Western Religions, 100% Quantum Free! (WDPLaSS 26)
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- Опубликовано: 11 окт 2024
- Jordan has a go at Christianity and Islam.
**Regarding immaculate conception: Jordan said Mary was conceived without sin OR COPULATION. That's what I'm referring to.
Jordan's video: • Hour Faith ~ The World... (footage from said video is used for purposes of commentary and criticism in accordance with US and Swedish copyright law)
My Patreon: / martymer81 "Why Do People Laugh at Spirit 'Science'?" is a series in which I debunk and make fun of the claims of defacto new age cult leader Jordan Duchnycz/Pearce/David/River/whatever he calls himself this week, and his "Spirit Science," which is about as far from science as it gets. Featuring psychic powers, male and female energy which apparently relates to thermodynamics, spinning physical wheels inside our bodies and Jews from space, this is some serious stupid that sadly, millions of people seem to take seriously.
"We don't even know where Judaism came from." Wait... What happened to the space jews warring with Martians, Jordan? Oh, right... I remember now... "The details are the details and they're not important." -- Jordan Pearce, discussing the Human "History" Movie.
Marty's parting shot at the end was classic.
Space-Jews and Martians had to come to fill vortexes of life on Atlantis. Everyone knows this. How come Jordan Duchwycz doesn't?
It sounds like when the mormons knock on my door.
You have to be delusional, or educationally subnormal, in order to hold a sincere religious faith. It's not worth arguing with that sort of dope, because they'll just use irrational justifications for their belief in an invisible sky wizard.
Don't forget that Jews are also from the future, so they didn't COME from anywhere. The Jews are a causation paradox.
Jordan looks exactly like a cult leader should look. :D but I kind of miss the animated version.
He brought it back in his new video about hallucinogenic drugs. I felt it prudent to point out to him that he changed his mind on the whole "Patchman was absorbed into some art clusterfuck and stopped existing" or something, and went _back_ to using Patchman.
Anase Skyrider well that explains the beard at least.
daigonite I also expressed in my comment what I believe the reason was: Because he realized his mistake and that Patchman made his videos bearable, and no one wanted to see Charles Manson Jordan.
With both +Martymer81 and Jordan having facial hair I find it is hard to tell them apart.
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Kidding....I think Jordan should be see a barber or hair stylist. Facial hair seems a little out of control?
Until he shaved his head in the tradition of the ancient Yezedi and declared year one of the new satanic age... 😆
"We don't have the *historical* *evidence* for Jesus." - The space jews guy
Anime Critical Thinker
for once, he may be right
1:38 "In religion where everyone is factually wrong, might always makes right"
Well said. Can I get that on a T-shirt?
He didn't change his mind, he just doesn't care about consistency. He's a "woo" collector. It's all gold to him.
The Pope took a vow of celebacy. Like his father and his father's before him.
Two catholic priests sit on a bench and talk.
1: "Do you believe the church will some day abandon the vow of celebacy?"
2: "Well, maybe, but we won't live long enough to see it happening.... but maybe our kids will!"
Man, I remember Zeitgeist. I was thoughtlessly convinced by it when I was 14 (I'm 23 now). It formed into a "movement" that ironically promoted the scientific method and critical thinking. Looking back now, those Zeitgeist movies were word salad.
Being 14 was weird :D
It was like the best... but the worst at the same time.
OK, I'm getting so many comments despite adding it in the description and in an annotation, so I'll address it in a sticky. Jordan isn't just saying that Mary, according to Catholics, was born without original sin. He says that Catholics also believe that she was conceived without copulation. THAT'S what I can't find a reference to. Jesus was (or so the story goes) conceived without copulation, and obviously also without original sin since he had no one to inherit it from (I'm assuming it didn't just skip a generation). I'm not saying Catholics don't believe in the immaculate conception of Mary; I'm saying that the idea that she was born to a virgin is new to me, and I can't find any mention of it anywhere. OK?
Martymer 81 I feel ya. religion is fucking confusing
Okay. I had already done it, but it seems you didn't.
"The Immaculate Conception is commonly confused with the Virgin Birth of Jesus. Jesus's birth is covered by the Doctrine of Incarnation, while the Immaculate Conception deals with the conception of Mary, not that of her son." ~a quick look at en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immaculate_Conception is enough. And it has sources.
Have fun.
Granted, there is a lot of confusion, but point is, the belief has been held, and is still today, by some catholics.
In that case you are correct. Catholic dogma is that Mary was conceived normally but then God (through the spirit) intervened after her birth and removed the 'stain' of original sin and make her soul 'immaculate'. It is obviously a theological 'patch' and I think it entered dogma under Pious XI - could be wrong on that though....
. actually the immaculate conception IS about mary herself but concerns original sin, not being born to a virgin mother- so, correct. marys mother conceived her very naturally, she fucked a man.
Technically Christianity is also an Eastern religion.
The True western religions are the various Pagan beliefs
But if you think about it if you keep going East you'll find yourself in the Western part of the world. It's the yin-yang of religious beliefs!
I've heard about cultural relativism. . .but did you just create geographic relativism?
Iron Mark It was bound to happen.
+Brian Colfxire it was round to happen.
" They were kind of stupid " lol
PABLO IS LOVE They were kind of stupid
"We don't know where Judaism came from" says the guy who made a video claiming he knows its super-special origins
Oh Jordan...... The Space Jews have you.
Now, will you eat the red matzah ball or the blue matzah ball?
For the record, Constantine did not oppress other religions outside of Christianity, most scholars are not even sure if he stopped being polytheistic himself. I could not find a citation on this but have heard it consistently from Overly Sarcastic Productions as well as my Ancient World History professor.
Where in the comment section is The Space Jew? We need to find him and ask him questions
WHY?, that's all i want to know!
He is smoking a joint with Le Happy Merchant *I'm freaking joking*
He lives in a different frequency dimension crystal
I almost choked on my drink when you finally got to use the "of course" clip loved it
Actually Catholicism didn't really exist Constantine converted to Chalcedonian Christianity. Catholicism didn't really exist until the Great Schism.
The word "Catholic" means universal, and was often used to refer to stream of Christianity that more or less evolved into the Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, and magisterial Protestant denominations. This is as opposed to the Gnostics, Arians, Judaizers, and the like. Even today, protestants who would denounce the Pope in the harshest terms confess the "holy catholic church" in the Nicene and Apostles creeds.
The issue is, the Chalcedonian branch of Christianity wasn't the first, nor was there ever a time when it was the only branch of Christianity. There are other branches that came into being before it and were still in existence at the time of the Great Schism (and some are still in existence today). When most non-Christians hear "Catholic" they think of the Roman Catholic church for obvious and understandable reasons. Jordan should have used the term Chalcedonian Christianity because it denotes the branches of Christianity (Roman Catholic, Eastern Orthodox, Protestant, etc) that adhered to the "Definition of Chalcedon," a religious doctrine established by the Council of Chalcedon... Which happened in 451, during the reign of Marcian. In fact, the first of the Ecumenical Councils that would have marked the attempts to create a central doctrine for the Christian faith wouldn't have occurred until 325, so Christianity as we know it wasn't even taking shape until Constantine converted, and wouldn't be recognizable or over a century when the various branches started to fragment.
Hey martymr do you ever just sit back, close your eyes and imagine that this is all just one collective gigantic troll from 4chan
i mean all of the nonsense youve reviewed not just this video
Torres Dyer even 4chan is smart enough as a collective to avoid being this obvious
Even if it's a gigantic troll, still, ☥ it.
Comming from an LDS family, the LSD joke was very funny. And you have made a new meme, why the Ankh would you do that?
And the gnostics would have been every bit as oppressive as their opponents had the Emperor come down on their side.
The "Extra Credits" channel has an excellent summation of the early schisms in the christian church and the dirty tricks ALL sides played in their quest for power.
before the Egyptians there wasn't even writing?
um, cuneiform much Jordan?
Also, my professor for Studies in Islam, SWEETEST DUDE EVER. Apart from my Eastern Philosophy professor. But Mahdi (yes, his name is Mahdi, like the Apocalyptic Prophet) is also just...culturally Muslim? Kind of. He has never, not once in his life, tasted meat or alcohol, and he fought for Iran in their war with Iraq. He's Iranian, eh. I had NO desire at all to ask him if he ever killed anyone. Didn't want to call up the PTSD. But I did ask him if he'd been conscripted, and he said that, no, he volunteered. The guy has a super sad story, though, and one of my other professors told me that his falling out with Islam might have happened because he'd just seen too much. I get that. Like, I DON'T get that: I've never had to fight in a war. But I get that doing, seeing, facing too much can drive a person away from their faith, and, no offfense, probably more efficiently than logic will. The reason why I left Catholicism was because I was offered a number of alternatives that I stuck together into my hodgepodge Pantheism, all of which are more emotionally, AND intellectually, satisfying for me than my Catholicism was.
I'm an atheist and already insulted by Jordan's description at 0:20. 1:22 The last gnostic faith died out in the 16. century when the Bozniaks converted to Islam from Bogomils. I'm pretty fucking sure that's more recent than the canonical bible.
Whenever people say "open your mind" the mean "belive everything i say as gospel and take it blindly without evidence"
Sunday Sunday Sunday, the greatest fight ever seen.
Space Jew versus Space Comma, in the ultimate battle.
We'll sell you the whole seat but you're only going need the edge!
That little alien jew at the end "literally" (in the same way Jordan uses this word) made me put my lungs out because of how much I laughed.
How do you spell "onked"? And, I presume it means something akin to "fucked"?
*****
Ah, okay. Thanks.
Back in the human history video, Jordan claimed that the Ancient Egyptians would move their sexual energy--that tingle on orgasm, don'che'know--out of their body and loop it out of the air and hit themselves with it to get a power boost and lifespan extensions and yes he really said this was "ankhing" their sexual energy. Because the Ankh is the shape they moved it through.
So what the ankh.
I was hoping you'd mention that Jordan is starting to contradict himself and you didn't disappoint.
Only 0:32 has elapsed, and I am already obsessing upon exactly *how long* it takes Jordon to "do" his guru-beard every morning...
Pissed myself laughing at the upstairs, downstairs bit. Also, is his nose made out of playdough?
Catholics believe Mary was born without sin, thus providing a sinless vessel for the birth of Jesus, in the confession of faith the immaculate conception is referring to Mary's conception
Charles Manson called, he wants his look back, Jordan
Jordan looks exactly like I expected him, complete with the crazy scraggly Rasputin-beard.
I'm slightly surprised this wasn't commented in at the time, but it's the word BISHOP that's based on the ancient greek term for "father". Pope comes from Middle Italian.
If Jordan were to put annotations on his Human "History" movie, it might as well just be one big annotation saying "Fuck it...", LOL.
There were moments there when Jordan sounded like he actually had knowledge of something. They didn't last long.
That spin move "Of course!" Is my favourite bit of content
Oh, great idea, Jordan. You just show Khameini and a picture of Khomeini (apologies if I butchered the spelling there) as an example of an ayatollah. Sure, they were ayatollahs, but considering you're avoiding showing the bad, the Supreme Leader of Iran was NOT your best choice.
Am I the only one who thinks that Jordans beard looks like a space octopus that latched onto his chin?
That might explain Jordans... exotic view on the world in general.
Nushnark well it's probably a Jewish space octopus from Mars! It looks pretty much fake to me though.
Moving in different ways from another sect of a religion itself is not creating a schism, because simply practicing belief in groups the way one among a group feels is the most harmonious way to do so doesn't necessitate that they find all other ways wrong. A schism implies that one group has denounced another as false.
Wait, Purgatorio is a place of torture? I thought it was meant to be damn near empty, and really boring.
They change it every once in a while, but it's always some form of torture. Nowadays it's not being cleansed by fire; it's more psychological torture.
Well, I suppose the empty void model I'm familiar with is torturous after a while.
Checked The Divine Comedy out of my high school library once way back when, & something I noticed is that a lot of Purgatory was just as bad, if not worse than many parts of Hell. One that sticks with me in particular is the part where everyone's eyelids are sewn shut & they're also sewn to each other by their eyelids.
The main difference was that you can eventually get out of Purgatory if you can climb the mountain, but this was set up to be as difficult as possible. There were 7 terraces at which you were tortured & it was possible to wind up going backwards, it was noted in the part I referenced above that this often happened due to the fact that they couldn't see where the exit was.
Purgatory was also cleaner, I guess. I don't recall it having a river of boiling shit.
Wow. Yeah, I really need to re-read it. Last time I got part-way through Purgatorio and got bored. ADHD, I blame you. But I'm finding it easier to focus now.
The Man-Witch of the West No, it really was that boring. I stopped in Purgatory too, because it was literally putting me to sleep. Got tired of reading Dante's weird torture porn, didn't really need to hear his wet dream for Beatrice on top of that.
NO MORE SPACE JEWS!!! PLEASE!!!
Holy shit! I died at the ending! I was not quite expecting that! HAHAHAHA!
Ankh me up! Ankh me up inside. I can't ankh up! Ankh me up inside. Ankh me! Call my name and ankh me from the dark.
Thanks for correcting misinformation in an entertaining way
by the look of jordan's background, he took the LSD quite a while ago...
Not sure you could classify Constantine as a Catholic. As far as I can recall, the schism came later, but he'd have been closer to Orthodox. Nitpicking, I know... and I could be wrong, but eh. If I am, some will correct me.
I dont think the Human History movie was Jordan's literal beliefs. I think he just described what Drunvalo Melchizedek says.
Hey Marty. Have you seen "Spirit Science 32 ~ A Brief History of Psychedelics". It's good for a laugh.
Wait, he actually made THAT of all things?
The tiny space jew clip art at the end of the video killed me!
When Jordan said that Catholics believed Mary was conceived without copulation or original sin, he was half right. The Catholic feast of the Immaculate Conception celebrates the conception of Mary - they believe she was conceived as a result of copulation, but she was not conceived with original sin which is what they mean by immaculate in this case. But Jordan, like many Catholics and non-Catholics, got it confused and thought it referred to a different virgin birth. Hope that helps clarify things :)
anyone else notice the doom and gloom music during the catholic stuff????
I'm amazed, he's actually getting things correct now!
Correct me if I'm wrong, did Jordan even mention the core reason for the existence of Sunni and Shi'a muslims stemming from the schism that occurred shortly after the death of Muhammad? They fundamentally disagreed over who could basically be Muhammad's successor. Sunnis claim it was his father in law Abu Bakr, and Shi'as claim it was his son-in-law Ali Ibn Abi Talib. Thats basically it. They hate each other over crap that happened over 1300 years ago that has really noting much to do with issues concerning Islamic doctrine.
Yeah....they' were kinda stupid.
You would think that with how much more production value went into all of jordan's early films he would be able to remember all the bullshit he spewed in them...but I guess consistency doesn't sell healing crystals.
So... point of interest. As Jordan is having a go at Christians, several months ago, one of his former partners in Spirit Science has left their folds and converted (in a generically tearful manner) to Christianity, and taken many of the cues of the disingenuous writing style of Spirit Science (and Metaphysics) and applied them to the apologetics in Christianity instead. The guy's name Is Steven Bancarz. He has generated much of the content for Spirit Science... admits to profiting greatly from it, and now attempts to do the same under different window dressing. He has a channel under his own name, and to much of it, I intend to make video responses. Thought I would let you know, in case you wanted to cover any of it. I have been a fan of yours for a couple of years now, and I thought it would be right up your alley. Keep at it Martymer... I look forward to more of your content.
Man, Jordan has gotten lazy... I mean, the animation was slipping in later videos, but at least it was animated. Now it's just slideshows of bollocks.
Great response as usual Marty.
Jesus I'd totally forgotten about Jordan's cult-leader beard
I still think this Jordan guy should shave that facial hair.
I literally LOL'd as soon as Jordan popped up on screen. That beard is just hilarious.
So, will there be more of this stuff? I mean, if you feel bored, you can always make a reaction video to the SS lessons you've skipped or fast forwarded through.
I've always found literal interpretations of heaven or hell infuriating.
The reason why heaven is "good" and why it's "good" to be with God is because the idea is, that our perspective as individuals (whether we call that a soul, consciousness, whatever) separates us from the universe. Yes, we are part of the universe but our perspective makes us separate from it. Our perspective is separate from physical matter in the same way a computer program is separate from physical hardware - it's a process, that is the sum of physical interactions. So, to be in "heaven", you have to let go of that perspective and become part of the universe instead of trying to control the universe. It's not a place, it's a state of mind.
Hell is "bad" because it represents when someone fails to let go of their perspective. They feel constant pain and suffering because they're trying to control their experience instead of just experiencing it.
It's growing more and more likely that when we die, we die for good and our perspective collapses. From our perspective, what do we see? Perhaps we experience the same state of mind right before our death forever. And that's why it's important to try to at least come to terms with your spirituality, even if it's just humanism.
This is literally what all religion is trying to say, at its core. This is also why heaven/hell has nothing to do with morality.
I don't know, it all seems pretty literal to me. Ditto the universe being supposedly 6,000 years old, instructions for slavery and which women can be "taken for yourselves" after a war, and so on.
Of course, not being an atheist I like to place those things in historical perspective and see how we can meaningfully progress beyond them. Maintain and update the moral framework rather than discarding it entirely. As such, I don't think we should pretend that that's not what we're doing, or that we've "always had this understanding" or "actually meant to say something else all along." We're making alterations so that the religion remains fit for purpose, let's be honest here.
Not that I mean to say that you're intentionally lying, but putting too much of a spin on things can come across as dishonest even if that's not the intention. The people at any given time in Biblical and Church history were working with what they had, and in context of the society they had. We should expect them not to think like 21st-century people, and there's nothing wrong with that.
"oh I almost forgot about cannibalism."
BWAHAHAHAHAHA!
I was born in to a baptist family, but even as a child I was not able to be fully indoctrinated. I posed to many questions. I had a short period of time in which I believed in "God", and even accepted some of what I was told. However, because of my questioning nature I had come to my own conclusions by time I was around 12. There were to many questions that nobody would answer, or the answer was always "just because:, and I had to try to fill in the blanks on my own. Which lead me to the eventual conclusion that the religion I was being taught was untrue. I then spent a short time looking at other religions, only to find they had the exact same problems. The biggest one for me being the reasoning behind an all powerful being. It poses to many questions, and much of it can not be resolved.
that end made me laugh really hard. kind of the punchline to the running gag.
I'm a SUNY I follow the teaches put forth by the State Universities of New York.
Man... you have no idea Martymer how excited I get when I see you've made a new WDPLaSS video... May there be 100 of them!! OF COURSE!!!!
You know what's really sad, I miss Patchman
What has the world come too!
OMG, has he forgot the space jews?
No, "Jordan" forgot that he made a video where he explained where the jews came from, and now he did say that he do not know where they came from :)
I almost start to think that he does not believe what he are saying and that he just come up with random shit to get money from his followers.
When he says "we don't know where Judaism came from", he's using "we" to mean mainstream history. Drunvalo, Jordan and followers DO know.
My grammar is not great, but if Jordan think that he and his followers know, should he not sayed, "They do not know where Judaism came from"?
please tell me you'll do at least a short address of the new one about psychedelics. It begins with the stupidest Santa Claus theory I've ever seen.
*loads Bolter
Did someone say heresy?!
Until the Jewish alien cartoon I almost forgot the space jew thing existed.
The one thing that you didn't debunk was the account of the council of Nicaea. The council had nothing to do with Gnosticism, which had mostly died out by that point, but the Arian heresy. Constantine didn't pursecute other religions, quite the opposite. He established religious equality and ended persecution. Constantine was a Christian, so he tended to favour the church, but he still allowed non-Christians to serve in government.
14:36 "We ae both ankhed" XDxD LMAO!
08:54. so the disciples were the original, back-up "doo wop" singers?
nothing like a new Marty video to make my day better!
Catholics definitely believe Mary was born without sin. At least a couple Catholic Churches I’ve gone to preach that. I even made a fool of myself arguing that the Bible doesn’t say that. Even though the Bible doesn’t say it, some random person said it and they believe it.
Woah. I'm paused at 2:20 and even though I know this moment will be short lived, I'm quite impressed with Jordan's realistic approach to the validity of Christianity. I mean... wow...
Okay, time to continue the video and become disappointed!
You lost it on that last bit - and SO DID I!!!
Of course, he has videos that disagree with himself. Why because he makes it all up.
"Gnostics were bullied out of existence, before the bible war written"
Wait, wasn't there a huge gnostic community in Egypt, after the bible war written? Weren't there a lot of gnostic writings in Alexandria?
I love Zeitgeist, but I see it as entertainment ...
Immaculate conception actually refers to Mary originally. The belief is that she was also born without copulation.
what do you think about the social impact of religion where some say it prohibits people from being criminals?
"He was part of the free-speech movement at Berkley. I think he did a little too much LDS."
The age old space Jew, gets me every time.
Hello Martymer. I am 16 years old and I live in Texas. You have been a big influence on my life and how I view the world. You are what brought me to become an atheist and, although I always had a love of science, made me become a science geek. One of my goals is to be on the frontier of discovery in the scientific community and I was wondering. What do you think the boundary of human knowledge is? I don't really know what field I should go into where I could have a big impact on humanity's quest for knowledge. Also what options for jobs in those fields? I forgot to mention that I am a sophomore. Thank you Martymer!
If you would rather email or pm me just ask
That was the best outro ever!
Wild how there's all these sects that manage to be the true continuation of their religion.
there really are some who make the claim that Mary was immaculately conceived to be a vessel for "God" that's also free of sin..
The space Jew at the end made me lose my shit. Keep up the good work.
I'm pretty sure that 'speaking in tounges' when referring to the disciples is calling them omniglots, not doing the modern thing.
The last bit had me rolling on the floor!
Marty, your hair seems shinier than before.... Pert ?
Whoa, is he really now pretending he didn't say all of the crap he's been saying for years?
I wonder if he's going to have the guts to actually admit that he's been just making crap up for years.
While the smart ass portion of your videos can be entertaining at times, I do give you a thumbs up for what I see as a needed perspective.
I thought purgatory lasted forever.
hell is forever. purgatory is temp
If a Spirit Science video doesn't shoehorn quantum woo into itself, is it really a Spirit Science video?
Those last five seconds made me laugh more than I have all month. :D
Oh man can't wait until Jordan will cover Judaism.