I agree with those for sure. I'd add: rear ABS resets every time you turn the key on and off, weak factory handguards (your sw-motech look great), windshield adjuster should be one handed.
@georgediakodimitris4805 any company with share holders is all about profit! I bought a 2021 crf1100L dct in 2023 for 12k. I have put another 5k into her! Denali lights, sargent seat, altrider and touratech goodies! All to make her the proper bike I had in my mind! Now if Honda did the same, the quality of the parts may not be the best, like bmw crash bars(they bend)! I'm very happy with my bike, she will last me to retirement!
Each of the five “complaints” is not only warranted, it’s baffling a company like Honda has allowed these issues to fall through the cracks. I’ll add another, more of a quibble than a complaint: Offering a relatively expensive bike in one color/graphic configuration is just wonky marketing. Don’t need a full spectrum of fancy colors but heck . . . at least subtle or not so subtle wouldn’t hurt.
Listen the paint job matters. If the colors are crap the bikes dont sell its that simple. The better a company is at making their bikes not ugly is a big deal. Same with ease of maintinance.
I personally like that the switchgear isn’t lit. I don’t like any additional light, especially on a night. I mean who looks down at your switchgear when riding anyway? And the heat off the fans, in Britain we like this 90% of the year 😅
The lower deflectors I have on my 2024 standard bike are fitted to the rear portion of the radiator tank area. We haven’t had any really hot days in the UK so far, but I also can say I’ve never notice my legs getting hot. Have another look at the Honda lower deflectors, they may make a difference for you. What I wish Honda changed with my bike, the cruise only works 30mph and above, in 4th gear or higher. This is odd compared to many other manufacturers, which work at 20 mph and above, and in lower gears. Here in the UK, our speed limits range from 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 and 70 mph, I use the cruise to keep me legal in the lower speed limits, if road conditions allow. What would be very useful, as fitted to most cars these days, is a changeable speed limiter, so you can set to any specific speed, say as an example, if your in a 20 mph limit, and then concentrate on looking at the road and hazards, and not having to be fixated on the speed. Backlit handle bar buttons definitely. Adaptive cruise please. Centre stand as standard.
@@adventureundone they are behind, not in front of the radiator. I don't have them yet, but I'm 1000% sure of it. Honda's videos show them behind, as. So do the pictures on Honda
Really like your channel - please add an addendum to this list. Comment on Honda’s missing OEM parts - upper and lower wind deflectors, aux lights, etc. Also much confusion on whether center stand and crash bars will fit 2024. Amateurish roll out of the 2024 model
i have a 2023 ATAS which is nice, but cannot tolerate the seat, after an 1.5 hour of riding it starts getting uncomfortable to the point of shifting my butt to the back seat, very frustrating this makes the ride not as enjoyable as it should be, i thought about getting a different seat but hesitant to play that game (crap shoot ) finding the right seat. I was looking for an adventure bike that could be pleasurable on long ride and found disappointment instead, i had the chance to try a BMW R1250 GS, and oh my gosh what a bike the comfort was like day and night, my Africa is now for sale.
I was looking at swapping in my GSA for one of these. As you say, QS extra/Centre stand extra/ dongle needed for wireless carplay/ no hill hold assist/ heated seat option. It just seemed to me it wasnt quite there with the current competitors. I know they have just updated it but I get the feeling there may be major changes ahead. I think the display needs updating too. Still the best looking ADV in my opinion though
I like the bronze forks. It's a color transition from the wheel to the frame. If they were the gold color, then the whole front wheel assembly would look like it was stuck on. And, they would need to pick up that gold color on the frame somewhere to integrate. There are already 5 colors on the frame. If you want to change something, then the wheels could be black or dark blue. But really, it's a smart color scheme overall. I would keep it as is.
Complaining about something being standard is non-sensical, if they made it standard they would simply have to increase the price, then people who don’t want it are paying extra
@@adventureundone it would just increase the base price, it’s available as an option for those that want it. You seem to think that included as standard means getting something for free, it doesn’t work that way
I see you went SW Motech panniers with your 2024 over GIVI. Are you going to discuss why? I’m outfitting my 2024 ATAS ES DCT and those are my two choices.
Salut de France 😊 J'entends dire parfois que l'africa twin consomme beaucoup d'huile, qu'en penses-tu ? Et d'une manière générale, la fiabilité de cette moto ? Merci !
Good points to be brought to the surface. On a different note, I would like to know what type of crash bars, hand guards, protection in other words you are going to add to the bike. I just bought the Base model and so far I love the bike but I'm use to all of the Tech gadgets yet. Thanks for the video.
I agree with quick shifter...should be on every manual Africa. The second thing is Tft. There is no bike,that you have to wait so long to turn on. Even Transalp turns right away. I hope they fix that. Also wheelie off an traction control,should stay in mode you select after you turn off and on. Damn Honda!!!😉
love my 24 ATAS DCT, I really like the colors all around but get it. For sure upgraded to real handguards ( Barkbusters) and real skid plate ( outback ) The controls are intuitive once you ride a bit but backlight???? YES PLEASE!!!!!
Proof that the manufacturer's do more than read our comments, they have huge amounts of data about all bikes built, how many, and of what type. They know way more than we can fathom & the proof is in all the different offerings for bikes. INTENT is one of the biggest questions we must make to buy the right bike for us but the great thing is that no matter what bike you pick, you can get all the aftermarket parts you could need to meet the intent for your bike. Once you define the intent for any bike, you're ready to get the right parts to accomplish the type of riding you envisioned. I'm learning that any old bike can be your unicorn. Any Bike! And I've just realized this here -n- now....... thanks man, once you have the intent for the bike, the parts can make her work out. Use a little common sense but any bike can do it for you, within reason. peace man
The main issue is Honda doesn´t offer the 19-inch in the standard model. I do not need extra kilograms or extra $$$ for some tech is not a must. Come on HOnda listen to your buyers
The airfilter location on an offroad bike doesnt make sense to me. Id like a transalp if if also had the air filters in the sides so i can replace with new and not have to take the tank off. The indiam scout i figure its nit as bad because its a road bike if im in a dirt road for miles and miles and miles behind people it sucks to have to take the tank off to pop new air filters in.
I have a 23 ATAS with lower deflectors installed behind the fan. Its an original honda part. Can't you get this on the 24 model? I've never felt any heat
How is it nobody has mentioned the fact that if you try to ride with the balls of your feet on the footpegs there simply isn't enough room on the right side due to the exhaust being in the way?? It's not like I have giant feet (11) but it isn't even close, I would need at least 2" more space for my foot to fit. Do all of the other riders of this bike have tiny feet? That's my biggest gripe with the bike so far, that and the brakes are acceptable but not great by any stretch. To me those are far bigger issues than having a quick shifter (don't care) or matching forks & wheels (barely care).
Agree, there’s not a huge amount of space, (I have size 10 and I have enough room). The brakes are lacking in power a bit, I likely try some better pads when they need changing.
@@hovishill2779 Your size 10 fits? I wouldn't have thought so but I suppose boot choice may play a role in it as well. I like to trail brake a fair bit when in the twisties, I find the back brake particularly weak. Definitely some better pads are in order upon changing.
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I agree with those for sure. I'd add: rear ABS resets every time you turn the key on and off, weak factory handguards (your sw-motech look great), windshield adjuster should be one handed.
Ah yes, the windshield one handed for sure 👍
There is a off road dongle for africa twin you can buy so the bike remembers the abs settings being off from lskelectronics
No center stand as standard🙁
Keeps the weight down! Yet, it's a must have!!
@@terrystratford1235 I think that what interests Ηonda is simply the profit ... to charge it extra....
@georgediakodimitris4805 any company with share holders is all about profit! I bought a 2021 crf1100L dct in 2023 for 12k. I have put another 5k into her! Denali lights, sargent seat, altrider and touratech goodies! All to make her the proper bike I had in my mind! Now if Honda did the same, the quality of the parts may not be the best, like bmw crash bars(they bend)! I'm very happy with my bike, she will last me to retirement!
Bike prices are stupid high anymore and I’m too of it without the fee standard options.
Each of the five “complaints” is not only warranted, it’s baffling a company like Honda has allowed these issues to fall through the cracks. I’ll add another, more of a quibble than a complaint: Offering a relatively expensive bike in one color/graphic configuration is just wonky marketing. Don’t need a full spectrum of fancy colors but heck . . . at least subtle or not so subtle wouldn’t hurt.
Listen the paint job matters. If the colors are crap the bikes dont sell its that simple. The better a company is at making their bikes not ugly is a big deal. Same with ease of maintinance.
I personally like that the switchgear isn’t lit. I don’t like any additional light, especially on a night. I mean who looks down at your switchgear when riding anyway?
And the heat off the fans, in Britain we like this 90% of the year 😅
The lower deflectors I have on my 2024 standard bike are fitted to the rear portion of the radiator tank area. We haven’t had any really hot days in the UK so far, but I also can say I’ve never notice my legs getting hot. Have another look at the Honda lower deflectors, they may make a difference for you.
What I wish Honda changed with my bike, the cruise only works 30mph and above, in 4th gear or higher. This is odd compared to many other manufacturers, which work at 20 mph and above, and in lower gears. Here in the UK, our speed limits range from 20, 30, 40, 50, 60 and 70 mph, I use the cruise to keep me legal in the lower speed limits, if road conditions allow. What would be very useful, as fitted to most cars these days, is a changeable speed limiter, so you can set to any specific speed, say as an example, if your in a 20 mph limit, and then concentrate on looking at the road and hazards, and not having to be fixated on the speed.
Backlit handle bar buttons definitely.
Adaptive cruise please.
Centre stand as standard.
I would take a centre stand as standard over a quick shifter any day of the week.
The lower deflectors are behind the vent?
@@adventureundone they are behind, not in front of the radiator. I don't have them yet, but I'm 1000% sure of it. Honda's videos show them behind, as. So do the pictures on Honda
18000$ bike...is like 21.5k in europe :)) and still not got a qshifter and stuff :)))
Really like your channel - please add an addendum to this list. Comment on Honda’s missing OEM parts - upper and lower wind deflectors, aux lights, etc. Also much confusion on whether center stand and crash bars will fit 2024. Amateurish roll out of the 2024 model
i have a 2023 ATAS which is nice, but cannot tolerate the seat, after an 1.5 hour of riding it starts getting uncomfortable to the point of shifting my butt to the back seat, very frustrating this makes the ride not as enjoyable as it should be, i thought about getting a different seat but hesitant to play that game (crap shoot ) finding the right seat. I was looking for an adventure bike that could be pleasurable on long ride and found disappointment instead, i had the chance to try a BMW R1250 GS, and oh my gosh what a bike the comfort was like day and night, my Africa is now for sale.
I was looking at swapping in my GSA for one of these. As you say, QS extra/Centre stand extra/ dongle needed for wireless carplay/ no hill hold assist/ heated seat option. It just seemed to me it wasnt quite there with the current competitors. I know they have just updated it but I get the feeling there may be major changes ahead. I think the display needs updating too. Still the best looking ADV in my opinion though
Slope forwards. Thats because you have it on the low mode. Put it in the high mode and that feeling is gone. Simple. Worked with me.
still had the forward slope in high position for me.
Suzuki has the quickshifter on both 800/1050
If only they werent ugly lookin like when the graphics glitch in a videogame
Please do a review of the seat concepts when you’ve installed and gotten some use with it - thanks!
I like the bronze forks. It's a color transition from the wheel to the frame. If they were the gold color, then the whole front wheel assembly would look like it was stuck on. And, they would need to pick up that gold color on the frame somewhere to integrate. There are already 5 colors on the frame. If you want to change something, then the wheels could be black or dark blue. But really, it's a smart color scheme overall. I would keep it as is.
Complaining about something being standard is non-sensical, if they made it standard they would simply have to increase the price, then people who don’t want it are paying extra
Stacked up to competition some should be standard
@@adventureundone it would just increase the base price, it’s available as an option for those that want it. You seem to think that included as standard means getting something for free, it doesn’t work that way
I see you went SW Motech panniers with your 2024 over GIVI. Are you going to discuss why? I’m outfitting my 2024 ATAS ES DCT and those are my two choices.
You’re way ahead of me! I see your video on the Dusc cases.
Salut de France 😊
J'entends dire parfois que l'africa twin consomme beaucoup d'huile, qu'en penses-tu ?
Et d'une manière générale, la fiabilité de cette moto ?
Merci !
Have to agree poor colour options where's a nice shiny black or metallic silver also wind protection on BMW 900 GSA far better.
Good points to be brought to the surface. On a different note, I would like to know what type of crash bars, hand guards, protection in other words you are going to add to the bike. I just bought the Base model and so far I love the bike but I'm use to all of the Tech gadgets yet. Thanks for the video.
Video coming on that topic very soon 👍
I agree, but I love the blue fender 😊
I agree with quick shifter...should be on every manual Africa. The second thing is Tft. There is no bike,that you have to wait so long to turn on. Even Transalp turns right away. I hope they fix that. Also wheelie off an traction control,should stay in mode you select after you turn off and on. Damn Honda!!!😉
I would have to agree with all of these. I have the DCT version, so the quick shifter doesn't apply to me. I wish they sold a set of crash bars.
love my 24 ATAS DCT, I really like the colors all around but get it. For sure upgraded to real handguards ( Barkbusters) and real skid plate ( outback ) The controls are intuitive once you ride a bit but backlight???? YES PLEASE!!!!!
Proof that the manufacturer's do more than read our comments, they have huge amounts of data about all bikes built, how many,
and of what type. They know way more than we can fathom & the proof is in all the different offerings for bikes. INTENT is one of
the biggest questions we must make to buy the right bike for us but the great thing is that no matter what bike you pick, you can
get all the aftermarket parts you could need to meet the intent for your bike. Once you define the intent for any bike, you're ready
to get the right parts to accomplish the type of riding you envisioned. I'm learning that any old bike can be your unicorn. Any Bike!
And I've just realized this here -n- now....... thanks man, once you have the intent for the bike, the parts can make her work out.
Use a little common sense but any bike can do it for you, within reason. peace man
Even the much less expensive Transalp has a quick shifter
yeah, weird
For the ££££ you could get a 2020 mint low mileage goldwing tour dct.....with centre stand and backlit buttons!!
The main issue is Honda doesn´t offer the 19-inch in the standard model. I do not need extra kilograms or extra $$$ for some tech is not a must. Come on HOnda listen to your buyers
Could you do a your thoughs shootout of the 2024 twin vs trans?
Yea
Im just checking config of ATAS 2024 and it looks like here in Europe this bike in manual comes with quickshifter
i been riding transalp for this summer now and that bike does not have the heat issue. weird that the more expencive has it.
The airfilter location on an offroad bike doesnt make sense to me. Id like a transalp if if also had the air filters in the sides so i can replace with new and not have to take the tank off. The indiam scout i figure its nit as bad because its a road bike if im in a dirt road for miles and miles and miles behind people it sucks to have to take the tank off to pop new air filters in.
In the low position what is the seat height fully laden? I have a 30 inch inseam and was wondering if I could flat foot the 2024.
I have a 23 ATAS with lower deflectors installed behind the fan. Its an original honda part. Can't you get this on the 24 model? I've never felt any heat
@@Jubelly I’m going to look into this
How’s the power vs your 890
O tiger ?
Worst thing about the bike is the price
Pricey for sure, but many bikes in this class are
Honda knows thats shy they created a scuffed version the transalp.
How is the front 19" + reduced suspension perform offroad if you compare with 2023 Adventure sport?
Video coming soon on that
@@adventureundoneyes I’d love to see this in addition to the comparison to the Tiger 900 off-road please!!
The stock header is titanium?
SMDSR- boosting your algorithm, as usual lol.
Like to hear it on the open road
Hate brakes(not impressive) and seat(damn hard) in my 23 atas adv es manual...
OK button on starting screen😢
It's touring bike for sure. I am not sure I am going to keep my 2021 adventure sports es.
What would you buy instead?
@@TheFbiFilesRepeat Suzuki GSX-S1000GT
@@MotorcycleMayhem595a nice bike for sure, also a Yamaha tracer 9
Wireless apple CarPlay
Ahhh good one 👍
How is it nobody has mentioned the fact that if you try to ride with the balls of your feet on the footpegs there simply isn't enough room on the right side due to the exhaust being in the way?? It's not like I have giant feet (11) but it isn't even close, I would need at least 2" more space for my foot to fit. Do all of the other riders of this bike have tiny feet? That's my biggest gripe with the bike so far, that and the brakes are acceptable but not great by any stretch. To me those are far bigger issues than having a quick shifter (don't care) or matching forks & wheels (barely care).
Agree, there’s not a huge amount of space, (I have size 10 and I have enough room). The brakes are lacking in power a bit, I likely try some better pads when they need changing.
@@hovishill2779 Your size 10 fits? I wouldn't have thought so but I suppose boot choice may play a role in it as well. I like to trail brake a fair bit when in the twisties, I find the back brake particularly weak. Definitely some better pads are in order upon changing.
I notice that as well, but it was the same on my 22’ so I think I’m just use to it.
Give it to me then.
It’s morphing into the nt1100
I was thinking the same 😂
No problems with hot legs in Scotland.......
+Shaft Drive
We need to do better with final drives i just hate chain drives so much
All valid points. Mind boggling how those jappers cant see this 🙈