Debunking Araki Forgot Extras 6
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Could you explain if there is a possibility of any correlation between Star Platinum's speed (faster than light) and its ability to stop time?
@Hamon Beat
Araki forgot that Jotaro can travel faster when using Star Platinum. He did that when fight Dio and looking for N'Doul. Jotaro could have use Star Platinum to move faster and chase down Kira. Kira wasn't able to move fast, so Jotaro could have catch up.
what was that force field that protected pucci and c-moon when stone free tries to punch them? I really don't remember seeing this in the manga.
@Hamon Beat
Araki forgot that Star Platinum can punch at light speed. Kira and Pucci shouldn't be able to react to light speed attack. Jotaro should have won in those battles.
Something that I didn´t get in the last third of Jojolion was how did Tooru know that (kid) Yasuho had Paisley Park (or at least, an ability that could help him).
Hamon Beat having to explain for the 968235th time that Polnareff got the Stand Arrow from Egypt and not from the village : 💀
As a non-regular of this channel i'm surprised how common this topic appears.
Half the misconceptions are debunked by the scenes themselves when you just read the text, but people dont do that and chose to ask for debunking it
Ikr, it's hilarious to think Polnareff would have randomly found the arrow stuck behind a furniture in a random secluded village in Italy lmaao
@@marleonka. jojo fans reading challenge(impossible)
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I think a lot of people don't understand the term "blind". It's always portrayed in media as the utmost extreme of no vision whatsoever, but there are plenty of people who are Legally Blind, in which case their vision is so bad they can practically not see, the perfect example being that she held the image right up to her eyes
Exactly. The amount of legally blind people who really cannot see anything is incredibly low. Most have at least some light perception.
But wasn't it shown in the arc introducing Daiya that she was so blind she wasn't able to notice Josuke turning off the light in the room?
@Spaceboy Digital Not to be an asshole but please fix your spelling lol
Ironic, considering most of the people featured here have proven that they're blind, since they can't read the basic facts that happen in the series
Not only blindness but also other disabilities. Like assuming a physical disability must be visible, or that a person must have issues all the time (for example: using a wheelchair but being able to walk).
"As you can see, Johnny is on the horse" killed me
10:20 - Not to mention that Polpo even states that there's a possibility of Giorno having managed to not need to relight the lighter at all. So people have been able to pass the test without gaining a Stand. It's probably not a very high percentage but still an existing one.
he wants or people that can do as asked or stand users so its the perfect test
I'm not sure leaky is smart enough to manage that...
@@spectralspooky leaky seems like a very loyal follower of a moral code of respect between the organization, and a determination to what he think is needed to do, i really think he would get a stand if he got the arrow but i think he got lucky or got into the polpo gang before the hard test, be mindful, polpo already has all positions covered so it makes sense that now is wheeding out scum from the newcomers
@@spectralspooky It's a simple test though, just put the lighter in a oxygen-filled room and keep an eye on it. The thing is many wishing to be gangsters may just put it out or (rightfully) not trust a mob boss to keep his word, believing he was tricking them. It serves as both a loyalty test AND a stand-chance test, either or being a good thing for being part of that gang.
And even said the test could be easily passed by either you already knew the police very well or you just bribe them, it's not actually that hard it's just that Giorno assumef the cops were already tasked in knowing about the test that's what brought him the trouble
At this point, I’m sure you can call these “explaining random facts about the story of JoJo in no specific order”
the title is clever tho but yeah man so many facts
@@UnrebornMortuus I understand why the title is like this, because it’s not wrong, people will find ways to argue about the slightest of things. I’m just joking how it’s to the point that if you remove the comments, you can easily call them Random Jojo facts.
@@Predator20357 not to mention make Hamon Beat not sound like an asshole
That's actually a very fitting title for this series lol
@@lpmatthews7387 I disagree that the title makes him sound like an asshole as it’s literally what the video is about, I’m just joking how it ended up with people bringing up the most obscure things to talk about.
I love how done he sounds in certain explanations
My favourite example of this is when he said “this person doesn’t seem to know how a fridge works” in one video
You mean like a smartass?
@@nicemanfred0928 What video was it? That sounds fucking hillarious
The part 6 video especially. Jesus Christ, people are dumb.
@@poptartninjapart 5 video I think
For the mikitaka part, I feel like Rohan would also be too proud to use heaven's door on him. He wanted him to admit if he was lying or not, similar to the dice game with josuke. He could have easily found the truth about josuke cheating with heaven's door, but he didnt
Oh wait Don’t forget the Rock Paper Scissors
And also that one time with Cheap Trick, he had to trick him into showing his back
Also, in Cheap Trick he could've just used Heaven's Door to make the guy show his back to him, but Rohan likes satisfaction from figuring out stuff on his own if he thinks he can
Shit, someone beat me to it.
If I had a nickel for every time a community saw a wasted opportunity to use their main ability and said it was a mistake by the creator when really it’s just because of their personality, I’d have 2 nickels. Wich isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice
“As you have probably noticed, he is on a horse.”
Another quote/moment to add to the other hilarious ones this series has produced. Though not quite as iconic as HB explaining how a refrigerator works.
Or the time HB explained that a *dead* animal is no longer alive.
@@mrreyes5004 "You see, at one point there were these mystical artifacts called phone books."
Hamon Beat listing every visible Stand in the series was the best
Or that Alt Diego had The World and wouldn't have to carry his own horse.
On a whole horse
Someone, get this man a PhD in Jojology already. He deserves it.
We must have a ceremony
FACTS
I’ve always said he’s the Cybershell of Jojo’s.
Seconded
if Jonolpgy was a discipline,hamon beat would be the teacher
When I am in a poor reading comprehension competition and my opponent is a Jojo fan
Even the reading comprehension devil can't compete.
I dont even know why its such a big problem for JoJo, maybe because it has been running for such a long time...
@@CODA96 JoJo is very complicated to understand sometimes tbh but people always seem to fumble on the simplest things or things that are explained later
@@shakkoryu In the later seasons its complicated, but people literally choke at the tiniest things in Part 1+2. Just like in the video ''Why can Johnny use rotation when hes not on a horse?''
''As you can see, he is on a horse'' - lol.
@@CODA96 yeah I think some may be trolling but given how dumb some people are is hard to tell
can't stop laughing at 19:33
"Johnny's not on a horse!"
*manga panel clearly showing horse*
I honestly never even thought of comparing the combination of pucci and the green baby to josefumi and kira
Its silly
@@EXFrost Exactly. The Green Baby-Pucci fusion is a specific step of a complicated process, while the Josefumi-Kira fusion was a random thing with no organized intent.
same lol
I've heard some people claim that parts 1 through 6 were undone completely because the world without Pucci was also one without Dio because he was the green bahbee
I suspect people miss simple details, like Johnny being on his horse to use the Golden Rotation in Part 8, because most people have a tendency to just read the speech bubbles in a panel as opposed to taking in the whole panel, or at least they don't take the time to appreciate the panel. It's a problem I had for a while getting back into reading manga until I remembered it's not a novel and half of the story takes place in the pretty pictures.
Well seeing comments like DIO's knifes I think people don't even read the speech bubbles either
I think its a bunch of kids that saw Jojo's get popular with the part 5 anime who now want to avoid "missing out" and speedread/read the wiki to get current.
@@crystalalumina lmao, they don’t even look at it, they just listen to the audio
This + probably a lot of people just search "Jojolion/ Jojo part 7 reading" and probably don't even bother reading the panels displayed and let whoever reads it to hopefully resume well. Been a little guilty of that myself but at least had went back and read Jojolion well.
I thought Johnny only even needed to be on his horse when he first used act 4 cause later it shows act 4 when Johnny is on the boat at the end of part 7
8:02 what are you talking about? Kira was very clearly using his face to block star platinum’s punch’s! Might I say, it was a very impressive strategy on his part
What if he had damaged an important organ? Better to use his head, which is empty
I’d also say for Kars that he respected things that he couldn’t do himself, like he respected the flower for being able to do photosynthesis and the dog for I guess being able to smell better. Whatever it was the point is that they could do things he couldn’t, so he respected them. But when he became the ultimate life form, he could do everything they did but 10x better, so he didn’t have anymore respect for them.
yes thats also how i interpeted it.
I was about to comment the exact same thing.
Very well explained 👍
That's pretty much it, yeah. The entire point of Kars' journey is that he wants to become perfect (biologically). As a Pillar Man, he knows that he is more powerful than other lifeforms, but Kars also knows that he still isn't a perfect being. So Kars protected the flowers and the dog because he wasn't sure if he was better than them yet. But after becoming the Ultimate Lifeform, Kars knew for a fact that he IS better than all of them, and asserted that blatantly.
No, it's not because he has a better nose, it's because the dog can be the goodest boi.
@@ICTON123 Put Kars in a skirt and he becomes my goodest boy
I think the "Why didn't Joseph use Hermit Purple on D'arby" question is more about "Why did they bother playing with D'arby when Joseph could've used Hermit Purple?"
The answer is that they didn't know D'arby was DIO's minion until after Polnareff lost his soul, and thus they now had to play to try and get Polnareff back.
Edit: and, you know, Joseph wouldn't do that to an innocent person.
There's also the fact that they would have to drag D'arby over to a TV to read his mind, which would be super awkward and weird due to being in public where absolutely everyone could see them.
@@mrreyes5004 If they did try doing that, they'd have to fight all of D'Arby's lackeys in the bar.
@@justinjakeashton they'd probably win
@@livekazumareaction They would. They'd be attracting unwanted attention though like how Joseph is wanted for murder somewhere in the Middle East.
@@justinjakeashton Well they could just use his most famous technique
This series humors me since it just comes down to people making stuff up, not understanding the source material, or just not paying attention to something laid out but I highly respect you for continuing this far, I'd lose my mind owning a series like this
Why are Jojo fans like this
@@atomu27 they watch for the memes not for the core beauty of it
its mostly the fans themselves just fogetting which makes it even more ironic
@@Dösewichte what about me? i didnt watch for the memes, i watch it because of touhou
@@TheCapitalWanderer if you watched it then you watched it because of the memes inside touhou. probably something like "sakuya is dio's daughter" kind of memes and the fact that sakuya has a palette that resembles dio in hisoutensoku and that she has the ability to stop time.
I like that that one dude thought Kira was faster than Jotaro when 100% of Kira's motivation after fighting Jotaro was to never have to fight Jotaro ever again because Star Platinum is too fast to react to.
Yeah he's literally like "wtf that guy is *scary*, never doing that again"
He literally obtain the Bites the dust because of his fear of facing Jotaro
Wait...no Joseph clackers questions?
A miracle!
I guess people finally got smart and realize he is 100% right about the clackers
"Why didn't Joseph use his clackers against DIO? Is he stupid?"
i was really hoping that the final roundabout sequence would have made people understand the ending better. The visuals show all the parts as they happened but end with the part 6 gang at the gas station but people still just can't seem to understand it bruh
Its like a brain vacuum spawns in ppl who read/watfh part 6
Mew Mew using her Stand ability on Part 6 """readers"""
Wait seriously?! They explained it so easily and so clear and yet they still don’t get it?!
Welcome to the next installment of "JoJo fans don't know how to retain information"
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I love that people can think they're so right that they call you stupid even though they make no sense
They’re so self centred that they don’t even check to see if what they’re saying is right, or if it makes any sense
With the commenter who was confused about people sensing Shigechi’s death, there was a scene in the anime where directly afterwards it cuts to all the different stand useds looking surprised. However nothing suggests that they are actually sensing his death, it is more implied that they are all just sensing that something bad has happened, but don’t know anything else.
Exactly. They get the vague sense that something big has disturbed the peace of the town, but they still need Reimi (who is the only actual witness to the aftermath of Shigechi's death) to confirm that someone actually died. Nothing ever implied that the Stand users jumped to the conclusion of "oh snap one of us just got murdered".
so they DID sense his death, they just didnt know what it was
@@yeshalper557 Only in the anime though, which is not directed by Araki.
@@Loloswaghetto yeah, but that has nothing to do w my comment
@@yeshalper557 it does though?
10:01 To add a little more to that answear, you don't *need* to gain a stand to pass Polpo's test. Renember that the main goal of the test is to not let the fire of the lighter die in 24 hours, then there's three options:
A) The lighter never turns off, you've proven you are a responsible and smart person and you deserve to join the mafia, Polpo wins
B) The lighter is turned off but you've gained a stand and you've managed to defeat Black Sabath, you've proven that you are a strong and smart person that deserves to join the mafia, Polpo wins.
C) You either get killed by the arrow or by BS, you've proven that you are irresponsible, weak and a dumbass and thus you are unworthy of joining the mafia, Polpo wins
If I may digress, the vast majority of the people who took Polpo’s test and gained a stand as a result of re-lighting the lighter don’t actually “defeat” black sabbath. The goal of that stand is to have black sabbath pierce the victim with the arrow to give them a stand (or kill them if they are not strong enough for it) after they re-light the lighter. Presumably in the normal instance it would de-manifest after successfully doing this. Giorno and Koichi were really only able to defeat black sabbath before it could pierce them due to them having stands already and thus they could both see it and have a method to attack it.
Also, I think the first outcome where the lighter never goes out and you never get a stand is moreso a secondary test to see if you understand the corruption of the police force and know the appropriate way to bribe them, presumably through the body check by the guards before you leave the prison. In that case you don’t really need a stand to assist you in the organisation (In Polpo’s view).
Idk if you'd have to fight Black Sabbath in order to pass, considering that it'd be nearly impossible for any brand new stand user to be able to defeat it, especially if their ability isn't good for it ( for instance I can't imagine pretty much anyone in La Squadra aside from maybe Ghiaccio to beat it as first time stand users)
I don't think you had to beat Black Sabbath. Presumably, most of the people who pass Polpo's test got stabbed by the arrow and after gaining a Stand, Black Sabbath stops attacking and leaves them to their fate of death/Stand userness. Giorno and Koichi never get stabbed (since they don't gain a requiem Stand) so Black Sabbath doesn't stop attacking. Giorno has no idea that the arrow is anything other than a weapon at that point, so of course he was fighting with all he had.
I don't remember how much Koichi actually knew about the situation at that point, but even if he was fully aware of the arrow and had deduced the purpose of the test, he might still be concerned about being killed by the arrow, as it is quite pointy and will function as a weapon. It nearly killed him the first time after all, and he has no guarantee that the arrow wouldn't kill them if they got stabbed with it.
@@tokatstorm9270 I'm pretty sure that fighting and defeating or rather surviving Black Sabatah it's an important part. If the only thing Polpo cared about the test was the subject gaining a stand then he would just skip the test and use the arrow immediately.
With the test he makes sure that the new member will be responsible, strong and/or smart enough to join the mafia and surviving or beating BS prooves the last two parts.
@@mdsystems4463 But the arrow itself is already a test. The arrow doesn't give Stands to just anyone, only those who are strong enough survive the attack.
My understanding was that you have to LOSE to Black Sabbath to get a Stand, since that's the only way you get hit by the arrow. Giorno took a fourth option because he already had a Stand, and was able to fend off Black Sabbath's attacks.
"I got another one in me."
-Hamon Beat when debunking Jojo misinformation
people pointing out arakis flaws just reveals how good his writing is
9:50 I belive the person had a misconception about Crazy Diamond as in the anime, the arm is first shown as it hits Jotaro extremely quickly in the first episode
Even then we’ve seen stands partially manifest before. It’s no indication that the stand wasn’t fully formed or whatever.
@@halberd-3291 very true
@@halberd-3291 true, Silver Chariot does it all the time
by this logic... star platinum was just two fingers until avdol attacked jotaro
Hamon beat intro never gets old 😍
yeppp
9:45 in the ANIME, when Josuke first fought Jotaro, he only materialized the arm of Crazy Diamond as he didn't need to do any more for regular non-stand users which he had dealt with his whole life, but when Jotaro was revealed to be a stand user (he also did the arm thing) Josuke summoned Crazy Diamond in full.
I guess they assumed that because he only used an arm of Crazy Diamond at first, that he wasn't ABLE to summon anything else. Kinda dumb anime only.
4:13 Bro... this whole time I thought Kosaku went into Aya's salon to fix himself for his marriage...
I assumed he knew that Shinobu hated him, so he went in there thinking if he looked better, she'd love him again.
Bruh I had a much darker interpretation lmaoo
It's implied that Kosaku didn't really care for Shinobu at that point in their marriage. Just saw her as someone who cooks and cleans, which is why she was specifically going against that (Such as "making" him Ramen noodles for dinner) in order to get a rise out of him. Whether this was due to work or him genuinely not being a caring husband is unknown, but they were at a point where Kosaku genuinely didn't love Shinobu (Or just never expressed it anymore)
@@maguc5906 Been a while since I watched part 4 but Hayato was also not very good with his father and I think it was because his father seemed not to care too much about him
@@juannaym8488 very good point, it's pretty obvious Kosaku was not a good father or husband
@@maguc5906damn Kira really a playa
12:23 the most unforgivable thing here is that they called weather report "weather forecast"💀
you are so powerful for keeping such a calm tone throughout some of these questions.
5:30 It's also possible that Rohan didn't WANT to use Heaven's Door like he didn't want to use it when Josuke was cheating and when Cheap Tricks "user" didn't want to expose his back.
The arm thing about Crazy Diamond is most likely referring to it’s first appearance in the anime where only his arm is shown when he first attacks Jotaro.Of course that’s not true since Stands don’t have to be fully materialized in order to be used.
0:22 Kars' attitude towards nature
1:45 Smoky knowing Joseph and Stroheim never meeting Joseph again
3:10 Why didn't Joseph read Enya's and D'Arby's minds
3:49 DIO's knives
4:03 Kira's murderous trail in Aya's shop
4:26 wHY didn't Rohan use Heaven's Door to fact check Mikitaka's origin
6:01 Part 4's timeline of final events
6:49 Stand users sensing Shigechi's death
7:40 Star Platinum's inconsistent strength
8:14 Ghost alley and Kira's father
8:53 Krazy Diamond's name drop in Demonic Heartbreak
10:00 Passione's stand users
10:55 Black Sabbath's teleport
11:51 Narancia lYiNg
12:19 Cioccolata's hand
12:43 Versus' stealing Weather's memory disc
13:13 Weather's old vs new name
13:37 Pucci moving during stopped time
14:18 wHY didn't Diver Down protect Jolyne
14:42 Emporio using White Snake in Pucciverse
15:28 Polnareff getting arrow in the Ireneverse
15:56 Pucci and the Beetle Arrow
16:26 Polnareff finding the arrow in farm village
16:43 Thus Spoke Kishibe Rohan in Ireneverse
18:24 wHY doesn't Johnny use Act 3 more
19:09 Ojirou's fake photo of Josuke
19:27 Act 4's equivalent exchange
19:45 How did Locacaca Organization find that a branch was stolen
20:16 C-Moon vs Go Beyond
20:55 Josuke's rock skin
21:29 Daiya's vision
I really miss the old days when people would give writers some credit and think "Maybe I missed something" Instead of immediately crying foul. This kind of stuff is why. Half the things people call plot holes and writing problems are really just low reading comprehension.
19:32 the best 'araki forgot' moment💀
Yeah... I guess this one beat the "this is how refrigerators work"
I don't think anything can beat the phone book moment
"Dead crows are not alive"
Someone should compile all the funniest moments and make a video
@@stephaniesheep1147 probably be about 30 mins
The explanation for what really happened at the end of Part 6 really did help me understand it better. When they said the Universe reset a final time, I thought EVERYTHING changed but no it was just the fates of the main cast. So thanks for that.
Honestly, the most important thing to consider about the reset universe is that ONLY things affected by Pucci would absolutely change. For example, Jolyne is never arrested and Weather never loses his memory, because those were things that Pucci did. But this also means that the things Pucci _wasn't_ involved in _aren't_ really changed, like the general stories of Parts 1, 2, 4, and 5 (bc Pucci had nothing to do with them even in the og universe).
@@mrreyes5004 Yeah, that makes sense as he activity messed with the fate if the main cast of Part 6. Therefore Fate recorrected
@@mrreyes5004 F.F. never existed 😭😭😭😭
@@Doki_LP F.F.'s plankton might still be at water or the body it possesed still could be at prison alive
@@cringeguyong true
jojo fans try to pay attention while watching/reading the series: challenge impossible
People who think a villain being hypocritical or inconsistent in their morality is bad writing always baffles me
like... yeah, they're villains, ebing hypocritical is a BIG part of villainy as a whole, what would you expect?
That's what I always say! If the villain's morality and logic are perfectly rational, why would they need to be stopped in the first place?
*cough*funnyvalentine*cough*
Funny valentine wanted to save America at the cost of the rest of the world so yea still irrational.
yea valentine is a terrible guy, this fandom's insistency on claiming he was acutally in the right and not a villain at all baffles me
Like, unless you're unironically one of those stereotypical 'muricans who think the USA is the most important thing on the universe, if not the only thing in the universe period, that guy is clearly a psychotic megalomaniac.@@yogeshpipada4420
Honestly, thanks for all the videos they make me happy and love your content
Also, I'm not sure if it's been answered yet in the manga, but in the alternate universe, we see dio with the world and johnny with Act 2. Does that mean that the original dio in sbr had the world but not awakened
I would say probably not. One small change like eating cereal for breakfast instead of a sandwich would be enough to cause a split in the timeline and thus an alternate universe where you did eat a sandwich. Most likely one of the changes in that alt universe was Diego having The World. Sure he could have it dormant in the base unvierse but there's really nothing pointing to it
Wasn't it just that they were two separate Diegos? I don't think it said anything about it just being dormant but I haven't read it in 3 years so feel free to correct me
My suppose is:
Every Diego has LEGALLY The World as Main Stand BUT in the case of SBR it's different because Diego was under the effect of Scary Monsters. What I think is, when Diego got the eye he was still a dinosaur controlled by Ferdinand, the contact with the eye made The World of Diego change into Scary Monsters becoming his main stand. Yeah, there's the thing that every universe can differs for little things but still The World is the Stand of Dio in every way, was just rewrited into another one for the power of the corpse.
Tl:dr: STAND SLOT TAKEN, CANNOT TAKE THE WORLD:ALTERNATE UNIVERSE
i would like to know, how was polnareff part 5 wearing different clothes? because when we see him in flash back he wears his old clothes.
Fun fact: the 1992 OVA actually includes a scene of Dio collecting his knives.
Araki forgot to write a bad story
Take a shot everytime he says "Not what happened at all"
Nice a hamon beat vid
14:03 this is such an awesome detail because gravity and time are linked in the real world, king araki proving once again why hes the goat
- I get it time and gravity are linked but only when time is flowing right ?
- So while time is stopped c-moon ability should also be stopped right ?
@@notforyou2893 Not if c-moon and Made in heaven HAVE control over gravity and time.
@@IciWhy
c-moon have gravity STAND POWER !! However that shouldn't work in stopped time.
maiden heaven have time acceleration which doesn't affect time stopped because well time is stopped.
@@notforyou2893 Jotaros magnets worked in stopped time, so there is no reason to believe that a gravity power of a stand wouldn't work
@@mirko241 didn't the magnet trick worked because both jotaro and dio could move within stopped time ?
Isn't that how dio knive throwing tactic also worked ? The knive could move because dio was touching them but after he threw them they stopped ?
I just jokingly assumed Luca's Stand was his shovel. Sure there isn't anything to indicate such, but considering Hey Ya! has no real ability other motivating his user why can't Luca have a Stand that has no ability other than digging holes?
Hey Ya at least gives advice and just seems like a cool dude overall
@@TuskyBaby Hey Ya is just serotonin as a Stand lmao
0:26 Didn't realize Kars was respectable like Wamuu albeit to a lesser degree.
12:42 I was so confused about that whole scenario until now.
I wish the rock on Josuke's body stuck, it feels like it symbolizes how the events of Wonder of U irreparably left him changed physically
Babe wake up, new debunking Araki forgot just dropped
So on the topic of Polpo's test, the test is designed to benefit Passione no matter the standard outcome as either:
A. The person taking the test fails and dies to the stand arrow meaning said person was unworthy to join anyway.
B. The person succeeds the test, smuggling the lighter out and back in without it going out which proves their value even without a stand.
C. The person fails the test but gains a stand ability which allows them to bring the lighter back more easily and likely lying to Polpo about the lighter not going out at which point Passione gains a new member with a stand.
It absolutely floors me how many of these involve currently manga exclusive scenes, and as such aren't subject to animation team errors, and yet so many people still completely get the details wrong such a Johnny supposedly not having a horse in the Part 8 flashback despite him clearly being on horseback. Would it really have been so hard to just go back and read through scenes again before accusing Araki of forgetting something? Because it seems like his memory often isn't the one at fault.
9:51 guarantee you this is from some roblox jojo game where they make attaining stands broken into stages
the roblox jjba lore is beyond😂
Your monotone voice is a shock after that insane intro but is comforting, when I hear your voice I hear someone who knows what they are talking.
im just amazed there are still enough things to make a 24 minute long video on
Ok so i have this question, when Kira got struck by the arrow he gained bites the dust and time rewinded, however later it’s stated that he needs to put the tertiary bomb on a person (Hayato) and then have that person be interrogated about Kira for it to explote and rewind time. How did time rewind the first time if he didn’t put the bomb on a person and nothing blew up? Did being in contact with the arrow temporally buff the ability? Is it an anime only thing?
I don’t think this is an Araki forgot but this always confused me.
Btw my main language isn’t English so sorry for misspelling
Maybe he was able to put it on Hayato since he was alive in the past? I assume that placing Bites the Dust on someone also rewinds time, since Kira tried to activate it later expecting to go back in time. That might be a bit of a contrived explanation, but it kinda fits.
I love your vids. You shed light on all these questions and now, the whole 'Uraki forgets' is debunked and maybe he only forgot one or two things
One thing I've read regarding Kars was less to do with power corrupting and more along the lines of believing himself to be 'equal' to nature, then believing himself to be 'above' nature after evolving.
Welcome to another episode of 'ppl cant read' 😂
Also the patience of hamonbeat is commendable
0:52 It could also be that he protected the flowers and the dog because he respected them, because they could do things he couldn't do, unlike with humans whom he'd already surpassed, so when he became the ultimate lifeform he had lost all the respect for other forms of life since he could now do everything they could and more
9:45 it probably means when during Josuke's introduction anime he manifested Crazy Diamond's arm to punch the bully. But this dumbass forgets that partially manifesting a Stand is something possible, like during the Geb fight when Jotaro only manifested Star Platinum's legs to kick himself upwards
That makes more sense than Hamon Beat's explanation. His feels like "Kars decides to be evil, just because" Or "the mask suddenly changes his personality despite no real setup for this, or even a confirmation from the story itself". Like I understand what he is trying to convey, but it doesn't feel like its something that is tangible as a part of the story. As it goes in Battle Tendency, Kars is hiding his true personality of a trickster, and thus is able to easily defeat Lisa Lisa, and not fall for Joseph's tricks. But in order to hide this surprise reveal of his true personality, Araki writes him very composed and mysterious, and it seems he also added those scenes of protection to further obfuscate his true character. So I think it might just be a messy setup for his character.
@@GBDupree no. He probably meant it as in: "Kars' desire for power led him to disregard his previous principals until he got so currupted that he fully became a monster". And with Will Zeppeli's father it could be like: "The power of the mask overwhelmed him to the point that it drove him insane"
@@deadcool3227 I know, but what I meant was that it doesn't feel substantiated enough in the story to fell like anything more than a simple explanation like "just because". Whereas Zeppelli's story at least makes sense with that interpretation because of the info provided could imply that already. But nothing really makes it seem like Kars had a change in personality for those reasons. If that makes sense?
I'm having a hard time finding the proper words to describe this, I've never been the best at explaining things. But hopefully it makes sense. I don't mean to sound like I think he was purposefully handwaving it away, but that was the best he could think of at the time, but it wasn't convincing enough to me. Especially when his explanations usually feel more solid and grounded in material from the series.
Basically, he could be right, but only with the context you provided does it feel like that could be an actual intention with the character.
Why didnt jotaro use star finger to save kira from the ghost ally
The thumbnail tripped me up cause that Tusk Act 3 design looks so much like an anime model sheet lol
wake up babe new hamon beat debunking araki forgot video just dropped
Alright the Johnny on a horse one had me rolling
6:00 “ your so stupid “
Repost: I have a question I'd love to see your take on: How come Killer Queen just happens to have a stomach compartment in which to store stray cat? Stray Cat isn't Kira's stand so how does it get summoned with (within) Killer Queen? Is that an extra ability Killer Queen has? Or can all Stands do this to a certain extent? It's literally the only thing that I think doesn't make much sense in JoJo
I think that's explained by the fact that Stands are made of raw energy, and Stand users can manipulate that energy to some extent for minor shapeshifting. For example, when Star Finger was first used way back in Part 3, it was directly explained that Jotaro condensed his Stand's energy into those fingers. Later on, Kakyoin and Polnareff shrink their Stands against Lovers by decreasing the normal amount of energy that usually goes into their Stands.
Kakyoin even explains in that exact scene that the Stands can shrink thanks to being made of spirit energy, and Steely Dan himself admits that Lovers is so tiny because it barely has any spiritual energy to its name. On the opposite side, Joseph and Avdol speculate that Strength (the orangutan's Stand) is massive because the orangutan had huge amounts of energy to put into it. This logically means that a Stand's shape and size is partly dependent on the amount of spiritual power that the user wields in his/her soul.
Considering that Kira knows his own Stand inside-out thanks to his skill with it, as well as his father's own advice on Stands, it's likely that Kira also figured this out. This could have allowed Kira to make minor adjustments to the body of his Stand, including the addition of a small stomach compartment just big enough that Stray Cat can fit into it. Not sure how Stray Cat is summoned _alongside_ Killer Queen when Kira materializes Killer Queen, though. That one has me stumped for now.
@@mrreyes5004 I like your answer a lot, and I agree. But the summoning bit, yeah, makes no sense. Unless he never unsummoned KQ after getting stray cat in it, but I'm pretty sure he does?
I hope to one day be solely responsible for one of these entries
6:16 Wait, June 24th? Shigechi died on my birthday date, let's go 💀
Take a shot every time a misconception is due to the anime's animators mucking something up.
hamon beat I love you
Araki forgot to give this man a raise
I appreciate doing these in Part order. As I haven't read part 7 or 8 yet, it made the video watching experience more pleasant ❤️ thank you
Make sure to get reading buddy 👍especially with jojolands starting to come out
Rohan also likes to figure things out himself rather than rely on Heaven's Door. He wanted to see Masazo Kinoto's back when he could've just used Heaven's Door. Rohan has a natural curiosity that won't be satisfied by just reading information. He could've picked up a book on spider anatomy, but he'd rather cut it open and see it for himself.
6:11 for such a stupid comment they wrote it so harshly
To think some of these can be solved easily just by *reading* the goddamn manga.
9:50 I think this comment is referring to how when Crazy Diamond punches Josuke’s upperclassmen, only it’s arm is shown.
However, we see multiple instances both before and after when already fully formed stands are able to have only their arms manifested, such as when Star Platinum stopped Jotaro from shooting himself while he’s in jail, Jotaro uses only Star Platinum’s arm to steal the bangle in the Lovers arc, or when Giorno only deploys the arm of Gold Experience to turn Polpo’s gun into a banana
Kars was respecting nature by not intervening, he never changed really in his love for nature
Your explanation for Kars was spot on. I always thought that was a pretty important detail about his character.
The irony of the "your so stupid" comment.
I think kars protected the life forms becouse he had respect for them, since he knew they we're better than him in some aspect, same reason why he killed al many humans, becouse they were directly below kars, And then when he became better than plants and animals he Lost all respect, they are as fate below him as humans
Average JoJo fan:
*sigh* "I wish I could read"
hamon beat explaining that talking head isnt the opposite of what you say 9969459794579497848956498498 times
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Bro did that guy really say "your so stupid" while using your and not you're 💀
I may have dreamt this, but I’m pretty sure Kars explicitly stated that the reason he respects plants and animals so much is that they are capable of things he is not. That dog could go in the sun, make noises he can’t, procreate with another dog, etc. But once he becomes the ultimate life form he can do anything any other earth organism can, so he doesnt feel the need to respect them. This could just be a headcanon because I last watched part 2 like 6 years ago
Is this implying kars low key wants to procreate with dogs
Jojo Fans with their least dedicated N'Doul cosplays.
Alternate title: JoJo Fans Have No Concept of Time
14:00 i have another theory because the green baby was Dios will combined with his stand it had a bit the worlds power too therefore pucci could see during time skip
Crazy Idea: Imagine after part 9 we get a Pink Dark Boy spinoff. 😂
This is a part 6 question, it involves Emporio and Wreather's stand disk, but it's not about why him needing Pucci to insert it into him. (Disclaimer: anime-watcher, but I did read the early arcs in the manga)
How did Emporio still have the stand disk? When he went over to the new universe, he was butt-naked and most of the stuff he would've had would've fallen out. And it was said that the stuff that he would've had wouldn't carry over with him as he had left his gun in the ocean in the old universe.
A possible solution is that Emporio didn't keep the dick in his clothes and it was in any orifice of his body that he can store it (like how he stores ghost objects in his bellybutton). My only main problem with that explanation is that (I think) Emporio only got the disk from Jolyne when she got him onto the dolphin. With how fast the dolphin was moving and him needing to hold on, I found the task extremely difficult, if not impossible.
When Emporio appears in the next universe his clothing, and by extension, the disk, is on the floor next to him.
Emporio can store things in his ghost room with a small pocket and get them later at will, even normal objects and not just ghost ones, we see that when Versus searches him to get Jotaro's memory Disc, so the disc was in his room all along.
@@LEONOX233 I understand that, but can he do that while riding on a dolphin?
@@thevideo-beast122 Well, it's a supernatural power after all, I guess it would be easy as just putting something in his pocket, also Jolyne wrapped him with the dolphin so that would give him some free time with his hands to safeguard the disc until Jolyne's death.
9:52 they're probably referring to the anime where josuke only uses crazy diamond's arm to punch the bully and jotaro before using the whole stand when he saw that just an arm won't be enough to beat jotaro
Ah, yes, Stone Ocean ending... The most misunderstood thing by part skippers/speedrunners 💀
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Kars “getting up” like this reminds me of the Street Fighter animated movie from the 90s where he fought Chun Li. Turns out I was watching a JoJo reference and didn’t know it.
How about a video that teaches JoJo fans the basics. For example, what is a protagonist, otherwise if you listen to the fanbase, it’s not Jotaro the protagonist of part 3 but Polnareff, not Josuke but Koichi in 4, not Giorno but Bruno in 5, not Johnny but Gyro in 7.
4:19 I wish he had been a client of Aya's, it would had made his story much more tragic, as we know that Shinobu's and his relationship was falling apart, and he resorted to Aya's workshop as a last resort of fixing their marriage
Yet another episode of “Hamon Beat vs NPC’s”
Basic types:
"arakiforgor a plot point that I made up! How are you gonna explain that??"
"I haven't read the explicit explanations throughout the story, how can a writer fail the fans so much??
"Why the rats in part four didn't appear at least another 5 times?? Jotaro could have exploded them with star finger every time, there was so much lead-up to it..."
"Piccollo G has burned his ass, and not even once has he pulled down his pants to show the burn! It was forgotten..."
"An everyday object has been inhabited by a stand, so why it didn't become invisible and phase-through??"
"I don't believe Araki a word of those interviews... And he is also forgetful, he told so himself in an interview!"
It's amazing how many people just... Don't pay attention to what's going on and is clearly stated. That Polpo one is nuts.
i don't think the arrow made GER when Giorno fought Black Sabbath as he didn't have the intense want to defeat Diavolo then
it briefly made Chariot Requiem as Polnareff had actually wanted to keep the arrow away from him at the time
We are getting to the point were people are just not reading the subtitles or manga panels.
been like that for a while tbh, part 6 suffered from speedreader syndrome for many years and part 8 has started getting hit by it too. part 7's overhyping by the fandom and part 9 starting has been devastating for jojo fans' reading comprehension