flat out lie to parents. They will take the two most brain washed kids who have been there the longest and set up a lunch or phone call with the prospective parents to chat about the school. Once they sign the papers, and the school has authority over the child, and they communications are censored it’s extremely tough for a parent to ever understand what is going on. Many parents will never understand.
Anyways. Obviously students are most affected psychologically by the law programs. But they would not exist without the VICTIMIZATION of very desperate parents. Parents who have lost control of their kids. It’s so easy to blame parents for bad kids, but at a certain point my parents did not have control over me. So they looked for help, and got scammed.
Incredible seeing all this support from folks who weren't there. It was awful and thank you for your comment
I'm in my mid 30s and still vividly remember the juvenile "treatment" programs I went to. The DJJ (Department of Juvenile Justice) ran facilities were the absolute worst.
Kudos to Paris Hilton for bringing awareness to these types of “schools.” I look at her in a whole knew way after she told her story. 🙏🏽
Same. I love Paris Hilton even tho I'm a homeless heroin addicted American citizen. She obviously has a heart even tho she was born into great wealth- she didn't ask for that, I can't be jealous or hate because of it. She's a great person it seems. I wish she'd date better men who don't hurt her tho. She repeats that cycle of abusive men, I hate seeing that. My sister does the same. I choose abusive women. I'm the same. We all deserve better. Sorry to vent- much love 💕
@@DetroitFettyghost she recently got married she is doing well
Found Out Whenever She Discusses This Around Her Mom, Her Mom Changes The Subject.
@@DetroitFettyghost I hope you are doing better soon!
@@melina1745 Bless you Melina. I'm struggling but trying. Thank you so much for thinking of me 💕
I can’t believe Theo’s mom, “hurtful project that they put US through”. You sent him there when he was transient and not under your care.
the nerve of that woman
She’s still abusing him by not taking responsibility for what she did to him, or the parenting that led to him couch surfing in the first place. He needs to go no contact with her delusional self.
She will die not taking responsibility. Also there is no father in the household.
She is weird ,I don't like they way she behaves here it's like she does all this talk and behavior so she would be treated like a victim and poor person too but all I see is poor acting and maybe mental problems 🤔😒 who knows ,wouldn't trust her at all
Exact my thought
I can relate I was sent to a similar school in 1999 till 2001. It was in New York and this school is also closed.
My friend went to one of these and he was definitely more messed up when he got out. He's doing better now but it's sad to see that it clearly had a lasting negative impact
I notice some of the survivors in the documentary are keeping some styles that they would have had in high school: the black earing, the leather coat, the purple hair coloring. Obviously, a style is just a style. But, you gotta wonder if they're still holding onto a little bit of their childhood because they got robbed of it.
Or their stylistic choices are just stunted, because of the trauma they never really grew out of that stage of their lives.
Traumas can "freeze" people at the age they occur, this might be a symptom of that.
@4one14 Hm. I had a traumatic experience in high school myself and lost connecting with everyone I knew. When I found Facebook and started connecting with everyone I knew in high school, at one point, I asked myself, "I found everyone; but, why don't I find closure?" So, it always bothered me. I'm not sure I even had any real friends back there. Now, I adopted a dog and I'm working on getting all the STAR WARS vehicles for the 4 inch figurines purchased. For our weapon display, I have our AR-15 and the Legend of Zelda Master Sword on the same display. I suppose, for some of us, that little kid is too hurt for us to easily be able to move on completely.
I see this too. Most people become mentally & emotionally stunted at the age they experienced trauma. They can’t mentally move on from that “era” so it’s like a monotonous cycle.
I noticed that, actually. Very interesting.
They need to do a Vice news report about kids who went through the “Scared Straight” programs. I had a friend of mine who went through one of those programs when he was 13 years old and he was physically and sexually assaulted by two correctional officers and six inmates. He has lived with full blown AIDS for over 20 years. He works as a guidance counselor for troubled and abused children in Seattle nowadays.
Jesus, that’s horrible for him! I always found that “Scared Straight” programs were ethically undefendable, but this is just another level of fucked up.
Perhaps your friend could seek compensation by taking his story to court.
I wish your friend the best🙏
@@jacob.a795 He was awarded a five figure settlement in court about a decade ago and he used that to travel for three years. He was 84 pounds and 4’ 10” at 14 years old and he’s now more than six feet tall and weighs over 200 pounds.
Not to be pedantic but you can’t live 20 years with “full blown AIDS”. He has HIV
@@dirkferguson7353 Yes you can as HIV becomes AIDS. The life expectancy for those with HIV and AIDS is near the national average. He left it untreated for about a decade as he did not have proper treatment due to being itinerant.
Wait whattttt
Super weird to see this for me, I was there at Cross Creek at the same time as Theo was - which was a bit of a surprise to see him. I was there from Nov 2005 - Nov 2006 and even 16 years later, I still have some nightmares. I'm glad that y'all are putting some focus on this place specifically, but the whole idea of these programs as a whole. It's something that I'll never forget, so many things ingrained into my mind, super weird. I think of my group often, I think of the things we went through, just crazy.
I work with troubled teens in a more acute hospital setting. I try as much as possible to stray away from places like this for employment. Dangerous for patients
Cross Creek “closed” and they opened Horizon. It was still the same program just under a different name. I attended Horizon in January of 2013. The fact that the way they operated the same way 10+ years later is alarming
You don’t have to answer this, but what was your experience with it? Was your experience the same as these people’s?
I was in Spring Creek in 2002
@@ryangeorge3982 May i ask what happened
@@angeldroidcs4962 what happened with what? I was supposed to go to the state juvenile detention and put a plea in at court to go to spring creek. It was the right choice. I finished school and was able to come home and be off paper once i turned 18. In jail i wouldve caught more charges and ended up in prison
There are SO many of these. A lot in southern Utah. I haven’t seen one that wasn’t corrupt in some way. I had friends that worked at them that always quit quickly because they were scarred by what was going on themselves. Horrible places designed to take thousands from parents and make sure the kids never got out
I never believed in the whole scared straight nonsense.
They don't work, they often harden the kids they're supposed to help, and more often than not it's more damaging than nurturing.
I'm pretty sure scared straight programs and troubled teen reform schools are American things, it's such a fucked up idea
My mom took me with my older brother. And they yeld at him, not knowing I was the one beating him up. It's a joke.
@@markopugne2092 It's more of a salty knife to plunge into kids' mental health issues
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It's not the scared straight, that's not what this does.. This is torment, punishment, taking away self esteem, self worth.. Scared straight isn't great but it's not abuse.. The scared straight shows them where you can end up but with that, there isn't a high percentage that it helps at all.. If only 22% changes, that's ridiculous..
I was sent to Casa by the Sea in 1999 and as a 39 year old I realize I still am affected by this place and experience and I get really emotional thinking about what happened to me and others there. I have real trauma and I’m owning it now. I’m done with feeling like what happened there did not happen!! Because it did!!!
I’m honestly sometimes grateful my mental health was diagnosed so early in my childhood because when I acted out i was always given leniency and time to figure it out. So many children are labelled “mischievous” or “troubled” at the first instance of misbehaviour at such a young age because of an aged lens. We need to remember children need to be shown and taught even social cues. Reform not ridicule.
I was 16 & sent away to 1 of these places. It was beyond traumatizing. 3 years later, AFTER I'd already told my mom what happened there, she gets the mail, sighs, & says to me "I'm STILL paying for your time at ___". So am I mom, so am I. 23 later & I'm still paying....
Remember that whenever you start looking for a home for her
Your poor mom, still having to pay for sending you away to be abused. You, on the other hand, are still paying for her decision to send you away. You didn't have a choice. She did. They're not even close to being equal.
@@rachels3823 😭😭 thank you. I really appreciate that 💜
@@mortimerjames218 I hope that your life has gotten better since then. Just remember that at the end of the day, the only victim was you. Your mother was an accomplice, at best.
@@rachels3823 thank you, im trying 1 day at a time. If I said the reason why she sent me there, it would make her look so much worse, & I don't want to do that to her. This was 20 years ago & im STILL trying to navigate my trauma & relationship w her. You truly made me cry, just seeing a strangers compassion can make all the difference 💜
hearing theos mother say "put US through" is so upsetting and i understand she probably cant bear taking responsibility for it but she did not go through the abuse that her son did as a result of her decision making. it probably hurts her to no end to know what happened to him but to act like shes an equal victim is so sad and invalidating to his experience.
I believe the mother that she has changed and I'm ahppy for them but you can't change this type of parent completely. They aaallways make it about themselves. My son cuts himself? How can he do that to ME? Etc. I know this behavior too damn well.
She just doesn't want to accept responsibility.
Like the Germans after WW2.
"I had no idea what was going on" - yeah makes it worse that you helped, then.
Yeah. She didn't go through much of anything.
She knows this. Just look at her face and her son’s face. She looks extremely stressed out because something is plaguing her mind.
From personal experience I know that teens and kids don't harm themselves or run away for no reason. My mom died when I was really young and then I was forced to live with my aunt and uncle that I barely knew and every time I tried to express to them how they were essentially strangers to me they'd say that wasn't true, even though I had only ever seen them twice a year at family reunions before moving in with them at 11 years old.
They took me out of public school and my aunt would literally jump up and down screaming and pulling her hair when I got a problem wrong or forgot the answer to a question. My uncle would verbally degrade me while trying to do homework and was physically abusive, but my aunt didn't believe me anytime I tried to tell her he hit me or locked me in the bathroom after literally lifting me by my shoulders and throwing me in.
They both needed therapy, and I've been in and out of inpatient treatment and therapy since.
I was forcibly admitted to a county facilty that not only abused, berated, and demeaned me, but also charged my parents tens of thousands of dollars to do so. This was right after the recession and it put my parents into debt until they died. What did I do to deserve being held in a place like that? I was cutting myself because my sibling had passed away and I didn't know how else to cope with what I was feeling. I wasn't suicidal though...that came after I was released from the facility. That was what pushed me over the edge.
I was 15 then. I'm 30 now, and the memories of what happened in that hellhole still haunt me. I will never forget the fear and isolation.
I'm now grateful we grew up in poverty. My parents didn't have the money to send me to this prison.
That's one way of looking at it
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Honestly, I blame the parents. "Oh they didn't know". Really? You send off your child to some "school" that has to abduct them and you didn't know there was something wrong with it? C'mon now...
Good point
My point exactly. Thank you !
they probably didnt know about everything that wentno there
It’s a form of grooming towards the parents as well. Many thought this was the break where people could finally help. Not all parents were like that but it is sad.
Yeah and imagine not doing actual fucking research about these kinds of places????? Like, the original website can look and sound good but i would 100% look around for reviews from actual individuals and not some corporation that only wants to make money
Thanks to the survivors for coming forward. I see you. I believe you. I support you.
Watching this after watching The Program on Netflix is just terrifying. The abuse is identical. It’s the same program and it’s still happening.
It’s sad, because if parents could have afforded this expensive ‘camp’ they could have also easily afforded therapy for their children and their family instead of shipping their child off to strangers
That's the thing with their generations they don't think and can't handle when they're scared, then are taught to have complete and utter belief and trust in "authority" over their own children that it must be safe... and us generations are constantly paying for that now, i don't even know if the reason they don't want to acknowledge anything is because they're too scared but all the other ways they act there's no rhyme or reasoning to it, it's just... i don't think any of us know what it is... What are they? What are their generations? Are they even in the same world we're living in? cos it doesn't seem like anyone is home.
PREACH IT!
Yeah they could easily contact a therapist from a hospital.
There are therapists at these places!
@@showmeyrkitties2335 Not good ones.