Quantum Tarot (WDPLaSS 33)
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- Опубликовано: 12 июн 2020
- Apparently Jordan is into tarot. Because quantum. Don't ask.
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"Why Do People Laugh at Spirit 'Science'?" is a series in which I debunk and make fun of the claims of defacto new age cult leader Jordan Duchnycz/Pearce/David/River/whatever he calls himself this week, and his "Spirit Science," which is about as far from science as it gets. Featuring psychic powers, male and female energy which apparently relates to thermodynamics, spinning physical wheels inside our bodies and Jews from space, this is some serious stupid that sadly, millions of people seem to take seriously.
Jordan: "The 22 card story follows the path of the individual, most often called "the fool" who exists in a state of possibility for anything to happen."
His lack of self-awareness is astonishing, isn't it?
Hey, CHL. Any update for new video?
You're alive.
I don't mean to be as pushy as the first guy but got to say man, you made some good videos.
And then he just keeps going, describing himself to an absolute T.
Tarot cards are much like a "choose-your-own" adventure in card form, but when doing a tarot reading for someone else, you add in a huge component of cold-reading. If you read through the card descriptions you'll notice they are intentionally vague, especially in how they interact with each other in the format of the reading. When I was in high school I passed one of my night school classes by giving the teacher tarot card readings. More hilariously though, some of my classmates refused to touch or even look at the cards, telling me they were demonic magic.
Like most packs of cards, they were originally developed for gambling. The 'fortune telling' came much later, and is about as accurate as using any other gambling devices for predicting the future (unless the prediction is: 'you are going to lose a lot of money')
Its kind of a thing between 'believing solid reality' and 'being spiritual'. If one believes hard reality and facts, this will always be woo, because they can never interact 'properly' with the cards for a 'proper' reading. If you don't approach the experience 'open minded', if you will, and experience it as it was meant, you'll never see it work. If one takes a reading believing it to be BS, then BS is what they will get. If they approach it openly and formulate the meanings themselves, then maybe it'd be seen differently. The mind is a powerful thing.
you'd think they'd do more than just make some vague predictions.
I guess Satan is bored these days so refuses to do anything cool.
@@bokrugthewaterserpent3012 Yes, but the placebo effect is powerful.
Besides the placebo effect, random oracles like Tarot can be useful by providing a different perspective on a problem where one may have been stuck in a rut for many reasons.
@@bokrugthewaterserpent3012 So what happens when one believes they can manipulate themselves to be in a placebo?
I'm somewhat terrified of the day Jordan discovers that the "Deck of Many Things" and tries to find a way to create and justify a version in the real world
Or cards against humanity lol
As a Magic The Gathering fan, and whose main color is Red (Fire), I always loved engulfing my opponents and their creatures in raging infernos of *Checks notes* Creativity
He's stalking Emma Watson. Now he wants to wear her. Like a jacket.
"It puts the Lotion on it's skin or else it gets the hose again"
Maan, can I blame him? Emma Watson is my first teenage celebraty crush too.
So if someone in the future decided Magic the Gathering has actual magical powers will Jordan believe it?
If they add sufficient ammount of woo he will
No, Jordan already believes Magic the Gathering has actual magical powers.
That depends: How much money can he make off of it?
Hang on, MTG cards dont have actual magical powers? Then what the fuck did I pay £100,000 for an original Black Lotus for?
"Patch Tarot"
Truly "special".
I was a Tarot Reader for a while in the 90s. Half at most of what Spience is saying is right, and he’s interpreting all of that to his version.
Personally, I used them as a mundane therapy tool, like Rorschach tests. They helped me get my clients talking about what they were worried over.
I was rare in this approach, but what he’s describing is, too. Most Readers treat it as a form of spiritual entertainment, like singing gospel or doing tai chi or something.
Of course the people making money on it will hype its importance more, especially if they’re trying to sell something like their own deck...
When you attain "Christ Consciousness" you too can hallucinate Emma Watson.
🤣🤣🤣
Freaks out and begins swatting randomly thanks to new fear of CLOAKED SPACE JEWS!
i just made a prediction using my deck of 38 dimensional, quantum-spiritual-matrix tarot cards (that are actually torus shaped, but more like tetrahedron if it was a circle, if we assume circle is hypercube) that i got from a friendly space jew:
there will be more WDPLaSS videos from Martymer
You loose. You make more sense than Jordan. Brilliant effort tough.
@@Kualinar also, a space jew gave him something? Thought they kept everything, like where the hell atlantis is?
Here's what I actually understand about Quantum Mechanics: It deals with things that are very VERY tiny, and on that scale, things get weird and the physics gets non-intuitive on that scale. That's what I know, and it's still more than Jordan.
Awesome episode Martymer. Rick and Morty actually had a really good episode this season about Rick showing how knowing the future is actually harmful because it doesn’t allow you to live your life but rather just chase what you think is your future which always changes based on other events
It's a basic paradox. If you know something unpleasant will happen, you can try to avoid it but you have no idea what choices lead you to it, by trying to avoid it you might ultimately cause it to happen, if you do nothing to avoid it, you might actually avoid it. There is no way to know what path is the better one.
I read Tarot professionally when I was younger. Skipping the details, it could be useful as an exercise in providing perspective. The problem was, and why I quit after a few years, is that the people who most want their Tarot read are the people for whom it is the worst idea to read them. Using the Tarot occasionally can trick one into insights that eluded them for various reasons, but repeated use makes it harder to have new insights.
Guess what kind of person is actually the customer base for paid Tarot readings? The people who get no benefit. I got sick of it pretty quickly.
My approach to Tarot was scientific in that I deliberately used an arbitrarily designed system and was still able to deliver the exact same benefits.
The "woo" is a key element in useful Tarot reading, because one of the main reasons you can gain insights is you detach from the particulars of your question or problem before approaching them from a different angle. Think of it as a placebo, but for counseling.
And we know, scientifically, that placebos can have a beneficial effect.
How frequently would you recommend getting Tarot card readings if you wanted to get a real benefit?
@@oflameo8927 In my experience, maybe twice in one year initially, then less than once a year afterwards. Even quarterly is pushing it.
Scammers prey on those wanting weekly or monthly readings, first because they are a gullible mark, and second, they will get no incidental benefit. I quit because I was getting the wrong repeat clients, and money is never worth predating for.
Alan Watts (peace be upon him) talks about this kind of thing in "The Way of Zen". It's a good book that I recommend to you, Marten. But he said that all of these modern interpretations of fortune telling and so forth can pretty much be traced back to tortoise shell reading in ancient China, though, of course, he knows that it goes back further even than them. But the general principle was that fortune tellers would heat tortoise shells in a fire, and then "read" one's fortune from the cracks that appeared on the shell, taking their interpretations out of the "Book of Ways", which is one of the most ancient surviving Chinese texts .But, in reality, he said that any reading could be gotten from any formation of cracks, even if one was encouraged to see it "this way" rather than 'that way". Cracks in a shell are just as arbitrary, he says, as any othr decision-making process we might come up with, because the general practice of making a decision is compiling an appropriate amount of data, and then acting. Well, what exactly IS the "appropriate amount"? Could we not keep looking for information until long after the time to decide has come and gone? And so, he says it's a combination of data and time, and where we get that data from is arbitrary a lot of the time, because mom could tell you to do one thing and dad could tell you to do another, but, inevitably, it's still YOUR decision. Now, he doesn't mean decisions like where to make a cut in someone's artery during surgery: he means shit like what to wear to the concert.
I used to do card reading back in the 1970's just for a parlor trick. I had to stop when I realized my friends were thinking I was "for real". Even when I told them I was simply reading their body language and facial expressions to get "accurate" readings they thought I had the "gift"!
Anyone else think Emma Watson has a restraining order against Jordan?
She should have if she doesn't, especially given what he's been accused of. (It rhymes with grape, but it's not gone to court or anything, so whether it's true or not, I don't know. Though it wouldn't surprise me.)
@@mamamheus7751 He only got away with it because the state's laws were really poorly-written.
@@mamamheus7751 well to just be accused of it is one thing, but he made an entire video admitting to it!
It was featured on another channel since it's not related to science to Marty wouldn't talk about it. Let's just say it's about as terrible as you'd expect from someone who thinks crystals can tell the future while being really full of himself.
You actually pronounced Court de Gébelin rather well ! Cheers from France.
Why is that idiot tryhard saying Thereaux instead of tarot.
I guess my one year of high school French wasn't a complete waste of time, then.
I tried taking quantum mechanics once. All I learned was that at the quantum level, particles act weird.
Uh...the Fifth Element is Leeloo, everyone knows that. I mean, duh. SMH. 😉
6:45 "Emma Watson is the embodiment of Christ in a woman." Damn, I forgot to put on my oven mitt.
I know what an archetype is. Its a group of cards that often synergize with eachother. Like blue-eyes white dragons.
Jordan already lost me at "they're PICTOGRAMS of the visible and INVISIBLE"
Jon Jones has entered the chat
Printing pictograms of INVISIBLE thinks should at the very least save a lot of ink. ;)
13:00 "to stand and consider all possibilities is to drown in a sea of infinite potentiality" -some random girl in xavier's mind, xavier: renegade angel, season 1, episode 9, signs form godrilla
2:24 ah yes the 9 Egyptian God cards: Mariah, N'doul, Alessi, Oingo, Boingo, Dainel D'arby, Telence D'arby, Pet Shop and Anubis
Also The Fool? More like iggy and his stand the fool!
I only know of three god cards, Ra, Silfer and Obelisk.
@@leotamer5 ojama king might not be a fancy Egyptian god card but he's more viable than those 3 hooligans combined
I'm going to make a prediction: *_"It's going to rain soon."_*
Now anyone reply to this comment if it rains soon where you are.
It is raining and it has rained here for the last four hours with thunder in between. Wow your predictions were right! You should totally make your own tarot card deck
it always rains somewhere.
im in the netherlands, of course it is..
It's been raining all day. You have super powers.
Oh no it's raining in palce you are super powerful oh master
What kind of tabletop RPG comes with its own set of divination cards? That just sounds like a (somewhat) good idea, forcing the DM away from railroading the party.
Also, you simply can't get a good Tarot playing deck anymore.
Several do, more than likely. Just as an example, the Ravenloft campaign setting for AD&D (2nd ed.) had the Tarokka deck.
Nice video!
Yaknow Martymer, I've been subscribed longer than I can remember. I distinctly do remember, though, you once made a video responding to an email my friend sent you about our debates over God/science/something. It was nice of you to do that. Just recently I graduated college with my BS in Physics, and videos like yours are a big reason I got interested in science to begin with. Thanks!
The only magic cards I need are from yugioh
heart of the cards. it works. sometimes.
Magic the Gathering is more to my taste...
Played solitare with a tarot deck once. Won the game and three people died.
YES! YOU'RE BACK!
I just saw that Jordan uploaded a while ago and resisted watching in hopes you would cover it.
It's called: *Spirit Science 39 ~ Science is SUPER Spiritual!* ... Go do your thing.
That nebula looked more like a cartoon side-view of Richard Nixon to me.
I've always really liked Tarot cards for their surreal graphic symbolism, in fact I have several decks that are really beautiful. But I don't "believe" in Tarot in terms of prognostication.
Imma bust out my quantum D20 and roll to debunk Jordan's BS! Oooh a 20!
Poor Emma, to have this mixed bag of nuts worshipping her!
And, OMG! a CinemaSins reference!!!!
"These are the God Cards"
"Sliver the Sky Dragon?!"
Only thing tarots are good for is naming JoJo’s Bizzarre Adventures stands.
ZA WARUDOOO!
Or summoning a persona
Yeah I'm still contemplating if I should make a JoJo joke or a Yughio joke with the god carts...
Oh I know:
"I activate the ritual of ank. I then tribute one Caesar and one Iggy to summon Za Warudoooo.
I activate it's effect and equip it to my space Jew therefore doubling it's atk and allowing my space Jew to attack you directly while time is frozen.
I know summon steam roller in overhead position and through it at you.
I win by default since you are no longer able to continue the duel."
Also House of the Dead bosses.
This man's parents must be very worried about him
Yeah, worried he might come home.
@@bdf2718 😂😂
I have several decks of tarot cards. I chose them because I really liked the artwork. The major arcana are really nice to look at as art or to focus on during meditation. The minor arcana can be used as regular playing cards, except they’re a bit large for games where you have to hold a bunch of cards at once. They’re just pretty pieces of cardboard.
Tarot Readings can indeed work, but not in that way. If you read the tarot cards to someone else, you also question the person "how might the card relate to your life?". You thus get infromation about the other person, and thus, you can talk to him about that information he provided. Basically, the tarot is a fancy way of getting people to talk about their life situation.
You are alive!!! Nice to see you!!
It's a little-known fact that Schrödinger's cat (whose name was, oddly enough, Emma) was quite skilled at reading tarot cards. That's her on card 0 of the Major Arcana series. It could be true!
"Special tarot". Ok, Magic: the Gathering, then.
Sorry I missed this when it premiered! Loved it - I played with Tarot cards (I bought a deck because I liked the art, it was called "Sacred Rose") and read up on the supposed interpretations. Lead me to Jungian archetypes and synchronicity and all kinds of other interesting rabbit holes. The only benefit so far as I could determine - and it only works if you *don't* believe there's any woowoo going on - is similar to that gained by taking a Meyers-Briggs Personality Profile: You might gain some insight into how your own mind works.
Was good to see you making videos again!
I'm glad that after all these years you're still uploading
Fire in Occultism means energy/pontentiality and so on. Because of this, he refers to fire as creativity. Ofcourse, Heat might be a more fitting metaphor.
His logic is basically: With fire, you can cook, power a steam engine and so on. Thus, you can use fire to do something. Thus, he links fire with creativity.
Also
Igor: Jordan you are a fool empty yet full of infinite possible woo
Man im so glad logicked brought me here at the start of this. I still rewatch your videos regularly.
Finally a new Martym!
I love the repeating clip of the tarot cards being false shuffled (retaining the top cards), while you refer to a deck being shuffled without keeping track :D
6:19 "trees don't have cycles in them". Figtrees does. Branches often merge back. That doesn't make your argument less valid :)
You can't ride them, so they're not really cycles.
Hell yeah, been waiting for a new WDPLASS.
The most mysterious part about quantum mechanics is how quickly the "magic" goes away
Martymer, it's 2020, the universe is CLEARLY pissed at us. Jordan remains wrong though.
Tarot: The prop comedian of prayers
Jordon doesn't even get tarot? Imagine my shock. He literally doesn't understand ANYTHING that he talks about. This is for fun:
When you see a tarot deck there are many things that can happen there is a sort of energy that vibrates into you directly into your root chakra. So you choose which one intensely vibrates your root chakra until you Ankh the energy out and back into your body.
I am not sorry for that. It is so easy to make up stupid crap on the spot. If it is that easy then tell me, why try to even believe it if I can make this stuff up at the drop of a dime?
At least he got the "Fool's Journey" part right. That's more than anyone in Hollywood managed.
Maria White
You're joking, right?
@@WorldCupWillie Did you properly read the comment?
@@katier9725 no, I didn't read it properly. I quantum read it
I read it again. I somehow missed the last paragraph. I'm not drunk, honest.
The only thing tarot is good for is getting Solitaire into your bed.
Ooh ooh I know! Live and Let Die!
Just re-watched that scene and it's a great illustration of how confirmation bias works in the context of tarot.
I loved the dramatic thuds in the background.
As far as the linking goes, it's emOCEAN... so of course it's linked with water.
(I'm not proud.)
Hahaha
Jordan is the kid that huffed highlighter scents in the back of class while drinking pickle juice and eating boiled peanuts
Where did you find this , so funny this made my day , keep up the good work, LOLL I can not wait to here the next ridiculous find.
Martymer, I really enjoy all of your vids and find a lot of them entertaining when you make fun of the flawed logic of most of these people. I think it would actually be really interesting to maybe hear you explain some physics topics or maybe a field or area in physics that you studied extensively during your PhD days in university. Just my suggestion and I'm sure others would like the change of pace as well. Anyway, stay gold brother. Thank you for making us awesome content.
I love many tarot card decks, there's a level of simplistic artistry involved in them, that's where their value stops.
How do we scientifically know that quantum probabilistic stuff isn’t because of determined things we don’t know rather than it being undetermined
Master is back!
"You look for details that match the divination."
Exactly. It's just confirmation bias. How young were you when you learned to think critically, eh? I think it was probably later for me than for you because I went to a Catholic elementary school and high school, but it did happen eventually, thankfully.
I went to a Jesuit Catholic high school (Fairfield College Preparatory School aka Fairfield Prep) where they actually taught us critical thinking. philosophy and accurate science. I actually first became an atheist because of all I learned there.
My sophomore philosophy teacher was so intellectually honest that the problem of evil convinced him that God must not be almighty, rather all good but incapable of stopping evil in this life.
Gotta give the Jesuits credit for being more open minded in their educating than most other Catholics, imo.
Lucky you. I don't think my schools had any particular branch of Catholicism in mind, but I didn't learn philosophy until university, but THEN I turned into the critical thinker I am now (thank you, Dr. Jonathan). Help me out here, though: the Jesuits weren't the ones who murdered and/or tortured all the Indigenous in Canada and America, were they?
@@ActiveAdvocate1 as far as I am aware, the Jesuits were the radical, commie type catholics who fought income inequality and Tried to help the poor in South America. I also read that spied on the Nazis for the allies. I do know they founded colonies in the 1700s to basically make the "heathens" Christian, but I dont know if they actually committed atrocities. I do know that the Jesuits themselves have been the victims if atrocities, like the Jesuit Massacre. But who knows? They are a secretive Catholic order, who knows what they might have done?
@@munstrumridcully I could never find the bible passage that states god is either timeless OR all-powerful.
Even if we assume he exists and created the universe, neither of those are required for that. Is this stereotype about the Christian god just the result of "my god could beat up your god!"?
Jordan made his own Tarot deck to be used by New Age Jugheads, and added 4 cards that then needed to be integrated with what the Deck was made into. I collect the decks for their art, nothing else. Though I would love some rules for games to be played with them.
I will admit when Martymer was talking about people who rely on the cards to tell them what to do, it reminded me of an anime character. He does nothing unless his cards say to do it. He does have the power to make most of his predictions come true however.
The nebula looks like a space guy holding up his fist in victory to me. Haha.
Anyone else get bombarded with nonsensical spiritual ads on these vids?
I almost always get them on Marty vids exclusively which I find absolutely hilarious.
In a bit of a modern quantum like sense... intricate systematic vertices of the matrices of positive energy randomize the post-cerebral spirit to allow an enlightened self actualization of the Karmic boogie chakra wings. Or as, to put it another way, the money flows in, the bollocks flow out and the gullibility vortex bucket fills up a little further.
i'm kinda disappointed there was no joke along the lines of "no, the fifth element is Leeloo"
Y'know, I've done tarot for fun with my friends. There's nothing special about the cards or their patterns, I'm just doing a modified cold to warm reading on them and using some guesswork and intuition (natural, no magic) to make some stuff up based on what I know and the target's reaction. No magic, hidden science or such, just my guesses, Knowledge and showmanship. It's just a game at best and a con at worst.
I fucking hate. Haaaaaaaaaaaaate that cold reading is a thing. It cons tv audiences, it cons desperate people, it cons regular people. It contributes NOTHING to humanity.
The one dislike is Jordan lmao 😂
it is just "sacred geometry"
BS that you can assign any meaning to.
i can throw my bag of candy over the floor, and assign meaning to that as well, doesn't mean it means anything real
Exactly
Probably mentioned a lot, but at this point its no surprise that 'the fool' has a davids star on his head..
6:48 ... you don't want to watch the movie that happened in my head when he said that ...
I think it comes down to the fact that quantum mechanics are so difficult, even for educated individuals, to even try to comprehend, that when they inevitably fail to do so, they sometimes attribute it to coded hidden knowledge, something mystical, even divine.
It can't be because they can't understand quantum mechanics (not that anyone really understands it anyway🤯) .
I also have a special tarot deck, it is made of YuGiOh Trading Cards, and also has some God Cards, but not the same as Jordan's deck.
I actually spent money on the deck because I'm into tarot and I thought the deck looked interesting. Looking at it strictly in the context as an art piece, it's pretty alright, and I admit I chuckled at some of the pop-culture references he put in (7 of Swords is FF7, The Hierophant has an Air Nomad tattoo, 4 of Wands has a flag with Kamina's glasses). Compared with other decks, he tries to strike a balance between the RWS and Thoth decks, to mixed effect. He also switched the positions of the Empress and Emperor, which doesn't really change anything unless you're a nerd like me who notices the Hebrew letter attributions. He apparently also did another weird thing with the numbers in the second printing, but that's beside the point.
If you're worried that I think tarot cards are magic quantum ankhholes, I don't. They're just pretty pictures that you can use as a focus for creative thinking.
uh oh. Hierophant? RWS? Kamina? Yes I could google these terms but an inner voice tells me I should not even try to ...
cyana h The Hierophant is one of the cards. The older title is The Pope, but Hierophant sounded more mystical to some nerds in the 19th century, so they started calling it that for their decks. RWS stands for Rider-Waite-Smith, probably the most popular tarot deck used for divination. Kamina is a character from Gurren Lagann.
@@joeyjojo6148 Thanks for the clarifications. So the Hierophant has nothing to do with dinasaurs. This is good news.
By the way, Joseph Campbell had NOTHING to do with either tarot or QM. He laid out the basics of what, in literature, is called "The Hero's Journey", a trope that can be seen in literature going all the way back to the Epic of Gilgamesh. Campbell is certainly a bit too formulaic, but he does draw links where they appear throughout literary works.
"Oh?! Nah, not gonna get my hopes up..." XD That was great!
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Moichendizing! Spaceballs the Lunch Box, Spaceballs the Toilet Paper, Spaceballs the Flamethrower!... 😊
thank you for doing this it really made me laugh.
Great content.
Its pretty sad that many great musicians happen to be these "spiritual" hippie types
Such as?
@@rloomis3 you know, pretty much every psychedelic rock musician in the 60s ans 70s. Good example being the Beatles
We need more Jordan. Never give this up.
Cards do in fact to better then humans in one aspect. Humans are vary bad a picking random things. This has been tested. The details are like, ask 100 people to pick a random number between 1 an 10 and 3/4 of them pick 7. Where cards are more likely to give you a random number.
I have a magic deck. Several in fact. Had to give A LOT of money to wizards of the coast for them.
It's at this point in the future, I wish I could come back in time and remind you to keep the mit handy.
As a fun project I got a tarot deck and learnt how to "use" them. You could predict anything you want with any combination.
OF COURSE!
The Deck of Many things....It will either break your game (and probably your parties bodies) or make it 100x more epic
Man, how have I managed to skip all the WDPLaSS for a year? These are always amazing!
By the way, I'm pretty sure I know how Air corresponds to the Mind according to Jordan - there's nothing in his head but air, thus Air = Mind.
You made my day. More spirit science.
I would become a patreon if that means that I can make him react to every single spirit "science" video out there.
Sure, after that he will probably have a brain aneurysm, but we would have fun until then.
There wouldnt be enough money in the world to do all of them I bet
I also like Tarot.
Because I like the symbolism and the artwork is cool.
Schrodinger's cat taken by WOO to the absurd.
7:17 Air with thoughts? That one is easy, he smoked so much plant "medicine" that his thoughts are dissipating like smoke in air.
I believe there still are many laws on the books against fortune-telling and divination although it seems they're not being enforced
I just did a spreed with my tarot deck while asking "Will I buy his tarot deck?"
The cards said "Oh hell no".
Ain Soph Aur? Isn't that the last level of Marathon Infinity? Bungie are on in this..