Which is Better? 2017 Manual vs 2023 X-Drive Competition
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Which is the better M3 for your money? The new 2023 M3 Competition X-Drive Jahre has all the technology BMW has ever put in an M3: Selectable AWD, Drift mode, 8-speed auto, adaptive dampers, and screeeeeens. You can frighten people and Porsches for under $100k.
But for less than $50k you can buy an F80 M3 that still has a manual transmission. Plus, it also has a twin-turbo inline-6, like the new one.
How are they different? Is the money worth the tech? Are the cars fundamentally different? Let's find out.
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Love how every shot narrowly avoids showing the G80s grille haha
Even the tumbnail! Good job!
they blurred it out 🤣
9:25
Literally every single time I see one of these grilles in the wild I cringe to myself.
@@baseballer21and0 hahaha omg I missed that! thats hilarious.
People are forgetting the purpose of the grill. More power = more heat = bigger grill. Get a Kia EV if grills aren’t your thing.
I am 62 yrs old and bought my f80 new 9yrs ago 110k miles with ohlins suspension. Manual transmission and its staying in my garage
which ohlins setup specifically? i’m not happy with my current bilsteins and look and solutions with external reservoirs, high and low speed dampening etc
@@mcintosh.motorsI have the Road and Track Ohlins on my F80. I'm on the fence about them. I was expecting a more sorted ride from Ohlins. Originally, I purchased the kit with the stock 90/190 N/mm springs and it was just too stiff around town. I then swapped to 80F/160R and it's made a big difference. There are now a few companies who offer a revalved kit with different springs for street use - for example, Turner Motorsport or 3DM Motorsport (if you're in the US).
My manual F80 is also staying with me... Great car 😊
For pete’s sake ! Drive it would ye. 😉
My f87 isn’t going anywhere either, but it won’t stop me from getting a g87 in a few years
How reliable has it been
I can't believe we're calling F80's old already 😅
Because they are… came out 10 years ago
They should've tested the F80 competition, which fixes a lot of the gripes people had with the original. Also, the LCI F80 had the nob and touch screen, just like the G80.
Underrated comment right here! This is the answer.
Manual F80/F82 is Competition and Executive package with the carbon fiber roof(no sunroof) is where it's at.
Correct!!
@@alldaydre 100%. I bought a DCT F82 Comp with Executive and the carbon roof and I'd take it ten times out of ten over a G8x car.
Does it fix the numb steering? I've driven a regular F82 and that was my biggest knock on it.
@@danielqiu3779no. Suspension and proper tires also heavily helps the steering feel.
Had an F80 DCT, for the most part loved it for Dad duty but missed a manual. Ordered a G80 manual, spec'd exactly as I wanted, waited the 5 months for it to built, etc. Drove it home for the first time in January and it felt so similar to my wife's X3 I got a lump in my throat. Buyer's remorse bad. Matt hit it on the head. The F80 feels like a sports car even when going slow, the G80 hauls the mail and no doubt the chassis has much higher limits and is fun at those limits but for most of your daily driving its just too soft. Can't keep of the sites looking for a cherry F80 manual or Blackwing.
Save the manuals!
I did the same! The manual doesn't do enough to retain the allure of the car.
Well explained..this seems to be a common gripe with the G8x. Heavy steering..numb..too heavy..top end performance a step above..but when do you experience it..its not as nimble.
You saved the new manuals by buying a new one. You’ve done the job
Now to find a Blackwing 👀
Funny you say that because I'm looking for an F80 or G80 for dad duty but cant seem to stop also searching for a CT4V Blackwing. I'm just afraid the 4BW is going to be too small.
As an F82 Competition owner I would never change my baby to a G82! No matter how much more horsepower it has, that's not everything!
Drive one, I too, was in the market for an f8x or an m340i until I drove these.
Now THIS is the Smoking Tire that I have missed! Pure car speak, pure enthusiast information. I have stuck in as a subscriber despite significant differences and through the lack of "Tuned" type content. If you want views keep making this type of video. We get enough political opinions from the rest of the world and come to places like this to escape the tribalism and enjoy our car tribe. Thank you guys for producing an informative car nerd video after what seems like years of hiatus. Bravo
F80s is easily the best looking M3 sedan. Might even be the best looking M3 period
I disagree the E46 M3 is by far the best looking M3.
I still have a soft spot for the E92 M3. What a beaut
E36 m3 sedan is way better looking
E92, e46, e36, f80, and g80 dead last. In my opinion.
I agree, F80 is the best looking sedan. Followed by the E90. My coworker recently got a G80 M3 Comp. Seeing it everyday certainly helps the design grow on you, but it's still a hideous design regardless of how much you look at it.
After driving many many G80’s and owning over 12 m3’s now….I 110% agree with Matt on the G80. I dislike the screens, I dislike the looks (especially compared to an f80) and you really can’t beat the f80 for bang for your buck. They’re pretty reliable (daily drive mine and out nearly 5k miles per month on it) in my experience I’ve had 0 issues with it. It you keep them stock and keep up on maintenance it’s a very very solid car. I’m not sure why the other guy is railing the F80 so hard, if you want amazing steering feel buy an Alfa Romeo Giulia Quad…but they do not even come close on reliability. I have a quad as well and it has been sitting at the dealer for an electrical issue since December. If you want an amazing car that won’t cost you 6 figures buy an f80 or if you want better sound an e9x m3. Imo you can’t beat an f80 for a daily/weekend/all around car it’s perfect
I owned a manual f80 for 2 years, a dct f87 m2 competition for 1 year and now i have a g80 m3 xdrive since 5 months. The f80 for a daily with the manual transmision was not so fun, but as a fun car it was good, never loved the manual transmision of the f80. The m2 comp felt special in every case and the dct gearbox was great. The G80 as a daily is not so special(maybe the coupe form gives some specialness for the m4), you need to floor it always otherwise it is like a normal 3 series with the sport seats, but i never felt like i didn’t want to daily the car unlike the f80 and f87. If i start to get bored, i go on winding roads and i realize how great the g80 is. For me the G80 is much better.😊
I’ve owned both of these, and Matt nailed it. The G80 is a bit boring and too heavy. It’s only fun at the limit…which you rarely hit on public roads
Savagegeese made these remarks earlier when he did his long term review of his Type-R. 90% of these cars all offer that feeling. They only make you feel something when you are going 9/10ths or 10/10ths flat out. Around town they are so insulated and riddled with tech and are heavy you don't feel anything. Especially in modern turbo charged cars. The Type-R and Type-S give you SOME of that old school feeling of making the driver part of the experience. And as Matt said here, a F80 M3 will give you more of that because its higher performance.
I think light weight also plays a big role in how “fun” a car feels at low speeds. The CTR/Type S are under 3200 lbs so it’s a big difference in weight. Do you think that makes for a more fun car in the canyons despite being FWD?
I actually picked up a type S after dropping the G80. Not nearly as fast, but I don't care. It's light, responsive, steering and shifter input feel great. It's just fun to drive. And that's what I care about nowadays. I don't chase straight line speed. Couldn't care less about 0-60 times
Cool story bro, needs more dragons.
There’s a stuffed dragon inside the car broooooooo
The f80 m3 facelift is the prettiest m car in my opinion
I agree, I really wish the F8x Platform had a better build quality tho, Interior rattles and squeaks are pretty common which can be annoying
@@thatpersiandude7386wait what?? The build quality is great..and a very BMW interior. The g8x platform is a step up though.
@@thatpersiandude7386 Yes and some of the rubbers like on the door cards melt and get sticky and break down over time. Audi interiors are much better.
@@jldp24no one looks at the interior of a car, that’s secondary. I’m sure the interior of a brand new Kia is nicer than the interior of an F80.
My G80 was a manual with the normal seats (Tartufo leather is ONLY available in regular seats in the US). I adored that car, put nearly 75k miles on it between Nov 2021 and Dec 2023. I still think the F80 is prettier, but the G80 is the absolute answer for a new, do it all car for enthusiasts. I spent as much time taking my daughter to school as I did burning through Michelins on backroads in various states. Mine also had the 2 screen setup versus the large single screen of the LCI M cars. The looks never bothered me since you can’t see the front of the car from the drivers seat, but I am having the same amount of fun in my newly acquired E36 vert despite being MUCH slower. Admittedly… seeing my daughter giggle with hands in the wind like she’s on a roller coaster from the back seat may be the reason I hold this car in such high regard.
Love my 2016 F82 Competition and I plan on driving it for another 5-10 years. No mechanical issues at all and still looks great. 60K miles and not a single rattle. Big smile every time my garage door goes up. 👍😉🏁
Agree with Matt about the analog gauges. I’ll go analog with as many buttons as possible for as long as possible 😉
Manual is always the way to go!
I’ve owned my E90 M3 for over 7 years. I know I’m in the minority of M3 owners but I like the F80 and G80 quite a lot. The G80’s are insanely fast. I like that the F80 still has a double clutch available. I’m the weirdo that wouldn’t take a manual in either option. The manual transmissions are kinda crap. The electric power steering isn’t as good but hydraulic supremacy in my E90 will be hard to beat. Good video friends.
Agreed. I'd daily driven manuals for 10 years (E46 M3, WRX STi, B8.5 S4 all manual), but I bought an F82 M4 Competition with the DCT and I've never looked back or regretted it. I really, really like the DCT.
The F80 manual M3 was the worst manual driving experience I've ever had. I've never driven a modern manual transmission BMW where the manual inputs were well resolved with one another and felt natural. Ultimate marketing machine.
I'm totally with Matt here and love the looks so much more of the older M3. Love the interior, no hideous grill and the overall simpcity of the package. Also, he's spot on when it comes to the dashboard and actual gauges and love the analogue dials. In the real world, you don't need any more power..
Just have a few thousand for maintenance on hand.
Thank you, thank you, THANK You for not overlaying music while you are talking! Love the old vs. new formats! Keep up the awesome work!
Huh. I could not disagree more. I've had the F80 M3, an F82 M2, an M2 Competition, and now have that same drivetrain in an X3M Comp.. and I really do not like the new ones. There is something squirrely about the xDrive system that does unpredictable things when you're thrashing it. The old cars behave as you expect them to, you can rip the car as hard as you want and the rear behaves predictably. Now I don't think that's the case. Sure, for track driving I have no dobut the G80 is faster. But in terms of just sliding the car around and getting in trouble, I think the F80 was the end of the era.
why did you give up on real driving and brought an suv?, and, ffs, if I hear "space" one more time.. 😄
@@eugenuxyou speak English 😂
Great work guys… awesome review and comparo on both.
Funny thing is that people said the same thing about the E9x vs F8x and how not engaging the F8x is but how fast it is compared to the E9x
Love this style of head to head with you guys! It seems like head to heads aren’t very common anymore but they’re so interesting.
As the owner of an f80 that sees 80% track time, I love this content. Thanks guys. Would love to hear a little CT4-V BW comparo thrown in as a middle ground price point.
As someone who chose 4BW over F80, me to 😊
@@fantastic9864 did you own an f80 previously? Thinking about the 4BW as a daily until the aftermarket suspension and braking market catches up. The braking system is my biggest area of concern for track work.
@@allthepizzainmybelly1302 No, but I was cross shopping. I was able to get the 4BW 6 months old CPO for just a few thousand more than a manual F80 so it made it an easy choice for me. I have my first track day with it next month so I'll see how the brakes hold up. I'm not too worried about it since I believe the performance academy uses stock brakes and their cars are hammered on.
@@allthepizzainmybelly1302 I've tracked mine three days last year. Brakes hold up good but will fade towards the end of a brake heavy track at the end of a 20m session. That's on the OEM pads. A set of DTC60s will fix that up easily though. Same calipers and rotors off of a SS1LE. Depending how hard you push, the off the shelf experience holds up great if you ask me.
@@joszer interesting. Were you able to feel the fade coming with the brake by wire?
LMAO at all the creative ways to hide the grill!!! Too funny
cool video concept, keep em coming gents
This was a fun video to watch!! Both generations are excellent IMO.
I do wish I could have loaned you my 18 as it’s a near stock Competition model 6M with 1/5 the miles of the red one. Turner shifter bushings and upgraded trans mount also solve the meh shifter feel so overall the car is excellent to drive.
I seriously don't agree how you guys say so bluntly that you should not option the carbon seats. Everyone I know that has tried those seats myself included has agreed that they're way superior to the standard seats. I feel they are extremely comfortable the only problem being getting in and out. The standard seats offer no support at all and at the end of the day this isn't an M5, you're gonna want to track it or have fun in the canyons which the standard seats do an awful job of keeping you in place. You should emphasize that seat comfort at the end of the day is also subjective, not just straight up tell people not to get the carbon buckets because someone might actually listen to you and end up disappointed. Agree on everything else said in the review though and thank you for the free content.
Great video, keep it coming.
A comparison I’d love to see as their prices seem to be getting very close together or at least will be in a couple years is a used F80 vs used CT4V Blackwing.
9:25 THE BLURRED FACE OF THE G80 LMFAO
I do think the F80 is a compelling used buy but I think whenever I'm within firing range of an M3, I'd wait for the G80.
It has the E36 badboy smut factor, it's completely unloved rn. It's the M3 996. I like that about it. It's maximum M3 obnoxiousness
But... the F80 is getting down there. The nuances are definitely interesting! Definitely think though that the OG M2 is the 2010s BMW I'd consider buying
LMAO I get it now
the E36 m3 is on the upswing.
bad ones are still cheaper, but there's newfound reverence that people might want to watch out for.
@@diltd3989 Oh yeah definitely, it always swings around. 996s, 964s and E36s were all hated at one point, they're revered now, 996s are on the upswing for instance.
I should know, I own an E36 sedan and had to see the bad press it got for so long 😁
F87 M2 Comp. Easily the best modern BMW. CS is better obviously but they are expensive. M2 Comp gives you everything the F80 M3 does but with better feel.
Wtf is smut factor
FYI, the later year F80 has a touchscreen that's just coded out for some reason. You can turn it on with some simple codes, and it works great except that the screen is a little far away. I'm guessing that's why it's not on by default. If we're going to highlight forged internals then I think some basic coding can be in the convo. Overall, the f80 has been great for some light mods, not sure how the 100k G89 holds in that respect.
yeah but doing that wouldnt allow them to push tiny little bias narratives like that "the f80 doesnt have a touchscreen" when it very much does lol.
well, I went with the G80 RWD competition without the carbon buckets. also drops the msrp from $100k+ for the xdrive to around $86k. my best friend had a 2014 F82 and than 2018 F80 comp, so I know how those drives. Also it is pretty tough to find a F80 with lower mileage that is under $50k and dealing with the reliability issue with the older car.
Yall are gold and i appreciate how it isnt just bashing one of the cars. Keep up the good work
Appreciate that
Have been looking forward to this one, was a great watch
I’ve never driven either, but just remember the f80 getting absolutely savaged in the car magazines when it was released.
I’m curious how the f80 vs a new civic type r as a daily driver
Right! I was in the camp of people that hated F80s because of all the bad reviews about them but hadnt driven one. Then finally last year I drove one and bought it the next day. People hated that it was bigger like an M5... To which I say, people have always loved M5s!
@8:50 aren’t all M3’s “knob operated”?….
Nice
savage
if he is driving its KNOB operated. 9:02 you think he can get any closer to the wheel?
Ahahaha!
😂
Zach starting the comparison by quoting stats reminds me of people comparing tech by quoting memory and processor speeds. For me, cars are about the experience and emotions that they evoke. Those aren't as quantifiable, but to me they are more important. I get it that everyone's different and maybe Zach and people like him get their enjoyment from stats and numbers - to each their own.
Great video. Please do more like this! Especially for old European cars
I’m definitely bias but I absolutely love the f series cars. The styling is excellent both exterior and interior, plus I love physical buttons. A touchscreen equals a dirty screen.
Really liked this format. Can we get an F30 340i vs G20 M340i next? Or anything Boss 302 related
This style of video is so fun to watch. Seems like this is also a model of how to keep making great videos for enthusiasts despite less new affordable enthusiast cars coming out
Gotta say... At my last HPDE, there were more Camaro SS 1LE's and F80 M3's than anything else. They hit a sweet spot
Just got my g80 m3. In black I actually love the way it looks but the technology is brutal . I daily drive a 5th gen 4 runner so I hate not having buttons or an analog dash in the beamer. I guess I will get use to it. Still in break in period. Time will tell. Great video !
Props for all the effort covering the beaver teeph LOL... Gotta say, I do agree with all Matt's points on the F80, and that's why it would be my choice if I had that cash (specially for the insurance and maintenance)... The F80 seems to be a hell of a car, pretty, with gauges and most modern technology that I would actually want, no ball holders, and manual!
I love how you censored the front of the car.
Great Video, would of been nice to compare the last of the F80s nice comp model (they have touch screen nav too) and drive a better and to have the first G80`s , Always enjoy the contact, big Fan of you guys from the UK and always enjoy the PODCASTs, keep up the great content 🤘
Cammisa commented on this: It’s crazy that zoomers on TikTok already think that the F80 is really old. Makes me feel like the old one.
He also said the new Tesla Model 3 Performance made an M3 redundant. Which I kind of get because if you're just going to drive a heavy car around that is mostly good at going really fast, why bother with a bad sounding gas engine and gears when you can just fly silent with electric? Since all the feel an fizz has been ironed out of the car anyway.
@@TheBucketOfTruth neaah; he is becoming a best buddy with all electric cars manufacturers because #early access bring tons of views which, in turn, brings tons of money. Also the controversy sets a high engagement with the audience and that's also beneficial; it is literally "how to be successful on youtube in 7 easy steps" type of plan.(and, unfortunately, it works)
@@eugenux I actually believe him though because once driver engagement goes out the window as the advantage for the gas car (or noise), then why not just have electric? Cause the driver engagement on the M3 is suffering and they don't sound very good either. Remember we're not talking about an old Porsche here vs a new electric car, we're talking about a performance daily driver sedan. And the Tesla is also 500 hp, also 4000 lbs. And it's half the price of the M3. And I literally hate Elon Musk and anything he's associated with by extension, so I'm the last person to want to admit this sort of thing.
Who
Digging the thumbnail!
Its crazy you guys just came out with this video! Im looking at both of these right now! Moving on from my Focus RS. I think there good options to move up
I absolutely adore the Focus RS. Great cars, coming from an F80 M3 owner, I know you'd love one!
@Patrick_Hession98 I'm really wanting another manual. I wish there was a manual in the competition for both models! That might be the deciding factor on which one I get
@@RS_Jones88 Absolutely. I've got a competition DCT, but the Manual comps drive perfect.
Love this series. Please do more comparisons. I’d like to see something with the AMG GTS or Aston Vantage. Both are great value
Solid video as always guys. Like this concept as well, not that’s it’s anything new ofc lol
This was very good I like the comparisons
The effort to avoid showing the grille 😂 good job
Yay, I love comparison videos!
I have a manual e36m sedan and manual e46m. I love both but I had an Evo 8 prior and really miss the boost. There’s something about an f80 with the 666m wheels that makes me want to get rid of both
More of these style videos!!
As usual, I agree with a lot of the points in this video. Coming out of my 6MT E46 M3 coupe, I wanted a newer M car as a semi-daily driver and weekend backroads cruiser, but didn't know if I wanted to go F chassis or G chassis (I drove a 6MT E92 M3, loved the S65 but the ownership experience isn't for me). Background - I work for a high line car dealer and get to drive just about everything from relatively affordable sports cars, to 7-figure hypercars, and everything in between.
Ended up buying a CPO '20 F82 M4 Competition with the DCT. I've driven a G80 Competition Xdrive (auto) and a G82 Competition (RWD, auto) and I like just about everything about my F82 more, minus the extra power from the S58. I like the DCT over the 8 speed auto, it seems to just have more personality. The biggest swing to me was the exterior styling and the interior on the F8x cars. The 2018+ F8x cars feel right in that sweet spot of timelessness - more modern feeling thanks to the LCI in 2018, but still physical buttons for important things and physical analog gauges, with toys like HUD and wireless Apple CarPlay. Also, in 2019 and 2020, the MMI screen in the M4 is a touch screen. The Competitions also got quite a bit of suspension and differential revision to help with a lot of the complaints on the earlier F8x cars.
I can't think of another sports car I'd like to own, at least for the way I use my car, short of $100k. It really is a great platform.
I noticed there was a lot of saying that F8x chassis was boring. There is one major reason for this and that is that you have traction control still on MDM mode doesn’t count. MDM mode is super invasive and as you get on throttle with these cars, it’s probably blinking all the way up to 60 miles an hour. Car is an absolute animal will not disappoint before putting it into a ditch if you’re not a good driver. On the FX8 platform, the DCT is where it’s at.
IMHO, g80 is definitely a better car overall. Like the video said, better suspension. S58 is way better than the s55 in terms of power delivery and tuning potentials. The interior is way better than the f80 interior(gauge clusters and buttons are personal preference). The option to have 4wd in the g80 is a game changer. The CB seats are sexy AF(if you fit). Not to mention all the tech you can do with the app such as remote start from anywhere and located your car with the touch of a button. if you want old school, E92 is where it’s at. The F80 IMO is a transition model to the refine G80 platform. I do miss the power dome on the f80 hood tho..
I had an e46, two F80s (6MT and DCT) then a G80 M3CS. I’m over the grille, but hated it at first. I loved my F80 manual with cloth seats. CS was a different beast tho.
Great presentation from you Zack, you detail and sell the virtues of the new gen comp very well! However, gimme an e90 M3 or my old e30 forced induction 318is over either of these any day
Brilliant video, lads
You had me at "a cake that replaces itself as you eat it."😂😂😂😂
But... I feel like something was missing. You know, like there was something else I expected to see....🤔
where does the ct4v blackwing fall under all of this?
Trying to emulate the EverydayDriver format now?
Makes sense to mix it up. Every day driver uses smoking tires format for new car reviews and has started using The Topher style head cam videos.
I have 2020 M4 Comp.. DCT. My car has the LCI tweaks.. the S55 has forged internals .so I’m not sure what you guys were talking about. I don’t know what year F8 M3 guys are driving, but Bmw revised the suspension for the LCI competition and power delivery is amazing. My car is the heritage edition package and I have the Mperformance suspension. G80 is a slapping of Jenkee in between car that Bmw built to hold them over for the electric stuff.
S55 has forged aluminum alloy pistons and piston rings but cast conrods. Zach mentioned the B58 but that has a forged crank and conrods too, but cast pistons. Either way, S58 is top dog but unless you're aiming for crazy amounts of HP, all three motors are going to be capable decent tuning on the stock block/internals.
5:05 huh so I had to check on this. Yes the S58 has fully forged internals, while the S55 has forged aluminum alloy pistons and piston rings BUT cast conrods. B58 has arguably a larger aftermarket due to the larger demograph, and has a forged crank and conrods but cast piston.
The S55 doesn’t have forged pistons. Piston rings are never forged, so neither has them.
S58 has forged pistons.
B58 same as S55 have casted pistons.
DO MORE OF THIS!!
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9:26 absolute comedic genius right here.
As soon as he called a f80 boring his opinion lost all credibility im sorry you trying to say a f80 is boring 💀😂
I'd love to see you guys redo this with a lightly modded/refreshed F80. Go with an LCI Comp model and flash it with the CS/GTS software and throw a monoball thrust arm and some camber plates. Can pick up one with those mods for under 45k OTD and would be very interesting in terms of dynamics compared to the G80.
Great video
Having just gone from a comp DCT F80 to a manual G80. I agree with Matt. There's a certain..
rowdiness or fuzziness that's missing.
The relatively uncouth nature of the F80 is definitely missed. How it is so peaky. How the DCT was lurchy. The F80 was special even at low speeds. The G80 you'd have to push it really hard to enjoy it.
The things we lose in the name of progress.
It's like missing '80s and '90s turbo lag. It's fun even if not super fast
F82 M4cs owner here. Tried to convince myself a few times to get a G80/2 but keep failing. Might just wait for the G82 M4cs. Side note - slap a BM3 on the F80 for $600 and dial steering and power delivery at your will.
also Zach only the early f80s had that torque issue, they fixed that with the f80 comp and further with f80 cs
I'm excited! I have am F80 M3 6MT
Great video lads. I had a F and now a G touring. So much faster and more comfortable, (no buckets) as a daily, plus wagon!
Through a damp rainforest it’s much quicker than even my GT3. Climate controls are fine once you’re accustom to the screen.
Very jealous of your Touring! The ultimate dad car.
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Not many about but perfect daily !
Love that beautiful Weiss watch! 👍
i'll probably check out a manual g82 in a few years if i tire of my manual f82, but so far i haven't even a little bit. i'd be a lot more interested if the xdrive comp wasn't exclusively automatic.
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More videos like this please! 👍
Looking forward to 2160p in future videos
Depending on what MY the F80 is, the infotainment screen might be touch screen
I've got the F80. Absolutely love it! 🔥🔥🔥
Funnily enough a CTR is what I’m considering at the moment - truth is it’ll come with a warranty and likely be reliable and 300bhp is enough for the road… Might have to drive an F80 to make sure though…
I own an F82 M4 Competition, and have been waiting a long time for you guys to take a look at the F8X again, particularly as it stacks up against G8X. I think you have a couple videos in an older format of heavily modified ones, and the GTS, which didn't help me much when I was shopping a couple years ago. In fact, it seems like none of the RUclipsrs I follow like Doug DeMuro or Throttle House have anything on these, so thanks for doing this.
I agree with your criticisms of the F8X. The suspension is something I continue to consider upgrading. The Comp is even firmer than what you guys drove. Weirdly, I've started trying my commute with the adapters in Sport (medium) because Comfort (soft) oscilates for quite awhile on our crappy LA streets. I have found that upgrading to Pilot Sport 4S from the OE Pilot Super Sport helped noticeably with compliance and noise, though.
That said, I'm really happy with just about everything else with my car. The power is more than sufficient. I was on Big Tujunga last week, and it's hard to imagine another 100+ horsepower doing anything to improve the experience. I already run out of road in most places before the S55 really stretches its legs. The front-end grip is pretty immense, especially with the new tires. The interior is simple in a good way, relatively quiet, and the Competition seats have good grip, without the ridiculous "compromises" (read "ball holster") of the G8X Comp seats.
I think your conclusion is completely correct. If you look at what $40K-50K gets you these days, the F8X is an insane value. I'm obviously biased, but I think these cars have been overlooked, partially because journalists liked the F87 M2 better because of its size, but these actually only weigh slightly more.
You should try flashing your car with the CS/GTS software. Really transforms it.
@@cptclutch2530 I haven't. It might be something to look into if I ever get "bored" with it. I've heard it adds even more obnoxious pops to the exhaust runoff, which there's already too much of in the higher engine modes on the Comp. Maybe that's configurable, though.
@@chrisstevens1272 You can pick and choose each module. So for example I'm running the GTS diff code along with the F87 CS steering and the F80 CS suspension.
Great Video, I found it interesting. My Daily is a 1M, that I may never sell & keep it in the Garage for the odd drive here & there. The Steering is something I just won't find in a replacement and everything is way heavier, which has a sizeable impact on the driving experience. I'm now thinking of what a suitable daily would be if I stayed with a performance Car........G87 M2 Manual, G80 M3 Manual............or dare I say it, a Honda Civic Type R (FL5). Or do I get something like an E90/92 M3 or F80 M3 and build what I'd like? Silly first World problem I know, but the continuous increase in weight, the disconnected steering dwindling availability of a Manual box is just numbing the driving experience. I will also add that the Litchfield modified G87 M2 Manual on Harry's Garage here on YT, look pretty awesome (although the Seats are not for me).
I know it’s not apples to apples, but how would you compare a new M2 manual to the F80 M3 from a standpoint of fun, driving dynamics, and overall feel. I’m a previous owner of a 2018 M3 comp, 2020 M2 comp and current 2023 X3M.
Great watch. Time for a 5 way review next, 1M, M2 OG, M2 Comp, M2 CS, and G87 M2 please.
The b58 has forged rods and a forged crank, which is one of the reasons it can make so much power reliably. What forged pieces is the b58 missing compared to the s58?
Hi performance Mahle forged pistons from the factory, lightweight forged crank, valves and springs etc. I have both engines. B58 is a nice "truck" engine, S58 is a race engine. They are very different in characteristics, internal parts and design. Cooling system, lubrication system, forced induction system, etc. are very different.
@@genderlessyoutubefanpersona race engine has a proper dry sump homey
@kcw9313 Not sure if you are trying to defend your b58 or dissing on S58. Again, just for you, homey S58 is a motorsport engine. Having a dry sump is not needed or required for the engine to be classified as a race engine. In S58, there are many elegant engineering solutions that will give you many worry free miles on the street and race track.
Sitting in front of the controversial grill on the new one! Slick thumbnail!!!😂
I wonder how a '21 G80 w/comfort seats would compare to F80 for Matt. ('21 G80s have more buttons and no giant screen vs the '23 G80 in this video)
I used to watch TheSmokingTire every day years ago. Why is he only at 1.08M subs? Should be at 3M+ subs. This guy is a legend in the car review space.
F82 M4 comp here. Buddy got G82. Still love my F82.
The one here isn’t comp package on the f80 which makes a big difference in suspension and other areas. F body all the way. The last of the greats
The S55 needs an x-pipe or it just sounds like 2 I3's in parrallel.
I had an F80 6MT with 18inch OEM wheels I thought the car was great ZERO complaints. I now have a 2022 G80 6MT. The biggest difference to me is the G80 is more luxurious and that's what i wanted. For me having the 6MT makes it fun just driving at normal speeds. You don't need to drive 10/10ths to enjoy the car. I'm keeping my G80 right now it's 100% stock.
Absolutely love my G82 buckets! I've driven 30k miles in 1 year in them.
My biggest gripe with my G80 is the gauge cluster. I hate digital gauges, especially ones that are backwards. Bring back the circular analog gauges. I got lucky and had the option to order a 2022 or 2023 and I chose the 2022 because I didn’t want the huge iPad screens. That was a great decision.
At the end of the day people are almost exclusively buying the g80 xdrive to mod for straight line speed. Downpipes, tune, and some ethanol and you have a 700+whp car that does 60-130 in the 4s and 5s on the stock motor/trans. Also running sub 9.5s (plaid times) in the 1/4.
Which is why BMW has lost its way. Uppity Dodge crowd is their demographic now, not actual drivers.