Parkland jury voted 11-1 for death, family member says -- 1 holdout juror saved Nikolas Cruz's life
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- Опубликовано: 12 окт 2022
- Nikolas Cruz was spared the death penalty because of one person who refused to vote for execution, family members of Parkland shooting victims revealed after the verdict. The family members said they were told the jury's vote was 11-1 in favor of the death penalty for Cruz.
The jury foreperson later told WFOR that the vote was actually 9-3 for death, but only 1 was a hard "no" on execution.
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People gotten the death penalty for less. This is crazy.
People gotten life in prison for more
Because he's white.
@@tilda140 ???
@@tilda140 because there was a sjw in the jury, stop the victim syndrome.
Not when it's a psyop.
You know what they say.. “it takes one person to ruin it for everyone else”.
What a joke. That juror has no clue.
he is a liar, only 7 people realy wanted the death penalty, 4 jurors were indecisive and 3 jurors voted agaist the death penalty
@@Nonowness i agreed. God gave Nokia to repent his sins and help others
If this case doesn’t warrant the death penalty then why do we have it? Honestly, what a joke, that juror blew the entire case for these families. Heart goes out to those folks. I can’t imagine the anger they’re having to experience all over again.
I agree. It only takes one SJW type to spare this monster.
I hope that juror who kept a monster from the death penalty suffers with that decision the rest of her life. I've lost a child to suicide in 2007 at the age of 23, and I can tell you there is nothing worse a parent or family member can endure than losing a child. I'm not comparing my son's death to the horrific way these families lost their children, but the pain is something you live with the rest of your life. Justice was not served today for these families and my heart is breaking for them. I hope this juror never has another moment of peace!
Yes, we should not have the death penalty. I agree.
@@thisisachannel12 couldn’t agree less.
Death penalty makes no sense that's why.
I know how you guys are feeling. My brother was murdered and his wife was found not guilty by 1 juror. I have to live knowing that she walks this earth each morning I wake up. God bless y'all and may y'all be able to start healing as much as possible.
Then how do you know she murdered your brother ? If there was convincing evidence she’d be in jail. Not tryna argue but its the justice system.
@@ilovefrys You've never been lied to have you?
@@ilovefrys it's not the justice system. It's the legal system. It can be manipulated.
bigman... convincing evidence does not guarantee a conviction.
Many cases demonstrate this but if I had to pick one I would pick Casey Anthony to refute the idea that convincing evidence results in a a conviction 100% of the time.
Another would be OJ Simpson. But these are just famous cases there are countless cases where people get off when there was more than ample evidence to convict... all for a multitude of reasons.
@@ilovefrys well obviously the “justice system” doesn’t do a very good job at serving justice
If killing 17 doesn’t get you the death penalty, then we should stop kidding ourselves and do away with it. We haven’t been serious about crime in this country in decades.
Amen
What are you a black brother wanabe? Eh? Hurt INOCENts? Hope to see you in the hood to teach you what is real 1 vs 1 but you are a wanabe come with your others wanabe... pss talk big but alone is a she!^$$@. Dea^@% to all criminals NO MERCY TO THEM.
Kids too as a matter of fact
@@blondie7240 how you gonna say amen. We as humans dnt have the right to take another’s life unless it’s self defense. Killing is killing. The only right to take a life is god himself
It's because of the highest statistical perpetrators.
It's so interesting how 1 jury member can basically decide the outcome.
It should be a 60% majority, not unanimous
We need to change the "rule" to a majority vote so that these sick attention-seekers and grandstanders cannot undermine justice. Only men property owners on juries, too. The founding fathers were right.
For the death penalty is should def be %100
Yep, women should have no power to do anything
@@SandKraken not for school shooters, bro 👎🏼
That one person really let those families and the victims down. Justice was not served today, and it saddens me deeply (angers me, too).
Read the actual articles. As the New York Times reports, three jurors voted for life in prison, not one. Justice was served today. You may not agree with it, but that is the purpose of a jury. We have no idea what is in store for this convicted killer, but the Jury has spoken. I don't personally know if every family was hoping for the death penalty, but three jurors felt they could not condemn a mentally ill person to death. (So says the article.) I can't speak for family members, and I'm not in their shoes, but I also don't know if this changes things for them in the long run. They will hurt until their last breath, and they will mourn and miss that family member for just as long, there's no escaping that pain whether Cruz is dead or locked in a prison. I pray for their strength, their comfort, and their ability to feel joy again someday.
You are talking nonsense and dont even know the basic facts, only 7 people realy wanted the death penalty, 4 jurors were indecisive and 3 jurors voted agaist the death penalty
I hope that 1 juror never sleeps again, karma gets this person, and they forever regret what they did shame on you whoever you are
You sound like fun. It was three jurors not one. People in good faith may reach different opinions. Period.
@@frankfurter7260 then why are they staying ONE??
Her name is Denise Cunha
@@victoriat8481 shocker the media can't get something right
This single juror robbed so many people of justice. Disgusting.
Why is it justice. Can you PROVE that a murderer deserves death?
@@rorycannon7295 can you prove they don’t?
@@rorycannon7295 it’s natural law
@@rorycannon7295 yes. There is a very real evolutionary need to not destroy your own people if you want to propagate.
How the guy is in jail?
This is one of the few times I'd actually be in favor of the death penalty, I can't believe there was someone that would vote against it in this case.
This happens all the time. Death sentence is literally 50/50. It's pretty much the only thing that a juror can decide based on morals instead of facts and law.
and when they do get it. they may never get it. more people go on death row every year than are executed a year.
@reformed meghead the problem is that a fringe group of people will see him as a hero.
Unfortunately for every obvious death penalty case, there are many not so obvious cases. Innocent people get executed, or have their lives ruined over the death penalty. If it were so simple..... It's not that simple.
As you are mostly against the death penalty, you are explicitly responsible for every crime committed by ANY criminal savage post release.
i can feel this mans pain….. this is just horrible. the death penalty was made for cases like these, and the fact that he didn’t get it is just sickening
Dear Inmates - You know what to do. Thank you in advance.
muhhhaaaaa, he is in solidary confinement, you dont even know this. And on top he is 24 hours on suicide watch, nobody will touch or harm him, he is protected like gold.
@@Nonowness yeah but that’s in jail pre-trial.
Prison will be much different for him . They can’t just keep you by yourself forever. He will be kept in PC, but he won’t be by himself. Somebody will eventually get to him.
If cold blooded murder of 17 people doesnt get the death penalty, what does?
If it has to be life in prison, send him to Colorado Supermax, which some say is worse than death.
Good idea
Exactly. He wants to die. He may well, but it'll be at the hands of a shank, and not a peaceful needle. People complaining don't realize that's WORSE.
It will be a Florida prison because it’s a state case
I’d say send him to Santa Fe or Los Cruces Max in New Mexico… Colorado is waaaayyyyy too soft!!!
Bingo
It wasn't just 1 juror. It was 3. Why the State told him that is beyond me .
I cant believe this is the result, this is so heart breaking for the families that were left.
I am so so so sorry to all 17 families and the 17 that were injured
@@scott2296 I know you have no friends but nobody gonna give you attention keep trying though!
Same goes to you
@@BigNucc just delete his comment he doesn't deserve the time and effort
They were Murdered in cold blood, not injured.
@@BigNucc With friends like the Dems that did J6, who needs enemies?
One can hope someone in the prison he's sent does not share the same sentiment as the one and does us all a favor.
If he gets horribly murdered in prison, I hope that the inmate who did it gets set free. Jury nullification.
You have to think it will come and until it happens he will be on edge and never have a moments peace.
@@JohnSmith-ct5jd an inmate will probably do what happened to Dahmer.
@@JohnSmith-ct5jd yes!
That’s what I’m hoping also. KARMA‼️
This was a slap in the face to the victims’ families. 😢
This is so sad,my heart goes out to all the family's.
11-1? Wtf it should majority for this decision. Why does he get to live a long life after taking 17 others. Sad
not how it works
Because some people believe you still deserve to live even after killing so many innocent others. It’s sick
@@Arcadianx98 you realize theirs this thing called rule of law. And innocent til proven guilty
Criminal juries have to be unanomis when they have to find someone guilty or not and have to be unanomis to kill someone
@@xoxonaotchan_7902 he was proved guilty of the crime. Also, the rule of law exists to serve justice. Justice for the families was the death penalty, and justice for taking the life of so many would be to forfeit his own. This is really super simple and not complex in this case.
It’s beyond insane how people want to protect criminals lives!! I’m all for death penalty for horrible criminals!! 😢
Very true. I wish more people had a stronger sense of justice. Evil must be destroyed thoroughly.
Within 30 days, for murder.
I'm 100% for the Death Penalty when there is no doubt about the guilt of the suspect.
what does your death penalty provide besdies extensive expensive litigation for life. plus the expense of taking one. what are we getting for this purchase?
@@helicalactual Are you for real? He will live a long life, eating and playing games and making friends … while he took the lives of many precious innocent souls in a horrific way! He took away their chances to live and have kids, eat and breathe … No make example out of these monsters they should not live, if you take innocent peoples lives you deserve to lose yours.
The juror should be identified and shamed. The defense attorney, Tamara Curtis, who disrespected the victims' families should be shamed and disbarred.
She was , her name was released.
Some shooter in Norway killed 65 people and he only got 15 years in prison. The justice system globally doesn’t work. Neither here nor elsewhere.
The whole justice system in this country is ridiculous at this point!
"but muh feelings!"
Yeah, its ridiculous that the death penalty still exists. I agree!
@@thisisachannel12 exactly, considering about a third of killed death row prisoners are later found innocent. Death penalty is the height of hypocrisy
the justice system in itself is supposed to impartial then again the death penalty would violate the 8th amendment.
@@thisisachannel12 I guess you support Nikolas Cruz
Well that one juror should pay for his life long prison sentence.
You are talking nonsense and dont even know the basic facts, only 7 people realy wanted the death penalty, 4 jurors were indecisive and 3 jurors voted agaist the death penalty
I really do not understand how this happened. This gives no justice to the families.
My heart breaks for these 17 families.
That's why I have always rejected being a juror. I've gotten pulled into a separate room twice because of my stand on 2 separate times. This case cements my stand. There are a lot of weak , spineless brain dead people who should not be allowed this responsibility.
Preach the truth
Yes. I was on a jury. They were more concerned about him having a felony on his record than doing justice for the victim.
isn't it weak and spineless to reject being a juror?
@@greg7656 alot of ignorant people talking themselves stupid in the comment section trying to win internet points
@@greg7656 Not if you're the bullet to the brain for all violent animals type. Then being upfront about that would just be the honest and most ethical thing to do.
How could that one juror spare his life he killed 17 and severely injuring more he didn’t spare anyones life I hope real justice gets served in prison
So him not spending “life in prison” is not real justice?
Boy yall got it bad thinking yall are the judge jury & executioner
The same way God spared our life…
The kids he killed didn’t deserve what happened to them, that’s not real justice either. Who cares about his life anyway, why should the prison system even keep him alive, rather see justice for these families.
Death is far too easy. He doesn't deserve to die and end his nightmare, he NEEDS to live with it for the rest of his natural life and suffer. Let's hope it breaks what's left of his twisted psyche
“Justice” means different things for different people, especially with situations like this. There’s also people who find that giving someone the death penalty isn’t the right route to go. I am for the death penalty. Others find that he will suffer more while spending the rest of his life in prison, which is another way of looking at it.
A juror who was probably adamantly opposed to the death penalty got onto the jury panel then in effect refused to deliberate during the sentencing process, knowing full well they would "win" a life sentence for the defendant by preventing a unanimous jury vote for death.
You are talking nonsense and dont even know the basic facts, only 7 people realy wanted the death penalty, 4 jurors were indecisive and 3 jurors voted agaist the death penalty
My heart breaks for your family. I lost my 22 year son last year from a brain bleed Its horrible. I am a ER Trauma Surgeon and I blame myself for missing the flags. He and his older brother were best friends. He struggles, when he saw this he could not believe it! God bless you all!
I'm so sorry for your loss! Our hairs on our head are numbered. God takes us when it is God's timing. I hope you can stop putting blame on yourself. I believe in Heaven and that life goes on after this life on Earth. I pray God comforts your family in Jesus' name. Amen
Omg I'm so sorry.
There’s nothing you could have done, and that’s the thing about grief… it makes you suffer with guilt for things you cannot change. Your son will Rest In Peace better when you finally heal with time and understanding. He wouldn’t want you to feel blame. Think of all the healing you have given other people, other patients. Yes, things won’t be the same without him but one day the weight of it all won’t feel so heavy. Time heals! Despite your religious beliefs, and regardless of wether or not you believe in an “after life”, he is with you and still loves you. There is nothing you could have done. ❤
@@user-zp3oz7op6w How dare you say such a thing? God is nothing, he’s as believable as Santa or the Easter bunny. But let’s just imagine for a second that he did actually exist. Tell me, what would some almighty, omnipotent and omniscient god need with an innocent 22 year old kid who hasn’t even started their life yet? And not only that, but to make them feel excruciating pain in the process? You can’t honestly sit here and justify that, can you? Of course not. But i’m sure you’ll try to anyways.
@@maydixon-yuras9927 Only God knows when our time is up and how we will pass. He also knows who will make it to Heaven and who will make it to hell. The ones who make it to Heaven will live for eternity without pain, sorrow or suffering. Heaven is a place of love. Earth is only a temporary place to live. I suggest you get right with the Lord if you don't want to end up in hell. We have free will. Things happen to us that are good and bad. I had a brain tumor and it brought me closer to God. Do not mock God because He knows all.
The system is Disgusting smh. I pray the families find peace.
This happens all the time. Death sentence is literally 50/50. It's pretty much the only thing that a juror can decide based on morals instead of facts and law.
Yep, the death penalty is disgusting. I agree.
@@thisisachannel12 Lmao look at yourself, troll
May God Bless those families who lost loved ones.
that would be the same god who sent Cruz in to kill their loved ones.
God is nothing. Hopefully those families get proper grief counseling/therapy. Rest in Peace to the innocent.
What's blessing gonna do in this situation? LOL. Throw out a few prayers and toss some pennies in the wishing well while you are at it.
@@mrtimz7666 the rapture is next year. I can do you one better. 🙏👽👑
They should kill the holdout juror who prevented justice
Shame on that juror. We need to have the death penalty in America for all murders that are found 100% guilty without any doubt and it would put a stop to a lot of murders because people don't mind spending their whole life in prison with their friends but they do care if they are dead.
Not all murders are equal, it’s all due to situation. This was definitely deserving of the death penalty
I don’t think most people consider the consequences tbh
It hasn't worked so far in the death penalty states.
May the 1 juror have nightmares every single night of their life of this vicious crime.
Damn I can feel that man’s pain!!! That monster does not deserve to walk around!
Agreed. All we can hope for is that the jury reconvenes or an inmate/guard gets the job done. Sadly the chances of that happening is slim to none.
Where is he gonna walk? Around a track? The kid will never see daylight again. His body will decay inside of a concrete slab for the next 50 years. Death penalty or life is sufficient. If I were him, I’d have asked for the death penalty.
@@maydixon-yuras9927 the man who killed four of my family members and a family friend suffered greatly in prison. The first few years he was beaten so much that he had to be kept in constant solitary confinement for his own safety. He was absolutely miserable. Then the day came that they carried out the death penalty and his punishment was suddenly over. It didn’t change anything for me. There was no sudden moment of happiness or clarity or healing or closure. It was just one more body in the graveyard. I wish he was still alive so he could keep rotting away in that jail cell. I wanted him to live a looooong life, a long miserable life. Knowing that was his miserable existence day in and day out gave me the feeling of there being justice.
@@nolaray1062 who was the guy? I need to look up this case
I can see you trying to argue that to God at the judgement when Christ came to cover mankind's sins.
That 1 person should not be antagonized. In fact now Cruz is going to suffer and rot in prison. He wanted the death penalty but that juror did not want that for him
Apparently it's not true new description says 9-3
@@jdogg0075 where did you read that
Um no. He will enjoy not going hungry and get access to books and exercise. He will live an OK life in prison after he adapts to it. Unlike his victims
The victims are dead, and killing Cruz won’t bring them back. Myself, I would have voted for the death penalty, but the jury has spoken, respect it, not everyone thinks death is a punishment. With how high profile Cruz is he’s likely to get killed in prison anyways, or kill himself.
That juror should feel shame and regret for the injustice that some of the poor surviving victims and families feel because of their choice.
You cannot speak for the families on the death penalty
@@fenian123 I fixed it to "some" just for you.
That Juror who voted against the death penalty and allowed this monster to continue drawing breath on this earth, has forever stained their hands with the blood of the dead. May their heart be forever full of guilt for allowing evil to win.
I can't believe it's taken 4 years for this to occur. This happened 4.5 yrs ago.
He’s white, that’s why it took so long to process.
You know they blame the 4 year delay on “covid”
@@hankventurez White passing. Look it up and come back with a better argument.
@@hankventurez How can I get deported if I am a citizen? To what country and why? 🤔 Come back when you learn basic debate skills.
@@hankventurez Who’s the sender again? I was literally born in the U.S. I think you’re confused af
IMHO, this is a big problem with our legal system... you can hardly get 12 people to agree on anything. The standard for conviction etc. should be more like 10 or 11 instead of requiring unanimous agreement.
The murder should not get death penalty. Death penalty should not even exist on state nor federal. It’s a immoral and very shortsighted.
@@The_North0 😂😂😂
@@The_North0 Nope... the legal system is flawed.... people shouldn't be able to skate on a crime just because 1 of 12 people is incapable of rational thought or worse - determined to ignore the law and substitute their personal beliefs. As far as the death penalty goes... it acts as a deterrent.
@@rhymereason3449 what makes you think it’s irrational thoughts? Just because someone has an opinion doesn’t mean their thoughts is irrational . Death penalty should never even exist on federal or state. That’s a fact. It’s wrong and immoral. No person should decides someone’s else fate because of someone’s misdeed. The fact that you are advocating death penalty, you are no different than the murder. You’re just as much of a violent person as he is because his behavior triggered you to engage in a violent behavior in name of so called, “justice”
@@The_North0 Would you still feel that way if someone took the life of your spouse, child, or parent? Most people are for a death penalty under certain circumstances. Believing that the majority of the country is no different than a school shooter for that belief.. is in fact, irrational.
Absolutely insane. Our world is so stupid
Such a good reminder to be the one person who speaks up, says something and does not ignore the red flags.
3 jurors voted life.
@@lumpstersmouse5471 my comment was in reference to the statement regarding the negligence to Cruz’s behavior throughout his life (not the jurors).
But to your comment, I’ve heard that 3 jurors considered life in prison during deliberations but when it came down to the final written statement only 1 juror voted for life, 11 for death.
@@courtneydillon4905
Sorry for misunderstanding your comment. I do agree with what you are saying.
It was definitely 3 women who voted life. I know 2 names but not the third as she is claiming that she was threatened by another juror.
@@lumpstersmouse5471 ah thank you for clarifying that for me!
It's a disgrace that these families didn't receive true justice today!!
real justice is that he gets to live in prison for the rest of his life. Death sentence would be the easy way out.
Coward juror. There's always one self righteous coward who wants to live in a bad world full of bad people.
She's one of these do-gooder irrationals who believes it will never happen to her. The bad people will only go around YOUR house, not hers.
What does his death have to do with the juror’s safety. No one is ever deterred by the death penalty. An eye for an eye leaves everyone blind
@@tdubmusketeer Death penalty deters the downstream murder of prison guards (which happen every year) and the further rapes and murders when prisoners escape (which happens every year). It is absolutely a deterrent to these further crimes and suffering. A friend of mine was murdered while working as a prison guard in California.
@@davidb2206 the evidence doesnt support that, although im sorry for your loss
@@rorycannon7295 The evidence fully supports the undeniable FACT that an executed prisoner cannot murder a prison guard, nor escape and rape and murder in the local citizen population near the prison.
The lone hold out needs to speak to the family and media so she can explain her actions.
Agree. Put that juror in a room with all the victim’s families and face them eye to eye.
@@aman-qj5sx Utter BS. There is nothing “deplorable” about accountability. There is NO mention of retaliation, just accountability. My post is simply an extension of Don Maduro’s in full agreement with him. Those families deserve a full explanation just as Don points out and I agree. Nothing more, nothing less.
@@aman-qj5sx The definition of “the right legislative decision” is what YOU believe it to be. Is the death penalty right or wrong? Was letting Cruz live out his life (albeit incarcerated) right or wrong? The correct answers are what YOU believe them to be. The victims families wanted the “right” decision…. death. What makes this the “right” decision? THEIR belief. What makes it the “wrong” decision? YOUR belief. Who’s right? Them or you? There are very strong arguments supporting both sides. But keeping with the original post, NO ONE is advocating repercussions for the lone hold out. Just a face-to-face explanation the victims families so richly deserve. That is ALL Don and myself have addressed in this post.
That single juror should be ashamed of themselves for the rest of their life
Why?
Why. That’s their decision
Gotta love our criminal Justice system, one life spared over 17 people, you will convince me that justice is served
Well considering if he had gotten death, it wouldn’t have been over. Families and victims would still have to watch and be present for every single appeal of the sentence. It just would’ve been continuous victimization. At least this way, he’ll die in prison and the families will never have to see him again
Not to mention the vote was 11-1 in favor of the death penalty, 1 single person got to decide the fate of someone who took 17 lives. But ig the 11 other peoples opinion doesn’t matter. Why is our system like this?
@@bankbill9670 its actually a good system even when the results are bad. Its hard to put innocent people into jail. If it was majority rules than everyone would be found guilty
Killing him wouldn’t bring them back. The thought of him rotting in a state prison in Florida for the rest of his life though makes it easier for me.
I don’t believe the state should have the ability to deprive any citizen of their life, no matter how despicable the person is.
@@bankbill9670 it was actually 3-9.
My heart ❤️ breaks for all of those family. May you find peace and comfort that you will be reunited some day.
Man that burns me up. That one juror never intended on giving him the death penalty. So that’s why the other jurors didn’t deliberate with her long. Because I’m sure she was adamant about her beliefs which she hid in the beginning so rest of them knew they were against a brick wall and gave up
How do you know it was a lady? Do you know who it was?? If you do please share i'm sure we'd all LOVE to know
@@lucasguerra2049 Lucas it's all over the internet. I'm not gonna plaster her name on here but articles state she wrote a letter to the judge how tense the jurors were towards her because of her vote for life.
You actually don't know that any of what you've said is true. You couldn't possibly, and it's immature and just plain ignorant to suggest that you know all of this about that person. There were actually 3 jurors who went with life in prison, for starters, according to the Jury Forman. This is the way these three chose to go, and it is their right to do so. What do you think the purpose of a jury is? The way you're speaking, you basically wanted them to unanimously call for the death penalty based on what we knew from the beginning, and that's equally unjust. The jury has made their decision. Let it be.
@@jlnriddick Well said.
The logic goes both ways - the other jurors were apparently just as quick to decide he did deserve the death penalty. They were required to consider the mitigating factors after considering the aggravating factors. So if the others had decided on death that quickly, they cannot have spent much time going through the mitigating factors.
If there was ever a case for the death penalty to send a big message, this was the one! Amazing that 1 juror can become the majority! How do we let that happen!
What an injustice.
The one juror gave them what they needed not what they wanted. Death is the easy way out once your life is over.
No it isn't. He still has to face his Creator for judgment
@@Glitterhead There isn’t a creator. God is nothing. The real punishment will be it spending the rest of its days in a cage.
Tell that to the family of the 12 year old Ted Bundy murdered after he escaped prison. You can't escape death 💀 🤪
@@jersmith1486 And just like cruz, bundy was an evil monster. Keyword, was. Be glad that evil has been vanquished.
@@jersmith1486 Rest in Peace to that innocent child.
Shame on that freaking jury member. They let 17 families down. I hope they feel guilty for hurting this many people who came to this trial ONLY to seek the justice they deserved for someone senselessly taking the lives of their loved ones! Justice was NOT served here. That jurer held up further healing for all these families. This is absolutely disgusting.
You are talking nonsense and dont even know the basic facts, only 7 people realy wanted the death penalty, 4 jurors were indecisive and 3 jurors voted agaist the death penalty
@@Nonowness I don't believe anyone should have their life threatened over this decision but Nikolas should have gotten the death penalty. Period. If we are talking God, lets go to the Eye For An Eye verse. Meaning you deserve the punishment of what you do to others. Sadly he doesn't have 16 extra lives to give. This guy is pure evil and even up until recently shows absolutely NO signs that he has remorse or wouldn't do it again given the chance. So your opinion is noted, but ignored.
Her name is DENISE CUNHA
And she needs to be held responsible
@@opossumfpv No offense to you because I whole heartedly believe that he should have gotten death but I also think we should respect the privacy and anonymity of the jury. We don't have to agree with a persons ruling but it should not be a witch hunt either just because we disagree with it. Which is why the jury is anonymous to begin with. I do think the decision was wrong and did not truly serve justice and I was outraged by him not getting punished to the fullest extent but I don't think someone should be ousted or threatened over their decision.
@@melaniem4798 it's not an anonymous jury. Their names are public record and these idiots are doing interviews on CNN. It's sickening
This is what ya get when you teach people all life is precious.
Man, i hope some inmates hes with know the coward Nikolas is and that they deal their own justice.
@E Boston what triggers you about when someone sais he will get his inside , something triggers inside of you like you want to take away that thought of reassurance . Why so weird
@E Boston you probably got angry when you read his comment because you back nikolas and are a sicko like him prolly
It’s a vile evil decision and these families needed true justice my heart goes out to them …..
The system worked as intended. There is no such thing as justice, only a just punishment. Cruz will die behind bars. Fast or slow, what does it matter except to sate your own bloodlust?
In the New Nation, this will never happen.
@@davidb2206 What do you mean “New Nation”? Justice has been served.
I’m not even for the death penalty and could see how this is crazy that he was not sentenced to death.
Basing the system on jurors is what makes it so stupid.
It's unbelievable that he gets to live.
It's worse than that. It's ANOTHER plain evil and it damages the country.
@@matthewberkin2274 doesn't sound like he was very wise if he thinks everyone's a crisis actor
Damn should’ve put me on that jury. I would’ve had no trouble doing the right thing
I have respect for you. We need more people with strong senses of justice. Evil must be thoroughly destroyed.
You’d be coming in with your mind made up already. You would likely have been rejected….if you were honest
If I were on the jury, I would have enough sense to give you death penalty for thinking this way no matter what your intentions are.
@@maydixon-yuras9927 no, you need to be destroyed for thinking that way. Your shortsightedness is the main problems in this world.
These kind of Trials NEED to be done MUCH FASTER. And the Verdicts should reflect the SEVERITY of the Crime.
there are already innocent people on death row we dont need more.
One person decided his fate. Unbelievably unfair.
My heart 💔 is crushed 😭
if this doesn’t warrant the death penalty I don’t know what does
I am so sorry for the loss! I can only imagine that today's verdict was heart wrenching! I pray God peace and comfort surround you today!
Funny how you mention prayer and God but at the same time feel it's heart wrenching that they didn't get to have someone's life taken.
Anyone religious would know no one has the right to take someone's life
And besides. The death sentence is not the same as it once was. If the idea is for Nikolas Cruz to suffer... the death sentence is done in a very humane and peaceful way nowadays. He won't feel any pain and leave this planet peacefully. And with a belly full of any food of his choice. Since the death sentence grants you any last meal of your choice... literally anything.
Most people... good people will die painfully from heart attacks or weeks in a hospital from cancer or whatever while Nikolas Cruz gets a belly full of any food and a peaceful death sentence with no pain. How is that justice?
Instead of having him suffer for decades to see only walls, no technology and the same crap food every day. And he was born in modern technology which makes it worse to no longer have it anymore.
The irony lmao
God is nothing. Their peace and comfort will have to come from the fact that the monster will spend the rest of its life in a squalid cell.
Lmao Christians should really stay out this one cause remember you guys are ProLife! The irony when you guys get to decide when it’s right to take a life all sudden
2 wrongs don't make a right grandma. He should just stay life in prison
I send heartfelt peace and live to the families that lost their family member.
I went to a very liberal college. A professor divided the class in half at random, with half assigned to make the case for the death penalty, and the other against it. The experiment lasted about five minutes. The results? Those assigned to argue against it, couldn't even role-play it out for the sake of argument. There was no debate. The entire class was for the death penalty under certain circumstances.
I support it. But I think the anti havw the better arguments so your class must have been comprised of a bunch of dimwits.
Not one holdout juror. All but one bloodthirsty juror! If murder is wrong, it's wrong for everybody.
What bothers me is how quickly the other 11 agreed to the life sentence instead of sticking it out and trying to show that one juror the reason the death penalty is the correct verdict. They were not out long enough.
Why is the death sentence the correct verdict?
@@pnut3844able Because the victims didn't get that choice.
@@pnut3844able because anyone who takes the life of so many people, children at that, do not deserve to live themselves
@@Arcadianx98 he WANTS to die. Life in prison will be far worse. He'll die from a shank instead of going to sleep peacefully. Y'all ever think about that?
@@silentslayergaming8469 sorta like abortion right ?
My heart goes out to the families and friends affected by the actions of one pure evil, vicious, cold hearted killer. This is an absolute injustice and I pray for peace and comfort to surround those left heartbroken by this evil act. Bless you all. Xo ❤
The brother and father spoke well. Prayers for them and all involved.
Sending love and peace to all of these families ❤
I have been on three Philadelphia juries, and the one person who does not vote your way, sucks so you know what you do you stay in the jury room and you keep deliberating, not end after day two even the judge should have seen this and sent them back to get a unanimous decision!!!
If i was the one person who didn't agree id have a damn good reason and no amount of waiting would change my choice
Damn right! 💯
In others words, force, threaten and cohorse someone to vote like everyone else??? That’s not how justice works!
@@rebeccaspires8532 that one got their way, same thing.
@@diseasedpanda7418 Good thing you’re not on any important jury!
I wonder how that one juror feels and how knowing that they’re the sole reason the monster lives, despite the pleas from the families. I’m unsure how I feel about what I would do, but it’s crazy that this juror will have to deal with this in their conscious forever and I wish there was a way to see how it unfolds mentally for them throughout life.
Crazy.
Mentally irrational juror. I would put her in prison with him.
Omg give it a rest edgelord
They do not care
I'd do the same thing in the jurors situation. Life in prison is pretty hellish, death is quick and painless.
probably vindicated in that they did what they felt was right. not sure why you think they would suddenly feel guilty over it when it was explicitly the thing that they voted for. the death penalty is wrong, and there is no justification for it other than a retributive killing makes you personally feel good.
Way to raise the bar for death penalty....waaaay to go.
11 members of the jury did not listen to the evidence.
Huh
I can’t imaging what this families are feeling right now. 🥺 I hope they finde peace one day. 🕊🙏🏻😔
Wow. Sending prayers & strength to the families who will forever grieve for their beautiful angels.
Prayers don’t do anything, those families need access to quality grief counseling and therapy if they desire. Rest in Peace to the innocent lives taken by nauseating evil.
@@maydixon-yuras9927 "prayers don't do anything " yet in the same sectance mentions evil? lol yes prayers don't do anything if you don't have belief In Jesus Christ buy if you do there's most definitely power in prayer. mmay God comfort the family of the deaseced may he bring nick to salvation aswell..
@@dego6595 Yes, because it’s the truth. Regardless if you believe in a fictional character or not, nothing will happen unless people make it happen.
@@dego6595 There can be no salvation for that monster. It’s crimes are unforgivably evil. And if there was a god that would forgive them, then he’s just as lowly.
Prayers? 🤣🤣 Yes your sky daddy is gonna love him. Your sky daddy is the biggest mass murder ever. And that’s from your own fictional book. Your sky daddy can have him. Hopefully someone gets to him quick but makes him suffer first.
He makes an excellent point about has one person done there job at BSO and the others yet it took just one Person to save this wretches life🤯
You are talking nonsense and dont even know the basic facts, only 7 people realy wanted the death penalty, 4 jurors were indecisive and 3 jurors voted agaist the death penalty
The jury foreman said one lady said that she felt like you cannot put a "mentally ill" person to death.
I’m so very sorry it came to this😔 I’m praying for the families who are going through hurt all over again!🙏🏻
Prayers don’t do anything. Those families need proper grief counseling/therapy if they desire. Rest in Peace to those innocent children.
@May Dixon-Yuras did you know that the desire for vengeance goes against grief counseling and therapy?
AMEN Born Again Belie
@@maydixon-yuras9927 you’re wrong. God will give them peace.
I'm so so 😞 sorry. Truly praying for all the families and victims 🙏 😢 💔
Those jurors that voted no should be investigated . They seem to enjoy Cruz's actions.
If a thief steals from me do i hv the right to steal from him? No!, if a rapist rapes one of my fam members, do i hv the right to rape em? No!, if a killer kills one of my fam members, do i hv the right to kill him? No! All these people who wanted the death penalty hv all this hate and will probally neva be happy for the rest of there living lives!!!!
Absolutely the best to the families and all effected💙
Every member of these victims family's just got another bullet to the heart, so unfair, they did not get justice, hopefully somewhere down the road, justice will be done.
I did not, like many, expect this outcome😢
I am truly sorry these victims and families did not get the justice and closure they deserved
So so so sorry💔😞
Well, let's hope that Cruz gets some serious prison justice. RIP to those 17 victims. I hope that one errant juror loses sleep over their idiocy.
The death Penalty has become a painless medical procedure. Life is crueler.
Here is how that juror can walk away feeling good about their decision....IT WAS NOT THEIR BABIES BEING MURDERED. IT WAS YOUR BABIES BEING MURDERED. NOTHING MATTERS MORE TO A PERSON UNLESS IT HAPPENS TO THEM. PERIOD.
God bless these families; we will never forget them💜
God is nothing. I hope these families get access to quality grief counseling/therapy. That will be the closest thing to a blessing. Rest in Peace to the innocent.
Agree. If a juror has an issue with the death penalty they shouldn't serve. If any case deserves the death penalty this is it
It is horrible my heart goes out to these families cant even imagine their pain nothing will bring them back unfortunately not everyone believes in the death penalty
So sorry for the families and victims
One thing cannot and must not be forgotten: the majority can never replace man. It is always the advocate not only of stupidity but of cowardice as well, and just as a hundred fools put together do not add up to a sage, a heroic decision is not likely to come from a hundred cowards.'
- Johh .F. Kenndy , 1961.
jfk was a hypocrite and a cheater in more ways than once. but what exactly is the the intellectually honest reason for keeping these people alive?
Ironic, you're quoting a coward. 🤔
"Heroic decision". This guy slaughtered innocent people and one very weak feeble minded useless human being decided that justice should not be served. One person decided that being a serial killer isnt that bad. There was no heroism, there was no wisdom, there was only cowardice from the juror and the man quoted. Plus this quote was a wordy way to say that "going with the flow" isnt always the way, and how taking your own path takes bravery. There is zero bravery in any jurors decision, as their decisions, words, thoughts are private and protected by the full force of the law. It doesnt take bravery to make a decision and live with it, as a juror. But to allow a serial killer to live shows nothing but fear and cowardice. Fear to do what is necessary, fear to do what is morally right, fear to do what the peaceful members of the community want done. This person is a coward and anyone who supports their decision is a fool, and most likely a coward.
@@Jamie-lw5sy How is JFK a coward ?
@@cagneybillingsley2165 All presidents are hypocrites.
Imagine thinking that the defense has any obligation towards victim’s families.
Ya the statists are like you shouldn’t be able to have a defense…. Maybe they would rather have a Roland Freisler style “peoples court” where the verdict and sentence are pre determined. I’m sure they would love that until they got sentenced to 15 years for a speeding ticket while being a dissident or not having favor with the ruling class .
@@ae1586 it’s like people aren’t allowed to not believe in the death penalty I don’t even know where I stand on this issue to be honest but I understand a lot of people are gonna be down to kill someone
This guy is a total jerk. Justice was served, and this guy should apologize to the defense attorneys and the jurors.
that one juror will regret this for the rest of his/her life.. you are a horrible person.