A real road bike? 2024 Honda Africa Twin Adventure Sports review
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- Опубликовано: 18 май 2024
- Honda's given the Africa Twin a 19" front wheel, lower suspension and a new name - the Adventure Sports. This version's designed to be an on-road tourer with a 300-mile tank range, loads of torque and - in this particular case - a dual-clutch automatic gearbox. Join me for a full review on living with the bike, I'll share its wins and foibles, frustrations and erm, bum chat.
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At 72 I’ve ridden for more than 50 years, down to three bikes and one is an Africa Twin DCT. I’ve grown from hating the DCT to lovin’ it and, while it’s a tad hefty, off and on tarmac it meets my needs. I want to buy the new Adventure Sports with the 19” front and lower height but I don’t want the youngster graphics and I do want adaptive cruse control and blind spot notification. Hey, I’m 72! So, I’ll wait until the ‘25 model but, at my age, my road’s running out of time!
Isn’t it available in black with low-key graphics?
There is always something better coming down the pipe. If you wait for the 2025 model there will be rumours of fabulous new features coming in 2026. Live your best life while you can. Carry on riding and stay safe.
Still riding at 72, absolute Legend.
@@PDCRed In Canada, the Adventure Sport DCT only comes in white with busy graphics; nice, just not for me . . .
It has been mentioned how expensive this bike is compared to its competitors. I did a comparison between the AT DCT with added engine/top bars, fog lights, centre stand, etc. to the 1300 GS and the existing 1250 GSA with similar equipment; both the Beemers came in at £3k more than the AT. Like a lot of cars today, the pricing of most bikes is advertised with basic equipment and you have to look deeper to fully understand how much the product really is to suit your needs. Thanks for the video.
I just got my 24 ATAS manual. Yes, 100hp is perfectly quick enough for the street here in Canada... Despite being a big girl, she is lighter and easier to push around than my CBF1000fa sport tourer...and easier to get on the centre stand. I am not sure why everyone is complaining about the weight... if you want a dual sport, buy a WR250. If you want to light up the tires and go autobahn speeds, get yourself a 'Busa. If you want a beautiful bike that is comfy, torquey, beautifully built and gorgeous... then give it a second look.
Good review. I bought a gently used '22 V-STROM 1050XT for $10K. 19", V-Twin, 106HP, panniers, top box, tank bag, etc. The engine is little bland, but the bike is low cost and crazy reliable. The accessory bar above the display is a game changer. Wonderful touring bike. I learned 100HP is not enough for short ride thrills, but it is plenty for touring. Short rides should be about the bike. Long rides should be about the ride.
Good video, but it should be mentioned that the engine is way more reliable than those 140 HP+ bikes and doesnt require high octane fuel. The performance is amazing... and for me personally, I like knowing it wont leave me stranded somewhere on a backroad during a 5000 mile trip!
i think the complicated switchgear is not really as big a problem as people think ..tbh we set the bike up initially to how we want it then never really visit the menu system again ..but yeah its bloody expensive when compared to the rest of the bikes in this class and tbh the midweights are comparable to it now ..and they should have updated the tft
This is the reason i went with the KTM1290 SAS in 2022.
The ATAS was the same price as the 1290 with the tech pack and dynamically the 1290 is in a completely different league.
Yeah, I agree I tend to leave bikes once I've set them up - or at least have a 'soft' and 'hard' mode customised.
Here in Canada, it is a relative bargain. The Ducatis, BMWs, Triumphs etc are all quite a bit more expensive. The other Japanese alternatives (ST1200, Versys 1000, VStrom 1050 etc) are all very comparable, but not nearly as good looking and not as advanced.
I absolutely love my 2021 atas! Great on road and very capable off road.
I think the AT, as nice as it is, is being left behind now.
£17k+ for 102bhp is up against the big boys and it's not really enough (perception is the key in bikes)
Apple CarPlay is not the USP it was in 2016 when I can buy a £200 wireless CarPlay (and Android auto) unit from Carpuride for my GS either
C'mon Honda - you've recognised that a change to a Tall-rounder is needed, now recognise that the bike needs a big ol' ergo update yeah (the switches and instruments,,,just to be clear)?
I'm moving to Thailand in a couple of months and had my heart set on buying a 2024 AT AS. However, after contacting Honda Thailand and 3 or 4 dealers, nobody has been able to confirm when, or even if, this bike will be available. Consequently, I've opted for the Tiger 900 Rally Pro, which is available. Doesn't have DCT, but does have a great quick shifter. Also comes standard with heated seats .... a feature which is essential for riding around SE Asia where the temps have recently topped 40 degrees C 🥵😂
I have the vfr 1200x crosstourer dct and it’s superb. Had the crosstourer manual and changed to Dct . It’s a keeper. Not overloaded with electronics and enough for safety ie ABS/TC .
Excellent, many thanks
I had a 2021 ATAS ES and it was a good bike but a bit top heavy. Now got a cb1000r naked and dont think i would want to drop down in power now. The controls are pretty easy once you get used to them. Im considering getting another adventure bike but sadly the ATAS probably wont be in the mix although i would like to try that 19" front tyre. This is a good review despite what some other owners say.
Do you get handle wobble on the 2024 AT [with or without topbox] ? lots of previous model AT riders are complaining about it.
I have a 2022 model that I have had since new and it takes a few weeks to figure out the screen. I am pretty quick with it now, but it was annoying initially.
Honda gone a different way than big GS, Tiger 1200.
They kept the relative low compression at 10.6:1, added more toque instead of chasing HP. Engine can run on low octane fuel and last many km's.
Michael Neeves MCN said in his test that he never felt it lacking power, 100hp is enough on public roads. Off course you don't get the rush you can get from +140hp but it's fun in its own way.
My old AT dct 2017 will maybe be replaced by one of the new AT 24
Thanks for the vid. I have a KTM 1290 SAS, so as much as I love Hondas, it might feel like I am going backwards?
Hey! As an ex 1290SAS owner, you'd definitely miss the power/torque and general angriness...
I rode both the 2022 ATAS and the 1290SAS and went for the SAS at the time since it was dynamically superior for literally the same price(including the tech pack)
I am 6ft3 as you are. Do you have recommendations for bikes that offer good wind comfort for us taller people. How about the nt 1100?
I've had mine since 2020. Much as I get the urge from time to time to trade it in for something else, I just can't find anything better.
Love when the "pro's" say 100cv are not enough. Right! Not enough for what? Track day? And the reasoning between "horsepower vs price"?!? That's hilarious. Go ride more and stop comparing "sizes". You will soon realize that life is much more fun that way.
Someone needs to go ride a GS or KTM 1290SAS and feel how easy it is to overtake a couple of cars at once vs the AT!
@@timrodierides Yes, I know what you mean. I have a 2024 ATAS but I've had the pleasure of ride much more powerful motorcycles (a GSA was one of them). And yes, everything is faster if we have 200 hp. But realistically, how often is this level of power really necessary? If the answer is "very often", then I can only assume that the type of driving someone is doing is not at all suitable for a public road. All the best.
You all forget that automatic gear shift costs! You all mention only - 17 K for 102 PS...
How much will BMW ask for their automatic?
We dont need 150 PS...Each bike has their public...if you into speed go KTM, if you want good reliable go Africa twin...easy )))
To be fair my KTM 1290SAS was pretty reliable! I do mention that the DCT adds £1300 to the bike
Am having the 2023 Adventure sport Manual with Quick shifter with a 21 front but really miss DCT as my previous 2 ATs were DCTs. am contemplating on selling it for a 2024 DCT but debating between a standard vs Adventure sport. Obviously wont be doing extreme off roads like Kirian Mirabet but the shorter front suspension of the AS keeps me off.
I have one. Almost perfect review. Love the bike regardless. For me, it's like a 70 series land cruizer. Perfectly flawed.
Is the wind protection improved over the 2023 bikes?
The last time I rode one was 2021 sadly so I can’t really remember. But it wasn’t ideal on this 2024 bike! But I’m 6’3” and always find adventure bike screens a pain
If you want excitement buy a CBR 1000 RR-R. Honda always know what she's doing.
Personally I just don’t need 140+ hp on an adv bike for where I live. If I want to tour then I want to see stuff and not speed past them. Plus, aren’t a lot of the UK roads speed controlled with cameras anyways?
I do think it should be less money, though.
Thing is, once you've ridden a bike with more power (even a GS) it's quite hard going back to an AT. I get why the off-road version doesn't need more than 100hp, but I think most road riders spending this amount would expect more.
@@timrodierides that’s a great point. I’ve seen riders go from a GSA to a T7 or 701 but those are half the price or less.
Waaaaaay to EXPENSIVE !!!!
Everything is way too expensive at the moment to be fair!
Too many "a"s and not enough "o"s 😂
Love it. But too heavy and an old fashioned type of frame. Maybe a little underpowered for the weight. DCT is a great innovation, and has a lot more potential.
Very true! Even premium products are Chinese, like Volvo.
another expression you can use re acceleration is "it pulls like a teenage schoolboy"
didn't't know whether mentioning this would be ok but after you said "it won't roll your foreskin back" I figured it would be alright 😁
Hahaha, you might have guessed I have no filter and don't mind!
At that price why not just get to a full size adv (1300/1250 GS, Tiger 1200 etc). Same weight but more power.
Exactly, especially if you're riding on the road.
Choose between the Honda AT ES for £17,600, the BMW R1300 TE for £19,000, or the Tiger 1200 GT Pro for £17,300. Personally, the Honda would be my last choice among these options.
Pricing in Canada is much different. The BMW and Triumph are MUCH more expensive.
Looks like Yamaha got it right 24 years ago with the Tenere 1200 ? Get the Yamaha if you don't need the extra electronics for a lot less $
Brother, you're using the lowest amount of power, the icon should be filled with blue bars 4/4 not 1/4.
Someone didn’t watch the whole thing where I point that out!
@@timrodierides not yet, I’m halfway thru it at the moment 🤣
@@timrodierides oh well, I did not know that it's the other way around, today I learnt I guess, thanks.
Hilarious!
Please tell me how much does the competition with 40 Hp more, cost, compared to the Honda when equipped equally? I'll wait...
Also on another note... I've watched maybe a couple of dozen reviews of the Honda from people all around the world, and you're the only one that has a problem with the bike's interface, so I'm thinking it's not the bike, it's you.
There’s is not one German or French speaking review which doesn’t point out the poor user interface. So you are probably watching the wrong channels or not telling the truth ! A couple of dozen….yeah. Looks like you’re the typical AT driver. One of those who think they’re above everyone and therefore don’t salute fellow bikers.
Erm, the point is the KTM and GS aren't far off in terms of price. Sure, they don't have CarPlay but… I'd rather have more power and torque than that. And really, no one else has mentioned the UI problems?! I think someone's been selective with their review watching!
@@os6219 I don't own a Honda, but I have used the interface and it's very good. Now, if you and the dude in the review are not really tech savvy, and can't find your way around the system, well that's your problem. You're probably using a smartphone, a tablet or a laptop...so this should be intuitive and easy for you. If you don't use modern tech in everyday life well, sorry to say, time has passed you by.
@@timrodierides like I said, equally equipped like the Honda, with the alu panniers and all else... I beleive you'll find they are pretty far off with price. Do you want me to post actual links from website configurators?! Or you gonna check for yourself...
And no, nobody has complained about the interface except you. Like I told the guy bellow, if you're not tech savvy, don't blame the machine, admit that it's you that has a problem, it's dignified and there is no shame in it. But if you want to use a modern day machine, any machine, you're going to have to adapt.
@@dimekoza to be fair, my KTM 1290SAS with a top box was £4k less than an AT without luggage. And panniers would’ve added maybe £800? Also I’ve definitely not ridden many modern motorbikes. What do you ride?
Sales numbers are saying the opposite. It's the best selling adv tourer in Europe after gs. Too much talk about power.
I find that manufacturers are catering more now for short arses which is a problem when you're not
Same prcie as a bmw or ktm? A fully equipped honda might be similar to a base bmw or ktm you mean? 😂
A KTM 1290 SAS has been about £13-4k in the UK for a few years! I know because I bought one
Don't listen to this guy, the TFT and controls are easy to learn if you have a brain. and the system is clear and concise. Its also a complete rebuild from the ground up and is completely different from the standard model. i think you should stick to BMW its simpler and may suit you better
Yeah nah don't listen to me. I clearly have no idea what I'm talking about.
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Lots of angry honda owners in the comments today. 'you dont need more than 100hp' sounds a lot like 'you dont need more than 4 inches'. 100hp at 250kg will not make you giggle if you have ridden anything fast.
This is the thing really. Looking at the road-going adventure bikes at the same price point, you're going to notice the AT's power deficit after riding pretty much any of the competition. Sure it may not matter, but once you've had 140hp+, it's tricky to go back.
Low center of gravity...plenty of power and torque...all day comfort... Shaft dr..... Ooops wrong review video 😂😂😂
Foc me. Just looking at those buttons gave me a headache.
Honda…..it’s the Japanese word for “Without Soul”. 😉
I dunno… the Fireblade and my old Blackbird had something special!
Total reliability not like BM trouble you lol 😅.
Rich?
Is it for middle class middle aged men that passed their test ten years ago? They also might be gay?
What’s wrong with any of that?
@@timrodieridesjudging by their previous comments around same sex relationships, me thinks they may themselves be hiding so far back in the wardrobe they’re actually in Narnia. A case of unrequited love, perhaps. 🤔🤷♂️