Really good to see an examination of "Does someone doing this justify hitting them?" The legal and ethical side of self-defense is so often neglected. Self-defense is only self-defense if it's justified. Otherwise, it's assault
Yeah. My sensei is a lawyer and he’s always telling us how to defend ourselves from having to go to court: the real-world consequence of physical fighting in our society. De-escalate, run, get witnesses to threats, etc.
Well it also depends on the country. Because "justified" is hard to prove. Here in europe it is only self defense if you use the same or less lethal weapon as your attacker. Meaning if you get punched you cannot stab, if they use a knife against you you cannot use a fire arm. If one uses a pistol you cannot use an AR, you cannot punch someone who only insulted or touched you etc...
Seeing Icy Mike in a long red wig is something I didn't know I needed in my life, until this very moment. In all seriousness, I love when you two collaborate. You contrast each other, and yet compliment each other, really well.
Love that you two covered these. My biggest complaint and issue with “women’s self defense techniques” is the people teaching these clearly have not pressure tested a lot of these nor do they have experience in grappling or striking. Understanding how the attacker would act and react would drastically impact what and how you teach these techniques
THANK you! I've commented on those BS vids and classes forever trying to convince people that they are useless irl. I've been practising MA for decades and watching a moronic clip on YT or taking one class will not help IRL. It takes practise and more practise bc IRL the bad guy won't let go off you like he does in every goddamn vid or class. My apologies for ranting.
They both just adressed the hardest part about self defense. I myself have been in various dangerous situations that didn't seem to justify that kind of brutal behaviour from my part (I would have been seen as the agressor). I once just tried to free my arm in such a situation below the justification and then that guy got really brutal, scary, crazy and used all his strength. At that point it would have been justifiable but I wouldn't have a chance to fight back anymore not with all my strenght or any of those self defense tricks. That is the real problem. Once you get to the point where it is justified to fight back with all your strenght and hurt the other person, they are raging like crazy and any kind of fighting back will just be useless or make it even worse. Being the weaker person you need to suprise the other person in a non-aggressive mood state and then overpower them with all your strenght to have a chance to get away. If not you are probably risking getting hurt badly or even killed. For me being good at running fast and having a plan worked the best to escape from strangers. I feel like the laws should adress this problem as a weaker person cannot afford waiting to a point where it is justified to fight back with all you got, because from my experience at that point it is too late already. As for those attackers that we know personally (and that are by far even worse, scarier and much much harder to hurt when they come at you) I appreciate any tips as I have no idea what to if someone you like or even love ignores your "no". I just still hope anyone doing that will have to suffer an endless, very hurtful, horrible, scary death asap (but wishful thinking is doing nothing).
@@stevenschnepp576 I don't know laws from other countries then my own. It says: "(...) Self-defense is the defense *required* to avert a present unlawful attack on oneself or another." The part with "required" is the one that is making it difficult. In addition for anyone that has been trained in any martial art (no matter for how long or how long ago). "The bottom line is that your defense is in proportion to your attack. (...) self-defence is defined as the fact that you may use the necessary defense to ward off an attack against you or against another person." And "You are acting in self-defense when you use the "least" means given the situation. Your self-defense should repel the attack and get you to safety. But it must not be out of proportion." Fighting back as the physically weaker person that has learnt any martial art might get you into prison even if you "just" acted in self defence. No matter how sure your are that if you hadn't used all your strenght you'd have been r*aped or fighting back would've gotten the attacker furious and it you would have ended up getting killed. We can't proof what was prevented afterwards if the attacker got a badly injured.
Exactly so! Thank you for bringing up those good points. You have to make a very difficult internal calculation (how hard to fight) without having the full set of data (the other person's intent).
I although aren't the batman or a gangsta i would advise you to have a knife with fixed blades at all times since even if someone goes apeshit he would easily either scared or badly injured by the knife , strength only matters to heavy knives like machetes but light weight knives are good for both strong and weak , always try to stab not slice since the clothing will prevent any cut(unless you use machetes ) , like you said it's best to run when it gets itense, lastly never show your knife, have it as a wild card for self defence, don't truy tho show off(although I believe you won't) since even if the guy has a gun he won't use it if doesn't see any weapon. Also have atleast one friend to be with you or even a pepper spray, the only reason you might need a gun is because you live in the USA and you are in a gun fight, otherwise they are useless in close to medium range targets since by the time you pull you will either be grabbed, ganged, hit or even worse stabbed, also always stay on your feet,bjj helps in only escaping your enemie stand up again, choking isn't effective since most will either be with gangs thus not having enough time to chok or he has a knife and you are badly injured
Great advice. When I was in college, I was in Kuk Sool Won, and my instructor taught a women's self defense class at the college. He had me and another guy from our school come to their final exam and play the role of attacker. The upward wrist grab defense move was effective. They were taught to grab their own hand for more leverage, if needed to escape, and focus on pulling through the weakest point of the grip. Some techniques just didn't work for some girls because of their size or lack of strength. As with any self defense, practice and practical application are the keys to success in real world scenarios.
I practice hapkido (which shares a lot of Kul Sool Won techniques) and my Kiosanim likes to ALWAYS stress test everything they teach us at the end of the class, last class we learned some rolling submissions and defenses and at the end of the class she put all the males to fight against the females, the males had the objective of dominating the females (without going for submissions) but just going brute force, and the females had the objective of surviving, defending and either trying to escape or trying to submit us. I'm the tallest and most muscular there (182cm, 84kg and 10% body fat) so they used me a lot to teach the different sized girls, on how to approach an attacker my size, the smaller girls were told to use techniques to break free and run and the bigger girls they told them "try to submit him, but if you can't, then escape". it was very interesting.
I agree, I'm an aikidoist and I can tell you that a lot of the one handed moves DO need both hands if you're a small woman against a larger man (sometimes I can't even get my hand around someone's wrist!) We also sometimes need a second step or some extra sneaky stuff to make it work. It's a bad idea to just take it at face value that a technique can be done exactly the same way if you're half the size of the person demonstrating.
The best defense is to run, even for men. I truely think those videos are just dangerous, what if he/she has a knife? What if there are more than one but you didn't notice? Just run, girl, it's way more safe.
I used to watch these videos and think "ok, that could work". Then 8 years ago, I started martial arts and now I know, "not so much", lol. What these videos often leave out is how much you have to practice the move to make it part of your muscle memory. Because when you're threatened, quite often freezing is the response which can be deadly. Love your videos! P.S. The red wig made me want to shout "Aquaman!"
Thats not even taking into account the fact that (in these specific scenarios) the dude is likely much larger, stronger, and heavier than her on top of the fact that they wont be doing just this one thing. He wont just grab her from behind and sit there while she reacts. He will be doing a whole lot more.
@@freedomandguns3231 TBH a firearm in the situations listed just wouldn't do a hell of a lot. It's useless if they have already grabbed your arms, and it's murder is you can't prove you were actually being attacked.
"If you're putting out content for the sake of alleviating people's fears through knowlegde, make it good knowledge " solid advice that applies to so much more than just self defense videos...fantastic video, great breakdown without getting too technical or over explaining topics
I love it when both of you test self defense techniques, where it sometimes work and you sometimes learn from it. Some other RUclipsrs would just mock bad women self defense videos and do not test them seriously. The fact is, sometimes dumb things work, but they are just not the best thing to rely on. Thanks for the video.
I do appreciate that you guys had a women in the video to talk about these kinds of silly hacks! I don’t personally think that it was needed for credibility since you’re both martial artists, and in most cases, if it doesn’t work for one sex, it won’t work for the other. But I appreciate it for the sole purpose of showing that women aren’t stupid or naïve when it comes to self defense. I kinda feel like that narrative is being perpetuated by these “self defense hacks” made specifically for women, and I’m glad to see knowledgeable martial artists deconstructing these myths, and having fun in the process.
Well, there is a size and strength differential to consider in many scenarios. Your average woman is shorter and weaker than your average man, for example. And men to tend to have greater upper body strength. A 5' woman vs. a 6' man would likely be at a bit of a disadvantage in terms of reach and strength. Some techniques might not work as well in those circumstances. That's why while I definitely appreciate them testing it out themselves, I also would have liked them to get a woman in the video to test out the "better" ones.
@@wordforger that's what I'm saying 99% of these women self defense is BS a average man is a whole lot stronger than a average woman and men are gonna most likely be taller and weigh much more than a woman, many women are shorter and are light even if women pull some of these moves off the men would still overpower them in a matter of seconds and once you're Ina scenario a lot of ppl freeze and forget what to do
@@wordforger Very true. And in Arnis/Kali/Escrima, they deal with it thus: They don't strike at the main sternum or the head (often) because the focus is letting the aggressor attempt to strike and then they can attack whatever he comes with - hand/arm or foot/leg. And they learn to hit brutally hard and repeatedly. They just gradually disable your ability to continue attacking. And if you want to see fast, see a Kali practitioner. Two of my friends were taking a class in Kali and the instructor was Ramel Espiritu (spelling?). He'd grown up in the Philippines and he'd carried balisong flip knives when he was young to fend off gangs. He showed moves slowed down for people trying to strike against him bare handed - they had escrima stick, fixed blade knife, and the flip knives at him... and he'd show how you developed the response time and timing to be missed and counterstrike the limb. I watched him one day with my friend Jim doing full-speed attacks and Jim wasn't slow. Ramel was a blur... you could not see his moves at full tilt. You could see the results... a stick hitting the ground, a knife hitting the ground, and the assistant/victim holding their arm or leg and having a miserable bruise.... I've seen a lot of Karateka, Aikidoists, Jiu-Jutsu practitioners, Judoka, and others over my younger years. I never saw anyone, even some 5th Dan and up instructors, that were as fast as Ramel. So there is some techniques and martial arts that don't depend on having longer reach or greater strength - they just solve the problem by waiting for the attack and disabling the limb. That does require practice and hardening up what muscle you do have to generate very fast speed and a focus on where you hit. But it does help smaller, slighter folks.
5:37 The sciatic nerve actually runs along the posterior part of the leg, not the anterior. So grabbing the anterior thigh would do nothing, especially because of how deep that nerve runs. Most sciatic nerve injuries occur at the hip where the nerve leaves the lumbar plexus (e.g. hip dislocation, traumatic birth)
@@SenseiSeth Ranton has a video series on the game, im sure you already know his channel, if not, hes a former Shaolin Monk...also, great videos Sensei, makes me want to get back into MMA/MA in general!!!!
I remember doing a control and restraint course for work where they tried to teach pinches. We went above the trainer's heads ( a few colleagues and I ) and advise everyone that it was a stupid idea but allowing people to use everything they had on us to see if we let go. We didn't, we then pointed out that someone that is trying to hurt you is even less likely to let you go. It meant everyone focused on the techniques that actually had a decent chance of working instead of wasting time and mental resources on pinches.
I suspect the only 'trying to hurt' things that actually make people stop doing things are classic submission holds (because they can't reach you even if they wanted to fight), then the 'you've inflicted a serious injury' stuff (biting a chunk off of someone or shoving a thumb through their eye is normally going to put them out of a fight, it's just not really self defense once the news headline describes you as an enucleating cannibal)
I went to a self defence class once, and the first thing we were taught was to use our voices. Don't go straight for attack unless they genuinely attacked first, like pulled a knife on you or went to hit you over the head with a pole or bat first. I think the line was "you are touching me in a way that makes me feel uncomfortable. I do not like that. I would like you to stop" or something to that effect. And then we were shown how to gently remove their hands from us if that didn't work. Using a method that would only hurt them if they resisted. The only stuff we were shown that would cause damage were stuff in retaliation to what would cause us damage. For example, if they came from behind and pushed us to the ground, then we pull their legs from under them to force them onto the ground instead, giving us a chance to get away and call emergency services and a solicitor. (Never forget the solicitor, if you report it wrong, you could be the one to end up in trouble). But this move only worked if they were pushing you to the ground in the first place.
I’m really happy you guys are covering this. I still meet other women who think watching these videos or going to a 1 hour women’s self defense class is enough. It really makes me worried for them if they actually do get attacked and they won’t know what to do because they will probably freeze or put them in a worse situation. I try to encourage them to actually go out and train, but I know most of them don’t take my recommendation seriously
Perfect timing for this video. Later this week I am planning on teaching a self-defense seminar at my high school, and much of the criticism you had in this video I was going to communicate to the students during this upcoming session.
like these are so useless its dangerous, if somebody is straight up grabbing you with force, there aim is to hurt you etc, its not gonna be a lax situation
Love your video! I’ve been researching self defence recently a lot and so much online doesn’t work or works differently on different people depending on size age and gender. I have found it’s a case of trying them out to see what works, least complicated the better. Trying to film self defence that looks sharp and tidy is so hard as real attacks are not tidy and not predictable!
One of my favorites that can work but is unlikely is compressing the jugular and carotid artery for a blood choke. The grip can be removed, but if ignored, it doesn't take much strength. Not something I have taught to women, but was shared among female nurses I knew.
The question is - how do you get that far? The person you're choking isn't gonna stand still long enough for your to get an easy grab, plus if they keep their chin down(as they should), you wont get your hand there at all
@@isaweesaw it's supposed to be used while grappling. They're already on you. Cops have been using it for decades. Like I said, it's unlikely to pull off and you have be ignored while doing it.
Thank you for calling out the bill that people place out there. They are not helping women but giving them a false sense of being able to defend themselves. Best way to learn how to defend is to find a legit place to train at. Most women give up after a few sessions because it is tough but makes you tough and that is reality. Keep doing what you do. Love your videos
The one self-defense technique I can guarantee that'll work every time, regardless of the situation, is to just yell out, "That's my purse! I don't know you!," and then kick them in the nards while they're confused ✌️😂
Brutal force are always the best way to defend your self. If the attacker have great pain and broken ribs then he have other things than you to think of.
You know it’s sad. I once heard on the radio a girl say that most women have been touched/harassed by a male at least once in their lifetime. That statement disturbed me and I proceeded to ask ( at different times) my sisters and mom. All of them told me they had been touched, fondled, harassed by a man at one point in their lives.. it kinda broke my heart.. My issue with these self-defense technique tester videos is that it’s done by full time martial artists. And then they stand their waiting to be bear hugged and then attacker knows that a technique of some sort is coming so that nullifies a lot of it.. but an attacker isn’t just going to grab and stand there and wait for someone to apply a technique and a woman is not just going to be standing still waiting to be attacked.. now I agree that a lot of those techniques don’t work and a couple of them did. Like the hand escape one… I liked that because more often than not.. a women is going to be faced with some guy grabbing her as opposed to an all out assault like a bear hug… but at a bar a drunk guy can grab their behind or grab their hand and those techniques work perfectly in that situation where violence isn’t necessarily intended but a man not respecting boundaries. Now I’m a life long martial artists so I taught all my sisters to punch, knee, and my favorite palm heel and run !! And that’s all I could give them cuz they ain’t interested in training for more serious situations. But all in all great fun video !
Yes I have two daughters, and made sure they understand they WILL be harassed, or worse. My wife and I both practice karate. I love having my wife test her moves against me, as I'm quite a bit heavier and taller.
I think the link women are missing is not technique, but aggression. If a guy grabs my hand, I am going to either toss him with my body rotation or punch him. It takes very little technique to do either one.
@@thevulture5750 yes this is true.. ultimately both forms of abuse are unacceptable. Men have a natural fighter instincts whereas woman tend to be more reticent to fight back. And of course this video is specific on womens self defense .
@@thevulture5750 I don’t know if that first part was facetious or not but yea… if everyone were respectful to one another we probably wouldn’t need for all this self defense stuff.
When it comes to fighting, you can't be too humble. I got my (a little too over confident) ass handed to me yesterday. I do MMA sparring weekly, mostly with begginers that usually can't grapple or strike, so I do well when training with them. Yesterday, I sparred with two amateur MMA fighters in my weight class and honestly I just felt like fighting a solid brick wall. I felt like a helpless baby. And they went with maybe 10 percent of strength and force.
@@Jellyfish-g5d good point, we’re they? I remember when I was starting out boxing at around 14, one 26 year old lady kept trying to instigate and intimidate me. She had it in her mind that she could beat me because she had a decade more experience. Anyway one day she got me in the ring and I wiped the floor with her. It was maybe 40 seconds before she gave up completely. She was skilled yes, but she had no force, it felt like being punched by a two year old. All I had to do was break her guard (easy because she had no strength), and get a right hook to the head.
Nice video, sir. Yes, too much of the self defense content is basically security theater. I wish more of it was set up to provide at-home drills for when you cannot be in the dojo, but even more so I wish they discussed a lot more about situational awareness and legal ramifications of the techniques they are talking about.
Hey, great video. However, I would like to ask you to rethink the Kimura shown at 1:58 and the underhook at 10:00. These techniques won't work if you're facing a bigger, stronger opponent. In a standing position you just don't have the leverage to use your full body against the other one's arm. I think it's dangerous to recommend these kind of techniques for women's self defense.
Hey seth can you create another Comparing video about different types of kickboxing like Muay Thai and American kickboxing and dutch kickboxing and sanda
I like that Icy Mike is participating in these videos. So, ok, not all the ridiculous moves are that bad, they just need to be tweaked a bit. Keep them coming
Great video, dudes! 😄The only possible improvement that came to my mind was to also add an entire living woman to it, not just a voice (since it's about women's self defense🤣). Then we could see what actually works when a woman does it, and also Mike wouldn't have to try to bear hug Seth. He could keep the wig on though. You've given me an idea for a video!
We use the grab break at 8:45 in aikido to set up for a wrist lock. Unfortunately, it wouldn't woldn't work against a non-compliant opponent, so as you say, it is a good move in and of itself, but then what? Shoot in for a double leg :)
I liked the fact you guys go for strikes with forearms, elbows, etc. versus a punch. I once had it said to me that the only time it is permissible to hit someone with a bare hand was if you were in an empty, featureless room and both of your feet have been nailed to the ground (and unsaid: And you couldn't for some reason do a forearm slam or elbow strike). Most of the time, someone trying to hit another person has a decent chance of spraining their fingers, thumb or wrist or breaking some of your own bones and that reduces any chance to break or control a threat. Another aspect I'd call out: When you go to control moves that leaves the other side looking straight at you with one loose arm and two loose legs, you're taking a big risk. Now, if you are well trained and in practice, you can transition to another technique, but if you are surprised and are not well trained, you don't want to make your first (maybe last) move to be one that puts your foe facing you and able to counter. A lot of the time, esp with a bigger opponent, if you blow a grapple or you haven't established sufficient distance, their next move will be punching you with a big fat fist or forearm. So teach moves to the outside and/or behind with your guy looking 90 degrees or 180 degrees to see you and if you have a limb in a lock, he might not be able to whale you with the other arm. If I'm breaking a grapple and moving to a lock, I do not want to be moving to a position that leaves me face to face to my aggressor. I'd rather twist the wrist/arm out (katate tori kotagaeshi) and pop the wrist, the elbow, the shoulder, or more than one of those at once. That move also generally will end up with the aggressor going down and that creates an opportunity to take distance and maybe escape the scene. And one of the things most martial artists who are used to partial force or that wear gear for protection don't necessarily understand is: When I am facing a serious threat, perhaps a lethal one, and I get hit and hit hard, can I get back in the fight? In a fair % of times, if you aren't trained and don't have experience in really being hit and how to respond when you have taken a hard whack, you might be right out of the fight. A 2nd Dan in Aikido I knew got sucker punched. He didn't see it coming. The first shot broke his nose and all he could see was red - he couldn't see well enough to fight. That said, once he got one had on one of the assailants (and my pal was a farm boy with biceps that got him the title 'Human Tractor'), he just levelled the assailant and put him down gasping because of the powerful punch he dealt (some short arm kung fu training). Another time, in another place, he was trying to protect me and got sucker punched again (the attacker threw a punch past the guy's girlfriend so it was hard to see coming) and knocked my friend's glasses off. He couldn't see who was who and in the dark and flashing lights, he couldn't figure out who to level. The point is that you really need to train self-defense with an element of discovering a) what it feels like to be hit and b) learn how to ride the pain, get back up in the fight, and not just be down and out where the assailant has his choice of harms he might inflict on you. Another friend of mine went to an MMA style dojo. They were pretty smug and they wanted to test him out a bit so they took his green belt and put him up against a high brown. The guy kicked my friend in the stones. There's a shot period where you recognize you are hit but the pain hasn't hit in yet. He grabbed the other guy by the ears and executed a full force head to head Scot's Kiss (headbutt) and the attacker hit the mat before my friend did. Speed and violence are also key aspects close combat. Somebody else might have more training and better technique, but if you can get one good hit in, a lot of time that ends the fight. A good enough hit fast enough is better than a better strike too late. One thing not discussed is the awareness you need to have to avoid these situations that start with you disadvantaged. That mindset and the alertness to avoid uncomfortable or risky situations is your first to use before any situation goes all violence and adrenalin.
Another fun and educational vid! Hopefully, at the very least, such "self-defense hack" videos would put up disclaimers urging not to blindly follow what's shown in the video and learn martial arts for these tips to be useful. Might as well earn a few bucks from advertising gyms or dojos. Sifu is like a huge love letter to Kung-Fu action flicks that also looks and plays nice. Hope you actually like it Seth )
For the arm up thing, i usually pull the arm to my shoulder with the opponents hand at a 90° angle at the wrist and use my elbow on the other hand to go over the opponents arm and basically do a version of a stand armbar. I really don't know how to describe it correctly, but it works suprisingly well, once you learned how to do it
@@SebastianSchachner ok I appreciate it, I didn't want to search through the whole video lol. I was curious because we go over that a lot in my dojo. Mainly, we use the other hand to grab and hold, and then turn so they're forced to lose their grip, and maybe if you're lucky you can still have hold of their hand in an awkward situation, but most likely they probably let go and then try to attack you again maybe. Along with that, if you do have brief control of the hand, if you turn the hand pinky side upwards and force down, that'll bring a lot of pain to the wrist.
09:40 This one is pretty close to one we practice in my TKD class. We tend to aim more towards the neck than the jaw, though. It's definitely unpleasant, and works pretty well for just shoving someone away to create some distance.
Dude that hand fighting-to-kimora grip Mike does to fight the hands is super sick. I want to learn that. Seems like it would be super useful in a real life scenario. I never see guys go for the standing kimora after fighting the hands in MMA though. Maybe its too easy to defend for people with bjj experience
The wrist grab break at 8:42 is in American Kenpo. Like what Mike and Rokas said during their martial arts ranked for self-defense video, I have been very critical of the techniques I've been taught because a lot of it is either pure crap or just not useful in self-defense. This wrist grab break, though? I still stand by it. The hardest part is making sure that students know how to fight so they have good skills to use to follow up that grab break.
3:48 I do shotokan there is a technique like that you stop on foot in horse stance headbutt then knock out the wind by jumping into there gut then u turn and kick or elbow their face
Self defence tool kit is proper striking, breaking common grabs, and knowing weak points and how to use them most effectively. Combat arts contain those and more
Best self defense is to dodge the fight all together, after that how to break away and get out of there. If you are locked in a fight then things have gone awry, especially if they outnumber you which is not too uncommon if it ever comes to this.
Finally So good to see someone, you guys keeping it real, thanks guys. Nothing worse that someone teaching something that Does Not Work. Ever notice when most of these are taught that the person lets them do what ever they want, not in the real world. Again Thank you!
This is actually pretty nifty. I've learned a few things since part of my job is (apparently) knowing how to deal with young people getting violent. Main things I've learned: 1) Best self-defense is not to be in that situation in the first place if you can help it. 2) If you end up in that situation anyway, then staying out of reach and putting an obstacle between you and the assailant is defense #1. 3) If you end up in reach, then the key is giving yourself the advantage of leverage over your opponent so you can get out of their hold, put them off balance, and give yourself a chance to either subdue or run away. Obviously, we would probably not be putting random attackers in a hold, but I think at least a couple of the techniques we learn would be useful here. Our hand freeing techniques are basically what you showed, using the same leverage techniques. That one where you wrapped his arm and got him in the jaw with your forearm was half what we're taught to handle bites and half what we're taught to control one of the assailant's limbs in a way that makes us harder to hit.
There are a lot of things to say, but the one i feel like i have to say is THE SCIATIC NERVE IS IN THE BACK OF THE THIGH. Not that i think it would make any difference for the technique. But it bugged me
can you do a video on finding a good studio for realistic self defense? not the mystical journey/be your own hero crap, but the "there's no f***ing way I'm going in that trunk!" version.
I did canadian jujutsu for a number of years, and really it was a long time after that when I realized the relationship between two person kata and combat, or at least how it relates to me I break down each part of the kata in isolation and use that information. So while action A will often not lead to action B automatically, both actions may be legit. So a punch to the gut maybe bends the assailant over. If someone is bent over, you have an opportunity for a variety of throws. In kata you are working a punch to the gut with a throw, but they are independent of each other. Of course, there is such a thing as bad kata. Anyway that grip break reminds me of that
For the wrist lock ones which are good, I would still hit the face first to create a diversion (i.e. punch or palm strike to the nose) to then loosen the hand to make the escape from the wrist lock easier and more time to get away.
Web in, web out, .... your guys reaction to web up was awesome and I lol'd a little too hard Thanks for the videos my gf and both train /teach at the same school and we love watching your channel.
Also, try following that vertical wrist grab release with a strike to the armpit. Not a whole lot of protection there and it's not pleasant. Not going to magically incapacitate anyone, but one of those unexpected "WTF did you just do to me?" things that distract and causes confusion. Could buy a few seconds to try another technique, or get away.
During my lifetime I stumbled over three videos in total showing real predatory criminals attacking women. Don't think self-defense teachings would have made any difference regarding the outcome.
@@kbanghart I saw those vids many years ago. Can't provide any links. Sorry. However, the women hadn't the slightest chance to defend themselves. Sad stuff.
I haven't seen a comment about this but my favourite part was that the "attacker" didn't knew how the "attacked" will react. Making it so mutch more natural and effective way of testing bechause there's no placebo effect of any measure
I've recently started BJJ and I was watching the first technique like "I'm pretty sure I did this tech in my first BJJ class..." which was neat in that it's something that can work. Then I saw the next few techniques and was like "aaaah, this is what I was expecting from this video..."
We do the wrist release. If you need a name for it we call it reverse the grip. There is also a little coaching bit where if the individual is to small or weak to pull their arm back. To instead step forward to get their arm in the right position 😁
Did you football at university of Charleston in wv.?did u play for Kirkland? He also coached glenville state where I went b4... Like I have been non stop watching your channel since found it.was watching videos to try figure out what to start my 2 yr old girl in.
The simplest defenses are often the best. Namely, if you can and the situation is dire enough to require it, go for the eyes, that's the most reliable weak point of any human, no matter how much stronger they are, and even a child could do extreme damage there. The following pain and impairment will also make any follow-up from the attacker much more difficult for them. Any tricks relying on unbalancing the opponent are a lot less reliable and will ideally only buy you seconds, if we're being generous.
3:01 i'm dying. I really am. But before i go, just wanted to give my congratulations to Seth about 1:31 that was an awesome Takedown, i didn't know that you knew it.
Elbow into chest is useless. Put fingers into his eye. Try that then come back. And why go for the sciatic nerve on thigh when you are so close to grabbing the balls? That’s TWO Master Wong techniques you should already know.
@2:15 - That back elbow to the chest can work, but only if you follow thru with the strike with the intent to drop the person on their ass 6 ft. away from you. I actually did it when some goofball bearhugged me from behind back in Jr. High School.
I'd like you guys to try something for the rear, overarms bear hug, and see If it works. It's in 3 steps. Rear over arms bear hug. Step 1. Drop body weight lifting arms to a framing position to one side or the other side.(fists closed). Step 2. Side hammer fist to the neck. (Under the ear if possible). Step 3. Sidekick to the stomach. Step 4. Run like hell. What do you guys think? Would that work?
I like that you aim to teach women things that work for self defence. Debunking those that doesn't is a good start. Now...who are those lovely red heads with the slight facial hair issue?
Basically all control can be broken, you just saw an example of it. I’ve done bjj sins 2012 and Gracie Combatives. You either stay close as a hug or all the way out (two arm lengths). If the aggressor has shown that he or she is determined by to do be bad enough to justify bodily harm I would tell a rookie to escape if possible and if not, the to smash them.
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I am so embarrassed at how I snapped my fingers. I'm really hurt that you didn't edit that out.
MY coach focus snaps
At least you can snap.
@@metrolinamartialarts HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Oh I thought you were trying to be like Thanos.
And we know you're hard to hurt.
Ok, not funny, I know.
Really good to see an examination of "Does someone doing this justify hitting them?" The legal and ethical side of self-defense is so often neglected.
Self-defense is only self-defense if it's justified. Otherwise, it's assault
Yeah. My sensei is a lawyer and he’s always telling us how to defend ourselves from having to go to court: the real-world consequence of physical fighting in our society. De-escalate, run, get witnesses to threats, etc.
Women tend to get more leeway when it comes to disparity-of-force/force-continuum stuff, but they still need to understand it.
Well it also depends on the country. Because "justified" is hard to prove. Here in europe it is only self defense if you use the same or less lethal weapon as your attacker. Meaning if you get punched you cannot stab, if they use a knife against you you cannot use a fire arm. If one uses a pistol you cannot use an AR, you cannot punch someone who only insulted or touched you etc...
@@1individeo so if someone raped me and then I killed the rapist it wouldnt be self defense?
@@mioyakiyama5499 good question
Seeing Icy Mike in a long red wig is something I didn't know I needed in my life, until this very moment. In all seriousness, I love when you two collaborate. You contrast each other, and yet compliment each other, really well.
Me: * sees icy mike in a long red wig *
My brain:…….. smash
@@Thetravelingmonke firey mike
Ha ha, Yeah, Mike's never looked sexier!
Love that you two covered these. My biggest complaint and issue with “women’s self defense techniques” is the people teaching these clearly have not pressure tested a lot of these nor do they have experience in grappling or striking. Understanding how the attacker would act and react would drastically impact what and how you teach these techniques
THANK you! I've commented on those BS vids and classes forever trying to convince people that they are useless irl. I've been practising MA for decades and watching a moronic clip on YT or taking one class will not help IRL. It takes practise and more practise bc IRL the bad guy won't let go off you like he does in every goddamn vid or class. My apologies for ranting.
Yeah... Should be easy to do under pressure and harder for the attacker to recover from.
My favorite is the chest strike. Is there a worse (less effective) place to hit a guy? I don't know.
@@conservovirtus5796 That's an excellent move. If you have the balance you can replace the strike with a hard front kick. Never failed me.
@@conservovirtus5796 I would nominate giving him a pinch on the leg.
They both just adressed the hardest part about self defense. I myself have been in various dangerous situations that didn't seem to justify that kind of brutal behaviour from my part (I would have been seen as the agressor). I once just tried to free my arm in such a situation below the justification and then that guy got really brutal, scary, crazy and used all his strength. At that point it would have been justifiable but I wouldn't have a chance to fight back anymore not with all my strenght or any of those self defense tricks. That is the real problem. Once you get to the point where it is justified to fight back with all your strenght and hurt the other person, they are raging like crazy and any kind of fighting back will just be useless or make it even worse. Being the weaker person you need to suprise the other person in a non-aggressive mood state and then overpower them with all your strenght to have a chance to get away. If not you are probably risking getting hurt badly or even killed. For me being good at running fast and having a plan worked the best to escape from strangers.
I feel like the laws should adress this problem as a weaker person cannot afford waiting to a point where it is justified to fight back with all you got, because from my experience at that point it is too late already.
As for those attackers that we know personally (and that are by far even worse, scarier and much much harder to hurt when they come at you) I appreciate any tips as I have no idea what to if someone you like or even love ignores your "no". I just still hope anyone doing that will have to suffer an endless, very hurtful, horrible, scary death asap (but wishful thinking is doing nothing).
Few self-defense laws require that you match their force, only that you had a reasonable cause to believe they intended you harm.
@@stevenschnepp576 I don't know laws from other countries then my own. It says:
"(...) Self-defense is the defense *required* to avert a present unlawful attack on oneself or another."
The part with "required" is the one that is making it difficult. In addition for anyone that has been trained in any martial art (no matter for how long or how long ago).
"The bottom line is that your defense is in proportion to your attack. (...) self-defence is defined as the fact that you may use the necessary defense to ward off an attack against you or against another person."
And "You are acting in self-defense when you use the "least" means given the situation. Your self-defense should repel the attack and get you to safety. But it must not be out of proportion."
Fighting back as the physically weaker person that has learnt any martial art might get you into prison even if you "just" acted in self defence. No matter how sure your are that if you hadn't used all your strenght you'd have been r*aped or fighting back would've gotten the attacker furious and it you would have ended up getting killed.
We can't proof what was prevented afterwards if the attacker got a badly injured.
Exactly so! Thank you for bringing up those good points. You have to make a very difficult internal calculation (how hard to fight) without having the full set of data (the other person's intent).
I although aren't the batman or a gangsta i would advise you to have a knife with fixed blades at all times since even if someone goes apeshit he would easily either scared or badly injured by the knife , strength only matters to heavy knives like machetes but light weight knives are good for both strong and weak , always try to stab not slice since the clothing will prevent any cut(unless you use machetes ) , like you said it's best to run when it gets itense, lastly never show your knife, have it as a wild card for self defence, don't truy tho show off(although I believe you won't) since even if the guy has a gun he won't use it if doesn't see any weapon. Also have atleast one friend to be with you or even a pepper spray, the only reason you might need a gun is because you live in the USA and you are in a gun fight, otherwise they are useless in close to medium range targets since by the time you pull you will either be grabbed, ganged, hit or even worse stabbed, also always stay on your feet,bjj helps in only escaping your enemie stand up again, choking isn't effective since most will either be with gangs thus not having enough time to chok or he has a knife and you are badly injured
Great advice. When I was in college, I was in Kuk Sool Won, and my instructor taught a women's self defense class at the college. He had me and another guy from our school come to their final exam and play the role of attacker. The upward wrist grab defense move was effective. They were taught to grab their own hand for more leverage, if needed to escape, and focus on pulling through the weakest point of the grip. Some techniques just didn't work for some girls because of their size or lack of strength. As with any self defense, practice and practical application are the keys to success in real world scenarios.
I practice hapkido (which shares a lot of Kul Sool Won techniques) and my Kiosanim likes to ALWAYS stress test everything they teach us at the end of the class, last class we learned some rolling submissions and defenses and at the end of the class she put all the males to fight against the females, the males had the objective of dominating the females (without going for submissions) but just going brute force, and the females had the objective of surviving, defending and either trying to escape or trying to submit us.
I'm the tallest and most muscular there (182cm, 84kg and 10% body fat) so they used me a lot to teach the different sized girls, on how to approach an attacker my size, the smaller girls were told to use techniques to break free and run and the bigger girls they told them "try to submit him, but if you can't, then escape".
it was very interesting.
@@leoaraujo8590 sounds like they were going for real world situational drills
I agree, I'm an aikidoist and I can tell you that a lot of the one handed moves DO need both hands if you're a small woman against a larger man (sometimes I can't even get my hand around someone's wrist!) We also sometimes need a second step or some extra sneaky stuff to make it work. It's a bad idea to just take it at face value that a technique can be done exactly the same way if you're half the size of the person demonstrating.
The best defense is to run, even for men. I truely think those videos are just dangerous, what if he/she has a knife? What if there are more than one but you didn't notice? Just run, girl, it's way more safe.
I used to watch these videos and think "ok, that could work". Then 8 years ago, I started martial arts and now I know, "not so much", lol. What these videos often leave out is how much you have to practice the move to make it part of your muscle memory. Because when you're threatened, quite often freezing is the response which can be deadly. Love your videos! P.S. The red wig made me want to shout "Aquaman!"
Thats not even taking into account the fact that (in these specific scenarios) the dude is likely much larger, stronger, and heavier than her on top of the fact that they wont be doing just this one thing. He wont just grab her from behind and sit there while she reacts. He will be doing a whole lot more.
All of these assume the dude is gonna be assisting the movements as well.
@@freedomandguns3231 Best women's self defense, is a brother/male friend/boyfriend/fiance/husband near by and a loud voice.
@@tomwalker8944 I disagree. Her best defense is made of steel and lead. THEN its the other guys haha
@@freedomandguns3231 TBH a firearm in the situations listed just wouldn't do a hell of a lot. It's useless if they have already grabbed your arms, and it's murder is you can't prove you were actually being attacked.
"If you're putting out content for the sake of alleviating people's fears through knowlegde, make it good knowledge " solid advice that applies to so much more than just self defense videos...fantastic video, great breakdown without getting too technical or over explaining topics
I love it when both of you test self defense techniques, where it sometimes work and you sometimes learn from it. Some other RUclipsrs would just mock bad women self defense videos and do not test them seriously. The fact is, sometimes dumb things work, but they are just not the best thing to rely on. Thanks for the video.
I do appreciate that you guys had a women in the video to talk about these kinds of silly hacks! I don’t personally think that it was needed for credibility since you’re both martial artists, and in most cases, if it doesn’t work for one sex, it won’t work for the other. But I appreciate it for the sole purpose of showing that women aren’t stupid or naïve when it comes to self defense. I kinda feel like that narrative is being perpetuated by these “self defense hacks” made specifically for women, and I’m glad to see knowledgeable martial artists deconstructing these myths, and having fun in the process.
Well, there is a size and strength differential to consider in many scenarios. Your average woman is shorter and weaker than your average man, for example. And men to tend to have greater upper body strength. A 5' woman vs. a 6' man would likely be at a bit of a disadvantage in terms of reach and strength. Some techniques might not work as well in those circumstances. That's why while I definitely appreciate them testing it out themselves, I also would have liked them to get a woman in the video to test out the "better" ones.
@@wordforger that's what I'm saying 99% of these women self defense is BS a average man is a whole lot stronger than a average woman and men are gonna most likely be taller and weigh much more than a woman, many women are shorter and are light even if women pull some of these moves off the men would still overpower them in a matter of seconds and once you're Ina scenario a lot of ppl freeze and forget what to do
@@wordforger Very true. And in Arnis/Kali/Escrima, they deal with it thus: They don't strike at the main sternum or the head (often) because the focus is letting the aggressor attempt to strike and then they can attack whatever he comes with - hand/arm or foot/leg. And they learn to hit brutally hard and repeatedly. They just gradually disable your ability to continue attacking.
And if you want to see fast, see a Kali practitioner. Two of my friends were taking a class in Kali and the instructor was Ramel Espiritu (spelling?). He'd grown up in the Philippines and he'd carried balisong flip knives when he was young to fend off gangs. He showed moves slowed down for people trying to strike against him bare handed - they had escrima stick, fixed blade knife, and the flip knives at him... and he'd show how you developed the response time and timing to be missed and counterstrike the limb. I watched him one day with my friend Jim doing full-speed attacks and Jim wasn't slow. Ramel was a blur... you could not see his moves at full tilt. You could see the results... a stick hitting the ground, a knife hitting the ground, and the assistant/victim holding their arm or leg and having a miserable bruise....
I've seen a lot of Karateka, Aikidoists, Jiu-Jutsu practitioners, Judoka, and others over my younger years. I never saw anyone, even some 5th Dan and up instructors, that were as fast as Ramel.
So there is some techniques and martial arts that don't depend on having longer reach or greater strength - they just solve the problem by waiting for the attack and disabling the limb. That does require practice and hardening up what muscle you do have to generate very fast speed and a focus on where you hit. But it does help smaller, slighter folks.
5:37 The sciatic nerve actually runs along the posterior part of the leg, not the anterior. So grabbing the anterior thigh would do nothing, especially because of how deep that nerve runs. Most sciatic nerve injuries occur at the hip where the nerve leaves the lumbar plexus (e.g. hip dislocation, traumatic birth)
We need a full gameplay series of sifu, sensei!!!!
Maybe on a second channel?
That'll be awesome!
@@SenseiSeth start a gaming channel
@@SenseiSeth Ranton has a video series on the game, im sure you already know his channel, if not, hes a former Shaolin Monk...also, great videos Sensei, makes me want to get back into MMA/MA in general!!!!
@@SenseiSeth do it sensei
i did Ju Jitsu for some months, i had to quit but it made me understand that fighting isnt just "do that and it will work" fighting is hard.
I remember doing a control and restraint course for work where they tried to teach pinches. We went above the trainer's heads ( a few colleagues and I ) and advise everyone that it was a stupid idea but allowing people to use everything they had on us to see if we let go.
We didn't, we then pointed out that someone that is trying to hurt you is even less likely to let you go.
It meant everyone focused on the techniques that actually had a decent chance of working instead of wasting time and mental resources on pinches.
I suspect the only 'trying to hurt' things that actually make people stop doing things are classic submission holds (because they can't reach you even if they wanted to fight), then the 'you've inflicted a serious injury' stuff (biting a chunk off of someone or shoving a thumb through their eye is normally going to put them out of a fight, it's just not really self defense once the news headline describes you as an enucleating cannibal)
I went to a self defence class once, and the first thing we were taught was to use our voices. Don't go straight for attack unless they genuinely attacked first, like pulled a knife on you or went to hit you over the head with a pole or bat first.
I think the line was "you are touching me in a way that makes me feel uncomfortable. I do not like that. I would like you to stop" or something to that effect. And then we were shown how to gently remove their hands from us if that didn't work. Using a method that would only hurt them if they resisted. The only stuff we were shown that would cause damage were stuff in retaliation to what would cause us damage. For example, if they came from behind and pushed us to the ground, then we pull their legs from under them to force them onto the ground instead, giving us a chance to get away and call emergency services and a solicitor. (Never forget the solicitor, if you report it wrong, you could be the one to end up in trouble). But this move only worked if they were pushing you to the ground in the first place.
I’m really happy you guys are covering this. I still meet other women who think watching these videos or going to a 1 hour women’s self defense class is enough. It really makes me worried for them if they actually do get attacked and they won’t know what to do because they will probably freeze or put them in a worse situation. I try to encourage them to actually go out and train, but I know most of them don’t take my recommendation seriously
Perfect timing for this video. Later this week I am planning on teaching a self-defense seminar at my high school, and much of the criticism you had in this video I was going to communicate to the students during this upcoming session.
like these are so useless its dangerous, if somebody is straight up grabbing you with force, there aim is to hurt you etc, its not gonna be a lax situation
Love your video! I’ve been researching self defence recently a lot and so much online doesn’t work or works differently on different people depending on size age and gender. I have found it’s a case of trying them out to see what works, least complicated the better. Trying to film self defence that looks sharp and tidy is so hard as real attacks are not tidy and not predictable!
seth your content has come leaps and bounds from just a year ago, your editing is so captivating and your writing is constantly entertaining!
The Sifu sponsorship is really cool Seth! I love these kinds of videos with Mike!
The ratty red wig has become a personal favorite aspect of these videos.
One of my favorites that can work but is unlikely is compressing the jugular and carotid artery for a blood choke. The grip can be removed, but if ignored, it doesn't take much strength. Not something I have taught to women, but was shared among female nurses I knew.
The question is - how do you get that far? The person you're choking isn't gonna stand still long enough for your to get an easy grab, plus if they keep their chin down(as they should), you wont get your hand there at all
@@isaweesaw it's supposed to be used while grappling. They're already on you. Cops have been using it for decades. Like I said, it's unlikely to pull off and you have be ignored while doing it.
I will never get tired of these videos. Thank you for what you guys do!
Thank you for calling out the bill that people place out there. They are not helping women but giving them a false sense of being able to defend themselves. Best way to learn how to defend is to find a legit place to train at. Most women give up after a few sessions because it is tough but makes you tough and that is reality. Keep doing what you do. Love your videos
The one self-defense technique I can guarantee that'll work every time, regardless of the situation, is to just yell out, "That's my purse! I don't know you!," and then kick them in the nards while they're confused ✌️😂
Brutal force are always the best way to defend your self.
If the attacker have great pain and broken ribs then he have other things than you to think of.
Yes... Although it's not hard for men to defend their crotch.
The Bobby Hill classic is all you need
No, because when your adrenaline is pumping you won't even feel getting stabbed it nulls most of the pain.
ITT: A bunch of people taking a King of the Hill reference as a serious comment on self-defense.
You know it’s sad. I once heard on the radio a girl say that most women have been touched/harassed by a male at least once in their lifetime. That statement disturbed me and I proceeded to ask ( at different times) my sisters and mom. All of them told me they had been touched, fondled, harassed by a man at one point in their lives.. it kinda broke my heart..
My issue with these self-defense technique tester videos is that it’s done by full time martial artists. And then they stand their waiting to be bear hugged and then attacker knows that a technique of some sort is coming so that nullifies a lot of it.. but an attacker isn’t just going to grab and stand there and wait for someone to apply a technique and a woman is not just going to be standing still waiting to be attacked.. now I agree that a lot of those techniques don’t work and a couple of them did. Like the hand escape one… I liked that because more often than not.. a women is going to be faced with some guy grabbing her as opposed to an all out assault like a bear hug… but at a bar a drunk guy can grab their behind or grab their hand and those techniques work perfectly in that situation where violence isn’t necessarily intended but a man not respecting boundaries.
Now I’m a life long martial artists so I taught all my sisters to punch, knee, and my favorite palm heel and run !! And that’s all I could give them cuz they ain’t interested in training for more serious situations.
But all in all great fun video !
Yes I have two daughters, and made sure they understand they WILL be harassed, or worse.
My wife and I both practice karate. I love having my wife test her moves against me, as I'm quite a bit heavier and taller.
I think the link women are missing is not technique, but aggression. If a guy grabs my hand, I am going to either toss him with my body rotation or punch him. It takes very little technique to do either one.
@@thevulture5750 oh I believe it.
@@thevulture5750 yes this is true.. ultimately both forms of abuse are unacceptable. Men have a natural fighter instincts whereas woman tend to be more reticent to fight back. And of course this video is specific on womens self defense .
@@thevulture5750 I don’t know if that first part was facetious or not but yea… if everyone were respectful to one another we probably wouldn’t need for all this self defense stuff.
When it comes to fighting, you can't be too humble. I got my (a little too over confident) ass handed to me yesterday. I do MMA sparring weekly, mostly with begginers that usually can't grapple or strike, so I do well when training with them. Yesterday, I sparred with two amateur MMA fighters in my weight class and honestly I just felt like fighting a solid brick wall. I felt like a helpless baby. And they went with maybe 10 percent of strength and force.
@@Jellyfish-g5d good point, we’re they? I remember when I was starting out boxing at around 14, one 26 year old lady kept trying to instigate and intimidate me. She had it in her mind that she could beat me because she had a decade more experience. Anyway one day she got me in the ring and I wiped the floor with her. It was maybe 40 seconds before she gave up completely. She was skilled yes, but she had no force, it felt like being punched by a two year old. All I had to do was break her guard (easy because she had no strength), and get a right hook to the head.
Anyway that’s why I don’t hit women anymore, it just isn’t fair.
Nice video, sir. Yes, too much of the self defense content is basically security theater. I wish more of it was set up to provide at-home drills for when you cannot be in the dojo, but even more so I wish they discussed a lot more about situational awareness and legal ramifications of the techniques they are talking about.
Poor Mike. As a small guy he’s now become the perfect person to test women’s self defense techniques against large dudes…..
Props for the checking with the real life female!
Also your headbutt attempt was hilarious.
Hey, great video. However, I would like to ask you to rethink the Kimura shown at 1:58 and the underhook at 10:00. These techniques won't work if you're facing a bigger, stronger opponent. In a standing position you just don't have the leverage to use your full body against the other one's arm. I think it's dangerous to recommend these kind of techniques for women's self defense.
THANKS FOR THE THUTH . greetings from a judoka in Switzerland 😊
This has been something I've talked about for a while. Measured force is an existing parameter in regards to how far you take defending your self.
Hey seth can you create another Comparing video about different types of kickboxing like Muay Thai and American kickboxing and dutch kickboxing and sanda
this needs to be a regular series
I know why "do this move, do that move, kick the groin" doesn't work. You forgot the most important part.
Restomp the groin.
Video with you playing and analyzing Sifu would be pretty cool
The part at 3:11 is very relevant. Really nice having that in and taking into consideration what real life is like!
Thanks Seth, Hard2Hurt team
I like that Icy Mike is participating in these videos. So, ok, not all the ridiculous moves are that bad, they just need to be tweaked a bit.
Keep them coming
Great video, dudes! 😄The only possible improvement that came to my mind was to also add an entire living woman to it, not just a voice (since it's about women's self defense🤣). Then we could see what actually works when a woman does it, and also Mike wouldn't have to try to bear hug Seth. He could keep the wig on though.
You've given me an idea for a video!
We use the grab break at 8:45 in aikido to set up for a wrist lock. Unfortunately, it wouldn't woldn't work against a non-compliant opponent, so as you say, it is a good move in and of itself, but then what? Shoot in for a double leg :)
Icy Mike with the BJJ snap. He's changing
Thankful for these debunking videos, they may actually help people escape dangerous grappling situations by knowing what not to do.
Thanks to this video, I received an ad on how to learn more about coding on my own (literally what I was planning to do). Thank you!
I liked the fact you guys go for strikes with forearms, elbows, etc. versus a punch. I once had it said to me that the only time it is permissible to hit someone with a bare hand was if you were in an empty, featureless room and both of your feet have been nailed to the ground (and unsaid: And you couldn't for some reason do a forearm slam or elbow strike). Most of the time, someone trying to hit another person has a decent chance of spraining their fingers, thumb or wrist or breaking some of your own bones and that reduces any chance to break or control a threat.
Another aspect I'd call out: When you go to control moves that leaves the other side looking straight at you with one loose arm and two loose legs, you're taking a big risk. Now, if you are well trained and in practice, you can transition to another technique, but if you are surprised and are not well trained, you don't want to make your first (maybe last) move to be one that puts your foe facing you and able to counter.
A lot of the time, esp with a bigger opponent, if you blow a grapple or you haven't established sufficient distance, their next move will be punching you with a big fat fist or forearm.
So teach moves to the outside and/or behind with your guy looking 90 degrees or 180 degrees to see you and if you have a limb in a lock, he might not be able to whale you with the other arm. If I'm breaking a grapple and moving to a lock, I do not want to be moving to a position that leaves me face to face to my aggressor. I'd rather twist the wrist/arm out (katate tori kotagaeshi) and pop the wrist, the elbow, the shoulder, or more than one of those at once. That move also generally will end up with the aggressor going down and that creates an opportunity to take distance and maybe escape the scene.
And one of the things most martial artists who are used to partial force or that wear gear for protection don't necessarily understand is:
When I am facing a serious threat, perhaps a lethal one, and I get hit and hit hard, can I get back in the fight? In a fair % of times, if you aren't trained and don't have experience in really being hit and how to respond when you have taken a hard whack, you might be right out of the fight.
A 2nd Dan in Aikido I knew got sucker punched. He didn't see it coming. The first shot broke his nose and all he could see was red - he couldn't see well enough to fight. That said, once he got one had on one of the assailants (and my pal was a farm boy with biceps that got him the title 'Human Tractor'), he just levelled the assailant and put him down gasping because of the powerful punch he dealt (some short arm kung fu training).
Another time, in another place, he was trying to protect me and got sucker punched again (the attacker threw a punch past the guy's girlfriend so it was hard to see coming) and knocked my friend's glasses off. He couldn't see who was who and in the dark and flashing lights, he couldn't figure out who to level.
The point is that you really need to train self-defense with an element of discovering a) what it feels like to be hit and b) learn how to ride the pain, get back up in the fight, and not just be down and out where the assailant has his choice of harms he might inflict on you.
Another friend of mine went to an MMA style dojo. They were pretty smug and they wanted to test him out a bit so they took his green belt and put him up against a high brown. The guy kicked my friend in the stones. There's a shot period where you recognize you are hit but the pain hasn't hit in yet. He grabbed the other guy by the ears and executed a full force head to head Scot's Kiss (headbutt) and the attacker hit the mat before my friend did.
Speed and violence are also key aspects close combat. Somebody else might have more training and better technique, but if you can get one good hit in, a lot of time that ends the fight. A good enough hit fast enough is better than a better strike too late.
One thing not discussed is the awareness you need to have to avoid these situations that start with you disadvantaged. That mindset and the alertness to avoid uncomfortable or risky situations is your first to use before any situation goes all violence and adrenalin.
Another fun and educational vid!
Hopefully, at the very least, such "self-defense hack" videos would put up disclaimers urging not to blindly follow what's shown in the video and learn martial arts for these tips to be useful. Might as well earn a few bucks from advertising gyms or dojos.
Sifu is like a huge love letter to Kung-Fu action flicks that also looks and plays nice. Hope you actually like it Seth )
Love these videos! And the sponser is suuuuper hard to play but so fun!
1:03 "Get in my guard, bro"
LMFAO so funny
The "Y Grip" wrist grab break is my favourite counter to wrist grabs in BJJ and Judo.
For the arm up thing, i usually pull the arm to my shoulder with the opponents hand at a 90° angle at the wrist and use my elbow on the other hand to go over the opponents arm and basically do a version of a stand armbar. I really don't know how to describe it correctly, but it works suprisingly well, once you learned how to do it
Which part of the video was that?9
@@kbanghart At 8:40 its a wrist grap escape
@@SebastianSchachner ok I appreciate it, I didn't want to search through the whole video lol. I was curious because we go over that a lot in my dojo. Mainly, we use the other hand to grab and hold, and then turn so they're forced to lose their grip, and maybe if you're lucky you can still have hold of their hand in an awkward situation, but most likely they probably let go and then try to attack you again maybe. Along with that, if you do have brief control of the hand, if you turn the hand pinky side upwards and force down, that'll bring a lot of pain to the wrist.
09:40 This one is pretty close to one we practice in my TKD class. We tend to aim more towards the neck than the jaw, though. It's definitely unpleasant, and works pretty well for just shoving someone away to create some distance.
Dude that hand fighting-to-kimora grip Mike does to fight the hands is super sick. I want to learn that.
Seems like it would be super useful in a real life scenario. I never see guys go for the standing kimora after fighting the hands in MMA though. Maybe its too easy to defend for people with bjj experience
The wrist grab break at 8:42 is in American Kenpo.
Like what Mike and Rokas said during their martial arts ranked for self-defense video, I have been very critical of the techniques I've been taught because a lot of it is either pure crap or just not useful in self-defense. This wrist grab break, though? I still stand by it. The hardest part is making sure that students know how to fight so they have good skills to use to follow up that grab break.
3:48 I do shotokan there is a technique like that you stop on foot in horse stance headbutt then knock out the wind by jumping into there gut then u turn and kick or elbow their face
Self defence tool kit is proper striking, breaking common grabs, and knowing weak points and how to use them most effectively. Combat arts contain those and more
Best self defense is to dodge the fight all together, after that how to break away and get out of there.
If you are locked in a fight then things have gone awry, especially if they outnumber you which is not too uncommon if it ever comes to this.
Finally So good to see someone, you guys keeping it real, thanks guys. Nothing worse that someone teaching something that Does Not Work. Ever notice when most of these are taught that the person lets them do what ever they want, not in the real world. Again Thank you!
This is actually pretty nifty. I've learned a few things since part of my job is (apparently) knowing how to deal with young people getting violent. Main things I've learned: 1) Best self-defense is not to be in that situation in the first place if you can help it. 2) If you end up in that situation anyway, then staying out of reach and putting an obstacle between you and the assailant is defense #1. 3) If you end up in reach, then the key is giving yourself the advantage of leverage over your opponent so you can get out of their hold, put them off balance, and give yourself a chance to either subdue or run away.
Obviously, we would probably not be putting random attackers in a hold, but I think at least a couple of the techniques we learn would be useful here. Our hand freeing techniques are basically what you showed, using the same leverage techniques. That one where you wrapped his arm and got him in the jaw with your forearm was half what we're taught to handle bites and half what we're taught to control one of the assailant's limbs in a way that makes us harder to hit.
Public school teacher?
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Mike is a master of disguise and that’s something that needs to be recognised
There are a lot of things to say, but the one i feel like i have to say is THE SCIATIC NERVE IS IN THE BACK OF THE THIGH.
Not that i think it would make any difference for the technique. But it bugged me
can you do a video on finding a good studio for realistic self defense? not the mystical journey/be your own hero crap, but the "there's no f***ing way I'm going in that trunk!" version.
I did canadian jujutsu for a number of years, and really it was a long time after that when I realized the relationship between two person kata and combat, or at least how it relates to me
I break down each part of the kata in isolation and use that information.
So while action A will often not lead to action B automatically, both actions may be legit. So a punch to the gut maybe bends the assailant over. If someone is bent over, you have an opportunity for a variety of throws. In kata you are working a punch to the gut with a throw, but they are independent of each other.
Of course, there is such a thing as bad kata.
Anyway that grip break reminds me of that
For the wrist lock ones which are good, I would still hit the face first to create a diversion (i.e. punch or palm strike to the nose) to then loosen the hand to make the escape from the wrist lock easier and more time to get away.
Love it when these two work together
Great discussions! Thankyou sirs!
Web in, web out, .... your guys reaction to web up was awesome and I lol'd a little too hard
Thanks for the videos my gf and both train /teach at the same school and we love watching your channel.
For a moment I thought I was watching Ramsey Dewey's channel.
95% of modern martial arts are based on the attacker standing there frozen in time while you execute your fancy maneuver.
Also, try following that vertical wrist grab release with a strike to the armpit. Not a whole lot of protection there and it's not pleasant. Not going to magically incapacitate anyone, but one of those unexpected "WTF did you just do to me?" things that distract and causes confusion. Could buy a few seconds to try another technique, or get away.
During my lifetime I stumbled over three videos in total showing real predatory criminals attacking women. Don't think self-defense teachings would have made any difference regarding the outcome.
Can u give an example?
@@kbanghart I saw those vids many years ago. Can't provide any links. Sorry. However, the women hadn't the slightest chance to defend themselves. Sad stuff.
I haven't seen a comment about this but my favourite part was that the "attacker" didn't knew how the "attacked" will react. Making it so mutch more natural and effective way of testing bechause there's no placebo effect of any measure
The skill where you push the hand up is a basic hapkido pull away but I do agree that the part after wouldn’t be affective
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I've recently started BJJ and I was watching the first technique like "I'm pretty sure I did this tech in my first BJJ class..." which was neat in that it's something that can work.
Then I saw the next few techniques and was like "aaaah, this is what I was expecting from this video..."
We do the wrist release. If you need a name for it we call it reverse the grip. There is also a little coaching bit where if the individual is to small or weak to pull their arm back. To instead step forward to get their arm in the right position 😁
Good to know what works or doesn't, as sometimes it might even be a life or death situation.
Did you football at university of Charleston in wv.?did u play for Kirkland? He also coached glenville state where I went b4... Like I have been non stop watching your channel since found it.was watching videos to try figure out what to start my 2 yr old girl in.
The truest form of fighting is honesty.
I have to jump in here and say; that is one of the most incredible thumbnails for a video I have ever seen
The simplest defenses are often the best. Namely, if you can and the situation is dire enough to require it, go for the eyes, that's the most reliable weak point of any human, no matter how much stronger they are, and even a child could do extreme damage there. The following pain and impairment will also make any follow-up from the attacker much more difficult for them. Any tricks relying on unbalancing the opponent are a lot less reliable and will ideally only buy you seconds, if we're being generous.
Good vid sensei keep it up.
Love how real y’all are keeping. Mad props fr
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Amazing work, and fun, great video
Although the one going at knee no work get your fingers under edge of knee cap. It does not injure but causes you to back off
8:02 “it was harder than I thought it would be” immediately that’s what she said!
Sifu kicked my butt when it first came out. Great game though. Was amazed by it's take on respawns.
3:01 i'm dying. I really am.
But before i go, just wanted to give my congratulations to Seth about 1:31 that was an awesome Takedown, i didn't know that you knew it.
The one with the grip if someones is violent even if u release the grip there will propably be a punch comming ur way
Elbow into chest is useless. Put fingers into his eye. Try that then come back. And why go for the sciatic nerve on thigh when you are so close to grabbing the balls? That’s TWO Master Wong techniques you should already know.
i really love these videos also just recently subscribes and just want to say keep up the good videos
@2:15 - That back elbow to the chest can work, but only if you follow thru with the strike with the intent to drop the person on their ass 6 ft. away from you. I actually did it when some goofball bearhugged me from behind back in Jr. High School.
That last one is the frame around which Gracie jui jitsu was based off of and sprung from
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I'd like you guys to try something for the rear, overarms bear hug, and see If it works.
It's in 3 steps.
Rear over arms bear hug.
Step 1. Drop body weight lifting arms to a framing position to one side or the other side.(fists closed).
Step 2. Side hammer fist to the neck. (Under the ear if possible).
Step 3. Sidekick to the stomach.
Step 4. Run like hell.
What do you guys think? Would that work?
2:48 Brutal combo by icy mike imma try it on grandpa when he gets home.
Chest punch?.....
That looked like a thrusting back elbow. 🤔
I like that you aim to teach women things that work for self defence. Debunking those that doesn't is a good start. Now...who are those lovely red heads with the slight facial hair issue?
8:44 im nit very good with this stuff, but after you have controle of the hand, would a snap kick be good there?
Basically all control can be broken, you just saw an example of it. I’ve done bjj sins 2012 and Gracie Combatives. You either stay close as a hug or all the way out (two arm lengths). If the aggressor has shown that he or she is determined by to do be bad enough to justify bodily harm I would tell a rookie to escape if possible and if not, the to smash them.
The nerves. The freeze/flight response is much higher than you'd think.