2018 Big-Bore Adventure Touring Shootout - Part 1: The Street
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- So, who are the contenders? In (mostly) alphabetical order, we’ve got the BMW R1200GS Adventure, Honda Africa Twin Adventure Sports, KTM 1290 Super Adventure R, Suzuki V-Strom 1000 XT, Triumph Tiger 1200 XCa, and Yamaha Super Tenere ES. All of them are designed to explore both the beaten and unbeaten paths no matter where you are in the world. They’ve got big engines, bigger gas tanks, tall seats, loads of technology, and in this case, a lot of MOrons piloting them.
The outlier in the group is the Ducati Multistrada 1260 S Tour. Its cast wheels won’t do it any favors in the dirt portion of our test, but it was the only Multistrada Ducati had available - we had requested the smaller-engined but properly-wheeled Multistrada Enduro. It was either Multi 1260 S or nothing, so we bent our self-imposed rule. Rest assured, once we get our hands on the Enduro, it’ll get its proper shake against whoever wins this shootout.
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The only time I feel my 2012 Super Tenere feels heavy is when I push it out of my shop to go riding. Oil, fuel and Tires is all I have needed. Always runs great and a joy to ride. One of the first to order it from Yamaha Japan. Sorry but I think you guys didn't give any of these bikes a real fair shake in your part 1.
Was going to say the very same thing. Extremely BMW bias, and sure it´s a good ride, but how about after 100.000miles? The Yamaha will never fail you, the BMW has one of the worst warranty numbers among all bikes. The Tenere has gone through a lot of engineering to lower the center of mass to get one of the lowest in the market. Look at F9´s review, where he explains exactly what they did. Get your facts right before influencing a thousand people to choose bike.
Could not agree more. Once you've owned a Tenere and lived with it you just do not know what your missing. But we owner's love that.
I completely understand the negative reviews of the Tenere. I too would be pissed if a bike came along that does everything as well, for half the price with double the reliability as my GS. But seriously? No room standing up? Try starting up on an Africa Twin and pull a wheelie...it will trow you off the back if not careful. That bike is cramped, the S10 has room like no other. Carries its weight heavy? It turns into twisties like a streeetbike all day long effortless regardless of its 27 degree rake. Stalled in a low speed turn and almost fell over? Dont blame the bike for your incompetence sir! My S10 has TKC80 front and M-Tractionator rear and is a beast on and off road. Best ADV bike I ever had and indestructible.
I agree. Super tenere is all lies. I can rip it off road on my tenere. And do twisties just like any other street bike
I’m not sure if they are weak or just to short, but the Super Tenere feels less top heavy than my DR650; same goes for the GS. The “issues” with the S10 all seemed to be related to the “sound”; exhaust and valves (which don’t even have to be checked until 24k miles). I’ve rode all of these bikes except the Ducati and I bought the Yamaha... and would again. Tubeless tires, shaft drive, comfortable ride, easy service, reasonable price, and Yamaha quality; I don’t see (or hear) the problem.
Very well stated and probably the opinion of nearly all S10 owners. Oh, the one thing I don't like is that it stalls occasionally when you pull in the clutch while decelerating, usually as I approach a stop. I think the rider in the video blamed himself for a stall, but it is the lean engine tuning that does it. I am over it. Yamaha hasn't acknowledged the problem.
...I don’t understand how an Adventure bike with USD forks doesn’t have a mudguard that actually covers the chrome fork tubes. Why wouldn’t you want to prevent mud and dust collecting on the tubes so that you limit potential for seal damage? There’s a host of other design compromises. These opinions are on the money. It’s a massive plus that it’s reliable. Aside from that it really needs a thorough redesign to get close to the current adventure touring standards.
Smart guy don’t b a aunt make your own road
I think this was more a bmw promotion because every bike was knocked when bm was put on a pedastal.
Kevin Hanley adjust your Throttle Body Synch. Yamaha leaned them out to pass admissions. Take the painted one and screw it in until it stops. Then turn 3/4 of a turn out. Then using a Synchronizer adjust the non-painted one to match it. Takes care of that problem.
I also put AltRider lower fork protectors on and they were not very expensive for what they are... much rather do that then spend thousands on those more expensive bikes. I also put on custom front suspension because no manufacturer spends the money for a 6'3" 260# rider. Amazingly better. The more I ride this Super Tenere the more I really like it... and yes, I have taken it out in rough off road scenarios. It's not tio heavy at all. Handles superbly on road and corners well. Even after I put on MotoZ Tractionator Adventure tires on it. For $275 I had it flashed. Has great throttle and pick up in sport. I put on a lot of good crash protection on it and it is still way under what those more expensive bikes will be before you start adding stuff on them. This is coming from a person who has ridden Honda's since 73. I was drooling over an AT until this deal on the ST showed up. I don't even desire a twin now. I can easily pull away from my buddies AT and go anywhere he goes... and my tank is a gallon bigger and I don't worry about a chain. I also ride a CBR 1100XX Super Blackbird and a 2015 Wing, 2007 ST1300 I couldn't believe what I was hearing. Who hears valves when riding? I don't. Yes, I do have a Yoshimura pipe and the bike sounds great and even with that addition it is cheaper than the KTM and BMW. Top heavy ... not for my 6'3" frame. How come they didn't talk about the great low end torque and you don't need to rev this engine to get to it. It just plods along and gets you there and doesn't break down. F9 does a better review. Theu take bikes out for less than 1/2 a day over light dirt? Sheesh.
Well I've tested the GS and GSA, I've owned the KTM 1290s but now have a gen 2 Yamaha super tenere...only wish I'd got one sooner. So comfortable, reliable, plenty of power, great bike.
I agree that the R1200GS is maybe the best bike to ride, but I'm sure it's not the best bike to own (reliability issues, high maintenance cost, etc)... After seeing some friends struggle with their BMWs finally I decided to buy a S10, and it gives me peace of mind when I have to travel alone far away from home.
s10??????? what's a s10?
@@extraordinarywolf320
Duh
Super TENere = S-TEN = S10
I'm not a great rider, just nowhere near a "natural" on bikes. I wanted a GS from the very first one in the 80s, always loved them. I finally went to a dealer to test ride a used GS, an 1150 era. The minute I got on the bike, having never ridden anything but 650 thumpers, I was doing tight figure 8s in the parking lot. The sales rep asked if I was an MSF instructor...I'm nowhere near one, the GS is just that easy to handle.
I took off down the road and did an hour or so on it and I was just "done", it was incredible. I'm 6'5" and heavy and I think part of what I felt was that for the first time, I actually understood how a bike should handle. I suspect the low center of the GS offset my high center where on my 650 thumpers I always feel spindly and not planted and in turn, not very confident in the bikes. I wound up buying a new '16 GSA that day and after years of riding, it's the first bike where it felt right to me. It takes a mediocre rider and makes me feel competent. Nothing else feels like them.
Yes that Boxer motor and shaft drive is the GS equivalent of a 911 flat 6 in the rear. All the character. All the capability. 🏁
I think they’re not giving the Tenere enough credit. One can argue about the design, but the Tenere is designed to be functional and durable. I believe next to the GS it was the only other bike with a shaft drive. The ST is a very forgiving bike in nasty conditions. The only thing that bothers me is that you have to spread your legs too much when putting your feet down this taking some stability.
I tried the Africa Twin DCT and what freaked me out was that it shifted while turning in a roundabout. As for the Suzuki, now that thing feels cheap! On the Autobahn at 130km/h the front was very uneasy. The Suzuki’s engine with the front muffler manifold the way it is looks like plumbing!
The African twin seems like a cool bike as long as you never tip over. I like the Super Tenere. All those short guys struggle with it, but average height people have no problem with it.
That's the second time I've seen an Africa Twin break its engine case on what was really a pretty mundane fall. Makes me really question its design and how offroad worthy it really is.
mld the Dct is on the right side. I do agree they did not factory protect as well, but there is plenty of aftermarket protection for it. Even a regular BMW 1200 GS would bleed on a fall as from factory, no boxer protection in a fall.
Just never get factory protection. Aftermarket is always better. The GIVI bars and skid plate would have covered that.
Why even DCT Honda? No need to reinvent the wheel.
Robert Polkamp automatics, done very well are better, faster, smoother. So I think they’ve been putting it in consumer bikes as a way to perfect it for their racing line. Imagine in motocross no longer having to worry about stalling, or any gear changing. I think it’d give them a good size advantage.
Here's another one, seems crazy that they can't handle a slow speed off! ruclips.net/video/2S6hwq41Pok/видео.html
Rented a GS for a weekend. Took it back after a day. For me there was zero redeeming qualities about the GS. Give me a 1290 SAS any day. Glad to hear how far the V has come though. Tiger i still just can't quite like. Tried many many times. Haven't touched a AT yet, though I know it wouldn't be for me.
GS fanboys! I sold my GS to buy a Super Ten. IMO it’s the best adv bike on the market. The weight distribution is outstanding and the bike is incredibly nimble and feels much lighter than it is -definitely not top heavy as claimed. Your biggest gripe is the exhaust sound. Seriously? You’d give an excellent performing bike with a history of bullet-proof reliability a bad review ‘cause you don’t like the way it sounds? 🤦🏼♂️
gs doesn't have good exhaust sound either, and triumph is heavier than s10, they mention it themselves, lol :). Journalism goes to abyss...
3 years back tried the vstom,couldn't fault ,nearly bought it.
As I rode the gs's for last 15 years I went for the rallye 1200.
Next bike very soon ,Vstom, half the price, don't think I'll disappointed either.
Great review 👏
Interesting how many people love the Tenere, but these reviewers are always knocking it.
They live in a bubble. Imagine if you got to ride them all and got paid for it. You don't pay for the fuel, the bike, or the maintenance. Even if you break it, you just get another one. Why would they not circle jerk each other around the one with the most bells and whistles? Who cares what it costs or how often in breaks if you aren't footing the bill?
Give John a job! 😁 great presence and mic voice 👍😉 obviously a passionate biker too
As an owner of two Super T's....yeah is it $6k worse than the Beemer? I just don't think so. I've ridden these for the last 5 years....put gas oil, filters and tires into it. How many GS owners can do that? The bike is great on the pavement and I've seen plenty of more than fire roads on it and it just keeps going.
Here in Brazil, we can't afford easelly the BMW, especialy the R1200GS... it's way too expensive! But, a Suzuki, is something more real and the opinion of you guys made my mind and my chosen one will be a V-Strom (maybe a 650 for financial reasons rs)
Nationality is irrelevant. The BMW is a poser's bike, in the main. Too pricey, too 'darling', and too demanding.
Vstrom all the way and the 2020 model just enhances that
I read and watched many tests on the Super Tenere and never came across what you think about it. What's the problem? With the same kind of equipment the Triumph is much more expensive but it doesn't seem to count. That is really weird to me.
The XT1200 Super Tenere is simply the most underrated Adventure bike ever!
Wow I just purchased a 2023 Yamaha Super Tenere and your video makes me feel like I purchased a piece of crap and a big financial mistake. I am stuck with the bike for at least 5 years. Thanks, I pick the Tenere because I am sick of chains, love the drive shaft.
They are just permanently rigid for the shiniest, most feature rich, and most expensive thing in front of them It cost more so it must be the best, right? You did great with the Super Tenere because you got all the important features of the BMW, with the added bonus of better reliability, and you did it at a significant savings! Go enjoy that Tenere!
You got the best ADV bike ever made. Don't listen to the journalist
👍 for V Strom in price / performance perspective!
I can't agree when you guys say the S10 is top heavy. God damn! I have thousand of miles on the saddle of that bike, and also rode the GS and AT, (the At just test drive) and the s10 in NOT, by any means or standards top heavy, or for that matter uncomfortable (I did many 1000 Kms days on it no problem). I understand is not the bike with the most "bells and whistles" but its what it is (and everybody in the industry knows it): a honest, solid, loyal, a little rustic and tractor like, dependable machine. does not care about racing for HP, cares more on not leaving us stranded on the middle of nowhere. Trust me, I´ve been there! Of course I am also being a little biased (as everybody) and I don't know a thing about the other bikes (the T, the Ducati or the Strom (own a 650, not a 1000) ) but I know enough of traveling along side GSAºs, to know that when it goes wrong, IT GOES WRONG! Never, ever have I came across a broken down S10, anywhere! Also, comparing it with a Ducati which is the exact opposite (I could tell you lots of stories about the guys I come across, on the side of the road...). Well, im sure they did there best and this is me being envious. Opinions are like...
Totally agree, watch Fortnine's review. He is honest and not HP-horny!
noostNL I did. I love Fortnine’s reviews. And he’s s10 review is spot on, you are right!
Could the fact that the ST’s cases were filled up impact the bikes weight distribution feel compared to the other bikes during this test?
Stephen Romano the cases being full has an obvious impact on the weight distribution but, even then, I rode many thousands miles with the suitcases full to the top and it is no different from any bike. You can definitely feel the change in the weight distribution but, for example, its way less noticeable then in my old Vstrom. I cannot believe that this guys would do such a basic mistake, that is: to evaluate the COG of a bike, fully loaded, against bikes with no extra load. If buy any chance that happened it would explain a lot, but I don’t even consider it a possibility (given the fact that this guys are pros).
Even stranger. In the article they gave the Africa twin 10 more points for technology despite not having a center stand, shaft drive, cruise control or even tubeless tires.
I don't know what it is about the BMW vs the Ducati, but I road both and I fell in love with sound and character of the Ducati. It just makes me "wake up" every time I'm on it, and loath the moments when I have to get off. In my logical brain, BMW should have been what I bought...but my heart pulled out my wallet for the Ducati. Albeit I must admit, the Ducati's clutch is a little less forgiving than BMW's, but conversely that has made me a much confident shifter. It makes me more present on my decisions.
i have riden all these bikes, the BMW GSA has the best ride, the ktm and vstrom have great vtwin engines, the super tenere has heavy steering, the africa twin looks fantastic, the ducati is superfast - great video ! we are so lucky to have so many choices - i settled on the gsa and vstrom myself
Geez, you basically experienced the same things I did. Even down to the two bikes you'd pick! We must be twins...
I picked the vstrom, and I'm vhappy
can't really go wrong with a Japanese bike
I own a 2018 vstrom 1000. I am surprised that they rated it so highly amongst the company of other bikes but also very happy to know that it's not just me that considers it such a pleasure to ride. While I covert the GS and KTM, I can't justify the huge price increase for gains that would only be off road which is only 10% of my riding....think I will stick with the VStrom a little longer and just enjoy the journeys.
KTM Super Adventure S for the road, no question.
1290 Super Duke GT no question. Sure you can't haul as much stuff, stretch the legs as far, but no ADV is going to hold a candle to the GT and that's a compromise I'm not willing to take just to have a bike that can sort of double as a dirt machine.
disekjoumoer yeah the could of easily brought the s version if in the end they were only basing selections on road only purpose.
I’ve taken the S on gravel and fire roads, no problem at all. With rally rims and knobbies, I would go even more knarly, although the KTM has the 1190/1090/790/690 for that.
BMW simply does the RP & maketing better. So everyone talking about it. Other wise 1290S will definitly be the King, no question
Every one of these is a barge in the dirt. Lightness is rightness.
Great comparison and you can't beat honesty it just shines through.
Great review, loving the KTM! I ended up getting the S version for more street use and ended up adding the crash bars just incase. If you guys had the KTM S version there I think it would make your decision a bit more difficult lol. You make a good point even though its the street version its still capable of going off road and things can and probably will happen. Best to have protection!
Finally, you guys are back to producing solid content. One of your better efforts after sliding in quality. Welcome back
Much appreciated, thanks. We try our best each time. Inevitably, some are better than others.
For the XTZ just put a arrow or some exhaust muffler to have a great sound :)
Thanks to this video and much more, I chose to purchase a 2019 VStrom 1000xt and love it. I purchased in August and so happy I made the right choice. Keep making videos!
So expensive!! I don't think I could ever spend more than 10k on a bike, at least in the foreseeable future. My used V-strom 650 made it from Florida to Alaska no problem, and my XR650L is going across the TAT next year. I hope to get a Africa Twin eventually, but used. Or maybe a 650 variant of the Africa twin if one is made.
You sound like the ideal customer for a T700 =) You could build a Halfrica twin using a used CB500X and Rally Raid kit.
Totally agree! Bought my 2012 DL1000 VStrom in 2013 as a leftover for 1000 below MSRP- out the door for 9500 bucks. It's got 27k miles on it and just broken in...The basic appeal of motorcycling is their virtue of being cheap transportation. The Suzuki is relatively easy to work on and cheap to run and own...hope to keep it for a long time.
My riding buddy is on a 13 Strom and being skilled, he can take that thing places I wouldnt ride my XR650L on. He's a die hard Suzi fan (also owns a DRz400) and had an original Strom for 10 years. He did however loose the tranny earlier this year (unheard of in any Strom forum)...he was able to find a low-mile used motor and was down for only a few weeks.
Left over 1000 vstrom all the way. Torque monster. Way funner than Africa twin. Way cheaper. New left over less than 9000
KTM is cheaper when you consider the quality and all the upgrades you need on a Honda to make it even competitive, which, in fact, it will never be...
Oooooh I test road a gs and gsa the other day, apart from anything else it was the braking that got me, zero dive, you feel so much control braking late into corners. Unbelievable bike! I know it’s expensive but if you can afford it crazy to buy anything else, if you can’t afford it there’s the vstrom, still looks a great bike for the money,
Jeebus, if you can't do a u-turn on an S10 you need to turn in your rider card. It's easier than an Africa Twin DCT (which I owned for 2 years and sold after the DCT broke and it had a chronic stalling issue that Honda couldn't fix.
The Super Tenere benefits greatly from a flash, and who cares about the engine note, you should be wearing earplugs anyhow unless you want to get tinnitus.
All the yt negs on the Super ten make it a great buy. Seems few want it. I’ve got my eye on it.
And the winner is:
Yamaha Super Tenere 1200👍
It's nice to see you guys dont really care about long term reliability and maintenance cost because that would require research .
Exactly. GS is a fantastic bike until these needlessly overcomplicated components start failing and you start shelling out thousands on repairs.
This is one of the main reasons I went with the V Strom 1000 this year (2018 model). Cheap, ridiculously reliable, super comfortable and so much more...PLUS, I got Suzuki's 5 year manufacturers warranty for free. SO, for $9999.00 (Canadian) plus 5 year warranty, I'm good to go. The other plus side is that after my warranty if something needs repair, its not going to cost me an arm and a leg for it. In addition, the aftermarket accessories for the V Strom is wide...love the SW Motech stuff I put on her.
Having owned a Beemer and a ‘Strom, I have to say that the Beemer is a great bike (I put over 160 000 kilometers on mine). However, I have a tad over 200 000 kilometers on ‘Stroms and by far, the cost of ownership is astoundingly less, and the support “ out there” is equal to the Beemer’s. Depending on the weight of your wallet, for me, the ‘Strom is hands down the winner - I hope to have one in my garage for the duration of my riding time . . .
I am GS reider and owned a Strom before. I can admit everything. My next bike will be Strom again.
Lol, dropping oil for this comparison is a tradition at this point. Tough luck, mates.
Super Ten I didn't like much. Didn't turn that well, really snatchy throttle in sport mode (and lethargic in touring)
New AT really disappointed me with ergos. I'm 6'5, and I can't fit on the new bike because my knees hit the new tank bulges.
1290 was just amazing. Most dirt bike-y big bike, and craziest engine of the ones I've ridden.
Never ridden the others, but the V-Strom is on of the very most comfortable for me. Tiger also very good.
Dumping oil is a tradition we're trying to break! LOL
I’m perhaps an oddly shaped person, so ergonomics are super important for me. The GS definitely doesn’t have it, with pegs way too sport-bike tucked, and weird controls. I can’t speak for the strom used here but I had a 2008, and it was great. I just got a (used) Super Tenere because it just fits me so right.
I love the r1200 like everyone does that has rode one.
but I own a Vstrom 1000 which I love bc I got a super low mileage one cheap. After riding it for some time now I love it
I think these guys are bias against the Super Tenere. Wouldnt listen to their opinion on it. Yes, the engine has a bit of noise. Yes there is a bit of handlebar vibration. I went from a GS to a Tenere. Out of these bikes, I chose the Tenere because I because of price, the maintenance schedule, and availability. I have almost broke my Tenere in, she has a little over 46k miles.
They did test last year and it broke casing on a rock and yamaha didnt resupply them with another tester
To be fair, the Tenere is butt ugly, and looks basic, plasticky, and cheap. Compare the Tenere bodywork to the Honda.
No hate, please, because I am a happy XSR900 owner!
Gerhard beauty is in the eye of the beholder. I happen to think the Super Ten is a beaut - looks nicer than the KTM by a long shot. Definitely not plasticky and cheap.
True
Many of these bikes look like the turrets from portal.
I sold my 2015 GSADV and bought the KTM 1290 R. In my opinion, there is no comparison between the two. The KTM has 35 more horsepower, better suspension, and its lighter than the BMW. A loaded GSADV is almost 24 grand, while the KTM’s msrp is $17999.
Besides that, BMW’s long term reliability is questionable. The 1290 R is the alpha dog!
The downside is the KTM is VERY maintenance intensive, it ends up being just as expensive to maintain as a Multistrada.
I disagree with the maintenance comment, but do carry an extra fuel pump everywhere I go on my 1290. 👍
I have a triumph 1200 and honestly dont think the heat is that bad I ride on 110° days. Also BMW will always win here because noone wants to be left out.
jamesr824
My 2108 ktm 1290 S just got stolen/recovered totaled 😡😡😡
Chris Pearce that’s too bad. Looks like you will have to break a new one in!
This is great, but I can't wait to see the Africa Twin vs F850GS and Tiger 800.
Great review. The Super 10 will be running strong long after the boxer is in the junk yard.
I have owned an Transalp, 2 Crosstourers and im now on a Multistrada 1260 ..... and loving it very much indeed...
At 5'7" you wouldn`t think the BMW R1200GS Adventure would be the best choice, but take it for what it`s worth ...out of my current three bikes, it`s the one I ride ninety-eight percent of the time! In addition to the Beemer, I also have a very Hobbit friendly 2017 Triumph Bonneville Bobber (somethings usually wrong with it), an even taller (tip-toes only) 2017 KTM EXC-F250 that needs a valve clearance check if you sit on it for more than ten minutes (still love it though)! Been very fortunate in that I`ve had a lot of Harley`s, sport bikes and dirt bikes ...forty-eight years worth of them, but there is (to me anyway), NOTHING that compares to the versatility, quality and balanced ride of the Beemer! Now to be honest, when she wants to take a dirt nap, there isn`t a damn thing I can do to wake her up! The last time I tried I nearly shit myself, it`s one heavy bike!!! That is about to be remedied by the Dustrider`s Motorcycle Hoist, ordering one next week (if I`m allowed)? They`re all no doubt excellent bikes, but for me ...I`m VERY HAPPY WITH MY DECISION! Cheers!
Sounds like the Aprilia Dorsoduro 1200 is the bike to buy ... but honestly - the Suzuki V Storm gives you the best value for your money.
When you say " You can really feel the 21in tire on the road" on the Honda....it's a bit of a non-statement...do you mean it to be a positive or negative?
Negative on the street. Positive on the dirt..
The top ten number of recalls from 2006-2016 per brand (Visordown): Yamaha 49, BMW 44, Kawasaki 37, Honda 33, Ducati 32, Triumph 29, Suzuki 23. Build quality is important but reliability is pretty important too.
My opinion/experience my Africa Twin was plagued with problems. It was in the shop so much I sold it at 3600 miles. It would start only when it felt like it. It had to replace the fork seals. It had electrical glitches and over was very problematic. My GSA with 59000 miles was a great bike on the street but I would constantly hit my shins on the engine when riding off road. Also the bike about broke me going to the shop for “Maintance”. The way the exhaust is routed on the bike caused my leg to get burnt, once very very badly. My Super Tenere with 29000 mile doesn’t have the fit and finish of the other two bikes. The AT was better off road and the GSA better on but where the ST shines is, it does both well. You can do all the maintenance, which there is very little of, yourself. It is fun to ride and it ALWAYS works! There are many out there with well over 100000 miles. If your are logging miles there is no better bike.
how do these ADVs fare in terms of cost of ownership
I'm glad at least one person when choosing at the end clarified which bike he would choose based on price. Not everyone would choose a 25,000$ bike when a 15,000 bike would do 95% of what the more expensive bike would do. Some would love to have that extra level of refinement and brand exclusivity and can afford it. When there is such a price difference between models that should definitely be taken into account to be a well rounded review. No one mentioned shaft drive which is a big oversight.
interesting to hear the superten being one of the lightest bikes now
Excellent video and review, You clear my mine, My next motorcycle GS 1200, thanks guys. 😄👍🏽
but why no Honda VFR1200x?
Wow great review, this just reaffirmed my decision to own the new 1250 BMW GS Adventure--thank you for sharing
I like the GS; it’s really nice. The same goes for the KTM and the Africa Twin.
The road part of this test and the multistrada is the only road going variant, the one with 17" rims but you would all spend your own money on the GSA off road variant!! (If we're talking road only) your words. it's a shame ducati couldn't supply the enduro to keep an even playing field. look forward to part two cheers guys.
Thanks for the biased reviews. Picking up my Super Tenere tomorrow.
They have no idea what the Super Ten offers for people who actually want to own and ride these things - in all terrains. Yamaha isn't paying them enough clearly. Fortnine's Super Tenere video explains things clearly with facts that are based in something you know called reality.
@@tigercs1 I agree, but I understand that Yamaha simply thinks that they don’t have to prove themselves. After All they started this thing with the original Tenere. We just bought the 2019 Raid Edition as ZE and it is amazing. The GS dudes were riding downhill on the hairpins in the Alps without luggage (they only use Hotels and only ride in fine weather here in Germany) and we went uphill with full luggage in the hairpins. Of course there were the Ninjas passing us, but this is ok :) but you could watch for hours to find a GS fully loaded going up there ??? No way, don´t have the torque and can´t load the same...
No personality in the super ten, that Atas though? Buckets of Dakar character.
Excellent video, one of the best this channel has put out yet. I would also agree regarding which motorcycle to choose based on the available budget.
Interesting peoples tastes in bikes. Just finished my yearly big ride with my best mates. Myself on a GSA, the other bikes were a Multistrada Enduro, KTM 1190 and a KTM 1290R. Did about 10 days of the Idaho BDR. We all have smaller DS bikes as well. The Ducati guy loves his Duc, the 1190 guy loves his KTM and I love my GS. I've ridden all the bikes. And For ME, there just isn't another bike that does ALL the things the GS does...On the last day of the trip, the KTM 1290R owner rode my bike(on pavement) and his only comment was he sould sell the KTM and buy a BMW....For me personally, the further and longer I ride it, the better it seems to get. For the record I was completely anti GS until I was forced to spend some time on one....
my only problem with the bmw is ........ the price. In the video the bmw is almost 10.000$ more then the suzuki. To mee the bmw is just ,not worth 10g more than the v-strom.
buy em used, they lose their value pretty drastically.
As V Strom 1000 owner I could not agree more.
...also the spares/ cost of servicing the BMW is way more than the Suzuki.....
Trust me.. you have to ride it.. I’ve rode both. And honestly.. I loved the v Strom. I thought it was a great bike!! But the bmw is just a totally different mode of transportation. It really is that amazing.
My pops rides a brand new r1200GS adventure and I just bought a brand new 17 Tenere. I've ridden both back to back and frankly, I don't see the value in the 12K premium he paid over the cost of my tenere. Not to mention the maintaince
Curious why the Kawasaki Versys didn't make the cut, especially with the Suzuki and Yamaha in the group? Anyway good review, thanks for doing what you do.
More of a road bike really..
Where's the VFR1200X?
Isn’t that a little more in the Sport/Touring category?
The Tenere benefits tremendously from an ECU reflash, which eliminates Yamaha's nanny power limits, makes the power curve much more linear, gets rid of the annoying off-idle stumble and heavy engine braking, and adds about 10hp.
don't understand the weight problem. It's extremely well balanced and tight u-turns are a cinch on it even for a 5'7" rider. Here is a vid of a 60-something rider picking up his S10.
ruclips.net/video/kdxYlQ02CmQ/видео.html
Gs1200 is my dream bike
Suzuki VStrom is a keeper... Great all rounder quality bike, lower cost to maintain and own and reliable longevity service.. Vstrom is the clear winner...
The Super Tenere is many things but top heavy it is not. I can't believe anything you guys state after saying the S10 is top heavy. Did you get paid to give it a bad review? Come on......the bike is rock solid and it feels lighter than it is. Maybe you should take some review lessons from Ryan F9. He got it spot on. And to think you had the Tiger there too.....and you call the S10 top heavy. You've lost a lot of credibility in my opinion.
They do get paid by manufacturers for positive reviews. Yamaha clearly didn't fall for the extortion tactics used by motorcycle "journalists". Yamaha is confident and secure in their product. They don't need these guys. The smart money is on the v-strom if you don't need cruise control and the s10 if you do. I'm buying the S10 next spring myself. Reliability is the name of the game on long trips.
S10 is not top heavy. I can hold it straight for several seconds at a complete stop. It's one of the best bike for weight distribution. The engine sits super low...
S10 is top heavy
The S10 is extremely underrated. Yes it's got GS weight, and the horsepower isn't there on paper, but I'll be damned if it isn't a quick bike anyway. It's perfectly adequate at 120mph with full luggage (I was on a 2007 FZ6 with full luggage and was struggling to keep up with him and another GS). I've handled them around town and they are manageable. Fantastic reliability record and good value for money. People are snoozing on the S10 before they even give it a chance
For me I would chose KTM. I like the engine performance and sound. The another reason is the ridding position, GS and KTM would be comfortable for long ride because the knees won't bent too much. BMW and KTM suits all my desire but BMW is pricey and aftermarket also pricey too. Suzuki's I think the bike is too low for off-road but the price to performance definitely incredible, I'll keep focusing on Suzuki.
Damn you Ducati for not having an Enduro ready...With an Multi Enduro in this test, this test would have been perfect!
Still, a great test tho ;)
Yes, we were frustrated, too.
I love that Evans Brasfield is wearing a Buell Ulysses tee shirt. I picked up a 2006 Ulysses for $4k a year ago and love it. I have 5 motorcycles and find myself often riding the Ulysses. Watching this review that old bike still seems relevant since it weighs less than some of these new bikes in the review and has more power than some also. It is the only adventure touring bike I've ever ridden so I'd be interested to hear from someone with more experience riding adventure touring bikes how it compares to bikes like these that are 13 years newer.
Everyone: the multistrada rules on the road best touring bike here
So which would you have for the street?
Everyone: The GS....
Yup, makes sense to me
I didn't get that either. They all thought it was the rippin' most fun too.
Wow... My best friend, Made an excellent video. I really liked it. Beauty is extraordinary. Thank you very much for the video.
the Vstrom is the most sensible bike
Tried out a 1200 gs today. Wow, what an amazing bike that is.
Great I will also go with the Vstrom and ad an Akrapovic just becasue the price performace is great (had 2 old models and liked it) . Father in law went with the GS 2018 model but to expensive for me.
Honda doesn't call those crash bars on the Africa Twin. They refer to them as light mounts. Where they mount up to the frame is much lighter duty than quality aftermarket crash bars. Upper and lower aftermarket crash protection is a must. Same as the side cases. The Honda side cases are side open, low quality shite.
With the new 1250 GS and updated bikes that are being reviewed in this shootout, will there be a 2020 Big-Bore Adventure Touring Shootout?
I stopped watching after all the negative about the ST . I have a T7 and a Super Tenere , ST carries its weight almost better than the T7 and its weight is low down . Its a fantastic all round and underrated bike and will be riding long after the KTm has been recycled to pop cans .
"I love that boxer engine. It is just so damn good." OMG. This video is so suspenseful! WHY is it so good? I've never driven a 2 cylinder "boxer" engine before. Can you give us more details?
I heard someone who rode the Africa Twin (standard bike) & compared it to his ride on the bigger Africa Twin Adventure Sport (ATAS) and found:
- the seating position was not as comfortable on the ATAS. It tired him out faster whereas the AF (standard bike) was fine all day.
- the larger Africa Twin Adventure Sport (ATAS) very "bulky" fuel tank got in the way of his legs.
Besides those the ATAS was a good bike but he preferred the smaller Africa Twin (standard bike).
So no versys 1000?
WOW excellent shootout, great job!
So based o this video people should completely ignore the reliability aspect? What about maintenance cost? BMW and Ducati have a very short maintenance interval for valve adjustment. Go to your local craigslist and look for a Super Tenere, I bet there is one in there with 70k miles. The original owner of a GS1200 will probably get rid of the thing as soon as the warranty goes out.
I have ridden the 1200gs and gsa and like them a lot. Looking forward to trying and training the gsa at RAWHYDE in a few months.
curious about the S10 weight remarks as almost every other review since 2012 states that the bike "is" heavy but feels light, hmm..
It is heavy, but it is lighter than a GS
That KTM looks great!!!
Where are Harley Davidson Pan America & Kawasaki Versey 1000 ? 🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
I wish Kawasaki made an offroad trim of the Versys 1000
but of course one could just mod it for offroad
The Versys 1000 is a Sport Tourer, not an ADV bike. It isn't at home at all in the dirt.
@@mrvwbug4423 it isn't but that hasnt stopped people from riding whatever and however they please
Thing is, why bother? These bikes are really too heavy for anything but decent dirt roads and almost no one that is not a very experienced off roader will take a $20k+ bike offroad. Kawasaki's Versys 1000 is very good for bog standard touring.
@@disekjoumoer From what some riders have told me, is that they have previous dirt bike experience and are comfortable wrestling it around
I agree, an experienced adv off-roader will probably manage just fine with these bikes, however Kawasaki seems to be extremely cautious in what models it produces these days. The Versys x-300 is about their only newer adv type bike, and without switchable abs it's not exactly ideal for that role either.
I didn’t see or hear any account of who has cruise control and who doesn’t. That is a big need for touring. Who has heated seats and who doesn’t. What bikes have Self cancelling turn signals? Adjustable windshields and how easy they operate? Brakes, how did they work?
I think we are all lucky to be alive when we have choices like these fantastic machines! Thank you western white males, thank you greco-roman culture based (relatively) free market capitalism! Oh, btw I own a 2014 Vstrom and super happy with it!
I own a strom 650, an 2004 model, totally reliable. At 36k miles I changed the shock for a hyperpro, built for my weight, also the forks were changed. Braided hoses all round. I nearly bought a gs 1200 black , lovely looking bike, test rode it on my favourite twisty road , you know my strom handled better, and it was valued at £1000 , they wanted another 12000,on top for a 3year old BMW... 🤪... though I think the tyres on the gs didnt suit the bike... ?..
Ok waiting on part two guys!! Milking it?
Ok, I get changing due to a mishap is what you had to do, but come on. If it was going one way or the other, then the KTM 1290 S would have been there. I agree it’s a great bike, but the GSA is so expensive, and if you drop it once, the soft crash bars need to be replaced. The wheel bearings need to be replaced every 12k miles and outside of the North America, BMW will not honor the warranty. Yes, it is regional warranties, not global ones. Honda and Yamaha honor global. Offroad, the KTM and AT will win, because that’s what they specialize in. Although the AT apparently needs better protection, this is now the third 2018 AT Super Sport that has crashed and bled out on reviews on RUclips.
Wheel bearings at 12k miles, absolute nonsense!!! Coming up to 20k on mine and no problems, my mate has well over 20k on his and still originals
Dropped mine a couple of times and crash bars are fine!!!
Bought mine in England and the warranty is good for the whole of Europe!!!
This was, an adventure touring shoot out, not what bike is best value for money, we all know the BMW will be the most expensive here and there's a reason for that, go and spend some time on one and you'll understand
There seems to be an ever increasing number of BMW haters out there, who probably have never ridden one, I have been riding bikes for over 35 years, mostly sportsbikes but this bike has been a revelation, touring is my thing now as my legs and belly have instructed me not to be so stupid and for this I don't think there is a better bike
Off to play in Spain for 2 weeks soon and wouldn't want to be on anything else
> Bought mine in England and the warranty is good for the whole of Europe!!!
Another nice thing about the EU you'll lose next year. Sorry to see you leave :(
Danny Bannister so, yes, the warranty is regional, I’m happy you are good in Europe. The wheel bearings have their own forums in the US and CA and have been issues with mileage longevity. I am happy you love your GS, it’s a great bike, but not the best all arounder to me, in my humblest of opinions. I’ve owned one, a KTM and an old VStrom. All great bikes.
On your most expensive argument, yes, you do get what you pay for, with that argument you would tour with a Bugatti Divo instead of a BMW 7 series sedan. KTM is considerably cheaper and has the same safety considerations and better engine, but a worse warranty. My KTM 1290 has never been never towed once. My GS, twice due to electronic issues, but covered under BMW roadside assistance.
mld it is definitely a concern. There is a reason the BMW GS owners are usually older, when they have the funds to get the bike. The GS is a great bike, just not perfect like everyone says. The KTM warranty is shit in North America, much better in Europe. But the bikes are just so smooth, light, and believe it or not, safe.
I ll be in Spain too Sept 13. Ferry to Santander from portsmouth.
Guys get real at 27000$ you have to get a serious bike. Look at real life cost of ownership and for the regular guy the bmw is at the bottom of the list.
do the husqvarna 701, ktm 690, xr650, and other bikes of that class
vfr1200x?
BMW invented the class.
Nothing sounds like a BMW.
John Spencer
Long Beach, Ca.
A close friend has a Super Tenere and he's quite happy with it.
But, I would agree that for the money, this Yamaha does not have an expensive or quality feel about it...'cheaply made with cheap quality parts' always comes to mind.
This entire 'genre' of bikes is not really my thing...though they are more than capable motorcycles, obviously.