Debunking Araki Forgot Extras: 4

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  • Опубликовано: 9 мар 2022
  • Going over more topics that were missed in the Debunking Araki Forgot series.
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  • @Hamon_Beat
    @Hamon_Beat  2 года назад +671

    Reply to this comment with your ideas for a future Debunking Araki Forgot Extras video.
    Only include topics from Parts 1-7 of JoJo, and from spin-offs such as Thus Spoke Kishibe Rohan.
    Please refrain from leaving tons of replies to eachother, since it makes it very difficult to find the comments later, and leaves less room for others to reply.

    • @kingofnothing5781
      @kingofnothing5781 2 года назад +56

      Araki forgot to include me in jojo

    • @Lena-di2ln
      @Lena-di2ln 2 года назад +98

      Why don’t the clothes of the funny valentines from different worlds combine and get destroyed like other objects?

    • @mr.andrew7820
      @mr.andrew7820 2 года назад +54

      I don't know If this is only in the anime but,when vanilla ice was exposed to the sun his clothes remained unchanged but when dio was exposed his clothes explodes(plus,dio's clothes in part 1 remained unchanged even after being cut by the luck sword)

    • @mr.google1437
      @mr.google1437 2 года назад +31

      I'm not too sure if this is in the anime only but doesn't Rohan write "goes to/going to hell" in cheap trick when he's being grabbed by the ghost hands?
      Does that being up philosophical questions on whether
      A. Hell exists in JOJO
      B. If it didn't previously, then does that mean Rohan created and then sent the stand to it
      C. Rohan can possibly write anything into the page, regardless if it can happen

    • @adultcarrots4603
      @adultcarrots4603 2 года назад +16

      In part 6, when Dio heals Pucci’s foot, wouldn’t he become either a zombie or a vampire?

  • @Predator20357
    @Predator20357 2 года назад +2218

    This series is going to basically just end up with him explaining every single aspect of the manga including the Non Cannon parts too

    • @terriblyterrified8742
      @terriblyterrified8742 2 года назад +256

      soon enough hamon beat might have to explain how araki's date of birth has nothing to do with joseph losing his clackers

    • @Flamme-Sanabi
      @Flamme-Sanabi 2 года назад +129

      "So basically, Dio and Jonathan were rivals and Dio was not a good guy."

    • @singletona082
      @singletona082 2 года назад +1

      He's gotta get his epeen stroking in somehow.
      *shrug*

    • @Predator20357
      @Predator20357 2 года назад +25

      @@singletona082 uh, okay?

    • @corryjamieson3909
      @corryjamieson3909 2 года назад +11

      Next he's gonna include the bible

  • @crispybutters
    @crispybutters 2 года назад +2526

    “This person doesnt seem to understand” is one of the funniest ways to start a sentence debunking someone

    • @z-v-x8324
      @z-v-x8324 2 года назад +216

      "These people don't seem to know how a fridge works."

    • @singletona082
      @singletona082 2 года назад +7

      It also makes you sound like a massive douch cannoo. Even if you're right.

    • @black97_0
      @black97_0 2 года назад +36

      @@z-v-x8324 still the best roast in this videos XD

    • @mrreyes5004
      @mrreyes5004 2 года назад +67

      @@black97_0 So-called "fans": Araki forgot how his Stands work!
      Also "fans": **Forgot how basic irl early-2000's technology works.**

    • @Needwagon4Speedwagon
      @Needwagon4Speedwagon 2 года назад +9

      He's so polite, if it was me I'd start with "This fucking donkey can't even" or something

  • @Toastman30K
    @Toastman30K 2 года назад +515

    Norisuke only looks suspicious because Araki's style makes everyone look suspicious

    • @stzechmagenta1340
      @stzechmagenta1340 2 года назад +146

      Reminds me of that meme "We should be cautious, the stand user could be anyone" and then proceed to show the most obviously detailed design character ever

    • @eebu4053
      @eebu4053 2 года назад +35

      why you gotta be such a sussy baka

    • @robertlupa8273
      @robertlupa8273 2 года назад +40

      When everyone is sus, noone is.

  • @IguessNils
    @IguessNils 2 года назад +1228

    A common misinformation about JoJo is the creator, Hirohiko Araki, himself. Many people believe that he is a vampire, because he doesn't seem to have changed a lot over the years. That is not correct, because if he WAS a vampire, I'm pretty sure I would have seen him at the anual vampire meet-up but NOPE, nothing.

    • @Voc_spooksauce
      @Voc_spooksauce 2 года назад +93

      Maybe he's just hiding between mirrors

    • @lowbridge4080
      @lowbridge4080 2 года назад +77

      His probably a rock human

    • @ironwraith852
      @ironwraith852 2 года назад +40

      Maybe you’re not seeing him there, because they’re sending you the wrong information about where the important vampires are.

    • @remixtheidiot5771
      @remixtheidiot5771 2 года назад +55

      @@lowbridge4080 that would explain his hiatuses and why part 9 is taking so long!
      He's currently on his annual hibernating phase!

    • @ahmadtaufikkurrohman8869
      @ahmadtaufikkurrohman8869 2 года назад +12

      Or maybe a Rock human. Because Araki is allergic to mangoes just like a rock human

  • @VioletLunaVirgo
    @VioletLunaVirgo 2 года назад +490

    Rohan: *writes the ability to know where Kira is*
    Target: "He's on Earth, most likely Japan, Moriah"

    • @kochuskolbaskoi
      @kochuskolbaskoi 2 года назад +22

      Useful 😎🤟

    • @SubjectSigma18
      @SubjectSigma18 2 года назад +50

      Duwang

    • @Kiruma_Tatsuki
      @Kiruma_Tatsuki 2 года назад +31

      @@SubjectSigma18 chew

    • @sonetagu1337
      @sonetagu1337 2 года назад +12

      You kniw you blend well with society that even Rohan's ability only stated "most likely" where you are

    • @shinji391
      @shinji391 2 года назад +2

      Morioh. Learn to spell.

  • @BornToPeeForcedToDrinkIt
    @BornToPeeForcedToDrinkIt 2 года назад +1753

    I feel like Rohan "teaching" Koichi is as simple as writing "I will learn Italian very quickly and easily" and then Koichi just goes and learns Italian from a book or tape collection. Learning a language takes time because we're fighting against our existing language bias and have our own varying degrees of memory retention we have to deal with when learning anything new, especially languages. If Heaven's Door removed those limits by making Koichi retain and understand the information, say, the first time he ever read/heard it, he could conceivably learn a whole new language in a short amount of time the same way real-life super learners can absorb and retain new information faster than the average person. (or in-universe, how the Pillar Men master Japanese/English and other concepts simply from being super-humanly intelligent)

    • @Xman34washere
      @Xman34washere 2 года назад +147

      Or
      Or
      He just wrote "I know Italian"
      Damn
      I feel real smart now

    • @chronic-joker
      @chronic-joker 2 года назад +132

      @@Xman34washere which would be the insertion of new information.

    • @darkraimac
      @darkraimac 2 года назад +30

      @@Xman34washere 09:55

    • @dude135791000
      @dude135791000 2 года назад +29

      @@Xman34washere you're not

    • @R.O.T.C._SEEM
      @R.O.T.C._SEEM 2 года назад +12

      @@chronic-joker I mean he can wrote new information to override existing behavior like when he made him blind. Nothing was wrong with his eyes but the writing changed the way he received information in his brain regarding sight

  • @07Tussin
    @07Tussin 2 года назад +356

    red herring: *exists*
    these people: Why was he hiding and why was this not explained? 😧

    • @SnipingIsAGoodJobMate
      @SnipingIsAGoodJobMate 2 года назад +61

      WHY IS THE OLD MAN HIDING BY SITTING IN PLAIN VIEW!? OMG ARAKI IS BAD AT EVERYTHING!!!

    • @Anonymous-xq5cs
      @Anonymous-xq5cs 2 года назад +12

      no but fr jojo is the best, most complex, enjoyable, fun manga ever

    • @grimreaper1655
      @grimreaper1655 2 года назад

      Some people so dum

  • @VideosTediososNoCanal
    @VideosTediososNoCanal 2 года назад +82

    10:29 we may not forget that Rohan also traveled to Italy, and he did before kochi, so we can presume that he studied and learned Italian, making it easy to transmit his knowledge through heaven's door

  • @Mcl_Blue
    @Mcl_Blue 2 года назад +303

    Gotta love people that act all high and mighty and smug when stating incorrect information.

    • @M_Feitosa7
      @M_Feitosa7 2 года назад +33

      Yeah lol average jojo fan is like: "killer queen could have turned the floor into a bomb" "Killer queen could have used sheer heart attack against josuke"

    • @tikalthewhimsicott2736
      @tikalthewhimsicott2736 2 года назад +7

      Makes me sad that those kinds of people are in positions of power

    • @GalacticMoblin
      @GalacticMoblin Год назад +3

      The first one he pulls up is absolutely hilarious

    • @Akaeru
      @Akaeru Год назад +3

      Basically the Dunning Kruger effect in action

  • @n00bplayer72
    @n00bplayer72 2 года назад +155

    People really do seem to get hung up on the concept of a Bound Stand (stands that inhabit real, tangible objects/stands that work through real, tangible material) I always see comments wondering if non-Stand users see Yukako as bald, Superfly as invisible and Shizuka as not invisible.

    • @Stint45678
      @Stint45678 2 года назад +36

      or.... Half of Tonio's cooking.

    • @titanium6737
      @titanium6737 2 года назад +12

      Ah yes, I remember when I saw JoJo memes and I thought "hahaha, great these are memes, if not they wouldn't have sense as an argument 🤣" and look where I ended up, watching an extra part of debunking JoJo fans theories lmao

    • @justinjakeashton
      @justinjakeashton 2 года назад +16

      @@Stint45678 Invisible meatloaf.

    • @marsouinmalin5598
      @marsouinmalin5598 2 года назад +9

      Yeah, they're just "spirits possessing objects", like Chucky or Regan McNeil who are spirits inhabiting objects and/or humans, so everyone can see their vessel.

    • @tomruisseaux7795
      @tomruisseaux7795 Год назад +1

      And Secco as naked

  • @remixtheidiot5771
    @remixtheidiot5771 2 года назад +415

    Your explanation for Koichi learning Italian as him literally having anime subtitles is hilarious. This may or may not be the case, but that's my headcanon from now on.

    • @ariesdemiurge
      @ariesdemiurge 2 года назад +19

      I mean we are talkin' Rohan's stand here.

    • @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149
      @sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 2 года назад +58

      @@ariesdemiurge The only counterargument towards the anime subtitle theory is actually this precisely.
      Does it go against his honour as a mangaka to create what is essentially _dubbed anime?_ Did it cause him great pain to do so? Did he mutter complaints to himself about Jotaro's bad taste while doing it?

    • @sonetagu1337
      @sonetagu1337 2 года назад +4

      @@sirreginaldfishingtonxvii6149 he (rohan) forgor 💀
      This is very devastating 😭

    • @HappyDayZ0
      @HappyDayZ0 Год назад

      It doesn't make too much sense though, if he doesn't know Italian how could he hear it and know the Japanese equivalent?

    • @marianarodriguezrive
      @marianarodriguezrive Год назад +2

      @@HappyDayZ0 EXACTLY DAWG. Holy shit I feel like I’m going crazy. I really like this guy’s videos but a lot of the time he just ends up creating some bullshit reasoning to why it makes sense. Example, Koichi learning Italian.

  • @sleeperninja8923
    @sleeperninja8923 2 года назад +127

    13:30 This reminds me of the funniest debunking you did, in which Jotaro is told his stand name is The World before Avdol goes "OH shit, sorry this one's taken. Your stand is Star Platinum" and somehow people took this meme video as a canonical event.

    • @SubjectSigma18
      @SubjectSigma18 Год назад +39

      And thats how we know 3/5 of the jojo fandom have only watched jojo via memes or youtube videos

    • @neoqwerty
      @neoqwerty 4 месяца назад +2

      Also even IF that was real, the tarot is related to what it means for the user. The World is the card that symbolizes an accomplished goal. That's literally why Jotaro calls Star Platinum's time stop ability Star Platinum: The World. (Goes with The Star's meaning being a hopeful journey, too: with Star Platinum: The World, Jotaro's acknowledging that his journey was successfully completed.)
      (DIO's The World is inverted, coincidentally: the goal he wants is incomplete. Araki really gave everyone plot spoilers for tarot reading nerds just from the Stand names and which ones of them were enemies/inverted vs allies/upright)

  • @akunekochan
    @akunekochan 2 года назад +206

    the real Araki forgot was the friends we made along the way

  • @TheMigratedItalian
    @TheMigratedItalian 2 года назад +163

    me: "nice argument senator why dont you back it up with a source"
    misinformed jojo fan:"MY SOURCE IS THAT I MADE IT THE FUCK UP"

    • @sonetagu1337
      @sonetagu1337 2 года назад +7

      Oh my god somebody actually said that to me 💀

    • @CT-1118
      @CT-1118 Год назад +3

      @@sonetagu1337 Elaborate please, this sounds hilarious

  • @TBA968
    @TBA968 2 года назад +154

    2:56 its funny how the anime creates "Araki forgots" completely absent in the manga (another example would be Diavolo crushing the scorpion made by Golden Experience).

    • @mrreyes5004
      @mrreyes5004 2 года назад +28

      Honestly, a part of me thinks that the anime production team actually buys into a few of the invalid "Araki Forgots" and tried to fix what they thought were errors, only for it to turn out to not fix anything and in fact just cause more problems by unknowingly not sticking to the material.

    • @Ghiaman1334
      @Ghiaman1334 2 года назад +31

      So effectively, they're 'David Productions Forgot'

    • @leaffinite3828
      @leaffinite3828 Год назад +1

      Stuff like the scorpions doesnt bother me cuz its badass, lmao. And its not a huge deal since of course diavolo is immediately defeated anyway

  • @TerribleWarden
    @TerribleWarden 2 года назад +204

    One day Hamon Beat will snap and just curse out the entire Jojo fandom for being absolutely dense

    • @alpharius2omegaboogaloo384
      @alpharius2omegaboogaloo384 2 года назад +30

      Or at Araki for the mini horses. BUT SERIOUSLY WHAT THE FUCK ARE THEY! WHAT THE HELL ARAKI WHAT THE FUUUUCK!!!!

  • @enigmaperson4636
    @enigmaperson4636 2 года назад +559

    It’s always nice to have someone explain something in jojo that does know things and helps probably some of us understand it more

    • @danthegreat4053
      @danthegreat4053 2 года назад +6

      Hey its you

    • @woowoo1372
      @woowoo1372 10 месяцев назад +1

      "someone that does know things" you mean someone who has read the series?

  • @frontfacingjoe9235
    @frontfacingjoe9235 2 года назад +242

    Honestly watching these makes my day better because it reminds me that there are more stupid people than me out there.

  • @letsbetheawkwardkquorter7159
    @letsbetheawkwardkquorter7159 2 года назад +105

    I love the first guy, so high and mighty but so wrong. I see so many people make that same, "Araki is not a genius, so stop making him out to be," comment whenever I bring up how stupid the Araki forgot meme is. It baffles me how these people can claim fans are portraying Araki as a "genius" and that we should stop trying when it's simply a matter of looking surface level into the series. This information isn't buried behind interviews, or info books. It's shit the reader is told directly by the series, but it still flies so far above their heads.

    • @chronic-joker
      @chronic-joker 2 года назад +25

      just be glad it's not dragonball teir in terms of bad fandoms that can't process basic information at least hamon beats channel corrects and beats most of this stuff fast enough not to shape the fandom.
      if you want an example of how bad the db fandom is by comparison they unironicly think the abridged series can be used as a refreance in a debate and is a vailed source material and take on the characters and other people will defend them.
      they even think toriyama is functionally incapable of good writing and everything in z was has no intellect that's a terrible fandom.

    • @callmeaweeb4169
      @callmeaweeb4169 Год назад +14

      @@chronic-joker db abridged has done immeasurable and nigh permanent damage to the db community as a whole. It was funny growing up and seeing it but the abridged series has literally warped how some people view all db media.

    • @charlsondemong4922
      @charlsondemong4922 Год назад +8

      he even mentioned to "look through reddit"
      FUCKING *REDDIT*

    • @Akaeru
      @Akaeru Год назад +1

      @@charlsondemong4922 literally one of the most braindead of sites

  • @tobigrantlbart
    @tobigrantlbart 2 года назад +59

    What a fun Father-in-Law story:
    "Hey Johnny? Remember when you thought I tried to kill you just because I sat near the water?"

    • @jacobwansleeben3364
      @jacobwansleeben3364 3 месяца назад +1

      Reminds me of when my 'mother' thought I was going to kill my younger brother because I was standing outside of the bathroom while he was using the shower.

  • @vgamer4993
    @vgamer4993 2 года назад +89

    Every time I see a new installment of this series, I feel an overwhelming sense of, *“ah shit, here we go again.”*
    I think at this point I’m going to turn Joseph’s clackers into a drinking game.

  • @Angenano
    @Angenano 2 года назад +28

    12:20 'i saw in a roblox animation' and thats exactly why so much misinformation is present in the jojo fandom, people will literally look at a roblox animation and take it to heart. Fuck me.

  • @SaltExarch
    @SaltExarch 2 года назад +44

    Honestly, I think the "Stands are completely immune to everything but other Stands" is a general misconception stemming from people taking "only Stands can beat other Stands" waaay too literally. I always interpreted this statement as "only other Stands/Stand users who would be able to see a Stand would be able to take down a Stand directly". Like, sure, anyone could fight and damage a Stand with anything if they're solid, but imagine fighting a sometimes-intangible ghost you can't see with weird powers. Realistically a non-Stand user would have virtually no chance.

  • @mrreyes5004
    @mrreyes5004 2 года назад +89

    JoJo "fans": Norisuke was suspiciously hiding but it was never explained!
    Norisuke: **Literally just casually relaxing by a river until he got caught up in a Stand fight.**
    Man, some "fans" must have access to some good drugs to somehow think there are mistakes like this. Smh.

    • @alpharius2omegaboogaloo384
      @alpharius2omegaboogaloo384 2 года назад +1

      Bold of you to assume that the human mind needs drugs to be that stupid.

    • @Mortimer_RS
      @Mortimer_RS Год назад +4

      Literally a "Dumbledore said calmly" moment
      "He was hiding" *standing casually*

  • @NicksUniverseYT
    @NicksUniverseYT 2 года назад +78

    Ever since JJBA:ASBR got announced, I was so excited for all things JoJo. When this came out, I was STOKED

    • @kallixo
      @kallixo 2 года назад

      what's jjba:asbr

    • @jozeflee5571
      @jozeflee5571 2 года назад

      @@kallixo new playstation fighting game

    • @leetri
      @leetri 2 года назад +10

      @@kallixo JJBA: All-Star Battle R. It's a remake of the 2013 Playstation game with new content, anime voice actors and colours, and more. This time the game will be on PC and Switch as well, so it's no longer Playstation exclusive.

    • @Stint45678
      @Stint45678 2 года назад

      @@leetri Is it out yet?

    • @leetri
      @leetri 2 года назад +1

      @@Stint45678 "Fall 2022", whatever that's supposed to be. Probably like November, that's usually when games come out.

  • @zoiwill123
    @zoiwill123 2 года назад +55

    Rohan most likely just wrote "X word in Japanese is Y in Italian" for several words on Koichi, basically giving Koichi a "translation dictionary" inside his brain. Which wouldn't break Heaven Door's logic.

    • @Xenunnaki
      @Xenunnaki 2 года назад +32

      It's important to consider that Italian is a language that both Rohan and Koichi would have access to, Rohan probably even has a book for it in his library since he's been shown to travel abroad, it's not some mysterious information they're trying to discover like Kira's identity.

    • @motorcycleman115
      @motorcycleman115 2 года назад +16

      Maybe he wrote in Koichi that he's really good at learning new languages

    • @self-proclaimedanimator
      @self-proclaimedanimator 2 года назад +9

      Man or Rohan just Taught Kochi
      Italian
      Italian ain't that hard even I am learning it

    • @thewafflepan4538
      @thewafflepan4538 2 года назад +2

      Koichi also had two years to learn it (specific dates not withstanding)

    • @leaffinite3828
      @leaffinite3828 Год назад +3

      He could just write "koichi will remember any italian translations correctly" and then have him read and italian-japanese translation book

  • @higginswalsan
    @higginswalsan 2 года назад +62

    It absolutely amazes me how incapable some people are of thinking. Like just straight they cannot think. I know a guy personally who’s bought into many of these Araki forgots that literally just require thinking

    • @najadamu2724
      @najadamu2724 2 года назад +13

      I think there are a lot of people who just weren't taught proper reading comprehension in school.

    • @higginswalsan
      @higginswalsan 2 года назад +11

      @@najadamu2724 Based on my school experience, a lot of them just refused to learn.

  • @Nagasakevideo
    @Nagasakevideo 2 года назад +28

    People talk about koichi's family not getting a stand, and seem to forget that he wasn't even meant to have one. He would have died if Josuke didn't save him, and he really cheated the system. I always assumed that, because he wasn't destined to get a stand that's the reason why his stand changes so much while most other people stay the same, because the psychic energy is trying to take form without any blueprint to work off of.

    • @willropa4226
      @willropa4226 20 дней назад

      Weeeell, Hamon Beat does clear this scene up in another video. Koichi was worthy of a stand, why he was dying was because of the arrow shot into his throat, any way you slice that it's a pretty deadly wound, it'd be pretty amazing if someone could walk that off without help (Which does make me wonder how Kira managed to do that . . . huh). You are right though in Reverb/Echoes' evolutions, stands embody a person's will and fighting spirit, Koichi in the beginning was fairly meek, leaving Reverb not a lot to go off of, but at the end he was kicking butt and taking names, giving Reverb enough juice to evolve 3 times.

  • @chronic-joker
    @chronic-joker 2 года назад +50

    the Italian language bit would make more sense as Rohan simply writing the entire Italian to Japanese dictionary into koichi, or him just writing all of his own Italian into him since rohan does seem to be able to understand it himself if we use the these spoke series as examples of him already knowing the language.

    • @awkwardcultism
      @awkwardcultism 2 года назад +12

      This doesn't make sense to me, a dictionary is ridiculously long and memorizing it won't let you speak Italian on its own.
      It seems much more likely to me that he wrote something like "Learns languages very quickly" and had Koichi study Italian for a short period of time.

    • @chronic-joker
      @chronic-joker 2 года назад +6

      @@awkwardcultism rohan can write very fast it would only take a few hours for someone like him to do something like that.

    • @Faith_Pride
      @Faith_Pride 2 года назад +32

      @@awkwardcultism Rohan kept up with the deadlines while MiH was active

  • @goji8755
    @goji8755 2 года назад +87

    It’s always a good day when hamon beat uploads

    • @Amphobossztbg
      @Amphobossztbg 2 года назад

      Facts

    • @DarkOminigiri
      @DarkOminigiri 2 года назад

      Amen

    • @svsmlegends702
      @svsmlegends702 2 года назад +3

      Insert the one meme of the guy in pajamas then the suit, wedding day:hamon beat video

    • @ayat5105
      @ayat5105 2 года назад

      Not true, its always a good week

  • @cedevita-sensei1852
    @cedevita-sensei1852 2 года назад +22

    Regarding on how Kira knew about Cinderella's saloon:
    in the fight agains Jotaro and Koichi it is clearly shown that Kira is well informed and has done his reaserch regarding the other stand users in morioh and their abilities. (for example he knew crazy diamond could heal)
    So I think its reasonable to assume he reaserched and knew about Cinderella and her ability as well.

    • @96Vladek
      @96Vladek 8 месяцев назад

      Not only that, he directly taunts Koichi during this arc, asking if he would call Yukako or Aya for help.

  • @kamiloalvarez5800
    @kamiloalvarez5800 2 года назад +24

    "please do look through reddit first to mention all araki´s fails"
    "R E D D I T"

    • @Iron_Gov
      @Iron_Gov Год назад +3

      Bro of course the guy stating that someone else is so obviously wrong with complete confidence uses reddit as a source

  • @kwebvin9939
    @kwebvin9939 2 года назад +13

    6:26 And even if Joseph was interested of that fact Joseph's hand is stuck on Kars's throat, which means we'll be retrieving the ultimate lifeform, which would be BAD

  • @skarletsimp
    @skarletsimp 2 года назад +95

    I can’t believe that there’s a part four 😳

    • @CrustyFox87
      @CrustyFox87 2 года назад +22

      Mista ain't gona like that
      (I misspelled "gonna" on purpose)

    • @skarletsimp
      @skarletsimp 2 года назад +3

      @@CrustyFox87 😂

    • @C4puch
      @C4puch 2 года назад +5

      When I saw this in my notification i audibly laughed thinking about how stupid jojo fans are

    • @nicko4546
      @nicko4546 2 года назад +2

      Part 847493947 gonna come out cus all hamon beat does is to make his whole RUclips channel base around 3 of shucks vidoes

    • @robertlupa8273
      @robertlupa8273 2 года назад +6

      JoJo anime: _part X never_
      JoJo Debunking Araki Forgot: _part X soon_

  • @-frost-3425
    @-frost-3425 2 года назад +24

    I'd love a "Jojo information" for the 1st of April where you actually just say random things with no real facts

  • @adampelletier7102
    @adampelletier7102 2 года назад +123

    A deep dive on all the mechanics of Hamon would be interesting. Though also curious on how the crossbow bolt carried Joesph's Hamon, though I'm probably just misremembering and it's a wooden bolt.

    • @brokenursa9986
      @brokenursa9986 2 года назад +30

      We see Joseph earlier in that fight coating a hammer with oil so it will channel and retain Hamon. He probably just coated the crossbow ball with oil offscreen.

    • @R.O.T.C._SEEM
      @R.O.T.C._SEEM 2 года назад +15

      It wasn't a arrow but a steel ball with oil on it. It carried ac small trace of Hamon in it

    • @chronic-joker
      @chronic-joker 2 года назад +3

      it didn't really have hamon it just hit really hard.

    • @hyperdarktoonlink
      @hyperdarktoonlink 2 года назад +2

      @@ironicjason257 Cars said to Lisa Lisa: "...they are heavy enough to damage Wamu"

    • @BygoneT
      @BygoneT 2 года назад +1

      @@hyperdarktoonlink Kars also isn't able to notice Joseph's tricks, so it's not surprising he couldn't see Joseph used hamon with oil on the steel ball. The anime shows the hole in Wamoo's torso pretty well and it's a hamon wound, Kars was simply thinking Joseph didn't do anything strange to the ball so the weight was the only menace in his mind.

  • @agoosewithaphone7102
    @agoosewithaphone7102 2 года назад +39

    For the Koichi thing, it's also worth noting that he was never supposed to get a Stand in the first place and would have just died if not for Josuke, so that probably had some bearing on his family members not awakening Stand powers.

  • @sausagethegodofcurry
    @sausagethegodofcurry 2 года назад +15

    I can just picture Josuke punching Joseph's hand with crazy diamond, and suddenly a fucking skeleton hand flies onto him. Like, oh wow, i got my long dead rotten skeleton hand back that's useful. Let's go fight Kira.

  • @eboloid3192
    @eboloid3192 2 года назад +8

    "You need prolonged contact to conduct hamon trough metal"
    Random dude: "Hmm I see, so metal doesn't conduct Hamon"

  • @papabones8753
    @papabones8753 2 года назад +22

    The "Koichi learning Italien" could also be that Heaven's Door evolved, it did have an A in developmental potential. Just something I'd like to point out: Stands do improve, I would guess HD could increase its ability to affect more stuff.

  • @cobaltprime9467
    @cobaltprime9467 2 года назад +68

    4:45 Also, I think it’s because they’re descended from Jonathan. Koichi’s family isn’t. If Koichi got his stand when he’s older and had kids, they would likely get Stands. But not any nieces or nephews he would have through his sister.
    But yeah the Jostars are already special.
    12:20 How can no one understand this? It’s told to us. Hmmm perfect sphere dents in the rock? This Italian dude uses a steel ball like a gunslinger. Nah couldn’t be related.

    • @Hamon_Beat
      @Hamon_Beat  2 года назад +89

      Weather and Pucci both got stands through this method and they are not descendants. The difference comes from the psychic link.

    • @cobaltprime9467
      @cobaltprime9467 2 года назад +14

      @@Hamon_Beat forgot about that never mind

    • @kevdaman7371
      @kevdaman7371 2 года назад +3

      wait the whole all the joestars got a stand stick, didn't that happen cause of the distress signal from jonathan's body? oh dear it sounds like i'm making stuff up

    • @QuietBorb
      @QuietBorb 2 года назад +4

      @@kevdaman7371 yes
      that "distress signal" is the joestar's psychic tomfuckery

    • @iamthecheese6333
      @iamthecheese6333 2 года назад +3

      In the case of Weather and Pucci, I think its because they are twins that gives them a special link since they are suppose to mirror one another, even if they aren't identical.

  • @HayatoStarGod
    @HayatoStarGod 2 года назад +8

    "And that's all the new Araki Forgots topics for now"
    Famous last words

  • @puppieslovies
    @puppieslovies 2 года назад +17

    I believe Araki make Koichi's Italian speaking intentionally vague. I think the stand shouldn't be able to auto translate every language, since that would probably introduce new information and you could argue that Rohan would then also be able to manipulate it into giving unknown locations as well
    One very possible explanation is that Rohan could simply copy his own memory of the language into Koichi, or even take someone else's, as the stand was introduced with that ability specifically.

  • @kenji6492
    @kenji6492 2 года назад +13

    Rohan probably wrote: Koichi is a prodigy at learning Italian.
    This would let him pick up the language super quickly without inventing new information from nothing.

  • @thepersonwithnoname3326
    @thepersonwithnoname3326 2 года назад +14

    I love these DAF (debunking Araki forgot) videos, please keep doing these.

  • @KuonilerariLoufanwald
    @KuonilerariLoufanwald 2 года назад +9

    Why didn't Rohan use Heaven's Door to read Jotaro's mind to find out why he didn't use Star Finger

  • @OtakuUnitedStudio
    @OtakuUnitedStudio 10 месяцев назад +3

    "Even if it were possible, I don't think Joseph would be all that interested in being healed, since he seems to enjoy having a cool robot hand to begin with."
    I am pretty sure the overwhelming majority of Jojo fans would ALSO enjoy having a cool robot hand, so it utterly baffles me that they never thought of this possibility.

  • @umihoshi2595
    @umihoshi2595 Год назад +4

    3:19 Dio himself mentions at the end of PB that it was because he acknowledged Jonathan. In his own twisted way, he was paying his respects to Jonathan by choosing his body as the one most worthy to replace his own.

  • @CadeDubsOG
    @CadeDubsOG 2 года назад +7

    4:40 That's like why non-stand users could see Strength, it's not the stand itself but a physical object (a fighing boat) that was affected/modified by the stand. Ghiacco and Secco weren't running around naked either, even though that'd have been hilarious.

  • @sachyas
    @sachyas 2 года назад +9

    to add to that rohan part, in the anime koichi had no clue why josuke was so pissed when people insulted his hair, and it was shown to be *new* information that he learned after josuke kicked his ass. rohan himself states this. it isn't possible for heaven's door to just write or implant something wholly new into a person. if rohan wrote " koichi knows why josuke gets pissed when his hair is insulted " it clearly wouldn't have worked. it's new information, and as stated & shown, he's unable to do that.

  • @janaxelblomberg7768
    @janaxelblomberg7768 2 года назад +13

    You should make a series around times that “DP forgot”, where scenes were either left out or altered which made inconsistencies in the anime, leading to people making up Araki Forgot moments because they’re too illiterate or lazy to read the manga

    • @0Chino13
      @0Chino13 2 года назад

      Guess this is a fan forgot, check the videos called "anime differences" or something

    • @allahachu
      @allahachu 2 года назад +1

      oh no! i guess i'm illiterate and lazy for actually appreciating the soundtrack, sound effects, voice acting, consistent colors, the animation itself, the visuals, a better understanding of king crimson's ability, etc provided to me by the anime unlike the manga!

    • @leaffinite3828
      @leaffinite3828 Год назад

      ​@Grobar yeah but if, hypothetically, you saw something incorrect in the anime itd take at most like 5 minutes to check the manga or ask about it online instead of just assuming its a fact and complaining about it

  • @StephenDurnan
    @StephenDurnan Год назад +4

    12:17 "I saw it in a Roblox part 7 animation"
    Bro💀💀💀

  • @TheDigitalApple
    @TheDigitalApple 2 года назад +12

    Harmon Beat can write a full novel about disproving Araki forgots!

    • @HayatoStarGod
      @HayatoStarGod 2 года назад +2

      Hamon Beat will write his scientific article after getting his JoJo PhD

  • @emilianoj1591
    @emilianoj1591 2 года назад +5

    A topic I saw no one talk about: the religious symbolism and themes of Part 5. There are a lot of them, like a lot

  • @AnarchoCatBoyEthan
    @AnarchoCatBoyEthan 3 месяца назад

    I appreciate you structuring these videos in a way that allows me to watch them without entirely spoiling the rest of the manga for me. I’m almost done with Stone Ocean, and then i think i’ll start reading the manga.

  • @ValentinNeacsu99
    @ValentinNeacsu99 2 года назад +9

    I think some people just look at the pictures and dont read the manga

  • @fields_of_regret
    @fields_of_regret 2 года назад +11

    Man the one about the holes in part 7 is just baffling holy shit, I think the people who asked didn't pay attention or didn't remember right but then didn't want to read again I guess?

    • @Stint45678
      @Stint45678 2 года назад

      To be fair, part 7 makes me lose around 69% of my brain cell.

    • @grimreaper1655
      @grimreaper1655 2 года назад

      Fr whoever typed that mad stupid

  • @CLAYTERRACOTTA
    @CLAYTERRACOTTA 2 года назад +2

    It will never cease to amaze me how Hamon Beat had enough material to make FOUR of these. I wanna bet real money the Araki Forgot Extras series will end up being longer than Araki Forgot.

  • @ankylo5550
    @ankylo5550 2 года назад

    Gosh I'm so glad I was here for the release of one of these these are so great

  • @projekttaku1
    @projekttaku1 2 года назад +3

    Also about naoko. Her soul wasn't completely gone, as her pages still had her memories, even if they were fading. And it is shown that if someone's soul is still barely clinging on, they can be brought back, like joseph in part 3 with SP, hayato with crazy diamond, and bruno with gold experience. The thing a stand can't bring back to life is a soul, which is why josuke couldn't revive his grandfather, because his soul passed on already, and crazy diamond can't restore souls. The only stand that slightly bends this rule is limp bizkit, but that just implants soul energy into things, like gold experience.

  • @ddragonvic
    @ddragonvic 2 года назад +10

    10:12 I do see the validity in your chosen case here, but the reasoning you chose does put emphasis on heaven's door bending reality around koichi's speaking when a more mundane 'I asked Rohan to make it so that I can...' could be koichi asking rohan to write an ease of understanding of the language, letting koichi learn it himself faster. Stand's are shown to be limited a bit by the mental state of the user, so maybe Rohan's integrity as an author limits him inventing things in that would be fully improbable.

  • @Dannyillo962
    @Dannyillo962 2 года назад +1

    I love how informative these videos are, but I also love how hard you roast people lol

  • @adambarber8049
    @adambarber8049 2 года назад

    great video once again. not surprised at all. Always puts a smile on my face when any jojo video gets posted!

  • @pastaman7278
    @pastaman7278 2 года назад +5

    I feel like it would be funny, if koichi came back to Morioh and no one understood him since he was speaking Italian

  • @syouji185
    @syouji185 Год назад +4

    12:20 "Source?" "I found it in a Roblox animation" 💀

  • @Goodafternoongoodeveningandgn
    @Goodafternoongoodeveningandgn 2 года назад

    I’m so glad you made this series

  • @uncannychmkn8188
    @uncannychmkn8188 2 года назад +2

    I did not expect this, but I am not disappointed

  • @EmmaBonn96
    @EmmaBonn96 2 года назад +4

    10:34
    So Koichi was watching the Japanese dub

  • @barneyeldinosaurio740
    @barneyeldinosaurio740 2 года назад +3

    10:25 *It's also worth noting that Rohan Himself can speak and write italian, So it isn't an unknown information. Knowledge anyways.*

  • @pikminman13
    @pikminman13 2 года назад +1

    I'm somewhat grateful for all of these questions, if anything it exposes the care Araki put into making this to leave no stone unturned and have it all match up no matter how weird or unnecessary it is.

  • @sagacious03
    @sagacious03 2 года назад

    Neat analysis video! Thanks for uploading!

  • @silverslayer6262
    @silverslayer6262 2 года назад +8

    13:34 Or the fans forgetting to carefully read the manga. (Really, some of the misconceptions are debunked in a single piece of dialogue that’s apparently only in the manga)

  • @TheMangakid1995
    @TheMangakid1995 2 года назад +6

    Alternate plausible explanation for Koichi learning a new language: Rohan spent several hours painstakingly writing the entire contents of a Japanese to Italian dictionary in Koichi because he likes him that much and he wanted him to have fun on vacation.

    • @kevdaman7371
      @kevdaman7371 2 года назад +1

      that sounds like actual torture

    • @TheMangakid1995
      @TheMangakid1995 2 года назад +1

      @@kevdaman7371 For Koichi or Rohan? lol Maybe he could just glue the pages straight from the book into Koichi and save time that way lol

    • @SubjectSigma18
      @SubjectSigma18 2 года назад

      @@kevdaman7371 rohan*

  • @jrs4753
    @jrs4753 Год назад +2

    7:44 "Bro, I found this rusty arow outside. I'm gonna stab myself with it. Maybe something good will happen"

  • @Xenunnaki
    @Xenunnaki 2 года назад +5

    Misinformation: Star Platinum is the ghost of Jonathan, and Stone Free is the ghost of Kakyoin

    • @z-v-x8324
      @z-v-x8324 2 года назад +3

      That just sounds like someone's headcanon they spread around like fact

    • @Voc_spooksauce
      @Voc_spooksauce 2 года назад

      The only similarity i can see with Kakyoin are the strings, but he has 0 relations to the Joestars, how would that be a thing ?
      The Jonathan one at least has the fact he is a Joestar to back it up, even tho it's not the case

    • @Xenunnaki
      @Xenunnaki 2 года назад

      @@Voc_spooksauce I see people point out the sunglasses even though they're different, as well as how the metal strips on the face pass down through each eye, matching the scars given to Kakyoin by Geb.

  • @jakehutson6158
    @jakehutson6158 2 года назад +4

    Hallelujah! An episode where no one brings up the godforsaken clackers!!!

  • @cerberos1
    @cerberos1 2 года назад +3

    For heaven's door I think he can't write "I know the location of Kira" but he can write "I know Kira is at this restaurant" or something like that
    Basically he can put thought in people's minds but he can't create them out of nowhere

    So for Koichi he probably wrote actual Italian words in him and their translation

    • @futurestrongestman
      @futurestrongestman 2 года назад +2

      Nah, he most likely gave koichi the ability to learn italian quickly. Either that, or he gave koichi a very fast learning speed.

  • @silversonome5360
    @silversonome5360 2 года назад +2

    I think the bloodline-stands have a way easier answer here. When Dio was pierced by the arrow, all of Jonathan's *descendants* were granted a stand. Koichi, a teenage boy, doesn't have any descendants, so his bloodline has no psychic potential emanating and resonating from him

  • @Mandudjbx2650
    @Mandudjbx2650 2 года назад

    Been waiting for this thnx so much

  • @it6647
    @it6647 Год назад +3

    0:48-Hamon's limitations
    1:57-Part 2 vampires
    2:40-Kars' ankle blades
    3:07-WHY didn't DIO take Jonathan's body in particular
    3:48-Nijimura's father's transmutation
    4:32-Aqua necklace's visibility
    5:11-Family members getting stands through arrows
    5:59-WHY didn't Josuke fix Joseph's hand
    6:30-How did Kira know about Æa
    7:04-Tracking Kira's fingerprints
    7:43-Using arrows on Morioh folks
    8:42-Using Heaven's door to find Josuke's cheat
    9:03-Using Enigma again
    9:30-Using Heaven's Door to locate Kira
    10:41-TSKR Naoko's daughter revival
    11:17-Stand-Object interaction
    12:00-SBR's GYRo's holes in rock
    12:42-Norisuke in a silent wæ

  • @kujojotarostandoceanman2641
    @kujojotarostandoceanman2641 2 года назад +3

    For every Araki forgot video, Hamon Beat lose a part of trust with humanity

  • @Tokio2425
    @Tokio2425 2 года назад +1

    Dear God this is the only series on RUclips I simultaneously love watching and want to end as soon as possible. JUST READ THE SHIT PEOPLE

  • @MilkJugA_
    @MilkJugA_ 2 года назад +2

    Kars' ankleblade was a close call.

  • @lukesapotao8259
    @lukesapotao8259 2 года назад +4

    I'm still waiting for someone saying that Speedwagon mentioning Florence Nightingale in the english dub of part 1 is a dropped plotpoint and araki forgot placing her in subsequent parts

  • @zombieman998
    @zombieman998 2 года назад +5

    have you considered adding chapters to your Debunking Araki Forgot videos that describe and timestamp each individual topic? might help people to skim through them for topics to see if they've been covered or not. i don't know how hard those are to add, and i'm sure you'd get plenty of repeat suggestions anyway, but i figured i'd suggest that since people probably don't want to watch or rewatch every video before making a suggestion.

  • @chocoliatte9385
    @chocoliatte9385 2 года назад +1

    Josuke: oop, i accidentally touched ur arm. my bad.
    Joseph: YOU WHAT?!
    Kars: howdy

  • @oriandra9234
    @oriandra9234 2 года назад

    Amazing video as per usual keep it up :)

  • @IPODsify
    @IPODsify 2 года назад +4

    Don't know why so many people think stands are immune to physical damage, did you forget that mista's bullets are just normal bullets?

  • @BearWith_You
    @BearWith_You 2 года назад +4

    I always hate when people point out Jotaro saying no Stand can bring back the dead. Jotaro is one guy who hardly knows EVERY Stand. What if Jotaro is just wrong?

  • @holehorse6838
    @holehorse6838 2 года назад +2

    Hi I am from 2080. Just saying huge fan of the series on espically debunking araki forgot extras part 80

  • @LEONOX233
    @LEONOX233 2 года назад +2

    About Hamon, water itself is also a good conductor for hamon, as Jonathan explains when he unleashes the Turquoise Overdrive, what is explained again when Caesar and Joseph create the rope out of falling ice spikes by conducting hamon in the water between the spikes.
    That is also shown when multiple characters are able to walk on water by creating ripples or manipulate its shape with their fingers, like in Loggins and Messina introduction.
    And lastly, humans are able to channel hamon bc of their bloodstream that is mostly water, and as all life forms have a considerate ammount of water in their composition, that's what makes organic materials like the rose a good conductor for hamon in the first place.
    And bc it's the JoJo fandom "why Joseup used oil instead of water if it's so good of a conductor?" well, Idk but if you try to coat something with water it tends to dry up rather quickly, so it would be shit to make something retain the charge for a long period of time, unlike the oil.

  • @singletona082
    @singletona082 2 года назад +3

    OK. Now..
    'things that Araki could have done better.'

  • @Satepin
    @Satepin 2 года назад +4

    Why did Avdol's dad disappear when Avdol came back

    • @rslashwooosh4964
      @rslashwooosh4964 2 года назад +2

      He died

    • @noirody6256
      @noirody6256 2 года назад

      nah he was just in the house with his chickens

    • @bruhford3954
      @bruhford3954 2 года назад

      Bruh they literally said avdol's dad is just avdol in disguise post judgement fight

    • @Satepin
      @Satepin 2 года назад +1

      @@bruhford3954 see that's the joke

    • @SubjectSigma18
      @SubjectSigma18 Год назад

      He went to buy milk

  • @markokovacevic7044
    @markokovacevic7044 2 года назад

    Man i cant belie theres 4 parts ha ha hopefully we get some more love these vids

  • @TheKoriKasai
    @TheKoriKasai 2 года назад

    Can't wait to see part five XD

  • @RedLogicYT
    @RedLogicYT 2 года назад +3

    Everyone:
    "I still don't understand. What about [insert thing]?"
    Hamon Beat:
    "This is exactly what I've been talking about. Clearly this person has never watched a single second of the anime or read any of the manga. They probably haven't even played the official games or even the roblox games. You shouldn't talk about something you know have no knowledge of."
    Everyone who actually did watch & read it, but have trouble understanding it:
    *Pain*

  • @elijahstubel5288
    @elijahstubel5288 2 года назад +3

    Fans point out that Rohan could’ve wrote an entire dictionary into Koichi, but that would never explain Koichi understanding the grammar, pronunciation, and possibly slang of Italian. So it’s far more likely that he wrote “learns languages extremely quickly and efficiently” into Koichi.

  • @Beanieboi298
    @Beanieboi298 2 года назад +1

    I love that you are so unapologetic. Like “listen here you fool”

  • @comfyghost
    @comfyghost 2 года назад +1

    a thing to note about the line where koichi says he asked rohan to make it so he could speak italian, it's actually cut off at the word can, including in the official translation, so we have reason to believe he was going to say something specific that rohan did, but realised he was talking to someone who likely didn't know what stands are, and should probably cut himself off