Jojo - What Counts As a Stand?
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- Опубликовано: 11 мар 2021
- Looking at the concept of stands, and how our definition of it may be arbitrary.
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"what is a stand, well if you go back to the caveman times."
Boy that escalated quickly
Reminds me of "but first, we need to talk about parallel universes." But that will be next video.
Bizarre, huh?
JoJo fans discussing german philosophy to explain why Rohan saying "I refuse" is an absolute master piece
@@TheRabbitPoet excuse me
WUT
@@TheRabbitPoetexplain, please. I as a German need to know.
i found a weird arrow and stabbed myself with it and now instead of a stand i got tetanus
You just have to develop your tetanus to an advanced enough level that your stand manifests.
「IRON MAIDEN」
Keep going, you got it
Youre confusing the phenomenon of tetanus with an invisible stand working behind the scenes
What a Tetanus
That's your stand.
The real stand were the Jobros we made along the way
Yea they made it possible to win
My roleplay oc John Joestar: *cries in single jojo with no jobro*
And that’s a fact.
Because they stand at your side
@@maskedredstonerproz This comment is going in my cringe compliation
So according to this video. The better you look, the more gravity you have and in turn the more fate is on your side. Yoshikage Kira had the biggest gravitational pull because Cinderella made his face “perfect” and he had a powerful stand. That’s why the arrow pierced him and gave him Bites The Dust to change his own fate. The only reason he lost was because one person stopped him. Someone whose power was to control gravity. Koichi.
Koichi is the master of fate.
So Koichi over heaven could exist
Oh my GOD
Holy fucking shit
I bet Koichi believes in gravity
Yea
Act 1 let’s you hear the words of his mind, which could be repurposed for the phrases. Act 2 allows you to feel his words, meaning he could give ultimate power, allowing him to evolve and destroy his stand. Act 3, has the power over gravity, meaning he has control over fate.
The same evolution as Pucci’s Whitesnake to Made In Heaven
I swear to god he pads the runtime of these videos too much, one google search would have been enough. A Stand is a rack, base, or piece of furniture for holding, supporting, or displaying something.
had us in the first part, not gonna lie
@@Jasmine-pc4qp no.
Wtf no
@@SeaSurf74 is this a bad joke?
Nice, you actually had me for a moment lmao
Me: "Wait... It's all Stand Abilities?"
Hamon Beat: *"Always Has Been."*
So me being able to Make a drink or get food out the cupboard is a Stand ability
Lol
Crimson Prince your body is the stand ability of your brain
@@devranyilmaz9806 oh shit your right
So it’s a Bound Stand
Stands are like a Mcdonalds happy meal. You receive the snack, and plus the toy. In jojo, you receive the power and plus the stand, but everyone wants the happy meal for the toy, not the food.
There's got to be a pun here. Always ha(mon)s be(at)en? Nah, I lost it.
Don't forget Atom Heart Father in relation to the ghost stuff. It doesn't even have a form it just lets Kiras dad come back as a possessed photo, pretty good example of a stand just being a supernatural manifestation
That stand has a name? You learn something new every day ig
@@hiddensinix2767 Yup, to the point where they had change the name in the anime to avoid copyright.
@@genelearnsenglish4242 It's still called Atom Heart Father in the anime, just not in the official subs and probably dub
@@johnarbuckle9345 Yea you're right but one thing I have to mention is some translation of the subs still have the official name
@@hiddensinix2767 Every stand has a name, even Mikitaka's "stand"
I always thought that there were three ways to get a stand:
1. You are born with it
2. You get in contact with an arrow
3. A family member gets in contact with it.
But the way you explained it means that there is only one way:
You have the potential to awaken them -> Everybody is born with it but most of them will never be able to use them.
The arrows don't give you the stand. They force them to get out. And when a family member gets in contact with it the signal from this persons body will force the stands in his family to get out as well
No not everyone is born with it
@@NarutoUzumaki-xy9oy we don't know that. He even said that he doesn't know it exactly too and that he is just asuming it.
But I think that it would make sense.
The arrow/meteorite/virus is just forcing your soule to evolve just as the mask forced your body to evolve. Some people can handle that quick evolution and develop a stand and others die (like holly, josuke and so on)
@@Hellspiral_ and guess what? In order to optain their powers you need to make contact with them, if everyone was born with a stand wouldnt they all be able to see stands??
@@NarutoUzumaki-xy9oy they wouldn't be able to see it they hadn't awakened yet.
@@Hellspiral_ id say ppl who get struck by the arrow and die are the ppl that are proven to have no stand potential. On the other hand ppl like holly and the guy who had cheap trick would have low stand potential since their stands are negative.
Poor Hamon beat he’s gonna go crazy explaining everything over again
Insanity
It's his fate. Pucci and Dio know about his fate, that's why Gravity was beatven them
Why didn't Shizuka use Star Finger to kill Tooru????
So basically Hamon beat is saying that if someone is really good at walking they will awaken a stand that walks?
@@joaotd49 i mean yea, the guy that awakened the stand by being a beast at exercising did, why wouldn't a man unlock a stand by being a god at walking
"Yoshikage Kira was said to have a supernatural level of luck"
But he was unlucky to have been killed by an ambulance.
Na he wantes to live a quite life and thats how you die in a quite life
But he was lucky enough to not die at the hands of a Joestar.
hey, it never said it was good luck, hes gotta learn to take the good with the bad
His luck ran out
He got lucky when he died with hands surrounding him, and grabbing him
Imagine how freaking awesome it would have been if you had a Stand back in the ancient Greek, Egyptian, or Roman era and having your Stand be immortalized in the culture. I'd want that more than anything.
Ra the sun god was just some guy....
And 2 identical rocks
Maybe the Greek gods were really just humans with stands?
Bastet was just a broken electrical plug lol
@@cherrycola1144 Maybe. I just imagine a soldier in Greek mythology awakening Ares in the middle of battle.
That sounds awesome for an jojo campaign
If we take this and apply it to part 8, it makes a lot of sense how the latest actions by Josuke can be seen as able to break the "curse" of the Higashikatas
I'm caught up and I didn't understand this. Would you mind explaining yourself?
@@laggingwalrus7391 +1
I feel it’s the holy birth of Josuke that makes the action of breaking the curse. Although it requires a little bit of theory. When looking at one of the pages with a woman on it, the face is shown to look an awfully lot like being Josefumis’ mother; the page itself being a string that covers the makeup and biology of Rock Humans. When putting those two beside each other, I think that due to Josefumis’ backstory he’s actually a member of the Rock Human species. And if that’s true, then Kira and Josefumi merging to form Josuke could be the bridge between the species; being both human and Rock Human, and therefore can break the cycle of the biological effect of the rock disease.
@kanseidorifto2430 I don't think Josefumi could be a rock human, given that he was raised by his mother, and it's shown that rock humans do not care for their children and do not form families.
So basically:
*1.* Stands are simply a visual representation of supernatural abilities or phenomenon, and have been explained throughout history as being spirits, gods, superpowers, and more. (Examples such as the Egyptian gods, Hermes, Japanese Yokai, etc.)
*2.* Humans can be born with a predisposition to having a stand (superpower), or they can be born as a regular old normie.
*3.* If a person has a predisposition towards having a stand, they can:
*A.* Just not awaken a stand, and live a relatively normal existence. (An example is Holly Kujo after being cured. She still has her potential, but it's just dormant.)
*B.* Possess a stand from birth. (Examples: Avdol, Mannish Boy, The Green Baby, and many others.)
*C.* Awaken a stand through mastery of a skill, such as mastery of the Ripple (leading to Hermit Purple-esque stands), The Spin (leading to Ball Breaker-esque stands), or cooking (leading to Pearl Jam-esque stands), etc... (In this case, many ancient gods were people who had mastered skills, such as Youma Hashimoto who obtained the Hermes stand).
*D.* Force a stand's awakening through certain objects (the Arrows, the saints corpse pieces)
*E.* Force a stand's awakening through various miscellaneous phenomena (such as the psychic signal emitted from Jonathan body after being possessed by DIO, the devil's palms awakening stands, the Wall Eyes, etc.)
*F.* Awaken a stand through some weird combination of some or all of the above(?)
*3.* A stand does not require a living being in order to exist (Notorious B.I.G is an example of this, as is Cheap Trick, and the Mutsukabezaka), or a human all for that matter (Stray Cat, the rats, the Gucci bag) because as previously stated, "stands are simply a visual representation of supernatural abilities *or* *phenomenon* ". This means that pretty much anything out of the ordinary can be considered the physical manifestation of a stand, even if it isn't linked back to a character who possessed the stand.
Correct me if I'm wrong or if I'm missing anything, please.
Excellent Summary! You forgot to mention that certain stands can evolve, whether naturally (as is the case of Echoes), training (Tusk) or through force ( GER and Killer Queen through the arrow, Made in Heaven through the Heaven Plan and D4c Love train through the Saint's Corpse). Also forgot that people can be given stands by stands like Whitesnake, although it's quite a specific way to gain one.
So basically the masks are forcing your body to evolve and the arrow forces your soul to evolve
And the Mask also helps to evolve the soul so you gain more Stand Potential
@@omnisystem6030 More body for more succulent soul energy
@@Pillar_of_Salt yum
So the Red Stone of Aja is basically the Requiem version of the mask
@@Marcelelias11 in a way yes
This video is so fucking smart. The way I look at Jojo has been permanently changed and I think rereading the series will yield a more enjoyable result because of that. Thank you.
Ikr. JoJo is amazing
yeah, this video relly changed the way I see jojo
It really is one of my favorite videos. So smart
Hamon Beat is reaching enlightenment from interpreting Araki's work
me too
You could say he's slowly attaining heaven.
Fans: “It’s all... stands?”
Stand Beat: *”Always has been”*
Stand Beat
Stand beat
@@omnisystem6030 Yeah it’s part of the joke...
Alphystand424 I know I’m just repeating Stand Beat
Just a message from the Crimson Stand
""""""""""""""Fans""""""""""""""
Regular Jojo fan:stands are punch ghost
Hamon beat:allow me to explain why you are stupid
No no wait. Let's hear them out
Also Hamon Beat: If i hear that dumb shit again, my stapler Stand will fuck you up
Ultimately, a Stand is ill-defined, as was Araki's intentions. Almost anything mystical and bizarre can count as a Stand, since the concept of Stands as we, the vast majority of viewers understand them, is a faulty definition created by Joseph and Abdul and they admit that, what they are saying, is conjectural and just seems to be lose categories that most phenomena can be filed under. But there are noted exceptions and clear breaks that defy these categorisations (like some Stands working even when the User is dead, for instance).
So speedwagon's godly charisma and character is a stand?
@@SirJenno that ... could actually be true
Here’s what I believe, since stand and Hamon are connected through the soul I believe that Hamon is just a specific way of manipulating the soul and so is a Stand. Hamon is like it’s own category, they come from the same base but are different.
Like people we are all hooomans but we have two separate categories of a boy and a girl
@@SirJenno he's able to manipulate air temperature around his body to a degree that it can both move his hat without him touching it and melt the ice on baron zeppeli's arm
Damn, we really have seen Stands rather earlier than we initially thought. Araki didn’t just “retcon” Hamon, but added something far more understandable than Hamon, since Hamon is a martial arts.
I wanna talk about the "imagine non stand users seeing x battle, just to guys staring at each and receiving damage lol xdxd" joke, what triggers me about that joke is that people act like psychics or telekinesis isn't something in fiction.
but the idea of putting your hands in your pocket while fighting is very Jojos
so is telekinesis just a stand?!!
@@kamari_5727 YES, YES!
@@kamari_5727 just stand users using their stand to carry around things
@@kamari_5727 araki meant for stands to be a physical representation of something like telekinesis so yes
"So where do Stands really originated from?"
History Channel Guy: "ALIENS"
Giorgio, with the massive hair?
@@Jsssddfgffghshdhdhusjsjd Yes!
Considering the Stand meteor literally came from space and its origin is unknown, this legit might _not_ be a joke (lookin' at you, Mikitaka).
@@mrreyes5004 That was kinda my point 😅
Technically the truth
Holy shit Hamon Beat is spoiling us recently.
Me: *looks at the kitchen tools*
"Oh yeah boy, it's stand time"
i already have a stand it's called a "Stand-Mixer"
Waiting for the bus and there is no bench: STANDO POWAH!!!
If I recall correctly, Part 4 perfectly shows this as a lot of Stand related things because urban myths or legends within Morioh. I recall in one episode of the anime that a man saw Yukako falling after her fight with Koichi before being bounced right back up and since he didn't know what was truly going on, he thought Yukako was jumping to her death but was spared and brought back up. Other things such as Angelo being turned into a rock and Terunosuke being turned into a book also contribute to myths and legends about the town and this all comes from Stands so the idea that the myths and legends of the real world could actually originate from Stands seems incredibly possible since we see the same thing happening within the series itself.
Went from “let’s talk about stands” to “Come, let us discuss the parallels of the universe and our perception of supernatural events and actions, however before that we must discuss the meaning of fate and gravity, and how it effects us in this world.”
So glad that Hamon Beat posts Jojo content in 2021. (not talking about memes)
can memes even be considred content like they're mostly low effort garbage
@@42LMS comic sub is a higher quality
Me: "Damn I wonder what other interesting topics Hamon Beat could cover now that the Araki Forgot series is coming to a close."
Hamon Beat: "You underestimate my power."
Interesting explanation. I think this is also part of why Part 6 had so many phenomenon stands like Limp Bizkit, Planet Waves and Dragon's Dream among others. There was something about Green Dolphin that attracted so many Stand users of that variety.
Damn you're right. It really changes my view on a lot of the stands in part 6.
* insert the joke of speedwagon is Jonathan stand *
YES YES YES
le funni has not arrived
Ye
SPW foundation(Speedwagon requiem) is later become Joseph's stand
* insert idiotic comment of a snarky remark about how that isn't the case *
This reminds me of the one time when I rewatched the original Ben 10 series. I noticed that most supernatural abilities were explained by either aliens, advanced tech or straight up magic. But there where some people that had abilities that were never explained, so I jokingly imagined those to be stand users.
The original Ben 10😭😭😭😭
Omg
I really loved how they explained stuff though in a way like Hamon Beat does in this video. Like with the Halloween aliens for example. Classic monsters, explained as humans interacting with aliens and not fully understanding
It's a personal headcanon, but I really like the idea that Abbacchio also got his stand through "expertise" in that it manifested while he was returning to the place his partner died....
It's a decent headcanon. I mean, not *every* member of Passione got their Stands from Polpo's Black Sabbath; we know for sure that Risotto and Giorno awakened their Stands prior to joining the gang. IIRC, the only ones explicitly stated to have received their Stands from Polpo's arrow were Narancia and Mista.
And even Mista's ridiculous proficiency for firearms and the luck with which he was able to make it out of that gunfight can be considered a precursor to his eventual Stand ability that is Sex Pistols, which perfectly complements his natural talents.
Just don't confuse your head canon to the actual canon.
@@najadamu2724 Yeeeessss
@@najadamu2724 that's what I always figured happened with Mista, all those bullets missing was just Pistols protecting him without him realizing
@@MagillanicaLouM not really though? It was just his extreme good luck
Headcanon: Tonpetty had a Hermit Purple-ish stand that he could see and fully control (and had the power to foresee a person's entire life), he just never bothered mentioning it because he was the only one in his lifetime devoted enough to unlock it (the master never tells his students the end goal, because that will make them stop caring about the journey, or whatever).
Dude singlehandedly twisted my entire perspective of stands and reality
Same holy shit
A rather lengthy but arguably invaluable series would be an in depth breakdown of each stand we get presented with through the series. I feel that while the meme is made about how people don't understand how King Crimson works, your Araki Forgot series has shown that, by and large, most people don't even know how the basic stands in Part 3 work.
People be seeing The D'Arby Brother's similar stand ability because theyre closely related and say Jotaro's timestop is an asspull
@@rivershen8954 Exactly. Jotaro only ever uses Star Platinum's high speed and power because that's all he KNOWS it can do. Only his fight with DIO pushes him to realize he's so out of his league that he needs to find something else to get an advantage on him.
@@rivershen8954 With how timestop is explained by DIO, it sounds like it's just a heavily focused version of the power of precision Star Platinum already showed.
Like it isn't even a relation thing, it's just something people can learn if they're crazy precise... Somehow.
@@calemr stopping Time also has a connection to gravity manipulation since we see Pucci control gravity in such a way that Time speeds up, we can safely assume you become a temporary infinitely dense black hole when stopping time
@@rivershen8954 i wouldn't say we can 'safely assume' but I like where your heads at
So what I get from this is that stands are a manipulation of cosmic energy, and that everything can tap into this cosmic energy. Since matter and energy are somewhat interchangeable, this cosmic energy can have many forms, but there is also a force that draws all energy together, creating fate. To manipulate this energy on a large scale is to manipulate fate, but there is no being strong enough to change it in an extremely meaningful way. Humans always had the ability to manipulate it, but it requires mental fortitude to achieve, which is why some die when hit by the arrow, and why holly fell ill. Also, it might be the case that collective thinking may cause the formation of gods and the like. Stands suit each character’s personality because they are created by the brain’s manipulation of cosmic energy. Stands with acts evolve as their user’s brain gains more fortitude. Ripple and spin users undergo vigorous mental training to use their powers. It might be that any character can use any stand ability, but they haven’t tried. Plus the big bad powers can be explained through this. Stopping time? Temporarily slowing all energy except for yours and the things you touch. Reversing time? Reversing the flow of energy. Skipping time? Speeding up the flow of energy to an extreme rate. I guess part 7 is a bit more complicated, but part 8’s big bad simply alters fate on a major scale, which I’ve explained to be a manipulation of cosmic energy. Anyways this has been my long and probably wrong conception of what has been said in this video
Yes this idea of "cosmic energy" is pretty much spot on. I haven't thought too deep on it since I haven't made a video around it yet, but this is 100% the meaning of the "particles" brought up in the SBR Extra Chapter.
I'd say Hamon Beat really gets it at the end. It's not that everything supernatural is a stand, it's that stand is a man-made term that can encompass everything supernatural, and the 'supernatural' in JoJo is an extension of nature, rather than a contradiction of it. SupRAnatural might be a good term for it.
I also like to think about how Jonathan is showed boosting/creating life while touching a branch with "ripple", which makes Giorno's ripple like abilities much more sense as his direct and most successful offspring.
It’s insane how HB only has 150k subs because if I’m being honest he’s the most knowledged in the jojo community
@Emet-Selch what did he say??
It's called being adequate...
@Emet-Selch I mean, he said _a lot_ of stupid shit on Twitter. Doesn't change the fact that these videos are well-written, edited, and researched, though.
@Emet-Selch damn, whatd he say
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This is *exactly* the kind of video I'd suggested on the discord. Even if this has all been a big coincidence I'm incredibly happy to see it happen
It was fated to happen.
@@AnAwfulAccount hahahaaha
I love these videos. They’ve helped me realize the incredible amount of depth beneath the surface level weirdness of JoJo’s. Keep up the good work.
You know, back then it wasn't this confusing.
I had wind and storms, Esidesi boiling blood and gore and Kars had his great lightblades.
And a thigh guitar.
It only seems confusing cause it’s being talked about more in-depth.
A fricking Lisa Lisa reference
Wamuu is the best pillar man, if you disagree i will fight you with my stand "never gonna give you up"
I mean, what if the concepts of Hamon were inspired by a stand? If the mastery of cooking can get you a stand perhaps this works in a similar way. It would make sense why Johnathan and Joseph would inherit basically the exact same stand.
*M A S T E R Y O F B R E A T H I N G*
Personally I think Mikitaka is a stand user; in the last chapter of part 4 all of Morioh warriors, Mikitaka included, meet to say farewell to Reimi (in the anime Mikitaka speaks directly to her) and it's pretty much implied that only stand users can see ghosts
Whatever Mikitaka is, he shares a lot of the same characteristics as the Stand users we meet throughout Part 4 and is on the same spiritual wavelength as them and ghosts.
Why he can't *see* Stands is a mystery. And the only Stand battle he was ever in was against Superfly, which is bound to a physical object and can be seen by even non-Stand users.
@@najadamu2724 maybe he could see Crazy diamond but ignored it because he was used to seeing stands
@@felipecosta-kv2fx I agree with you
he can be an alien and also be a stand user bruh
@@roserose109 that's a possibility
I feel like Reimi may have become a stand user after death. Maybe her intense desire to stop Kira caused her to develop a stand that allowed her to stay in the alley after death, while other ghosts like Shigechi were forced to move on immediately. The reason Heaven's door didn't show her as a stand user would already be explained in the story: it was only showing memories from before she died, and she developed her stand after death. It may even possible she isn't aware she's a stand user, since there would be nobody to tell her what stands are.
Either way, I think we can all agree that Bruford's Danse Macabre is 100% a stand.
It is possible that remi and the alleyway have a similar situation like with sugar mountain spring or supper fly even. Like, she is the stands “user”/guardian and watches over something that could function on its own, but is able to function more smoothly with someone as a guide of sorts
@@steeredshark5542 on the note of that concepts have stands too. Calamity itself has a stand called “Wonder of U” and it’s user is simply its guardian that controls it at a precise level. Maybe Hell’s stand is basically just ghosts that judges the sinners and rips them apart, before pulling them into the abyss aka The Alleyway
@@NoobSebot that sounds so cool!
@@steeredshark5542 I’m not sure if it’s accurate for Hell. But Wonder of U is literally Calamity itself, so in a sense, Calamity’s stand is Wonder of U, or Wonder of U is just its’ stand form.
@@NoobSebot still tho. It’s a really cool concept
It's kind of like how everyone finds certain scenes as unrealistic plotholes, but true fans know what's going on.
What if Jotaro was meant to get a Vine-like Stand like his mother and grandfather, but his father influenced the type of Stand he actually got?
Star Platinum can breathe a lot which is part of Hamon/Ripple. That said, his father DOES play an instrument that requires proper airflow.
@@michaelcarlton1484 You
You bring up a very valid point my stoned mind cannot comprehend and I love it
The shoulder pads are stated to represent the concept of the ripple.
I can see the likely connections, Jotaro fated to rival DIO gains a stand that can breath and channel airflow without knowing it, Josuke gains the healing and restoration capabilities of hamon, Giorno got the life of hamon, Jolyne being a descendant of two direct stand users got the ability to turn into strings, since she's related to Joseph the strings present the channeling of hamon and the will to bind fate to their own liking.
I know it's a joke but the actual reason is KONO DIO DA
I really like how far you can go when talking about the absurd concepts that derives from the series and how serious you are about it. This is one of your best videos and I’ve been here with you for a long time now! The sheer love and professionalism that I can feel in your content is outstanding, it’s so much passion! It’s kinda like what it takes to awaken a stand like you discussed! It really brings me joy to see someone like you talking about something that they love, it’s an honesty that only true love can create, I guess. Congratulations, Hamon Beat!
14:20 it's interesting that it was specifically the Greek God Hermes and not some sort of random speed demon or something similar, it could be the actual god or could be a stand that's from a line similar to the Egyptian gods or the Tarot Card stands from Part 3. The fact they don't outright tell you is interesting, cause it brings back the horror/fantasy elements from part 1 and 2 back in focus for a little while.
2:16 I also want to add in that Santana is actually a _LOT_ like a real-life demon in Aztec folklore called Cipactli. Considered by the Aztecs to be "the source of the cosmos," Cipactli was said to have an extremely durable body that was absolutely covered with hungry extra mouths along its torso to his limbs, and it had such an insatiable appetite and had such extraordinary power that the god Tezcatlipoca had to sacrifice his foot in order to defeat it.
Sounds _very_ much like Santana, a man-eating beast able to feed with all parts of his body as if his entire form were covered in mouths, along with the fact that Santana's body is also exceptionally tough and hard to kill. Just like Cipactli, Santana's foes also had to sacrifice a foot to defeat him. Even more, Tezcatlipoca is the Aztec god of night, discord, sorcery and war, similar to Joseph battling the Pillar Men when their solar weakness is gone (night), using chaotic and unpredictable tactics (discord) mixed with supernatural Hamon to perform superhuman feats (sorcery), and growing into an incredible fighter (war).
Of course, Cipactli is never once brought up in anything JoJo-related by Araki, but it is still super interesting how much Santana's part of the story has in common with a real Aztec legend. So perhaps indeed Santana directly inspired the Aztec people into recording him as the demon Cipactli since they didn't really have the technology thousands of years ago to understand who or what Santana actually was (unlike Joseph and Stroheim's scientists in a more modern era).
Idk, I feel like explaining every single supernatural thing in JoJo as just “the work of a stand” is limiting the scope of the world.
Yokai, Gods, Aliens, and Ghosts just existing along with stands is way more fun than all of that just being stands.
Well, the point is that it may be the other way around, or, perhaps that it doesn't make sense to only consider one or the other, and that there is no distinction.
I think the point Hamon Beat is trying to make is that the line separating these concepts is more blurred than most people give it credit for. Like that guy from the Rohan one-shot being an avatar of Hermes - it *is* borderline a Stand ability, when you consider how one defines a Stand.
I still come back to this video a lot because it seriously poses a lot of interesting ideas that pop up throughout the series -- At 4:42, the concept of Hermit Purple being a "stand manifestation of Hamon" used to bother me a couple years ago. And it also bothered me that Jonathan/Dio also seemed to have the same "Hermit Purple" stand. But I found that thinking about it within the framework of the "Development Potential" stand stat helps a ton.
We see that Joseph's Hermit Purple has the lowest possible stat of E in potential, but that isn't necessarily a bad thing -- all it means is that the user has found every conceivable use for that stand, a true master. When Hamon is first introduced, it seems to be capable of just about anything the user can put their mind to, from combat to healing to mind-reading (sort of like how Part 3 Star Platinum is constantly pulling out new tricks, and has an A in potential), and Part 2 Joseph with his constant trickery, creativity, and misdirection takes Hamon's applications to their limits, and in particular seems to have a penchant for making Hamon travel long distances (like the string he used against Esidisi, or the cannonball crosbow he used against Wammu); One of Hamon's main disadvantages is needing direct contact with whatever you want to charge with Hamon, but maybe a truly unbridled master of Hamon could be someone who seems to use the air itself as a conduit, and not just for combat, but for all sorts of Hamon abilities. And that's exactly what we see Hermit Purple do, many of the standard Hamon abilities but better (mind reading becomes spirit photography and geolocation), and with the added bonus of newer abilities like extra range.
The seemingly throw-away comment of "If the Crusaders went back to Part 2 they may see a young Joseph with Hermit Purple" comment actually makes sense -- he may have unknowingly had the "stand" of Hermit Purple already, but at a higher level of development potential. He clearly had more natural talent for Hamon than any other Ripple user we see throughout the series, so it's possible he had the potential of using Hamon at a level nobody, not even a "master" like Lisa Lisa or Tonpetti, could conceptualize teaching him about, unless they were a fellow stand user who could teach Joseph about stands. Perhaps if Joseph went the Straizo/Lisa Lisa route and made Hamon his whole life, like how Tonio made cooking his whole life, he would've developed Hermit Purple to be like it is in Part 3 on his own, rather than via the stand arrow.
I dunno, I know this is a ridiculously long comment, I'm just spitballing ideas because the more you think about "what counts as a stand", the more interesting it becomes.
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i dont use twitter what be the joke
@@emilygordbort7300 he's more edgy on twitter lol
@@aqrmzzn and a lot more racist lol
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@@aqrmzzn lol
I’d really like your take on requiem as a whole and how that power applies to any stand
Requiem is awesome even though we only had 2 Requiem Stands like
Gold Experience Requiem
Silver Chariot Requiem
I wish we got more Requiems
Requiem coverts your stand so you can do the thing you most want to do, but in a certain way.
(SPOILERS)
For example, Kira just killed Hayato and Shinobu is on the door of the bathroom, Kira is having a *BREAKDOWN BREAKDOWN* (Sorry i had to) and his dad cannot do anything to save him and then, the arrow hits Kira and then he now has Bites The Dust, a hability that is perfect for the situation he was.
At the end of Golden Wind, Giorno wanted Diavolo to suffer because of all things he did and then when he uses the Requiem Arrow, that's what it happens! Diavolo dies in a inf death loop.
(Srry about my english tho)
Hermit purple requiem
@@thetitanhater I would have done a BREAKDOWN pun
@@omnisystem6030 Bites the Dust is not Requiem
Maybe the real Stand were the friends we made along the way.
This comment makes me happy :)
The imaginary friends, you mean?
Cesar!!!
May Speedwagon be with you.
Man I love Persona.
"The gravity which fate is derived from isn't simply it's own force, it is based"
Considering that the hamon order are monks, its possibly that they gained their powers through mastery of meditation. Breathing is an integral part of meditation, and has positive affects on your mind and health, while hamon is created by breathing and gives its users mental and physical powers
Let me give you one better.. what stand as a counts
Facts
Pucci counts the prime numbers
Dio. He stands in for Count Dracula
@@westide3050 yes
I think some stands in ancient time also took a form of a human being. After all, WoU also has an Impersonation ability that let's him be seen by stand users and non-stand users as well. And if an innocent bystander were to encounter him and his calamities, the bystander might even think that the doctor is some sort of super human able to control calamities. So it's not far-fetched thinking that stands cannot be seen by non-stand users but also that even when taking a form of a human being, they maybe even regarded as gods or goddesses by the ancient people.
stands in Japanese: it’s called Yūhamon, because Hamon is literally just tapping into a stand via breathing.
stands in English: uhh it called stand because it stand behind you
Yeah but Araki forgot Polnareff’s earring that one time so you’re wrong
This sounds like a better explanation of the show’s abilities appearing throughout history than what beyblade did with the whole beyblades parting the Red Sea thing
Rohan brings more to the lore than I ever knew.
This video was really interesting and I loved how well you transitioned every point into the next. It made your point very clear and I can totally understand the conclusion about supernatural ambiguity you got to. I'm definitely waiting for the next one about spin since the latest chapter does get a bit confusing about things not existing yet having an effect at the same time...
Phenomenal video, beat. This made me rethink my perspective on the series as a whole. Your dedication to this series and trying to explain the concepts is extremely admirable!
I really like the idea of Hamon being a more primal volatile version of the Stand that anyone can use with training.
"Is mayonnaise a Stand?"
Araki: "Not yet."
What do you mean with "not yet"
Shuckmeister: Broke
Hamon Beat: Woke
Yes
No and Yes
\--/
\-/
Yesn’t
I'm always curious, were there really a drama between them, or is it just a joke fight like the one with Davie vs Twoset Violin? 🤔
Sorry I'm new to this side of JoJo Fandom
You are truly the best content creator about JoJo on this site.
I think this brings up the question of how your given stand is determined. Like for example, Rohan got heaven’s door because he was shot by the arrow, but by this logic I think it’s very possible that he could have also manifested a stand through his mastery of creating manga. But if that were the case, would his stand still be the same heaven’s door or would it have different abilities?
This is probably my favorite vid of yours to date. Keep up the good stuff!
My head canon is that Hamon is a stand without a master which you can use by performing certain actions.
Meaning if Johnathan had used an arrow it would probably look like humanoid with vines covering it meaning the vines can go on him or go into humanoid form
Like hermit purple
What I just said is what I think would happen
Just like ball breaker.
Probably something like anubis, but it gets bound to any person worthy and knowledgeable enough, and it can be bound to multiple at once
can you just imagine how good Tonio's food is? he is so good that it became a stand
Honestly the humanoid stands just actually make things look cooler
Truth
False. Fun Fun Fun the best
6:20 I think Joseph had a stand back then and it manifested from its Harmon and that’s why he knew what people where going to say he read there minds with hermit purple
Stands are one of the most interesting power concepts ive ever seen
They’re so fascinating i love them
Absolutely beautiful video. You take jojo and really read into the cracks and crevices that araki was trying to get at. Keep up the videos please!
I always thought Mikitaka was an alien. I assumed his species were responsible for the meteor and wanted him to retrieve the arrows.
Wasn't Mikitaka's backstory (or, at least, his self-proclaimed backstory) that he came to Earth because his planet was destroyed and he was looking for a new living space?
If they wanted him to retrieve the arrows, wouldn't he have possibly mentioned it to Josuke and/or Okuyasu at some point? Unless the line you're going with is that Mikitaka lost his memory somehow or something.
@@najadamu2724 I ain't gonna lie. I forgot shortly after he debuted. But I remember speculating that before the part 4 anime ended.
Head canon that is Not to shabby
I’d honestly like to see Hamon return in some way. You could do so many ridiculous things with it.
Me: Turn on the Subtitles
Subtitles: Dead
Me: ;-;
the deceased
Sad.
@@Zucchi_Zuru the unalived
Worth noting that in Run, hermes manifests in the user after he trains really hard to get fit, which sorta connects to the “mastery of a craft” idea
That could explain how Egyptian god stands exist far after ancient Egypt, as though the respective god abilities are simply a type of stand (like hermit purple being the result of Hamon mastery)
That video title had me confused lol
A very interesting and well-thought out video. Well done.
These videos where you take a deeper dive into the internal logic of Jojo’s universe while also connecting it back to its narrative purpose (the most important point of world building stuff like this) is very insightful. Good stuff
This feeds into my theory that Kars may have achieved a stand ability after becoming the Ultimate Life Form.
True
Then that's a good thing that Joseph got rid of Kars so soon. If he had time to study his powers, he would become truly invincible
Mikitaka is actually Kars after he lost his mind and returned to Earth.
@@raccoononymous do you have any proof?
Occam's Razor. It's more reasonable to believe that the two "extraterrestrial" shapeshifters are actually the same person rather than propose an entire race of shapeshifters from space that are completely unrelated to the one we already know about and never further elaborated on.
He responds badly to loud noises because he has PTSD from the volcano eruption.
This might actually be my favourite video from you this was incredible
This was so interesting and well written, keep up the good work.
this is literally the best channel on youtube!! thanks for your content!
I think the best way to describe a stand would be "A supernatural ability tied to an individuals spirit" since hamon is stated to be something similar to spirit energy. And while ghosts do exist, only those with stands are able to see other stands.
I think supernatural phenomenon do exist outside stands, but they're only a stand if they're born from a user.
Hamon Beat grinding everyday with these beast mode videos.
Punching ghost... embodiment of your soul... The Devil.... but nothing will ever beat Dire’s Unbeatable THUNDER CROSS SPLIT ATTACK
YOU FOOL! YOU FELL FOR IT!
But can it go against...
THE GERMAN SCIENCE!?
Emerald Splash too
HAHA YOU FELL FOR IT FOOL
I just want to say: I love you for making these videos!
This is the greatest Jojo video on the internet. It makes me rethink the entire series.
So with cheap trick is that his superstition or OCD that if someone saw his back he'll die, like him fully believing that made his stand and how it works?
he probably got it from a family member getting a stand and (probably) dying
Hamon beat: what is considered as a stand?
*Turns into a Vsause video talking about perspective
*Nice*
I love how the series has complete insanity and hilarious interactions. But then has a extremely fleshed out and well planned explanation for everything.
Honestly this video made me look at stands in a different way. This is an awesome video
It’s pretty fun to look at history and wonder “huh, in jojos that would be a stand” and think up what that stand would be
Stands are much more bizarre than people think, and who knows if in the JoJo universe's future the term stand will become an outdated name for all these anomalies
I love when in the end hamon beat becomes so poetic
I enjoy your videos they help me relax and watch something about a show/manga I like it’s a good way to chill