I’ll get a Non- Hybrid, barely better mpg, I don’t tow anything & I like all the backseat under seat storage. The hybrid has No storage under there due to battery. Plus the non Hybrid is a good bit cheaper.
@@chrisb9478 I get 25mpg in town with my hybrid and I don't drive in eco and I'm not the slightest on the throttle. The hybrid definitely gets betr gas mileage! Not like my wives RAV4 hybrid but still
I have just purchased a 2024 Tacoma iforce max TRD Sport Hybrid 4X4 and the power is just amazing! It passes other vehicles on the road and climbs hills so effortlessly like it has a much bigger engine under the hood. It also feels like a bigger truck while driving it. Towing capacity and rear seat room was not one of my requirements. I had the extra money to purchase it, and I have no regrets.
I bought same one TRD sport I force max 2024. Just like you towing or climbing mountains are not for me . Yes it is a powerful truck, looks nice… and I enjoy driving it so far!!! Already bought custom wheels and bigger tires A/T for it . Will put them in next spring.
1:42 I just traded in my 22 trd sport with 2” factory lift and larger tires and we parked my 24 trd sport hybrid right beside one another and they were the exact same height. Even the salesman couldn’t believe it
That’s awesome! Crazy to hear that they were the same size but I believe it. When I went from my 22 sr5 to my 24 offroad, the 24 felt like a half ton in comparison. And the hybrid has a taller tire than mine
It is! Crazy how they’ve almost completed an entire production model year and I haven’t seen a single sr 2 door and I’ve only seen 1 sr in person. That was the one I made the video of
@@jmpattillo yeah super weird. I guess they are probably trying to just put out as many of the “high volume” models as they can, since they got a slow start and didn’t have any tacos to sell for the first 2 months of the year😂
What will the hybrid version do for resale value? Will it bring it down because of complexity and battery replacement concerns, or will it keep better value because there are fewer of them?
That’s a great question. I think once they have high miles(150k+) there will potentially be an aspect of that. But on hybrid cars and what not they are still worth more because of the gas mileage benefit. Where these don’t have a gas mileage benefit it will be interesting to see.
So the TRD Off-Road iforce max comes with chin spoiler from the factory (seems like regular iforce does not have it installed)?? My question is are the EPA fuel numbers on both trucks reflected with one having the chin spoiler and one not?
That is correct. Max has the chin spoiler. Regular does not. That would mean the epa numbers are from Iforce with no chin spoiler and Iforce max with chin spoiler.
Is the bigger wheel on the hybrid to accommodate the bigger brakes for the heavier payload? That rings in my head as something I’ve seen or heard somewhere, but I may just be crazy.
Brakes are bigger, wheels are bigger diameter, different tires, rear differential is bigger on I-force Max. That’s from Lead Engineer on video I watched.
I heard the 24 pro has a faster acceleration off the line then the 24 hybrid off-road . Do you think this is true since they both have the same HP and torque?
So been looking at a tacoma but seen they're all hybrid now. So how does that work? Does it charge itself while driving or do i have to stop at a gas station and find someplace to plug it in too? Kind of getting turned off trying to figure out if it is to much of a pain now
It is kind of confusing. They are not all hybrid tho. The Tacomas come with 2 different powertrain options. You can get the good old fashioned non hybrid which is a 2.4L turbo 4 cylinder. So you just put gas in it and go. Or you can get the upgraded powertrain that is a hybrid. So that is a 2.4L turbo 4 cylinder with an electric motor attached to it. If you opt for the hybrid you don’t have to do anything extra. You don’t have to charge. It will recharge as the gas motor runs and as you drive around town. Hope that helps
@@counterfeitcowboy1362 yeah that helped thank you haha. Was looking around on the Internet for an answer and I don't know anyone with a hybrid to ask so was kind of lost over it
The 18 inch wheels are not so good as the 17 inch wheels for off-roading and for smoother riding. Another reason to get the regular I-Force non-hybrid model.
Personally, I'd only get the hybrid. Kinda like my 2002 tacoma. I purchased the trd supercharger for it brand new. $3000....worth every penny. It has 286,000 miles on it now and still runs like brand new! Just do the PM and last forever. I tow two quads(yamahas...raptor 700r, banshee, and warrior) on a trailer and one in the bed. Up to Coral Pink Sand Dunes and some land I own in the Rockies.
See forced induction isn’t all that bad😉 that is cool! That 02 sounds like an awesome truck! I’m thinking I may trade my 24 for the hybrid. After seeing this one lay down tire marks in a parking lot, I feel like that’s something I need in my life 😂
The hybrid I-Force Max models have 6,000 lb towing capacity while the I-Force can tow 6,500 lb. That plus the hybrid can beat the non hybrid by only a truck length on a 0-60mph test tells me that the extra $4800 is not worth buying the hybrid model. The EPA fuel rating has the hybrid getting only one mpg better fuel economy than the non hybrid. The hybrid model is not worth the extra money.
I think the one thing you may be forgetting is the amount of strain and therefore wear and tear taken off of the engine/ other systems by the electric system. It may only be marginal, and it won’t benefit every mechanical system, but it even a marginal improvement over tens of thousands of miles makes a big difference.
The product information system toyota gives to salesmen says mine (offroad, Iforce, 5’ bed, at) has a payload of 1610. It says the same setup but as a hybrid has a payload of 1706. So somehow it goes up. But if you look at towing, my truck tows 6400 and the hybrid version tows 6000. Very confusing 😂
Yes you can. Put it in sport mode turn traction control off and manually shift in first gear! Ask me how I know? 😋 I have one sitting in my driveway and already tried it
Yeah I’ve been thinking about doing that. I have a buddy with a supercharged 2nd gen, and then some other buddies with a stock 3rd gen and a supercharged 3rd gen. I’ve thought about doing a “world’s greatest drag race” type thing. And racing all of them
Yeah I mean I get that the turbo motor is more thirsty than a regular 4 cylinder. Just like the old v6 hybrid highlanders. When they turn on they use more fuel. But I feel like they could have made an ev mode or something so the gas motor wouldn’t turn on as easy
@@counterfeitcowboy1362 Or just used the electric motor to keep the gas motor out of boost more. No offense, but Ford’s Powerboost accomplished both power and efficiency. The 3.5 Powerboost is quick and get 3+ mpg better than the regular 3.5 Ecoboost.
@@davidchenette1091 I have a frontier and the screen is built into the normal flow of the dash, it doesn’t look like an aftermarket screen someone stuck on it.
@@counterfeitcowboy1362 It just boils down to the power plant; i.e. the 4-cylinder turbocharged/turbocruncher engine. You just can't feel good about a small engine with the increased reliability and maintenance problems of a turbocharger crammed into a heavier/beefier chassis. You can argue til hell freezes over that Toyota has proven this engine in other vehicles and that they've been using turbocharged technology for years but this new engine will never be as reliable and dependable compared to the V6 2GR-FKS engine. And also, this new engine will be overstrained and overworked in the short and long term which will result in increased engine/turbocharger failure. True, the outgoing V6 engine is not the best designed V6 on the planet but it is by far, will outlast, outperform (long-term), and out function ANY turbocharged power plant.
@@counterfeitcowboy1362 It just boils down to the power plant; i.e. the 4-cylinder turbocharged/turbocruncher engine. You just can't feel good about a small engine with the increased reliability and maintenance problems of a turbocharger crammed into a heavier/beefier chassis. You can argue til hell freezes over that Toyota has proven this engine in other vehicles and that they've been using turbocharged technology for years but this new engine will never be as reliable and dependable compared to the V6 2GR-FKS engine. And also, this new engine will be overstrained and overworked in the short and long term which will result in increased engine/turbocharger failure. True, the outgoing V6 engine is not the best designed V6 on the planet but it is by far, will outlast, outperform (long-term), and out function ANY turbocharged power plant.
It just boils down to the power plant; i.e. the 4-cylinder turbocharged/turbocruncher engine. You just can't feel good about a small engine with the increased reliability and maintenance problems of a turbocharger crammed into a heavier/beefier chassis. You can argue til hell freezes over that Toyota has proven this engine in other vehicles and that they've been using turbocharged technology for years but this new engine will never be as reliable and dependable compared to the V6 2GR-FKS engine. And also, this new engine will be overstrained and overworked in the short and long term which will result in increased engine/turbocharger failure. True, the outgoing V6 engine is not the best designed V6 on the planet but it is by far, will outlast, outperform (long-term), and out function ANY turbocharged power plant.
@@deantrainrlol give it time. Boosted applications are the new norm.. hell ford and BMW boost everything. Look at the 2020-2023 GT500s.. boosted and everyone tunes them and ups the boost and makes over 1000 horsepower and they’re dead nuts reliable. This little 5-6 pounds of boost this turbo is making is literally nothing. Haha
WOULD YOU SPEND THE EXTRA $3500 ON THE HYBRID OR GET THE GAS ONLY MODEL?
Hybrid
Hybrid is sitting in my driveway
I’ll get a Non- Hybrid, barely better mpg, I don’t tow anything & I like all the backseat under seat storage. The hybrid has No storage under there due to battery. Plus the non Hybrid is a good bit cheaper.
@@chrisb9478 I get 25mpg in town with my hybrid and I don't drive in eco and I'm not the slightest on the throttle. The hybrid definitely gets betr gas mileage! Not like my wives RAV4 hybrid but still
Non-Hybrid is sitting in my driveway. Plenty of pep and more towing than hybrid.
I have just purchased a 2024 Tacoma iforce max TRD Sport Hybrid 4X4 and the power is just amazing! It passes other vehicles on the road and climbs hills so effortlessly like it has a much bigger engine under the hood. It also feels like a bigger truck while driving it. Towing capacity and rear seat room was not one of my requirements. I had the extra money to purchase it, and I have no regrets.
That is awesome good for you. They really do drive so well! The power is awesome!
I bought same one TRD sport I force max 2024. Just like you towing or climbing mountains are not for me . Yes it is a powerful truck, looks nice… and I enjoy driving it so far!!! Already bought custom wheels and bigger tires A/T for it . Will put them in next spring.
So it does basic car stuff?
I drove one. The power delivery is perfect. And the new suspension is far superior to my 2020 v6 TRD off-road. Ordered one immediately.
This is exactly what I was looking for. Especially the drag race to compare. Thanks for that. Gonna go with a hybrid.
The hybrid is a blast! You’ll love it!
I drive them both.Bought the 2024 Frontier PRO4X.
1:42 I just traded in my 22 trd sport with 2” factory lift and larger tires and we parked my 24 trd sport hybrid right beside one another and they were the exact same height. Even the salesman couldn’t believe it
I just got mine today. Very excited to see the difference in driving it. The technology has come such a looong way on the new Tacomas
That’s awesome! Crazy to hear that they were the same size but I believe it. When I went from my 22 sr5 to my 24 offroad, the 24 felt like a half ton in comparison. And the hybrid has a taller tire than mine
That is one beautiful truck. I'm still waiting on the base SR 2 door models. I hope Toyota will have them in 2025. Great video as always.
It is! Crazy how they’ve almost completed an entire production model year and I haven’t seen a single sr 2 door and I’ve only seen 1 sr in person. That was the one I made the video of
And thank you for watching Norman you’re the best!
Yeah for some reason they are not making many Xtracabs now. There are maybe a twenty in the whole country
@@jmpattillo yeah super weird. I guess they are probably trying to just put out as many of the “high volume” models as they can, since they got a slow start and didn’t have any tacos to sell for the first 2 months of the year😂
You will only see more highly optioned, more expensive models on the lots for sale.
I have the iforce and it is fine for my Tacoma. Now next year when the 4 runner comes out which is heavier, I likely will get the iforce max model!
The max would move the extra weight no problem. I drove the Land Cruiser and it’s decent!
Nice review. Thanks
Thanks for watching!
What will the hybrid version do for resale value? Will it bring it down because of complexity and battery replacement concerns, or will it keep better value because there are fewer of them?
That’s a great question. I think once they have high miles(150k+) there will potentially be an aspect of that. But on hybrid cars and what not they are still worth more because of the gas mileage benefit. Where these don’t have a gas mileage benefit it will be interesting to see.
Great job comparing!!
Thank you!
So the TRD Off-Road iforce max comes with chin spoiler from the factory (seems like regular iforce does not have it installed)??
My question is are the EPA fuel numbers on both trucks reflected with one having the chin spoiler and one not?
That is correct. Max has the chin spoiler. Regular does not.
That would mean the epa numbers are from Iforce with no chin spoiler and Iforce max with chin spoiler.
I have yet to see a single review explaining anything under the hood. What's all that mess under there?
Hybrid is cool. We will see what aftermarket tune, intercooler, intake does for the regular truck. I think they'll be close
Yeah probably. I was wondering what it would take to get over 500 ft-lb torque. Probably not much seeing as it’s only 35 ft-lb away
Can you put regular gas on the iMAX or does it have take Premium gas?
Just like the regular Iforce, the recommended octane is 87
Is the bigger wheel on the hybrid to accommodate the bigger brakes for the heavier payload? That rings in my head as something I’ve seen or heard somewhere, but I may just be crazy.
@@zeroninehundred hmm that’s a good thought. Totally possible. The hybrid system weighs like 500 pounds so that is something they could have done
I just looked it up. On the hybrid models you get a 13.2” rear rotor vs a 12.2”. But it only upgrades the rears
@counterfeitcowboy1362 so you're saying I'm just crazy. Fair. 🤪
Thanks for fact-checking! 😅
lol only sightly. The brakes are bigger😉😂
Brakes are bigger, wheels are bigger diameter, different tires, rear differential is bigger on I-force Max. That’s from Lead Engineer on video I watched.
I haven’t been able to chirp my tires since 2nd gen. You’ve got me curious on these 4th gens now🤣
I knew it would rip but I didn’t expect it to lay rubber for 200 feet😂😂
I heard the 24 pro has a faster acceleration off the line then the 24 hybrid off-road . Do you think this is true since they both have the same HP and torque?
@@marioa2753 I’m not sure how it could. The power numbers are the same and the pro isn’t lighter. So that would be interesting if that was the case
So been looking at a tacoma but seen they're all hybrid now. So how does that work? Does it charge itself while driving or do i have to stop at a gas station and find someplace to plug it in too? Kind of getting turned off trying to figure out if it is to much of a pain now
It is kind of confusing. They are not all hybrid tho. The Tacomas come with 2 different powertrain options. You can get the good old fashioned non hybrid which is a 2.4L turbo 4 cylinder. So you just put gas in it and go.
Or you can get the upgraded powertrain that is a hybrid. So that is a 2.4L turbo 4 cylinder with an electric motor attached to it.
If you opt for the hybrid you don’t have to do anything extra. You don’t have to charge. It will recharge as the gas motor runs and as you drive around town.
Hope that helps
@@counterfeitcowboy1362 yeah that helped thank you haha. Was looking around on the Internet for an answer and I don't know anyone with a hybrid to ask so was kind of lost over it
I bought the land cruiser. I was told the hybrid setup is made for performance not efficiency.
That is correct
Does the iforce max perform better than the regular iforce gas in off-road? Or is it the same?
Nope, the iforce max can't go off road at all. The batteries prevent the Tacoma from driving on dirt roads, rocks, etc.
@@greggb681 Not true! The iForce max comes standard with the TRD Pro and Trail hunter designed specifically for the off-roading!
The 18 inch wheels are not so good as the 17 inch wheels for off-roading and for smoother riding. Another reason to get the regular I-Force non-hybrid model.
Personally, I'd only get the hybrid. Kinda like my 2002 tacoma. I purchased the trd supercharger for it brand new. $3000....worth every penny. It has 286,000 miles on it now and still runs like brand new! Just do the PM and last forever. I tow two quads(yamahas...raptor 700r, banshee, and warrior) on a trailer and one in the bed. Up to Coral Pink Sand Dunes and some land I own in the Rockies.
See forced induction isn’t all that bad😉 that is cool! That 02 sounds like an awesome truck! I’m thinking I may trade my 24 for the hybrid. After seeing this one lay down tire marks in a parking lot, I feel like that’s something I need in my life 😂
The hybrid I-Force Max models have 6,000 lb towing capacity while the I-Force can tow 6,500 lb. That plus the hybrid can beat the non hybrid by only a truck length on a 0-60mph test tells me that the extra $4800 is not worth buying the hybrid model. The EPA fuel rating has the hybrid getting only one mpg better fuel economy than the non hybrid. The hybrid model is not worth the extra money.
I'm curious what tuning would accomplish... its also not a 1/4 mile...
So so true
I think the one thing you may be forgetting is the amount of strain and therefore wear and tear taken off of the engine/ other systems by the electric system. It may only be marginal, and it won’t benefit every mechanical system, but it even a marginal improvement over tens of thousands of miles makes a big difference.
Where did you see the 0-60 between hybrid and non hybrid?
I like the way you think
Meanwhile most other truck manufacturers include tires better suited for off road conditions on models designated as off road trucks, Toyota fails.
What's the payload difference between yours and the hybrid?
The product information system toyota gives to salesmen says mine (offroad, Iforce, 5’ bed, at) has a payload of 1610. It says the same setup but as a hybrid has a payload of 1706. So somehow it goes up. But if you look at towing, my truck tows 6400 and the hybrid version tows 6000. Very confusing 😂
@@counterfeitcowboy1362 right, but that isn't the number the sticker on the drive side will reflect after options are added in.
The Off Road hybrid can tow 6,000 lbs max and the non hybrid Off Road can tow 6,500 lbs max
Heard your brakes will last extra long with hybrid
That is usually the case, yes 👍
If you turn on the brake hold will you be able to do a burnout
lol no that would be awesome tho! 😂 as soon as you push the gas it lets off the brake
Yes you can. Put it in sport mode turn traction control off and manually shift in first gear! Ask me how I know? 😋 I have one sitting in my driveway and already tried it
🔥🔥🔥
more drag races with them, a roll race too
Yeah I’ve been thinking about doing that. I have a buddy with a supercharged 2nd gen, and then some other buddies with a stock 3rd gen and a supercharged 3rd gen. I’ve thought about doing a “world’s greatest drag race” type thing. And racing all of them
I'm getting around 30mpg on my land cruiser 250
Wow that’s really good!
WV charges an extra $100 fee to register hybrids and EV, ostensibly to make up for gas tax.
holy crap, that bright red start button is hideous!!!
Another vehicle that I wouldn't want no matter how much you paid me
You also get bigger disk breaks with the hybrid
Sorry I might mean Rotors lol
Interesting I just looked it up. It gives you a 13.2” rear rotor vs a 12.2”. But it only upgrades the rears
@counterfeitcowboy1362 yeah it's odd .
Took ya to gapplebees lol
Yeah he did😂 even got a gapatizer
I'll get a RAM RHO for $75000.00 vs. $70000.00 for a toyota trd pro hybid. Thus are O-I-D prices.....
Engine. Gas Engine
Love mine you breath on gas pedal and your gone
Hybrid all the way 🙌
Someone find me a solar octane off-road premium hybrid!!!😂
I don’t understand why a hybrid system can’t be for both efficiency and performance.
Toyota just screwed it up.
Yeah I mean I get that the turbo motor is more thirsty than a regular 4 cylinder. Just like the old v6 hybrid highlanders. When they turn on they use more fuel. But I feel like they could have made an ev mode or something so the gas motor wouldn’t turn on as easy
@@counterfeitcowboy1362 Or just used the electric motor to keep the gas motor out of boost more.
No offense, but Ford’s Powerboost accomplished both power and efficiency. The 3.5 Powerboost is quick and get 3+ mpg better than the regular 3.5 Ecoboost.
It looks like somebody glued a TV to the dash
😂
Shouldnt chew gum while recording...
The tv screen in the middle is comically big and looks terrible.
When I heard they were putting that screen in the tacos I thought the same thing. But having one now I actually really like that screen
@@counterfeitcowboy1362 I just think they look totally out of place.
@@Commentleaver-c6x it is a lot for sure
I really like big screen now after having it for 3 months now
@@davidchenette1091 I have a frontier and the screen is built into the normal flow of the dash, it doesn’t look like an aftermarket screen someone stuck on it.
Neither.😳 Test drove a premium packaged Tacoma trd off-road and it wasn’t for me.🤷♂️🥱
Really? What didn’t you like about it?
@@counterfeitcowboy1362 It just boils down to the power plant; i.e. the
4-cylinder turbocharged/turbocruncher engine. You just can't feel good about a small engine with the increased reliability and maintenance problems of a turbocharger crammed into a heavier/beefier chassis. You can argue til hell freezes over that Toyota has proven this engine in other vehicles and that they've been using turbocharged technology for years but this new engine will never be as reliable and dependable compared to the V6 2GR-FKS engine. And also, this new engine will be overstrained and overworked in the short and long term which will result in increased engine/turbocharger failure. True, the outgoing V6 engine is not the best designed V6 on the planet but it is by far, will outlast, outperform (long-term), and out function ANY turbocharged power plant.
@@counterfeitcowboy1362 It just boils down to the power plant; i.e. the
4-cylinder turbocharged/turbocruncher engine. You just can't feel good about a small engine with the increased reliability and maintenance problems of a turbocharger crammed into a heavier/beefier chassis. You can argue til hell freezes over that Toyota has proven this engine in other vehicles and that they've been using turbocharged technology for years but this new engine will never be as reliable and dependable compared to the V6 2GR-FKS engine. And also, this new engine will be overstrained and overworked in the short and long term which will result in increased engine/turbocharger failure. True, the outgoing V6 engine is not the best designed V6 on the planet but it is by far, will outlast, outperform (long-term), and out function ANY turbocharged power plant.
It just boils down to the power plant; i.e. the
4-cylinder turbocharged/turbocruncher engine. You just can't feel good about a small engine with the increased reliability and maintenance problems of a turbocharger crammed into a heavier/beefier chassis. You can argue til hell freezes over that Toyota has proven this engine in other vehicles and that they've been using turbocharged technology for years but this new engine will never be as reliable and dependable compared to the V6 2GR-FKS engine. And also, this new engine will be overstrained and overworked in the short and long term which will result in increased engine/turbocharger failure. True, the outgoing V6 engine is not the best designed V6 on the planet but it is by far, will outlast, outperform (long-term), and out function ANY turbocharged power plant.
@@deantrainrlol give it time. Boosted applications are the new norm.. hell ford and BMW boost everything.
Look at the 2020-2023 GT500s.. boosted and everyone tunes them and ups the boost and makes over 1000 horsepower and they’re dead nuts reliable.
This little 5-6 pounds of boost this turbo is making is literally nothing. Haha