From the vibration I'm seeing I think I'd look at one increment better for road use. Whatever the method of increments used for the intent of your riding(80% - 20%) w/ 80% being road use, I'd go up to 90% Roads instead. If you're running a 50%/50% tire I'd bump it to a 60%/40% & you can leave an aggressive rear knobby while making the front a lot less Dirt oriented. They would not be a matched set but you can do this w/ bikes & by doing the front it'll change all that bouncy vibration we're seeing. And I don't even have a bike but I've seen this done before & it's not weird or a danger. Good luck, peace
Guy, your information videos are fantastic! Each discussion or adventure is jamb-packed with pearls of experience and/or wisdom. I just purchased a new ES DCT, and your discussions really helped me m and the decision!! Thank you, thank you!! Ride safe!!
I put Motoz Tractionator GPS 50/50s on my 2022 Adv Sprt ES DCT and I love them. The other day, I was traveling into the sun, in a unfamiliar area and I was in the wrong lane. By the time I realized it, there was a curbed median separating me from where I needed to be. My 21" front tire gave me the confidence to jump the median. I don't think I would have done that with a 19" front.
My 2021 AT AS was delivered with Metzeler Karoo Street. 21 inch front wheel is fine for me. I drive on asphalt only, commuting and touring. The tires did a great job. After 14k kilometers I changed them for a new fresh pair.
I have the same, currently at 16.000 km, but they are easily good for another 3-4.000. The front barely shows any signs of use, the rear is a bit squared off, but plenty thread left.
My 2024 ATAS is definitely more twitchy off asphalt on the same Bridgestones as my 2017 AT. The 90/10 street BattleAxes, or whatever they are. They actually do a lot better than I ever expected on gravel, small ruts, and dirt. Provided it's dry and not too steep.
You need to slide the back wheel off road , basically turn all your traction control off , power slide it the front wheel won’t wash out if you have the power down on the rear whilst cornering on dirt.
Motoz Tractionator Adventure rear, Dual Venture front. Magic on my Tenere. MABDR, NEBDR, lots of technical, lots of road, and 6000 miles later I still could get another 1000. Feels great on the twisties, great in all offroad situations (I haven't ridden much sand). The best thing I can say about them is that I have never had to think about what the tires are doing when I've ridden them.
I use the Rallz on the rear and Dual Venture on my 890 ADV R. Bike gets buzzy and a little wobbly around 80mph on the road but for technical single track and sand they are a game changer
"Let's be honest... we're doing stuff like this and goin to Starbucks!" 😅 Subscribed. I learned as a kid on dirt and trails, and miss it. All things being equal, I'm getting my AT in about a year. I've watched off-road RUclipsrs swear by Shinkos, or this tire or that one. So I've been at a loss as to what I'd replace the stocks with. I'm extremely curious to see how your ordered tires compare to these, off-road.
I run the Michelin Anakee 3's on my 23 KTM 1290 Super Adventure S and they are AWESOME. Only time they ever feel sketchy is Mud... which like you said if riders are honest with themselves they shouldn't be riding a 1290 in mud. What I love about them is that they feel close to sport tires on the road, and for the BDR's I ride (MABDR, NEBDR, and PA-WILD X) they have worked great on the gravel and occasional dirt.
Am the owner of a Honda VFR1200X Crosstourer DCT. (19 inch front & 17 inch rear) I use: Michelin Anakee Adventure Or Continental TKC70 Works perfectly. Keep Riding 🦾
My 24' AT standard came with Anakees out the gate. I dont hate them but they are a little too much of a road tire for riding where I do (MT, ID, WY, WA, OR, UT). The Dunlop Missions or Tusk 2tracks are what I'm looking at for my next pair of sneakers. Just to give me a little more aggressive profile but still be worthy of slab travel. Solid video, ride skillfully 💪🏻
SMDSR- It seems not all GREAT tires, work the same on all bikes. Lots of characteristics effect the final perception. I feel like to continental tkc 80 is not so great on a light dual sport. But it sees to do very well on a heavier ADV, I guess the increased weights makes those big blocks bite in deeper? IDK, but perception is not all tires work as well on all bikes. MAYBE the battle axe is great on the tiger but not as great on A twin because of some other, unexpected design characteristic like rake and trail? Just a thought.
I thought that the stock tires work pretty well on light offroad stuff apperently. I am quoting Big Rock Moto and he was doing 70 mile an hour on sandy socal tracks. I live in Connecticut and there are not too many offroad areas here. Still good to know for future reference. I've been trying to find a manual one of these and I've just secured a crated one for pickup next week. Getting a center stand put on it too. Naughty Honda for not getting in on there stock.
I ride a 2017 R1200 GSA. The previous owner has Michelin Anakee Adventures on it. They are a very good road tire which is most of my riding, but so-so on dirt. My next tires will be Dunlop Trailmax Missions. Most of my off road is to visit friends who live on farms or developments about 5 miles off pavement. I also am not a real aggressive rider and did not buy the bike to run in crazy conditions. I also do not want to be changing tires every few months for 10 to 20 percent off road. I just want a competent tire for both situations.
I’m on my 3rd set of Dunlop Trailmax Mission tires. They are really good and get great longevity out of them. 13k rear tire, over 22k front tire on mixed pavement and fire roads/BDRs on R1200GS.
@@adventureundone yep. Those tire carcasses are stiff and heavy! FYI, I don’t air down at all off pavement to preserve longevity and protect wheels. Just went to a tractive adv/rally front shock and that improves the off pavement ride and stability considerably.
I have motoz rallz rear and motoz DV front on my t7 they work great on asphalt to , wet , cold But a little noicey! + 10000 km if you twist the front. But gravel roads and starbucks i think tractionator GPS would be great, maybe Dv front ! I go to starbucks to 😂 and 50/50 riding ! Dct on your AT ? 🇸🇪
I am running Anakee Wild on my 21ATAS. I like them, wish they were better on asphalt and lasted longer. I just put the Trailmax Missions on my DR650, switching from the Shinko 244. So far, I really like the Missions. They are relatively phenomenal on the road and maybe as good on gravel/ dirt road (dry) as the 244's were. I will likely put Missions or Raids on the Honda.
Ended up coming off the Missions to the Raids and so far loving them, seem to be more grippy on the street and much better in the looser stuff offroad. That being said I just had the mission rear and a Shinko up front and I just didn't have nearly enough confidence in the Shinko off road. Granted im on a 21' Front so that could make the difference as well. How are you liking the Missions?
I have shinko tyres on another bike, I dropped the pressures stupid low like 24 psi on the 21" front from the recommended 34 and man, do they stick like $%=÷ to a blanket now. They look weird but only gain 3 psi between cold and hot so I'm leaving them there. At 30 psi the front feels vague and trys to fall into the corner
Hi from Montreal, i friendly suggest you to try the Dunlop Trailmax Raid for your Africa Twin AS ES 2024. Me & my friend have same bike as yours. The Dunlop Trailmax Raid are very good off road and they are excellent on twisted, asphalted roads 👌🏼. They allow to ride sportively on asphalt. Best regards from 2 owners of the same great Africa Twin Adventure Sports ES manual 2024.
@@adventureundone It’s sure that nothing can beat the extreme longevity of the rear tire Trailmax Mission. It’s still hard to know clearly the longevity of the Trailmax Raid. Some are saying that their rear tire last only 5000 km and some did over 10000km with it. A few even told that their rear last even more! It’s weird! Let’s ride, wait & see by ourself! If the rear dosent last at least 8000 km for us. It will be a quest to find something else for our AF AS ES 2024. The Trailmax Mission have hard rubber… I prefer softer tires, but not as soft as the Battlax AX41. It’s clear, it’s well known, the rear AX41 dosent last long! I am sure that the Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR could be a very option, but i prefer more agressive tires. The Continental TKC 70 Rocks (60/40 only for rear) could be another great option… I do not understand why Continental dosent also offer a TKC 70 Rocks front tire. Yeah, i know, for front there is the TKC 70 (70/30), but i prefer to have something more aggressive in front; at least another 60/40. Cheers!
@@trekkydelirium-vroom5821 yeah, I have them on my radar for next tire for sure. One more question if you dont mind. Do you feel that knobby wobbly bounce with the raids?
@@adventureundone will look for video! Looking forward to more tire testing, I'm also an owner of 2024 ATAS and looking for a little more offroad tire, but not too much that it sacrifices the on road aspect, which is why I went 19" front
I agree. If I had any of these heavy ADVs, my plan would be road only with a lot of capable advantages if I ran into unplanned gravel or road construction ect. If I "plan" to leave the road. It wouldn't be on this.
'professional riders were used for this advert' . Ever read that? That's the thing, Would u jump out of a plane to realise what you need to parachute jump? No. You'd go for a course first. People are experimenting with stuff they have no idea how, where or why to use. Learn learn learn, then act. Then you'll realise , 'what was I thinking doing with my experience with those tires. Regardless of the terrain.
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What tires are you all running on your 24' Africa Twin?
From the vibration I'm seeing I think I'd look at one increment better for road use. Whatever the method of increments
used for the intent of your riding(80% - 20%) w/ 80% being road use, I'd go up to 90% Roads instead. If you're running
a 50%/50% tire I'd bump it to a 60%/40% & you can leave an aggressive rear knobby while making the front a lot less
Dirt oriented. They would not be a matched set but you can do this w/ bikes & by doing the front it'll change all that
bouncy vibration we're seeing. And I don't even have a bike but I've seen this done before & it's not weird or a danger.
Good luck, peace
Guy just saved me another $400. I really appreciate seeing your journey and learning from it before I go down the same path.
Guy, your information videos are fantastic! Each discussion or adventure is jamb-packed with pearls of experience and/or wisdom. I just purchased a new ES DCT, and your discussions really helped me m and the decision!! Thank you, thank you!! Ride safe!!
I put Motoz Tractionator GPS 50/50s on my 2022 Adv Sprt ES DCT and I love them. The other day, I was traveling into the sun, in a unfamiliar area and I was in the wrong lane. By the time I realized it, there was a curbed median separating me from where I needed to be. My 21" front tire gave me the confidence to jump the median. I don't think I would have done that with a 19" front.
My 2021 AT AS was delivered with Metzeler Karoo Street. 21 inch front wheel is fine for me. I drive on asphalt only, commuting and touring. The tires did a great job. After 14k kilometers I changed them for a new fresh pair.
Do you ride agressive? curious if they last that long for me
@@Howdowork I’m not a very aggressive rider. Sometimes, in good conditions, I ride in a sporty style with good acceleration and stronger braking.
I have the same, currently at 16.000 km, but they are easily good for another 3-4.000. The front barely shows any signs of use, the rear is a bit squared off, but plenty thread left.
@@KikoBW7mine currently at 18000 😊😂
@@MagicAyrtonforever yeah I would probably change them at around 20k, still very good in the current condition 😁
My 2024 ATAS is definitely more twitchy off asphalt on the same Bridgestones as my 2017 AT. The 90/10 street BattleAxes, or whatever they are. They actually do a lot better than I ever expected on gravel, small ruts, and dirt. Provided it's dry and not too steep.
I have the trailmax mission on my f800gs and love them, I think it will be your perfect fit
You need to slide the back wheel off road , basically turn all your traction control off , power slide it the front wheel won’t wash out if you have the power down on the rear whilst cornering on dirt.
Motoz Tractionator Adventure rear, Dual Venture front. Magic on my Tenere. MABDR, NEBDR, lots of technical, lots of road, and 6000 miles later I still could get another 1000. Feels great on the twisties, great in all offroad situations (I haven't ridden much sand).
The best thing I can say about them is that I have never had to think about what the tires are doing when I've ridden them.
I use the Rallz on the rear and Dual Venture on my 890 ADV R. Bike gets buzzy and a little wobbly around 80mph on the road but for technical single track and sand they are a game changer
"Let's be honest... we're doing stuff like this and goin to Starbucks!" 😅 Subscribed.
I learned as a kid on dirt and trails, and miss it. All things being equal, I'm getting my AT in about a year.
I've watched off-road RUclipsrs swear by Shinkos, or this tire or that one. So I've been at a loss as to what I'd replace the stocks with.
I'm extremely curious to see how your ordered tires compare to these, off-road.
I run the Michelin Anakee 3's on my 23 KTM 1290 Super Adventure S and they are AWESOME. Only time they ever feel sketchy is Mud... which like you said if riders are honest with themselves they shouldn't be riding a 1290 in mud.
What I love about them is that they feel close to sport tires on the road, and for the BDR's I ride (MABDR, NEBDR, and PA-WILD X) they have worked great on the gravel and occasional dirt.
Am the owner of a Honda VFR1200X Crosstourer DCT.
(19 inch front & 17 inch rear)
I use:
Michelin Anakee Adventure
Or
Continental TKC70
Works perfectly.
Keep Riding 🦾
If Honda would've brought that bike to the US...I would've bought it
hey mate, your voice is super clean while driving..What kind of equipment do you use?
My 24' AT standard came with Anakees out the gate. I dont hate them but they are a little too much of a road tire for riding where I do (MT, ID, WY, WA, OR, UT). The Dunlop Missions or Tusk 2tracks are what I'm looking at for my next pair of sneakers. Just to give me a little more aggressive profile but still be worthy of slab travel. Solid video, ride skillfully 💪🏻
SMDSR- It seems not all GREAT tires, work the same on all bikes. Lots of characteristics effect the final perception. I feel like to continental tkc 80 is not so great on a light dual sport. But it sees to do very well on a heavier ADV, I guess the increased weights makes those big blocks bite in deeper? IDK, but perception is not all tires work as well on all bikes. MAYBE the battle axe is great on the tiger but not as great on A twin because of some other, unexpected design characteristic like rake and trail? Just a thought.
I thought that the stock tires work pretty well on light offroad stuff apperently. I am quoting Big Rock Moto and he was doing 70 mile an hour on sandy socal tracks. I live in Connecticut and there are not too many offroad areas here. Still good to know for future reference. I've been trying to find a manual one of these and I've just secured a crated one for pickup next week. Getting a center stand put on it too. Naughty Honda for not getting in on there stock.
I ride a 2017 R1200 GSA. The previous owner has Michelin Anakee Adventures on it. They are a very good road tire which is most of my riding, but so-so on dirt. My next tires will be Dunlop Trailmax Missions. Most of my off road is to visit friends who live on farms or developments about 5 miles off pavement. I also am not a real aggressive rider and did not buy the bike to run in crazy conditions. I also do not want to be changing tires every few months for 10 to 20 percent off road. I just want a competent tire for both situations.
100% agree
I’m on my 3rd set of Dunlop Trailmax Mission tires. They are really good and get great longevity out of them. 13k rear tire, over 22k front tire on mixed pavement and fire roads/BDRs on R1200GS.
I really like them so far, but they are a very firm rubber, and I feel it occasionally
@@adventureundone yep. Those tire carcasses are stiff and heavy! FYI, I don’t air down at all off pavement to preserve longevity and protect wheels. Just went to a tractive adv/rally front shock and that improves the off pavement ride and stability considerably.
I have motoz rallz rear and motoz DV front on my t7 they work great on asphalt to , wet , cold But a little noicey! + 10000 km if you twist the front.
But gravel roads and starbucks i think tractionator GPS would be great, maybe Dv front !
I go to starbucks to 😂 and 50/50 riding !
Dct on your AT ? 🇸🇪
I am running Anakee Wild on my 21ATAS. I like them, wish they were better on asphalt and lasted longer. I just put the Trailmax Missions on my DR650, switching from the Shinko 244. So far, I really like the Missions. They are relatively phenomenal on the road and maybe as good on gravel/ dirt road (dry) as the 244's were.
I will likely put Missions or Raids on the Honda.
My '22 ATAS is running the Motoz GPS. Long lasting and a little softer than the Missions.
Ended up coming off the Missions to the Raids and so far loving them, seem to be more grippy on the street and much better in the looser stuff offroad. That being said I just had the mission rear and a Shinko up front and I just didn't have nearly enough confidence in the Shinko off road. Granted im on a 21' Front so that could make the difference as well. How are you liking the Missions?
I have shinko tyres on another bike, I dropped the pressures stupid low like 24 psi on the 21" front from the recommended 34 and man, do they stick like $%=÷ to a blanket now. They look weird but only gain 3 psi between cold and hot so I'm leaving them there. At 30 psi the front feels vague and trys to fall into the corner
Trail max probably would....
Where's the certainty in that.
Pitch, depth space material used for the tires all have different purposes.
Loved my trail max mission.
Burned though it pretty quick though. Maybe 2k miles. Good for gravel roads.
dang only 2k on the missions? I usually head 7k+ miles
Those Tires get better after about 200 miles..Overly sharp turn in dissappears, front end vibration lessens, but remains.
Good tire, not perfect.
Yeah I used them on many bikes, but all with 21”
Dunlop trail max mission for me, same type of riding.
Where did you get a manual transmission, can’t find one
Hey,where is the transalp?you were so excited with that bike.
Oh I sold that awhile ago.
@@adventureundone why?where it let you down?
Hi from Montreal, i friendly suggest you to try the Dunlop Trailmax Raid for your Africa Twin AS ES 2024. Me & my friend have same bike as yours. The Dunlop Trailmax Raid are very good off road and they are excellent on twisted, asphalted roads 👌🏼. They allow to ride sportively on asphalt. Best regards from 2 owners of the same great Africa Twin Adventure Sports ES manual 2024.
I was actually looking at them, but many said lifespan isn’t that good. What’s your take on that?
@@adventureundone It’s sure that nothing can beat the extreme longevity of the rear tire Trailmax Mission. It’s still hard to know clearly the longevity of the Trailmax Raid. Some are saying that their rear tire last only 5000 km and some did over 10000km with it. A few even told that their rear last even more! It’s weird! Let’s ride, wait & see by ourself! If the rear dosent last at least 8000 km for us. It will be a quest to find something else for our AF AS ES 2024. The Trailmax Mission have hard rubber… I prefer softer tires, but not as soft as the Battlax AX41. It’s clear, it’s well known, the rear AX41 dosent last long! I am sure that the Pirelli Scorpion Rally STR could be a very option, but i prefer more agressive tires. The Continental TKC 70 Rocks (60/40 only for rear) could be another great option… I do not understand why Continental dosent also offer a TKC 70 Rocks front tire. Yeah, i know, for front there is the TKC 70 (70/30), but i prefer to have something more aggressive in front; at least another 60/40. Cheers!
@@trekkydelirium-vroom5821 yeah, I have them on my radar for next tire for sure.
One more question if you dont mind.
Do you feel that knobby wobbly bounce with the raids?
@@adventureundone You mean … on asphalt? The knobby on the Trailmax Raid are large, wide and low profile, so no “wobbly bounce” on paved roads…
Anakee advs are gonna be also ideaL for you
Yeah that looks like a nice tire. They came stock on my friends 24’ base AT
whats that device @ 2:15 ?
what type of tank bag is that? Magnetic or not? You like it?
It is SW Motech. He has at least one video on it. Great Product im my opinion
SW Motech, I made a vid about it
@@adventureundone will look for video! Looking forward to more tire testing, I'm also an owner of 2024 ATAS and looking for a little more offroad tire, but not too much that it sacrifices the on road aspect, which is why I went 19" front
It's a touring bike for my purposes. I don't really plan on leaving the road until I move somewhere else besides the city.
I agree. If I had any of these heavy ADVs, my plan would be road only with a lot of capable advantages if I ran into unplanned gravel or road construction ect. If I "plan" to leave the road. It wouldn't be on this.
The driver is the Limit, not the bike
@@Air3beam 💯
I hated the Missions. Way too hard, off-road performance was poor. I'm running the Raids and they are what I want on the road and decent off-road.
Yeah I also dont like how hard they are.
'professional riders were used for this advert' .
Ever read that?
That's the thing,
Would u jump out of a plane to realise what you need to parachute jump? No. You'd go for a course first.
People are experimenting with stuff they have no idea how, where or why to use.
Learn learn learn, then act. Then you'll realise , 'what was I thinking doing with my experience with those tires. Regardless of the terrain.
So pedantic. You know the point he's making.