5-6 lbs is insignificant except on some manufacturers bag sheet. Heck, most riders could stand to lose 5-10 lbs with good diet and exercise. Problem solved and you're healthier for it.
For the difference of 14lbs between the R 1300 GS and the Africa Twin Adv Sports ES I would take the weight penalty to get the extra 110km of fuel range any day of the week.
Since German automotive engineering quality went down the toilet, I would choose a Japanese built Africa Twin anytime over anything German. I had new German cars for decades, not any more sadly. Good review thank you.
Excellent review. Im trading my 2023 GS Rallye Low for the Africa Twin ES DCT, hopefully next month. I test rode the BMW GS1300 and although it was somewhat slightly better than my 23, the price is now out of my league. its near 30K or over 30K depending on model in the USA. Bye, bye, BMW. Cant wait for my Honda.
You wont regret it. Been riding a CRF 1000-L DCT with lowered suspension and a 19" front wheel for the last 3 years. Just bought the new one to for all the bells and whistles, but the ride is almost the same. have fun.
Also they make a gear changer for the DCT to add a extra level of fun, its not cheap at £400+ but i think i am going to get it because its a better manual gear change than the paddles.
@faridb40 it works just like the paddles. It just simulates a gear shift. I am going to get it, I think because shifting would feel more like a geared bike.
Just too heavy. Even heavier than my KTM 1290 SAR monster. I was very tempted by this Honda, until I saw the weight. No, I do not really care that the weight disappears when the bike moves. What is important is picking this bike up and manoeuvring it around in loose gravel surfaces, heaven forbid muddy also.
The new ATAS isn't focused on offroad, the standard AT instead is (and is 6Kg lighter than the KTM). Also, this ATAS is equipped with DCT, without it weights only 6Kg heavier.
@@TheWuselnHonda bikes are always way heavier than they declare in the specs. The AT isn't an exception... kTM is one of the most honest in this field. Both great bikes, perhaps...
Thanks very much for your detailed and comprehensive review (as usual). I switched over the ATAS 2024 DCT 2 months ago, coming from three years of GS 1250 (standard) ans a few more BMWs in the last 20 years. What thrilled me was the DCT option mainly. I have to admit that from the pure "technical" point of view I'm very satisfied with my choice. At the same time I think the "driving feeling" of the GS is more solid and refined, like it is in a different category from the ATAS. We'll see in the next few months if the Honda is 100% convincing me. Best 🤞👍👍
Thank you for the great review, you answer a lot of questions for many of us I am sure . I would like this , more street focused bike with the smaller wheels but in a slightly smaller package, and I know there are more options out there, but I still haven’t seen one that really stands out from the others. Someone did an article on the Tiger 900 Road focused version of their adventure bike said it was really nice but I think it’s high priced ..thanks again
Great reviews Scott ! I'm trying to hang on until the BMW 1300-1400 GSA debuts in the fall , choices are getting more difficult now between the GS 1300 & the 2024 African Twin. 😁
On the weight discussion: the gs1300 lost weight, but also lost its place as a grand adventurer/tourer. Test rode one today. Its half the bike it was. Narrow, low, toy like. Crap/no weather protection, joke screen. Feels like an overpowered, overweight supermoto, with all the supermoto disadvantages and no advantages, in touring terms. I m afraid they will lose half their customers once these new owners start touring this summer. Perhapsmthey will rectify this with an extra fat GSA. Anyway, ATAS are brilliant bikes for one up touring, Docile, soft, economic, reliable, comfortable and fast enough -just.
I switched from an NT1100, which is renowned for its good weather protection, to a 1300GS and I haven't noticed any decline in protection against the elements.
I swapped my NT1100 for a 1300GS, and now every twisty road puts a grin on my face. While riding the NT1100, I used to think about what I'd do when I reached my destination. On the 1300GS, I find myself pondering which roads I can explore along the way.
Honda almost touched the right spot with this one, besides the weight and the two hands windshield maneuvering set…This could be it. This clutch less bikes, DCT and any other systems like Yamaha released on the FJR years ago, still bug me, strong. I like the quick shifter device as an option for that days you feel like riding a little more aggressively, but no clutch, no shifter pedal? 🧐🤨Is this a giant scooter or an big Adventure electric bike? It’s none? Ok. So, why I’m feeling like it would be like it…? I liked it in cars. And I adapted fast. But two wheels, is a very different vehicle. I don’t know, I'm skeptical about it. Clutch less, key less? What’s the next “less” thing? Riders less?😂
Not being able to change the height of the windshield manually while walking is a matter of Honda's safety philosophy. Either it does it stationary or it has an electrical system like the Goldwing. The Africa has a gearshift pedal option for the DCT. The DCT shifts faster than any quickshifter. Honda launched the e-clutch for the CB 650. It has a clutch but if you want, you can let the bike activate it alone, even when leaving or stopping. It only adds 2 kg, is faster and works better than any quickshifter (but loses to the DCT). And you must change gears using the pedal.
@@wallacemjr it’s good to have those options. If we want to go fully automatic the DCT is on, but it’s good to have the option not to use it, if we prefer to ride on a more manual or traditional manner. 👍🏻
Based on my experience, DCT may automatically shift gears but learning how to maximize its potential is far from automatic. After hating it, I’ve learned to love it. Thing is, no component is an island, it works in conjunction with the bike as a whole. After manual shifting for fifty years I had to learn that the team of engineers knew what they were doing and that DCT warrants different throttle response and that features like adjustable power delivery, traction control, engine braking, modes and suspension actually make a difference. That said, if adjusting learned behavior isn’t fun, I’d stay away from DCT - it’s not for everyone.
I am looking for a touring bike for my wife and me. Looking at the 2024 for doing 2 to 3 day trips. I have been looking also at the Multistrada (yes, a different level of bike) but this one is looking like a serious contender. We also like Honda so this one looks promising. Great video.
When you blip the Throttle, in most cases you have the Clutch Engaged, when you do it with a DCT, it basically drives you forward, it’s not an issue, if you use the DCT neutral button, a member of our club was at a garage when a guy on his new Africa Twin with DCT did the throttle blip, shot forward and hit a low wall, went over the top of the wall & bike and rider were damaged significantly, it’s just something to be aware of when you first ride a DCT
I want to tell you what happened to me about this bike. First of all, I was a Honda fan until I bought this motorbike. After buying this motorbike, my perspective on Honda is really close to zero. I own a 2020 model L4 Dct adventure sport. Malfunctions that happened to me: 1: there is a suspension failure, it cannot cope with high weight and explodes. Suspension set changed 2 times. Dct: once the gearbox locked while driving at 110 km per hour on the motorway. I faced death. Infotainment: Sometimes the screen freezes when Apple CarPlay is connected or does not connect Apple CarPlay if the engine waits in the sun. Rust: Rusting occurs in the chassis in all versions of this engine after 2019. When I discussed this with Honda service, they say that the situation occurred due to external factors. Of course I can't keep a 250+kg motorbike in my bedroom. Electrical parts: one of the fuses of the engine constantly blows. In the middle of Handem Ynin, I drove 120 km in the dark of night in the middle of the night completely intuitively without any light. The response of the Honda service was that it was a problem that occurred in these models and they changed the fuse free of charge (what if the fuse changes after death, what if it does not change). Last month, ABS malfunction occurred, and since TCs was connected to the same sensor, it was also disabled, and we realised that the fuse burned again. On the other hand, in Turkey, the Ministry of Interior police department is cancelling about 250 AT L1 models ordered to Honda Turkey due to suspension and electronic failures. R1200gs, F850gs, vfr1200 models, which have completed their service life and are in idle condition, have been overhauled, renewed and put into use until the delivery of 500 1300gs ordered. The main reason for this return is that the front suspension of the police officer in Istanbul exploded while chasing the criminal and the officer was injured and taken to intensive care. Instead of Africas, they buy 500 R1300GS and Ktm. There is also a video on RUclips about the delivery of these 500 engines. Africa Twin is a motorcycle that Honda made to take place in that class and I think it is a motorcycle that Honda did not spend any effort on it. maybe cheaper ktm, triumph or bmw can be bought in the 900cc band, which is lighter, or 1300gs, tiger1200, 1290adv can be bought for similar money. I started motorcycling at the age of 21, I am now 41 years old, I have owned over 20 motorcycles and I have personally experienced that Honda's motorcycle quality is far and far behind its competitors in today's conditions. I regret selling my vfr1200 croosstourer motorbike.
Wow, sorry to hear of your experience, but thank you for letting us all know. I had believed the story that Honda reliability was legendary, no more it seems!
25 bin km 2017 1000'lik olan dct'yi sürdüm. Şimdi 2021 ADV DCT'im var. Söylediklerinize üzüldüm. Geçmiş olsun. Dediklerinize benzer tek bir durum yaşamadım. Yaşayanları da duymadım. Şaşırdım doğrusu. Hamdolsun mu demeliyim, Allah saklasın mı demeliyim bilemedim.
È davvero imbarazzante quello che dici. È normale che si possa trovare un solo modello difettoso. Come in BMW e altre motociclette, il modello Africa Twin 2024Adventure Sport è attualmente il migliore al mondo
Very nice loving the 19” front and reduced ride height. I decided against buying one a few years ago as I felt uncomfortable being barely able to get my feet down. The DCT is awesome however not for everyone albeit I’m sure once the novelty wears off most are ridden in D as a twist and go rather than playing around with paddle shift same as in a Car.
No doubt the best looking ADV bike. Price wise, still think it's totally overpriced LIKE THE TENERE 700. I would rather buy the Tiger 900 Rally Pro. Better value for money in NZ. More bang for your bugs and a triple inline.
Doesn't matter the brand 250 kilo is too heavy for an adv bike to my taste. 250+kg makes it a touring bike and for such purpose I prefer dedicated machine like e.g. RT. Bike of this cathegory should not weigh more than 200-220 max e.g. 900GS, Tenere 700, KTM 890, Triumph Tiger 900....
Very nice looking bike, smoother as any other in this segment, reliable and top capablility for touring. These are its weapons, and I don't think at all they're minor reasons.
Honda’s primary issue is with the CRF1100 engine, which is distinctly lackluster-it's overly linear and underpowered. Among its peers, Honda’s 1100 engine is the weakest in 2024. To mask this deficiency, Honda employs a strategy where the DCT automatically drops two gears upon full throttle application.
Thanks for your very well-balanced review. The 2024 Africa Twin is an incredible improvement on the release of the 2020 model when it was upgraded to the current 1,084cc motor. The torque has increased and is much smoother and more measured in its deployment from zero to high rpm. It really is a pearler of a twin motor with a great traditional 'twin' sound with the upgraded 2024 muffler. I'm a fan and a Honda tragic from way back and can hardly wait to own one. I would very much like to buy the '25 model next year. HOWEVER, Honda will NOT be getting my money until at least some or all of the following glitches/negatives are resolved: 1) The atrociously long time it takes to boot the TFT screen and THEN it requires a touch on an 'OK' button before giving you access. WTF Honda?! No other manufacturers spoil the ride experience like this so WTF Honda?! 2) The switchgear needs an overhaul - simplify it AND include backlighting 3) An easy way to get the seat height BELOW 800mm. Please don't try to tell me it can't be done Honda. I'm 5'6" (167cm) and I would like to be able to flatfoot. 795mm seat height is a worthy goal Honda. 4) For the top-of-the-line model (mainly road use owners) ditch those ridiculous spoked wheels and give us some tasteful forged cast aluminium wheels. Cleaning spokes is an absolute nightmare. We already have enough cleaning with the chain drive, so, please Honda - some alloys. 5) For two-up touring it most definitely needs some more power. They should either bump the capacity to 1250cc for another 30hp OR, preferably, finally release the supercharged model on which they hold a Japanese patent and as such has been in development since 2019. One would think that simply in the name of competition with the Multistradas, GS1300s, Triumphs et al, Honda would want to increase the power at least somewhat. It is great for low speed stuff but 2-up with luggage on the highway it does need quite a bit more. Please! (from all reports the supercharger design is for low-mid range torque - not meant to be a high-rev Kawasaki H2 competitor). 6) Not mandatory for my purchase but, with DCT, a reverse gear for parking such a heavy baby would be handy. You'd only need 'impulse power' Scotty :-) 7) Does that great sounding rear muffler really have to be the size of a boat anchor? So there's my list of gripes for a bike I love a lot. My wishlist. How about it Honda - all for '25?
If we want more streetable, tell Honda to sell us the NCT1100DCT. The Rebel 1100 sucks for touring with a passenger. The NT sport tourer is sweet but Honda won't sell it to us in the USA. WTH Honda! Why can't we have the NC here???
Trading in my 2022 on a 2024 next week. Losing $7k USD, but it's worth it, IMO. I really want the lower suspension/center of gravity and smaller front wheel since I only ride it on the road. It's the closest thing to the NT 1100 I'm ever likely to get in the U.S.
I got the 2020 AT base model DCT - I wanted a go-anywhere bike that had all the conveniences. Can't say that I hate the 21" front wheel. Main thing I'd change about mine is I'd add a stronger spring on the back as I'm a big guy & I want to go touring with my wife on the back. As it is, with me + luggage I'm hitting the weight limit.
i have been riding a 2017 Africa twin DCT for 3 years with a 19" front wheel and lowered suspension and its really close to the new 2024 version with 19" front wheel. only drawback is that it is a 1000cc and not 1100. thats why i just bought the new 2024 CRF1100-L Adventure Sports ES DCT.
If it is ludicrous in sport 3 who needs 150 or 200hp. All those hyper bikes are probably turned to less than 100hp at normal speeds. The're ridiculously superfluous .
The Stelvio is the best sounding ADV bike out there today, bar none, imho. When you hear is start up, you think, "oh yeeeeaaa, that's how a bike is supposed to sound".
I prefer the small Africa (not the Adventure) for moving around town and some road trips ... very little soil. (and because of the cost). Do you think I should go to the Adventure one?
I finally got to ride this bike with DCT. Now I can’t decide if I want DCT or manual with bi directional quick shifter….Going through town with no clutch to worry about was soooo nice.
How would you compare this to the Tiger 900 GT Pro. The Tiger has more HP, a little less torque, but weighs about 60lbs less. The DCT on the AT is a big draw but the quick shifter on the Tiger is excellent. I found the Tiger to have quicker steering, better egos for a big guy, and more fun to ride, plus a few thousand less. Thoughts?
I have a 2023 manual adventure sport, wish i went DCT as i had 2016 DCT prior but couldnt justify the 2500£ difference. 10,000kms done, enjoying it. Id love the extra 7% torque for the 2024 but not with a reduced front suspension not 19 wheel as i sometimes do off road
Хоть я и не знаю языка и смотреть пришлось по субтитрам - это самый качественный и тщательный обзор на Африка Твин 2024, который я смог найти! Большое спасибо автору!! Великолепный мотоцикл, наверное идеальный. Почти мечта (почти, потому что цепь, а не кардан - был бы кардан, был бы 100% идеал).
Согласен с вами, с карданом африка была бы идеальным мотоциклом. Я поставил электронный смазчик цепи, 2-3 раза в год мою цепь, вот и всё что нужно для ухода за цепью, катаюсь уже 2,5 года на CRF1100.
@@mansurik У Триумфов нет автоматической коробки передач - так что нет, они не конкуренты Африке. Единственный конкурент Африке - это новейший мотоцикл BMW R 1300 GS ADVENTURE с, впервые в Европе, автоматической коробкой передач, ну и как раз с карданом!
Hi Scott, great review as always👍 Sorry for the question, but I have to ask you: I'm looking at the moment to buy a new adventure bike (only roads riding, without any off road), and my choice is between mid class 2024 Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro, or 2024 Africa Twin Adventure Sport Manual ES. I've tested the Tiger and I really like it, unfortunately I can't test ride the new Africa, but from all the reviews sounds like a great bike too. Which one would you prefer, because you rode both of them? Thanks.
Thank you! For me I'd take the 900 GT Pro not the Rally, especially since you don't need off-road or unless you are tall, then the Rally. The AT is good but it's clinical/sterile and is just a tool like a car to get from point a to b.
I love your videos since I've been into motorcycles. Now I am looking to upgrade out of a small displacement adventure bike to a bigger one, this info is great!
I have a 21' ATAS manual, the last year they were sold in North America, and I have to say it is the funnest bike I,ve ever had. The 24's are supposed to be coming to North America and I would be very interested to see if the 19" front wheel is that much better on road. In 26k miles it's done it all very well. Gravel and dirt roads are easy even two up and from Arkansa to South Dakota traveling with a bunch of Goldwings it did great. Side note I traded my 22' Goldwing for a 23' RT and loving it, how's your RT doing?
Hmm...the only reason that I would buy the AT is because of the DCT, simply because no other bike has it. The majority of AT buyer take the DCT, almost 60%, so they feel the same as me. But if I wanted to go off-road, then I'd take the base AT with manual clutch.
Thank you sir for a very nuanced review. Just a quick question, Honda Austalia offers 4 grands on their 2023 models. I'm planning to buy one and not sure if the improvements worth passing by 4k? Thanks
I traded my 2022 ATAS ES DCT for a 2024 R1250RT. Yes the DCT is great but for touring 2 up with luggage the dedicated machines like the RT are way better. Biggest minuses to the Honda: Weak brakes Soft suspension Wobbling at higher speeds Seat is a nightmare Drive mode is simply unusable, only SI upwards I did 24k Kms on it but the brakes and suspension on the BMWs are simply the best
Agreed! I'll never sell my 2021 1250 RT! To get a better 2-up bike one would have to go way heavier, like a Goldwing or K1600 but that's too much weight for me.
@@NothingToProve I had the K1600 before the Africa twin and yes it's a great 2up touring machine, but I wanted to try the RT which is more nimble. Now the Goldwing is fantastic but it's way to expensive compared to the BMWs. I hope the I will keep the RT for longer than 1 year now 🤣
Great video. I’ve been riding GSA’s for 10 years and love them. Then i tried a new RT and was very tempted to change. However, the Honda with DCT really has my attention - it’s a shame BMW don’t have it yet. My problem is I hate chain drives!!! 1st world problems eh? 😂
Just wait, BMW just announced their version of DCT, calling it ASA (Automatisierten Schaltassistenten) Automated Shift Assistant. When and on what bikes they will put it on is still a mystery. But, it's coming, next year or the year after...don't know.
Yeah, read that 👍 however, I can’t risk a new bike in London. I had a new GSA in June 2023 and it was stolen within two month. I went back to a 2016 model - which was also less than half the price!!
@@WhiskeyDeanRides I ended up swapping out my Triumph for a 2024 ATAS DCT and it’s night and day between the two bikes. The Africa twin isn’t that fast on the take off, but I don’t feel much engine vibration transfer into the pegs. At speeds 70+ the bike feels real smooth.
The Africa Twin is not really heavier than the GS 1300. The stated weight of the GS is completely without equipment, even without a center stand! Keep that in mind! I would always prefer the AT of the GS, because Honda simply has the better and more reliable technology. Die Africa Twin ist nicht wirklich schwerer als die GS 1300. BMW hat einfach gemogelt. Das angegebene Gewicht der GS ist komplett ohne Ausstattung, selbst ohne Hauptständer! Keep that in mind! Ich würde jederzeit die AT der GS bevorzugen, denn Honda hat einfach die bessere und zuverlässigere Technik.
Add ESA and shaft drive to the AT 231kg and the AT is over the the base GS weight of 237kg. I like both bikes about the same, so we can go on and on about comparing bikes, but the bottom line is which one you like best 👍😊
Your insight is always appreciated, thank you. However, it is unfair to state basic GS1300 weight, b/c, if I`m not mistaken, that is w/o electronic suspension, which is included on AT. Taking into account Africa`s larger fuel tank, manual transmission bike is actually lighter than the GS.
One cannot get a GS without Electronic Suspension Adjustment (ESA), it's been that way for a long time. If my memory serves me correctly it became "standard" some where in the middle of the 1200GS production run. So to be fair you have to put the electronic suspension on the AT to be fair to the GS. 😊
@@NothingToProve I am not so sure. UK Motorrad clearly lists DSA under "optional equipment", and at the bottom of the dimension/weight specs it says the following: "1) According to Guideline (EU) 168/2013 with all operating fluids, with standard equipment and refuelled with min. 90% of the usable fuel tank capacity."
With the 7% increase in torque, they had to beef-up several components in not just the DCT but the whole drive train. That is why the whole bike in the trim in the video increased by 3kgs from last year to this year.
Alot of talking about Honda making seat height lower, but that comes maybe mostly from 1 inch less radius on the front wheel?. Even if the engine is good, i was hoping for a bigger engine upgrade. Honda is behind competition compare to Bmw/Ktm/Triumph.
An excellent review Scott, particularly of the turbulence and vibration aspects on the motorway. You have also brought out the DCT dinosaurs ie those who have never tried DCT and therefore who can’t comprehend just what a game changing piece of technology it is. Thank you.
As a fully qualified dinosaur, in one of his senior moments, I bought a Honda Rebel 1100 DCT. It has much the same engine as in the AT under review. To be frank, I hated the DCT because I never felt fully in control of the machine. Yes, I tried the manual flipper as well. Now, having regressed to dinosaur form, I ride a nice, tame and obedient CB1000R. It has a stalk on the left handlebar and another near my left foot. I cannot imagine how someone would feel confident with DCT on what pretends to be an off-road bike. And a massive weight at that.
@m2menuiserie540 Mate, I am going out on a limb and call you out. I don't think you ever actually owned any dct model. As a dinosaur I imagined this is not the first time you spinner this type of comment on a dct review. The whole "fully in control" story does not make sense anymore. Anyone that has ever owned a dct bike will tell you. Evidently you have never ridden a bike with a quick shifter.
@@onskyk My 2022 Goldwing DCT is the best bike I've ever owned. The short RUclips clip showing a DCT Goldwing out sprint the manual is worth a watch. The quick shifter on my Aprillia Tuono 1100 V4 is good for that bike, but DCT is better.
@@onskyk I had the Rebel 1100 DCT for a year. It was my only bike. The reason I kept it for so long was that I had to wait nearly six months for my new CB1000RA Black Edition to be delivered. It is equipped with a quick shifter as standard. Don't fret too much, the dinosaurs died out.
Oh well, in a side-by-side comparison, the AF twin and the 1300 GS are worlds apart. The AF is missing several key features like adaptive cruise control, linked brakes, and shaft drive. It also has more vibrations, suffers from brake dive, and the CRF1100 engine doesn’t really excite-it delivers power but lacks the punch you might expect.. Honda could have taken a great leap forward by adding electronic suspension and adaptive cruise control to the NT1100, transforming it into a touring bike that not only leads its class in comfort but also puts its competitors on notice.
Nice review Scott but how does the seat height work? You said it was 835 that’s just under 33 inches but you said easy to flat foot it with bent legs on a 32 inch inseam.
Good question -- note that seat height measures from floor to seat, but your ability to touch the ground can vary based on seat width (which is not taken into account). Inseam typically measures from inside you crotch to around the ankle (ie: where your jeans would go down to), and doesn't take into account the foot and heel (typically another few inches each side).
@@NothingToProve I notice on my GS that if my wife is on the pillion and after she gets off I reduce the preload that if I’m sat on the bike it goes just that little bit lower than it does if I get off first.
The GS (Dynamic ESA) will go higher or lower based on the setting too. Have it in road mode and then while stopped and running change it to Dynamic mode, you will feel it get a few mm higher and do it in reverse too the same effect in will go down a few mm. The system will try to accommodate the weight that it is carrying, I call it "auto pre-load", trying to find the optimal travel distance.
No way, not even my 2012-GS would make the change here. Just came home from a wonderfull “First-may-drive” with my wife. Perfect 👌🏻, even offroad in France/ some TET sections can be done, weight: 230 kg, cost: 7.600 € ❤💪🏻😍👍🏻 GS forever
Honda has become a joke for performance oriented ADV bike buyers. Too heavy, not enough power, DCT is for lazy riders, too soft suspension, and the bike has had quality issues since introduction.
It's a long stroke, fairy low compression motor for longevity, easy manners and to be less fussy about fuel octane. As a recent owner of a '21 adventure sport, I'd rather have firmer suspension and stronger braking.
Agreed, although it does take more than a short few hours ride to appreciate it. As Scott said S1mode is likely to be better than D for most people. After 2900 miles on my DCT I'd never go back to a manual gearbox.
I decided to wait for DCT. Thank you for your input 👍 Hallelujah! I truly feel it’s the right decision. God bless all you and keep you all safe when riding. Thanks again.
I bought a R1250 GS Trophy BMW in 2023... and I've ridden a 2022 AC with DCT.... and truthfully, I'd rather have a 6 manual with quickshift, any time I ride, be in Honda or BMW. Call me a control freak, it just feels right to me.
Good review Scott, another one on my list next change, having a mere 29” inseam it might fit me now, shame about the weight but it seems too be well balanced, may I ask the model of your suit?
Wish there would have been some offroad gravel or dirt to see your thoughts. nothing super technical but would be nice to know for offroad camping etc. Thanks for. the great review
It's really overpriced, overweight, underpowered and only a 2 year warranty. Compared to the 1290 SAS and even the 1300GS. A value alternative will be the V strom 1050.
Here in Brazil (it is manufactured here and in Japan, including the DCT) it lasts for 3 years without km limit and there is still assistance and rescue in the field in several countries in the region.
5-6 lbs is insignificant except on some manufacturers bag sheet. Heck, most riders could stand to lose 5-10 lbs with good diet and exercise. Problem solved and you're healthier for it.
For the difference of 14lbs between the R 1300 GS and the Africa Twin Adv Sports ES I would take the weight penalty to get the extra 110km of fuel range any day of the week.
Since German automotive engineering quality went down the toilet, I would choose a Japanese built Africa Twin anytime over anything German. I had new German cars for decades, not any more sadly. Good review thank you.
bought this bike and love it. This video was super helpful!!! Thank you! ( love the bike too)
Excellent review. Im trading my 2023 GS Rallye Low for the Africa Twin ES DCT, hopefully next month. I test rode the BMW GS1300 and although it was somewhat slightly better than my 23, the price is now out of my league. its near 30K or over 30K depending on model in the USA. Bye, bye, BMW. Cant wait for my Honda.
You wont regret it. Been riding a CRF 1000-L DCT with lowered suspension and a 19" front wheel for the last 3 years. Just bought the new one to for all the bells and whistles, but the ride is almost the same. have fun.
Also they make a gear changer for the DCT to add a extra level of fun, its not cheap at £400+ but i think i am going to get it because its a better manual gear change than the paddles.
@@stevo8629 how does that work? you can convert it into a manual?
@faridb40 it works just like the paddles. It just simulates a gear shift. I am going to get it, I think because shifting would feel more like a geared bike.
@@stevo8629 Hey Stevo, which model did you get the 19"wheel from? Was it costly to switch it out? I would love to do that on my 2016 CRF1000.
Just too heavy. Even heavier than my KTM 1290 SAR monster. I was very tempted by this Honda, until I saw the weight. No, I do not really care that the weight disappears when the bike moves. What is important is picking this bike up and manoeuvring it around in loose gravel surfaces, heaven forbid muddy also.
The new ATAS isn't focused on offroad, the standard AT instead is (and is 6Kg lighter than the KTM). Also, this ATAS is equipped with DCT, without it weights only 6Kg heavier.
The only bike I really hated. It was very heavy and tiring to ride.
@@TheWuselnHonda bikes are always way heavier than they declare in the specs. The AT isn't an exception...
kTM is one of the most honest in this field. Both great bikes, perhaps...
It’s a road bike now bro. But going from your SAR to an ATAS now would be dumb.
Buy a car
Thanks very much for your detailed and comprehensive review (as usual). I switched over the ATAS 2024 DCT 2 months ago, coming from three years of GS 1250 (standard) ans a few more BMWs in the last 20 years. What thrilled me was the DCT option mainly. I have to admit that from the pure "technical" point of view I'm very satisfied with my choice. At the same time I think the "driving feeling" of the GS is more solid and refined, like it is in a different category from the ATAS. We'll see in the next few months if the Honda is 100% convincing me. Best 🤞👍👍
is it ? :)
As a BMW GSA fan,I do think the African Twin has one of the best Adventure bike looks on the road"
Thank you for the great review, you answer a lot of questions for many of us I am sure . I would like this , more street focused bike with the smaller wheels but in a slightly smaller package, and I know there are more options out there, but I still haven’t seen one that really stands out from the others. Someone did an article on the Tiger 900 Road focused version of their adventure bike said it was really nice but I think it’s high priced ..thanks again
I've alwasy like the look of the Africa Twin, but for long rides in super comfort I can't find anything better the my GSA adventure bike wise
even without being on a budget I'd take the Honda all day long ...
Great reviews Scott ! I'm trying to hang on until the BMW 1300-1400 GSA debuts in the fall , choices are getting more difficult now between the GS 1300 & the 2024 African Twin. 😁
On the weight discussion: the gs1300 lost weight, but also lost its place as a grand adventurer/tourer. Test rode one today. Its half the bike it was. Narrow, low, toy like. Crap/no weather protection, joke screen. Feels like an overpowered, overweight supermoto, with all the supermoto disadvantages and no advantages, in touring terms. I m afraid they will lose half their customers once these new owners start touring this summer. Perhapsmthey will rectify this with an extra fat GSA.
Anyway, ATAS are brilliant bikes for one up touring, Docile, soft, economic, reliable, comfortable and fast enough -just.
I switched from an NT1100, which is renowned for its good weather protection, to a 1300GS and I haven't noticed any decline in protection against the elements.
I disagree on almost every point. In particular I really like the new electric windscreen.
You are liar, you not rode gs1300 bcs wind protection is awesome. Best off all adv bikes
Strange, every review rated the 1300 better than the 1250.
I swapped my NT1100 for a 1300GS, and now every twisty road puts a grin on my face. While riding the NT1100, I used to think about what I'd do when I reached my destination. On the 1300GS, I find myself pondering which roads I can explore along the way.
this is the way.
Reliable, beautiful, dct, best sounding adv bike
Honda almost touched the right spot with this one, besides the weight and the two hands windshield maneuvering set…This could be it. This clutch less bikes, DCT and any other systems like Yamaha released on the FJR years ago, still bug me, strong. I like the quick shifter device as an option for that days you feel like riding a little more aggressively, but no clutch, no shifter pedal? 🧐🤨Is this a giant scooter or an big Adventure electric bike? It’s none? Ok. So, why I’m feeling like it would be like it…? I liked it in cars. And I adapted fast. But two wheels, is a very different vehicle. I don’t know, I'm skeptical about it. Clutch less, key less? What’s the next “less” thing? Riders less?😂
Yes, you can read a book while riding! 🤣🤣
@@NothingToProve Exactly😩😂
Not being able to change the height of the windshield manually while walking is a matter of Honda's safety philosophy. Either it does it stationary or it has an electrical system like the Goldwing.
The Africa has a gearshift pedal option for the DCT.
The DCT shifts faster than any quickshifter.
Honda launched the e-clutch for the CB 650. It has a clutch but if you want, you can let the bike activate it alone, even when leaving or stopping. It only adds 2 kg, is faster and works better than any quickshifter (but loses to the DCT). And you must change gears using the pedal.
@@wallacemjr it’s good to have those options. If we want to go fully automatic the DCT is on, but it’s good to have the option not to use it, if we prefer to ride on a more manual or traditional manner. 👍🏻
I tried a Yamaha Tmax scooter 560 but I soon got bored not having a clutch & gear shifter.
You can shift in a DCT bike with your left foot as usual. If you spec it that way.
Based on my experience, DCT may automatically shift gears but learning how to maximize its potential is far from automatic. After hating it, I’ve learned to love it. Thing is, no component is an island, it works in conjunction with the bike as a whole. After manual shifting for fifty years I had to learn that the team of engineers knew what they were doing and that DCT warrants different throttle response and that features like adjustable power delivery, traction control, engine braking, modes and suspension actually make a difference. That said, if adjusting learned behavior isn’t fun, I’d stay away from DCT - it’s not for everyone.
I am looking for a touring bike for my wife and me. Looking at the 2024 for doing 2 to 3 day trips. I have been looking also at the Multistrada (yes, a different level of bike) but this one is looking like a serious contender. We also like Honda so this one looks promising. Great video.
Make sure you don’t casually blip the Throttle without your foot on the Rear Brake, when using DCT after starting up, it won’t end well !!!
Good point. I haven’t seen this mentioned.
Why? Can you please explain
When you blip the Throttle, in most cases you have the Clutch Engaged, when you do it with a DCT, it basically drives you forward, it’s not an issue, if you use the DCT neutral button, a member of our club was at a garage when a guy on his new Africa Twin with DCT did the throttle blip, shot forward and hit a low wall, went over the top of the wall & bike and rider were damaged significantly, it’s just something to be aware of when you first ride a DCT
dct is great for touring
I want to tell you what happened to me about this bike.
First of all, I was a Honda fan until I bought this motorbike.
After buying this motorbike, my perspective on Honda is really close to zero.
I own a 2020 model L4 Dct adventure sport.
Malfunctions that happened to me: 1: there is a suspension failure, it cannot cope with high weight and explodes. Suspension set changed 2 times.
Dct: once the gearbox locked while driving at 110 km per hour on the motorway. I faced death.
Infotainment: Sometimes the screen freezes when Apple CarPlay is connected or does not connect Apple CarPlay if the engine waits in the sun.
Rust: Rusting occurs in the chassis in all versions of this engine after 2019. When I discussed this with Honda service, they say that the situation occurred due to external factors. Of course I can't keep a 250+kg motorbike in my bedroom.
Electrical parts: one of the fuses of the engine constantly blows. In the middle of Handem Ynin, I drove 120 km in the dark of night in the middle of the night completely intuitively without any light. The response of the Honda service was that it was a problem that occurred in these models and they changed the fuse free of charge (what if the fuse changes after death, what if it does not change). Last month, ABS malfunction occurred, and since TCs was connected to the same sensor, it was also disabled, and we realised that the fuse burned again.
On the other hand, in Turkey, the Ministry of Interior police department is cancelling about 250 AT L1 models ordered to Honda Turkey due to suspension and electronic failures. R1200gs, F850gs, vfr1200 models, which have completed their service life and are in idle condition, have been overhauled, renewed and put into use until the delivery of 500 1300gs ordered.
The main reason for this return is that the front suspension of the police officer in Istanbul exploded while chasing the criminal and the officer was injured and taken to intensive care.
Instead of Africas, they buy 500 R1300GS and Ktm. There is also a video on RUclips about the delivery of these 500 engines.
Africa Twin is a motorcycle that Honda made to take place in that class and I think it is a motorcycle that Honda did not spend any effort on it. maybe cheaper ktm, triumph or bmw can be bought in the 900cc band, which is lighter, or 1300gs, tiger1200, 1290adv can be bought for similar money.
I started motorcycling at the age of 21, I am now 41 years old, I have owned over 20 motorcycles and I have personally experienced that Honda's motorcycle quality is far and far behind its competitors in today's conditions.
I regret selling my vfr1200 croosstourer motorbike.
😂😂😂😂
Wow, sorry to hear of your experience, but thank you for letting us all know. I had believed the story that Honda reliability was legendary, no more it seems!
No problems with my Adventure DCT 2022
25 bin km 2017 1000'lik olan dct'yi sürdüm. Şimdi 2021 ADV DCT'im var. Söylediklerinize üzüldüm. Geçmiş olsun. Dediklerinize benzer tek bir durum yaşamadım. Yaşayanları da duymadım. Şaşırdım doğrusu. Hamdolsun mu demeliyim, Allah saklasın mı demeliyim bilemedim.
È davvero imbarazzante quello che dici. È normale che si possa trovare un solo modello difettoso. Come in BMW e altre motociclette, il modello Africa Twin 2024Adventure Sport è attualmente il migliore al mondo
Very nice loving the 19” front and reduced ride height. I decided against buying one a few years ago as I felt uncomfortable being barely able to get my feet down. The DCT is awesome however not for everyone albeit I’m sure once the novelty wears off most are ridden in D as a twist and go rather than playing around with paddle shift same as in a Car.
Great video Scott
No doubt the best looking ADV bike. Price wise, still think it's totally overpriced LIKE THE TENERE 700. I would rather buy the Tiger 900 Rally Pro. Better value for money in NZ. More bang for your bugs and a triple inline.
Doesn't matter the brand 250 kilo is too heavy for an adv bike to my taste.
250+kg makes it a touring bike and for such purpose I prefer dedicated machine like e.g. RT.
Bike of this cathegory should not weigh more than 200-220 max e.g. 900GS, Tenere 700, KTM 890, Triumph Tiger 900....
Thanks for a good reviews! Always enjoy and learn something from you.
Very nice looking bike, smoother as any other in this segment, reliable and top capablility for touring. These are its weapons, and I don't think at all they're minor reasons.
My favourite bike reviewer, well done again 👍👍 bummmmmmmm bummmmmm ;)
Now they just need a decent motor in it >= 125BHP
Honda’s primary issue is with the CRF1100 engine, which is distinctly lackluster-it's overly linear and underpowered. Among its peers, Honda’s 1100 engine is the weakest in 2024. To mask this deficiency, Honda employs a strategy where the DCT automatically drops two gears upon full throttle application.
they should have given the transalp a 19 inch front wheel aswell
Best reviewer!! Nice video! Thanks!
Thanks for your very well-balanced review. The 2024 Africa Twin is an incredible improvement on the release of the 2020 model when it was upgraded to the current 1,084cc motor. The torque has increased and is much smoother and more measured in its deployment from zero to high rpm. It really is a pearler of a twin motor with a great traditional 'twin' sound with the upgraded 2024 muffler. I'm a fan and a Honda tragic from way back and can hardly wait to own one. I would very much like to buy the '25 model next year.
HOWEVER, Honda will NOT be getting my money until at least some or all of the following glitches/negatives are resolved:
1) The atrociously long time it takes to boot the TFT screen and THEN it requires a touch on an 'OK' button before giving you access. WTF Honda?! No other manufacturers spoil the ride experience like this so WTF Honda?!
2) The switchgear needs an overhaul - simplify it AND include backlighting
3) An easy way to get the seat height BELOW 800mm. Please don't try to tell me it can't be done Honda. I'm 5'6" (167cm) and I would like to be able to flatfoot. 795mm seat height is a worthy goal Honda.
4) For the top-of-the-line model (mainly road use owners) ditch those ridiculous spoked wheels and give us some tasteful forged cast aluminium wheels. Cleaning spokes is an absolute nightmare. We already have enough cleaning with the chain drive, so, please Honda - some alloys.
5) For two-up touring it most definitely needs some more power. They should either bump the capacity to 1250cc for another 30hp OR, preferably, finally release the supercharged model on which they hold a Japanese patent and as such has been in development since 2019. One would think that simply in the name of competition with the Multistradas, GS1300s, Triumphs et al, Honda would want to increase the power at least somewhat. It is great for low speed stuff but 2-up with luggage on the highway it does need quite a bit more. Please! (from all reports the supercharger design is for low-mid range torque - not meant to be a high-rev Kawasaki H2 competitor).
6) Not mandatory for my purchase but, with DCT, a reverse gear for parking such a heavy baby would be handy. You'd only need 'impulse power' Scotty :-)
7) Does that great sounding rear muffler really have to be the size of a boat anchor?
So there's my list of gripes for a bike I love a lot. My wishlist. How about it Honda - all for '25?
If we want more streetable, tell Honda to sell us the NCT1100DCT. The Rebel 1100 sucks for touring with a passenger. The NT sport tourer is sweet but Honda won't sell it to us in the USA. WTH Honda! Why can't we have the NC here???
Trading in my 2022 on a 2024 next week. Losing $7k USD, but it's worth it, IMO. I really want the lower suspension/center of gravity and smaller front wheel since I only ride it on the road.
It's the closest thing to the NT 1100 I'm ever likely to get in the U.S.
I got the 2020 AT base model DCT - I wanted a go-anywhere bike that had all the conveniences. Can't say that I hate the 21" front wheel. Main thing I'd change about mine is I'd add a stronger spring on the back as I'm a big guy & I want to go touring with my wife on the back. As it is, with me + luggage I'm hitting the weight limit.
i have been riding a 2017 Africa twin DCT for 3 years with a 19" front wheel and lowered suspension and its really close to the new 2024 version with 19" front wheel. only drawback is that it is a 1000cc and not 1100. thats why i just bought the new 2024 CRF1100-L Adventure Sports ES DCT.
If it is ludicrous in sport 3 who needs 150 or 200hp.
All those hyper bikes are probably turned to less than 100hp at normal speeds.
The're ridiculously superfluous .
That swing arm looks 💩
Is it me, or yours BMW engine make noise like there is something wrong with valves?
Yep and yep and yep and beats me, I'm frustrated with the sound it makes.
@@NothingToProvejust trade it 😅n for a Guzzi Stelvio 🙂
The Stelvio is the best sounding ADV bike out there today, bar none, imho. When you hear is start up, you think, "oh yeeeeaaa, that's how a bike is supposed to sound".
I also own a 1300GS and it runs smoothly with a normal engine sound, free from any unusual ticks or clicks.
Scott
Your camera quality and angles are perfect...great job. Thanks
I prefer the small Africa (not the Adventure) for moving around town and some road trips ... very little soil. (and because of the cost). Do you think I should go to the Adventure one?
I finally got to ride this bike with DCT. Now I can’t decide if I want DCT or manual with bi directional quick shifter….Going through town with no clutch to worry about was soooo nice.
Same bike. Will Honda E-clutch be an effective replacement or substitute for DCT? Only adds 4 pounds to base AT.
How would you compare this to the Tiger 900 GT Pro. The Tiger has more HP, a little less torque, but weighs about 60lbs less. The DCT on the AT is a big draw but the quick shifter on the Tiger is excellent. I found the Tiger to have quicker steering, better egos for a big guy, and more fun to ride, plus a few thousand less. Thoughts?
Another great video, thinking of changing my 1290 SAS and 890 AS for the Honda, I test rode the Honda and loved the character. 👍
I have a 2023 manual adventure sport, wish i went DCT as i had 2016 DCT prior but couldnt justify the 2500£ difference.
10,000kms done, enjoying it. Id love the extra 7% torque for the 2024 but not with a reduced front suspension not 19 wheel as i sometimes do off road
Хоть я и не знаю языка и смотреть пришлось по субтитрам - это самый качественный и тщательный обзор на Африка Твин 2024, который я смог найти! Большое спасибо автору!! Великолепный мотоцикл, наверное идеальный. Почти мечта (почти, потому что цепь, а не кардан - был бы кардан, был бы 100% идеал).
Согласен с вами, с карданом африка была бы идеальным мотоциклом. Я поставил электронный смазчик цепи, 2-3 раза в год мою цепь, вот и всё что нужно для ухода за цепью, катаюсь уже 2,5 года на CRF1100.
Триумф Тайгер 1200 с карданом конкурент Африке?
Яндекс браузер переводит через ИИ в реальном времени, очень удобно!
@@mansurik У Триумфов нет автоматической коробки передач - так что нет, они не конкуренты Африке. Единственный конкурент Африке - это новейший мотоцикл BMW R 1300 GS ADVENTURE с, впервые в Европе, автоматической коробкой передач, ну и как раз с карданом!
@@Aleslav понял, спасибо! Я загорелся Африкой на автомате, хотя у меня был лишь мопед в детстве )
Hi Scott, great review as always👍
Sorry for the question, but I have to ask you: I'm looking at the moment to buy a new adventure bike (only roads riding, without any off road), and my choice is between mid class 2024 Triumph Tiger 900 Rally Pro, or 2024 Africa Twin Adventure Sport Manual ES. I've tested the Tiger and I really like it, unfortunately I can't test ride the new Africa, but from all the reviews sounds like a great bike too. Which one would you prefer, because you rode both of them? Thanks.
Thank you!
For me I'd take the 900 GT Pro not the Rally, especially since you don't need off-road or unless you are tall, then the Rally. The AT is good but it's clinical/sterile and is just a tool like a car to get from point a to b.
Japanese engineering. ❤❤❤
The GS1300 is not an adventurebike anymore,that s the reason for the lighter weight!
21 inch is far better than the 19 if you do adventure riding not just GS style street riding
Yet again, a brilliant review
First time I've seen your channel. Excellent video. I love the vibe and philosophy.
My dream machine.
I would appreciate it if you could tell me how to lower the seat height to 795.
I love your videos since I've been into motorcycles. Now I am looking to upgrade out of a small displacement adventure bike to a bigger one, this info is great!
Congratulations from Honda One Heart world's 💝🌍
I have a 21' ATAS manual, the last year they were sold in North America, and I have to say it is the funnest bike I,ve ever had. The 24's are supposed to be coming to North America and I would be very interested to see if the 19" front wheel is that much better on road. In 26k miles it's done it all very well. Gravel and dirt roads are easy even two up and from Arkansa to South Dakota traveling with a bunch of Goldwings it did great. Side note I traded my 22' Goldwing for a 23' RT and loving it, how's your RT doing?
I'll never sell it, bikes will come and go but the RT will always stay in my garage! 👍
The additional gas (1.5 gallons) only adds 9lbs.
How's the balance like at low speeds (parking lot speeds) compared to the BMW GSA or RT ?
This is a lot more top heavy, especially when compared to the 1300GS and the RT is just more solid, secure but it's also a lot more weight.
It’s fun to just look at. It’s the best looking adv bike year after year
Did you feel hot air from the engine and DCT?
👍👍
If you were to buy this new ATAS, would you go for the DCT or manual gearbox?
Hmm...the only reason that I would buy the AT is because of the DCT, simply because no other bike has it. The majority of AT buyer take the DCT, almost 60%, so they feel the same as me. But if I wanted to go off-road, then I'd take the base AT with manual clutch.
Tried one and got sore arse and felt I was on, instead of in.
I’m so friggin torn between this bike and a Goldwing…so hard to make the decision.
AT is more versatile
Thank you sir for a very nuanced review.
Just a quick question, Honda Austalia offers 4 grands on their 2023 models. I'm planning to buy one and not sure if the improvements worth passing by 4k? Thanks
The torque increase and improvements to the DCT is worth it to me. But hey, 4k is 4k 🤷♂️
@@NothingToProve thanks for the reply. I’ll buy the adventure sport in manual anyway.
Does Honda have anything other than the Goldwing that has shaft drive
I traded my 2022 ATAS ES DCT for a 2024 R1250RT. Yes the DCT is great but for touring 2 up with luggage the dedicated machines like the RT are way better.
Biggest minuses to the Honda:
Weak brakes
Soft suspension
Wobbling at higher speeds
Seat is a nightmare
Drive mode is simply unusable, only SI upwards
I did 24k Kms on it but the brakes and suspension on the BMWs are simply the best
Agreed! I'll never sell my 2021 1250 RT! To get a better 2-up bike one would have to go way heavier, like a Goldwing or K1600 but that's too much weight for me.
@@NothingToProve I had the K1600 before the Africa twin and yes it's a great 2up touring machine, but I wanted to try the RT which is more nimble. Now the Goldwing is fantastic but it's way to expensive compared to the BMWs. I hope the I will keep the RT for longer than 1 year now 🤣
Aqui Brasil, muito obrigado pela tradução PT
Great video. I’ve been riding GSA’s for 10 years and love them. Then i tried a new RT and was very tempted to change. However, the Honda with DCT really has my attention - it’s a shame BMW don’t have it yet. My problem is I hate chain drives!!!
1st world problems eh? 😂
Just wait, BMW just announced their version of DCT, calling it ASA (Automatisierten Schaltassistenten) Automated Shift Assistant.
When and on what bikes they will put it on is still a mystery. But, it's coming, next year or the year after...don't know.
Yeah, read that 👍 however, I can’t risk a new bike in London. I had a new GSA in June 2023 and it was stolen within two month. I went back to a 2016 model - which was also less than half the price!!
Did you try riding in manual mode?
I like my 2017 AT in manual mode.
Love your videos, two thumbs up 👍👍
Yep, that's fun too! Loved it 👍
Is this 🏍 bike for tall people❓️
I'm 5'-4" 😢😭
They offer a short seat.
Excellent review of the bike!! 👍🏼
Did you notice any engine vibrations getting transferred through the foot pegs or handlebars?
I’ve had a 70 mph vibration with the Heed Crash Bars on my 2017 for a while now. I hope they’ve worked it out in the 2024
@@WhiskeyDeanRides
I ended up swapping out my Triumph for a 2024 ATAS DCT and it’s night and day between the two bikes. The Africa twin isn’t that fast on the take off, but I don’t feel much engine vibration transfer into the pegs. At speeds 70+ the bike feels real smooth.
The Africa Twin is not really heavier than the GS 1300. The stated weight of the GS is completely without equipment, even without a center stand! Keep that in mind!
I would always prefer the AT of the GS, because Honda simply has the better and more reliable technology.
Die Africa Twin ist nicht wirklich schwerer als die GS 1300. BMW hat einfach gemogelt. Das angegebene Gewicht der GS ist komplett ohne Ausstattung, selbst ohne Hauptständer! Keep that in mind!
Ich würde jederzeit die AT der GS bevorzugen, denn Honda hat einfach die bessere und zuverlässigere Technik.
Add ESA and shaft drive to the AT 231kg and the AT is over the the base GS weight of 237kg. I like both bikes about the same, so we can go on and on about comparing bikes, but the bottom line is which one you like best 👍😊
Your insight is always appreciated, thank you.
However, it is unfair to state basic GS1300 weight, b/c, if I`m not mistaken, that is w/o electronic suspension, which is included on AT. Taking into account Africa`s larger fuel tank, manual transmission bike is actually lighter than the GS.
One cannot get a GS without Electronic Suspension Adjustment (ESA), it's been that way for a long time. If my memory serves me correctly it became "standard" some where in the middle of the 1200GS production run.
So to be fair you have to put the electronic suspension on the AT to be fair to the GS. 😊
@@NothingToProve I am not so sure. UK Motorrad clearly lists DSA under "optional equipment", and at the bottom of the dimension/weight specs it says the following:
"1) According to Guideline (EU) 168/2013 with all operating fluids, with standard equipment and refuelled with min. 90% of the usable fuel tank capacity."
As far as I know the weight of the DCT hasn't changed; onlysoftware upgrades as the mechanical components are already near perfect.
With the 7% increase in torque, they had to beef-up several components in not just the DCT but the whole drive train. That is why the whole bike in the trim in the video increased by 3kgs from last year to this year.
@@NothingToProve
Is this upgrade only for the Africa Twin, or will it be available for the NT1100, etc?
Alot of talking about Honda making seat height lower, but that comes maybe mostly from 1 inch less radius on the front wheel?. Even if the engine is good, i was hoping for a bigger engine upgrade. Honda is behind competition compare to Bmw/Ktm/Triumph.
2" less wheel diameter and 20mm less suspension travel and a few other things I mentioned in the video.
Have you ever ridden in one? Because Africa sometimes seems to be more powerful than others that announce larger numbers.
@@wallacemjr Yes, i have ridden one. The engine is strong, but it lacks power compare to the competing bikes.
6:44 well... I Trust this lough 😂😂😂.
I wish Honda made adventure sports in basic trim, without dct and electronic suspension. I would be great competition to vstrom 1050.
But she does, it's basic Africa
@@wallacemjr in my country ATAS is available only with ES
It's the base model africa twin with or without DCT @@pont0n
An excellent review Scott, particularly of the turbulence and vibration aspects on the motorway. You have also brought out the DCT dinosaurs ie those who have never tried DCT and therefore who can’t comprehend just what a game changing piece of technology it is. Thank you.
As a fully qualified dinosaur, in one of his senior moments, I bought a Honda Rebel 1100 DCT. It has much the same engine as in the AT under review. To be frank, I hated the DCT because I never felt fully in control of the machine. Yes, I tried the manual flipper as well. Now, having regressed to dinosaur form, I ride a nice, tame and obedient CB1000R. It has a stalk on the left handlebar and another near my left foot. I cannot imagine how someone would feel confident with DCT on what pretends to be an off-road bike. And a massive weight at that.
@m2menuiserie540 Mate, I am going out on a limb and call you out. I don't think you ever actually owned any dct model. As a dinosaur I imagined this is not the first time you spinner this type of comment on a dct review. The whole "fully in control" story does not make sense anymore. Anyone that has ever owned a dct bike will tell you. Evidently you have never ridden a bike with a quick shifter.
@@onskyk My 2022 Goldwing DCT is the best bike I've ever owned. The short RUclips clip showing a DCT Goldwing out sprint the manual is worth a watch. The quick shifter on my Aprillia Tuono 1100 V4 is good for that bike, but DCT is better.
@@onskyk I had the Rebel 1100 DCT for a year. It was my only bike. The reason I kept it for so long was that I had to wait nearly six months for my new CB1000RA Black Edition to be delivered. It is equipped with a quick shifter as standard. Don't fret too much, the dinosaurs died out.
NT1100 OR AT? What to choose?
That laugh says it all to me.😃
Weldings look terrible
Oh well, in a side-by-side comparison, the AF twin and the 1300 GS are worlds apart. The AF is missing several key features like adaptive cruise control, linked brakes, and shaft drive. It also has more vibrations, suffers from brake dive, and the CRF1100 engine doesn’t really excite-it delivers power but lacks the punch you might expect.. Honda could have taken a great leap forward by adding electronic suspension and adaptive cruise control to the NT1100, transforming it into a touring bike that not only leads its class in comfort but also puts its competitors on notice.
Brilliant objective review
Thank you great review
Thanks Mr nothing to prove.
Nice review Scott but how does the seat height work? You said it was 835 that’s just under 33 inches but you said easy to flat foot it with bent legs on a 32 inch inseam.
Good question -- note that seat height measures from floor to seat, but your ability to touch the ground can vary based on seat width (which is not taken into account). Inseam typically measures from inside you crotch to around the ankle (ie: where your jeans would go down to), and doesn't take into account the foot and heel (typically another few inches each side).
Well, the new thing with the suspension is that it will "relax" at low speed and stopped, meaning in goes down a few mm.
@@NothingToProve I notice on my GS that if my wife is on the pillion and after she gets off I reduce the preload that if I’m sat on the bike it goes just that little bit lower than it does if I get off first.
The GS (Dynamic ESA) will go higher or lower based on the setting too. Have it in road mode and then while stopped and running change it to Dynamic mode, you will feel it get a few mm higher and do it in reverse too the same effect in will go down a few mm. The system will try to accommodate the weight that it is carrying, I call it "auto pre-load", trying to find the optimal travel distance.
No way, not even my 2012-GS would make the change here. Just came home from a wonderfull “First-may-drive” with my wife. Perfect 👌🏻, even offroad in France/ some TET sections can be done, weight: 230 kg, cost: 7.600 € ❤💪🏻😍👍🏻 GS forever
Nice what's the horse power and torque
Ahh...chart...
Thanks
One of your best videos, Scott!
Nice Bike
Honda has become a joke for performance oriented ADV bike buyers. Too heavy, not enough power, DCT is for lazy riders, too soft suspension, and the bike has had quality issues since introduction.
You nailed it 🐢
Honda needs moore power ( +30 ). Motor is so booring to ride .....I dont like it ...😅
It's a long stroke, fairy low compression motor for longevity, easy manners and to be less fussy about fuel octane.
As a recent owner of a '21 adventure sport, I'd rather have firmer suspension and stronger braking.
I just put a deposit on a manual versions because DCT hadn’t coming in yet. Should I wait for the DCT or stay with manual version?
Wait for DCT. You vil not regret.
Agreed, although it does take more than a short few hours ride to appreciate it. As Scott said S1mode is likely to be better than D for most people. After 2900 miles on my DCT I'd never go back to a manual gearbox.
Wait for DCT.
I decided to wait for DCT. Thank you for your input 👍 Hallelujah! I truly feel it’s the right decision. God bless all you and keep you all safe when riding. Thanks again.
I bought a R1250 GS Trophy BMW in 2023... and I've ridden a 2022 AC with DCT.... and truthfully, I'd rather have a 6 manual with quickshift, any time I ride, be in Honda or BMW. Call me a control freak, it just feels right to me.
Good review Scott, another one on my list next change, having a mere 29” inseam it might fit me now, shame about the weight but it seems too be well balanced, may I ask the model of your suit?
Wish there would have been some offroad gravel or dirt to see your thoughts. nothing super technical but would be nice to know for offroad camping etc. Thanks for. the great review
It's really overpriced, overweight, underpowered and only a 2 year warranty. Compared to the 1290 SAS and even the 1300GS. A value alternative will be the V strom 1050.
Here in Brazil (it is manufactured here and in Japan, including the DCT) it lasts for 3 years without km limit and there is still assistance and rescue in the field in several countries in the region.