My only concern is that lowering the barrier to entry on high performance bikes by adding DCT will enable those who literally do not know how to ride a motorcycle to start rolling down the road faster. Having to learn a clutch is a barrier that I think filters out the most low-effort would-be squids who will never get an endorsement
@@bishopmabry2054 I'm not entirely sure it really applies here. Many modern bikes have quickshifters, so you don't really have to use the clutch, but it allows you to be quicker, and I don't see people complaining about qs's.
I have a '21 africa twin DCT and my list of dont likes is far shorter than the list of likes. The main problem with the DCT is you can't disengage the engine from the driveline once it hooks up. That makes low speed maneuvers a bit of a lurch fest. You can't feather the clutch or just plain pull it in and coast to a stop, etc. I think that's the only thing I don't like about it. Everything else is a plus over a manual in my experience....
I own a DCT africa twin from 2020 , about the engine braking situation, one thing, there is a option to increase or decrease the engine braking and probably you have the less braking engine option, that is why you have the user 1 or user 2, you can select how much power, engine brake, wheelie control on the menu to suit your own taste.
I was thinking that the DCT is truly remarkable in terms of accessibility. It might not be for everyone but it serves an amazing purpose for a great number of people
@@SilverPaladin I have an Airbag system that lowers the bike onto the ground or if you want the system can be linked up to a switch that lowers a center stand instead of the left side kickstand. it's pretty neat.
I'm 71 and only got back into riding 3 years ago. I love the DCT on my Rebel 1100 with the African Twin engine. The bike is light, easy to handle, and in city traffic, the DCT is great. On the highway, cruising at the speed limit with cruise control for long rides is also a huge plus. Although I am only 5'7" I found I had to put on control extenders to stretch out a bit. I also have added a Puig windscreen which works really well at highway speeds. For additional comfort, I added an Airhawk inflatable cushion to the seat. To make a long story short, for senior riders like me, the DCT turns the bike into an "old man's scooter":-)
I've owned a Africa DCT for awhile. Greatest road bike I've ridden for onroad/light offroad touring. Glad you finally tried one. Can't imagine a better "Adventure" touring bike and I've ridden most everything out there.
I’m a “purist” love shifting. Wanted one of these. My riding buddy got the dct. Rode it and said I need manual. Then he had me borrow it for a weekend, showed me how to adjust settings for power, engine break exc. I was sold after that weekend. Over 13k miles later still love it ride it all over Colorado, ohv, highway. Great bikes. I am lucky enough to still have a grom and yz250x to shift. Don’t think I could do dct for an only bike but they are more capable than most riders and can be adjusted to most preferences.
Have you figured out a good setup to tackle wind noise? I love mine but am thinking selling it because I cherish my hearing. Crazy loud even with plugs and a shoei rf1400.
Yeah but if you ever need to off-road (which if you do adventure runs you will need to) manual just allows you to have way more control over your bike. I would much prefer if they put a quickshift for manual models.
@@nogerboher5266 I did the CO and WY BDRs no issues. Just put in manual mode. I had a lot of similar thoughts til I rode one. I ride it off road regularly. There’s a learning curve just like on any bike, but there’s no loss of control you can hold gears, go to neutral or use a controlled amount of rear brake under power to get the same effect of feathering the clutch. I would also make the point that using the paddle shifter in manual is fast and can be easier on difficult terrain. I’m not saying it’s better, just different and as with all bikes the rider is the limiting factor.
I have a 2017 AT (DCT)….The way to get the most out of it in the twisties is to have it in “sport 111” but use the paddle shifters to override the computer… It’s simple really… works a treat and I have no problem keeping up with my mates… cheers Dude..
Looking to start on the NC750X DCT. Guy at the dealer calls it an "old man's bike" or a "glorified scooter". I don't care, for people who want a more casual experience or have some mobility issues in their left hand or foot - DCT is amazing. To each their own, DCTs make a ton of sense for a huge market.
A lot of people aren't very smart... they get some kind of identity out of being able to pull and push levers. Just smile and nod, and do what you want.
@@AyaWetts yeah I just categorise it with guys who call it pointless to start on anything smaller than 1000cc. No point arguing, just do what makes sense to you.
I would be looking for another dealer; someplace that understands what advantages technology can bring to the riding experience. Realistically, I don't find anything casual about riding my DCT equipped bike - it is every bit *involved* as any of the many manual transmission equipped bikes I've owned over the years. The NC750X DCT is a nice bike. Before getting that bike, I'd suggest you take a Motorcycle Safety Foundation new rider course - you will learn a lot about how to handle a bike and be safer as you start this riding journey.
@@captainjim605 I'D second that. A dealer with that attitude doesn't really care in general and probably more specifically about this bike and doesn't even care about potentially insulting his customer. Don't give people iike that money.
Joke's on him: there's nothing wrong with scooters! If you want excitement, get a motorbike. If you want practicality, get a scooter. The fact that the NC750 gets called a scooter is simply a testament to its practicality.
I have 2 DCT. 2021 goldwing tour. 2023 rebel 1100. Greatest thing ever. It's so convenient and fun. And these bikes absolutely fly. I mean RIP, The young man in me raced Corvette, Maserati, Camaro and smoked them all. The goldwing is a rocket ship. Especially in sport mode. I mean full 125 hp non stop pulling. I will never go back to a regular clutch bike. Ps, I ride about 40,000 miles a year.
I love the convenience of my 2019 Honda NC750X DCT. On twisty mountain roads I take over the decision making and shift with the pushbuttons so I get engine braking before corners instead of unwanted downshifts in the middle of corners. Sport 3 comes pretty close to what I want in the mountains though. In city traffic I’ll punch the downshift button for engine braking or positioning in traffic but mostly let the machine save energy with its early shifting in drive mode. I get about 75 mpg (US gallons) that way. Have taken one long tour and will do more. I would definitely get another DCT bike if it was the right one but I also ride a Harley Dyna Lowrider so I’m not adverse to shifting and don’t absolutely require the convenience. Just nice to have.
In my NC750, if I engage the DCT sport mode by holding down the drive button, the transmission holds revs much better and does downshift at the right times automatically. I found sport mode 2 to be perfect for aggressive canyon riding. Sport mode 3 would never go into 6th which I found a bit more aggressive than I needed.
On my nc750, I have P 4 EB 2 Trac 2 dct 4. I found it great for twisty roads. When I watch reviews on Honda dct and when reviewer carry on that it doesn’t engine brake or shift to early its a little disappointing because it’s a great system if you know how to set it up.
I had a similar problem on slow turns in S2 and to an extent, S3 as well. On an AT. It would hold 2nd gear even when it was clear it's not going to work, and then downshift while I was already leaning. If I had a manual and made a similar error, I'd let the clutch slip a bit instead but DCT doesn't like that.
Looking good Spite! Can definitely see you’ve lost a substantial amount of weight. Much cheaper than shedding weight from your bike and healthier to boot.
I own one and absolutely love it. I recommend reading the owner’s manual and understanding all the features before passing judgement. When the personal settings are dialed in the bike becomes an intuitive extension of your riding style. Not having to focus on gear management allows more energy for other riding demands and increases enjoyment.
Why do guys who have never ridden a DCT do reviews- I have had 2 Goldwings with DCT’s have ridden everything from small dirt bikes to Harley’s and the DCT is so great on highways including twisties- you can override the auto scenario and down shift - up shift whenever you want or put it into full manual and you paddle shift at will - no different than what quickshifters are trying to accomplish. The only scenario I have no idea about the DCT’s application is on aggressive dirt riding, no clutch to slip in those certain situations. As well it does add weight which on a gravel road ok but not desirable on single track. The DCT is the future for most applications no doubt- unless you are set in your ways and want a manual transmission- clutch
Well now they have the Honda E Clutch in Europe, that will be something to watch. Only available on the 650's at the moment i believe though. Basically an auto clutch and quickshifter, many benefits of dct but you still use foot shifter
It's brilliant, I have a 2016 w/DCT. And yes I ride is in heavy off-road, I'm not racing supercross or hard enduro. Lived in downtown Dallas not tap dancing the shifter was nice in traffic, have ridden it over 1000 miles in a day several times, again beauty, and now dual sporting in Michigan's Upper Peninsula perfect (okay I don't hit swamps in the spring melt or go ice racing). My other bikes (6) have manuals their great also. But, I've been riding over 50 years and its perfectly engineered for the new day and wracking up miles
I’m on my second DCT bike, a Rebel 1100, it rips and although I enjoyed clutching and shifting bikes in the past I now prefer to not, it’s The Good Life especially now that my hand and wrist can not tolerate even a moderately heavy clutch pull. I did look into the Africa Twin but the Rebel ergonomics are closer to my liking even though they are bizarre but I’m working on that.
I put 3 inch risers on my 1100T DCT, made a huge difference in ergonomics for me. I love the DCT as well. Small learning curve, as you mentioned, but such a payoff longterm.
Many new bikes have "slipper assist" clutches which also have weaker clutch springs and so a noticeably lighter clutch lever pull. Much easier on the left hand and wrist.
@@joshlambert1247 I installed Rox 4”, helps a ton. Also got a Corbin seat. Next is forward foot controls or lowing the pegs an inch. Waiting on Madstad’s windshield.
Taller seat helps, I put on a Mustang seat and two gel pads on mine to give it 3-or-so inch lift over stock, and it feels way better. Risers seem to help, but it's a more involved process.
Most common motorcycle injuries are foot and ankle injuries. Dct lets a lot of riders keep riding without having to switch to a cvt scooter or trike, or an electric. For daily commuting it also makes a lot of sense. Say you want to ride to work but like me you work long hours and are on your feet the entire time. Dct means you can ride it kind of like a scooter mainly using your hands. As you really don’t need the rear brake if you are taking it easy.
I have DCT in both a gold wing and AT. I love it. I also have many bikes without DCT. My preference is to use the sport 2 mode, manually down shift into corners to get the level of engine braking I want, and let the computer upshift. A very comfortable way to ride. When it is time to get sporty, or anything technical, just use manual mode.
100%, this is my next bike when I retire in 1 year. Rode one of these and once I got used to it, I was blown away by the technology. I’ll be selling my GS. The DCT is a game changer, as is the new Honda AT. Great bike all around.
When I rode a DCT Honda for a couple days, I stayed mostly in manual mode, and loved it. It's great eliminating several semi-complex physical actions needed every few seconds (depending on where and how you're riding, of course), and made riding considerably more fun. Now, I'm not saying I would want DCT on EVERY bike I own, not at all; but as a technology, I really like it, and I'm really looking forward to Handa's new 'E'-Clutch. Kudos to Honda for daring to try something new..! Also, it's worth remembering, when DCT transmissions first showed up in cars, everybody said 'oh, it's just something for really hi-performance sports cars, a really specialized set-up, certainly not beyond that, it's practically Formula 1 technology!' Now, of course, the vast majority of cars that are automatic use DCT's, and there's a LOT more automatics being sold than manuals. So I say, best not to be too quick to judge, one day not too long from now motorcycles might be using DCT's at the same proportion as cars right now..!
For my "fun" bike on the road, I'd opt for a traditional manual, but for commuting to work in stop and go traffic I would LOVE a DCT. That NC750X is amazing for that. I actually enjoyed the DCT in the twisties, I didn't have to worry about what gear, shifting in a turn, feathering the clutch... it was weird to get used to though, but ultimately this removes a big barrier of entry into motorcycling for some. And if it's not for you, that's fine, at least we got options! The only thing I hate about DCT is it causes all these gatekeeping types to come out and say it's not a real bike, or you're not a real motorcyclist if you don't learn how to shift, or shifting is the real experience, blah blah blah. I say we need the innovation to keep motorcycling relevant and attract new riders, or our kind will get fewer and fewer. More options is just better for everyone, so don't hate on anyone who likes something different. Props to Honda for continuing to provide innovation and options to us! Great video Spite.
I currently ride a 2019 Goldwing Tour DCT and it has been awesome. I just turned 100,000 miles on it this week. Maybe the Goldwing is programmed differently but my Sport mode is aggressive and very responsive. It holds gears both up and down to give you max acceleration and good engine braking. Tour Mode of course relaxes that a bit. I think if you had time to tune the User Modes more on the press bike you were riding, you would be amazed at how competent the system is. I'm 66 years old and have been riding since I was 14 so of course all my previous bikes have been manual transmissions. My adaptation to the new DCT from my previous Goldwing (288,000+ miles) took about 2 weeks and then I never thought about it again.
I think its awesome this option exists. The E-Clutch sounds like the next step in quickshifter technology. I would definitely get it if presented with that option.
You can bolt on a shift lever and use it in manual or automatic to override the current gear. Some people are also putting a "hand operated" rear brake where the clutch lever usually sits
Completely different transmission type (CVT) on my 03 Silverwing (600 cc twin), but the only reason for this comment is that sometimes, a twist and go bike can make for a very nice ride (I have 2 Honda ST1100s which are regular manual bikes, so it’s nice to switch off between the 3 bikes). I call the Silverwing the 2 wheeled office chair. Very nice for a long cruise.
Great review Spite! As someone with a partially paralyzed left leg the DCT on the Africa Twin was a God send and got me into riding. I know have to normal sport bikes that I've fitted with adaptive electronic foot shifters but if it wasn't for the DCT I never would have gotten started! Mine is a 2022 with the 21" Front wheel but I think your review was spot on. Only niggle I have is that the electronic suspensions setup and adjustability for on/off road is incredible on the machine and such a big selling point I've seen a few reviewers skip on. Overall the 2020-2023 AFAS are the best versions of this machine.
I've had my my DCT Goldwing for a year and the only thing I miss about a manual transmission is extending the fingers of my left hand and resting them on the clutch lever while stopped at a red light. I rode my bike on the Tail of the Dragon and had no issues with the DCT. My Dragon run was fine and I had no problems at all.
My wife has a Rebel 1100 DCT and loves it, I live in Victoria Texas so if you ever want to try it out let me know. The Rebel and Goldwing DCT make perfect sense as you said for just cruising around. Out of the box the Africa Twin DCT seems a bit.. misplaced maybe? Now I don't ride dirt yet, but it seems like the big possible advantage of an off-road capable DCT is that you could relatively easily move the rear brake control to the left handlebar, which would allow you to freely pivot with either foot whenever you wanted while keeping controls available, and THAT would seem to be a big advantage.
Like you said. More choices more better. Motorcycl industry is dying allready without gatekeeping. If this would be the accessory that gets somebody into motorcycling so be it. More the merrier
I've only used the DCT on a short test ride. I didn't think I'd like it but I was wrong. In the twisties I would just switch to manual mode and shift using the paddle shifters to keep it from changing gears mid corner.
I own an NC 750 DCT for a couple of years. Nobody seems to know that there is an accessory to add a foot lever for shifting. For me that lever, even if its still electronic makes all the difference. In the city i go full DCT and when want a more sportier ride i go full manual shifting with my foot. Man i love that option. I think the AT also have the foot lever accessory and i don't understan why honda does not advertising it more. It was real diffucult for me to find a shop to buy it. And it is an original Honda part!. You can install it yourself in half an hour.
I’ve got an Africa Twin DTC (in Repsol colours 🧡) I’ve had it for almost ten months. Early spring I went for a random solo adventure around Europe wild camping sleeping by my Africa twin in the woods under a tarp. Found myself having to pick it up a few times in wet mud and gravel. But that’s what crash frames on these types of bikes are for. It’s a big adventure bike, and requires a big adventure. If everything goes to plan, it’s not an adventure! That’s why I bought mine…. Plus I havnt got a left leg to change gears the traditional way 😂👍🏻 People I know who have this bike ride I automatic, I don’t. I like to control the revs with manual mode and know when I’m changing gears, especially when I’m off road going up and down hill on the thing. Even automatic sport mode…. I don’t bother. I’m just wheely happy to finally be riding again! 😁 Great bike all round! My only problem’ish with DCT is the extra weight. About 25kg I believe. But there’s a solution to that, hit the gym and it feels a lot lighter 😂 At the end of the day, whatever way shape or form, always keep riding! 😉👍🏻
This video is a good example of a relatively big influencer with absolutely no idea what he is talking about and how this can influence the audience with false information. Engine brake is what you can adjust, if you happen to know what you are doing and read the manual for example or just pay attention during the explanation.
I've come from a 2022 and 2023 Goldwing DCT tours and while DCT is clever and takes the work outta the job it also takes some fun out of it too. I recently bought a 2024 Africa Twin Adventure sport with a manual gearbox and the fun is back in motorcycling. More to do, more to focus on but also more engagment and more fun. I ride bikes for fun. Not because I need to get somewhere or to work. If you want fun go with a manual if you want a utilitarian manchine go with the DCT. Hondas DCT is very good and reliable.
I'm riding a Honda NT1100 DCT. With regards to downshifting when riding twisties. I find you have to help the engine by changing down with the paddle shifter. That then gives plenty of engine braking.
I’m not sure you’re in the right mode because if you were there’s absolutely no way a manual can even come close to keeping up with the DCT. Watch some drag race videos and you’ll see. The Goldwing DCT runs off and leaves the manual in a drag race with both in sport mode! It’s like you didn’t even research the bike before getting on it. Engine braking is adjustable.
To be fair, it's still a legit review, because not everybody wants to get nerdy about these things... or is capable of getting nerdy. So this is probably the experience these persons will have.
I have a previous generation DCT on a Honda CTX - love it! My curiosity was piqued by the Rebel 1100 with DCT, but that bike was not a good fit for me ergonomically. The CTX, on the other hand, fits me like it was made for me... after a few mods (Corbin seat, installed floorboards). I've been riding for 57 years, owned a bunch of bikes over those years. I have no issue with a clutch, but I find the DCT to be interesting technology that rides pretty much the way I prefer (in Sport Mode), with the occasional use of the paddle shifters to put the bike in the gear I want at the time. Seems that some people use the DCT as an "automatic transmission" and are disappointed with the performance... DUH. Or, they say, "The bike doesn't downshift when I want before a curve"... again: DUH. You still have to think and anticipate. After several years with the CTX, I don't see another manual transmission bike in my future. Yes, it is *that* good. The more time you spend with the DCT, the more you appreciate how it works, especially when pushing the bike through the twisties. Thanks for the review on the Africa Twin.
It has been mentioned in the comments already, but ride modes are more important with a DCT than they are with a manual. A lot of his complaints are based off presets and likely incorrect settings for what he's asking. I have a Rebel 1100 DCT and its a completely different bike depending on the settings. I use custom mode 2/3/3/1 for daily commuting and it's an easy-going cruiser with plenty of power for highway passing but not so snappy that's hard to ride very slowly in parking lots or heavy traffic (also gets 50mpg at this setting). Now change that to "Sport Mode" or 3/1/2/3 and the bike turns into a snappy (somewhat heavy) naked bike that is constantly trying to stay in the high-rev range. The two settings are so different that the bike doesn't even sound like the same bike between them... He spoke of it not engine braking when it wanted it to. This can be adjusted by changing the third setting or "EB" and the fourth setting or "D". Something like 3/1/3/3 would keep the RPM up and increase the engine braking to its most aggressive. There is no stock setting like this, you would need to use the custom setting.
I think if you had a DCT for a year of riding you would find more benefits and shifting style changes, it is a whole new style of riding so it's unfamiliar as a regular clutch is to a new rider. Over time you would maximize the benefits of it and might be surprised at how much better it actually might be.
I have the european cousin of the AT, the NT1100 in DCT. Originally ordered a manual but Honda isn't producing enough manuals and the wait list was going to be over a year. Ended up getting a DCT model instead. It took a while for the gearbox to learn especially considering we have a lot of twists and turns here and it was always in too high of a gear. Eventually it learnt to hold gears now. I Still need to give it the odd manual downshift to override it but I don't mind it. In all, I really like it and it makes touring much easier, letting you focus on the unknown roads ahead rather than whether you're in the right gear or not. No surprise hill is going to cause you to stall or tip over.
I had a Honda Talon UTV for a while, which utilizes the AT DTC trans / motor. HATED it. But, admittedly that might have been more related to the suspension being really stiff, and the traditional cable operated throttle. bouncing around on the trail caused the buggy to be real choppy, jerky, and gross. DCT searching for gears in automatic mode made it miserable. Can find used DCT ATs in my area EVERYWHERE. Was pretty telling IMO. Glad you did the ride Spite! I still think the base '16-19 AT w/ a built suspension would be a hard bike to beat--even today, but my Vstrom 800de is good'nuff! Go ride a Vstrom and tell me what you think Spite!
I have 70,000 km on my 2020 AT DCT. Always ride in Sport3. To engage Sport Mode just tap Transmission Switch once you are in D. The DCT shifts on que in Sport mode. In Drive mode it is a dog and upshifts at too low rpm… feels like you are lugging. You can easily program features like Engine Brake, Traction Control, Wheelie Control to suit your rider preferences.. Also you can override up shift AND downshifts by using the Paddle Shifters. You suggested you prefer a Quick Shifter… well you can “Quickshift” anytime with the paddles… no need to “blip” the Throttle. May I suggest read the Owners Manual before you offer a review
I like it so much that I am on my 3rd one. Perfect bike. Mine (2018) really only lacks cruise control for my needs. I mostly commute and tour. I've chased and kept up with many a sportsbike through the canyons in So Cal. Done multiple Iron Butts, and I daily my bike.
Did you fiddle with the fully adjustable electronic suspension at all? I'm pretty sure you can make it as hard or as soft as you'd want on the fly, and the DCT also has standard D + 3 sport levels of adjustment. I test rode one recently and its cool, but its not for me. Am eClutch would be much better on the AT
I have an ATAS 2018 DCT. Tend to run it in Sport 2 mode, Urban setting. Touring mode gives the most power. You can adjust the engine braking. I scrape pegs on mine from time to time, thats about 50 degree lean…Its also quite able offroad, it has an amazing ability to pick the right gesr, and you cant stall it…
Another type of automatic clutch systems are the recluse ones that differ from a DCT and are more like an eclutch. Huskvarna offers these as an example.
Think of dct as an electrically shifted manual. There is an electric motor mounted to the left side of the engine. The same basic setup used on modern 4x4 transfer cases. I rarely use the manual mode, but can always downshift when I feel the need. No more throttle blipping and clutch feathering on takeoff from a traffic light. While others are engaging their clutches i am leaving the other side of the intersection. Best part is excellent fuel economy in the D setting.
Absolutely love my africa twin dct but i am thinking of selling it because of the wind noise. I always wear plugs and have a shoei rf1400 helmet. I ride with the winsdcreen off. That seems to be the quitest I have found. Please give suggestions on setups if you have them. Mind bendingly loud even with plugs which makes me think something else is going on.
I had a DCT Honda Rebel 1100 for a bit. I feel like it definitely shifted too much trying to be more economical in fuel economy, etc. Definitely a cruising vibe. And you are right about riding it in other situations.
I rode AT with DCT and did have the same problem with it. As I was going to a turn, it would regularly be in too high of a gear and low RPM. Now if this happened with a manual, I'd put a lower gear before the turn or ride the clutch a bit until I start accelerating from the turn. DCT does not do either, instead option to put lower gear when you're already leaning, upsetting the bike and also changing the power of the engine due to different RPMs. Even in S2 it was not exactly eager to downshift, especially to 1st. Now maybe I shouldn't have taken it to a really technical road (
I love my wife's nc750x dct for commuting. Stop and go traffic, it's great. You can't stall it. Plus i love the parking brake for warming the engine parked on a slope
I have a Rebel 1100 DCT. One thing I don't like about it is how jerky the throttle can be at low speeds. It's either closed, or trying to haul ass. Is the Africa Twin kinda the same? Wondering if it's a DCT thing, or just their tuning of the engine. Also, for the DCT being a thing in general, I think it's great for people who can't/don't want to have to manually shift. I've seen a few people get the Rebel 1100 because they have injuries or disabilities that would stop them from being able to easily ride a traditional bike. It's good to have as an option for people who want it. The E-Clutch is definitely gonna be interesting. I wanna test ride a bike that has it. I'm currently selling my bike so that I can get a manual bike and get that engagement from manually shifting again.
Hey Spite, just dropping a comment to tell you that you were the main reason I bought my 2023 Sportster S, 2022 1290 Superduke R EVO(I totalled her 😢) 2023 Z H2 SE, and soon to be 690 enduro R. Big fan brother, from a 5’4 asian guy
Only reason someone would hate on the DCT is that they don't understand how it gives accessability to other riders, who in my case can't feel the shifter. I have a 23' Rebel 1100 DCT and love it. 😊
I have a Rebel 1100 DCT. My commute to work has a couple of slow speed tight turns (practically, U-turns). The DCT sometimes shifts mid turn and it's very unsettling. Honda should have a steering angle sensor on the frame's steering stem to prevent up-shifting after a certain angle (not lean angle) and less than a certain speed. i.e. >±30°@
I think DCT is a great thing! Also prefer to shift myself like I prefer a manual car over an automatic. But it's definitely an awesome thing to get people on two wheels who encounter trouble with shifting.
Just sold my bike with a quickshifter for one without. Don't miss it one little bit. DCT sounds interesting I wondered if the mode you were in had not much engine brake in it?
I want an NC750X DCT just to ride to work. I think it'd be great when I'm all tired and beat up from a long day to just cruise home without shifting. I've driven over 1.5 million miles in manual transmission tractor trailers and let me tell you I love the new automatic trucks. I'm completely over shifting ANY gears...
I rented an Africa Twin DCT before i bought my manual ATAS. The biggest thing i did not like was the added weight and where it carried that weight. It felt a lot more top heavy than the regular Africa Twin and i did not like it.
There's definitely a place for the DCT's just not at my place...when i was looking for my 2023 rebel 1100 finding a manual took some time...but the DCT is awesome for those with physical limitations &/or for someone just wanting to get out & cruise especially if it involves traffic....but for me personally i prefer the manual transmission.
I love my AT ES dct. I have not had any trouble going between my Ducati Supersport and the AT. I'm generally in urban mode when I commute into downtown Austin. There are a lot of controls vs most other motorcycles and so there is a long time learning curve to know everything. Note: DCT is really nice when I have to deal with traffic. BTW you can full adjust engine breaking or any other setting for the engine and suspension while on the go.
Thanks for the video! This is great engineering that makes some happy and some traditionalists less welcoming. It seems the overall reception was positive, since other manufacturers are following Honda's path. I just all manufacturers will be able to make it smaller and lighter.
0:45 Personally, I'd describe a DCT as more like a manual transmission that's being operated by a computer. The computer operates the clutch, the shift switch on the handlebar sends a signal to that computer which them does the actual shifting...possibly even shifts according to its own internal algorithm if there's a fully "automatic" mode. But internally, it still has meshed gears sets and a clutch, not a torque converter and epicyclic gears like a traditional automatic trans.
Makes sense given that (at least i think) the overleaf car term for gearboxes like dcts is automated manual
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DCT… You have to love technology. This is one of the greatest technological advancement in this line of transportation. Whether is a motorcycle or an ATV or a SXS. I am a late boomer in the motorcycle field and I was looking for one to commute and I got lucky I found the NC750X. By far the best 2 wheel commuter in the whole planet! Thank you Honda!
I think they should have programmable modes where for example custom sport mode where you can choose at what rpms it shifts up, same for all other modes That's the only way your bike would really feel like your bike imo. an adjustable delay should be there too, less delay if you want 'less control', more delay before auto shift kicks in if you wanna maybe manually shift up
Would be stoked when the Honda e-clutch system got into your hand. I'd love to see you do a video of that :D. People who's already tried it said it's very similar to DCT with the upside of being hell lot cheaper
I have honda rebel 2022 dct, it's super awesome! like actually I've tested africa twin because at the time rebel wasn't available for few months to test (and I had to order one year in advance) and it's been best motocycle that I've ridden (the africa twin, rebel is pretty much as good for me)
Interesting, but not for me, then I don't like automatics in cars either. I'm 61, been riding since I was a kid. I like changing gears, blipping the throttle on an aggressive down change, I won't even have a quick shifter on my bike. I only have one modern bike, a 2022 Pan Am, the army green version, and my other bike is an 1988 Low Rider Sport, hotted up these days and with a sidecar most of the time, I still love to ride it because it is very raw, no ABS or TCS. I love the Pan Am, I use it as a sports tourer and commuter in the city, I have taken it off road, but it is a bit heavy for off road.
I’d love if more bikes had options like this. BMW is coming out with their version of an “automatic” bike. I think it’s cool to have the option. It’s currently not an option for majority of manufacturers
what a great looking Africa Twin Gold Wing Edition, I really like it, I wonder if the local Gold Wing "Wing Ding" Group will let me attend the monthly meeting with my new Africa Twin Gold Wing Edition.
DCT’s in car speak is usually a love then or hate them experience. Unless they have been dialled in to also suit low speed conditions. In general, they provide the best experience when being pushed as the gear changes tend to be crisper than say a benchmarked automatic transmission like the ZF 8 speed used by several manufacturers around the globe. The DCT does make more sense on two wheels and Honda have finally got it just about perfect.
DCT and manual require two different riding styles/inputs to make the bikes react the same way. One can not learn to make a DCT react like a manual in an hour or a day while on a test ride for the first time. I have no trouble with trail or engine braking twistys on my 2018 AT AS DCT. Embrace the difference, it's what makes having a manual and a DCT transmission in the garage a blast.
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My only concern is that lowering the barrier to entry on high performance bikes by adding DCT will enable those who literally do not know how to ride a motorcycle to start rolling down the road faster. Having to learn a clutch is a barrier that I think filters out the most low-effort would-be squids who will never get an endorsement
@@bishopmabry2054 I'm not entirely sure it really applies here. Many modern bikes have quickshifters, so you don't really have to use the clutch, but it allows you to be quicker, and I don't see people complaining about qs's.
@@andres_pz Even with a quick shifter you still have to use the clutch to initially take off in first.
I have a '21 africa twin DCT and my list of dont likes is far shorter than the list of likes. The main problem with the DCT is you can't disengage the engine from the driveline once it hooks up. That makes low speed maneuvers a bit of a lurch fest. You can't feather the clutch or just plain pull it in and coast to a stop, etc. I think that's the only thing I don't like about it. Everything else is a plus over a manual in my experience....
I own a DCT africa twin from 2020 , about the engine braking situation, one thing, there is a option to increase or decrease the engine braking and probably you have the less braking engine option, that is why you have the user 1 or user 2, you can select how much power, engine brake, wheelie control on the menu to suit your own taste.
This bike is perfect for riders such as myself since I’m a left leg amputee.
I was thinking that the DCT is truly remarkable in terms of accessibility. It might not be for everyone but it serves an amazing purpose for a great number of people
I guess a hand lever system to operate the kickstand?
So happy you can still enjoy the thrill that is motorcycling.
Love and respect from Australia Bro
Actually the only respectable use-case
@@SilverPaladin I have an Airbag system that lowers the bike onto the ground or if you want the system can be linked up to a switch that lowers a center stand instead of the left side kickstand. it's pretty neat.
I'm 71 and only got back into riding 3 years ago. I love the DCT on my Rebel 1100 with the African Twin engine. The bike is light, easy to handle, and in city traffic, the DCT is great. On the highway, cruising at the speed limit with cruise control for long rides is also a huge plus. Although I am only 5'7" I found I had to put on control extenders to stretch out a bit. I also have added a Puig windscreen which works really well at highway speeds. For additional comfort, I added an Airhawk inflatable cushion to the seat. To make a long story short, for senior riders like me, the DCT turns the bike into an "old man's scooter":-)
I've owned a Africa DCT for awhile. Greatest road bike I've ridden for onroad/light offroad touring. Glad you finally tried one. Can't imagine a better "Adventure" touring bike and I've ridden most everything out there.
I met an older dude that was handicap after a stroke. This let him keep riding so it’s awesome!
I’m a “purist” love shifting. Wanted one of these. My riding buddy got the dct. Rode it and said I need manual. Then he had me borrow it for a weekend, showed me how to adjust settings for power, engine break exc. I was sold after that weekend. Over 13k miles later still love it ride it all over Colorado, ohv, highway. Great bikes. I am lucky enough to still have a grom and yz250x to shift. Don’t think I could do dct for an only bike but they are more capable than most riders and can be adjusted to most preferences.
Have you figured out a good setup to tackle wind noise? I love mine but am thinking selling it because I cherish my hearing. Crazy loud even with plugs and a shoei rf1400.
Yeah but if you ever need to off-road (which if you do adventure runs you will need to) manual just allows you to have way more control over your bike. I would much prefer if they put a quickshift for manual models.
@@nogerboher5266 I did the CO and WY BDRs no issues. Just put in manual mode. I had a lot of similar thoughts til I rode one. I ride it off road regularly. There’s a learning curve just like on any bike, but there’s no loss of control you can hold gears, go to neutral or use a controlled amount of rear brake under power to get the same effect of feathering the clutch. I would also make the point that using the paddle shifter in manual is fast and can be easier on difficult terrain. I’m not saying it’s better, just different and as with all bikes the rider is the limiting factor.
I have a 2017 AT (DCT)….The way to get the most out of it in the twisties is to have it in “sport 111” but use the paddle shifters to override the computer… It’s simple really… works a treat and I have no problem keeping up with my mates… cheers Dude..
Looking to start on the NC750X DCT. Guy at the dealer calls it an "old man's bike" or a "glorified scooter". I don't care, for people who want a more casual experience or have some mobility issues in their left hand or foot - DCT is amazing.
To each their own, DCTs make a ton of sense for a huge market.
A lot of people aren't very smart... they get some kind of identity out of being able to pull and push levers. Just smile and nod, and do what you want.
@@AyaWetts yeah I just categorise it with guys who call it pointless to start on anything smaller than 1000cc. No point arguing, just do what makes sense to you.
I would be looking for another dealer; someplace that understands what advantages technology can bring to the riding experience. Realistically, I don't find anything casual about riding my DCT equipped bike - it is every bit *involved* as any of the many manual transmission equipped bikes I've owned over the years. The NC750X DCT is a nice bike. Before getting that bike, I'd suggest you take a Motorcycle Safety Foundation new rider course - you will learn a lot about how to handle a bike and be safer as you start this riding journey.
@@captainjim605 I'D second that. A dealer with that attitude doesn't really care in general and probably more specifically about this bike and doesn't even care about potentially insulting his customer. Don't give people iike that money.
Joke's on him: there's nothing wrong with scooters! If you want excitement, get a motorbike. If you want practicality, get a scooter. The fact that the NC750 gets called a scooter is simply a testament to its practicality.
I have 2 DCT. 2021 goldwing tour. 2023 rebel 1100. Greatest thing ever. It's so convenient and fun. And these bikes absolutely fly. I mean RIP, The young man in me raced Corvette, Maserati, Camaro and smoked them all. The goldwing is a rocket ship. Especially in sport mode. I mean full 125 hp non stop pulling. I will never go back to a regular clutch bike. Ps, I ride about 40,000 miles a year.
I love the convenience of my 2019 Honda NC750X DCT. On twisty mountain roads I take over the decision making and shift with the pushbuttons so I get engine braking before corners instead of unwanted downshifts in the middle of corners. Sport 3 comes pretty close to what I want in the mountains though.
In city traffic I’ll punch the downshift button for engine braking or positioning in traffic but mostly let the machine save energy with its early shifting in drive mode. I get about 75 mpg (US gallons) that way.
Have taken one long tour and will do more. I would definitely get another DCT bike if it was the right one but I also ride a Harley Dyna Lowrider so I’m not adverse to shifting and don’t absolutely require the convenience. Just nice to have.
In my NC750, if I engage the DCT sport mode by holding down the drive button, the transmission holds revs much better and does downshift at the right times automatically. I found sport mode 2 to be perfect for aggressive canyon riding. Sport mode 3 would never go into 6th which I found a bit more aggressive than I needed.
agree, I think Spike was in normal D mode in the twisties at the 11 minute mark.
On my nc750, I have P 4 EB 2 Trac 2 dct 4. I found it great for twisty roads. When I watch reviews on Honda dct and when reviewer carry on that it doesn’t engine brake or shift to early its a little disappointing because it’s a great system if you know how to set it up.
I had a similar problem on slow turns in S2 and to an extent, S3 as well. On an AT. It would hold 2nd gear even when it was clear it's not going to work, and then downshift while I was already leaning. If I had a manual and made a similar error, I'd let the clutch slip a bit instead but DCT doesn't like that.
Looking good Spite! Can definitely see you’ve lost a substantial amount of weight. Much cheaper than shedding weight from your bike and healthier to boot.
I own one and absolutely love it. I recommend reading the owner’s manual and understanding all the features before passing judgement. When the personal settings are dialed in the bike becomes an intuitive extension of your riding style. Not having to focus on gear management allows more energy for other riding demands and increases enjoyment.
Seems you are overthinking the brilliant DCT system.
Just put it into Sport3 if You wanna Go full blast.
Relax & enjoy the ride…
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I think this would be nice in city street light to street light traffic. I get annoyed at constantly running up and down the gears every block
It's PERFECT for that
You can put it into sport, it'll hold the gears longer
As silly as it sounds, high power sport bikes are nice for street light to light traffic too, never have to leave first 😂
Running through the gears as part of the fun
Get a fucking moped? 🙄
Why do guys who have never ridden a DCT do reviews- I have had 2 Goldwings with DCT’s have ridden everything from small dirt bikes to Harley’s and the DCT is so great on highways including twisties- you can override the auto scenario and down shift - up shift whenever you want or put it into full manual and you paddle shift at will - no different than what quickshifters are trying to accomplish. The only scenario I have no idea about the DCT’s application is on aggressive dirt riding, no clutch to slip in those certain situations. As well it does add weight which on a gravel road ok but not desirable on single track. The DCT is the future for most applications no doubt- unless you are set in your ways and want a manual transmission- clutch
Highways is where DCT (never having ridden one) seems less useful as you rarely downshift
Well now they have the Honda E Clutch in Europe, that will be something to watch. Only available on the 650's at the moment i believe though. Basically an auto clutch and quickshifter, many benefits of dct but you still use foot shifter
@@connor3288 that thing should judder the bike and make yours and pillion's helmets clank, like the "real thing" . Nah
It's brilliant, I have a 2016 w/DCT. And yes I ride is in heavy off-road, I'm not racing supercross or hard enduro. Lived in downtown Dallas not tap dancing the shifter was nice in traffic, have ridden it over 1000 miles in a day several times, again beauty, and now dual sporting in Michigan's Upper Peninsula perfect (okay I don't hit swamps in the spring melt or go ice racing). My other bikes (6) have manuals their great also. But, I've been riding over 50 years and its perfectly engineered for the new day and wracking up miles
I’m on my second DCT bike, a Rebel 1100, it rips and although I enjoyed clutching and shifting bikes in the past I now prefer to not, it’s The Good Life especially now that my hand and wrist can not tolerate even a moderately heavy clutch pull. I did look into the Africa Twin but the Rebel ergonomics are closer to my liking even though they are bizarre but I’m working on that.
I put 3 inch risers on my 1100T DCT, made a huge difference in ergonomics for me. I love the DCT as well. Small learning curve, as you mentioned, but such a payoff longterm.
Many new bikes have "slipper assist" clutches which also have weaker clutch springs and so a noticeably lighter clutch lever pull. Much easier on the left hand and wrist.
@@joshlambert1247 I installed Rox 4”, helps a ton. Also got a Corbin seat. Next is forward foot controls or lowing the pegs an inch. Waiting on Madstad’s windshield.
@@doughoffman9463 Yes it definitely helps. I think I’m full auto for life now though.
Taller seat helps, I put on a Mustang seat and two gel pads on mine to give it 3-or-so inch lift over stock, and it feels way better. Risers seem to help, but it's a more involved process.
Most common motorcycle injuries are foot and ankle injuries. Dct lets a lot of riders keep riding without having to switch to a cvt scooter or trike, or an electric.
For daily commuting it also makes a lot of sense. Say you want to ride to work but like me you work long hours and are on your feet the entire time. Dct means you can ride it kind of like a scooter mainly using your hands. As you really don’t need the rear brake if you are taking it easy.
I have DCT in both a gold wing and AT. I love it. I also have many bikes without DCT. My preference is to use the sport 2 mode, manually down shift into corners to get the level of engine braking I want, and let the computer upshift. A very comfortable way to ride. When it is time to get sporty, or anything technical, just use manual mode.
100%, this is my next bike when I retire in 1 year. Rode one of these and once I got used to it, I was blown away by the technology. I’ll be selling my GS. The DCT is a game changer, as is the new Honda AT. Great bike all around.
When I rode a DCT Honda for a couple days, I stayed mostly in manual mode, and loved it. It's great eliminating several semi-complex physical actions needed every few seconds (depending on where and how you're riding, of course), and made riding considerably more fun. Now, I'm not saying I would want DCT on EVERY bike I own, not at all; but as a technology, I really like it, and I'm really looking forward to Handa's new 'E'-Clutch. Kudos to Honda for daring to try something new..! Also, it's worth remembering, when DCT transmissions first showed up in cars, everybody said 'oh, it's just something for really hi-performance sports cars, a really specialized set-up, certainly not beyond that, it's practically Formula 1 technology!' Now, of course, the vast majority of cars that are automatic use DCT's, and there's a LOT more automatics being sold than manuals. So I say, best not to be too quick to judge, one day not too long from now motorcycles might be using DCT's at the same proportion as cars right now..!
For my "fun" bike on the road, I'd opt for a traditional manual, but for commuting to work in stop and go traffic I would LOVE a DCT. That NC750X is amazing for that. I actually enjoyed the DCT in the twisties, I didn't have to worry about what gear, shifting in a turn, feathering the clutch... it was weird to get used to though, but ultimately this removes a big barrier of entry into motorcycling for some. And if it's not for you, that's fine, at least we got options! The only thing I hate about DCT is it causes all these gatekeeping types to come out and say it's not a real bike, or you're not a real motorcyclist if you don't learn how to shift, or shifting is the real experience, blah blah blah. I say we need the innovation to keep motorcycling relevant and attract new riders, or our kind will get fewer and fewer. More options is just better for everyone, so don't hate on anyone who likes something different. Props to Honda for continuing to provide innovation and options to us! Great video Spite.
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20 years ago, Ridley made an Automatic transmission motorcycle in Oklahoma. Called it the auto glide. Harley sued them out of business...
I think about automatic transmissions every time I drive the fiesta st to the office lol
Houston traffic is a nightmare
I already had a Quad Lock since your days at Yammie Noob. But if that wasn't the case, your add placement would've sold me. Bravo!
I'm glad someone got a kick out of that.
I currently ride a 2019 Goldwing Tour DCT and it has been awesome. I just turned 100,000 miles on it this week. Maybe the Goldwing is programmed differently but my Sport mode is aggressive and very responsive. It holds gears both up and down to give you max acceleration and good engine braking. Tour Mode of course relaxes that a bit. I think if you had time to tune the User Modes more on the press bike you were riding, you would be amazed at how competent the system is. I'm 66 years old and have been riding since I was 14 so of course all my previous bikes have been manual transmissions. My adaptation to the new DCT from my previous Goldwing (288,000+ miles) took about 2 weeks and then I never thought about it again.
I think its awesome this option exists. The E-Clutch sounds like the next step in quickshifter technology. I would definitely get it if presented with that option.
You can bolt on a shift lever and use it in manual or automatic to override the current gear. Some people are also putting a "hand operated" rear brake where the clutch lever usually sits
Completely different transmission type (CVT) on my 03 Silverwing (600 cc twin), but the only reason for this comment is that sometimes, a twist and go bike can make for a very nice ride (I have 2 Honda ST1100s which are regular manual bikes, so it’s nice to switch off between the 3 bikes). I call the Silverwing the 2 wheeled office chair. Very nice for a long cruise.
I have a 2023 Goldwing DCT and I absolutely love it. Best bike I have own, and I’ve owned a lot of bikes over the 25 yrs I’ve been riding.
Great review Spite! As someone with a partially paralyzed left leg the DCT on the Africa Twin was a God send and got me into riding. I know have to normal sport bikes that I've fitted with adaptive electronic foot shifters but if it wasn't for the DCT I never would have gotten started!
Mine is a 2022 with the 21" Front wheel but I think your review was spot on. Only niggle I have is that the electronic suspensions setup and adjustability for on/off road is incredible on the machine and such a big selling point I've seen a few reviewers skip on.
Overall the 2020-2023 AFAS are the best versions of this machine.
I didn't hear you mention the various modes of the DCT. There are sport modes (plural) for getting down in the twisties.
I've had my my DCT Goldwing for a year and the only thing I miss about a manual transmission is extending the fingers of my left hand and resting them on the clutch lever while stopped at a red light. I rode my bike on the Tail of the Dragon and had no issues with the DCT. My Dragon run was fine and I had no problems at all.
My wife has a Rebel 1100 DCT and loves it, I live in Victoria Texas so if you ever want to try it out let me know. The Rebel and Goldwing DCT make perfect sense as you said for just cruising around. Out of the box the Africa Twin DCT seems a bit.. misplaced maybe? Now I don't ride dirt yet, but it seems like the big possible advantage of an off-road capable DCT is that you could relatively easily move the rear brake control to the left handlebar, which would allow you to freely pivot with either foot whenever you wanted while keeping controls available, and THAT would seem to be a big advantage.
Africa Wing, Gold Twin, etc. I like ‘em all
Like you said. More choices more better. Motorcycl industry is dying allready without gatekeeping. If this would be the accessory that gets somebody into motorcycling so be it. More the merrier
S1 or S2 is the way to go. Let the bike do its thing. 20000kms on mine.
Well done. I'm no expert on the Africa Twin, but I'm pretty sure the engine braking can be adjusted in one of the many menus.
I've only used the DCT on a short test ride. I didn't think I'd like it but I was wrong. In the twisties I would just switch to manual mode and shift using the paddle shifters to keep it from changing gears mid corner.
I love my DCT Africa Twin. Took it all the way from Atlanta to Austin and never had any issues hitting levy roads along the way.
I own an NC 750 DCT for a couple of years. Nobody seems to know that there is an accessory to add a foot lever for shifting. For me that lever, even if its still electronic makes all the difference. In the city i go full DCT and when want a more sportier ride i go full manual shifting with my foot. Man i love that option. I think the AT also have the foot lever accessory and i don't understan why honda does not advertising it more. It was real diffucult for me to find a shop to buy it. And it is an original Honda part!. You can install it yourself in half an hour.
There is also the foot shifter option for the AT.
I’ve got an Africa Twin DTC (in Repsol colours 🧡) I’ve had it for almost ten months. Early spring I went for a random solo adventure around Europe wild camping sleeping by my Africa twin in the woods under a tarp. Found myself having to pick it up a few times in wet mud and gravel. But that’s what crash frames on these types of bikes are for. It’s a big adventure bike, and requires a big adventure. If everything goes to plan, it’s not an adventure!
That’s why I bought mine…. Plus I havnt got a left leg to change gears the traditional way 😂👍🏻
People I know who have this bike ride I automatic, I don’t. I like to control the revs with manual mode and know when I’m changing gears, especially when I’m off road going up and down hill on the thing. Even automatic sport mode…. I don’t bother.
I’m just wheely happy to finally be riding again! 😁
Great bike all round!
My only problem’ish with DCT is the extra weight. About 25kg I believe. But there’s a solution to that, hit the gym and it feels a lot lighter 😂
At the end of the day, whatever way shape or form, always keep riding! 😉👍🏻
This video is a good example of a relatively big influencer with absolutely no idea what he is talking about and how this can influence the audience with false information. Engine brake is what you can adjust, if you happen to know what you are doing and read the manual for example or just pay attention during the explanation.
Agreed - a lot of misinformation in this “review”
I've come from a 2022 and 2023 Goldwing DCT tours and while DCT is clever and takes the work outta the job it also takes some fun out of it too. I recently bought a 2024 Africa Twin Adventure sport with a manual gearbox and the fun is back in motorcycling. More to do, more to focus on but also more engagment and more fun. I ride bikes for fun. Not because I need to get somewhere or to work. If you want fun go with a manual if you want a utilitarian manchine go with the DCT. Hondas DCT is very good and reliable.
There's 4 different engine brake settings should probably try a more aggressive setting
I'm riding a Honda NT1100 DCT. With regards to downshifting when riding twisties. I find you have to help the engine by changing down with the paddle shifter. That then gives plenty of engine braking.
I’m not sure you’re in the right mode because if you were there’s absolutely no way a manual can even come close to keeping up with the DCT. Watch some drag race videos and you’ll see. The Goldwing DCT runs off and leaves the manual in a drag race with both in sport mode! It’s like you didn’t even research the bike before getting on it. Engine braking is adjustable.
To be fair, it's still a legit review, because not everybody wants to get nerdy about these things... or is capable of getting nerdy. So this is probably the experience these persons will have.
I met an older dude that was handicap after a stroke. This let him keep riding so it’s an awesome idea
I have a previous generation DCT on a Honda CTX - love it! My curiosity was piqued by the Rebel 1100 with DCT, but that bike was not a good fit for me ergonomically. The CTX, on the other hand, fits me like it was made for me... after a few mods (Corbin seat, installed floorboards). I've been riding for 57 years, owned a bunch of bikes over those years. I have no issue with a clutch, but I find the DCT to be interesting technology that rides pretty much the way I prefer (in Sport Mode), with the occasional use of the paddle shifters to put the bike in the gear I want at the time. Seems that some people use the DCT as an "automatic transmission" and are disappointed with the performance... DUH. Or, they say, "The bike doesn't downshift when I want before a curve"... again: DUH. You still have to think and anticipate. After several years with the CTX, I don't see another manual transmission bike in my future. Yes, it is *that* good. The more time you spend with the DCT, the more you appreciate how it works, especially when pushing the bike through the twisties. Thanks for the review on the Africa Twin.
Thanks for the Honda Goldwing review!
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It has been mentioned in the comments already, but ride modes are more important with a DCT than they are with a manual. A lot of his complaints are based off presets and likely incorrect settings for what he's asking. I have a Rebel 1100 DCT and its a completely different bike depending on the settings. I use custom mode 2/3/3/1 for daily commuting and it's an easy-going cruiser with plenty of power for highway passing but not so snappy that's hard to ride very slowly in parking lots or heavy traffic (also gets 50mpg at this setting). Now change that to "Sport Mode" or 3/1/2/3 and the bike turns into a snappy (somewhat heavy) naked bike that is constantly trying to stay in the high-rev range. The two settings are so different that the bike doesn't even sound like the same bike between them...
He spoke of it not engine braking when it wanted it to. This can be adjusted by changing the third setting or "EB" and the fourth setting or "D". Something like 3/1/3/3 would keep the RPM up and increase the engine braking to its most aggressive. There is no stock setting like this, you would need to use the custom setting.
I think if you had a DCT for a year of riding you would find more benefits and shifting style changes, it is a whole new style of riding so it's unfamiliar as a regular clutch is to a new rider. Over time you would maximize the benefits of it and might be surprised at how much better it actually might be.
I agree. The DCT is perfect.
I have the european cousin of the AT, the NT1100 in DCT. Originally ordered a manual but Honda isn't producing enough manuals and the wait list was going to be over a year. Ended up getting a DCT model instead. It took a while for the gearbox to learn especially considering we have a lot of twists and turns here and it was always in too high of a gear. Eventually it learnt to hold gears now. I Still need to give it the odd manual downshift to override it but I don't mind it. In all, I really like it and it makes touring much easier, letting you focus on the unknown roads ahead rather than whether you're in the right gear or not. No surprise hill is going to cause you to stall or tip over.
I had a Honda Talon UTV for a while, which utilizes the AT DTC trans / motor. HATED it. But, admittedly that might have been more related to the suspension being really stiff, and the traditional cable operated throttle. bouncing around on the trail caused the buggy to be real choppy, jerky, and gross. DCT searching for gears in automatic mode made it miserable. Can find used DCT ATs in my area EVERYWHERE. Was pretty telling IMO. Glad you did the ride Spite! I still think the base '16-19 AT w/ a built suspension would be a hard bike to beat--even today, but my Vstrom 800de is good'nuff! Go ride a Vstrom and tell me what you think Spite!
I have 70,000 km on my 2020 AT DCT. Always ride in Sport3. To engage Sport Mode just tap Transmission Switch once you are in D.
The DCT shifts on que in Sport mode. In Drive mode it is a dog and upshifts at too low rpm… feels like you are lugging.
You can easily program features like Engine Brake, Traction Control, Wheelie Control to suit your rider preferences..
Also you can override up shift AND downshifts by using the Paddle Shifters.
You suggested you prefer a Quick Shifter… well you can “Quickshift” anytime with the paddles… no need to “blip” the Throttle.
May I suggest read the Owners Manual before you offer a review
I like it so much that I am on my 3rd one.
Perfect bike. Mine (2018) really only lacks cruise control for my needs. I mostly commute and tour.
I've chased and kept up with many a sportsbike through the canyons in So Cal. Done multiple Iron Butts, and I daily my bike.
Did you fiddle with the fully adjustable electronic suspension at all? I'm pretty sure you can make it as hard or as soft as you'd want on the fly, and the DCT also has standard D + 3 sport levels of adjustment. I test rode one recently and its cool, but its not for me. Am eClutch would be much better on the AT
I’ve had an Africa Twin DCT since 2018 and while I sometimes would like to have a manual having the DCT has saved my bacon a few times.
i support anything to get more people on 2 wheels!
I have an ATAS 2018 DCT. Tend to run it in Sport 2 mode, Urban setting. Touring mode gives the most power. You can adjust the engine braking. I scrape pegs on mine from time to time, thats about 50 degree lean…Its also quite able offroad, it has an amazing ability to pick the right gesr, and you cant stall it…
0:07 I was only watching out of the corner of my eye. I swore it looked like he just picked that bike up with one arm.
I wish I was that strong.
I saw that, too... some of these RUclips folks like to squat down by the bike to use it as a background. Thanks for the laugh!
I have a 20 Africa Twin Adventure Sports manual transmission with a quick shifter and it is a ton of fun.
Another type of automatic clutch systems are the recluse ones that differ from a DCT and are more like an eclutch. Huskvarna offers these as an example.
Think of dct as an electrically shifted manual. There is an electric motor mounted to the left side of the engine. The same basic setup used on modern 4x4 transfer cases. I rarely use the manual mode, but can always downshift when I feel the need. No more throttle blipping and clutch feathering on takeoff from a traffic light. While others are engaging their clutches i am leaving the other side of the intersection. Best part is excellent fuel economy in the D setting.
Absolutely love my africa twin dct but i am thinking of selling it because of the wind noise. I always wear plugs and have a shoei rf1400 helmet. I ride with the winsdcreen off. That seems to be the quitest I have found. Please give suggestions on setups if you have them. Mind bendingly loud even with plugs which makes me think something else is going on.
I had a DCT Honda Rebel 1100 for a bit. I feel like it definitely shifted too much trying to be more economical in fuel economy, etc. Definitely a cruising vibe. And you are right about riding it in other situations.
Did you try the differnt modes?
I rode AT with DCT and did have the same problem with it. As I was going to a turn, it would regularly be in too high of a gear and low RPM. Now if this happened with a manual, I'd put a lower gear before the turn or ride the clutch a bit until I start accelerating from the turn. DCT does not do either, instead option to put lower gear when you're already leaning, upsetting the bike and also changing the power of the engine due to different RPMs. Even in S2 it was not exactly eager to downshift, especially to 1st.
Now maybe I shouldn't have taken it to a really technical road (
I love my wife's nc750x dct for commuting. Stop and go traffic, it's great. You can't stall it. Plus i love the parking brake for warming the engine parked on a slope
I have a Rebel 1100 DCT. One thing I don't like about it is how jerky the throttle can be at low speeds. It's either closed, or trying to haul ass. Is the Africa Twin kinda the same? Wondering if it's a DCT thing, or just their tuning of the engine.
Also, for the DCT being a thing in general, I think it's great for people who can't/don't want to have to manually shift. I've seen a few people get the Rebel 1100 because they have injuries or disabilities that would stop them from being able to easily ride a traditional bike. It's good to have as an option for people who want it.
The E-Clutch is definitely gonna be interesting. I wanna test ride a bike that has it.
I'm currently selling my bike so that I can get a manual bike and get that engagement from manually shifting again.
Hey Spite, just dropping a comment to tell you that you were the main reason I bought my 2023 Sportster S, 2022 1290 Superduke R EVO(I totalled her 😢) 2023 Z H2 SE, and soon to be 690 enduro R. Big fan brother, from a 5’4 asian guy
That's a heck of lineup! Enjoy the Enduro R. I love mine despite how silly it is.
Only reason someone would hate on the DCT is that they don't understand how it gives accessability to other riders, who in my case can't feel the shifter. I have a 23' Rebel 1100 DCT and love it. 😊
I have a Rebel 1100 DCT. My commute to work has a couple of slow speed tight turns (practically, U-turns). The DCT sometimes shifts mid turn and it's very unsettling. Honda should have a steering angle sensor on the frame's steering stem to prevent up-shifting after a certain angle (not lean angle) and less than a certain speed. i.e. >±30°@
I think DCT is a great thing! Also prefer to shift myself like I prefer a manual car over an automatic. But it's definitely an awesome thing to get people on two wheels who encounter trouble with shifting.
Just sold my bike with a quickshifter for one without. Don't miss it one little bit. DCT sounds interesting I wondered if the mode you were in had not much engine brake in it?
Hey Spite, thanks for the review! Being a fellow tall lad (I'm 6'4) how comfortable did you find the ride?
I want an NC750X DCT just to ride to work. I think it'd be great when I'm all tired and beat up from a long day to just cruise home without shifting. I've driven over 1.5 million miles in manual transmission tractor trailers and let me tell you I love the new automatic trucks. I'm completely over shifting ANY gears...
Put it in manual and shift with paddle just as u would with foot shifter... when in twisties.
I rented an Africa Twin DCT before i bought my manual ATAS. The biggest thing i did not like was the added weight and where it carried that weight. It felt a lot more top heavy than the regular Africa Twin and i did not like it.
Regardless of what mode your in you can paddle down or upshift on the fly.
There's definitely a place for the DCT's just not at my place...when i was looking for my 2023 rebel 1100 finding a manual took some time...but the DCT is awesome for those with physical limitations &/or for someone just wanting to get out & cruise especially if it involves traffic....but for me personally i prefer the manual transmission.
I love my AT ES dct. I have not had any trouble going between my Ducati Supersport and the AT. I'm generally in urban mode when I commute into downtown Austin. There are a lot of controls vs most other motorcycles and so there is a long time learning curve to know everything. Note: DCT is really nice when I have to deal with traffic. BTW you can full adjust engine breaking or any other setting for the engine and suspension while on the go.
Thanks for the video! This is great engineering that makes some happy and some traditionalists less welcoming. It seems the overall reception was positive, since other manufacturers are following Honda's path. I just all manufacturers will be able to make it smaller and lighter.
I like your take on this Spite. I also see why you have a Mazdaspeed3 instead of a GTI.
0:45 Personally, I'd describe a DCT as more like a manual transmission that's being operated by a computer. The computer operates the clutch, the shift switch on the handlebar sends a signal to that computer which them does the actual shifting...possibly even shifts according to its own internal algorithm if there's a fully "automatic" mode. But internally, it still has meshed gears sets and a clutch, not a torque converter and epicyclic gears like a traditional automatic trans.
Yeah that's not a bad way to describe it.
Makes sense given that (at least i think) the overleaf car term for gearboxes like dcts is automated manual
DCT… You have to love technology. This is one of the greatest technological advancement in this line of transportation. Whether is a motorcycle or an ATV or a SXS. I am a late boomer in the motorcycle field and I was looking for one to commute and I got lucky I found the NC750X. By far the best 2 wheel commuter in the whole planet! Thank you Honda!
I think they should have programmable modes where for example custom sport mode where you can choose at what rpms it shifts up, same for all other modes
That's the only way your bike would really feel like your bike imo.
an adjustable delay should be there too, less delay if you want 'less control', more delay before auto shift kicks in if you wanna maybe manually shift up
Would be stoked when the Honda e-clutch system got into your hand. I'd love to see you do a video of that :D. People who's already tried it said it's very similar to DCT with the upside of being hell lot cheaper
While I much prefer 6MTs, I can see DCTs are nice for very long rides. I'm glad you got ride in Norther California.
Ok Spite. I bought the DCT to get around my physical limitations/disability. (100+% service connected)
I have honda rebel 2022 dct, it's super awesome! like actually I've tested africa twin because at the time rebel wasn't available for few months to test (and I had to order one year in advance) and it's been best motocycle that I've ridden (the africa twin, rebel is pretty much as good for me)
Interesting, but not for me, then I don't like automatics in cars either. I'm 61, been riding since I was a kid. I like changing gears, blipping the throttle on an aggressive down change, I won't even have a quick shifter on my bike. I only have one modern bike, a 2022 Pan Am, the army green version, and my other bike is an 1988 Low Rider Sport, hotted up these days and with a sidecar most of the time, I still love to ride it because it is very raw, no ABS or TCS. I love the Pan Am, I use it as a sports tourer and commuter in the city, I have taken it off road, but it is a bit heavy for off road.
I’d love if more bikes had options like this. BMW is coming out with their version of an “automatic” bike. I think it’s cool to have the option. It’s currently not an option for majority of manufacturers
Yeah, that's one thing I'll give Honda. They're still adding cool tech to their bikes to give people options.
I love the DCT... have many many miles on my Rebel 1100 DCT, but I don't like automatic mode really... I only ride in manual mode.
Just give me a good old fashioned clutch. I don't need to be having any debates with the machine I just want it to obey me.
How do you setup your bell? I have that exact same helmet. Love it, but I imagine you had to tape the vents off to get clean audio?
what a great looking Africa Twin Gold Wing Edition, I really like it, I wonder if the local Gold Wing "Wing Ding" Group will let me attend the monthly meeting with my new Africa Twin Gold Wing Edition.
DCT’s in car speak is usually a love then or hate them experience. Unless they have been dialled in to also suit low speed conditions. In general, they provide the best experience when being pushed as the gear changes tend to be crisper than say a benchmarked automatic transmission like the ZF 8 speed used by several manufacturers around the globe. The DCT does make more sense on two wheels and Honda have finally got it just about perfect.
What would be better Honda’s DCT or e-clutch 650 I am 90% commuting ?
Probably DCT
I like using a clutch and changing gears with my foot- if I want a boring drive I’ll jump in my automatic ute- pickup if you prefer
DCT and manual require two different riding styles/inputs to make the bikes react the same way. One can not learn to make a DCT react like a manual in an hour or a day while on a test ride for the first time. I have no trouble with trail or engine braking twistys on my 2018 AT AS DCT. Embrace the difference, it's what makes having a manual and a DCT transmission in the garage a blast.