I'm going to be real, I don't even own a gun. I just love this channel. Paul is like the Bob Ross of gun and ammo tutorials. I don't paint either but I watch Bob Ross. Also, I love the scenery in these videos. Keep up the great work Paul!
Paul Harrell probably could be considered as the Mythbuster of the firearms world. He takes REAL life guns and ammunition against a realistic ballistic test target. Thank you, Paul
1:53 Bullet size comparison 9:13 Chronograph results 14:16 Meat target 19:22 Recoil 21:08 30 Super Carry detailed discussion 24:26 "Long winded discussion" Hard to overstate how much I love this channel. It's just so well done! So carefully thought out, clearly presented, beginner friendly and above all useful.
Hi Paul, I'm so sorry to hear about your health. I've learned so much from your videos and your outstanding presentation style not to mention how to build your new and improved backstop! 🙂 I can't count how many of your videos I've watched over the years. These have been on platforms and calibers I own and shoot as well as ones I just wanted to learn more about. I shoot .357 Sig and I can tell you hands down that you have given the best information on those rounds out there. I used your AR-15 sight in video to help teach my son how to sight in his AR platform. If it's on RUclips and jives with what your father is telling you then it's legitimate apparently. I hope all your videos stay up so I can watch them time and time again to enjoy as well as to refresh my memory and give me a smile. Best wishes to you. You and your family are in my prayers.
I think they are the flip sides of the same coin, same motive with different tactics. They just want to try and use what they think is a logical arguments to support whatever bias, buyers regret or delusions and just approach it differently.
I'm always for giving people choice, I hope that .30SC does well, finds a happy home, and provides excellent service to people needing self defense! At the end of the day... I DON'T WANNA BE HIT by any of the shown calibers. So here's to wishing this new kid on the block the best chance at a future!
That's how I've always felt about calibers like .357 Sig or .327 Magnum. If it works for you, God bless you man, variety is one of the things that makes firearms so wonderful
I wish my high school algebra teacher had been as good a communicator as Mr. Harrell... maybe I would have done better in life with math. Another excellent one, Mr. P.H. I think you are the Gold Standard of firearm teachers today,. Keep up the good work, Sir !
Yep. Mr H does the recon and goes the extra mile. Even I can see this experience and am happy to follow his lead. It is important to me that I know how I am wrong.
It's almost bottom of the barrel for where teachers are placed, the mid-level maths -- at least in public schools I went to in the 70s. Poor math students. None got Mr Harrell.
I appreciate your ability to program for non experts while engaging the big guns too. thank you. when I ask a question here, even embarrassingly basic, someone steps and answers it here. thank you.
@@slappy8941 Do you struggle with English grammar that much? "Their", the possessive form of the pronoun They. "They're" contraction of They and Are. "Their (meaning Remington's) definition". Sounds right to me. Make sure that YOU are not wrong when you are trying to correct someone.
Unless someone can convince me otherwise, Remington's HTP line is the green and white box ammunition in a different box. Going from brass cases to nickel plated cases is not a real change.
it will always have a devout set of reloaders consuming though. .327 mag revolvers can chamber 4 different cartridges. the comparison to .30 SC (the one trick pony nobody asked for) is not quite right.
I remember when .32 H&R Magnum came out, the security company I worked for was actually considering switching all of us from the .38 Specials we were carrying to it, but then they realized the cost. I kind of wish they had, as the old .38's they issued us were about completely shot out and many were out of time and spit lead at us when we had to qualify.
327 is a supermagnum, a hotter version of 32 H&R magnum. For whatever reason the .32 cal stuff has never been all that popular. .38 is everywhere on the planet. .32 not so much.
Ruger LCR in .327 is an ideal pocket carry. the Speer GDs I've seen at beyond 1400fps (gun sam), so it's got an energy margin over even top shelf 9x19 from duty-sized guns.
@@bobjones-bt9bh A .32 long full metal jacket penetrates the ideal 12-20 inches in gel every single time, too. So it is like a .22, but it is a center fire, so it is basically the perfect carry round in a revolver for someone who is recoil sensitive. .32 HR mag is about like a .380. So a person can get one gun and have 4 different recoil levels. Idc what anyone says, a .327 mag JSP 100 grain is adequate black bear defense, too. Great options for every purpose.
As an engineer with a strong Scientific background , I understand the importance of correct analysis and comparison. Most sources comparisons are crap, cos they dont follow the set rules. Yours are refreshingly Great. I love your presentations. Keep up the brilliant work, Paul.
Yep. So often you get lost in a sea of confusion where all you have is messy data and you have no clue or inkling as how to piece it together. Paul does an excellent job. His videos are so organized and methodical. You don't even notice how good he is until you try and do your own testing lol.
A few decades ago, my brother bought a Grizzly WinMag in .45 Winchester Magnum. He swore that his semi-auto was superior in every way to my revolver, and that the .45 WinMag would replace the .44 Mag by the turn of the century. Although the .44 Mag is no longer even close to being king of the POWER hill, it is still very popular, while the .45 WinMag is just an interesting footnote.
I remember splash and fast disappearance of the Griz 45 Win Mag. It had several big strikes against it. First was the over-sized 1911ish handgun so it was heavy and you needed huge paws to grip it. Second, was the much higher price for this one of a kind pistol. Third, as the saying going it was a solution looking for a problem. It wasn't THAT much more powerful as a 6" .44 Mag revolver. Also, around that time handloaders with Ruger Blackhawks in .45 Colt figured out they could beat .44 Mag power. The Griz was an interesting engineering idea but that's about it.
Some governments restrict "military" chamberings (calibers) like 9x19, 7.62 NATO, etc. A decent pistol ammo will be appreciated by many, even if many of us see no purpose. It's similar to the 350 Legend which exists due to hunting regulations in some places, it's useful for many people.
The 350 legend exists because of straight wall cartridge states and weenies that can't handle recoil. It's not really needed if you're able to handle a thumper, a range finder, and figure out adjustable turrets. It's not popular in America because 'its not a military cartridge'.
@@andrewhenley2161 the only choice i ahve is .32 .25 or .22lr... this round is a gamechanger for alot of european countries. and i think thats what they are targeting.
@@jstefa2 their doing that and than some. The amount of rounds being fit into a magazine, is getting attention of people like me. I have been waiting for a small handgun in the subcompact realm that has higher capacity. I was considering some beretta's In .32acp, before the p365 capacity.
28:36 - The look on Paul's face is PRICELESS!! And I'm LMAO at the idea of those three calibers being obsolete by the end of the century as well. The .45 Colt will be 150 years old next year and it ROCKS!!
I appreciate the "Shatner-esque" pauses. Proper pauses and emphasis make it much easier to process what's being said, to focus on the important bits, and to gloss over the necessary caveats and disclaimers.
Paul this is the best video I've seen on 30 super Carry on RUclips in fact all of your gun videos are the best of anybody on RUclips you do a very good job you're a good dude love your videos brother
When we tested the 30 Super Carry the HTPs performance was subpar every time… the HST from Federal in 30 Super held its own with the 9mm in most of our testing! Thx for the vid Paul!
@@t.dubbya7000 i don't believe I said htp or hst. I just don't like federal and that's my opinion. I'm also not in law enforcement. They can use whatever they want and so can you.
@@beargillium2369 oh definitely! I like to use a lot of different brands with Speer GDs prolly being my favorite. I thought maybe you mixed up HST and HTP. The video was critical of the HTPs so I thought you were critical of them too. Hell, my man I'm just glad you like to shoot. Thanks for the reply.
I loved how you always gave us a chance to fast forward. I never did. I was like hearing you talk. God bless you and yours. Thank you to the family and friends keeping this channel live. God bless you.
I’m really grateful for your videos, Mr Harrell. I’ve selected a 380 platform for my personal defense needs primarily because of its containment within the meat target. I know there are more powerful choices, including the 30 Super Carry, but I’m not on a battlefield. So I’ve elected to do my best to protect against over-penetration. Thanks for all your work.
The best perspective on the .30 Super Carry caliber with a lot of parsimony and wisdom from someone who has experienced the attempt to program the obsolescence of legacy ammunition in favor of calibers intended for a very specific application.
I used to not like your videos, but the more I watch the more I like your stuff. Not over the top or as attention grabby as many youtubers. But man the amount of good information from your channel is insurmountable
A very thorough and detailed review of the .30 Super Carry round. Thank you, Paul. About your doubts about its future, I think I see a possibility for it. It would depend on some manufacturer coming up with a compact dual stack gun designed around this round. Hint, hint, Sig and FN! It could be a very small gun with 15 to 20 rounds in the magazine and ballistics very similar to the 9mm. Wow! I'm sure someone like Hornady or Speer could work out the expansion characteristics for the slug. However, if it remains just another odd round that can be chambered in existing frames, I'm afraid you're right. It'll just dry up and blow away.
What a gentleman throwing the olive branch to ACP! Well done sir. Last I heard he was questioning the results of the meat target. Which I immediately thought foolish because I've seen nothing but consistency with the meat target. So just to say again, what a mature way to tip your hat in the spirit of peace. More RUclips rs should act as you do.
Good thorough subject coverage, as always Paul. I was thrilled 30+ years ago when the .32 H&R magnum came out, especially when Ruger and S&W chambered some revolvers for this new cartridge, but I only wanted a Smith 16-4 and couldn’t afford one, now they are unobtanium. Next the Hornady .327 latest and greatest came out a few years ago, “almost as powerful as a .357 and less recoil!” Recoil in a small frame Ruger SP101 was quite unpleasant. S&W produced a few J frames and Ruger is desperately trying to keep it alive, and Ammo is expensive and hard to find. What I am tying to convey here is there will always be a niche market for oddities, but will they become mainstream, who knows? I am crazy about my KelTec P32, should everyone carry one, nope but when I am going minimalist it works for me. My CZ52 and Tok M57 are a blast and could be used for defense in a pinch, however I’d rather have my Beretta 92fs or Sig P938 for serious work if I was out and about. At home it’s the Les Baer Prem II in .45 and a short 11/87 behind the door. Some folks need just one or two firearms for fun and defense, that’s what works for them. But me, I can’t have too many, so there is always room for another critter in my stable! New cartridges always peak my interest. Wants and needs are an an enigma, my wife calls it a disease.
"Recoil in a small frame Ruger SP101 was quite unpleasant." Try loading using a fast powder like Titegroup, a max load. Still enough velocity for expansion, but much reduced blast and recoil.
Sorry to be a random on the internet correcting you, but it's 'pique' my interest as opposed to 'peak' Again, I'm not trying to be a know-it-all, and have a great day.
The 32H&R was a fabulous round..the market is driven by advertising not practicality or ballistics. The more "Hype" the more people buy, then day out quickly (like the 327) .. The question is why carry a firearm with a frame size equil to one that exists (as In 30SC vs 9mm) but loss in terminal performance and bullet selection and ammo availability? It looks nice but there is no real logical reason to make that selection. 2/3 rounds extra? With lower performance? You'll need those extra rounds so it's a stalemate...IMO
Shades of 6.8 spc rifle cartridges. It was supposed to take the world by storm and replace. 223 .556 but it never did. There are multiple stories of a new wonder round that was supposed to be something no one asked for but everything you ever needed! I was an early proponent of 10mm it fell out of fashion quickly and was replaced by .40 Smith&Wesson I kept mine and always hoped that someday people would see what a great round it was! Fast forward sometimes everything old is new again! Great video and informative as always thank you for everything you and your crew do for us!!
I'm holding out for A: seeing the ammo on the shelf and B: seeing a P365 or Hellcat chambered for it. The niche it really stands out for is that "maximum firepower in maximum compact" market that just popped up.
they barely just got a 380 version of the p365 after like what 4 years now. I don't think it will catch on just because it doesn't offer any significant advantages worth buying one for if you already have something or know about it when you buy. this seems more like the one someone would buy that doesn't know what they are looking for and gets talked into by someone selling them. then those types probably won't use it for anything other than just having around and won't buy ammo for it
IF I can have more ammo in a Defensive CCW carry pistol.. and the round hits like a 9.. I kinda see advantages, but like others I am waiting to see availability and decent prices
@@Mpeterson1286 I had a bersa thunder 380 . . I loved that gun, but #1) I sold it because about 9 years ago during an ammo Shortage I couldnt find Ammo #2 it was kinda large, it was comparable to some 9mm Pistols #3 380acp is a 9 mm short.. so its not as good as 9mm. I sold my beloved 380 bersa and got me a 9mm Pistol for $200 with 3 mags. I have had no issue finding 9mm ammo.. and my 9mm ccw may be a little snappy, but it's never failed me.
@@Mpeterson1286 It's not silly, it's perfect for people that like the platform, but want less recoil. It's also not exactly the same size & weight. It's not a massive difference, but the .380 slide is a little lighter & smaller. It's the most popular platform that offers an optic ready .380 chambered carry gun. I usually carry .40, but I can absolutely see the value in a .380 365.
Another great video Paul. The crazy thing about 30 sc is they came out with it during an ammo shortage. I’d call that bad timing. Mag capacity is not as essential as pop culture would have buyers believe. Easy for me to say being a 40s&w guy.
I'm reminded of my friend's former neighbor, when asked how she would respond to a thug at the door, she said "I'd just shoot through the door until I ran out of bullets". Her husband silently pulled the Glock 17 out of her hands and replaced it with a revolver. This is the new gunowner market they're fighting over -- it's a lot easier to sell "more more MORE" than marksmanship and tactics.
If anything, coming out with 30SC during an ammo shortage eliminates one of the primary weaknesses of a new caliber over an established caliber - that being ammo availability and price. If 9mm is already $0.30/round for FMJ and $0.50/round for decent JHP, is trying out a boutique caliber in the same price range that much more unreasonable?
@@stevenscott2136 Firearm manufacturers aren't concerned nor are they in the business of offering training. They sell products and are concerned with profits, nothing else.
Paul is becoming my favorite RUclips channel because he he is so practical in his videos. I am in love with the meat target because it tells me so much more than most ballistic gel tests when talking about handgun rounds. Good Job Mr Harrel
I found Paul in late 2019 when I was out on disability for a massive heel spur. He just showed up one day. Can’t say I had any complaints. Funny thing is I don’t watch any “GunTube” channels.
Established cartridges like 9mm have an almost insurmountable advantage over a newcomer to the field. The infrastructure, the history, and the sheer number of existing firearms chambered in a common caliber all stack the deck against it.
and to be honest, 9mm is a good cartridge. It does a great job of balancing size and weight, capacity, power, etc. It's just a really nice sweet spot for autoloaders. It's relatively easy to shoot too. If you want more power, there are options but 9mm deserves serious consideration from anyone looking to carry a pistol.
@Eric Nunya then outside factors change on that one, Cartridges like 9x19 got massive Military adoption, and so that rocketed it to the front of the line. hehe. also 9x19 was a significant difference in overall power, but 30 super carry, isn't a major difference. so coming up with a reason to switch is a lot harder.
I'm of the opinion that federal made a huge mistake trying to compete with 9mm. If they had kept their loading pressures to comparable of .380, then they could have dug into the 'lower recoil, smaller gun' market. Lot of new, and specifically female shooters out there in real need of softer recoil in a gun that they can carry easily. Since Federal has explicitly stated that they're trying to target .380 prices, it wouldn't be a huge leap for customer who would have bought the .380 to choose a caliber of the same price, and same recoil that offered the opportunity to carry more rounds.
I don’t know what effect Paul’s review of the Federal Super Carry will have on sales, but if Pop Tart sales aren’t going thru the roof, it ain’t Paul’s fault. They should try putting Paul on boxes.
I'm trusting Paul more and more for handgun information. He doesn't pick sides just gives the straight answers to the questions. The best chance the 30 sc has to make it is getting the gun models and different ammo types to market quickly. The longer it takes the fewer people that will jump on for the limited selection.
Taking another trip down Memory Lane, there's the 10mm Auto. At the time there were some very high horsepower figures in the firearms world touting this round. The FBI coverted to it, S&W and Colt made firearms for it, and there was the (as it turned out ill fated) Bren 10 ultimate defensive pistol made specifically for it. What happened? Well, the 10mm Auto turned out to be too powerful for the vast majority of applications, and difficult to carry and shoot well. It's the auto pistol version of a .44 Magnum in terms of recoil and pressure. It gave birth to the .40 S&W which dominated the law enforcement market for decades and is still in wide use today. The 10mm still holds on as an outdoorsman cartridge due to its performance on medium/large game, but that's about it. The .357 SIG, which is a fantastic round, also failed to catch on. However, recently we've seen the .300 Blackout, 6.5 Creedmoor, and a handful of others become commercial successes due to demand and successful marketing. The .30 Super Carry offers duty pistol level magazine capacities in a sub compact pistol size with a performance in those pistols very comparable to 9mm. Getting 17+1 rounds in a Sig 365 XL is very appealing, and with the explosion of Constitutional carry legislation being passed in 26 states so far it would seem to be poised for success. While I can't predict the future better than anyone else, I think it will catch on if the marketing is successful enough because it does offer a very useful answer to the capability issue that is often raised with compact and sub compact firearms. I've never complained about having too much ammo.
I sell a decent amount of 10mm defensive loads at the gun store I work at. It's not as dead as you think it is. It's about on par in sales to .40 and a little less than .380
I may have been looking at this differently, than the conclusion you came to at the end. I was looking at .30 super carry as a more desirable round option to the .380, not as a replacement to the 9mm. Near same ballistics as the 9mm round as your video demonstrates, but with more capacity than a .380 pistol. If this caliber remains an option, I would not purchase the .380, but choose the more powerful, higher round capacity of the .30 super carry. Love your videos, they are always very well thought through and you do a great job explaining everything!
I'll admit it, when they announced 30 Super Carry, I was one of those ones who went, well why not bring 38 Super or .357 Sig or 40 S&W or to get really crazy 45 GAP into the modern era with updated guns instead of making a brand new caliber. Nothing's wrong with any of those calibers, they just need more modern guns. However then upon digging further into what 30 Super Carry is suppose to do and then I went, okay I was wrong, there is a point to this caliber, it's just not for me.
@TiglathPileser3 Glad your honest about it isn't for you. That said the 40 was not for me, 1911 platform all the way... I carry a 40 now. It's not for why most people would think, like double stack, shorter grip (carried the P10-45 for years). It was only because local LEO duty carried G23, so I said fuck it, I am too. I've grown to enjoy the cartridge, even the platform. They used to carry 9's, which was a hell no for constant carry, still as a "church gun" it's fine.
I could see a sig 365 with two or three more shots pitting very well into my daily carry routine. Does that matter so does the standard. For me the number of rounds where I start to feel like yeah that's about right is 12 in the gun. More is always nicer but I wouldn't want a bigger gun to fit more. This cartridge makes sense for that but I think the support for it is going to be slim for a while. It's kind of like 327 Federal. If you like what it does and you reload or otherwise can ensure that you will have a decent supply of ammo then it's not that big of a deal once you have the components. I had a big pile of brass for this casting the bullets wouldn't be a big deal for practice ammo but this is the sort of caliber where the quality of the defensive projectile is going to make a bigger difference. 9 mm is already one of those calibers and this is going to be more so. If you're looking at something with more energy and mass like 40 Smith & Wesson just about any JHP will give you pretty good terminal ballistics. But something like this you'd have to have excellent bullets every time.
Paul: I'll leave the discussion for the end so people can get right into the content they want Paul's viewers: That sly dog is saving the best for last
Honestly I had never heard of 30 super carry before this video. So it was cool for me to see, and learn about a different and new caliber. As always a great entertaining and informative video keep up the great work Mr. Harrell, and crew.
I’ve been following this channel for a long time. Thank you for breaking this down for us. For me there is no significant advantage that the 30 super carry has over 9mm. 9mm has a proven track record and is widely available. 9mm it is for me.
@@realspitter2727 my Glock 43x which is a subcompact 9mm holds a total of 16rds and full size 9mm glock can hold up to 17+1 and that’s with the standard mag. To me that’s plenty of capacity. Also 9mm is more common, most people are gonna have it and it’s easy to find, this new caliber not so much so it just doesn’t make sense.
@@keatonbeer9674 I mean it's not really subcompact size anymore with the 15 round mag. Compact maybe. None of the .30 SC guns are truly subcompact either though.
@@keatonbeer9674 in a pistol, you might get an capacity increase of 2-3 rounds per magazine. But in a submachine gun or pistol carbine, that capacity increase jumps to 5-7 extra rounds per magazine. Not exactly an insubstantial increase in firepower, considering the mags are identical in physical size to 9mm mags. Those little bullets will add up over the long run.
Thank you Paul for another excellent presentation. I was curious about the performance of the 30SC and you have satisfied that curiosity. Take care and have a great week.
@@craigbenz4835 I mean, maybe, but I think the issue there is that it would then have alot more variables. As he said, we are not comparing firearms, we are comparing cartridges as closely as we can. Accuracy is based on a multitude of different things, and if we had the exact same model of firearm in all calibers shown, with same barrel length, I think it'd be fair. The fact we don't, you'd have to extrapolate alot of the results to how similar are these pistols and build quality, and how much of this is just the round being fired. I think at the end of the day, accuracy wise, it'll be perfectly acceptable for self defense. So while I agree that it would be a nice addition and I would like to see it myself too, I see why he didn't.
A civilian does not need to be lethal. A civilian needs to make a "change of behaviour" (basically the aggressor surrendering or running way) nothing more. You're not the police, you're not the army, you do not have to force compliance and Confront to Conform. As such pretty much any gun will do. For all the "low power" mockery the 380 ACP gets (for example) I challenge anyone to find ANYONE who'll agree to take a single 380 round to the chest.
You do the BEST tests and you make sure to be very thorough in your presentation, which I very much appreciate! I’m a new watcher but I’m definitely donating to your patreon!
Nicely done video with tons of practical information. I think 30 Super Carry is an interesting caliber. The real tell will be if companies like Ruger, Sig Sauer, and Glock decide to come on board. I also agree that knowing your weapon, how to handle it, shot placement, etc., are at least as important as how many rounds one carries. Also, the S&W Shield Plus is not really a small gun when compared to something like the Ruger LCP Max .380. The S&W Shield Plus SC is 19.3 oz w/ 13 rd empty mag. The Ruger LCP Max .380 is just 10.8 oz w/ 12 rd empty mag. One thing is certain, .380 and 9mm calibers are not going away. If 30 Super Carry wants to survive, gun makers will have to produce true micro-carry platforms in this caliber. So far, the only SC pistols are from S&W and Nighthawk - and they are not micro-carry size.
Seeing the results from the meat target today, I'm pretty disappointed in the .30. I really thought the JHP would have worked better, considering the 1100 FPS he was getting. Maybe something different like an HST or Critical Defense might perform like it should, but who knows. Also, considering that you can get an extended magazine for just about every 9mm that might only add half an inch for 2-3 extra rounds, I kind of think the .30 is trying to fill a gap that really isn't there by answering a question no one was really asking.
Also worth noting today there so many 9mm pistols even sub compacts with 10-13 round capacity even 15 rounds. Does 2 more rounds in .30 SC make that big a difference?
it's more like a step up from 380 with no noticeable penalty in recoil, and it's only intended to be a pocket carry round so like, yes there is a purpose for it, but it's not for everyone
Depends on advertising and how many firearms are sold in 30 Supercarry. That cartridges already fill this slot breaking into it is difficult. Making the firearms in 30SC less expensive and therefore more attractive would help but I doubt manufacturers will sell for any less than any other chambering
The only thing I can find "great" about the new cartridge, beside capacity (especially in a single stack), is the flatter path from barrel to target. Still I'm not going to be shooting it at 50 or 100 yard targets, well maybe on a lark. They said the 40 was flatter, hell of a lot flatter than even 45ACP +P. Still true the 9's have gotten sooooo... much better. I was a 45 constant guy, ended up a 40 constant carry. Still with "church guns" in 38 & *9* 😂
My biggest issue with this caliber isn't with its performance, weapons in the same or its potential; it's the TIMING of its release. In a time where ammo is harder to find, more expensive and components like primers (for handloaders) extremely cost prohibitive if at all available, my priority is getting ammo to feed my current stock of weaponry.
Amen! Worst timing in history for the release of a new carry cartridge. I wanna train, and it's hard enough to afford, and/or find 9mm. Instead of ammo companies wasting time, money, amd materials on 30SC, they should be using every available resource on producing 9mm and all other popular cartridges.
They probably wanted to get it out the door with the micro 9 releases. It's unfortunate timing but it would have died on the floor if they had decided to just sit on it until things maybe got better.
Thanks for your work . All things considered I'm sticking to my 9's because back in my day I invested so much money into the ammo . But I'm not hating the 30 supper cary !
I always enjoy your well thought out reviews and presentations. One characteristic of "obsolete" cartridges like the .30-30, .45 colt and .38 special is that they all have a long and venerable track record in history. Unlike the .30 Super Carry, they are not in search of "catching on" in the market place. They are already deservedly there. Modern powder and bullet design have only made them better. Give me 1873's 45-70 Government any day. I too believe in withholding judgement, but I too instinctively feel that the .30 Super Carry is a solution in search of a problem
There are some countries that limit what a citizen can own by caliber. Many places are restricted to .32 cal max for personal protection. .22lr, .25acp, or .32acp are the only options. Suddenly, the .30SC looks like a magnum. If they could get something that's compliant to local regs, that even comes CLOSE to 9mm power, that's a vast improvement. Just my thoughts. I'm qualified to carry with a .32 H&R mag, .40S&W, .357mag, and a .44 spl. The 357 is a truck gun so it's on my permit. The other 3 I rotate for personal carry. The 30sc might do better globally than domestically, where we have better caliber choices.
@@DeepOwl1073 Yeah and also 9mm is banned in some countries since its a military cartridge. This likely would be popular in countries like Mexico and Italy, and likely India since anything over .32 in a handgun is banned there.
I completely disagree. I think the most popular firearms in the nation right now are concealed carry firearms. And the consumers of those firearms are constantly asking engineering to provide more magazine capacity, more concealability, and more power than 380. This is exactly what main stream firearm consumers have asked for. And something that is close to 9mm performance while adding 3 extra cartidges to a magazine is nothing to poo on. Really compact single stack 9's may onlt hold 6 or 7 rounds, taking that to 9 or 10 is significant. This is a solution to the problem that engineering cannot cram any more 9mm into a smaller package. And some of us are excited about the innovation.
Realistic, fair, good information!!Everyone has to choose what’s best for them and I appreciate that you always go out of your way to point that out. You’re not trying to tell us what guns or caliber we HAVE to use, but you do always make fair and transparent tests and comparisons, for our information. Very cool- thanks for doing this important work for the community!
Once again, spot on! As always. Thank you.! The other major point is that most gun enthusiasts that buy, shoot or collect handguns, already have several 9mm firearms and most likely own lots of ammo in 9mm... 9mm has a 120 year track record.
I love Paul’s possible outcome for 30 super carry in the future at the end of the video. This whole video was amazing but that was one of my favorite parts! 😂
Thanks Paul for your invaluable time and insight. I didn’t even know that the 30 Supercarry existed until now. Also I want to thank you for your service to our country, not just in the military, but the training you provided in the past and for your current training for us. You are a great American! And it seems people have treated you wrongly for I don’t believe that you speak like William Shatner nor are your explanations boring or tedious. Actually many of us that are not gun savvy depend on your explanations to learn. So keep up the great training and the way you train!😊
I was waiting on this presentation since the cartridge was announced. I was curious to see if the cartridge would perform as advertised. The original Shield in 9mm held 8 rounds in the extended magazine and seven in the flush fit. The Shield Plus in 9mm, which is virtually identical in size, holds 13 in the extended mag and 11 in the flush fit. The .30 SC Shield Plus holds 15 & 13 respectively, that’s Glock 19 capacity in a very concealable gun. Unfortunately today’s performance results are disappointing. I would still like to see Hornady Critical Defense tested out of the gun though. Thanks for another great video Paul.
I think if more ammo manufacturers got involved and tested it, the round could be amazing. I carry 380 and sometimes 32 acp. Paul has done many videos showcasing that those rounds can be effective depending on what ammo you carry. Federal is always garbage with there carry rounds. They're never consistent. Lucky Gunner has done a lot of testing with ballistics gel and with almost ever calibers federal never penetrates the same and expansion doesn't always happen. I don't think it will be a 9mm killer but I think it would be a great carry gun if we could get good ammo for it
@@zachman9000100 Can you recommend a good place to see 32 ACP test results? I sometimes carry a KelTec 32, but I have it loaded with mediocre FMJ. I've always feared carrying hollow points because of insufficient penetration. (When I bought this P32, RUclips was a fledgling website and ammo testing was all text based on forums, so I felt utterly overwhelmed.)
@@cymond Paul recently made a new video on .32 ACP ammo selection. The results were... not impressive. None of the hollow points by any manufacturer showed any significant expansion. By comparison a number of manufacturers offer .380 ACP ammo that offers decent expansion. Paul's conclusion was if you want a really compact firearm, get a .25, and if you want a decent defensive round, get a .380. .32 is kind of an awkward, unhappy medium. But if you already have a .32, just buy the cheapest ammo you can find for it.
I really liked 357SIG when it came out; I was certain the Highway Patrol in many states would jump on it. It seems to be on the way out. The problem with 30 Super Carry is that it needs to compete with 9mm: it's not quite as effective and has the same recoil but it's new so it's more expensive. How many are willing to give up their 9mm and any ammo stockpile for this?
9mm? I'm still using .45 acp 😁. Reality is, I carry 9mm when I need to conceal a handgun and .45 acp when concealment isn't a concern. If I need more than that, I should have brought the rifle anyway. I still think .30 Super Carry would be an interesting round for a lever-action carbine though.
I think the biggest drawback to 357sig is similar to the drawback of this stuff, specialized chamber and specialized ammo made for a purpose nobody really asked for. That said, necked pistol ammo has always looked cool if nothing else!
@@beargillium2369 I gave my Springfield XD in 357 SIG to my brother who was experimenting with pistol shooting at 100 yards. The bullet drop on standard pistol calibers at that range can be significant.
Just a shoutout to you Paul for agreeing with a fellow youtube personality that you have disagreed with in the past. Just goes to show that different people have different opinions, and that opinion is based on thier experience, thier training, and ect.
We have a lot of 30-30 down here, the deer are so "small". Even frown on .308, more on 30-06, they'll blow through on a flat side shot. Well you could hand load to get the weight still with energy that it'll be one shot 🤔 shit, never thought of that when I was loading. The range down here to take them is almost always short too, why the energy is not needed. I laughed at a dude carrying a Mini 14, it was one shot for him, so then I laughed at myself 😂 We were running dogs, he wasn't, we were sporting shotguns and two on the line had 30 - 30, one bolt, one lever. Okay, I had thought about dialing it down, and tried, not for hunting just punching paper, trying a "target load". You just brought it to mind. _Didn't pursue it because the Garand became basically a bolt action too often._ lol often enough that I was just racking the bolt and dropping live rounds sometimes 😂 Point and laugh at me. Hey, what other calibers do you shoot? Just curious. Don't have to answer. ☺
Scarcity often equals value among collectors, especially among those that want one of every make/model/variant of a specific manufacturer like S&W. If I thought a new gun/caliber combination would be discontinued after a year or two after limited production, I might buy a couple and leave them unfired in the box until they become collectible.
If Paul Harrell confirms my initial thought on a caliber, it is most like correct. Thank you for talking about this caliber. Always neat to see new calibers but some are just solutions to problems that don't exist.
No worries. I’m always here for chronograph testing. I try to guess the velocity based on the sound of each shot after the first shot. It’s addictive! 🤣
I, definitely, adore my Marlin 336R .30-30 lever action and my bug (to my G26) is a Taurus Model 85 .38 Spl 2” ported SS snubby. Thanks for teaching us, Mr. Harrell. Hahaha, “got change for a dime?” Priceless! Blessings, Grace and Peace 😊
In otherwords, the .30 Super is to long of a round to take the place of the pocket gun .380, and the .30 is just a thinner version of a 9mm. .... .30 a solution looking for a problem...just like the .45 GAP. Outstanding presentation Paul.
9mm has developed such a broad variety of ammunition that it will be hard to displace as a favorite. And reloads are the key to having enough rds. But we do carry a 22 cal LCP on occasion as it is light, with no spare mag.
I am more curious to see how many rounds of 30 Super Carry can fit in the same size of a mag as a 9mm 30 round mag than I am for concealed carry options.
2 more in 12 round mags so judging by that and what we know about other calibers in .05 increments it should be 2 no matter what full size 40 compared to full size 9mm or 45 is 2 rounds difference same in compacts maybe in longer mags that difference might be more noticable
I would figure, with something like a Glock 17's 17 round mag, 20% would be roughly 3.4, so round down to 3, a total of 20 rounds in a 17 size magazine. So a 33 round glock mag would hold about 6.6 more rounds, so either 39 or 40, depending on spring and baseplate. How accurate this is... **shrugs**
One of the guns that launched with this caliber had all this marketing attached to it as well. More rounds in the same size. Turns out in reality they aren't actually the same damn size. So the percentage claim for the same size.... Yeah, your mileage may vary depending on the gun. Bottom line is to me this caliber is pointless.
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Back in my day all we needed was a powder horn and a 67 caliber musket ball. You whippersnappers with your self contained cartridges.
Ahhh, Ha Ha Ha ! Good one !
back in ugthug's day we throw objects at enemy ourselves. no fancy fire magic, just strong arm of ugthug.
Back in my day we didn't have those fancy gun things. We jumped onto the back of our game with a knife in our teeth and killed it like a man. 😀
@@NickFrom1228 bow and arrow. Sharpened stick.
Yeah, those suppository guns will never catch on.
R.I.P. PAUL.GOD SPEED SIR.😇🪽
I'm going to be real, I don't even own a gun. I just love this channel. Paul is like the Bob Ross of gun and ammo tutorials. I don't paint either but I watch Bob Ross. Also, I love the scenery in these videos. Keep up the great work Paul!
That's definitely a bot. But happy to hear you are enjoying his content.
get a gun if you can they're really cool.
Better get a gun. They are fun.
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Please sir, go get yourself a firearm. Our world is going downhill like a runaway train. YOU SERIOUSLY NEED A GUN.
Explaining the meat target is a total tongue twister, yet Paul says it super smooth. Lesson is always wear a T shirt
....because the back of the T-shirt usually will stop a bullet....?
@@TheWolfsnack on expanding rounds.
That's why I wear my t-shirt backwards.
LOL🤣👍
@@oldmanmarkpapaclansuperior9548 you sir are a genius, that's cheaper than level 4 plates
I still laugh every time the pop tarts ad pops up. Brilliant.
Paul Harrell probably could be considered as the Mythbuster of the firearms world. He takes REAL life guns and ammunition against a realistic ballistic test target.
Thank you, Paul
Yup
1:53 Bullet size comparison
9:13 Chronograph results
14:16 Meat target
19:22 Recoil
21:08 30 Super Carry detailed discussion
24:26 "Long winded discussion"
Hard to overstate how much I love this channel. It's just so well done! So carefully thought out, clearly presented, beginner friendly and above all useful.
God bless
@@donovanchilton5817 You're a delightful soul yourself.
You can watch the whole thing? Congrats.
Ya freaking legend you!!
A god amongst men
Gun owners: When is this ammo crunch going to end?
Manufacturers: Hey look! We made a whole new cartridge!
seriously...wtf..!?!?
I know right!
Exactly.
Some bully in the boardroom pushing dumb ideas.
See also, 270 wsm and 6.8 western. Proof that planned obsolescence isn't limited to silicon chip commodities.
Hi Paul, I'm so sorry to hear about your health. I've learned so much from your videos and your outstanding presentation style not to mention how to build your new and improved backstop! 🙂 I can't count how many of your videos I've watched over the years. These have been on platforms and calibers I own and shoot as well as ones I just wanted to learn more about. I shoot .357 Sig and I can tell you hands down that you have given the best information on those rounds out there. I used your AR-15 sight in video to help teach my son how to sight in his AR platform. If it's on RUclips and jives with what your father is telling you then it's legitimate apparently. I hope all your videos stay up so I can watch them time and time again to enjoy as well as to refresh my memory and give me a smile. Best wishes to you. You and your family are in my prayers.
The "back in MY day!" faction needs to make more appearances; the what if brigade has had it's day lol
Even if they double in appearances, it will still only be 2.
- Veteran of the twice nothing platoon
The "Back in MY Day Group" vs the "What If Brigade", I'd pay to watch that firefight unfold.
The "back in MY day" group is overrepresented honestly, their opinions are nearly worthless.
@@ostiariusalpha not on paul's channel lmao
I think they are the flip sides of the same coin, same motive with different tactics. They just want to try and use what they think is a logical arguments to support whatever bias, buyers regret or delusions and just approach it differently.
I'm always for giving people choice, I hope that .30SC does well, finds a happy home, and provides excellent service to people needing self defense! At the end of the day... I DON'T WANNA BE HIT by any of the shown calibers. So here's to wishing this new kid on the block the best chance at a future!
That's how I've always felt about calibers like .357 Sig or .327 Magnum. If it works for you, God bless you man, variety is one of the things that makes firearms so wonderful
Thanks for all hard work Paul
I wish my high school algebra teacher had been as good a communicator as Mr. Harrell... maybe I would have done better in life with math. Another excellent one, Mr. P.H. I think you are the Gold Standard of firearm teachers today,. Keep up the good work, Sir !
My algebra teacher wasn’t bad but my geometry teacher was horrible.
Agreed in all respects!
pravoslavnik, gold, platinum & diamond standard presenter we have been somehow blessed with !!
Yep. Mr H does the recon and goes the extra mile. Even I can see this experience and am happy to follow his lead. It is important to me that I know how I am wrong.
It's almost bottom of the barrel for where teachers are placed, the mid-level maths -- at least in public schools I went to in the 70s. Poor math students. None got Mr Harrell.
I appreciate your ability to program for non experts while engaging the big guns too. thank you. when I ask a question here, even embarrassingly basic, someone steps and answers it here. thank you.
Getting a respectable honest answer here is the best
It has seriously helped my knowledge level.
Thanks for being part of the community :)
we're all learning
Thank you Paul for this excellent video R.I.P. Paul Harrell is my favourite RUclips production.
"Their definition of high terminal performance is different from mine" You're too kind, Paul.
"They are definition?" Do you really struggle that much with basic English grammar?
@@slappy8941 Even I make a mistake. Don't get your panties in a bunch.
@@slappy8941 Do you struggle with English grammar that much? "Their", the possessive form of the pronoun They. "They're" contraction of They and Are. "Their (meaning Remington's) definition". Sounds right to me. Make sure that YOU are not wrong when you are trying to correct someone.
@@BU1Lander They broke up the "They're" mistake from OP by making it a point to phrase out the separate words so that the error can be apparent.
Unless someone can convince me otherwise, Remington's HTP line is the green and white box ammunition in a different box. Going from brass cases to nickel plated cases is not a real change.
.327 Federal magnum comes to mind. I was curious about the round when it came out but held off to see if it broke out. It never really did.
it will always have a devout set of reloaders consuming though. .327 mag revolvers can chamber 4 different cartridges. the comparison to .30 SC (the one trick pony nobody asked for) is not quite right.
I remember when .32 H&R Magnum came out, the security company I worked for was actually considering switching all of us from the .38 Specials we were carrying to it, but then they realized the cost. I kind of wish they had, as the old .38's they issued us were about completely shot out and many were out of time and spit lead at us when we had to qualify.
327 is a supermagnum, a hotter version of 32 H&R magnum. For whatever reason the .32 cal stuff has never been all that popular. .38 is everywhere on the planet. .32 not so much.
Ruger LCR in .327 is an ideal pocket carry. the Speer GDs I've seen at beyond 1400fps (gun sam), so it's got an energy margin over even top shelf 9x19 from duty-sized guns.
@@bobjones-bt9bh A .32 long full metal jacket penetrates the ideal 12-20 inches in gel every single time, too. So it is like a .22, but it is a center fire, so it is basically the perfect carry round in a revolver for someone who is recoil sensitive. .32 HR mag is about like a .380.
So a person can get one gun and have 4 different recoil levels. Idc what anyone says, a .327 mag JSP 100 grain is adequate black bear defense, too. Great options for every purpose.
As an engineer with a strong Scientific background , I understand the importance of correct analysis and comparison. Most sources comparisons are crap, cos they dont follow the set rules. Yours are refreshingly Great. I love your presentations. Keep up the brilliant work, Paul.
You're an engineer and you can't spell "because" ?
@@Sickofsociety1 Not to mention the lack of understand as to when to capitalize words.
us engineers are good with numbers not words :P
Yep. So often you get lost in a sea of confusion where all you have is messy data and you have no clue or inkling as how to piece it together. Paul does an excellent job. His videos are so organized and methodical. You don't even notice how good he is until you try and do your own testing lol.
Lighten up Francis.
A few decades ago, my brother bought a Grizzly WinMag in .45 Winchester Magnum. He swore that his semi-auto was superior in every way to my revolver, and that the .45 WinMag would replace the .44 Mag by the turn of the century.
Although the .44 Mag is no longer even close to being king of the POWER hill, it is still very popular, while the .45 WinMag is just an interesting footnote.
First I've heard of that cartridge
I remember splash and fast disappearance of the Griz 45 Win Mag. It had several big strikes against it. First was the over-sized 1911ish handgun so it was heavy and you needed huge paws to grip it. Second, was the much higher price for this one of a kind pistol. Third, as the saying going it was a solution looking for a problem. It wasn't THAT much more powerful as a 6" .44 Mag revolver. Also, around that time handloaders with Ruger Blackhawks in .45 Colt figured out they could beat .44 Mag power.
The Griz was an interesting engineering idea but that's about it.
@@SonOfTheDawn515 You must not have been deep into handguns in the 1970s. 😉
But what about the 9MM Win Mag? Whatever happened there?
@@monkeyship74401 or the 10mm magnum.
Some governments restrict "military" chamberings (calibers) like 9x19, 7.62 NATO, etc. A decent pistol ammo will be appreciated by many, even if many of us see no purpose. It's similar to the 350 Legend which exists due to hunting regulations in some places, it's useful for many people.
Pretty much only Mexico
But you can't own anything other than .380, .32, .25 or .22 in Mexico anyway
do you even 9x18?
@@EricTheActor805 Thanks for the info.
@@roybiv7018
And in Canada .25 and .32 are expressly prohibited
The 350 legend exists because of straight wall cartridge states and weenies that can't handle recoil. It's not really needed if you're able to handle a thumper, a range finder, and figure out adjustable turrets. It's not popular in America because 'its not a military cartridge'.
I'm actually kinda curious how this will do in countries that restrict civilian handguns to calibers .32 and smaller and what not.
That... is an angle/niche I had not considered. Also some countries restrict you to non military calibers.
@@andrewhenley2161 I've even seen laws on the books that speak to restrictions based on SAAMI pressure specs
That's a really good point.
@@andrewhenley2161 the only choice i ahve is .32 .25 or .22lr... this round is a gamechanger for alot of european countries. and i think thats what they are targeting.
@@jstefa2 their doing that and than some.
The amount of rounds being fit into a magazine, is getting attention of people like me. I have been waiting for a small handgun in the subcompact realm that has higher capacity. I was considering some beretta's In .32acp, before the p365 capacity.
Back in my day, black powder and a .36 ball got the job done. 😁
Back in my day we had to use bows and arrows and WE LIKED IT! 😂
Back in my day, we had sharks with frickin' laser beams attached to their heads!
Back in my day we just had sticks. But we had some clever fella's that could get their thrown stick to come back.
Back in my day we used harsh language and yo momma jokes
It still does.
28:36 - The look on Paul's face is PRICELESS!! And I'm LMAO at the idea of those three calibers being obsolete by the end of the century as well. The .45 Colt will be 150 years old next year and it ROCKS!!
God Bless Paul!
R.I.P.
Once again Paul you have produced a good video . I like your use of the meat targets .
I will stay with 9 × 19 ( 9 MM ) .
I appreciate the "Shatner-esque" pauses. Proper pauses and emphasis make it much easier to process what's being said, to focus on the important bits, and to gloss over the necessary caveats and disclaimers.
I got into a 30-super carry discussion at work today with a co-worker; I rushed home to watch this video again!
Paul this is the best video I've seen on 30 super Carry on RUclips in fact all of your gun videos are the best of anybody on RUclips you do a very good job you're a good dude love your videos brother
When we tested the 30 Super Carry the HTPs performance was subpar every time… the HST from Federal in 30 Super held its own with the 9mm in most of our testing! Thx for the vid Paul!
Federal seems to be garbage in general... Not a fan
@@beargillium2369 HTP is Remington isn't it? Federal's HSTs are well used and very trusted among most law enforcement agencies.
@@t.dubbya7000 i don't believe I said htp or hst. I just don't like federal and that's my opinion. I'm also not in law enforcement. They can use whatever they want and so can you.
@@beargillium2369 oh definitely! I like to use a lot of different brands with Speer GDs prolly being my favorite. I thought maybe you mixed up HST and HTP. The video was critical of the HTPs so I thought you were critical of them too. Hell, my man I'm just glad you like to shoot. Thanks for the reply.
@@t.dubbya7000 🍻😁
I loved how you always gave us a chance to fast forward. I never did. I was like hearing you talk. God bless you and yours. Thank you to the family and friends keeping this channel live. God bless you.
I’m really grateful for your videos, Mr Harrell. I’ve selected a 380 platform for my personal defense needs primarily because of its containment within the meat target. I know there are more powerful choices, including the 30 Super Carry, but I’m not on a battlefield. So I’ve elected to do my best to protect against over-penetration. Thanks for all your work.
I don't know... I might hold off until they come out with the 30 super duper deluxe carry
The best perspective on the .30 Super Carry caliber with a lot of parsimony and wisdom from someone who has experienced the attempt to program the obsolescence of legacy ammunition in favor of calibers intended for a very specific application.
I used to not like your videos, but the more I watch the more I like your stuff. Not over the top or as attention grabby as many youtubers. But man the amount of good information from your channel is insurmountable
I hope you know how much we appreciate you. Be Safe and Be Blessed.
You're the best for a reason Paul. Extremely objective, data fueled, breakdown of the cartridge with 2 other comparables. Appreciate you!
A very thorough and detailed review of the .30 Super Carry round. Thank you, Paul. About your doubts about its future, I think I see a possibility for it. It would depend on some manufacturer coming up with a compact dual stack gun designed around this round. Hint, hint, Sig and FN! It could be a very small gun with 15 to 20 rounds in the magazine and ballistics very similar to the 9mm. Wow! I'm sure someone like Hornady or Speer could work out the expansion characteristics for the slug. However, if it remains just another odd round that can be chambered in existing frames, I'm afraid you're right. It'll just dry up and blow away.
Another great video. We appreciate all the work you do to present great information. Keep doing what you do. Praying for you my friend.
What a gentleman throwing the olive branch to ACP! Well done sir. Last I heard he was questioning the results of the meat target. Which I immediately thought foolish because I've seen nothing but consistency with the meat target. So just to say again, what a mature way to tip your hat in the spirit of peace. More RUclips rs should act as you do.
We love you Paul. Best of luck with your health issues. Love ya man!
Good thorough subject coverage, as always Paul. I was thrilled 30+ years ago when the .32 H&R magnum came out, especially when Ruger and S&W chambered some revolvers for this new cartridge, but I only wanted a Smith 16-4 and couldn’t afford one, now they are unobtanium. Next the Hornady .327 latest and greatest came out a few years ago, “almost as powerful as a .357 and less recoil!” Recoil in a small frame Ruger SP101 was quite unpleasant. S&W produced a few J frames and Ruger is desperately trying to keep it alive, and Ammo is expensive and hard to find. What I am tying to convey here is there will always be a niche market for oddities, but will they become mainstream, who knows? I am crazy about my KelTec P32, should everyone carry one, nope but when I am going minimalist it works for me. My CZ52 and Tok M57 are a blast and could be used for defense in a pinch, however I’d rather have my Beretta 92fs or Sig P938 for serious work if I was out and about. At home it’s the Les Baer Prem II in .45 and a short 11/87 behind the door. Some folks need just one or two firearms for fun and defense, that’s what works for them. But me, I can’t have too many, so there is always room for another critter in my stable! New cartridges always peak my interest. Wants and needs are an an enigma, my wife calls it a disease.
"Recoil in a small frame Ruger SP101 was quite unpleasant." Try loading using a fast powder like Titegroup, a max load. Still enough velocity for expansion, but much reduced blast and recoil.
Sorry to be a random on the internet correcting you, but it's 'pique' my interest as opposed to 'peak'
Again, I'm not trying to be a know-it-all, and have a great day.
I can relate. I'm, at least partially, a caliber collector. I like all sorts of oddities and obscurities.
The 32H&R was a fabulous round..the market is driven by advertising not practicality or ballistics.
The more "Hype" the more people buy, then day out quickly (like the 327) ..
The question is why carry a firearm with a frame size equil to one that exists (as In 30SC vs 9mm) but loss in terminal performance and bullet selection and ammo availability?
It looks nice but there is no real logical reason to make that selection. 2/3 rounds extra? With lower performance? You'll need those extra rounds so it's a stalemate...IMO
I thought you said it was an enema lol
I love how all of his videos appear to be made in the early to mid 2000s, even when they were just made
Shades of 6.8 spc rifle cartridges. It was supposed to take the world by storm and replace. 223 .556 but it never did. There are multiple stories of a new wonder round that was supposed to be something no one asked for but everything you ever needed! I was an early proponent of 10mm it fell out of fashion quickly and was replaced by .40 Smith&Wesson I kept mine and always hoped that someday people would see what a great round it was! Fast forward sometimes everything old is new again! Great video and informative as always thank you for everything you and your crew do for us!!
I'm holding out for A: seeing the ammo on the shelf and B: seeing a P365 or Hellcat chambered for it.
The niche it really stands out for is that "maximum firepower in maximum compact" market that just popped up.
they barely just got a 380 version of the p365 after like what 4 years now. I don't think it will catch on just because it doesn't offer any significant advantages worth buying one for if you already have something or know about it when you buy. this seems more like the one someone would buy that doesn't know what they are looking for and gets talked into by someone selling them. then those types probably won't use it for anything other than just having around and won't buy ammo for it
@@wades623
But the 380 version is silly.
Its the exact same size and capacity as the 9mm...🤦
IF I can have more ammo in a Defensive CCW carry pistol.. and the round hits like a 9..
I kinda see advantages, but like others I am waiting to see availability and decent prices
@@Mpeterson1286 I had a bersa thunder 380 . . I loved that gun, but #1) I sold it because about 9 years ago during an ammo Shortage I couldnt find Ammo
#2 it was kinda large, it was comparable to some 9mm Pistols
#3 380acp is a 9 mm short.. so its not as good as 9mm.
I sold my beloved 380 bersa and got me a 9mm Pistol for $200 with 3 mags. I have had no issue finding 9mm ammo.. and my 9mm ccw may be a little snappy, but it's never failed me.
@@Mpeterson1286 It's not silly, it's perfect for people that like the platform, but want less recoil.
It's also not exactly the same size & weight.
It's not a massive difference, but the .380 slide is a little lighter & smaller.
It's the most popular platform that offers an optic ready .380 chambered carry gun.
I usually carry .40, but I can absolutely see the value in a .380 365.
Another great video Paul. The crazy thing about 30 sc is they came out with it during an ammo shortage. I’d call that bad timing. Mag capacity is not as essential as pop culture would have buyers believe. Easy for me to say being a 40s&w guy.
I'm reminded of my friend's former neighbor, when asked how she would respond to a thug at the door, she said "I'd just shoot through the door until I ran out of bullets".
Her husband silently pulled the Glock 17 out of her hands and replaced it with a revolver.
This is the new gunowner market they're fighting over -- it's a lot easier to sell "more more MORE" than marksmanship and tactics.
If anything, coming out with 30SC during an ammo shortage eliminates one of the primary weaknesses of a new caliber over an established caliber - that being ammo availability and price. If 9mm is already $0.30/round for FMJ and $0.50/round for decent JHP, is trying out a boutique caliber in the same price range that much more unreasonable?
@@stevenscott2136 Firearm manufacturers aren't concerned nor are they in the business of offering training. They sell products and are concerned with profits, nothing else.
Watching cop body cam footage leaves me still leaning heavily on the higher capacity side of the capacity vs handgun size/stopping power debate.
@@JohnSmith-fq3rg Capacity is excellent. More and better training is critical. More ammo being turned into more misses solves nothing.
Man these cooking shows just keep getting wilder. Now we are tenderizing and marinating at the same time, while enjoying a day at the range. Genius!
Super Carry Evaluation Expialidocious.
Paul is becoming my favorite RUclips channel because he he is so practical in his videos. I am in love with the meat target because it tells me so much more than most ballistic gel tests when talking about handgun rounds. Good Job Mr Harrel
Your right.. the meat target is a great Representation on how and what a round will do to you. I'm not a big fan of jello test.
I found Paul in late 2019 when I was out on disability for a massive heel spur. He just showed up one day.
Can’t say I had any complaints.
Funny thing is I don’t watch any “GunTube” channels.
Watched this video again today and no one has ever done better videos than the legend!
Established cartridges like 9mm have an almost insurmountable advantage over a newcomer to the field. The infrastructure, the history, and the sheer number of existing firearms chambered in a common caliber all stack the deck against it.
and to be honest, 9mm is a good cartridge. It does a great job of balancing size and weight, capacity, power, etc. It's just a really nice sweet spot for autoloaders. It's relatively easy to shoot too. If you want more power, there are options but 9mm deserves serious consideration from anyone looking to carry a pistol.
@@DriveCarToBar
for higher power you could even lean towards some of the really hot 9x19 loads. or certain types of less standard Projectiles.
@@taiiat0 yup. They do make lighter 9mm bullets that go even faster and a good modern handgun doesn't mind +p loads. Or even some +p+ on occasion.
@Eric Nunya
then outside factors change on that one, Cartridges like 9x19 got massive Military adoption, and so that rocketed it to the front of the line. hehe.
also 9x19 was a significant difference in overall power, but 30 super carry, isn't a major difference. so coming up with a reason to switch is a lot harder.
I'm of the opinion that federal made a huge mistake trying to compete with 9mm. If they had kept their loading pressures to comparable of .380, then they could have dug into the 'lower recoil, smaller gun' market. Lot of new, and specifically female shooters out there in real need of softer recoil in a gun that they can carry easily. Since Federal has explicitly stated that they're trying to target .380 prices, it wouldn't be a huge leap for customer who would have bought the .380 to choose a caliber of the same price, and same recoil that offered the opportunity to carry more rounds.
I don’t know what effect Paul’s review of the Federal Super Carry will have on sales, but if Pop Tart sales aren’t going thru the roof, it ain’t Paul’s fault. They should try putting Paul on boxes.
I'm trusting Paul more and more for handgun information. He doesn't pick sides just gives the straight answers to the questions.
The best chance the 30 sc has to make it is getting the gun models and different ammo types to market quickly. The longer it takes the fewer people that will jump on for the limited selection.
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Taking another trip down Memory Lane, there's the 10mm Auto. At the time there were some very high horsepower figures in the firearms world touting this round. The FBI coverted to it, S&W and Colt made firearms for it, and there was the (as it turned out ill fated) Bren 10 ultimate defensive pistol made specifically for it.
What happened? Well, the 10mm Auto turned out to be too powerful for the vast majority of applications, and difficult to carry and shoot well. It's the auto pistol version of a .44 Magnum in terms of recoil and pressure. It gave birth to the .40 S&W which dominated the law enforcement market for decades and is still in wide use today. The 10mm still holds on as an outdoorsman cartridge due to its performance on medium/large game, but that's about it.
The .357 SIG, which is a fantastic round, also failed to catch on.
However, recently we've seen the .300 Blackout, 6.5 Creedmoor, and a handful of others become commercial successes due to demand and successful marketing.
The .30 Super Carry offers duty pistol level magazine capacities in a sub compact pistol size with a performance in those pistols very comparable to 9mm. Getting 17+1 rounds in a Sig 365 XL is very appealing, and with the explosion of Constitutional carry legislation being passed in 26 states so far it would seem to be poised for success.
While I can't predict the future better than anyone else, I think it will catch on if the marketing is successful enough because it does offer a very useful answer to the capability issue that is often raised with compact and sub compact firearms. I've never complained about having too much ammo.
Could be best marketed towards replacing the.380 over the 9mm.
I sell a decent amount of 10mm defensive loads at the gun store I work at. It's not as dead as you think it is. It's about on par in sales to .40 and a little less than .380
@@marcusborderlands6177It performs well in PCCs, too, doesn't it?
I may have been looking at this differently, than the conclusion you came to at the end. I was looking at .30 super carry as a more desirable round option to the .380, not as a replacement to the 9mm. Near same ballistics as the 9mm round as your video demonstrates, but with more capacity than a .380 pistol. If this caliber remains an option, I would not purchase the .380, but choose the more powerful, higher round capacity of the .30 super carry. Love your videos, they are always very well thought through and you do a great job explaining everything!
Exactly. I don't understand how anyone can complain about this new cartridge.
Wish they made an LCP in 30 Super carry with an 8 round mag
I have seen other comparisons on this topic from other channels, but I always Love Pauls take on it. And man, the Pop Tart commercials are on fire!❤🔥
I'll admit it, when they announced 30 Super Carry, I was one of those ones who went, well why not bring 38 Super or .357 Sig or 40 S&W or to get really crazy 45 GAP into the modern era with updated guns instead of making a brand new caliber. Nothing's wrong with any of those calibers, they just need more modern guns. However then upon digging further into what 30 Super Carry is suppose to do and then I went, okay I was wrong, there is a point to this caliber, it's just not for me.
@TiglathPileser3 Glad your honest about it isn't for you. That said the 40 was not for me, 1911 platform all the way... I carry a 40 now. It's not for why most people would think, like double stack, shorter grip (carried the P10-45 for years). It was only because local LEO duty carried G23, so I said fuck it, I am too. I've grown to enjoy the cartridge, even the platform. They used to carry 9's, which was a hell no for constant carry, still as a "church gun" it's fine.
a semi-auto 25 acp out of a super-short barreled pistol (2.5 inch) double stack is my dream edc =..(
I could see a sig 365 with two or three more shots pitting very well into my daily carry routine. Does that matter so does the standard. For me the number of rounds where I start to feel like yeah that's about right is 12 in the gun. More is always nicer but I wouldn't want a bigger gun to fit more.
This cartridge makes sense for that but I think the support for it is going to be slim for a while. It's kind of like 327 Federal. If you like what it does and you reload or otherwise can ensure that you will have a decent supply of ammo then it's not that big of a deal once you have the components. I had a big pile of brass for this casting the bullets wouldn't be a big deal for practice ammo but this is the sort of caliber where the quality of the defensive projectile is going to make a bigger difference. 9 mm is already one of those calibers and this is going to be more so. If you're looking at something with more energy and mass like 40 Smith & Wesson just about any JHP will give you pretty good terminal ballistics. But something like this you'd have to have excellent bullets every time.
@@GunFunZS i could see a sig 365 in a trash can, under the banana peels =/
As far as I'm concerned, .30SC should be for a single stack, extra flat carry pistol.
Makes sense for that job.
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The boring part where all he does is talk?
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Honestly I had never heard of 30 super carry before this video. So it was cool for me to see, and learn about a different and new caliber. As always a great entertaining and informative video keep up the great work Mr. Harrell, and crew.
I’ve been following this channel for a long time. Thank you for breaking this down for us. For me there is no significant advantage that the 30 super carry has over 9mm. 9mm has a proven track record and is widely available. 9mm it is for me.
Capacity?
@@realspitter2727 my Glock 43x which is a subcompact 9mm holds a total of 16rds and full size 9mm glock can hold up to 17+1 and that’s with the standard mag. To me that’s plenty of capacity. Also 9mm is more common, most people are gonna have it and it’s easy to find, this new caliber not so much so it just doesn’t make sense.
@@keatonbeer9674 I mean it's not really subcompact size anymore with the 15 round mag. Compact maybe. None of the .30 SC guns are truly subcompact either though.
@@redtra236 the term subcompact is based off the size of the gun, it’s not based off ammo capacity.
@@keatonbeer9674 in a pistol, you might get an capacity increase of 2-3 rounds per magazine.
But in a submachine gun or pistol carbine, that capacity increase jumps to 5-7 extra rounds per magazine.
Not exactly an insubstantial increase in firepower, considering the mags are identical in physical size to 9mm mags. Those little bullets will add up over the long run.
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Thank you Paul for another excellent presentation. I was curious about the performance of the 30SC and you have satisfied that curiosity. Take care and have a great week.
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A well placed bullet in pretty much any caliber can be lethal ... Great presentation. Found it very interesting and informative.
Some paper target accuracy demonstration would have been a nice addition for the new cartridge.
@@craigbenz4835 I mean, maybe, but I think the issue there is that it would then have alot more variables. As he said, we are not comparing firearms, we are comparing cartridges as closely as we can. Accuracy is based on a multitude of different things, and if we had the exact same model of firearm in all calibers shown, with same barrel length, I think it'd be fair. The fact we don't, you'd have to extrapolate alot of the results to how similar are these pistols and build quality, and how much of this is just the round being fired. I think at the end of the day, accuracy wise, it'll be perfectly acceptable for self defense. So while I agree that it would be a nice addition and I would like to see it myself too, I see why he didn't.
clarification, you mean incapacitating. Even poorly placed rounds will be fatal if the victim receives no medical attention.
@@theparaminuteman I usually don't like pithy talking points, but this one is relevant.
A civilian does not need to be lethal. A civilian needs to make a "change of behaviour" (basically the aggressor surrendering or running way) nothing more. You're not the police, you're not the army, you do not have to force compliance and Confront to Conform. As such pretty much any gun will do. For all the "low power" mockery the 380 ACP gets (for example) I challenge anyone to find ANYONE who'll agree to take a single 380 round to the chest.
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Nicely done video with tons of practical information. I think 30 Super Carry is an interesting caliber. The real tell will be if companies like Ruger, Sig Sauer, and Glock decide to come on board. I also agree that knowing your weapon, how to handle it, shot placement, etc., are at least as important as how many rounds one carries. Also, the S&W Shield Plus is not really a small gun when compared to something like the Ruger LCP Max .380. The S&W Shield Plus SC is 19.3 oz w/ 13 rd empty mag. The Ruger LCP Max .380 is just 10.8 oz w/ 12 rd empty mag. One thing is certain, .380 and 9mm calibers are not going away. If 30 Super Carry wants to survive, gun makers will have to produce true micro-carry platforms in this caliber. So far, the only SC pistols are from S&W and Nighthawk - and they are not micro-carry size.
Thank you for this excellent review, demonstration/test, and comparison. As always, your work is top shelf.
Watching all the videos that Paul made that somehow I missed when they came out.
Seeing the results from the meat target today, I'm pretty disappointed in the .30. I really thought the JHP would have worked better, considering the 1100 FPS he was getting. Maybe something different like an HST or Critical Defense might perform like it should, but who knows.
Also, considering that you can get an extended magazine for just about every 9mm that might only add half an inch for 2-3 extra rounds, I kind of think the .30 is trying to fill a gap that really isn't there by answering a question no one was really asking.
Yes, good point
I expected better from it too. Maybe something like the Lehigh phillips head bullets would do better in 30.
Also worth noting today there so many 9mm pistols even sub compacts with 10-13 round capacity even 15 rounds. Does 2 more rounds in .30 SC make that big a difference?
@@ericw3229 This is the second attempt at a niche caliber. Remember the 327 Fed Magnum?
it's more like a step up from 380 with no noticeable penalty in recoil, and it's only intended to be a pocket carry round so like, yes there is a purpose for it, but it's not for everyone
Great job, as usual, Paul, thank you.
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Depends on advertising and how many firearms are sold in 30 Supercarry. That cartridges already fill this slot breaking into it is difficult. Making the firearms in 30SC less expensive and therefore more attractive would help but I doubt manufacturers will sell for any less than any other chambering
I have wondered about the 30 super carry. Thanks for the demo. However, given the availability of ammo and performance the 9mm looks pretty good.
The only thing I can find "great" about the new cartridge, beside capacity (especially in a single stack), is the flatter path from barrel to target. Still I'm not going to be shooting it at 50 or 100 yard targets, well maybe on a lark. They said the 40 was flatter, hell of a lot flatter than even 45ACP +P. Still true the 9's have gotten sooooo... much better. I was a 45 constant guy, ended up a 40 constant carry. Still with "church guns" in 38 & *9* 😂
It's worth pointing out that with 9mm Para you can kick up to 9mm+P+ and get energies over 500fpe. Way beyond anything you can get with .30 SC.
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My biggest issue with this caliber isn't with its performance, weapons in the same or its potential; it's the TIMING of its release.
In a time where ammo is harder to find, more expensive and components like primers (for handloaders) extremely cost prohibitive if at all available, my priority is getting ammo to feed my current stock of weaponry.
I feel exactly the same way. 30 Super Carry is a waste of small pistol primers!
Amen! Worst timing in history for the release of a new carry cartridge. I wanna train, and it's hard enough to afford, and/or find 9mm.
Instead of ammo companies wasting time, money, amd materials on 30SC, they should be using every available resource on producing 9mm and all other popular cartridges.
@@Fudmottin 100%!
@@Watchdog_McCoy_5.7x28agree 100%.
They probably wanted to get it out the door with the micro 9 releases. It's unfortunate timing but it would have died on the floor if they had decided to just sit on it until things maybe got better.
I don't often comment, so I just wanna say that I appreciate all the work you put into these, and that the pop tart ad spots are great. Thank you.
Thanks for your work . All things considered I'm sticking to my 9's because back in my day I invested so much money into the ammo . But I'm not hating the 30 supper cary !
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I always enjoy your well thought out reviews and presentations. One characteristic of "obsolete" cartridges like the .30-30, .45 colt and .38 special is that they all have a long and venerable track record in history. Unlike the .30 Super Carry, they are not in search of "catching on" in the market place. They are already deservedly there. Modern powder and bullet design have only made them better. Give me 1873's 45-70 Government any day. I too believe in withholding judgement, but I too instinctively feel that the .30 Super Carry is a solution in search of a problem
There are some countries that limit what a citizen can own by caliber. Many places are restricted to .32 cal max for personal protection. .22lr, .25acp, or .32acp are the only options. Suddenly, the .30SC looks like a magnum. If they could get something that's compliant to local regs, that even comes CLOSE to 9mm power, that's a vast improvement. Just my thoughts.
I'm qualified to carry with a .32 H&R mag, .40S&W, .357mag, and a .44 spl. The 357 is a truck gun so it's on my permit. The other 3 I rotate for personal carry. The 30sc might do better globally than domestically, where we have better caliber choices.
@@DeepOwl1073 Yeah and also 9mm is banned in some countries since its a military cartridge. This likely would be popular in countries like Mexico and Italy, and likely India since anything over .32 in a handgun is banned there.
I completely disagree. I think the most popular firearms in the nation right now are concealed carry firearms. And the consumers of those firearms are constantly asking engineering to provide more magazine capacity, more concealability, and more power than 380. This is exactly what main stream firearm consumers have asked for. And something that is close to 9mm performance while adding 3 extra cartidges to a magazine is nothing to poo on. Really compact single stack 9's may onlt hold 6 or 7 rounds, taking that to 9 or 10 is significant. This is a solution to the problem that engineering cannot cram any more 9mm into a smaller package. And some of us are excited about the innovation.
Realistic, fair, good information!!Everyone has to choose what’s best for them and I appreciate that you always go out of your way to point that out. You’re not trying to tell us what guns or caliber we HAVE to use, but you do always make fair and transparent tests and comparisons, for our information. Very cool- thanks for doing this important work for the community!
Once again, spot on! As always. Thank you.! The other major point is that most gun enthusiasts that buy, shoot or collect handguns, already have several 9mm firearms and most likely own lots of ammo in 9mm... 9mm has a 120 year track record.
I love Paul’s possible outcome for 30 super carry in the future at the end of the video. This whole video was amazing but that was one of my favorite parts! 😂
Thanks Paul for your invaluable time and insight. I didn’t even know that the 30 Supercarry existed until now. Also I want to thank you for your service to our country, not just in the military, but the training you provided in the past and for your current training for us. You are a great American! And it seems people have treated you wrongly for I don’t believe that you speak like William Shatner nor are your explanations boring or tedious. Actually many of us that are not gun savvy depend on your explanations to learn. So keep up the great training and the way you train!😊
I was waiting on this presentation since the cartridge was announced. I was curious to see if the cartridge would perform as advertised. The original Shield in 9mm held 8 rounds in the extended magazine and seven in the flush fit. The Shield Plus in 9mm, which is virtually identical in size, holds 13 in the extended mag and 11 in the flush fit. The .30 SC Shield Plus holds 15 & 13 respectively, that’s Glock 19 capacity in a very concealable gun. Unfortunately today’s performance results are disappointing. I would still like to see Hornady Critical Defense tested out of the gun though. Thanks for another great video Paul.
I think if more ammo manufacturers got involved and tested it, the round could be amazing. I carry 380 and sometimes 32 acp. Paul has done many videos showcasing that those rounds can be effective depending on what ammo you carry. Federal is always garbage with there carry rounds. They're never consistent. Lucky Gunner has done a lot of testing with ballistics gel and with almost ever calibers federal never penetrates the same and expansion doesn't always happen. I don't think it will be a 9mm killer but I think it would be a great carry gun if we could get good ammo for it
Great Video..
I will still stick with my 40 S&W..
@@zachman9000100 Can you recommend a good place to see 32 ACP test results?
I sometimes carry a KelTec 32, but I have it loaded with mediocre FMJ. I've always feared carrying hollow points because of insufficient penetration. (When I bought this P32, RUclips was a fledgling website and ammo testing was all text based on forums, so I felt utterly overwhelmed.)
@@cymond yeah Paul Harrell has a bunch of videos. Just type in 32 acp Paul Harrell. He has done 2 or 3 videos on it
@@cymond Paul recently made a new video on .32 ACP ammo selection. The results were... not impressive. None of the hollow points by any manufacturer showed any significant expansion.
By comparison a number of manufacturers offer .380 ACP ammo that offers decent expansion.
Paul's conclusion was if you want a really compact firearm, get a .25, and if you want a decent defensive round, get a .380. .32 is kind of an awkward, unhappy medium. But if you already have a .32, just buy the cheapest ammo you can find for it.
I really liked 357SIG when it came out; I was certain the Highway Patrol in many states would jump on it. It seems to be on the way out.
The problem with 30 Super Carry is that it needs to compete with 9mm: it's not quite as effective and has the same recoil but it's new so it's more expensive. How many are willing to give up their 9mm and any ammo stockpile for this?
9mm? I'm still using .45 acp 😁. Reality is, I carry 9mm when I need to conceal a handgun and .45 acp when concealment isn't a concern. If I need more than that, I should have brought the rifle anyway. I still think .30 Super Carry would be an interesting round for a lever-action carbine though.
Yep, already have a crap ton of 9mm ammo and just like .357 Sig, this .30SC will be overpriced and harder to find.
I think the biggest drawback to 357sig is similar to the drawback of this stuff, specialized chamber and specialized ammo made for a purpose nobody really asked for. That said, necked pistol ammo has always looked cool if nothing else!
@@beargillium2369 I gave my Springfield XD in 357 SIG to my brother who was experimenting with pistol shooting at 100 yards. The bullet drop on standard pistol calibers at that range can be significant.
@@bigshoe84 At the Scheels in the Dallas area this week (just before Memorial Day) there were 400-500 boxes of 9mm and 8-10 boxes of 30 SC.
Just a shoutout to you Paul for agreeing with a fellow youtube personality that you have disagreed with in the past. Just goes to show that different people have different opinions, and that opinion is based on thier experience, thier training, and ect.
Thanks Paul for a very thorough review. By the way I hunt deer with several calibers and one of them is 30 30 👍👍.
We have a lot of 30-30 down here, the deer are so "small". Even frown on .308, more on 30-06, they'll blow through on a flat side shot. Well you could hand load to get the weight still with energy that it'll be one shot 🤔 shit, never thought of that when I was loading. The range down here to take them is almost always short too, why the energy is not needed. I laughed at a dude carrying a Mini 14, it was one shot for him, so then I laughed at myself 😂 We were running dogs, he wasn't, we were sporting shotguns and two on the line had 30 - 30, one bolt, one lever.
Okay, I had thought about dialing it down, and tried, not for hunting just punching paper, trying a "target load". You just brought it to mind. _Didn't pursue it because the Garand became basically a bolt action too often._ lol often enough that I was just racking the bolt and dropping live rounds sometimes 😂 Point and laugh at me.
Hey, what other calibers do you shoot? Just curious. Don't have to answer. ☺
@@ScrappyXFL 308,30 06 and 260 remington. I live in south central Alabama and our bucks can be anywhere from 140 to well over 200lbs.
Scarcity often equals value among collectors, especially among those that want one of every make/model/variant of a specific manufacturer like S&W. If I thought a new gun/caliber combination would be discontinued after a year or two after limited production, I might buy a couple and leave them unfired in the box until they become collectible.
If Paul Harrell confirms my initial thought on a caliber, it is most like correct. Thank you for talking about this caliber. Always neat to see new calibers but some are just solutions to problems that don't exist.
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No worries. I’m always here for chronograph testing. I try to guess the velocity based on the sound of each shot after the first shot. It’s addictive! 🤣
I, definitely, adore my Marlin 336R .30-30 lever action and my bug (to my G26) is a Taurus Model 85 .38 Spl 2” ported SS snubby. Thanks for teaching us, Mr. Harrell.
Hahaha, “got change for a dime?” Priceless!
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In otherwords, the .30 Super is to long of a round to take the place of the pocket gun .380, and the .30 is just a thinner version of a 9mm. .... .30 a solution looking for a problem...just like the .45 GAP.
Outstanding presentation Paul.
9mm has developed such a broad variety of ammunition that it will be hard to displace as a favorite. And reloads are the key to having enough rds. But we do carry a 22 cal LCP on occasion as it is light, with no spare mag.
Thank you again, for sharing you experienced insight into the world of shooting today.
That's why I have Lazer Disc
The Germans made a good cartridge by making the 9mm and aged very well.
Yeah and the Russians made the 7.62x25 wich is a necked down 9mm to a 30 cal
@BullseyeBenR
Luger invented 7.65x21mm and 7.65x25mm ove4 three decades earlier....
So...not sure what your comment is for.
Georg Luger was Austrian !
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I am more curious to see how many rounds of 30 Super Carry can fit in the same size of a mag as a 9mm 30 round mag than I am for concealed carry options.
2 more in 12 round mags so judging by that and what we know about other calibers in .05 increments it should be 2 no matter what full size 40 compared to full size 9mm or 45 is 2 rounds difference same in compacts maybe in longer mags that difference might be more noticable
I read “up to 20%” more ammunition.
I would figure, with something like a Glock 17's 17 round mag, 20% would be roughly 3.4, so round down to 3, a total of 20 rounds in a 17 size magazine. So a 33 round glock mag would hold about 6.6 more rounds, so either 39 or 40, depending on spring and baseplate.
How accurate this is...
**shrugs**
One of the guns that launched with this caliber had all this marketing attached to it as well. More rounds in the same size.
Turns out in reality they aren't actually the same damn size. So the percentage claim for the same size.... Yeah, your mileage may vary depending on the gun.
Bottom line is to me this caliber is pointless.
.30 Super Carry gets 20-rnd (+3) capacity versus a standard 17-rnd 9mm magazine, and 34-rnd (+4) capacity compared to a 30-rnd 9mm mag.