Debunking Araki Forgot Extras 6
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- Опубликовано: 9 мар 2023
- Tackling more fan questions about the JoJo series.
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Could you explain if there is a possibility of any correlation between Star Platinum's speed (faster than light) and its ability to stop time?
@Hamon Beat
Araki forgot that Jotaro can travel faster when using Star Platinum. He did that when fight Dio and looking for N'Doul. Jotaro could have use Star Platinum to move faster and chase down Kira. Kira wasn't able to move fast, so Jotaro could have catch up.
what was that force field that protected pucci and c-moon when stone free tries to punch them? I really don't remember seeing this in the manga.
@Hamon Beat
Araki forgot that Star Platinum can punch at light speed. Kira and Pucci shouldn't be able to react to light speed attack. Jotaro should have won in those battles.
Something that I didn´t get in the last third of Jojolion was how did Tooru know that (kid) Yasuho had Paisley Park (or at least, an ability that could help him).
Hamon Beat having to explain for the 968235th time that Polnareff got the Stand Arrow from Egypt and not from the village : 💀
As a non-regular of this channel i'm surprised how common this topic appears.
Half the misconceptions are debunked by the scenes themselves when you just read the text, but people dont do that and chose to ask for debunking it
Ikr, it's hilarious to think Polnareff would have randomly found the arrow stuck behind a furniture in a random secluded village in Italy lmaao
@@marleonka. jojo fans reading challenge(impossible)
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Someone, get this man a PhD in Jojology already. He deserves it.
We must have a ceremony
FACTS
I’ve always said he’s the Cybershell of Jojo’s.
Seconded
if Jonolpgy was a discipline,hamon beat would be the teacher
At this point, I’m sure you can call these “explaining random facts about the story of JoJo in no specific order”
the title is clever tho but yeah man so many facts
@@NonExistantNobody I understand why the title is like this, because it’s not wrong, people will find ways to argue about the slightest of things. I’m just joking how it’s to the point that if you remove the comments, you can easily call them Random Jojo facts.
@@Predator20357 not to mention make Hamon Beat not sound like an asshole
That's actually a very fitting title for this series lol
@@lpmatthews7387 I disagree that the title makes him sound like an asshole as it’s literally what the video is about, I’m just joking how it ended up with people bringing up the most obscure things to talk about.
I think a lot of people don't understand the term "blind". It's always portrayed in media as the utmost extreme of no vision whatsoever, but there are plenty of people who are Legally Blind, in which case their vision is so bad they can practically not see, the perfect example being that she held the image right up to her eyes
Exactly. The amount of legally blind people who really cannot see anything is incredibly low. Most have at least some light perception.
But wasn't it shown in the arc introducing Daiya that she was so blind she wasn't able to notice Josuke turning off the light in the room?
@Spaceboy Digital Not to be an asshole but please fix your spelling lol
Ironic, considering most of the people featured here have proven that they're blind, since they can't read the basic facts that happen in the series
Not only blindness but also other disabilities. Like assuming a physical disability must be visible, or that a person must have issues all the time (for example: using a wheelchair but being able to walk).
“As you have probably noticed, he is on a horse.”
Another quote/moment to add to the other hilarious ones this series has produced. Though not quite as iconic as HB explaining how a refrigerator works.
Or the time HB explained that a *dead* animal is no longer alive.
@@mrreyes5004 "You see, at one point there were these mystical artifacts called phone books."
Hamon Beat listing every visible Stand in the series was the best
Or that Alt Diego had The World and wouldn't have to carry his own horse.
On a whole horse
For the mikitaka part, I feel like Rohan would also be too proud to use heaven's door on him. He wanted him to admit if he was lying or not, similar to the dice game with josuke. He could have easily found the truth about josuke cheating with heaven's door, but he didnt
Oh wait Don’t forget the Rock Paper Scissors
And also that one time with Cheap Trick, he had to trick him into showing his back
Also, in Cheap Trick he could've just used Heaven's Door to make the guy show his back to him, but Rohan likes satisfaction from figuring out stuff on his own if he thinks he can
Shit, someone beat me to it.
If I had a nickel for every time a community saw a wasted opportunity to use their main ability and said it was a mistake by the creator when really it’s just because of their personality, I’d have 2 nickels. Wich isn’t a lot, but it’s weird that it happened twice
10:20 - Not to mention that Polpo even states that there's a possibility of Giorno having managed to not need to relight the lighter at all. So people have been able to pass the test without gaining a Stand. It's probably not a very high percentage but still an existing one.
he wants or people that can do as asked or stand users so its the perfect test
I'm not sure leaky is smart enough to manage that...
@@spectralspooky leaky seems like a very loyal follower of a moral code of respect between the organization, and a determination to what he think is needed to do, i really think he would get a stand if he got the arrow but i think he got lucky or got into the polpo gang before the hard test, be mindful, polpo already has all positions covered so it makes sense that now is wheeding out scum from the newcomers
@@spectralspooky It's a simple test though, just put the lighter in a oxygen-filled room and keep an eye on it. The thing is many wishing to be gangsters may just put it out or (rightfully) not trust a mob boss to keep his word, believing he was tricking them. It serves as both a loyalty test AND a stand-chance test, either or being a good thing for being part of that gang.
And even said the test could be easily passed by either you already knew the police very well or you just bribe them, it's not actually that hard it's just that Giorno assumef the cops were already tasked in knowing about the test that's what brought him the trouble
When I am in a poor reading comprehension competition and my opponent is a Jojo fan
Even the reading comprehension devil can't compete.
I dont even know why its such a big problem for JoJo, maybe because it has been running for such a long time...
@@CODA96 JoJo is very complicated to understand sometimes tbh but people always seem to fumble on the simplest things or things that are explained later
@@shakkoryu In the later seasons its complicated, but people literally choke at the tiniest things in Part 1+2. Just like in the video ''Why can Johnny use rotation when hes not on a horse?''
''As you can see, he is on a horse'' - lol.
@@CODA96 yeah I think some may be trolling but given how dumb some people are is hard to tell
I’d also say for Kars that he respected things that he couldn’t do himself, like he respected the flower for being able to do photosynthesis and the dog for I guess being able to smell better. Whatever it was the point is that they could do things he couldn’t, so he respected them. But when he became the ultimate life form, he could do everything they did but 10x better, so he didn’t have anymore respect for them.
yes thats also how i interpeted it.
I was about to comment the exact same thing.
Very well explained 👍
That's pretty much it, yeah. The entire point of Kars' journey is that he wants to become perfect (biologically). As a Pillar Man, he knows that he is more powerful than other lifeforms, but Kars also knows that he still isn't a perfect being. So Kars protected the flowers and the dog because he wasn't sure if he was better than them yet. But after becoming the Ultimate Lifeform, Kars knew for a fact that he IS better than all of them, and asserted that blatantly.
No, it's not because he has a better nose, it's because the dog can be the goodest boi.
@@ICTON123 Put Kars in a skirt and he becomes my goodest boy
"As you can see, Johnny is on the horse" killed me
I love how done he sounds in certain explanations
My favourite example of this is when he said “this person doesn’t seem to know how a fridge works” in one video
You mean like a smartass?
@@nicemanfred0928 What video was it? That sounds fucking hillarious
The part 6 video especially. Jesus Christ, people are dumb.
@@poptartninjapart 5 video I think
8:02 what are you talking about? Kira was very clearly using his face to block star platinum’s punch’s! Might I say, it was a very impressive strategy on his part
can't stop laughing at 19:33
"Johnny's not on a horse!"
*manga panel clearly showing horse*
I honestly never even thought of comparing the combination of pucci and the green baby to josefumi and kira
Its silly
@@EXFrost Exactly. The Green Baby-Pucci fusion is a specific step of a complicated process, while the Josefumi-Kira fusion was a random thing with no organized intent.
same lol
I think the "Why didn't Joseph use Hermit Purple on D'arby" question is more about "Why did they bother playing with D'arby when Joseph could've used Hermit Purple?"
The answer is that they didn't know D'arby was DIO's minion until after Polnareff lost his soul, and thus they now had to play to try and get Polnareff back.
Edit: and, you know, Joseph wouldn't do that to an innocent person.
There's also the fact that they would have to drag D'arby over to a TV to read his mind, which would be super awkward and weird due to being in public where absolutely everyone could see them.
@@mrreyes5004 If they did try doing that, they'd have to fight all of D'Arby's lackeys in the bar.
@@justinjakeashton they'd probably win
@@livekazumareaction They would. They'd be attracting unwanted attention though like how Joseph is wanted for murder somewhere in the Middle East.
@@justinjakeashton Well they could just use his most famous technique
This series humors me since it just comes down to people making stuff up, not understanding the source material, or just not paying attention to something laid out but I highly respect you for continuing this far, I'd lose my mind owning a series like this
Why are Jojo fans like this
@@atomu27 they watch for the memes not for the core beauty of it
its mostly the fans themselves just fogetting which makes it even more ironic
@@dosewichte7124 what about me? i didnt watch for the memes, i watch it because of touhou
@@TheCapitalWanderer if you watched it then you watched it because of the memes inside touhou. probably something like "sakuya is dio's daughter" kind of memes and the fact that sakuya has a palette that resembles dio in hisoutensoku and that she has the ability to stop time.
I like that that one dude thought Kira was faster than Jotaro when 100% of Kira's motivation after fighting Jotaro was to never have to fight Jotaro ever again because Star Platinum is too fast to react to.
Yeah he's literally like "wtf that guy is *scary*, never doing that again"
He literally obtain the Bites the dust because of his fear of facing Jotaro
I suspect people miss simple details, like Johnny being on his horse to use the Golden Rotation in Part 8, because most people have a tendency to just read the speech bubbles in a panel as opposed to taking in the whole panel, or at least they don't take the time to appreciate the panel. It's a problem I had for a while getting back into reading manga until I remembered it's not a novel and half of the story takes place in the pretty pictures.
Well seeing comments like DIO's knifes I think people don't even read the speech bubbles either
I think its a bunch of kids that saw Jojo's get popular with the part 5 anime who now want to avoid "missing out" and speedread/read the wiki to get current.
@@crystalalumina lmao, they don’t even look at it, they just listen to the audio
This + probably a lot of people just search "Jojolion/ Jojo part 7 reading" and probably don't even bother reading the panels displayed and let whoever reads it to hopefully resume well. Been a little guilty of that myself but at least had went back and read Jojolion well.
I thought Johnny only even needed to be on his horse when he first used act 4 cause later it shows act 4 when Johnny is on the boat at the end of part 7
Wait...no Joseph clackers questions?
A miracle!
I guess people finally got smart and realize he is 100% right about the clackers
"Why didn't Joseph use his clackers against DIO? Is he stupid?"
I love that people can think they're so right that they call you stupid even though they make no sense
They’re so self centred that they don’t even check to see if what they’re saying is right, or if it makes any sense
With the commenter who was confused about people sensing Shigechi’s death, there was a scene in the anime where directly afterwards it cuts to all the different stand useds looking surprised. However nothing suggests that they are actually sensing his death, it is more implied that they are all just sensing that something bad has happened, but don’t know anything else.
Exactly. They get the vague sense that something big has disturbed the peace of the town, but they still need Reimi (who is the only actual witness to the aftermath of Shigechi's death) to confirm that someone actually died. Nothing ever implied that the Stand users jumped to the conclusion of "oh snap one of us just got murdered".
so they DID sense his death, they just didnt know what it was
@@yeshalper557 Only in the anime though, which is not directed by Araki.
@@laurentrighetti9645 yeah, but that has nothing to do w my comment
@@yeshalper557 it does though?
i was really hoping that the final roundabout sequence would have made people understand the ending better. The visuals show all the parts as they happened but end with the part 6 gang at the gas station but people still just can't seem to understand it bruh
Its like a brain vacuum spawns in ppl who read/watfh part 6
Mew Mew using her Stand ability on Part 6 """readers"""
Wait seriously?! They explained it so easily and so clear and yet they still don’t get it?!
10:01 To add a little more to that answear, you don't *need* to gain a stand to pass Polpo's test. Renember that the main goal of the test is to not let the fire of the lighter die in 24 hours, then there's three options:
A) The lighter never turns off, you've proven you are a responsible and smart person and you deserve to join the mafia, Polpo wins
B) The lighter is turned off but you've gained a stand and you've managed to defeat Black Sabath, you've proven that you are a strong and smart person that deserves to join the mafia, Polpo wins.
C) You either get killed by the arrow or by BS, you've proven that you are irresponsible, weak and a dumbass and thus you are unworthy of joining the mafia, Polpo wins
If I may digress, the vast majority of the people who took Polpo’s test and gained a stand as a result of re-lighting the lighter don’t actually “defeat” black sabbath. The goal of that stand is to have black sabbath pierce the victim with the arrow to give them a stand (or kill them if they are not strong enough for it) after they re-light the lighter. Presumably in the normal instance it would de-manifest after successfully doing this. Giorno and Koichi were really only able to defeat black sabbath before it could pierce them due to them having stands already and thus they could both see it and have a method to attack it.
Also, I think the first outcome where the lighter never goes out and you never get a stand is moreso a secondary test to see if you understand the corruption of the police force and know the appropriate way to bribe them, presumably through the body check by the guards before you leave the prison. In that case you don’t really need a stand to assist you in the organisation (In Polpo’s view).
Idk if you'd have to fight Black Sabbath in order to pass, considering that it'd be nearly impossible for any brand new stand user to be able to defeat it, especially if their ability isn't good for it ( for instance I can't imagine pretty much anyone in La Squadra aside from maybe Ghiaccio to beat it as first time stand users)
I don't think you had to beat Black Sabbath. Presumably, most of the people who pass Polpo's test got stabbed by the arrow and after gaining a Stand, Black Sabbath stops attacking and leaves them to their fate of death/Stand userness. Giorno and Koichi never get stabbed (since they don't gain a requiem Stand) so Black Sabbath doesn't stop attacking. Giorno has no idea that the arrow is anything other than a weapon at that point, so of course he was fighting with all he had.
I don't remember how much Koichi actually knew about the situation at that point, but even if he was fully aware of the arrow and had deduced the purpose of the test, he might still be concerned about being killed by the arrow, as it is quite pointy and will function as a weapon. It nearly killed him the first time after all, and he has no guarantee that the arrow wouldn't kill them if they got stabbed with it.
@@tokatstorm9270 I'm pretty sure that fighting and defeating or rather surviving Black Sabatah it's an important part. If the only thing Polpo cared about the test was the subject gaining a stand then he would just skip the test and use the arrow immediately.
With the test he makes sure that the new member will be responsible, strong and/or smart enough to join the mafia and surviving or beating BS prooves the last two parts.
@@mdsystems4463 But the arrow itself is already a test. The arrow doesn't give Stands to just anyone, only those who are strong enough survive the attack.
My understanding was that you have to LOSE to Black Sabbath to get a Stand, since that's the only way you get hit by the arrow. Giorno took a fourth option because he already had a Stand, and was able to fend off Black Sabbath's attacks.
9:50 I belive the person had a misconception about Crazy Diamond as in the anime, the arm is first shown as it hits Jotaro extremely quickly in the first episode
Even then we’ve seen stands partially manifest before. It’s no indication that the stand wasn’t fully formed or whatever.
@@halberd-3291 very true
@@halberd-3291 true, Silver Chariot does it all the time
by this logic... star platinum was just two fingers until avdol attacked jotaro
Hamon beat intro never gets old 😍
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Welcome to the next installment of "JoJo fans don't know how to retain information"
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people pointing out arakis flaws just reveals how good his writing is
Fun fact: the 1992 OVA actually includes a scene of Dio collecting his knives.
19:32 the best 'araki forgot' moment💀
Yeah... I guess this one beat the "this is how refrigerators work"
I don't think anything can beat the phone book moment
"Dead crows are not alive"
Someone should compile all the funniest moments and make a video
@@stephaniesheep1147 probably be about 30 mins
9:45 in the ANIME, when Josuke first fought Jotaro, he only materialized the arm of Crazy Diamond as he didn't need to do any more for regular non-stand users which he had dealt with his whole life, but when Jotaro was revealed to be a stand user (he also did the arm thing) Josuke summoned Crazy Diamond in full.
I guess they assumed that because he only used an arm of Crazy Diamond at first, that he wasn't ABLE to summon anything else. Kinda dumb anime only.
12:23 the most unforgivable thing here is that they called weather report "weather forecast"💀
5:30 It's also possible that Rohan didn't WANT to use Heaven's Door like he didn't want to use it when Josuke was cheating and when Cheap Tricks "user" didn't want to expose his back.
4:13 Bro... this whole time I thought Kosaku went into Aya's salon to fix himself for his marriage...
I assumed he knew that Shinobu hated him, so he went in there thinking if he looked better, she'd love him again.
Bruh I had a much darker interpretation lmaoo
It's implied that Kosaku didn't really care for Shinobu at that point in their marriage. Just saw her as someone who cooks and cleans, which is why she was specifically going against that (Such as "making" him Ramen noodles for dinner) in order to get a rise out of him. Whether this was due to work or him genuinely not being a caring husband is unknown, but they were at a point where Kosaku genuinely didn't love Shinobu (Or just never expressed it anymore)
@@maguc5906 Been a while since I watched part 4 but Hayato was also not very good with his father and I think it was because his father seemed not to care too much about him
@@juannaym8488 very good point, it's pretty obvious Kosaku was not a good father or husband
@@maguc5906damn Kira really a playa
I think people are confusing the Narancia/talking Heads fight because of the one moment where he did "intentionally" lie. Except it still wasn't not a lie, but when he shot Giorno he cried out "I didn't mean to shoot you," which Tiziano soon realized wasn't possible given Talking Heads was still affecting him, which is when he realized Narancia *did* mean to shoot Giorno. It still wasn't the same "he lied on purpose to say the truth," but it was a moment where his lie was used to confuse the enemy, even if it was still a lie. He still never "said the opposite of what he meant" as people claim he could have, but I think that throws people off because it was the first time Narancia understood his lie would be heard and took advantage of it, despite still not being able to fight or control it.
Honestly I feel like a lot of JoJo mistakes come from not just people not reading/retaining information, but the fact that people try to get to technical with certain abilities and mechanics. Talking Heads is a great example because it's power is literally forcing someone to lie. A lie is often the opposite of the truth, and so readers somehow equate this ability to "reverses the meaning of words." No, it does not. It does what it says it does. Similar to those who thought it was absurd that Weather Report can make it rain frogs or create snail subliminal messages, because it "only" controls the weather. "That means it must only control rain, wind, and other atmospheric elements." No, it controls the weather, and everything that entails. It has rained frogs and other animals, and the weather has created illusions and other visual phenomena from heat reflections across hot pavement to floating city skylines above China. If weather did it, Weather Report can do it.
0:22 Kars' attitude towards nature
1:45 Smoky knowing Joseph and Stroheim never meeting Joseph again
3:10 Why didn't Joseph read Enya's and D'Arby's minds
3:49 DIO's knives
4:03 Kira's murderous trail in Aya's shop
4:26 wHY didn't Rohan use Heaven's Door to fact check Mikitaka's origin
6:01 Part 4's timeline of final events
6:49 Stand users sensing Shigechi's death
7:40 Star Platinum's inconsistent strength
8:14 Ghost alley and Kira's father
8:53 Krazy Diamond's name drop in Demonic Heartbreak
10:00 Passione's stand users
10:55 Black Sabbath's teleport
11:51 Narancia lYiNg
12:19 Cioccolata's hand
12:43 Versus' stealing Weather's memory disc
13:13 Weather's old vs new name
13:37 Pucci moving during stopped time
14:18 wHY didn't Diver Down protect Jolyne
14:42 Emporio using White Snake in Pucciverse
15:28 Polnareff getting arrow in the Ireneverse
15:56 Pucci and the Beetle Arrow
16:26 Polnareff finding the arrow in farm village
16:43 Thus Spoke Kishibe Rohan in Ireneverse
18:24 wHY doesn't Johnny use Act 3 more
19:09 Ojirou's fake photo of Josuke
19:27 Act 4's equivalent exchange
19:45 How did Locacaca Organization find that a branch was stolen
20:16 C-Moon vs Go Beyond
20:55 Josuke's rock skin
21:29 Daiya's vision
The explanation for what really happened at the end of Part 6 really did help me understand it better. When they said the Universe reset a final time, I thought EVERYTHING changed but no it was just the fates of the main cast. So thanks for that.
Honestly, the most important thing to consider about the reset universe is that ONLY things affected by Pucci would absolutely change. For example, Jolyne is never arrested and Weather never loses his memory, because those were things that Pucci did. But this also means that the things Pucci _wasn't_ involved in _aren't_ really changed, like the general stories of Parts 1, 2, 4, and 5 (bc Pucci had nothing to do with them even in the og universe).
@@mrreyes5004 Yeah, that makes sense as he activity messed with the fate if the main cast of Part 6. Therefore Fate recorrected
@@mrreyes5004 F.F. never existed 😭😭😭😭
@@Doki_LP F.F.'s plankton might still be at water or the body it possesed still could be at prison alive
@@cringeguyong true
People who think a villain being hypocritical or inconsistent in their morality is bad writing always baffles me
like... yeah, they're villains, ebing hypocritical is a BIG part of villainy as a whole, what would you expect?
That's what I always say! If the villain's morality and logic are perfectly rational, why would they need to be stopped in the first place?
*cough*funnyvalentine*cough*
Funny valentine wanted to save America at the cost of the rest of the world so yea still irrational.
yea valentine is a terrible guy, this fandom's insistency on claiming he was acutally in the right and not a villain at all baffles me
Like, unless you're unironically one of those stereotypical 'muricans who think the USA is the most important thing on the universe, if not the only thing in the universe period, that guy is clearly a psychotic megalomaniac.@@yogeshpipada4420
"I got another one in me."
-Hamon Beat when debunking Jojo misinformation
I really miss the old days when people would give writers some credit and think "Maybe I missed something" Instead of immediately crying foul. This kind of stuff is why. Half the things people call plot holes and writing problems are really just low reading comprehension.
The arm thing about Crazy Diamond is most likely referring to it’s first appearance in the anime where only his arm is shown when he first attacks Jotaro.Of course that’s not true since Stands don’t have to be fully materialized in order to be used.
you are so powerful for keeping such a calm tone throughout some of these questions.
Araki forgot to write a bad story
So on the topic of Polpo's test, the test is designed to benefit Passione no matter the standard outcome as either:
A. The person taking the test fails and dies to the stand arrow meaning said person was unworthy to join anyway.
B. The person succeeds the test, smuggling the lighter out and back in without it going out which proves their value even without a stand.
C. The person fails the test but gains a stand ability which allows them to bring the lighter back more easily and likely lying to Polpo about the lighter not going out at which point Passione gains a new member with a stand.
I wish the rock on Josuke's body stuck, it feels like it symbolizes how the events of Wonder of U irreparably left him changed physically
14:03 this is such an awesome detail because gravity and time are linked in the real world, king araki proving once again why hes the goat
- I get it time and gravity are linked but only when time is flowing right ?
- So while time is stopped c-moon ability should also be stopped right ?
@@notforyou2893 Not if c-moon and Made in heaven HAVE control over gravity and time.
@@IciWhy
c-moon have gravity STAND POWER !! However that shouldn't work in stopped time.
maiden heaven have time acceleration which doesn't affect time stopped because well time is stopped.
@@notforyou2893 Jotaros magnets worked in stopped time, so there is no reason to believe that a gravity power of a stand wouldn't work
@@mirko241 didn't the magnet trick worked because both jotaro and dio could move within stopped time ?
Isn't that how dio knive throwing tactic also worked ? The knive could move because dio was touching them but after he threw them they stopped ?
Your monotone voice is a shock after that insane intro but is comforting, when I hear your voice I hear someone who knows what they are talking.
Take a shot every time a misconception is due to the anime's animators mucking something up.
jojo fans try to pay attention while watching/reading the series: challenge impossible
Alright the Johnny on a horse one had me rolling
Babe wake up, new debunking Araki forgot just dropped
Nice a hamon beat vid
I just jokingly assumed Luca's Stand was his shovel. Sure there isn't anything to indicate such, but considering Hey Ya! has no real ability other motivating his user why can't Luca have a Stand that has no ability other than digging holes?
Hey Ya at least gives advice and just seems like a cool dude overall
@@TuskyBaby Hey Ya is just serotonin as a Stand lmao
Adding onto the explanation of not all Passione members being stand users, even if Polpo's test WAS the only way to join there would still be members without any stands, since those taking the test aren't stabbed with the stand arrow unless they fail the initial task that's assigned to them.
Passione is an organization that controls every part of Italy, while Polpo only lived in a prison in Naples. Other than asking Polpo for the test, there are surely some other ways to join Passione.
Let's suppose that asking Polpo for the test is the only way people can join Passione. Since Polpo can't get out of the prison (for obvious reasons), every new member of Passione would have to travel to Naples and go there. Passione would be MUCH weaker than how it was.
@@likestriscia9190 Yes, I'm aware, this is just a hypothetical scenario I've come up with to show how stupid the idea of all Passione members having stands really is.
@@dr.loboto1171 Yep!
I hope to one day be solely responsible for one of these entries
Honestly, thanks for all the videos they make me happy and love your content
Also, I'm not sure if it's been answered yet in the manga, but in the alternate universe, we see dio with the world and johnny with Act 2. Does that mean that the original dio in sbr had the world but not awakened
I would say probably not. One small change like eating cereal for breakfast instead of a sandwich would be enough to cause a split in the timeline and thus an alternate universe where you did eat a sandwich. Most likely one of the changes in that alt universe was Diego having The World. Sure he could have it dormant in the base unvierse but there's really nothing pointing to it
Wasn't it just that they were two separate Diegos? I don't think it said anything about it just being dormant but I haven't read it in 3 years so feel free to correct me
My suppose is:
Every Diego has LEGALLY The World as Main Stand BUT in the case of SBR it's different because Diego was under the effect of Scary Monsters. What I think is, when Diego got the eye he was still a dinosaur controlled by Ferdinand, the contact with the eye made The World of Diego change into Scary Monsters becoming his main stand. Yeah, there's the thing that every universe can differs for little things but still The World is the Stand of Dio in every way, was just rewrited into another one for the power of the corpse.
Tl:dr: STAND SLOT TAKEN, CANNOT TAKE THE WORLD:ALTERNATE UNIVERSE
i would like to know, how was polnareff part 5 wearing different clothes? because when we see him in flash back he wears his old clothes.
Take a shot everytime he says "Not what happened at all"
9:50 I think this comment is referring to how when Crazy Diamond punches Josuke’s upperclassmen, only it’s arm is shown.
However, we see multiple instances both before and after when already fully formed stands are able to have only their arms manifested, such as when Star Platinum stopped Jotaro from shooting himself while he’s in jail, Jotaro uses only Star Platinum’s arm to steal the bangle in the Lovers arc, or when Giorno only deploys the arm of Gold Experience to turn Polpo’s gun into a banana
Man huge props to you honestly this series makes me appreciate Jojo even more with all the minor attention to detail and consistency
9:52 they're probably referring to the anime where josuke only uses crazy diamond's arm to punch the bully and jotaro before using the whole stand when he saw that just an arm won't be enough to beat jotaro
12:49 It feels crazy to see animated Stone Ocean clips during your explanations now
Hamon Beat is GOATED for Jojo content on YT!!!!
I may have dreamt this, but I’m pretty sure Kars explicitly stated that the reason he respects plants and animals so much is that they are capable of things he is not. That dog could go in the sun, make noises he can’t, procreate with another dog, etc. But once he becomes the ultimate life form he can do anything any other earth organism can, so he doesnt feel the need to respect them. This could just be a headcanon because I last watched part 2 like 6 years ago
Is this implying kars low key wants to procreate with dogs
I appreciate doing these in Part order. As I haven't read part 7 or 8 yet, it made the video watching experience more pleasant ❤️ thank you
Make sure to get reading buddy 👍especially with jojolands starting to come out
Araki forgot to give this man a raise
19:33 This is my favorite one. No explanation needed lol
FINALLY ive been waiting for this for such a long time, i love this series
Cant wait for the part 9 araki forgots
We already have one: Araki forgot to make Jodio gay
0:52 It could also be that he protected the flowers and the dog because he respected them, because they could do things he couldn't do, unlike with humans whom he'd already surpassed, so when he became the ultimate lifeform he had lost all the respect for other forms of life since he could now do everything they could and more
9:45 it probably means when during Josuke's introduction anime he manifested Crazy Diamond's arm to punch the bully. But this dumbass forgets that partially manifesting a Stand is something possible, like during the Geb fight when Jotaro only manifested Star Platinum's legs to kick himself upwards
That makes more sense than Hamon Beat's explanation. His feels like "Kars decides to be evil, just because" Or "the mask suddenly changes his personality despite no real setup for this, or even a confirmation from the story itself". Like I understand what he is trying to convey, but it doesn't feel like its something that is tangible as a part of the story. As it goes in Battle Tendency, Kars is hiding his true personality of a trickster, and thus is able to easily defeat Lisa Lisa, and not fall for Joseph's tricks. But in order to hide this surprise reveal of his true personality, Araki writes him very composed and mysterious, and it seems he also added those scenes of protection to further obfuscate his true character. So I think it might just be a messy setup for his character.
@@GBDupree no. He probably meant it as in: "Kars' desire for power led him to disregard his previous principals until he got so currupted that he fully became a monster". And with Will Zeppeli's father it could be like: "The power of the mask overwhelmed him to the point that it drove him insane"
@@deadcool3227 I know, but what I meant was that it doesn't feel substantiated enough in the story to fell like anything more than a simple explanation like "just because". Whereas Zeppelli's story at least makes sense with that interpretation because of the info provided could imply that already. But nothing really makes it seem like Kars had a change in personality for those reasons. If that makes sense?
I'm having a hard time finding the proper words to describe this, I've never been the best at explaining things. But hopefully it makes sense. I don't mean to sound like I think he was purposefully handwaving it away, but that was the best he could think of at the time, but it wasn't convincing enough to me. Especially when his explanations usually feel more solid and grounded in material from the series.
Basically, he could be right, but only with the context you provided does it feel like that could be an actual intention with the character.
0:26 Didn't realize Kars was respectable like Wamuu albeit to a lesser degree.
12:42 I was so confused about that whole scenario until now.
It's always a great day when Hamon Beat uploads.
Your videos are so relaxing and entertaining
Yet another episode of “Hamon Beat vs NPC’s”
Depending on when the TSKR episode with Mikitaka takes place, it could also be that Rohan has already learnt not to intrude on people's privacy without permission
13:50
My headcannon is that the effects of time stop follow laws of causality so they propagate at the speed of light, and that pucci slowed down the time it took for the effects of time stop to work
I remember dropping Part 6 cause I was spoiled on the ending, people told me it ends with Pucci winning and the universe gets reset into the Part 7 universe. I couldn't read anymore cause I thought that was the most dog shit ending.
Then I read it anyways and fucking loved the ending cause it's so much more meaningful and happy then anyone on the Internet made it seem.
Genuinely, those last arcs of stone ocean are just amazing
This is why I hate this community, they seem to be very eager about trying to spoil the experience to anyone who's new to the series
that's also just a wrong spoiler, he doesn't win and it isn't the part 7 universe.
I always interpreted Kars seemingly abandoning his respect for nature and other lifeforms as that his respect for other living things on Earth stemmed from that other living things could do things that he as a pillar man could not. Like how plants could photosynthesize, or how some creatures can fly etc. etc. Despite how insignificant it could seem, there was usually some innate trait or skill an animal or plant could have that could make it "better" than him and by extension he couldn't imagine himself being above them in any regard. However when he became the ultimate life form he now embodies the powers of all life on Earth. All life is below him now
10:01 I think they might've misunderstood what Bucciarati was telling to Giorno
I remember Bucciarati telling him how the other members are also Stand users or something along those lines, but he was specifically referring to his own team and the person that commented probably thought Bucciarati referred to the entire Passione
Ok so i have this question, when Kira got struck by the arrow he gained bites the dust and time rewinded, however later it’s stated that he needs to put the tertiary bomb on a person (Hayato) and then have that person be interrogated about Kira for it to explote and rewind time. How did time rewind the first time if he didn’t put the bomb on a person and nothing blew up? Did being in contact with the arrow temporally buff the ability? Is it an anime only thing?
I don’t think this is an Araki forgot but this always confused me.
Btw my main language isn’t English so sorry for misspelling
Maybe he was able to put it on Hayato since he was alive in the past? I assume that placing Bites the Dust on someone also rewinds time, since Kira tried to activate it later expecting to go back in time. That might be a bit of a contrived explanation, but it kinda fits.
that anime style tusk in the thumbnail is so good bro I need part 7 asap
19:32 had me fucking cackling
Basic types:
"arakiforgor a plot point that I made up! How are you gonna explain that??"
"I haven't read the explicit explanations throughout the story, how can a writer fail the fans so much??
"Why the rats in part four didn't appear at least another 5 times?? Jotaro could have exploded them with star finger every time, there was so much lead-up to it..."
"Piccollo G has burned his ass, and not even once has he pulled down his pants to show the burn! It was forgotten..."
"An everyday object has been inhabited by a stand, so why it didn't become invisible and phase-through??"
"I don't believe Araki a word of those interviews... And he is also forgetful, he told so himself in an interview!"
About Polpo's test, and why not everyone in Passione is a stand user.
The test is to weed out the unworthy. Three things can happen with a result of the test
The lighter gets relit, and you get stabbed by the arrow and are killed, as you are unworthy.
The lighter gets relit, and you get stabbed by the arrow and gain a stand, and join the gang.
OR
you actually keep the lighter lit, and you join the gang, typically as someone less hands-on, (i.e. intel)
I love your vids. You shed light on all these questions and now, the whole 'Uraki forgets' is debunked and maybe he only forgot one or two things
Why didnt jotaro use star finger to save kira from the ghost ally
Repost: I have a question I'd love to see your take on: How come Killer Queen just happens to have a stomach compartment in which to store stray cat? Stray Cat isn't Kira's stand so how does it get summoned with (within) Killer Queen? Is that an extra ability Killer Queen has? Or can all Stands do this to a certain extent? It's literally the only thing that I think doesn't make much sense in JoJo
I think that's explained by the fact that Stands are made of raw energy, and Stand users can manipulate that energy to some extent for minor shapeshifting. For example, when Star Finger was first used way back in Part 3, it was directly explained that Jotaro condensed his Stand's energy into those fingers. Later on, Kakyoin and Polnareff shrink their Stands against Lovers by decreasing the normal amount of energy that usually goes into their Stands.
Kakyoin even explains in that exact scene that the Stands can shrink thanks to being made of spirit energy, and Steely Dan himself admits that Lovers is so tiny because it barely has any spiritual energy to its name. On the opposite side, Joseph and Avdol speculate that Strength (the orangutan's Stand) is massive because the orangutan had huge amounts of energy to put into it. This logically means that a Stand's shape and size is partly dependent on the amount of spiritual power that the user wields in his/her soul.
Considering that Kira knows his own Stand inside-out thanks to his skill with it, as well as his father's own advice on Stands, it's likely that Kira also figured this out. This could have allowed Kira to make minor adjustments to the body of his Stand, including the addition of a small stomach compartment just big enough that Stray Cat can fit into it. Not sure how Stray Cat is summoned _alongside_ Killer Queen when Kira materializes Killer Queen, though. That one has me stumped for now.
@@mrreyes5004 I like your answer a lot, and I agree. But the summoning bit, yeah, makes no sense. Unless he never unsummoned KQ after getting stray cat in it, but I'm pretty sure he does?
I'll be awhile, but I can't wait to see the Araki Forgot for Part 9
As usual, so good and so accurate with everything.
Ahh yes my jojology lesson again
i like how half of these is "it never said that"
My guess where this idea of Black Sabbath teleporting into shadows might have come from people mistaking clash aka crush the fish stand who can teleport to any liquid source as long it is open body and not closed off.
8:01 what he's talking about there is how kira block one i repeat ONE of star platinum's punches
however the punch isn't even a punch it's more of a lovetap
Average JoJo fan:
*sigh* "I wish I could read"
Are you beating the hamon or is the hamon beating you?
Hamon beats, the false information about jojos
Hamon beats the meat 😳
obsessed with these videos
Your explanation for Kars was spot on. I always thought that was a pretty important detail about his character.
im just amazed there are still enough things to make a 24 minute long video on
6:00 “ your so stupid “
7:42 I think the commenter was referring to the scene before when Killer Queen was about to strike at Koichi but Jotaro came up from behind and threw a punch which KQ was able to block in time
9:47 I also think they were referring to the beginning of Part 4 when crazy Diamond’s arm only appeared. Maybe it was Araki not trying to spoil his stand design early and wanted to hype it up before revealing his full design?
19:33 One of the funniest debunking’s imo