See this is why Araki usually inserts these random info dumps explaining hyper specific things, because when he doesn't there's a large chunk of readers who wont understand
@@Xenunnaki a great example of this is part 6 when anasui just has a complete understanding of assassination Feng sui and explains how it works perfectly without explanation as to how or why he knows it.
It's weird how none of them ever thought to Google it just to see. I did and it was honestly pretty interesting all in all. It's how a lot of apples are grown.
The best part of the Araki Forgot series is when Hamon Beat starts a sentence with "This person seems to be unaware". You know he's about to thoroughly roast them
I laughed when that person said you cant graft trees. Grafting is the only way to reproduce specific types of apples. If you planted the seeds of an apple and they actually came to grow, the apples wouldnt be the same. The seeds carry a hybrid of the trees apples and whatever other tree pollinated it.
@@awkwardcultism yea I had apple trees growing up. That being said its classic the dunning kruger effect. I wouldn't say something as definitive as what they said assuming I know more than I do. At least I would try and do some research to make sure.
Seriously I'm just a hobby gardener at best and even I already have crafted trees. Only like three times in my whole life but still, it's not uncommon at all and depending on what trees you are crafting something even a beginner can do once they learned the basics.
Not at all. She even has full knowledge about the fruit, that would be impossible if she just randomly went up to them to take a picture. I'm generaly completely against the notion of Araki forgot, much like Hamon beat, but with Jojolion Araki clarly had other intentions at the beginning of the part (unkown man, bite marks, equivalent exchange, norisuke villain, yagiyama saying he killed josuke with his own hands before, etc) but then changed his mind later.
@@red1bk190 I mean let's be real If your had to keep your youngest daughter alone with a man you had just met for the first time, and nobody even knew he existed until now, you'd be highly protective of her too
@@hilotakenaka that's the whole point of it being a contradiction to his later appearances. He wasn't protective of her, he was willing to let josuke have his way with her if it meant making josuke his slave, something that Norisuke himself later contractics saying he wants what is best for josuke and that he is like his own son. And before you say this is because he grew fond of Josuke, this was before he and josuke had any sort of interaction.
My thoughts on Flashback Man. Araki wanted Damo to be a menacing, sexy villain as is his usual, but then he watched American Hustle and rewrote him to be Christian Bales character
Actually yeah, lol, tooru was around in the 1940s so him being 89 is completely possible lol. In reality he probably just copied his real age for the fake Satoru paperwork
Honestly, both of the Stands in both of the universes are just killing her, so it's useless to name it. Why would you name something that killing you slowly?
23:20 I never thought about, being an Arborist's son, that people simply wouldn't know what grafting is. I guess many average people who don't work with them know very little about trees firsthand
@@dooplon5083 - I probably won't persue a career in trees, but theres so much to know about trees. Its good to know about them, to help keep the environment healthy, and cos they're just great👍
@@chicoti3 a lot of this is explained and backed up with direct sources from the manga tho. Hamon also notes when something is just his take, but mostly these explainations are as "right" as they can be
Yknow, once I actually read the manga for all of these parts, I realize that when people say things like "Who is the woman in the trash can?" they are literally not even reading it. we JUST SPENT AN ENTIRE CHAPTER WITH HER. yet there are still people that just don't read the manga properly & assume there are errors everywhere when in reality they're just skipping pages.
0:58-Yasuho's Kiss 1:40-Wall Eyes 4:03-Bite Marks 5:13-Flashback Man 7:05-Trashcan Nudity 7:47-Higashikata Book Logo 9:00-Daiya's Leg 9:43-Holly Is A Stand User(?) 11:02-Josuke's Talent 11:26-Born This Way Stand Contact 11:58-Saint's Corpse 12:56-Johnny's Death 13:37-Bling Baby 15:43-Perverted Tsurugi And Bunker 18:26-Yotsuyu's Ability 19:17-Locacaca Old Design 20:00-Jobin Norisuke V 20:38-Karera Never Returned 21:44-Josefumi's birthmark(the birthmark was removed in the re-release) 22:35-Kira doesn't know Karera 23:12-Fans Don't Know Grafting 23:54-Killer Queen Ability 24:23-Josuke's Creation 25:11-New Locacaca 25:41-Wall Eyes Earthquake Protection 26:24-Milagro Man And Curses 27:50-Security Camera Man Is Jobin 28:11-Dolomité's Origins 29:05-Josuke's Shoes 29:20-Blue Hawaii's Ability 29:59-Speed King's Hidden Abilities 30:33-Mamezuku's Fingers 31:08-Speed King Kills 31:40-Josuke Is A Fugitive 32:23-Tsurugi Is Not The Culprit 33:01-Enya and Ermés Cameo 34:23-Journalist 35:10-Original Satoru Akefu 35:51-Go Beyond! 38:07-Chapter 83 Flashforward 40:16-Higashikata Curse
Bite marks may be an activator for stands. Like arrows, but it makes unconscious stand state to conscious state. Before bite none of three characters can control their stands. Like, Yasuho had a stand in childhood, but she starting realize of having such powers only after bite
12:45 - Idk why anybody thinks the corpse was actually sealed. Clearly Lucy left it open after killing Diego. It's incredibly obvious by her speech and body language
Hot Summer Martha felt like Araki just venting out on what he did on JoJolion like that story was about Rohan not feeling that 6 months have passed and he wasn't content with it which was indirectly responsible by Covid so I can understand why the last parts of Jojolion felt like he rushed it or he forgot a lot of stuff
Definitely, the last few chapters didn’t feel quite as engaging as the ones before. I imagine that the whole flashback side story probably could’ve at least had a few more chapters if Araki wasn’t stressed out by covid
@@ghostfaceinyourbathroom2190 Weird because I actually think Radio Gaga is one of the more fleshed out parts of the finale of JoJolion, Joseph has been teased throughout the part and so did Lucy. Them appearing and connecting the events of Part 7 and 8 (which are centuries apart) is one of the best parts of the finale It's the whole Tooru stuff that feels weirds for me at least though I still like him more than I should be
@@SoulBro12 I agree, radio gaga was one of the few parts of the jojolion ending I enjoyed. I hate that Holy wasn't saved in the end, it makes so Kei(Kyou? I never get her name right) died for nothing.
What? Who even thought of saying that "Araki forgot" when it comes to Diego's throwaway line about the vault being unreachable for 80 years? Do these people seriously forget that Tusk Act 4 pretty much has infinite power thanks to the golden spin?
Also regarding Johnny's death. I've always accepted the explanation that he got killed by a boulder because he tried shoot (or rather pursue) the curse/calamity which reacts by killing him, You even eventually explained that Wonder of U itself is a power that always existed and it is very much linked with Calamity so why wouldn't the boulder be a part of that same Calamity? I know the Autumn leaves somehow contributed to it but Autumn leaves doesn't appear a stand that attacks back, I was under the impression that Autumn leaves was affected by calamity as well to kill Johnny or perhaps is there a misunderstanding?
It’s the leaves that made the rock move onto his head and kill him. The whole idea of the stand is that it can move things touching the leaves a great distance forward. Since the rock was touching the leaves as it gained the stand, the rock moved forward and crushed him
@@aspiretobe7320 I think many of the people saying it was caused by calamity are aware of that, as the one-shot theory goes more in depth on. Autumn Leaves transports the boulder, but the creation of Autumn Leaves either up to where the boulder was, or the boulder rolling onto the affected area, is, in the theory, attributed to the flow of calamity attacking Johnny in retaliation. His spin, existing beyond reality and time, allegedly is what finally enables Go Beyond, and the eventual defeat of Calamity via Wonder of U. It's a pretty interesting concept, honestly.
Ehh the flashback man being Yotsuyu doesn't sit well with me. Early jojolion puts so much emphasis on Josuke being obsessed over reclaiming his identity and memories. Considering flashback man was his one and only memory from the past, he would have obviously recognized yotsuyu if he was supposed to be the flashback man. I think Araki just decided to not pursue this plot point and retconned it with the several instances where Josuke says he has no memories of his previous lives.
This sorta works with Tooru's thinking that at the end of one's life, all that's left are dreams (in this case, possibly flashback man) and memories I think the flashback man might be someone important like Kira Yoshiteru, but it's impossible to say He was only there for that one chapter Perhaps part 9 will clarify this further
I love when people get cocky in these episodes, especially when their "Araki Forgot" is as easy as just opening your eyes and looking at the manga. "I got one you can't disprove! How did Josuke get his new shoes?" "From the shoe-store on Page 1." Anyway, good job! Love this series.
Also some of them are just plain dumb, like saying why didn't Jotaro used star finger more when it was clearly a weak ability with little benefit that wouldn't sped up any fight
The first Araki forgot reminds me of a quote from Community "Because you started having sex with Britta's ex-boyfriend" "What? We haven't even kissed!" "That doesn't mean you're not having sex"
Eh I'd say less an Araki forgot and more an Araki fucked up cuz it could've been an error to begin with, that is unless he ends up explaining his plans changed buuuut who knows
@@thefruitman3200 forgetting and making a mistake is different, Araki has had Lisa Lisa accidentally depicted with a Joestar birthmark as well, mistakes are bound to happen at some points.
(Edit:) Okay, I just found out that in later editions, the birthmark is removed. Maybe when it first appeared, it was an oversight but I also get the feeling that Araki had a different direction for Josefumi. I guess my interpretation is mooted. I am admittedly disappointed because I feel like it Jojolion would've been thematically stronger if Josefumi is an illegitimate Joestar but hey, I care more if Araki fufills his vision. (original:) I thought it's rather implied with how Josefumi is a Joestar since the last few chapters. It has been revealed that Fumi is in fact Joseph Joestar and it was shown that before he left to America and being stuck there, he had a Japanese girlfriend who he deeply cared for and he told her to wait before he returns only to never come back. I don't have any evidence the girl is a Kujo or that they ever slept together but considering how in the original universe Joseph had an affair with a Japanese woman to later have Josuke wouldn't be too far off. It would explain how Josefumi is a Joestar I might be wrong but why else would Araki even bother bringing up that he has a girlfriend and then have it that they never got together again and Joseph starts a family with a different person?
Thiking about it again, its still a possibility. Sure Josefumi's granddad might have found the sandals and named him after it but it's likely that probably Joseph's ex had a son (Joseph's side) and made sweet love to Josefumi's mom thus leading to Josefumi's birth. Just as Araki emphasized so much on the sandal, so did he emphasize on the girlfriend and being an aspiring writer myself, it must be something important, otherwise it's a waste of time to even mention or show that Joseph has a girlfriend.
11:28 I always took this as Josuke using Soft and Wet to push back, and his stand is just around his body like how Jotaro uses SP to jump during the fight with Dio. You can see S&W right next to Josuke at 11:50. As for the stands interacting with people and objects, I always saw it as a one way sort of thing. Stands can interact with people if the user wants them to, but not the other way around, since stands are purely spiritual in nature. That's just my take imo.
I know its a year ago but stands only being hurt or interacted by stands is something that's basically only just stated, stands have been stabbed with objects and other stuff before. It isn't really an Araki Forgot moment but it's so incredibly inconsistent that this explanation of stands having a form that can or can't be touched makee a lot more sense, mista's stand has also shot bullets at stands before which would be useless since the gun isn't the stand itself. It's very inconsistent so trying to make sense of it is almost impossible
Man, I can't even imagine how time-consuming the whole production of this debunk was! Just wanted to say a big "Thanks" for the colossal work that you've dedicated to every part of this community, you've made a huge impact to many, including myself ❤ It's a BASED work as always
You took the words right out of my mouth. Although I put the blame more on the people that straight up don't read/watch Jojo and instead just watch meme vids/clips on youtube, and read youtube comments. So many people just deadass don't know what they're talking about.
23:08 Lol so it implies this image is just Karera creeping up on the two minding their own business and her just taking a selfie with them with Kira just trying to ignore her XD.
@@Duothimirif it was removed it's because Araki asked for it to be removed. Obviously because it was either a mistake or a dropped plot point and so when the chapters were going to be reprinted Araki would have told his editor "hey could you remove this? I didn't end up going anywhere with it so no point leaving it there as a point of confusion" Because contrary to what Hamon Beat would have you believe, Araki is a normal human who can change his mind and drop plot points like literally every other Mangaka and writer in existence
Flashback Man literally couldn't be anyone we've seen though. The entire point of Gappy is that he doesn't have any memories. From what I recall he doesn't have any other experiences like this, meaning this is (most likely) a dropped plot point.
Absolutely 100% agree with you. Almost every manga and the respectful Mangaka have some kind of dropped plotline or changed concepts mid story. Araki is not immune to the common human phenomenon of changing his mind and it kinda peeves me that Hamon Beat pretty much constantly acts under the assumption that for some reason every last detail of a part is planned out from the very beginning.
Another possibility for the flashback man was that he was just meant to represent Josuke thinking he could get his memories back since that's usually what happens with amnesia plotlines. If he does end up being an actual character I doubt it would've been one we saw in part 8 since Josuke never mentions that any of the characters he meets are familiar to him. He might be connected to the blessings of the earth or be some other important character to part 9's plot, but I don't think it's very likely since the flashback shows Josuke himself being the one meeting the flashback man which would've been impossible unless he managed to climb out of the ground, find a shirt, see the flashback man, then get undressed and climb under the rubble again which is possible but unlikely.
Or it was a vision into a future event that Araki dropped or something like that. Just like how Johnny saw Jesus in part 7, and so did blackmore, and kaato saw the shrine in a vision with the strong wind blowing.
It reminded me most of Flashback Person in Part 4 that was written off as a total coincidence, but *really* seemed like it was the result of some sort of time-travelling Josuke saving himself from being stranded in the snow.
@@zetsubanned4308 ehhh part 4 flashback man was just a way to explain why Josuke is so defensive about his out of date haircut, Araki even talked about that in an interview around that time. Hopefully we might get an interview about part 8 sometime in the future but who knows.
hmm maybe, tbh if it's a character we know it could be a vision of Johnny as a saint but if that were the case I feel like he would either come back more often or have more design similarities with him
Part 8 will probably forever be my favorite part despite how some might feel about it. I love seeing how the product of Johnnys sacrifices have affected the world.
i saw one theory that maybe the "bite marks" from the wall eyes are actually just more miniature "wall eyes" opening up on the skin of people with stand potential if they get close
I think someone made a theory about a possible link between Go Beyond and Johnny's last attack. Much like how Tusk ACT 4's infinite spin pursue the target forever, it tracked the Calamity responsible for the curse, indirectly causing the miracle of Josuke and all the necessary coincidences to lead for an opening at Wonder of U. This is a huge interpretation, and I don't know if Araki would actually think this far, but if anything, it's kind of a poetic victory for Johnny, sacrificing himself in order to get one shot at the curse.
I mean the spin has its own gravity which leads it to being not of their world but its own, which is how it broke down D4C's dimensional barriers Also considering part 7 also used the word "worlds" when refering to dimensions, yeah, tbh this was more of a translation issue because who tf uses "worlds", Dimension is more used, which is also why Go Beyond felt weirder than it should tbh since it really just functions the same as act 4's spin just not controlled The spin has its own gravity which follows its own dimensional rules, which is why it could move in Diegl's time stop, and compete against Love Train's dimensional walls, the latter being like 2 magnets, following this idea, Go Beyond adhering to its own logic instead of the logic of WOU makes sense, its not of their dimension Honestly if part 7 and 8 used the word "dimension" instead of "worlds" it wouldnt get so much slack, since it was always there from chapter 1, and it fit's josuke as he is one that shouldnt exist, his existence is a miracle of coincidence
I was quite interested in the flashback man, the child with jewelery and the flash forward. Im actually quite happy with your explanation. Not sure about the flashback man, since Josuke never mentioned that he has seen Yotsuuyu in his flashback, but we might get an anwser in the future with the anime as mentioned in the video
@@MisterIncog Yeah, but I have absolutely no idea how you would be able to understand that when reading through the manga normally. It’s still a weird little moment, and makes no sense out of the context Hamon Beat gives.
@@MoreColtraneChanges well, literature can be vague oftentimes… It’s not that hard in comparison to something like numerical symbolism in Dostoyevsky’s books, for example
To me it doesn't look like intelect. To me it looks like probably exhaustive research to insane levels and a lot of help from other people, which I think is more commendable. Tho not being dumb probably helped with that too.
thank you for clearing up the purpose of that baby washing up on shore. Its been the mystery i wanted an answer to most (i thought it was going to be how Poor Tom or Tooru arrived to Morioh) but the Saint miracles and the flow makes sense. Still hope that dripped out baby comes back somehow.
Hamon, i just wanted to say i really admire what you do in this channel thanks for everything. Stopping big misinfos in a community widely and going deeper on topics of Jojo isnt something little. Great video as always :)
I thought flashback man was gonna be Jobin minus his hairpin & it was gonna be some hint of a meeting between him and Kira prior to his death. Both are on a mission to protect their family, after all
phenomenal video, as always. this all really makes me believe that Wonder of U is a regional manifestation of calamity tied to Morioh because of Johnny's indirect creation of the wall eyes. Just like residents were able to harness the saints corpse power to awake stands, their counterparts, the rock humans, finally had a user who managed to harness calamity from the land
"How did he get new shoes? You can't explain that!!" "Here we have proof he did the most boring and obvious thing possible - he literally _went to the shoe store_ and _bought_ new ones."
There hasn't been a Jojo part yet (aside from part 1 for obvious reasons) that hasn't brought back and elaborated on plot details or characters from the previous part. There's almost a zero percent chance Araki hasn't left some stuff unsaid in Jojolion so he can bring it back in Jojolands. Most notably, Josuke obviously still wants to cure his mother (Holy) and he mentioned something about islands in the south sea (maybe a reference to the Hawaii of Jojolands?)
@@fatcat2093 you miss 100s of references to the original universe if you skip the first 6 parts. While you don’t need to understand these references to enjoy the SBRverse, it makes part 7 and 8 that much better when you do understand the references. Also my comment was mainly referring to the original 6 parts.
People who skips whole parts are missing vital information so it's their fault if they don't understand something. It's not optional to skip 1-2 unless you want to be thoroughly confused and miss out on 2 really fun stories.
13:08 HOLY CORPSE! I GOT IN THE VIDEO WOOOO! thanks for clearing that up Hamon no offense taken! It just hurts to see Johnny killed so suddenly like that! norisuke in the bodybag with tsurugi? where was that going??? hopefully hamon covers that up!
Not necessarily. If Araki redisigned the character he may have decided to just ignore the flashback instead of confusing the reader by refering to a flashback with what appears to be a different character.
Yeah plus Araki decided later that Josuke *could never* access his memories ever again, that they were gone and he was essentially a new person, and that's a really important fact for his character arc and the themes of the story. So really he should't have been able to flashback at all, and we should consider the flashback retconned out and hope they skip it in the anime.
Honestly Araki just retconned Flashback man Part 8 isnt perfect, for me the main issues are the middle with Guerilla and Hawaii, Flashback man being retconned (unless Araki does some crazy shit and puts him in part 9) and Kei being wasted so much
Oh I have been looking forward to this! There has been so much misinformation about this part spread around and it is gonna be great to have some clear explanation!
This video motivated me to finally finish JoJolion, so I smashed it out from start to finish. Watching this was a great way to put the cherry on the sundae. Thanks very much for an awesome video and helping clear up a few questions that I had rattling around.
I was honestly pretty mixed about jojolions ending but this helped change my opinion a bit. It’s easier to see the themes that araki was going for now when taking a big look back at it like thisz
I have never really bought into the idea that The Flashback Man is an early design for a different character. Putting aside that he's never connected to a future character, I don't think it's like Araki to completely redesign a character later on and not keep some similar elements. The best example I can think of is Mitsuba, who reappeared way after we see her initially with a new design, but their hair is at least similar enough to signal that they are the same. Meanwhile, no one else in the story looks like FBM. Having Damo, Yotsuyu, or anyone be FBM doesn't sit right. Personally, I think he was a part of a plotline that Araki was planning for JJL, and for whatever reason he had to scrap both. Maybe if Part 9 is a continuation of 8, he'll come up again. If he doesn't, then I hope the anime just gets rid of him to spare the audience from waiting for a reveal that will never happen.
@@azadrahulp FBM looks nothing like Damo. And if they were the same, why wouldn't Josuke even think to himself that he's seen Damo before? Why would Araki lay out a tease for a character, and when that character is introduced, he doesn't connect them to the initial tease? And when would Josuke have seen Damo? It is his memory after all, not Kira's or Josefumi's, and Damo clearly has no idea who Josuke is when he met him initially. I just don't think FBM=Damo makes much sense or has much to stand on.
What if the bite marks are from the spirit of Johnny. While we dont know where his body is, his head was crushed by Autumn Leaves and was most likely absorbed and affected by the Wall Eyes. If Johnny is a Saint and operates similar to how Jesus did with those who were in contact with the Saint’s corpse, then maybe the only way he could make his presence known/bless them with awakening their powers was through biting them? I mean the bite-mark does appear around Josuke’s birthmark where Go Beyond appears from and it also utilizes the spin similarly to Tusk Act 4. And maybe the reason Yasuho was bitten was to allow her to pull Go Beyond through the phone. Joshu’s bite may have also allowed him to break the curse of the Milagro Man by awakening his stand, and since that chapter is meant to set up Wonder of U’s whole shtick it could also be foreshadowing at Josuke and Yasuho’s abilities being able to defeat Tooru.
In theory you had a good idea for Josefumi's birthmark, but with later reprintings of Part 8 removing it, I think we need to assume it was a genuine mistake.
jojo fans being unaware that tree grafting is a real thing and using that as an argument for a plothole is honestly hilarious
See this is why Araki usually inserts these random info dumps explaining hyper specific things, because when he doesn't there's a large chunk of readers who wont understand
@@Xenunnaki a great example of this is part 6 when anasui just has a complete understanding of assassination Feng sui and explains how it works perfectly without explanation as to how or why he knows it.
Apparently JoJo fans don't know how to google stuff before complaining
It's weird how none of them ever thought to Google it just to see. I did and it was honestly pretty interesting all in all. It's how a lot of apples are grown.
@@sarexui634 to be fair, now I have a complete understanding of assassination Feng Sui, so realistically he could just know
Araki doesn't forget, he refuses to elaborate further
Nah he still forgets a lot but some his writing is just extremely subtle
Chad Araki grindset
I refuse
@@SirNooboftheNoobEmpire DAGA KOTOWARU
@@popcultureoverdosed Obviously sometimes he does. It's just impossible to write month after month for years and not forget details.
The best part of the Araki Forgot series is when Hamon Beat starts a sentence with "This person seems to be unaware". You know he's about to thoroughly roast them
"Apparently, this is not the case..."
"This is a misunderstanding about how (x) works..."
@@mrfact03s TV
"this dude probably took a page from kars and stopped thinking"
“I honestly don’t understand how anyone could even think this.”
OBJECTION! Hermes was listed among rock humans due to her body's abnormal silicon content
Ha lol
Great jojke
What does that imply about Enya?
@@smproductions7141 prostesis maybe
@@smproductions7141 she was definitely hiding more than a second right hand
See you again in another 10 years for debunking araki forgot part 9 😁
how cute, you think part 9 will end in 10 years.
how cute, you think part 9 will end in 10 years.
how cute, you think part 9 will end in 10 years.
This is requiem ....
SHUT THE HELL UP YOUR DAMN ANNOYING!
I laughed when that person said you cant graft trees. Grafting is the only way to reproduce specific types of apples. If you planted the seeds of an apple and they actually came to grow, the apples wouldnt be the same. The seeds carry a hybrid of the trees apples and whatever other tree pollinated it.
To be fair, I was today days old when I learned about tree grafting.
@@awkwardcultism yea I had apple trees growing up. That being said its classic the dunning kruger effect. I wouldn't say something as definitive as what they said assuming I know more than I do. At least I would try and do some research to make sure.
Seriously I'm just a hobby gardener at best and even I already have crafted trees. Only like three times in my whole life but still, it's not uncommon at all and depending on what trees you are crafting something even a beginner can do once they learned the basics.
pearapples my beloved
Doesn’t this also happen with avocados? I’m pretty sure they also don’t grow true to seed
You know, the explanation with Karera’s photo is actually more in character with her than any other alternative.
Not at all. She even has full knowledge about the fruit, that would be impossible if she just randomly went up to them to take a picture. I'm generaly completely against the notion of Araki forgot, much like Hamon beat, but with Jojolion Araki clarly had other intentions at the beginning of the part (unkown man, bite marks, equivalent exchange, norisuke villain, yagiyama saying he killed josuke with his own hands before, etc) but then changed his mind later.
The way Kira doesn't notice but Josefumi does and looks at the camera and Karera trying to play it cool is totally in character lol
@@chicoti3 Norisuke villain? The only reasono for Norisuke acting villanous is because he was suspicious of Josuke's origins.
@@red1bk190 I mean let's be real
If your had to keep your youngest daughter alone with a man you had just met for the first time, and nobody even knew he existed until now, you'd be highly protective of her too
@@hilotakenaka that's the whole point of it being a contradiction to his later appearances. He wasn't protective of her, he was willing to let josuke have his way with her if it meant making josuke his slave, something that Norisuke himself later contractics saying he wants what is best for josuke and that he is like his own son.
And before you say this is because he grew fond of Josuke, this was before he and josuke had any sort of interaction.
My thoughts on Flashback Man. Araki wanted Damo to be a menacing, sexy villain as is his usual, but then he watched American Hustle and rewrote him to be Christian Bales character
”It happened that way because Araki saw it in a movie” feels like a very on-brand answer.
Lol
to be fair its not the first time a character has completely shifted body type, even for a villain. funny valentine
@@whoopingmuffin9700 that’s true though it makes more sense with valentine.
But Damo _is_ a menacing, sexy villain
When hamon beat said
'dododo de dadada'
I lost it💀 its just the tone of his voice and the way he says it
Edit: here's where he says it 19:00
true , he said it so casual
Time stamp?
First time I hear someone saying it so smoothly
Tetris beatbox starts playing in my head 💀
💀💀💀
You forgot the one question we're all asking...
Was the head doctor REALLY 89 years old!?
There's no way he's 89 years old
Actually yeah, lol, tooru was around in the 1940s so him being 89 is completely possible lol. In reality he probably just copied his real age for the fake Satoru paperwork
Fun Fact : "89 years old" can be read in Japanese as "Ya-Ku-Sai", which literally means "Calamity"
@@dooplon5083 my guy, it was a joke
Satoru Akefu should be in fact 89
Tooru also could be 89
Wonder of U who knows
I will never forgive Araki for not naming Holly Joestar's stand in both jojo universes.
Holy***
I know it seems weird, but if you listen closely to the English V.A.s, they're saying "Holy". It's also how it's spelled.
Honestly, both of the Stands in both of the universes are just killing her, so it's useless to name it. Why would you name something that killing you slowly?
@@margarethmichelina5146 *ahem* CRAZY DIAMOND DA *ahem*
@@rainboi5920 yeah but Josuke was an MC
@@juub5171 still, his stand was killing him before Dio got vaporized
23:20
I never thought about, being an Arborist's son, that people simply wouldn't know what grafting is. I guess many average people who don't work with them know very little about trees firsthand
I barely know anything about trees but it surprised me too lol, i guess I just got lucky learning about it early on if people like that are common.
@@dooplon5083 - I probably won't persue a career in trees, but theres so much to know about trees. Its good to know about them, to help keep the environment healthy, and cos they're just great👍
I only knew about it because there's an extensive passage about grafting in The Book of Mormon. Gotta graft those olive branches!
@@1PulseDawg1 - That's really Interesting. I haven't read the book of Mormon in years, where is it at?
@@УрошКалиниченко Jacob chapter 5. It's super long.
6:31 My theory was always that Josuke just merged Damo and Yagiyama in his brain during a vision because of the wall eyes combining memories
Thats a good one
Probably the same reason that his voice is so messed up
I love this theory.
@@FriedMonkey362whose voice is messed up?
Love how some of these are deep lore and some of these are basically explaining tree grafting
I know these are explained but some of the explanations are so outlandish and so precised that people can forget. JoJo can be complicated at times
Its not Araki forgets, Its more like Araki confuses me a Lot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
araki is just being araki
Don't forget this is just hamon's beat take on it, it doesn't mean he's right.
@@chicoti3 maybe this is true for 5% of this video
@@chicoti3 a lot of this is explained and backed up with direct sources from the manga tho. Hamon also notes when something is just his take, but mostly these explainations are as "right" as they can be
Yknow, once I actually read the manga for all of these parts, I realize that when people say things like "Who is the woman in the trash can?" they are literally not even reading it. we JUST SPENT AN ENTIRE CHAPTER WITH HER. yet there are still people that just don't read the manga properly & assume there are errors everywhere when in reality they're just skipping pages.
That surprised me too. You have to be ACTUALLY BLIND or an idiot not to understand what's going on.
I like how you actually go in depth when it comes to debunking JoJo parts. That type of dedication is what we need more of in this fandom.
I completely agree
@@theredhood7342 ikr
Some of these are very wrong tho
@@somethingelse4282 Mind listing a few examples?
@@somethingelse4282 yea, smartass give the wrong shits come on let it out
0:58-Yasuho's Kiss
1:40-Wall Eyes
4:03-Bite Marks
5:13-Flashback Man
7:05-Trashcan Nudity
7:47-Higashikata Book Logo
9:00-Daiya's Leg
9:43-Holly Is A Stand User(?)
11:02-Josuke's Talent
11:26-Born This Way Stand Contact
11:58-Saint's Corpse
12:56-Johnny's Death
13:37-Bling Baby
15:43-Perverted Tsurugi And Bunker
18:26-Yotsuyu's Ability
19:17-Locacaca Old Design
20:00-Jobin Norisuke V
20:38-Karera Never Returned
21:44-Josefumi's birthmark(the birthmark was removed in the re-release)
22:35-Kira doesn't know Karera
23:12-Fans Don't Know Grafting
23:54-Killer Queen Ability
24:23-Josuke's Creation
25:11-New Locacaca
25:41-Wall Eyes Earthquake Protection
26:24-Milagro Man And Curses
27:50-Security Camera Man Is Jobin
28:11-Dolomité's Origins
29:05-Josuke's Shoes
29:20-Blue Hawaii's Ability
29:59-Speed King's Hidden Abilities
30:33-Mamezuku's Fingers
31:08-Speed King Kills
31:40-Josuke Is A Fugitive
32:23-Tsurugi Is Not The Culprit
33:01-Enya and Ermés Cameo
34:23-Journalist
35:10-Original Satoru Akefu
35:51-Go Beyond!
38:07-Chapter 83 Flashforward
40:16-Higashikata Curse
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Bite marks may be an activator for stands. Like arrows, but it makes unconscious stand state to conscious state. Before bite none of three characters can control their stands. Like, Yasuho had a stand in childhood, but she starting realize of having such powers only after bite
That’s actually a pretty good suggestion also the miracle baby is gonna be the protagonist of part 9
That much is clear. The question is whose Vite marks they are. My guess: One of the two saints in Morioh.
@@spicypeperoni7501 a bold claim
@@spicypeperoni7501 the miracle baby would be over a hundred by part 9 tho
@@diansc7322 Yes it's finally time to let an elderly jojo to be the star
12:45 - Idk why anybody thinks the corpse was actually sealed. Clearly Lucy left it open after killing Diego. It's incredibly obvious by her speech and body language
It's not obviously for nothing lol
Hot Summer Martha felt like Araki just venting out on what he did on JoJolion like that story was about Rohan not feeling that 6 months have passed and he wasn't content with it which was indirectly responsible by Covid so I can understand why the last parts of Jojolion felt like he rushed it or he forgot a lot of stuff
Definitely, the last few chapters didn’t feel quite as engaging as the ones before. I imagine that the whole flashback side story probably could’ve at least had a few more chapters if Araki wasn’t stressed out by covid
@@ghostfaceinyourbathroom2190 Weird because I actually think Radio Gaga is one of the more fleshed out parts of the finale of JoJolion, Joseph has been teased throughout the part and so did Lucy. Them appearing and connecting the events of Part 7 and 8 (which are centuries apart) is one of the best parts of the finale
It's the whole Tooru stuff that feels weirds for me at least though I still like him more than I should be
@@SoulBro12 I agree, radio gaga was one of the few parts of the jojolion ending I enjoyed. I hate that Holy wasn't saved in the end, it makes so Kei(Kyou? I never get her name right) died for nothing.
That's true though.
@@chicoti3 Kei
What? Who even thought of saying that "Araki forgot" when it comes to Diego's throwaway line about the vault being unreachable for 80 years? Do these people seriously forget that Tusk Act 4 pretty much has infinite power thanks to the golden spin?
Who even thinks that Diego is a reliable source of information? He could be just flat-out wrong, for all we know.
Josuke can easiliy make holes to get there
@@SubjectSigma18 he can straight up teleport inside with act 3
it really is incredible that they can manage to remember the throway line but forget that the main character literally has superpowers.
@@SubjectSigma18 Josuke can steal the unreachability of the vault.
Also regarding Johnny's death.
I've always accepted the explanation that he got killed by a boulder because he tried shoot (or rather pursue) the curse/calamity which reacts by killing him, You even eventually explained that Wonder of U itself is a power that always existed and it is very much linked with Calamity so why wouldn't the boulder be a part of that same Calamity? I know the Autumn leaves somehow contributed to it but Autumn leaves doesn't appear a stand that attacks back, I was under the impression that Autumn leaves was affected by calamity as well to kill Johnny or perhaps is there a misunderstanding?
There is this vid about the "single shot theory" that explains the calamity that killed Johnny and how gravity and all that, it's a good vid.
@@benjamincharlton1388 yeah, seen that. that's where I got the idea, loved it
@@benjamincharlton1388 was about to comment with it but yeah you beat me to it. Good video
It’s the leaves that made the rock move onto his head and kill him. The whole idea of the stand is that it can move things touching the leaves a great distance forward. Since the rock was touching the leaves as it gained the stand, the rock moved forward and crushed him
@@aspiretobe7320 I think many of the people saying it was caused by calamity are aware of that, as the one-shot theory goes more in depth on. Autumn Leaves transports the boulder, but the creation of Autumn Leaves either up to where the boulder was, or the boulder rolling onto the affected area, is, in the theory, attributed to the flow of calamity attacking Johnny in retaliation. His spin, existing beyond reality and time, allegedly is what finally enables Go Beyond, and the eventual defeat of Calamity via Wonder of U.
It's a pretty interesting concept, honestly.
JoJo's fan upon seeing a woman: "who is this balless man?"
Yoshikage Kira after the equivalent exchange has literally zero balls
JoJo fans do not know what women are
They thought it was Yoshikage since Josuke took his balls
Ehh the flashback man being Yotsuyu doesn't sit well with me. Early jojolion puts so much emphasis on Josuke being obsessed over reclaiming his identity and memories. Considering flashback man was his one and only memory from the past, he would have obviously recognized yotsuyu if he was supposed to be the flashback man.
I think Araki just decided to not pursue this plot point and retconned it with the several instances where Josuke says he has no memories of his previous lives.
This sorta works with Tooru's thinking that at the end of one's life, all that's left are dreams (in this case, possibly flashback man) and memories
I think the flashback man might be someone important like Kira Yoshiteru, but it's impossible to say
He was only there for that one chapter
Perhaps part 9 will clarify this further
@@mrfact03s no need to be so toxic
I love when people get cocky in these episodes, especially when their "Araki Forgot" is as easy as just opening your eyes and looking at the manga.
"I got one you can't disprove! How did Josuke get his new shoes?"
"From the shoe-store on Page 1."
Anyway, good job! Love this series.
Also some of them are just plain dumb, like saying why didn't Jotaro used star finger more when it was clearly a weak ability with little benefit that wouldn't sped up any fight
@@shakkoryu bluds really think Jotaro could've just star-finger'd N'doul from 1 km away 💀💀💀💀
he even references buying the shoes when he breaks the locacaca tubes in the secret lab
I don't think they're trying to get a "aha!" moment, they're probably just genuinely confused. Jojo is pretty complex sometimes, after all.
The first Araki forgot reminds me of a quote from Community
"Because you started having sex with Britta's ex-boyfriend"
"What? We haven't even kissed!"
"That doesn't mean you're not having sex"
18:59 I can't believe this was the funniest shit I've heard in a while
"Such as the rock animal Dododo De Dadada 🗿"
21:45 after the newest reprints, it is confirmed to be an "Araki Forgot"
You can't say that because he never forget!!
Eh I'd say less an Araki forgot and more an Araki fucked up cuz it could've been an error to begin with, that is unless he ends up explaining his plans changed buuuut who knows
@@nuketeehee640that's basically forgetting isn't it?
@@thefruitman3200 forgetting and making a mistake is different, Araki has had Lisa Lisa accidentally depicted with a Joestar birthmark as well, mistakes are bound to happen at some points.
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Okay, I just found out that in later editions, the birthmark is removed. Maybe when it first appeared, it was an oversight but I also get the feeling that Araki had a different direction for Josefumi. I guess my interpretation is mooted. I am admittedly disappointed because I feel like it Jojolion would've been thematically stronger if Josefumi is an illegitimate Joestar but hey, I care more if Araki fufills his vision.
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I thought it's rather implied with how Josefumi is a Joestar since the last few chapters. It has been revealed that Fumi is in fact Joseph Joestar and it was shown that before he left to America and being stuck there, he had a Japanese girlfriend who he deeply cared for and he told her to wait before he returns only to never come back. I don't have any evidence the girl is a Kujo or that they ever slept together but considering how in the original universe Joseph had an affair with a Japanese woman to later have Josuke wouldn't be too far off. It would explain how Josefumi is a Joestar
I might be wrong but why else would Araki even bother bringing up that he has a girlfriend and then have it that they never got together again and Joseph starts a family with a different person?
especially with the similarities in the name it’s basically pronounced jospeh umi
Thiking about it again, its still a possibility. Sure Josefumi's granddad might have found the sandals and named him after it but it's likely that probably Joseph's ex had a son (Joseph's side) and made sweet love to Josefumi's mom thus leading to Josefumi's birth.
Just as Araki emphasized so much on the sandal, so did he emphasize on the girlfriend and being an aspiring writer myself, it must be something important, otherwise it's a waste of time to even mention or show that Joseph has a girlfriend.
Well we now know it was just a mistake
11:28 I always took this as Josuke using Soft and Wet to push back, and his stand is just around his body like how Jotaro uses SP to jump during the fight with Dio. You can see S&W right next to Josuke at 11:50.
As for the stands interacting with people and objects, I always saw it as a one way sort of thing. Stands can interact with people if the user wants them to, but not the other way around, since stands are purely spiritual in nature. That's just my take imo.
Then again, there's a scene where Jolyne (albeit via Stone Free, IIRC) flings a pen at Under World (Donatello Versus' Stand) and it pierces his neck.
@@najadamu2724 The pen was from Under World though.
I know its a year ago but stands only being hurt or interacted by stands is something that's basically only just stated, stands have been stabbed with objects and other stuff before. It isn't really an Araki Forgot moment but it's so incredibly inconsistent that this explanation of stands having a form that can or can't be touched makee a lot more sense, mista's stand has also shot bullets at stands before which would be useless since the gun isn't the stand itself. It's very inconsistent so trying to make sense of it is almost impossible
I got into jojo at the perfect time, finished jojolion very recently
Man, I can't even imagine how time-consuming the whole production of this debunk was!
Just wanted to say a big "Thanks" for the colossal work that you've dedicated to every part of this community, you've made a huge impact to many, including myself ❤
It's a BASED work as always
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40 minutes damn you know Hamon Beat is gonna go ham in this one. So many misconceptions in this part and I blame half ass youtubers and speedreaders.
and bad translations.
You took the words right out of my mouth. Although I put the blame more on the people that straight up don't read/watch Jojo and instead just watch meme vids/clips on youtube, and read youtube comments.
So many people just deadass don't know what they're talking about.
I blame bad translations and Araki himself, who clearly changed his mind midway through the part.
@@chicoti3 what do you mean “changed his mind?”.
@@chicoti3 what do you mean "changed his mind?".
23:08 Lol so it implies this image is just Karera creeping up on the two minding their own business and her just taking a selfie with them with Kira just trying to ignore her XD.
The wiki says that Josefumi's star was removed from recent reprints of the manga. That makes it a certified "Araki forgot" moment.
That's not even Araki's fault though
@@Duothimirif it was removed it's because Araki asked for it to be removed. Obviously because it was either a mistake or a dropped plot point and so when the chapters were going to be reprinted Araki would have told his editor "hey could you remove this? I didn't end up going anywhere with it so no point leaving it there as a point of confusion"
Because contrary to what Hamon Beat would have you believe, Araki is a normal human who can change his mind and drop plot points like literally every other Mangaka and writer in existence
at the time this was uploaded there wasnt an actual explanation until this year (2023) for that birthmark it was just a mistake lol
Araki changing his mind and dropping plot points is not forgetting.
Flashback Man literally couldn't be anyone we've seen though. The entire point of Gappy is that he doesn't have any memories. From what I recall he doesn't have any other experiences like this, meaning this is (most likely) a dropped plot point.
Absolutely 100% agree with you. Almost every manga and the respectful Mangaka have some kind of dropped plotline or changed concepts mid story.
Araki is not immune to the common human phenomenon of changing his mind and it kinda peeves me that Hamon Beat pretty much constantly acts under the assumption that for some reason every last detail of a part is planned out from the very beginning.
Another possibility for the flashback man was that he was just meant to represent Josuke thinking he could get his memories back since that's usually what happens with amnesia plotlines. If he does end up being an actual character I doubt it would've been one we saw in part 8 since Josuke never mentions that any of the characters he meets are familiar to him. He might be connected to the blessings of the earth or be some other important character to part 9's plot, but I don't think it's very likely since the flashback shows Josuke himself being the one meeting the flashback man which would've been impossible unless he managed to climb out of the ground, find a shirt, see the flashback man, then get undressed and climb under the rubble again which is possible but unlikely.
Or it was a vision into a future event that Araki dropped or something like that. Just like how Johnny saw Jesus in part 7, and so did blackmore, and kaato saw the shrine in a vision with the strong wind blowing.
It reminded me most of Flashback Person in Part 4 that was written off as a total coincidence, but *really* seemed like it was the result of some sort of time-travelling Josuke saving himself from being stranded in the snow.
@@zetsubanned4308 ehhh part 4 flashback man was just a way to explain why Josuke is so defensive about his out of date haircut, Araki even talked about that in an interview around that time. Hopefully we might get an interview about part 8 sometime in the future but who knows.
hmm maybe, tbh if it's a character we know it could be a vision of Johnny as a saint but if that were the case I feel like he would either come back more often or have more design similarities with him
Part 8 will probably forever be my favorite part despite how some might feel about it. I love seeing how the product of Johnnys sacrifices have affected the world.
SAME HEEE!
2nd favourite for me but YESS
It's funny because the Josefumi birthmark was actually just Araki forgetting
i saw one theory that maybe the "bite marks" from the wall eyes are actually just more miniature "wall eyes" opening up on the skin of people with stand potential if they get close
I like that
Well I don't believe that Flashback Man is another character, since Josuke would have obviously said "I know that man! I saw him in a vision!"
I think someone made a theory about a possible link between Go Beyond and Johnny's last attack. Much like how Tusk ACT 4's infinite spin pursue the target forever, it tracked the Calamity responsible for the curse, indirectly causing the miracle of Josuke and all the necessary coincidences to lead for an opening at Wonder of U. This is a huge interpretation, and I don't know if Araki would actually think this far, but if anything, it's kind of a poetic victory for Johnny, sacrificing himself in order to get one shot at the curse.
There is one. It's called the single shot theory.
I mean the spin has its own gravity which leads it to being not of their world but its own, which is how it broke down D4C's dimensional barriers
Also considering part 7 also used the word "worlds" when refering to dimensions, yeah, tbh this was more of a translation issue because who tf uses "worlds", Dimension is more used, which is also why Go Beyond felt weirder than it should tbh since it really just functions the same as act 4's spin just not controlled
The spin has its own gravity which follows its own dimensional rules, which is why it could move in Diegl's time stop, and compete against Love Train's dimensional walls, the latter being like 2 magnets, following this idea, Go Beyond adhering to its own logic instead of the logic of WOU makes sense, its not of their dimension
Honestly if part 7 and 8 used the word "dimension" instead of "worlds" it wouldnt get so much slack, since it was always there from chapter 1, and it fit's josuke as he is one that shouldnt exist, his existence is a miracle of coincidence
I was quite interested in the flashback man, the child with jewelery and the flash forward. Im actually quite happy with your explanation. Not sure about the flashback man, since Josuke never mentioned that he has seen Yotsuuyu in his flashback, but we might get an anwser in the future with the anime as mentioned in the video
The jewelry kid was explaining pretty well, don’t you think? Quite poetic
@@MisterIncog Yeah, but I have absolutely no idea how you would be able to understand that when reading through the manga normally. It’s still a weird little moment, and makes no sense out of the context Hamon Beat gives.
i think the baby is supposely poor tom, because the baby stated cant gain weight just like poor tom
@@MoreColtraneChanges well, literature can be vague oftentimes… It’s not that hard in comparison to something like numerical symbolism in Dostoyevsky’s books, for example
@@bmuhammadthariqhumaid4670 Poor tom is stated to be 57. Johnny died in 1900ish. Couldn't be possible if JoJolion takes place in 2011.
Or maybe Josefumi's birthmark is a tattoo in honor of Holly and Kira the two people who saved his life
I can't believe no one ever thought of this, this is definitely a possibility!
That’s a cool theory, but sadly it’s confirmed to be an Araki forgot
45 minutes of hamon beat unloading his superior intellect on us. this is what i subscribed for
To me it doesn't look like intelect. To me it looks like probably exhaustive research to insane levels and a lot of help from other people, which I think is more commendable. Tho not being dumb probably helped with that too.
@@PotatoKun01 i believe i was attempting to make a joke
@@caddydonstans116 Well I wouldn't know that would I
@@caddydonstans116 no you werent, you just like silly now
@Mattriones Well, you "like" silly too!
Hamon Beat is like the modern-day Greek chorus
thank you for clearing up the purpose of that baby washing up on shore. Its been the mystery i wanted an answer to most (i thought it was going to be how Poor Tom or Tooru arrived to Morioh) but the Saint miracles and the flow makes sense. Still hope that dripped out baby comes back somehow.
Bro I FORGOT. Reading jojolion month to month as it came out made me forget so many different things lmao
7:52 I believe the marking is a reference to Jethro Tull( Under Wraps)
One of the best things about Araki forgot is that Hamon Beat inadvertently provides a neat and clear full summary of that part in particular
Why didn't jotaro use star finger to kill the wonder of u?
Hamon, i just wanted to say i really admire what you do in this channel thanks for everything. Stopping big misinfos in a community widely and going deeper on topics of Jojo isnt something little. Great video as always :)
The topic you brought up that really taught me something new was the Tsurugi timer one
Just finished part 8 been waiting to watch this for a while
33:30 I like how Araki drew Sadako in there as part of "humans" as well
I thought flashback man was gonna be Jobin minus his hairpin & it was gonna be some hint of a meeting between him and Kira prior to his death. Both are on a mission to protect their family, after all
FINALLY HERE WE GO
44 MINUTE FEAST
Now THIS is what I’ve been waiting for.
having to say tree grafting is a real thing is so funny to me
phenomenal video, as always. this all really makes me believe that Wonder of U is a regional manifestation of calamity tied to Morioh because of Johnny's indirect creation of the wall eyes. Just like residents were able to harness the saints corpse power to awake stands, their counterparts, the rock humans, finally had a user who managed to harness calamity from the land
It’s wonderful to finally have a debunking video for every part
Holy moly a 40 minute vid from hamon beat?!
I gonna grab my popcorn for this
For Josefumi's birthmark, it was confirmed that it was a mistake, so thanks for the theory but its actually a forgot
"How did he get new shoes? You can't explain that!!"
"Here we have proof he did the most boring and obvious thing possible - he literally _went to the shoe store_ and _bought_ new ones."
There hasn't been a Jojo part yet (aside from part 1 for obvious reasons) that hasn't brought back and elaborated on plot details or characters from the previous part. There's almost a zero percent chance Araki hasn't left some stuff unsaid in Jojolion so he can bring it back in Jojolands. Most notably, Josuke obviously still wants to cure his mother (Holy) and he mentioned something about islands in the south sea (maybe a reference to the Hawaii of Jojolands?)
Could you make a video about why people shouldn’t skip jojo parts.
Someone could start from part 7 and have no problems with the story
@@fatcat2093 you miss 100s of references to the original universe if you skip the first 6 parts. While you don’t need to understand these references to enjoy the SBRverse, it makes part 7 and 8 that much better when you do understand the references. Also my comment was mainly referring to the original 6 parts.
People who skips whole parts are missing vital information so it's their fault if they don't understand something. It's not optional to skip 1-2 unless you want to be thoroughly confused and miss out on 2 really fun stories.
@@jaysunleblanc3680 True, its nice reading part 8 and seeing something referencing an earlier part, but it wouldnt really affect the story that much
Lots of youtubers already did those videos, I wanna see him do something different
5:40 that looks like the part 9 jojo that got shown recently
Bro i just finished Jojolion. What perfect timing
just finished the video and goddamn that was a lot of misconception. keep up the great work
damn, my binge ends here. I haven't finished JoJolion so I cannot watch this without being spoiled.
13:08 HOLY CORPSE! I GOT IN THE VIDEO WOOOO!
thanks for clearing that up Hamon no offense taken! It just hurts to see Johnny killed so suddenly like that!
norisuke in the bodybag with tsurugi? where was that going??? hopefully hamon covers that up!
If Mr. Flashback was supposed to be an early design, Josuke would've had a specific reaction to the character. So no, that doesn't work.
Not necessarily. If Araki redisigned the character he may have decided to just ignore the flashback instead of confusing the reader by refering to a flashback with what appears to be a different character.
@@boianko Araki just didn't follow up on Mr. Flashback. Josuke would recognize someone from his memories if they were supposed to be Mr. Flashback.
Yeah plus Araki decided later that Josuke *could never* access his memories ever again, that they were gone and he was essentially a new person, and that's a really important fact for his character arc and the themes of the story.
So really he should't have been able to flashback at all, and we should consider the flashback retconned out and hope they skip it in the anime.
Honestly Araki just retconned Flashback man
Part 8 isnt perfect, for me the main issues are the middle with Guerilla and Hawaii, Flashback man being retconned (unless Araki does some crazy shit and puts him in part 9) and Kei being wasted so much
@@eoincampbell1584 if Araki decides to make it a flashforward and we see Josuke meeting flash"forward" man in part 9, im eating a book
Oh I have been looking forward to this! There has been so much misinformation about this part spread around and it is gonna be great to have some clear explanation!
This video motivated me to finally finish JoJolion, so I smashed it out from start to finish. Watching this was a great way to put the cherry on the sundae.
Thanks very much for an awesome video and helping clear up a few questions that I had rattling around.
I was honestly pretty mixed about jojolions ending but this helped change my opinion a bit. It’s easier to see the themes that araki was going for now when taking a big look back at it like thisz
new Hamon Beat video pog!
these explanations make me enjoy part 8 even more
finally so many years before i could watch this
know you worked extra hard for this one boss man
23:20 this is the funniest araki ‘forgot’
I still think the "leaky eye Luka was Kakyoin's classmate" one to be the best so far
Just finished Jojolion and wow what a part! I think I prefer the new universe to the old one, though I love both. Can't wait for Part 9
36:50 It's you jouske, you're the jojolion all along
Be prepared to people claiming that Araki Forgot when it is just a set up for part 9
The moment we’ve all been waiting for…
I have never really bought into the idea that The Flashback Man is an early design for a different character. Putting aside that he's never connected to a future character, I don't think it's like Araki to completely redesign a character later on and not keep some similar elements. The best example I can think of is Mitsuba, who reappeared way after we see her initially with a new design, but their hair is at least similar enough to signal that they are the same. Meanwhile, no one else in the story looks like FBM. Having Damo, Yotsuyu, or anyone be FBM doesn't sit right. Personally, I think he was a part of a plotline that Araki was planning for JJL, and for whatever reason he had to scrap both. Maybe if Part 9 is a continuation of 8, he'll come up again. If he doesn't, then I hope the anime just gets rid of him to spare the audience from waiting for a reveal that will never happen.
It's prolly Damo with a reverse valentine
@@azadrahulp FBM looks nothing like Damo. And if they were the same, why wouldn't Josuke even think to himself that he's seen Damo before? Why would Araki lay out a tease for a character, and when that character is introduced, he doesn't connect them to the initial tease? And when would Josuke have seen Damo? It is his memory after all, not Kira's or Josefumi's, and Damo clearly has no idea who Josuke is when he met him initially. I just don't think FBM=Damo makes much sense or has much to stand on.
You know its banger when it's 44 minutes long
This is gonna be good
Yoo jojodoss
We never saw Gappy's four balls on-screen so Araki must've forgotten
Somebody give this man his masters degree in jojology already
Finally. The air is clear.
Why didn’t Jotaro use star finger to stop toru???
I didn't even realized the video was 40 minutes long until the end.
Wall eyes might make a come back in Jojoland, it’s hawaii, after all-- I’m sure there will be an earthquake at some point.
There was also mention of the Pacific Islands which suggests there may be Rokakaka in Hawaii.
What if the bite marks are from the spirit of Johnny. While we dont know where his body is, his head was crushed by Autumn Leaves and was most likely absorbed and affected by the Wall Eyes. If Johnny is a Saint and operates similar to how Jesus did with those who were in contact with the Saint’s corpse, then maybe the only way he could make his presence known/bless them with awakening their powers was through biting them? I mean the bite-mark does appear around Josuke’s birthmark where Go Beyond appears from and it also utilizes the spin similarly to Tusk Act 4.
And maybe the reason Yasuho was bitten was to allow her to pull Go Beyond through the phone. Joshu’s bite may have also allowed him to break the curse of the Milagro Man by awakening his stand, and since that chapter is meant to set up Wonder of U’s whole shtick it could also be foreshadowing at Josuke and Yasuho’s abilities being able to defeat Tooru.
7:16 thats clearly Yosuke Hanamura in the trashcan
This is a great video that’s helped me understand my favorite part a little bit more
In theory you had a good idea for Josefumi's birthmark, but with later reprintings of Part 8 removing it, I think we need to assume it was a genuine mistake.
araki forgot that jojolion was supposed to be called four ball run
Araki forgot to kill the dog at the end. 😁