Nice comparison. I bought a new 2019 Super Tenere ES in the fall of 2020 for $16,500 out the door in Canada. Got Heated grips, centerstand, 32L side cases and shaft drive. No better deal out there. I ride primarily on road and this bike just munches the miles. 3 years on the road and only being able to ride 6 months a year and I'm at 80,000 trouble free km's. This bike is sneaky fast. It's faster from 0 - 170KPH then the KTM 1290 super Adventure, the Ducatti, the vstrom 1050 and the BMW 1250. Haven't raced a pan America yet. It's so much fun in the twisties and you get Yamaha reliability. It's the best, cheapest, most well equipped over 1000cc ADV bike on the market for the money, IMHO. Ride safe out there
@@Kramesor69 It is. The 1290 makes a lot of HP but only at high RPM’s. Despite the numbers on paper the Tenere has more Torque on the road from 0 to 170KPH. I’ve raced him 4 times, twice with me on my Tenere and twice with me on his KTM and all 4 times the Tenere is first to 170KPH regardless of who is riding it
Really thoughtful comparison. Well done sir. Although I do not agree with leaving the V-STROM 1050 out of the equation. Just rode mine from North Carolina to Alaska and back. 10K miles in 25 days. Flawless. A Japanese bike is my choice for crossing the Yukon Territory.
The V-Strom's engine design is now nearly 28 years old. Surely the oldest m'cycle engine still in current production? Still delivers the goods extremely reliably!
@@furr666 Not Gold Wing comfortable, but certainly not uncomfortable. A WindRider seat cover and a Puig touring windscreen really helped. A more comfortable bike would mean another 200lbs and not good for the Alaska Highway.
the fact that AT is being compared with many categories (from tenere 700, 900cc bikes and bigger bikes 1200cc and more) shows how much it manages to do almost everything. having owned one, i can confirm it also.
I put 40,000 miles on a 2012 super T with zero issues. Took the bike places it never should have been. Bashed the skid plate, dented front rim and the bike ate it all up. Also could keep up with sport bikes knee dragging in the mountains on 50/50 tires. Surprised A LOT of sport bikes when they didnt drop me in the twisties. Nothing but praise for the super T and after being off one for a few years im probably going to get another one. "outdated" is not a bad thing sometimes.
Japanese Engineering - exceptional ! Bought a new 2019 Super Tenere ES in 2020 . My wife & I ride it 2-up on up to one month tours and like our ST better than our previous bike, a 2006 Yamaha FJR-1300 . We even rode our ST off-road 2-up all over Moab and Southern Utah deserts in absolute comfort . Shaft drive - heaven ! Maintenance - easy ! Love this bike !👍👍👍
Nice review. I’ve owned a 2012 ST since 2014. It’s fully kitted and done some rough terrain in it’s day. Went down once hard but no damage thanks to Altrider crash bars. I’ve got everything done to it over the years. Ohlins rear, altrider crash and skid protection. Givi airflow windshield, ECU flash by Anthony C, yosh slip on. Gobi panniers, Rigid LED and Yamaha fogs, Russell day long and BMS Seats, heated grips, plus a few more extras. I still have front forks to do and a arrow headers for 10 more hp. But it can definitely be a handful off road. Engine seems to die up high but tractor tq down low. I never owned anything as long. Love love love the maintenance.
Excellent comparison, still doesn’t help me !!! LOL. I think I need to test ride to really decide but again thank you highlighting the difference and nice tip on the T700 at the end
Great review. I chose an ST ES. A very good deal kinda accelerated my plans, and I still have an exceptional V-Strom 1K (now for sale). The more I rode the ST, the more I liked it and understood it. It's really impressive. After a few thousand miles, I'm sure it's a keeper. It does the business. It can really be hustled, but can putter around really well. Super stable at speed, suspension settings easy and useful. Got an ECU flash that made the slight increase power and torque more even and reduced snatching, the response is improved in its (only) two riding modes...and it still gets 50mpg average. I put over 6K miles on the V-Strom, and did similar small mods, and it's a truly great bike. Both are reliability legends. But the ST really works for me.
Odd. Let’s admit that a bike is way less convenient than a car - comfort, weather protection, storage. You will readily give all that up to ride a bike. But you cannot be bothered to spend 5 minutes on a chain every 500 miles.
@@terrellgarren7125exactly, all of 30 seconds of spraying some chain lube. Or just don’t do it and replace your chain and sprockets every 30k miles (gasp) so unthinkable.
very honest comparative!! I live in Italy and here Super Ténéré is off the list because it does not comply with the latest pollution regulations... but I bought a used Super Ténéré: I love it even though Honda is more modern....
I haven't ridden the 19" AT, but regardless, I would go with the S10. Having owned an S10, I used it exactly as you described. And in that usage, it excelled as a touring machine with the occasional gravel or dirt road thrown in for good measure. It always amazes me at how well it handled the twisties. Finally, for me, the shaft drive's ease of maintenance is a huge plus.
Nice comparison video👍! I see the merits of the T7. At the end of the day ride what you like. As many have said before there is no perfect bike - no unicorn 2 wheeler. Get whatever checks the most boxes for you as a rider. ✌️
I bought a great condition 2012 Super Tenere for $4000 with 28,000 miles. Best bargain for the $$$ and it came with all the aftermarket goodies. I love the comfort and power.
I just really like the look of the Tenere, looks so designed by purpose, like nothing is there if it does not need to be there, please Yamaha update this bike! Talking about design, the new Stelvio looks the bomb, hopefully you can review it one day.
66,000 trouble-free miles on my 2015 SuperTenere ES. I bought it because I'm 6'4" and, with a custom seat, it fits me. ECU reflash was absolutely worthwhile. I'd buy a new one if Yamaha would update electronics. I don't find it hard to manage the size or weight at any speed. It's fine on gravel fs roads, great on long highway and backroad rides. 10 hour days are not uncomfortable for me. 48mpg average over thousands of miles.
I went down to grab an Africa Twin. Instead, I came home with a VFR1200X Crosstour. Only 5K on the clock, and half the price. Shaft drive, side and top bags, factory heated grips, that V4 omg! Reminds me so much of my V65 Sabre. I was also looking at a Super T with about 5k. The VFR has a creeper problem though. Creeps up to 20 over the speed limit if you look away for a few seconds!
I guess for me at this point I have tried and tried to do all with one bike... I'll take the T12 and a T7 for the cost of AT adv sports. One for touring and one for the BDRs with the boys👍🏼
Absolutely love my 2018 Super Ténéré ES, but I’m always looking at new options. The Africa Twin Adventure Sport seems like a worthy contender. I’m surprised how similar you found them. DCT is a neat party trick, but hardly a requirement unless you have a disability. Shaft is a tangible benefit. You need to be honest about your riding. The Super Ten eats highway miles with ease. All day rides need not be broken up. I’ve spent seven hours in the saddle with no issue. I take it in the dirt while respecting its limitations in my semi skilled hands. Crash bars have saved the soft bits a few times now. I like new tech, but I have CarPlay on my phone, so I don’t really need another screen. Maybe I’ll save the new bike payments for some new farckles on the Ten.
T12 would be my pick. I like the looks better than the circus like looks of the Honda. Shaft drive sounds wonderful to me as well as more road bias and better comfort.
This is a topic near and dear to me because I spent 6 months researching what adv bike to buy before ultimately getting a Super Tenere. First off, video was great. You really highlighted the bikes and explained the pros and cons very well. My two cents is that you didn’t acknowledge the used market on the Super Tenere. There is absolutely no reason to buy an ST brand new. The bike has not been updated since 2014. That’s the year it got cruise control, ES, digital dash and some tweaks to the Cam chain tensioner. You can find low mileage 2nd generation ST for under $8,000 USD all day. And they are usually farkled out with all the bits and bobs you need like crash bars, skid plate and luggage. Paying $16,000+ for a ST is a horrible idea. They are arguably the most reliable motorcycle ever made, lots of 200,000 mile examples on the Facebook groups and forums. I wouldn’t hesitate to buy a 50,000 mile tenere if the price was right. Now on to the Honda…my only comment is I just don’t know why anyone would buy a 19in wheel and chain drive combo. Worst of both worlds in my opinion. 19in wheel belongs with a shaft and 21in belongs with a chain…unless it’s a Tiger 1200 then 21 and shaft is a great niche market.
I love these big 270 crank twins. Both were on my list for a new street bike but I ended up going with a used Rebel 1100 DCT for less money and then set it up to be ergonomically comfortable for me. Wish it had shaft drive but otherwise it’s an amazing bike.
I own a 2012 Yamaha Super Tenere with 46k miles on her. She has been well maintained has a few aftermarket upgrades and needs nothing. I only wish she had a factory cruise control. I make do with an old fashioned throttle lock. Otherwise she has been an excellent motorcycle! Now that I am older, if I find a good deal on a 2017 and up model with factory cruise I may take the leap. DCT and shaft drive would be perfect! But then we would be talking about an off road capable Gold Wing… Right?
For what I want as an adventure bike I'll stick to my 82 VF 750 Magna with the sidecar. It will go wherever I want, it's shaft drive, I can chuck all my gear in the chair and it's a lot harder to drop. Plus I already own it.
(How's the family?) Great description, as always. I'd like you to do an after market exhaust comparison; it can make all the difference. My stock exhaust sounds and looks like a prop from a Vincnt Price Horror Movie; with the Muzzys it's good looking and sounds like the sporty bike it is. (2003 Z1000) Just a thought, but those 270inline twins are plenty enough to be a couriosity for many people. Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
There's really no "Verses" to deal with..... We've all got plenty of choices & no matter what we choose we've got endless aftermarket parts to get us to be able to ride w/ the "Intent" we envisioned for our self. I like both these bikes but I'd rather have two of a smaller choice in bikes. But it's each riders intent that ultimately will guide.... and money. That's what puts these 2 out of my arena but I am not sure I'd take them. Thanks for showing them, also I couldn't pick either of these up if I dropped them so intent is in my lack of physical ability as well. But it's all good, I can see doing this on a number of bikes & now I kinda see what you're intent is? peace
They were gonna hit me with $2100 for the aluminum side panniers/top case and center stand for the AT/AS. And I saw the Super Tenere 1200. Even in the black/granite it is still a good looking machine.
Spent many months recently dwelling on the multistrada as a swap for my 22 Africa twin standard. Whilst money wasn’t the only factor, I couldn’t reconcile on the Italian trade in value for the AT. Parked the idea for now - it’s not that it isn’t a great bike , still sharp in red livery and dct. Won’t be doing much two up, which was one of the main reasons for the swap. Review in the spring. (UK based)
I'm coming from 17 multistrada enduro, it is great bike but it is also a lemon 😂, my 6th gear failed at 46k km and the fix cost was almost 4k $, S10 is very reliable and will be way cheaper to maintain
Between the 2 the AT. I just bought a CFMoto 450 for off roading. I have a Yamaha Bolt 950 in Meddlin Colombia. This way I can keep both. If I woulve bought the AT I would have had to sell my city bike
Planning to head up to Algonquin finally.... in the next couple weeks. Had the F900GS on some dirt roads the other day. Wow... ate it up. Looked down and was north of 100 kph... not even in enduro! That's fast for me. I'm no speed demon.
Yamaha makes some great bikes. The only problem is once they put out great bikes like the Tenere and the VMax, they don't think it's necessary to do any upgrades. They just keep on putting out the same bike expecting people to buy it. Meanwhile, the other manufacturers like BMW, Ducati, Suzuki, Honda, Kawasaki continue to upgrade and innovate at least every three to five years. 13:01
I ran a totally reliable ST between 2011-17 for 20k+ miles before swapping it for a more powerful ( for 2up + luggage) Triumph Explorer. Earlier this year I sold a 2014 ES for the widow of a late friend & this bike had completed 42k miles, including 2 Iron Butt USA, & been left standing for nearly 4 years. After a good service & a little "fettling" it started first time, everything worked as it should do & it went to a happy new owner. Yamaha should be ashamed that they failed to develop this great bike to keep up with the times & competition.
When set on the most comfortable setting, which one would you say provides the most comfortable ride? I have a 2021 Super Tenere, and though I love the suspensions on most roads it feels like a magic carpet but when the bumps are a bit harsher, it isn't quite as compliant as I'd want it to be, is the Africa with ES better on rougher paved roads? Also, one thing I hate about the Africa is the valve check interval (and how expensive of a job it is).
The S10 has been discontinued in most markets. It also has a reputation as the bigliest of all bulletproof motors in the big adv class. I read an article where Yamaha pulled a rtw bike apart with 200k miles on it, and nothing inside was remotely worn. Instances of 300k miles + bikes with nothing except suspension items needed. Like fork seals and linkeages...
I'd take both to Around-the-World tour. In fact, at above 1000cc (500lb+ bikes): Honda AT, Suzuki Vstrom 1050, and Yamaha ST are the only bikes which I would take around the world tour. You will be hauling luggage of at least 50~70lb or more sometimes - so your off road capability really do not count. All that matters when you are tracking through plains of Mongolia, Himalaya or Andes mountainside, even jungles of Borneo is your baseline torque, rugged frame, and reliability of your bike (and don't ever forget spare tires...at least 2 of them).
Hello Sir! Thank you for your comparison video. If I may ask, from which dealer did you get the ATAS DCT here in Ontario? I booked my 2024 ATAS ES DCT at the Motorcycle Show @ Toronto in Feb 2024. Dealer initially said delivery will be in April then shifted to July. As of today, they are saying that delivery will be in Sep and it will be a 2025 model. Apparently Honda Canada did not send a 2024 ATAS DCT for Canada at all!
Biggest complaint with the Tenere is the incredibly snatchy throttle at lower RPMs, imho making the bike borderline unenjoyable in the twisties. But yes on the highway it rides like a train.
Of these two I'd go with the Yamaha, get an exhaust and ECU flash. Pick up easy 10 hp and chunk of torque. But overall, probably a V-Strom 800DE with similar mods.
Agree with the mods, but depends on what you’re using the bike for. The DE if you’re going off pavement more than road touring. Can’t compete 2-up with the S10.
800DE is near as equal power to weight ratio, but again like you said, if you're hauling 2-up or something similar, the bigger engine bikes have better torque for such things.
@@DifferentSpokesTV Japan thinks cruise control is a premium feature that should be relegated to their premium V-Strom 1050. Meanwhile, BMW put cruise control on their flagship S1000RR superbike in 2009.
At the moment and for the last 8 years I've been riding my KTM 990 SMT 2012, I love it and have done 50K miles but now on my tours I need a more planted and heavy ride because in high winds it is scary (bike is light but a little top heavy and heavier with me being 110kg and 6ft 5ins). In the past going back now to the late 1970's if I buy an Oriental bike it's Yamaha bikes 100% so I'm trying to buy the S10 (still keeping my SMT).
Neither, to be honest. No doubt they are great bikes for the long haul. But when I leave the roads I prefer something much more nimble. I'm trying to get an old XT550 or 600. Simple to fix, (relatively) light weight and capable off the beaten track. Nice review, tho :-)
Very good comparison👍🏾 I would like to consult with you for pick between African twins sport 2025 and yamaha super tenere 1200 2024 both manual I like in super tenere that it more sporty and shaft power transfer and and relaxed for long ride In African twins I like the electronics and usability of apple carplay bus you just roll out this myth😢 I am 1.82 m and around 100 kg using bike most of the time in road for long ride around the year, and for daily activity in city ... I have rent bmw gs 850 I like low central gravity but I don't like the maintenance cost of bmw locally and inforcment to reset after oil change even though I see thier App premium by all mean I have record all my trip So which lower gravity between both yamaha super tenere 1200 and honda African twins sport
I am upgrading from my 390A. Both bikes are good but leaning towards Tracer 9 or Tiger 900. Tiger looks more comfortable. Hope your baby is letting you get some sleep.
I have to disagree in one thing. Off-road, the SupetTen feels lees top heavy, making small correction easier and mistakes forgivable. Own one now but also owned a standard AT.
I have the 2024 AT Adventure Sports ES but I would have bought the Super Tenere just based off the shaft drive (bags being a bonus) if the Yamaha dealer where I live wasn't an actual crook.
Honda Ducati sounding?? Nah... I own a 1200s Monster S, and the L twin is not mistaken for an Africa Twin. Just saying. Having said that. The Honda is a nice, capable, and dependable bike.
Neither of those are even remotely interesting to me. I`m old(ish) at 66 and for me, it has to be old school. No electronics, and I can live with (and have) carbs. Around 7-800cc is enough, and horsepower can be in the 50 to 80 range. I do my maintenance and it is a part of this hobby so nothing that has to be taken to a shop for service is interesting. I might keep my old Vulcan to the end of my riding days, it has just 40 000km on the clock so there is plenty left. On the other hand it would be nice with a better (for my back) riding position so something smaller and more upright may tempt me. But for the rest of this season I´m good, my Kawa is like old and comfy shoes, it fits me perfectly.
Really would like the honda, but ended up with a desert x rally and couldn’t be happier….15,000 Kms and feel like the Ducati quality since VW stepped in is up there with honda…but I guess time will tell.
Nice comparison. I have a 2012 Super Tenere. Love it. It’s more capable off-road than most give it credit for. I’ve ridden BDR’s on it, no problem. Yamaha Super Tenere 1200 Getting Dirty ruclips.net/user/shorts44HSiP1_e24?feature=share
I still definitely want a Tenere 900. Having owned a Tracer for years and a Tenere 700... I loved my Tenere, but it kind of sucked at long rides lacking comfort and cruise control, but while you could change wheels on a Tracer it's never going to be a good adv bike. The Super Tenere, however, is just too big, heavy, and ponderous. I want the CP3 performance, and a sportier chassis with some ground clearance. I dunno if it'll ever happen, but God do I want it.
I always thought that Tenere 700 with 19 inch wheel and just a bit more conveniece for long distance touring (like cruise control) would have been the best below-1000CC tourer ever made. A Tenere 900 would be great. Though I know many would have a problem with 'just' 19 inch wheel, but it's just my dream. Hell, even T7 with 19 inch spoked wheel would be brilliant.
@@Throwaway-hj2rrsame here…I just want to have the 800DE with 19 at the front and tubeless wheels. Actually it’s doable upgrade with Bartubless or something similar plus an aftermarket cruise control. The problem is that you need to buy it, modify it and then decide if it works.
Having spent a lot of time on both on multiple BDRs, the super Tenere is an awful bike. Wind buffeting like crazy, heavy as hell, no faster than the AT, 590lb before luggage. Try moving the super tenere around the showroom floor first, unless you’re 6’4 it’s awful.
Nice comparison. I bought a new 2019 Super Tenere ES in the fall of 2020 for $16,500 out the door in Canada. Got Heated grips, centerstand, 32L side cases and shaft drive. No better deal out there. I ride primarily on road and this bike just munches the miles. 3 years on the road and only being able to ride 6 months a year and I'm at 80,000 trouble free km's. This bike is sneaky fast. It's faster from 0 - 170KPH then the KTM 1290 super Adventure, the Ducatti, the vstrom 1050 and the BMW 1250. Haven't raced a pan America yet. It's so much fun in the twisties and you get Yamaha reliability.
It's the best, cheapest, most well equipped over 1000cc ADV bike on the market for the money, IMHO.
Ride safe out there
Now is 20 grand plus tax.
Is it really faster to 170kph than 1290? Those things have a lot of hp
@@Kramesor69
It is.
The 1290 makes a lot of HP but only at high RPM’s.
Despite the numbers on paper the Tenere has more Torque on the road from 0 to 170KPH.
I’ve raced him 4 times, twice with me on my Tenere and twice with me on his KTM and all 4 times the Tenere is first to 170KPH regardless of who is riding it
Really thoughtful comparison. Well done sir. Although I do not agree with leaving the V-STROM 1050 out of the equation. Just rode mine from North Carolina to Alaska and back. 10K miles in 25 days. Flawless. A Japanese bike is my choice for crossing the Yukon Territory.
The V-Strom's engine design is now nearly 28 years old. Surely the oldest m'cycle engine still in current production? Still delivers the goods extremely reliably!
How comfortable was that upright seating position?.... like did you have to mentally tough it out or was it truly a very comfortable ride in general?
@@furr666 Not Gold Wing comfortable, but certainly not uncomfortable. A WindRider seat cover and a Puig touring windscreen really helped. A more comfortable bike would mean another 200lbs and not good for the Alaska Highway.
@@terrellgarren7125 Thanks. Do you ride the Honda or the Yam?
@@furr666 V-STROM 1050XT
the fact that AT is being compared with many categories (from tenere 700, 900cc bikes and bigger bikes 1200cc and more) shows how much it manages to do almost everything.
having owned one, i can confirm it also.
I put 40,000 miles on a 2012 super T with zero issues. Took the bike places it never should have been. Bashed the skid plate, dented front rim and the bike ate it all up. Also could keep up with sport bikes knee dragging in the mountains on 50/50 tires. Surprised A LOT of sport bikes when they didnt drop me in the twisties. Nothing but praise for the super T and after being off one for a few years im probably going to get another one. "outdated" is not a bad thing sometimes.
Japanese Engineering - exceptional !
Bought a new 2019 Super Tenere ES in 2020 . My wife & I ride it 2-up on up to one month tours and like our ST better than our previous bike, a 2006 Yamaha FJR-1300 .
We even rode our ST off-road 2-up all over Moab and Southern Utah deserts in absolute comfort . Shaft drive - heaven ! Maintenance - easy ! Love this bike !👍👍👍
Nice review. I’ve owned a 2012 ST since 2014. It’s fully kitted and done some rough terrain in it’s day. Went down once hard but no damage thanks to Altrider crash bars. I’ve got everything done to it over the years. Ohlins rear, altrider crash and skid protection. Givi airflow windshield, ECU flash by Anthony C, yosh slip on. Gobi panniers, Rigid LED and Yamaha fogs, Russell day long and BMS Seats, heated grips, plus a few more extras. I still have front forks to do and a arrow headers for 10 more hp. But it can definitely be a handful off road. Engine seems to die up high but tractor tq down low. I never owned anything as long. Love love love the maintenance.
Yeah, and it doesn’t break down so you don’t have an excuse to buy a new bike.
Excellent comparison, still doesn’t help me !!! LOL. I think I need to test ride to really decide but again thank you highlighting the difference and nice tip on the T700 at the end
Eeks, that logging truck! 😮 Great video, as always. 😊
Yeah, when they go by there’s a good 20 seconds of blindness till the dust settles.
Great review. I chose an ST ES. A very good deal kinda accelerated my plans, and I still have an exceptional V-Strom 1K (now for sale). The more I rode the ST, the more I liked it and understood it. It's really impressive. After a few thousand miles, I'm sure it's a keeper. It does the business. It can really be hustled, but can putter around really well. Super stable at speed, suspension settings easy and useful. Got an ECU flash that made the slight increase power and torque more even and reduced snatching, the response is improved in its (only) two riding modes...and it still gets 50mpg average. I put over 6K miles on the V-Strom, and did similar small mods, and it's a truly great bike. Both are reliability legends. But the ST really works for me.
Two very similar, but in the same time different bikes. Would pick the Yamaha in this case. A very nice video. Like always... well done.
I really, really love the shaft drive. I don’t want to deal with chain maintenance mid trip.
Odd. Let’s admit that a bike is way less convenient than a car - comfort, weather protection, storage. You will readily give all that up to ride a bike. But you cannot be bothered to spend 5 minutes on a chain every 500 miles.
@@terrellgarren7125exactly, all of 30 seconds of spraying some chain lube. Or just don’t do it and replace your chain and sprockets every 30k miles (gasp) so unthinkable.
@@terrellgarren7125 I do not want to carry chain lube with me! Weight and space are at a premium on a motorcycle.
@@raulsalanaranjo6565 Yes, there is absolutely no room for a 4oz can of lube. Skip one biscuit for breakfast, and you've made up the weight.
@raulsalanaranjo6565 it's like a quarter lb
very honest comparative!!
I live in Italy and here Super Ténéré is off the list because it does not comply with the latest pollution regulations... but I bought a used Super Ténéré: I love it even though Honda is more modern....
I wish the Super Ten 1200 was still available in Europe. 😢
I haven't ridden the 19" AT, but regardless, I would go with the S10. Having owned an S10, I used it exactly as you described. And in that usage, it excelled as a touring machine with the occasional gravel or dirt road thrown in for good measure. It always amazes me at how well it handled the twisties. Finally, for me, the shaft drive's ease of maintenance is a huge plus.
Nice comparison video👍! I see the merits of the T7.
At the end of the day ride what you like. As many have said before there is no perfect bike - no unicorn 2 wheeler. Get whatever checks the most boxes for you as a rider. ✌️
I bought a great condition 2012 Super Tenere for $4000 with 28,000 miles. Best bargain for the $$$ and it came with all the aftermarket goodies. I love the comfort and power.
I just really like the look of the Tenere, looks so designed by purpose, like nothing is there if it does not need to be there, please Yamaha update this bike!
Talking about design, the new Stelvio looks the bomb, hopefully you can review it one day.
Both are amazing machines. I too only ever buy Japanese bikes, currently have 5 - 4 Hondas and a Yamaha. Will never buy any other brand.
66,000 trouble-free miles on my 2015 SuperTenere ES. I bought it because I'm 6'4" and, with a custom seat, it fits me. ECU reflash was absolutely worthwhile. I'd buy a new one if Yamaha would update electronics. I don't find it hard to manage the size or weight at any speed. It's fine on gravel fs roads, great on long highway and backroad rides. 10 hour days are not uncomfortable for me. 48mpg average over thousands of miles.
I went down to grab an Africa Twin. Instead, I came home with a VFR1200X Crosstour. Only 5K on the clock, and half the price. Shaft drive, side and top bags, factory heated grips, that V4 omg! Reminds me so much of my V65 Sabre. I was also looking at a Super T with about 5k. The VFR has a creeper problem though. Creeps up to 20 over the speed limit if you look away for a few seconds!
I guess for me at this point I have tried and tried to do all with one bike... I'll take the T12 and a T7 for the cost of AT adv sports. One for touring and one for the BDRs with the boys👍🏼
Both are great bikes. I had the S10. Crashed and looking to buy another. The Yamaha is a very underrated bike and great value for money.
Absolutely love my 2018 Super Ténéré ES, but I’m always looking at new options. The Africa Twin Adventure Sport seems like a worthy contender. I’m surprised how similar you found them. DCT is a neat party trick, but hardly a requirement unless you have a disability. Shaft is a tangible benefit.
You need to be honest about your riding. The Super Ten eats highway miles with ease. All day rides need not be broken up. I’ve spent seven hours in the saddle with no issue. I take it in the dirt while respecting its limitations in my semi skilled hands. Crash bars have saved the soft bits a few times now.
I like new tech, but I have CarPlay on my phone, so I don’t really need another screen. Maybe I’ll save the new bike payments for some new farckles on the Ten.
Nice review! Thanks! I sat on the SuperTenere at the Toronto show...nice bike....and cheaper for sure.... but it didn't win my heart.
I’d love to see an update like the new Tiger 1200.
I have a 4 year old Super Tenere with 100,000 km and counting.
Most comfortable bike I’ve ever ridden.
It’s nothing to do 1300km every day.
A better comparison might be the Yamaha Super Tenere & Honda Crosstourer. Both Adventure Tourers with shaftdrive & 1200CC.
It’s a comparison of current UJM big ADV’s. Crosstourer was discontinued after 2021
You are right. I just got a crosstourer. I was looking at a slightly used Super T also. Came down to which dealer I was at when I was ready to buy.
T12 would be my pick. I like the looks better than the circus like looks of the Honda. Shaft drive sounds wonderful to me as well as more road bias and better comfort.
This is a topic near and dear to me because I spent 6 months researching what adv bike to buy before ultimately getting a Super Tenere.
First off, video was great. You really highlighted the bikes and explained the pros and cons very well. My two cents is that you didn’t acknowledge the used market on the Super Tenere. There is absolutely no reason to buy an ST brand new. The bike has not been updated since 2014. That’s the year it got cruise control, ES, digital dash and some tweaks to the Cam chain tensioner.
You can find low mileage 2nd generation ST for under $8,000 USD all day. And they are usually farkled out with all the bits and bobs you need like crash bars, skid plate and luggage. Paying $16,000+ for a ST is a horrible idea. They are arguably the most reliable motorcycle ever made, lots of 200,000 mile examples on the Facebook groups and forums. I wouldn’t hesitate to buy a 50,000 mile tenere if the price was right.
Now on to the Honda…my only comment is I just don’t know why anyone would buy a 19in wheel and chain drive combo. Worst of both worlds in my opinion. 19in wheel belongs with a shaft and 21in belongs with a chain…unless it’s a Tiger 1200 then 21 and shaft is a great niche market.
Thanks for the review. I have seen both bikes and like their looks. I’ve ridden my neighbour’s V-Strom, lots of fun.
Africa twin - hands down. Looks unreal and the DCT is supernatural; as is Honda quality (Yammie qual good too though).
I love these big 270 crank twins. Both were on my list for a new street bike but I ended up going with a used Rebel 1100 DCT for less money and then set it up to be ergonomically comfortable for me. Wish it had shaft drive but otherwise it’s an amazing bike.
I own a 2012 Yamaha Super Tenere with 46k miles on her. She has been well maintained has a few aftermarket upgrades and needs nothing. I only wish she had a factory cruise control. I make do with an old fashioned throttle lock. Otherwise she has been an excellent motorcycle!
Now that I am older, if I find a good deal on a 2017 and up model with factory cruise I may take the leap.
DCT and shaft drive would be perfect!
But then we would be talking about an off road capable Gold Wing… Right?
For what I want as an adventure bike I'll stick to my 82 VF 750 Magna with the sidecar. It will go wherever I want, it's shaft drive, I can chuck all my gear in the chair and it's a lot harder to drop. Plus I already own it.
(How's the family?) Great description, as always. I'd like you to do an after market exhaust comparison; it can make all the difference. My stock exhaust sounds and looks like a prop from a Vincnt Price Horror Movie; with the Muzzys it's good looking and sounds like the sporty bike it is. (2003 Z1000) Just a thought, but those 270inline twins are plenty enough to be a couriosity for many people. Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada.
If I was gonna go full size adventure touring, would probably get another Vstrom 1050DE.
There's really no "Verses" to deal with..... We've all got plenty of choices & no matter what we choose we've got endless aftermarket
parts to get us to be able to ride w/ the "Intent" we envisioned for our self. I like both these bikes but I'd rather have two of a smaller
choice in bikes. But it's each riders intent that ultimately will guide.... and money. That's what puts these 2 out of my arena but I am
not sure I'd take them. Thanks for showing them, also I couldn't pick either of these up if I dropped them so intent is in my lack of
physical ability as well. But it's all good, I can see doing this on a number of bikes & now I kinda see what you're intent is? peace
They were gonna hit me with $2100 for the aluminum side panniers/top case and center stand for the AT/AS. And I saw the Super Tenere 1200. Even in the black/granite it is still a good looking machine.
Spent many months recently dwelling on the multistrada as a swap for my 22 Africa twin standard. Whilst money wasn’t the only factor, I couldn’t reconcile on the Italian trade in value for the AT. Parked the idea for now - it’s not that it isn’t a great bike , still sharp in red livery and dct. Won’t be doing much two up, which was one of the main reasons for the swap. Review in the spring. (UK based)
I'm coming from 17 multistrada enduro, it is great bike but it is also a lemon 😂, my 6th gear failed at 46k km and the fix cost was almost 4k $, S10 is very reliable and will be way cheaper to maintain
Which one has the least vibration ? Can't do vibby bikes do to medical problems in hands and feet.
Between the 2 the AT. I just bought a CFMoto 450 for off roading. I have a Yamaha Bolt 950 in Meddlin Colombia. This way I can keep both. If I woulve bought the AT I would have had to sell my city bike
Planning to head up to Algonquin finally.... in the next couple weeks. Had the F900GS on some dirt roads the other day. Wow... ate it up. Looked down and was north of 100 kph... not even in enduro! That's fast for me. I'm no speed demon.
Yamaha makes some great bikes. The only problem is once they put out great bikes like the Tenere and the VMax, they don't think it's necessary to do any upgrades. They just keep on putting out the same bike expecting people to buy it. Meanwhile, the other manufacturers like BMW, Ducati, Suzuki, Honda, Kawasaki continue to upgrade and innovate at least every three to five years. 13:01
I ran a totally reliable ST between 2011-17 for 20k+ miles before swapping it for a more powerful ( for 2up + luggage) Triumph Explorer. Earlier this year I sold a 2014 ES for the widow of a late friend & this bike had completed 42k miles, including 2 Iron Butt USA, & been left standing for nearly 4 years. After a good service & a little "fettling" it started first time, everything worked as it should do & it went to a happy new owner. Yamaha should be ashamed that they failed to develop this great bike to keep up with the times & competition.
When set on the most comfortable setting, which one would you say provides the most comfortable ride? I have a 2021 Super Tenere, and though I love the suspensions on most roads it feels like a magic carpet but when the bumps are a bit harsher, it isn't quite as compliant as I'd want it to be, is the Africa with ES better on rougher paved roads? Also, one thing I hate about the Africa is the valve check interval (and how expensive of a job it is).
I'm still undecided leaning towards tannery, but I haven't decided yet to leave the KTM 1290r out of it
The S10 has been discontinued in most markets.
It also has a reputation as the bigliest of all bulletproof motors in the big adv class.
I read an article where Yamaha pulled a rtw bike apart with 200k miles on it, and nothing inside was remotely worn.
Instances of 300k miles + bikes with nothing except suspension items needed. Like fork seals and linkeages...
I am not into adventure bikes but if I were I would choose the new Srelvio.
Yes, that thing looks super nice.
Which one would you get today if the yamaha was on sale fro $13500 and the honda DCT ES for $16999?
I'd take both to Around-the-World tour. In fact, at above 1000cc (500lb+ bikes): Honda AT, Suzuki Vstrom 1050, and Yamaha ST are the only bikes which I would take around the world tour. You will be hauling luggage of at least 50~70lb or more sometimes - so your off road capability really do not count. All that matters when you are tracking through plains of Mongolia, Himalaya or Andes mountainside, even jungles of Borneo is your baseline torque, rugged frame, and reliability of your bike (and don't ever forget spare tires...at least 2 of them).
ST seems a biy pricey given it's been in production since 2010.
Hello Sir! Thank you for your comparison video. If I may ask, from which dealer did you get the ATAS DCT here in Ontario? I booked my 2024 ATAS ES DCT at the Motorcycle Show @ Toronto in Feb 2024. Dealer initially said delivery will be in April then shifted to July. As of today, they are saying that delivery will be in Sep and it will be a 2025 model. Apparently Honda Canada did not send a 2024 ATAS DCT for Canada at all!
Biggest complaint with the Tenere is the incredibly snatchy throttle at lower RPMs, imho making the bike borderline unenjoyable in the twisties. But yes on the highway it rides like a train.
I felt the same when I rode the ST. It was one of the very first versions, so no idea if they have fixed the throttle in the newer bikes.
Agreed snatchy throttle in sport mode. Touring is lazy, ecu flash fixes the problem apparently.
I didn’t find that on the one that I rode but some people complaining about that on shaft driven bikes.
ECU reflash truly fixed this on mine. Also, appreciable gain in power.
I believe that was the NX 500 at the 5:50 mark.
Ha! Good call. I must have had that clip in queue in there and accidentally put it in.
Of these two I'd go with the Yamaha, get an exhaust and ECU flash. Pick up easy 10 hp and chunk of torque.
But overall, probably a V-Strom 800DE with similar mods.
Agree with the mods, but depends on what you’re using the bike for. The DE if you’re going off pavement more than road touring. Can’t compete 2-up with the S10.
800DE is near as equal power to weight ratio, but again like you said, if you're hauling 2-up or something similar, the bigger engine bikes have better torque for such things.
Yes, the Suzuki just needs cruise control.
@@DifferentSpokesTV Japan thinks cruise control is a premium feature that should be relegated to their premium V-Strom 1050. Meanwhile, BMW put cruise control on their flagship S1000RR superbike in 2009.
At the moment and for the last 8 years I've been riding my KTM 990 SMT 2012, I love it and have done 50K miles but now on my tours I need a more planted and heavy ride because in high winds it is scary (bike is light but a little top heavy and heavier with me being 110kg and 6ft 5ins). In the past going back now to the late 1970's if I buy an Oriental bike it's Yamaha bikes 100% so I'm trying to buy the S10 (still keeping my SMT).
Neither, to be honest. No doubt they are great bikes for the long haul. But when I leave the roads I prefer something much more nimble. I'm trying to get an old XT550 or 600. Simple to fix, (relatively) light weight and capable off the beaten track.
Nice review, tho :-)
Very good comparison👍🏾
I would like to consult with you for pick between African twins sport 2025 and yamaha super tenere 1200 2024 both manual
I like in super tenere that it more sporty and shaft power transfer and and relaxed for long ride
In African twins I like the electronics and usability of apple carplay bus you just roll out this myth😢
I am 1.82 m and around 100 kg using bike most of the time in road for long ride around the year, and for daily activity in city ...
I have rent bmw gs 850 I like low central gravity but I don't like the maintenance cost of bmw locally and inforcment to reset after oil change even though I see thier App premium by all mean I have record all my trip
So which lower gravity between both yamaha super tenere 1200 and honda African twins sport
I am upgrading from my 390A. Both bikes are good but leaning towards Tracer 9 or Tiger 900. Tiger looks more comfortable.
Hope your baby is letting you get some sleep.
The Tracer is definitely a small sport bike feel. The feet behind the knees counted it out for me.
Thanks! Some nights I get to sleep, some nights not so much. The Tracer and Tiger are both good choices but the Triumph will be better off road.
I'm currently looking at the Moto Guzzi V85TT. Ride safe.
That is the only middleweight bike with a shaft drive.
*cries in Suzuki VStrom 1050*
Pretty happy with my 2018 klr650 lol
Great video.
I have to disagree in one thing. Off-road, the SupetTen feels lees top heavy, making small correction easier and mistakes forgivable. Own one now but also owned a standard AT.
I will stick to my T7 thanks. It an do everything these big bikes can do.
I have the 2024 AT Adventure Sports ES but I would have bought the Super Tenere just based off the shaft drive (bags being a bonus) if the Yamaha dealer where I live wasn't an actual crook.
YAMAHA ❤❤❤
Honda Ducati sounding?? Nah... I own a 1200s Monster S, and the L twin is not mistaken for an Africa Twin. Just saying.
Having said that. The Honda is a nice, capable, and dependable bike.
Between these two I choose Vstrom 1050!
Neither of those are even remotely interesting to me. I`m old(ish) at 66 and for me, it has to be old school. No electronics, and I can live with (and have) carbs. Around 7-800cc is enough, and horsepower can be in the 50 to 80 range. I do my maintenance and it is a part of this hobby so nothing that has to be taken to a shop for service is interesting. I might keep my old Vulcan to the end of my riding days, it has just 40 000km on the clock so there is plenty left. On the other hand it would be nice with a better (for my back) riding position so something smaller and more upright may tempt me. But for the rest of this season I´m good, my Kawa is like old and comfy shoes, it fits me perfectly.
Shaaaaft. The last thing I want to think about after 500 miles day is chain. It is have mule to push around. Not for weak one.
Really would like the honda, but ended up with a desert x rally and couldn’t be happier….15,000 Kms and feel like the Ducati quality since VW stepped in is up there with honda…but I guess time will tell.
I can guarantee you that Ducati and Honda quality will never be on equal terms.
That 1200 engine should be used in other bikes….
i go for super tenere
Nice comparison. I have a 2012 Super Tenere. Love it. It’s more capable off-road than most give it credit for. I’ve ridden BDR’s on it, no problem.
Yamaha Super Tenere 1200 Getting Dirty
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I still definitely want a Tenere 900. Having owned a Tracer for years and a Tenere 700... I loved my Tenere, but it kind of sucked at long rides lacking comfort and cruise control, but while you could change wheels on a Tracer it's never going to be a good adv bike.
The Super Tenere, however, is just too big, heavy, and ponderous. I want the CP3 performance, and a sportier chassis with some ground clearance.
I dunno if it'll ever happen, but God do I want it.
I always thought that Tenere 700 with 19 inch wheel and just a bit more conveniece for long distance touring (like cruise control) would have been the best below-1000CC tourer ever made. A Tenere 900 would be great. Though I know many would have a problem with 'just' 19 inch wheel, but it's just my dream. Hell, even T7 with 19 inch spoked wheel would be brilliant.
@@Throwaway-hj2rrsame here…I just want to have the 800DE with 19 at the front and tubeless wheels. Actually it’s doable upgrade with Bartubless or something similar plus an aftermarket cruise control. The problem is that you need to buy it, modify it and then decide if it works.
I’d love to see that as well but if Yamaha is working on one they’re tight lipped about it.
Having spent a lot of time on both on multiple BDRs, the super Tenere is an awful bike. Wind buffeting like crazy, heavy as hell, no faster than the AT, 590lb before luggage. Try moving the super tenere around the showroom floor first, unless you’re 6’4 it’s awful.
WOW THE DASH ON THE YAMAHA LOOKS LIKE A 1980'S CASIO WATCH ..WAY TO CHEAP OUT WTF
Chain cleaning 👎
I find all ADVs to be plasticky, eletrogimicky, overpriced & buttugly, so neither, thanks....
Bikes with no chrome are ugly and look cheap. I own 5 motorcycles and they all look better than the yamaha in this video.