I think I've seen more of him in this past month or so than I ever had. Wish I had kept up with this guy when I had seen him here and there over the years. And now, he's where a man belongs.
It’s still hard to believe that Paul is no longer with us. We truly lost a great man, and firearms genius. I’m honored to have been a subscriber to his channel since the beginning, and I will continue to enjoy Paul and his infinite wisdom. Paul was definitely the Godfather of firearms. Rest Easy to the late great Paul Harrell. 🙏🏽🙏🏽
Yes we did I love watching his videos anytime I get a little high on my horse about gun knowledge we truly lost a great man but thank goodness for RUclips in this sitch now many more people are going to be able to learn from this gooden 😢
Had a great thought how about twenty years from now when wokeism is long gone the people will be asking why on earth does this guy use all the crazy extra speak
I've been shooting for 51 years and 'know it all' especially about old school guns & ammo. Then you come along and teach me something new. Cut it out already, my brain is too full as it is! Paul, thanks for keeping it fresh every video. Thanks from a 73 y/o shooter. 🧡👍
@Henry Murphy Thanks for the reply. I didn’t know that 38 Super is even higher MAP allowance than 357 Magnum but isn’t that the way things go? Someone wants similar velocities out of a smaller cartridge and the result is even higher pressures.
@Henry Murphy Damn, big difference over the .38 Special. Had no idea there was that much of a difference. Most revolvers can handle much higher pressures than the ammo they were designed to shoot... but that don't mean people should chance it. I had an x-brother in law shave down .357 magnum rounds to fit in his .38 revolver. I assume it was a .38 Special revolver, but he had to shave the .357 mags all the way down to the case to get them to fit... and if it was a .38 Special revolver, then they likely would have fit without having to be shaved down that far... so I'm not 100% certain on the real caliber. (It didn't say the caliber on the revolver itself). Would have loved to see the POS try to shoot it with those rounds in it though.
This is a good visualization of why "stacked tolerances" are important. if a manufacturers chamber is on the high end of the tolerance scale and the ammo is on the low end of the tolerance scale the overlap will allow this to "work"
@@BeingFireRetardant yep. Thousandths matter!!!! An example of this is the Knights Armament SR-15 rifle and why it is so much better than ANY of its’ competitors. They just work and tolerances matter significantly when it comes to firearms.
Another masterpiece from the real expert. Timely content too. A friend of mine just got a whole case of 38 super for free. He has a Ruger GP100 357. His friend told him “it will work.” I will share this with my friend and he “can be the judge”. Thanks Paul
The only problem I could see with firing .38 super in .357, is the hammer striking too deep in the .38 super primer, which would cause it to potentially burn out the back of the case. This seems unlikely though. GP 100, L frames and N frames are very strong revolvers so they should have zero problems with .38 operating pressures.
The light primer strike may have been caused by the fact that the rim on the 38 Super should be about 0.009" thinner than the rim on the .357 Magnum according to SAAMI specifications.
.38 Super rim thickness: 0.050 .357mag rim thickness: 0.060 With .010 inches set-back, it's conceivable that you might get a light primer strike, if all the other tolerance stacks end up being very unfavorable.
There’s lots of honesty and truth out there but you need to know where to look. The biased google government with their ridiculous community standards make it very difficult to find because they have taken it upon themselves to decide for us what they believe we should and should not see and hear. 🤦🏻♂️
This is objectively untrue and hero worship. There are plenty of honest, wholesome and knowledgeable people making content on RUclips. I love Paul but he’s not the last good guy on earth.
@@randomfist797 Think they're just giving him props for being a solid guy. We live in strange times. Perhaps a some somewhat tedious, and maybe a little pedantic, diatribe on random specifics is exactly the sort of reliability we need... Paul is the anti-hype guntuber. And it's refreshing in a sea of product and tactics videos. Maybe the best part is his solid use of reason as his favorite weapon.
Paul, I know you’re gone but thank you for everything you’ve done to teach us. You went to extreme lengths for people you’ve never met and we appreciate you now that you’ve passed more than we ever knew
Who else in the world does this much testing on such an esoteric question. Damn interesting and even more thorough than usual and that is saying something. There is no one else like PH. He is blazing the trail for us.
No wonder. I AM an engineer and while being a student I hated lectures with pure theory and loved ones where practical application of all those formulas was explained.
Paul is probably the only person on the internet who I can watch the tedious process of trying to load multiple different revolvers with unintended ammo, and actually be entertained.
Something I have learned with my .32 H&R magnum revolver, which accepts .32H&R, .32 Smith and wesson Long, Regular 32 S&W, and .32 short; is that shooting a revolver with a much shorter cartridge than it is designed for tends to create a LOT of fouling behind the small ridge inside the cylinder that the case mouth rests on. This effect is GREATLY increased if you are shooting non jacketed lead bullets. After a few cycles of shorter rounds the longer ones may no longer fit due to fouling build up. Whatever reason you want to shoot the shorter bullets for, in my opinion, is not worth the hassle of the extra cleaning unless as you stated the world has ended and I'm fighting raiders dressed in bondage gear.
It's very useful to have "Swiss Army" guns when you happen upon a store or gunshow vendor blowing out, say, ancient .32 Short or unpopular .32 Magnum for 5 cents a round and you can shoot it in your .327. I once bought 1,000 rounds of .45 Schofield for 20 bucks and use it for range days with my .45/410 Judge.
@@quinnmclaughlin7537 I miraculously acquired an LCR .327 about three months ago, following 350 rounds of assorted .327 and 32 H&R Mag without one issue, it's now my EDC. BTW, I was gifted approximately 700 rounds of 32 S&W Long and they are fun, accurate round too!
I believe thats called the Darwin effect. Just in case its not generally assumed... if you use a hammer to load force load your revolver just know that you are doing it wrong. ~ not a gun expert
Thank you Sir for the video demonstration. I enjoy learning and obtaining more gun knowledge. I feel that at 67 I still can learn a lot from good people like you. Again thank you Sir and your crew.
It’s funny, the Sportsman’s Warehouse near me always has enough 38 Super ammo to justify owning one, yet trying to track down a 38 Super Pistol is akin to finding Paul in the woods, can be done, but requires a lot of work
What do you mean requires a lot of work? I heard Paul was easy to track in the woods. In fact someone even used the exact phrase "we tracked him easy" lol
"Battling against a bunch of guys with mohawks and shoulder pads..." Oh, I got a good laugh out of that one. The line delivery and context are just flawless in these videos.
@@theglobalistchannel1471 Criminals care a whole lot less about being locked up for 10 or more years. That could be 25+ if you actually _kill_ someone with your illegally-owned firearm, even a burglar _in your own home,_ who needless to say has *_no_* right to be there!
@@pulaski1 This is gonna sound dark but, you can't get charged if they can't find the body 🤷♂️ I came from a zone with cartel so that's pretty much how things run lol. Since you can't own guns, you can grab formaldehyde into a spray gun. You made a chemical weapon. When you spray that, anywhere on the skin, it makes you in complete pain for 20 mins.
@@theglobalistchannel1471 Yeah, that's dark alright. If you live in a relatively safe country and have a good job, a family, and nice things, like a house and car, then it doesn't make any sense to do something such as owning a gun when it is not legal to do so, and put your entire life at risk just for an illegal weapon. Another problem is that when guns are illegal, the sound of a gun firing will bring the police very quickly, so you might only have minutes to conceal the body, clean up the blood, and repair any damage caused by bullets. ... In short, it's not possible!
As usual, the best of the best on YT-- Paul is the best at what he does. He's a marksman and a great teacher. Those are my words, but you be the judge.
6:58 im not a revolver fan but a friend of mine had a S&W model 638 38 special and that gun was a tac driver i loved it even being snub nose i could hit nickles with it at like 25-30 feet it was super accurate! great video brother
As someone who likes to consider entirely too many "what if" scenarios you gave me another solid reason to favor a .357 magnum revolver even if .38 special would be its regular diet. Thank you for being great at what you do!
That's my go to EDC solution, although my reasoning has more to do with my aging hands and wrists and recoil and the fact I've been shooting revolvers throughout the last 40 years much more than my 1911s. 🙂
I LOVE your “tedious” explanations, please keep it up, I watch your content specifically to get the FULL story and for your expertise with firearms. Thank you Paul.
Another good lesson proving whether your ammunition markings are the exact same as those on your barrel, you still need to test every round you place in your firearm and make sure it functions and performs correctly.
I'm a .357 owner I've never seen anyone test this and give good evidence on whether or not it's safe to shoot .38super. Was told by a guy at the gun store it was safe. Did some research and it wasn't so cut and dry. Thanks paul for the real info and evidence.
Years ago when I was reloading, I would load really nice Sierra 115gr. 9mm JHP bullets into .38 Spl. rounds. .355 v. .357. diameters. I figured if it was good enough for Lee Jurras it was good enough for me. Result: Good accuracy, speedier bullets, reduced pressures. Worked for me -- YMMV. Thanks for an informative video.
Since bullets are typically sized about 8 thousandths larger than the minor diameter of the barrel, I would expect .355" bullets to work in .357" barrels more often than not.
Paul’s ability to (apparently) extemporaneously rattle off those numbers, and go long stretches without a single “um” or “er” impresses me, every time.
I hate it when someone is trying to teach me something and they say "um" every sentence, it makes me think that they don't know what they are talking about!
Even as a US Marine (no longer in service) I still love learning things and this channel has to be one of the greatest explanative channels I've ever seen that truly wants to just give you information, and not just a textbook read along based style but from user experience as well as trial and error. Thank you so much for everything you've taught me Paul Harrell. Never stop being you!
I’m still driving a truck for a living and there is nothing quite as refreshing as enjoying a PH video with vast instruction, gunfire, birds chirping, gunfire, cows mooing, and more gunfire while parked on break. Thanks Paul!!
I actually love your dawn of time explanations, and scientific method of answering questions. Things like trying multiple brands of ammo, with multiple brands and models of revolver. Sometimes there isn't a strait answer, it's not black and white, or yes/no, and you go into detail as to why that is.... this is what I love about your videos! That does come with the caveat of the fact that I am probably weird, and that the opinions of others can and will more than likely differ from my own.
This was one of the most enlightening videos I’ve watched in a while. I didn’t expect the outcome achieved. It’s good to know what your weapon can do just in case you need those capabilities.
Goes to show that if a presenter is passionate about something and is also knowledgeable about the subject beyond the basic points, the audience will be hooked to the end. As always a masterpiece by PH
I have done this experiment with 32 acp in 32 H&R mag and 327 federal magnum revolvers with no chambering issues but in all 5 guns certain chambers would have soft primer strikes resulting in failure to fire. Also none of the guns would eject the cases. So concluded that why do it ,unreliable and hard to remove cases plus no power advantage, if I wanted a easier shooting round I would use 32 long ammo. Totally agree with Paul. Thanks for another great video.
What an amazing degree of effort this man exerts to answer these types of simple questions. The amount of detail is truly extraordinary. The MOST impressive segment of the presentation was when Paul demonstrated whether or not the different types of ammo would fit into the different types of revolvers WITHOUT getting confused about any of it. Well done, Sir!
Another factor to consider before anyone goes popping off any .38 Super in a .38 SPL cylinder is this: most modern .38 Super ammo is loaded to "PLUS P" pressures! Tolerances aside, the 9X19, .40 S&W/10mm, and .38 Super all have nominally the same rim dimensions, so it turns out that the 9X19 is "rimless", the .40/10 are also "rimless" due to a body taper characteristic, and the .38 Super is a "semi-rim". The same shellholder/shellplate is used for all three. The differences between the 9X19 and the .38 Super are that while they are very close to the same diameter at the mouth, the 9mm has more body taper where the .38 Super has very minimal taper, and the .38 Super case is slightly longer. The .40/10 end up being "rimless" because their body diameter just ahead of the rim is very close to the tapered 9mm, but being a straighter case, their mouth ends up being the right size to hold that .401" bullet. Also, that rim is much thinner than the .38Spl/357Mag rim, which can cause misfires due to the excess headspace presented.
27:30 The hornets' nest analogy had me literally LMFAO I agree 100%, Paul And for some tangential comedic relief to this post, one time I had had a couple of brews and decided to see if some ground hornets would enjoy a beer as much as I do so I poured a beer into the hole in the ground leading to their nest...several stings and a couple of cans of wasp spray later I came to the painful realization that just because you CAN do a thing doesn't mean you SHOULD do that thing...
You know, I’ve learned a little bit from Paul here over the time I’ve watched his channel. I may not always be on point watching videos daily, but I always get a little excitement when I see older videos come up in recommendation! As always, good content.
An excellent presentation on a question that I hadn't even pondered before. I never would've guessed that 38 Super would even chamber in a revolver, let alone eject properly (depending upon the type and the gun, of course). That change in shooting stance got a good laugh out of me, and the comprehensiveness that these videos strive for is always impressive. Keep up the fantastic work, Paul and crew!
Paul, your doing GODs work and man I wouldn’t even call it work if you love what your doing! Keep up the videos and educational information. The practical application you provide is phenomenal!
I've been shooting guns for over 52 years. It never dawned on me to even try stuffing .38 Super into a .38 Special or .357 Magnum. And now I don't have to try it.
I guess it's good to know that, in a pinch, if one HAD to use .38 Super in a .357 Magnum, that it would be possible and safe, with little or no effect on accuracy, depending upon gun and ammo combinations as stated, but it's not something that one should make a habit of. Thanks for the tip, Paul...
Yeah. Exactly. After seeing Paul do this, any other situation where trying it would be worth considering would already count as a very bad day, week, year, decade, etc.
About ten or so years ago I had to test fire a gun that someone was arrested with. It was a cheap RG 38 revolver loaded with 38 Super ammo (I don't remember the brand) We put the gun in a vise, tied a string to it's trigger and got behind a ballistic shield and to my amazement, the gun didn't blow up. It fired with no problem. I don't think I would ever consider shooting it in my hands, but it did work that one time.
@@rogerwilco99 That's exactly why we have proof loads, which any responsible manufacturer uses to establish a good safety margin. From what I can find it looks like the hottest .38 Special proofs are 29.5K PSI, which could be rather a problem since .38 Super Auto is specified at 36.5K PSI standard, to say nothing of proofing loads. Sounds like it's going to depend heavily on just how much more overbuilding a manufacturer is willing to do above and beyond the already generous margin built in to proofing.
You really do a fantastic job at keeping things simple for your audience of new shooters to understand and at the same time interesting for the more experienced of us. It’s the hallmark of a great teacher. Thanks Paul!
Thanks Paul, this answers a question that I had and in particular for my S&W Mod 19 2.5 inch bbl. While I reload, components are still difficult to come by. Commercial loads for defense are really brutal for a revolver originally designed to handle 38 spec and for my ears if i need to use it while the attacker declines to allow me put on my ear pro. 38 sup seems to be a good compromise between 357 and 38 spec +P. Wished you had checked speed loaders too, but I can do that at my local power parlor. I miss the Pop Tarts also. Maybe "Lucky Charms for the man short on skills."
I've following your channel for years Paul and have to say this presentation is one of your best work. 2nd post as I'm checking why my posts are not showing up in RUclips comments.
Literally had this the other day at work. A novice gun owner came in looking for .38 special ammo. All we had was some more expensive critical defense. The saw the cheaper box of 38 super and grabbed it up. I had to break it to them that it was the wrong ammo.
This very issue is one of the reasons why ammo is sold behind the counter in my state too many injuries from lack of knowledge (which is different from stupidity).
Thank you Paul, this is so fascinating to me; how you did everything possible to make sure what the results were. I ran into something with the 32 auto, some were fire in my revolver and some did not. Cool job my friend.
I’m surprised you didn’t review the SAAMI specs with regards to the pressure differences between the 3 cartridges. 38 super being 36,500 psi verses 38 special, (standard), being 17,000 psi. Even the father of the 38 Super, the 38 automatic pressures exceed the 38 special +P, but that another video…
SAAMI specs also tell that 38 Super casings are .384 in diameter with up to -.006 tolerance (.378 in at lowest), and .357 Magnum chamber is .3809 in diameter with up to +.004 tolerance (.3849 in at highest), which explains why only some cartridges fit in some guns. With enough tolerances going around it is no wonder that they fit, and the pressure difference is practically nothing since they are still tested at 30% above standard, and there are always some variation in pressures due to measuring tolerances of the powder.
@@matthewbeaver5026 the maximum pressure for the 357 mag is considerably higher than the 38 Super. However, it’s never a good idea to fire cartridges in a firearm they were not made for. I have not yet been able to confirm this but many years ago I spoke to a Dallas cop who worked there in 1963. They said at least one of the rounds of ammo Lee Oswald had in his 38 special revolver when he shot Officer Tibbet, was a 38 Super…
In the late 70's, early 80', many police and private security entities alowed/required the private purchase of their carry revolver but forbade the use of .357mag ammo for carry. Those with. 357mag revolvers wanting more power than .38+P would use .38super. Massad Ayoob mentioned the same option. As per the misfire, only that cartridge knows for sure but the .38super not only has a smaller rim in DIAMETER but ALSO in THICKNESS. Having a THINNER rim puts the primer a wee bit farther away from the firing pin, which may have caused the misfire.
Yes indeed, this gap between primer and a revolver's recoil shield is called "headspace," and excessive headspace can cause a "light strike" or even a "no strike." The tolerances necessary to get a positive primer strike that is neither too deep nor too shallow, are once again a matter of thousandths of an inch. This entire video is full of great examples of gun and ammo tolerances in design, manufacture (and wear matters, too!). "Tolerance stacking" of one variation atop the next, atop the next...at some point, malfunctions will arise.
For the uninformed, a sheet of paper is about .003 of an inch. When he says a variation of .001 of an inch, keep in mind that it's .001 around the whole thing, meaning it's more like .0005 (per side)
“Just because you can put it in there, should you?” True for so many things in life.
LOL
Well it fits dammit !!! 😳
@@firestorm8471 its always going to fit .bit will stretch a mile before it rips a inch
Stretch is good,,,,,,very, very good..😎
@@firestorm8471 10lb people come out of that hole . Your 6 0z weiner isn't going to stretch anything
I can't believe you're gone. Thank you for everything.
Ikr, I’ll miss him so much.. I’ve learned so much from his knowledge of firearms
I think I've seen more of him in this past month or so than I ever had. Wish I had kept up with this guy when I had seen him here and there over the years. And now, he's where a man belongs.
We love you Paul, get well Sir!!
It’s still hard to believe that Paul is no longer with us. We truly lost a great man, and firearms genius. I’m honored to have been a subscriber to his channel since the beginning, and I will continue to enjoy Paul and his infinite wisdom. Paul was definitely the Godfather of firearms. Rest Easy to the late great Paul Harrell. 🙏🏽🙏🏽
Yes we did I love watching his videos anytime I get a little high on my horse about gun knowledge we truly lost a great man but thank goodness for RUclips in this sitch now many more people are going to be able to learn from this gooden 😢
Had a great thought how about twenty years from now when wokeism is long gone the people will be asking why on earth does this guy use all the crazy extra speak
Mr. Harrell is a national treasure.
This question never crossed my mind but I happily spent 28.5 minutes listening to the answer. Well done as usual. Thank you for all your content.
Seriously. I don't own a .38 Special or a .357, and I seriously doubt I will ever buy a .38 Super. Yet I find this extremely interesting anyway.
Suddenly my 357 mag cut for moon clips can shoot 4 calibers!!! 357 mag, 38 special, 380acp, and 38 super!!!! Thanks Paul! 👍😉
@@texas66 And .38 Largo. And 9×21? 9×23 Winchester?
Time flys. Especially it's about wheelguns
My favorite Paul videos are like this one, where he gets super autisty. :)
I've been shooting for 51 years and 'know it all' especially about old school guns & ammo. Then you come along and teach me something new. Cut it out already, my brain is too full as it is! Paul, thanks for keeping it fresh every video. Thanks from a 73 y/o shooter. 🧡👍
@Henry Murphy Thanks for the reply. I didn’t know that 38 Super is even higher MAP allowance than 357 Magnum but isn’t that the way things go? Someone wants similar velocities out of a smaller cartridge and the result is even higher pressures.
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@@johnwaddell4107 what???
@Henry Murphy just curious, how can the 38 super have higher pressure than the 357, but be 200 fps slower?
@Henry Murphy Damn, big difference over the .38 Special. Had no idea there was that much of a difference. Most revolvers can handle much higher pressures than the ammo they were designed to shoot... but that don't mean people should chance it. I had an x-brother in law shave down .357 magnum rounds to fit in his .38 revolver. I assume it was a .38 Special revolver, but he had to shave the .357 mags all the way down to the case to get them to fit... and if it was a .38 Special revolver, then they likely would have fit without having to be shaved down that far... so I'm not 100% certain on the real caliber. (It didn't say the caliber on the revolver itself). Would have loved to see the POS try to shoot it with those rounds in it though.
Rest in peace Paul ! Thank you for all the info you have given us over the years.
God Bless Paul Harrell. I love this guy and always will, he is just the best.
Can we appreciate how the entire loading/unloading segment was continuous and uninterrupted? Paul is a master presenter.
Definitely no Yankee Marshall. lol.
This is a good visualization of why "stacked tolerances" are important.
if a manufacturers chamber is on the high end of the tolerance scale and the ammo is on the low end of the tolerance scale the overlap will allow this to "work"
As someone who's given years to the factory, I can agree 100%. Thousandths matter...
Exactly. Good comment.
@@BeingFireRetardant yep. Thousandths matter!!!! An example of this is the Knights Armament SR-15 rifle and why it is so much better than ANY of its’ competitors. They just work and tolerances matter significantly when it comes to firearms.
@@DaveL9170 Yes. Because we're talking about "gunpowder", I concur that thousandths matter.
. 38 super falls into my 1911 perfectly.
Another masterpiece from the real expert. Timely content too. A friend of mine just got a whole case of 38 super for free. He has a Ruger GP100 357. His friend told him “it will work.” I will share this with my friend and he “can be the judge”.
Thanks Paul
The only problem I could see with firing .38 super in .357, is the hammer striking too deep in the .38 super primer, which would cause it to potentially burn out the back of the case. This seems unlikely though. GP 100, L frames and N frames are very strong revolvers so they should have zero problems with .38 operating pressures.
If I got a case of .38 Super Auto ammo free, I'd be out looking to buy a .38 Super Auto pistol to go with it.
@@gregb6469 No shit, a Rock Island arsenal 1911 in .38 super is $475. I looked it up and saw cases of the ammo going for $475 at minimum.
Good excuse to buy a .38 super government model!
Love my gp100, built like a freaking tank. I know that's been said thousands of times but it's true
The light primer strike may have been caused by the fact that the rim on the 38 Super should be about 0.009" thinner than the rim on the .357 Magnum according to SAAMI specifications.
Exactly.. came here to mention that.
Use a rem 7 1/2 small rifle BR primer and they won't let you down.
.38 Super rim thickness: 0.050
.357mag rim thickness: 0.060
With .010 inches set-back, it's conceivable that you might get a light primer strike, if all the other tolerance stacks end up being very unfavorable.
Did not expect this to be so fascinating but damn straight I was hooked when the testing of various ammo against various cylinders started!
@StringerNews1 hah, yes indeed! 👍😁👍
2 of the most information dense RUclips content creators in 1 video...
Same, I don't particularly care about lift systems, but I still watch your videos about them, as its very interesting :)
Surprised to see you here man
Ah, red leader checking in on this channel today too. Are ya out of Scotch Deviant? Also, may I suggest Glenmorangie Nectar d'oR?
This is the best “gun-tuber” channel ever. So accurate and so informative. Not just guys shooting cool guns.
The only honest content left on RUclips. Regardless of subject matter. Thank you sir.
Sincere, thorough, informative. It is hard to find channels like this anymore.
There’s lots of honesty and truth out there but you need to know where to look. The biased google government with their ridiculous community standards make it very difficult to find because they have taken it upon themselves to decide for us what they believe we should and should not see and hear. 🤦🏻♂️
This is objectively untrue and hero worship. There are plenty of honest, wholesome and knowledgeable people making content on RUclips. I love Paul but he’s not the last good guy on earth.
@@randomfist797
Think they're just giving him props for being a solid guy.
We live in strange times. Perhaps a some somewhat tedious, and maybe a little pedantic, diatribe on random specifics is exactly the sort of reliability we need...
Paul is the anti-hype guntuber. And it's refreshing in a sea of product and tactics videos. Maybe the best part is his solid use of reason as his favorite weapon.
I have a channel about scalping and scapling activities
I’ve been shooting for 52+ years. I learned something new today. Great presentation.
Am I the only one who appreciates Paul picking the correct cartridge out of his pocket by feel at 4:26 ?
The man is a true Pro
As soon as I saw him do it I was impressed, typical Paul
Paul, I know you’re gone but thank you for everything you’ve done to teach us. You went to extreme lengths for people you’ve never met and we appreciate you now that you’ve passed more than we ever knew
Who else in the world does this much testing on such an esoteric question. Damn interesting and even more thorough than usual and that is saying something. There is no one else like PH. He is blazing the trail for us.
If all my teachers in high school explained with detail and backstories I'd be a engineer
Engineers never explain much, even in engineering school… which is why i hated engineering school
More likely a writer
I would have retained a lot more knowledge.
No kidding!!! Too bad we can’t clone Paul and replace 98% of the teachers and professors in the country
No wonder. I AM an engineer and while being a student I hated lectures with pure theory and loved ones where practical application of all those formulas was explained.
Hope you’re doing well Paul. Thank you for the upload!
That .357 mag echo across the next ridge was a beautiful thing..
Paul is probably the only person on the internet who I can watch the tedious process of trying to load multiple different revolvers with unintended ammo, and actually be entertained.
He is a true professional and fantastic instructor who holds your attention.
This needed addressed and Paul handled it articulately like the pro he is.
A revolver episode, heck yeah! Good stuff Paul, thanks for the upload!
Just got off of work and opened a beer. Then suddenly find a shiny new Paul Harrell episode?! What a great day.
Yessir
I knew I was missing something!
ditto !
Tis
People keep asking me if I regret buying a S&W .357. After all, it was "pretty expensive". I say "no, it can shoot 2.5 different calibers"!
4.5 different cartridges. 38 colt, and 38 long colt.
@@stevenmike1878 , even 5.5 "different" calibers, if we count .38 SPL+P separately :-))
@@d.mangham5204 damn that’s true nice
@@d.mangham5204 +p+ perhaps?
@@andrewsavage1872, right! The old Treasury Load was a 110g +P+ 👍🏻
Still watching, still learning. Thank you Paul.
Something I have learned with my .32 H&R magnum revolver, which accepts .32H&R, .32 Smith and wesson Long, Regular 32 S&W, and .32 short; is that shooting a revolver with a much shorter cartridge than it is designed for tends to create a LOT of fouling behind the small ridge inside the cylinder that the case mouth rests on. This effect is GREATLY increased if you are shooting non jacketed lead bullets. After a few cycles of shorter rounds the longer ones may no longer fit due to fouling build up.
Whatever reason you want to shoot the shorter bullets for, in my opinion, is not worth the hassle of the extra cleaning unless as you stated the world has ended and I'm fighting raiders dressed in bondage gear.
It's very useful to have "Swiss Army" guns when you happen upon a store or gunshow vendor blowing out, say, ancient .32 Short or unpopular .32 Magnum for 5 cents a round and you can shoot it in your .327. I once bought 1,000 rounds of .45 Schofield for 20 bucks and use it for range days with my .45/410 Judge.
This is why I'm interested in a .327 LCR(X), but the guns themselves are impossible to find in stores
@@quinnmclaughlin7537 I miraculously acquired an LCR .327 about three months ago, following 350 rounds of assorted .327 and 32 H&R Mag without one issue, it's now my EDC. BTW, I was gifted approximately 700 rounds of 32 S&W Long and they are fun, accurate round too!
Raiders dressed in Bondage gear nice hahaha! Sounds like mad max!
The .32 Magnum can also shoot .32 acp but with less accuracy.
The "Don't Do This" warning might have been at the start before the "experts" started using a rubber mallet to pound .38 supers into their 38's.
I believe thats called the Darwin effect.
Just in case its not generally assumed... if you use a hammer to load force load your revolver just know that you are doing it wrong.
~ not a gun expert
Wait I can do that? Brb
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She’ll run
@@jatpack3 You know someone is going to do it.
Thank you Sir for the video demonstration. I enjoy learning and obtaining more gun knowledge. I feel that at 67 I still can learn a lot from good people like you. Again thank you Sir and your crew.
It’s funny, the Sportsman’s Warehouse near me always has enough 38 Super ammo to justify owning one, yet trying to track down a 38 Super Pistol is akin to finding Paul in the woods, can be done, but requires a lot of work
What do you mean requires a lot of work? I heard Paul was easy to track in the woods. In fact someone even used the exact phrase "we tracked him easy" lol
Paul is very easy to find in the woods if you're a deer.
Unless you track him easy.
Deep cuts...
During the great ammo shortage on 2020-2021 I could find tons of 6mm ARC and 6.8 Western ammo on the selves because nobody had a gun that shot those.
Amazing presentation as always
"Battling against a bunch of guys with mohawks and shoulder pads..." Oh, I got a good laugh out of that one. The line delivery and context are just flawless in these videos.
I'm from a country where it's near on impossible to own guns but I still love these videos, your in depth analysis of things is very good.
How do criminals get it then? You can get it the SAME way lol
@@theglobalistchannel1471 Criminals care a whole lot less about being locked up for 10 or more years. That could be 25+ if you actually _kill_ someone with your illegally-owned firearm, even a burglar _in your own home,_ who needless to say has *_no_* right to be there!
@@pulaski1 This is gonna sound dark but, you can't get charged if they can't find the body 🤷♂️
I came from a zone with cartel so that's pretty much how things run lol.
Since you can't own guns, you can grab formaldehyde into a spray gun. You made a chemical weapon. When you spray that, anywhere on the skin, it makes you in complete pain for 20 mins.
@@theglobalistchannel1471 Yeah, that's dark alright. If you live in a relatively safe country and have a good job, a family, and nice things, like a house and car, then it doesn't make any sense to do something such as owning a gun when it is not legal to do so, and put your entire life at risk just for an illegal weapon.
Another problem is that when guns are illegal, the sound of a gun firing will bring the police very quickly, so you might only have minutes to conceal the body, clean up the blood, and repair any damage caused by bullets. ... In short, it's not possible!
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As usual, the best of the best on YT-- Paul is the best at what he does. He's a marksman and a great teacher. Those are my words, but you be the judge.
6:58 im not a revolver fan but a friend of mine had a S&W model 638 38 special and that gun was a tac driver i loved it even being snub nose i could hit nickles with it at like 25-30 feet it was super accurate! great video brother
Always learning something, when watching your videos, thank you.
This man is a great American legend. Period. We love you Paul!
As someone who likes to consider entirely too many "what if" scenarios you gave me another solid reason to favor a .357 magnum revolver even if .38 special would be its regular diet. Thank you for being great at what you do!
Unless you are going for a super light CCW revolver, there is really no downside to having it chambered in .357.
Paul Harrell is a national treasure, as well as ten thousand more like individuals in the country. We can't let our culture die.
357 is not that fun to shoot out of a snubby in my opinion. Stings my hands quite a bit
That's my go to EDC solution, although my reasoning has more to do with my aging hands and wrists and recoil and the fact I've been shooting revolvers throughout the last 40 years much more than my 1911s. 🙂
@@DannLikesFans yup, but the muzzle flash is impressive 🤣🤣👍
I LOVE your “tedious” explanations, please keep it up, I watch your content specifically to get the FULL story and for your expertise with firearms. Thank you Paul.
Another good lesson proving whether your ammunition markings are the exact same as those on your barrel, you still need to test every round you place in your firearm and make sure it functions and performs correctly.
I'm a .357 owner I've never seen anyone test this and give good evidence on whether or not it's safe to shoot .38super. Was told by a guy at the gun store it was safe. Did some research and it wasn't so cut and dry. Thanks paul for the real info and evidence.
Almost half an hour video that feels like 10 min or less. He was a real didactic teacher.
Rest in peace Paul.
Years ago when I was reloading, I would load really nice Sierra 115gr. 9mm JHP bullets into .38 Spl. rounds. .355 v. .357. diameters. I figured if it was good enough for Lee Jurras it was good enough for me. Result: Good accuracy, speedier bullets, reduced pressures. Worked for me -- YMMV. Thanks for an informative video.
Very interesting! Some .357 mag revolvers (like the taurus 692) also let you use 9mm ammo with a cylinder swap.
Since bullets are typically sized about 8 thousandths larger than the minor diameter of the barrel, I would expect .355" bullets to work in .357" barrels more often than not.
Paul’s ability to (apparently) extemporaneously rattle off those numbers, and go long stretches without a single “um” or “er” impresses me, every time.
I hate it when someone is trying to teach me something and they say "um" every sentence, it makes me think that they don't know what they are talking about!
the mark of a true orator
Even as a US Marine (no longer in service) I still love learning things and this channel has to be one of the greatest explanative channels I've ever seen that truly wants to just give you information, and not just a textbook read along based style but from user experience as well as trial and error.
Thank you so much for everything you've taught me Paul Harrell. Never stop being you!
Great video! Thanks Paul!
I’m still driving a truck for a living and there is nothing quite as refreshing as enjoying a PH video with vast instruction, gunfire, birds chirping, gunfire, cows mooing, and more gunfire while parked on break. Thanks Paul!!
I actually love your dawn of time explanations, and scientific method of answering questions. Things like trying multiple brands of ammo, with multiple brands and models of revolver. Sometimes there isn't a strait answer, it's not black and white, or yes/no, and you go into detail as to why that is.... this is what I love about your videos! That does come with the caveat of the fact that I am probably weird, and that the opinions of others can and will more than likely differ from my own.
Perfect thing to watch after a long nine hour shift in a mechanic shop, please keep making great videos
Easy work. Spent 20 years doing it. Min 12 hour days.
Get a real hard job. Be a gender studies Professor.
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This was one of the most enlightening videos I’ve watched in a while. I didn’t expect the outcome achieved. It’s good to know what your weapon can do just in case you need those capabilities.
I believe that this gentleman should be given a 1 million viewer award for such a Crisp and thorough presentation. Great job sir.
Goes to show that if a presenter is passionate about something and is also knowledgeable about the subject beyond the basic points, the audience will be hooked to the end. As always a masterpiece by PH
I have done this experiment with 32 acp in 32 H&R mag and 327 federal magnum revolvers with no chambering issues but in all 5 guns certain chambers would have soft primer strikes resulting in failure to fire. Also none of the guns would eject the cases. So concluded that why do it ,unreliable and hard to remove cases plus no power advantage, if I wanted a easier shooting round I would use 32 long ammo. Totally agree with Paul. Thanks for another great video.
What an amazing degree of effort this man exerts to answer these types of simple questions. The amount of detail is truly extraordinary. The MOST impressive segment of the presentation was when Paul demonstrated whether or not the different types of ammo would fit into the different types of revolvers WITHOUT getting confused about any of it. Well done, Sir!
Another factor to consider before anyone goes popping off any .38 Super in a .38 SPL cylinder is this: most modern .38 Super ammo is loaded to "PLUS P" pressures!
Tolerances aside, the 9X19, .40 S&W/10mm, and .38 Super all have nominally the same rim dimensions, so it turns out that the 9X19 is "rimless", the .40/10 are also "rimless" due to a body taper characteristic, and the .38 Super is a "semi-rim". The same shellholder/shellplate is used for all three. The differences between the 9X19 and the .38 Super are that while they are very close to the same diameter at the mouth, the 9mm has more body taper where the .38 Super has very minimal taper, and the .38 Super case is slightly longer. The .40/10 end up being "rimless" because their body diameter just ahead of the rim is very close to the tapered 9mm, but being a straighter case, their mouth ends up being the right size to hold that .401" bullet. Also, that rim is much thinner than the .38Spl/357Mag rim, which can cause misfires due to the excess headspace presented.
Nice little cabin there, Paul. Glad to see the spread coming along. Also- thanks for answering questions I didn't know I had!
This has to be the most Paul video I've seen to date. Keep up the good work.
27:30 The hornets' nest analogy had me literally LMFAO I agree 100%, Paul
And for some tangential comedic relief to this post, one time I had had a couple of brews and decided to see if some ground hornets would enjoy a beer as much as I do so I poured a beer into the hole in the ground leading to their nest...several stings and a couple of cans of wasp spray later I came to the painful realization that just because you CAN do a thing doesn't mean you SHOULD do that thing...
Yep... words to live by, for sure.
Yep same goes for my ex girlfriend learned that the hard way just because you can doesn't mean you should LOL
@@budgetbuyoutmisc.4916 same...several times over, in fact...lmao
Hold my beer and watch this !!!
You know, I’ve learned a little bit from Paul here over the time I’ve watched his channel. I may not always be on point watching videos daily, but I always get a little excitement when I see older videos come up in recommendation!
As always, good content.
"Just because you can put it in there, should you?"... A question I am sure many of us have asked ourselves at one time or another.
PEEPEE JOKE HAHA
If it don't belong in there I can assure you, that question has never crossed my mind.
Any man who's been around the block certainly has!
This right here was the type of video I love coming here for
Thanks again for the education. Cheers
You know it's a good video when even the "tedious" parts are interesting.
An excellent presentation on a question that I hadn't even pondered before. I never would've guessed that 38 Super would even chamber in a revolver, let alone eject properly (depending upon the type and the gun, of course). That change in shooting stance got a good laugh out of me, and the comprehensiveness that these videos strive for is always impressive. Keep up the fantastic work, Paul and crew!
Paul, your doing GODs work and man I wouldn’t even call it work if you love what your doing! Keep up the videos and educational information. The practical application you provide is phenomenal!
Very interesting, thank you Paul Harrell and team
Damn I miss this guys videos man so much freakin knowledge
I've been shooting guns for over 52 years. It never dawned on me to even try stuffing .38 Super into a .38 Special or .357 Magnum. And now I don't have to try it.
Glad to hear you covering this I always wondered that myself.
I guess it's good to know that, in a pinch, if one HAD to use .38 Super in a .357 Magnum, that it would be possible and safe, with little or no effect on accuracy, depending upon gun and ammo combinations as stated, but it's not something that one should make a habit of. Thanks for the tip, Paul...
Yeah. Exactly. After seeing Paul do this, any other situation where trying it would be worth considering would already count as a very bad day, week, year, decade, etc.
Algorisms brought you to me. THANK YOU. I love your RAW data mixed with real life examples, and personal opinions.
This is very important and interesting information. 100% upvote. I really like my .357s and .38s, and this is all very good to know.
About ten or so years ago I had to test fire a gun that someone was arrested with. It was a cheap RG 38 revolver loaded with 38 Super ammo (I don't remember the brand) We put the gun in a vise, tied a string to it's trigger and got behind a ballistic shield and to my amazement, the gun didn't blow up. It fired with no problem. I don't think I would ever consider shooting it in my hands, but it did work that one time.
@@rogerwilco99 That's exactly why we have proof loads, which any responsible manufacturer uses to establish a good safety margin. From what I can find it looks like the hottest .38 Special proofs are 29.5K PSI, which could be rather a problem since .38 Super Auto is specified at 36.5K PSI standard, to say nothing of proofing loads. Sounds like it's going to depend heavily on just how much more overbuilding a manufacturer is willing to do above and beyond the already generous margin built in to proofing.
You really do a fantastic job at keeping things simple for your audience of new shooters to understand and at the same time interesting for the more experienced of us. It’s the hallmark of a great teacher. Thanks Paul!
The amount of time and knowledge you put into this video earned my subscription 👍👍
Superb professional presentation Many thanks! 🙏🙏👍👍🤠
Very comprehensive and informative... thank you from a 38 special and 357 mag fan
Thanks Paul, this answers a question that I had and in particular for my S&W Mod 19 2.5 inch bbl. While I reload, components are still difficult to come by. Commercial loads for defense are really brutal for a revolver originally designed to handle 38 spec and for my ears if i need to use it while the attacker declines to allow me put on my ear pro. 38 sup seems to be a good compromise between 357 and 38 spec +P.
Wished you had checked speed loaders too, but I can do that at my local power parlor.
I miss the Pop Tarts also. Maybe "Lucky Charms for the man short on skills."
Absolutely incredible about the fit of different ammo in different guns.
I have some of my father’s old .38 Super laying around, was curious about this exact question!
I've following your channel for years Paul and have to say this presentation is one of your best work.
2nd post as I'm checking why my posts are not showing up in RUclips comments.
Thanks Paul. Very important points. Good video as usual.
Can’t go wrong following this man’s advice on firearms ..
16:06 Paul’s words ringing in the ears of every beer goggled chad.
Literally had this the other day at work. A novice gun owner came in looking for .38 special ammo. All we had was some more expensive critical defense. The saw the cheaper box of 38 super and grabbed it up. I had to break it to them that it was the wrong ammo.
I suppose that's if the had a 38. If it was a 357, maybe? They could have used it.
This very issue is one of the reasons why ammo is sold behind the counter in my state too many injuries from lack of knowledge (which is different from stupidity).
@@kekeke4467 so you put diapers on everyone because some do not smart things?
@@dontworrybout2664 not saying I agree with it but that was the reason given
Out f'ing standing video. Very best on the subject I have seen. Nicely done!
Very interesting. Another piece of info / trivia material I can use when having beers with my shooting buddies. Thanks!
Thank you Paul, this is so fascinating to me; how you did everything possible to make sure what the results were. I ran into something with the 32 auto, some were fire in my revolver and some did not. Cool job my friend.
I’m surprised you didn’t review the SAAMI specs with regards to the pressure differences between the 3 cartridges. 38 super being 36,500 psi verses 38 special, (standard), being 17,000 psi. Even the father of the 38 Super, the 38 automatic pressures exceed the 38 special +P, but that another video…
This. It was my first thought, before even considering whether it would physically fit.
Where does the 357 fit in with pressure? I would assume quite a bit more than 38 special, about the ballpark of super?
@@matthewbeaver5026 357 is 35,000 psi. Also, for completeness, 38 special +P is about 20,000.
SAAMI specs also tell that 38 Super casings are .384 in diameter with up to -.006 tolerance (.378 in at lowest), and .357 Magnum chamber is .3809 in diameter with up to +.004 tolerance (.3849 in at highest), which explains why only some cartridges fit in some guns. With enough tolerances going around it is no wonder that they fit, and the pressure difference is practically nothing since they are still tested at 30% above standard, and there are always some variation in pressures due to measuring tolerances of the powder.
@@matthewbeaver5026 the maximum pressure for the 357 mag is considerably higher than the 38 Super. However, it’s never a good idea to fire cartridges in a firearm they were not made for. I have not yet been able to confirm this but many years ago I spoke to a Dallas cop who worked there in 1963. They said at least one of the rounds of ammo Lee Oswald had in his 38 special revolver when he shot Officer Tibbet, was a 38 Super…
In the late 70's, early 80', many police and private security entities alowed/required the private purchase of their carry revolver but forbade the use of .357mag ammo for carry. Those with. 357mag revolvers wanting more power than .38+P would use .38super. Massad Ayoob mentioned the same option. As per the misfire, only that cartridge knows for sure but the .38super not only has a smaller rim in DIAMETER but ALSO in THICKNESS. Having a THINNER rim puts the primer a wee bit farther away from the firing pin, which may have caused the misfire.
😳thank you
Yes indeed, this gap between primer and a revolver's recoil shield is called "headspace," and excessive headspace can cause a "light strike" or even a "no strike." The tolerances necessary to get a positive primer strike that is neither too deep nor too shallow, are once again a matter of thousandths of an inch. This entire video is full of great examples of gun and ammo tolerances in design, manufacture (and wear matters, too!). "Tolerance stacking" of one variation atop the next, atop the next...at some point, malfunctions will arise.
What a great video! I really enjoyed it and I am truly impressed with this man ......thanks.
Best gun channel on RUclips. Period.
RIP Paul
My god when he said it doesnt fit, then said "or does it", he really flipped the script right there. Blew my mind.
For the uninformed, a sheet of paper is about .003 of an inch.
When he says a variation of .001 of an inch, keep in mind that it's .001 around the whole thing, meaning it's more like .0005 (per side)
Standing and applauding. Excellent content and details to show your points in this video.