Incorrect! Ppl are allowed their own decisions and even change their minds. The interview I saw stated 3 were for life and one after hearing about his mental state changed her mind.
@@redoksunflower his mental state should be exactly why she voted for the DP. Many people over his life tried to fix his mental state and he is unredeemable. Prison is for rehabilitation
He hunted down his victim which were children and executed them and he planned the whole thing and he gets life without parole! How many children must he execute to get the death penalty? I’m confused! Is their a number?
The decision to recommend the D penalty is not just based on the crime, it’s got a lot to do with mitigating circumstances, etc. This is why the trial focused heavily on establishing his state of mind.
I agree it had nothing to do with the number. He never should have even been placed into MSD school. He should have been in a care facility but no one department ever wants to accept responsibility for these types of brain damaged people. look what the state has spent now to prosecute this guy. They could have paid for him to have round the clock care for his entire life for less money I’d say… and that’s what he needed. No access to guns and the Internet and no one watching what he was doing.
It was a death penalty case, but someone decided he deserved to rot. Nothing you can do about it. He will die in a box either way. You can’t force someone to choose to kill someone. He didn’t get what he wanted. We should be happy he’s probably miserable.
@@AnaDiaz-wz4cf I really don’t understand this train of thought. You know the death penalty usually takes decades to be a thing, then the families would have the wound reopened again when it comes to appeals and the countdown to the day. 🤨 What if he got a stay? No one had mercy on him. That wasn’t even an option. Your need for delayed vengeance is, though, and its honestly gross. I’d off him myself, happily, but justice doesn’t work that way, children.
Just because they are for the death penalty doesn’t mean they have to impose after hearing the aggravating and mitigating factors…it’s was the whole point of this for the jury to hear the evidence, and clearly 3 out of the 12 felt some of the mitigating factors felt it wasn’t warranted.
Opposition to the death penalty doesn't mean they will definitely recommend it. If they only wanted jurors to do that then what would be the point of this penalty phase? They'd just give him death. No need for all of this.
I just don't see what would call for a death penalty if this doesn't. My heart broke watching the family members hearing "no". The wife and son that walked out was my breaking point. We can't imagine being in their shoes, we can try, but would you really want to let someone that viciously killed your babies or husband life a long, easy life with a free bed and free meals, free health care? I just don't see how allowing these people to live, basically getting away scot-free, is going to set an example for others who think about doing these types of crimes.
Hi - I do think that a person who did not have fetal alcohol syndrome and obvious brain damage who did this crime, or even way less than this crime, could be held to a death penalty, but I think in this horribly sad case, the person committing the crime should have never been put in the situation he was in. He should never have gone to that mainstream high school and he should never have been allowed to be alone, let alone purchase a weapon etc etc. He should have been in a home for mentally disabled people where he had someone watching him every day.
Aside from everything presented in the case, aside from the wishes of the victims' families, it depends on how you view it. Some would say that having to rot in prison for the rest of your life knowing what you did, is the harsher punishment. Also, I would like to offer a different perspective: if someone is sui. cid. al, they may commit harsher crimes in hopes of either death by cop, or death by trial. There are cases when the families are angry and upset that the person got to get off scot-free by way of death.c"cc"":$⁷::⁷$$⁸8y::::⁷g7g%%%%%and
They would’ve never gotten a unanimous vote. There’s many that don’t believe in the death penalty. And just because the families want somebody dead, doesn’t mean they should die.
Something else that would be sad for the parents is 20 years of appeals if he had been sentenced to death. More court appearances, dragging this out even longer for what? The possibility that maybe even Florida would get rid of the death penalty by the time he exhausted all of his appeals. Every single day is a sad day for these families, whether that guy gets life or death.
This is just plain weird.... the jury only in deliberation for 7.5 hours with one juror against the death penalty? WTH?!! So just like that, with no discussion or persuasion from the other jurors, no re-evaluating any testimony or documents of the brutality of this horrific crime?!! In 7.5 hours?!! This is asinine!!!!
One juror was a hard-core hold out with a 'no' for the DP. The jury decided to sleep on it. When the next day arrived and nothing had changed they gave up and submitted their illogical decision to the court. There is NO way that the aggravating factors didn't outweigh the so-called 'mitigating' factors.
@@dianahosu5244 It’s a messed up system in favor of the defendant & he is laughing from the inside. We’ll see how he’ll laugh for when the people inside the prison all wants a piece of him.
Yeah it really has been one of the longest trials over something that was very straightforward. Many strange things happening over the trial as well. Very disappointing for those poor parents and families. 💔
Why was a juror that did not believe in the death penalty allowed to sit on this jury. She should have been honest from the get go and recused herself because of her beliefs. These crime were so hanous that he should have gotten the death penalty. He plead guilty, there is no debate, he deserves death. What about the parents that will never see their children grow up and never have families, She should have never been allowed to sit on this jury.
Everybody's calling it a Mistrial forcing the judge to reverse her decision because 1 juror has not only lied but was influenced and the rules stipulate your not allowed to have any person juror,judge or lawyer or anybody influence your decision so.... Mistrial
Ugh i am so sick of people coming forward AFTER the events and not while they are happening! This juror has millions of chances to tell someone that they were being threatened when it was going on...
@@anitakristensen4679 That’s my thinking too. There is rightful outrage at showing this monster mercy with a life sentence when he showed none to those he murdered and tried to murder.
@@LD86 just watched a news report, that the juror tried to make the complaint. While they were deliberating. But still, this should of been death penalty.
this penalty is disgusting, he posted on Social media ''I will be the next school shooter', he shoot 138 times and hunted down those poor poor children, why even spent £££ for him to sit in prison? WTF?
The problem is in part the fault of Florida Law. There should be no circumstance whereby ONE juror can decide the fate of a defendant that is in opposition to the other 11 jurors. This is a flawed system.
@Melissa Jayne I don't know of a case where this has ever happened. But I do know they would have either had to start over OR it would be a "Hung jury" & they would have to begin the trail again with a new jury? This verdict was BS!! I have been on a murder trial in Texas & I can guarantee you that I would have said "NO" when polled in this case! Almost all juries get polled after their decision!
@Melissa Jayne I'm not 100% positive, but I think because the jury has to be unanimous for death they probably would have been sent back into deliberations, and if the jury was still unable to make up their minds they might have had to do a retrial. Either way a hung jury would not get him the death penalty because they all have to agree to it.
This is a slam dunk death penalty case. He did it. Tons of witnesses saw him do it. The physical evidence prove that he did it. This act of terrorism was carefully planned out and he had no remorse after the act was done. He willingly surrendered to police instead of taking himself out which means that at the very least, he wanted to live. He didn't bother giving the victims a chance to live so his life should be forfeited.
Threatened like "you lied to get on this jury and I'm reporting your lies as perjury" or "vote for death or face peoples wrath"? It makes a difference.
@valcaron I agree. I just mean in terms of impacting the jury's decision. Threats are not okay, but the kind of threat does matter for legal purposes here I think. Either way no need to threaten someone if you think they are lying, just report to the bailiff.
@@dracofalconis7865 If you're that hung up on money, you should be aware that the cost to tax payers of placing him on death row would be significantly higher.
@@dracofalconis7865 it’ll cost tax payers around $1.26 million to put him to death. That’s counting the years he’s in prison for all of his appeals and then the cost of putting to death and burial. It’ll cost around $740.000 to keep him in prison.
Just highlights the weakness in our society it seems. If you think killing 17 kids and adults in a school doesn't warrant instant death, regardless of any mental health issues, seems as crazy as he is. If a dog is rabid and bit 17 kids in a school, you don't not put it down because it's not his fault he's rabid. He planned this. It was calculated and executed, he went room to room, murdering children on valentines day. Imagine looking those grieving parents in the eye, after burying their children and suffering the facts of this case for all this time, and making them suffer the fact that they will now be paying for this animal to have three meals and a bed to sleep in. Sad
No one knows what that juror's reasoning was, nor who that juror is. Just go by actual facts. The families wanted the death penalty, but the juror decided against it for some reason. The juror decided against family wishes.
Florida actually had majority jury rule and/or judge imposed death sentence until 2016 when the Supreme Court of United States struck down that statute with the Hurst v. Florida decision. That lead to death sentences being unanimous and removed judge imposed death sentences. You are seeing that decision play out today.
Actually what you’re saying is not entirely correct. Hurst v. Florida applied the rule of Ring v. Arizona to the Florida capital sentencing scheme, holding that the Sixth Amendment requires a jury to find the aggravating factors necessary for imposing the death penalty. In Florida, under a 2013 statute, the jury made recommendations but the judge decided the facts. The decision in Hurst only removed the judges power to ultimately decide on advice from the jury. It made clear that only a jury could sentence someone to death. This ruling did not change Florida’s juror supermajority rule. It was actually the Florida Supreme Court that ruled against the supermajority rule. After Hurst, the Florida legislature passed a new statute to comply with the judgement in March 2016, changing the sentencing method to require a 10-juror supermajority for a sentence of death with a life sentence as the alternative. This new sentencing scheme was struck down by the Florida Supreme Court in a 5-2 ruling in October 2016. The court held that a death sentence must be issued by a unanimous jury.
@@cboy0394 You’re correct. I didn’t lay out every single detail but I did say that Hurst vs Florida did lead to where we are now and that is entirely true. A lead B which lead to C.
That father was right yesterday when he said peoples’ feelings or religion should be out of the equation when considering a punishment, an eye for an eye is the only REAL justice, & no one but the criminal decides what the punishment will be since it would be what they did to the poor victim, let them have a trial, let the jury decide guilty or innocent, give punishment immediately, that’s a deterrent, & the focus is placed on the victim & the crime WHERE IT OUGHT TO BE, this system is not justice, this system we have now is a JOKE.
Imo, a Christian person should be upfront about there beliefs during selection and should avoid being on a jury. Their duty to the Lord wouldn't allow certain judgements to be passed onto their peers
Hey Richard. This verdict has not one single thing about it that includes “glory” this is an outrage and I’m sorry for your naïveté regarding criminals.
The victims were murdered or attempted to be murdered. They're gone. Others who will never be the same. The verdict needs to be appropriate and if that means death, it should have been death.
@@Kepi_Kei I believe Cruz deserves death too. As far as victims go, there are victims of this tragedy alive today; the parents, the siblings, the friends, the school staff, other students who were there that day, it goes on and on. Cruz didn't just make 17 victims that day, he made hundreds of victims.
the juror deserves the backlash. Why is the death penalty even in our system if it wasnt used here. Every serial killer has a mental health issue, do we just not kill anyone for horrible crimes anymore? Where is the justice.
A lot of people a clearly not happy with the sentence but I will say this. If this guy lives into his 80's he will have to spend about 60 years in a small room looking at the wall. That in my mind is worse than being able to check out.
@@hellothere-vs5el He is getting a lot more than his 17 victims got. None of those jurors would look at the victims famlies. The three jurors that were no should have at least had the courage to watch the victims families being re victimized again.
@@rachelwalsh6116 families aren’t judges or lawyers. They’re laymen. In no modern society should they decide fates. They would’ve never gotten a unanimous vote. There’s many that don’t believe in the death penalty.
@@buddybrax jury should not decide whether or not someone sentence as that should be a judge. Someone mental state should not matter on if someone gets the death penalty. This guy killed kids and grown ups. Like the family's are saying is all are saying the murder live is more important then the kids who was murderd.
So does mine. I can't imagine being able to live the rest of my life if that happened to me. I wish for those 3 jurors to take the place that murderer should have taken, soon.
@@zxyatiywariii8 agree…👍🏻 People put down the “thoughts and prayers” thing, but I am with you totally…👍🏻 I wish I could be there with these families, but all I can do from here, so many miles away, is think of them and pray for them… and that should be enough for those who criticize … what are they doing? They are putting g negativity into the air instead of positivity… doesn’t have to be praying, but peaceful vibes… Better to think of and pray for someone than do nothing…
This is not fair.. Why spare his life? I'm so disgusted. They heartbreak just keeping going for these families. The one thing that could have comforted them was just taken away. So sorry. Love from KS💞
@@CatholicsForTrump people given the death penalty usually never make it to that punishment. It was the simple fact that 12 people said his life is more important than all of their loved ones. Simple as that.
The law must be changed to majority rule so that a juror that lies about being able to give the death penalty when warranted is nullified. It's insane that 1 juror can nullify what everyone else deems appropriate. Why is 1 person's opinion more important than the majority?
That was the law until 2016. The Supreme Court of the United States struck down majority rule and Judge imposed death sentences with the Hurst v. Florida decision. Florida had to conform to the Supreme Court decision.
The juror who refused to vote for the death penalty told the judge during Voir Dire that they could vote for the death penalty if they felt the evidence would show that the death penalty was appropriate. All potential jurors must answer that question. Many opponents of the death penalty lie about their true beliefs during this process. I’m sure in their minds they see themselves as champions of a great cause to save lives. The problem is, in my opinion, some people deserve the death penalty for their evil murders.
@@boomds5602 lmfao oof she got doxxed. Too bad for her, at least now she has to live with the fact that she's the reason these families are hurting again and this whole case was irrelevant because of her. People have the right to know who was the one that made these families hurt again with the outcome they didn't want.
The woman who opted for life in prison voted her personal opinion she did not put herself in the shoes of the victims the whole entire world knows that the death penalty should have been imposed and if she had any children imagine what it was like for her child to be hunted down sometimes you have to make a decision not based on personal feelings and I hope that you're hates herself for the rest of her life
The US is one of the few countries in the world allowing death penalty...it is a medieval practice. Why would you want a state to behave like a cold murderer? Shouldn't it aim for a higher morality? What about all these people beleving in God and forgiveness?
How do you know any of those who voted in favor of the DP did not vote their personal opinion? All this talk about how the juror(s) who voted for LWOP must have lied during the selection process and were never ever going to vote for the DP no matter what, but somehow those who voted the other way are immune to lying during jury selection and were absolutely truthful, objective, and free of any error the whole way through. The rampant mindset in the comments of “I don’t like the verdict, so those responsible for it are wrong/problematic/corrupt and deserve to be punished” is so indicative of a primitive nature and outrageous sense of entitlement. And if judicial sphere in regards to the death penalty continues moving in the direction it has for the past couple decades, you can expect capital punishment at the state-level to become virtually nonexistent.
It's disgusting that someone can plan and carry out atrocious acts like this. Absolutely vile. Why should he (Cruz) be allowed to live after what he did.
That woman juror will regret her decision even though she will lie and say she doesn't. That decision and the faces and screams of those murdered victims will haunt her dreams and drive her crazy. And, rightfully so.
I hope everybody knows exactly which juror it was, so she can live with the public shame of being the one who let that monster off the hook for the rest of her life.
This has been a travesty!!! These families have been victimized over and over again and now this!!! All a waste of time as that one juror knew full well he could not and would not vote death!!!!!
I agree....have you read the Bible? It's going to get worse....you can read scripture and it perfectly describes what we're seeing in society today (what scripture calls the end times). If we're not nearing the end of the end times, God help us. Everything is off the rails at this point....
Then offer kindness and love thts the only way we gone save each other we all see violence doesnt work hate dont work so why dont we try kindness an love im hopeful for you and me sir i have to be my faith in God tells me this
@@joannekropf3436 We are literally abandoning everything godly with the way this new generation is moving. I dont want to get poilitical but you know exactly what im talking about, everything is against the bible now and its disgusting.
Despite the fact that there appears to be Jury tampering, State Prosecutors are NOT looking to set aside the verdict. Why not?? State declared this to be a "safety issue" & nothing more. Apparently 2 Jurors were in fact threatened or intimidated during Deliberations. Apparently, during the reading of the Verdict, 1 Juror was trying to get the attention of Judge Scherer but she didn't see this person doing so. Today, the State asked & received permission from Judge Scherer, to have the Sheriff's Department to conduct an investigation into this matter. Was it this lone Juror who had said she NEVER planned to vote for the Death Penalty who committed this possible crime? This is absolute craziness. My heart goes out to the Families who now have more anguish to go through because of these new allegations. God be with them as they sort through today's new declarations.
The families and victim’s pain is heartbreaking. If this case didn’t call for the DP, I don’t know what would. But I don’t know of any cause or case that would undo this decision.
Now let’s prosecute the school cop, Scott Peterson, who cowered outside the school as this one young man slaughtered 17 young people and ruined the lives of many more with wounds both physical and psychological.
I hope he gets the Dahmer treatment. 🙏🤞 My heart hurts for the families; the parents, wives, children of the slain. The teachers who rescued the survivors. The mentally traumatized of the community.
Unbelievable he will get to live his life getting 3 meals a day, exercise, a bed and absolutely no serious repercussions for his horrific murder of 17 innocent people. Let's pray that he lives in fear every second of the day, continually looking over his shoulder. He deserves to suffer as much as every parent. Their thoughts after the trial were horrendous to listen too, everyone of them full of anger at such an unjust verdict. He must be the most hated monster in the World right now and justifiably so. What was that 1 juror thinking by allowing him to live!! Heartbreaking 💔
@@LD86 So only people who believe in the death penalty can be on a jury? Sounds unfair and biased. The purpose of having a jury is that it's a group of random people with mixed opinions and ideas. Most of the jurys probably were biased in the opposite direction and were going to vote for DP regardless.. This is why it's important to have many different ideas/opinions/people.
@@LD86 exactly, that is also bias. So they need people that are open to either way, if you are strictly against it, you are basically wasting the courts time cus this whole section here was SOLELY to determine life OR death, he was already convicted lmao.
I don't get why all pple say it was 11-1, although the foreperson of the jury gave an interview in front of a cam , saying there were 3 jurors voting for Life!?
I sincerely doubt this is going to change the sentence. The only thing that could come out of this is charges against a juror or a contempt of court. Any official declaration of a mistral would cause a delay and would cause this to work its way up to SCOTUS.
if there was one juror who stood up to every other juror, i highly doubt they'll live to regret their vote. death penalty also seems like the easy escape from punishment so if the goal is punishment....💁🏾♀
This juror may have decided at last minute they believe he indeed deserves Death but feels they can't be part of deciding that..even if that's the case that is what alternate jurors are for so how about contact the Judge DURING deliberations and ask to be replaced-NOT after the verdict has been handed down.Most likely scenario is this juror never intended to vote for death regardless of evidence and in that case this juror has indeed caused a mess and should be charged with something.These families do not deserve to have a repeat of the last several months.
Then who should? A single juror? The emotional families? The outraged public? That’s a terrible idea. The point of a jury is to have differing viewpoints to render a fair verdict. That would be like making the government one party.
If we would just subject ONE CONVICTED INDIVIDUAL to the exact manner of death that such individual forced upon their victim/s, I promise that we would see a drop in such heinous actions!
No. That one juror will live to regret her shenanigans! That rule of one jury vote needs to be permanently voided for every state in U.S. Go with majority juror verdict, especially in death penalty cases.
Three jurors voted for life. And a unanimous decision is encouraged but not required in all situations. This one it was due to severity. But the point of a jury is to have different viewpoints
So what I've heard so far is that his attorney flipped the families off and laughed with him and now a juror was threatened??? Wow my heart breaks for the families who've been dealt just another blow after another
Death is not justice it’s vengeance. He is young, letting him sit in prison for the rest of his life is the correct punishment. He will never know the comforts of normal life. I would rather die then not have them
Amazing how many people speak of this sentence, as if a huge miscarriage of justice was perpetrated, simply because they didn't get to act out their vengeance-fantasy. In the case of a large number of comments, it honestly feels like people thought he was found not-guilty.
What’s wild to me is that the lady on the defense got all butthurt and flipped off the camera and laughed with NC for a while. Like she wasn’t mad she lost a argument
The flipside to the same coin is that if a juror is not allowed to vote for LWOP instead of the death penalty, then the trial is pointless, they may as well just sentence him to death as soon as he pled guilty and save a shed load of time and legal fees.
One of the parents was right, someone went into that jury room with a clear intention not to enact the death penalty.
MISTRIAL!!!!
Incorrect! Ppl are allowed their own decisions and even change their minds. The interview I saw stated 3 were for life and one after hearing about his mental state changed her mind.
Absolutely. I smell a rat
@@redoksunflower his mental state should be exactly why she voted for the DP. Many people over his life tried to fix his mental state and he is unredeemable. Prison is for rehabilitation
Perjury!
He hunted down his victim which were children and executed them and he planned the whole thing and he gets life without parole! How many children must he execute to get the death penalty? I’m confused! Is their a number?
The decision to recommend the D penalty is not just based on the crime, it’s got a lot to do with mitigating circumstances, etc. This is why the trial focused heavily on establishing his state of mind.
I agree it had nothing to do with the number. He never should have even been placed into MSD school. He should have been in a care facility but no one department ever wants to accept responsibility for these types of brain damaged people. look what the state has spent now to prosecute this guy. They could have paid for him to have round the clock care for his entire life for less money I’d say… and that’s what he needed. No access to guns and the Internet and no one watching what he was doing.
I mean the golden state killer got life without parole. The grim reaper got lwop
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Its guarenteed that Cruz will kill again before he dies , other prisoners , wardens none will be safe from the evil that rules Cruz
It’s absolutely ridiculous that the death penalty wasn’t chosen. This was truly undoubtedly a death penalty case
It was a death penalty case, but someone decided he deserved to rot. Nothing you can do about it. He will die in a box either way. You can’t force someone to choose to kill someone. He didn’t get what he wanted. We should be happy he’s probably miserable.
Like WHY put those families thru that whole trial just for that outcome🥺 they were re traumatized by everything.
It’s because they felt bad he had a hard childhood. So what a lot of us did.
@@AnaDiaz-wz4cf I really don’t understand this train of thought. You know the death penalty usually takes decades to be a thing, then the families would have the wound reopened again when it comes to appeals and the countdown to the day. 🤨 What if he got a stay? No one had mercy on him. That wasn’t even an option. Your need for delayed vengeance is, though, and its honestly gross. I’d off him myself, happily, but justice doesn’t work that way, children.
@@user-pt1cz4ot1e Why you got to call people children to make yourself feel superior or something like "Ya look how informed and smart i am everybody"
They’re asked when selected if they’re opposed to the death sentence. That person must have lied because there’s no reason he shouldn’t have got death
Just because they are for the death penalty doesn’t mean they have to impose after hearing the aggravating and mitigating factors…it’s was the whole point of this for the jury to hear the evidence, and clearly 3 out of the 12 felt some of the mitigating factors felt it wasn’t warranted.
Thats not the problem the problem is that there are more than two jurors, just two were needed for this kind of outcome.
@@ferminangelcarhuajulcaguil1196 no, just 1 was
@@HayastAnFedayi well they were wrong
Opposition to the death penalty doesn't mean they will definitely recommend it. If they only wanted jurors to do that then what would be the point of this penalty phase? They'd just give him death. No need for all of this.
I just don't see what would call for a death penalty if this doesn't. My heart broke watching the family members hearing "no". The wife and son that walked out was my breaking point. We can't imagine being in their shoes, we can try, but would you really want to let someone that viciously killed your babies or husband life a long, easy life with a free bed and free meals, free health care? I just don't see how allowing these people to live, basically getting away scot-free, is going to set an example for others who think about doing these types of crimes.
I agree. It’s absolutely ridiculous and heartless
Than why have a jury. Just give him the death penalty.
Hi - I do think that a person who did not have fetal alcohol syndrome and obvious brain damage who did this crime, or even way less than this crime, could be held to a death penalty, but I think in this horribly sad case, the person committing the crime should have never been put in the situation he was in. He should never have gone to that mainstream high school and he should never have been allowed to be alone, let alone purchase a weapon etc etc. He should have been in a home for mentally disabled people where he had someone watching him every day.
Huh? “easy life” umm? he will be in prison for the rest of his life.
He is definitely not getting off “scot-free”
Aside from everything presented in the case, aside from the wishes of the victims' families, it depends on how you view it. Some would say that having to rot in prison for the rest of your life knowing what you did, is the harsher punishment.
Also, I would like to offer a different perspective: if someone is sui. cid. al, they may commit harsher crimes in hopes of either death by cop, or death by trial.
There are cases when the families are angry and upset that the person got to get off scot-free by way of death.c"cc"":$⁷::⁷$$⁸8y::::⁷g7g%%%%%and
Sad day for the parents! Sad day!
They would’ve never gotten a unanimous vote.
There’s many that don’t believe in the death penalty.
And just because the families want somebody dead, doesn’t mean they should die.
life in prison is not a sad day
Something else that would be sad for the parents is 20 years of appeals if he had been sentenced to death. More court appearances, dragging this out even longer for what? The possibility that maybe even Florida would get rid of the death penalty by the time he exhausted all of his appeals. Every single day is a sad day for these families, whether that guy gets life or death.
Even the judge looks disappointed with the outcome
I thought so too!!
This Judge, I believe did an awesome job in the courtroom. 💯
If there is a clear cut example of when the death penalty should be applied, here it is.
You still need a unanimous vote though. Which is hard to get
Exactly. If this isn't a prime example for use of the death penalty then I don't know what is.
Abso fkn lutley
Exactly. If this doesn't deserve the death penalty, what does?
There's no example.
Only 7,5hrs. HOW can you make this decision this fast? Obviously made decision before they even began deliberating.
But they need to deliberate first. 17 counts of murder. Takes while just to go through forms.
It was probably that coward of a juror who refused the death penalty.
Three jurors refused the death penalty.
I’m almost positive the juror was never going to recommend death
This is just plain weird.... the jury only in deliberation for 7.5 hours with one juror against the death penalty? WTH?!! So just like that, with no discussion or persuasion from the other jurors, no re-evaluating any testimony or documents of the brutality of this horrific crime?!! In 7.5 hours?!! This is asinine!!!!
I am sure they just wanted to go home
One juror was a hard-core hold out with a 'no' for the DP. The jury decided to sleep on it. When the next day arrived and nothing had changed they gave up and submitted their illogical decision to the court.
There is NO way that the aggravating factors didn't outweigh the so-called 'mitigating' factors.
they also don’t share their votes or talk about it…it’s not that crazy really that one person objected. it’s a shame, but not crazy
@@idrisali3947 I thought they talked about it for 7.5 hours. What does deliberation mean?
They would’ve never gotten a unanimous vote.
There’s many that don’t believe in the death penalty.
What a complete mess this entire situation was from beginning to end
It's a complete mistrial given what's happened
@@XxDyneXxFreeEnergyx why do we even need a such a long trial for a mass killer..a monster
@@dianahosu5244 It’s a messed up system in favor of the defendant & he is laughing from the inside. We’ll see how he’ll laugh for when the people inside the prison all wants a piece of him.
Yeah it really has been one of the longest trials over something that was very straightforward. Many strange things happening over the trial as well. Very disappointing for those poor parents and families. 💔
The outcome was a total disgrace.
It could be a Mistrial now given what's happened
@@XxDyneXxFreeEnergyx So the sentence can be overturned?
@@sesshyandenvyfreak not over turned, but the entire case could be retried if that happens.
No it wasn't.
Some will always deny the death penalty.
They would’ve never had a unanimous vote.
Justice delayed and Justice denied to the victims 😢
Why was a juror that did not believe in the death penalty allowed to sit on this jury. She should have been honest from the get go and recused herself because of her beliefs. These crime were so hanous that he should have gotten the death penalty. He plead guilty, there is no debate, he deserves death. What about the parents that will never see their children grow up and never have families, She should have never been allowed to sit on this jury.
We stand with the families and Parkland community! This fight is not over. We hear and feel your grief and pain.
Everybody's calling it a Mistrial forcing the judge to reverse her decision because 1 juror has not only lied but was influenced and the rules stipulate your not allowed to have any person juror,judge or lawyer or anybody influence your decision so.... Mistrial
Justice was not carried out in this court case ....
@Grant Kirtz most people do
@Grant Kirtz he shouldn’t be alive if he took 17 lives
@@willpp9999 Yes, it was. he's still going to die in prison. Just not when you want him too!
Ugh i am so sick of people coming forward AFTER the events and not while they are happening! This juror has millions of chances to tell someone that they were being threatened when it was going on...
I agree. I think she is trying to make herself look and feel better. especially seeing and hearing all the backlash.
Far left liberals, everytime when people disagree with them, they pull the victim card😂
@@anitakristensen4679 That’s my thinking too. There is rightful outrage at showing this monster mercy with a life sentence when he showed none to those he murdered and tried to murder.
@@LD86 just watched a news report, that the juror tried to make the complaint. While they were deliberating. But still, this should of been death penalty.
Exactly. They should have gone to the judge and explained that this hold out juror was threatening them with intimidation.
Sounds like the juror committed perjury and should face the penalty that comes with lying on the stand.
this penalty is disgusting, he posted on Social media ''I will be the next school shooter', he shoot 138 times and hunted down those poor poor children, why even spent £££ for him to sit in prison? WTF?
Sentences should be decided by established laws not jury preference.
The established law permits multiple forms of punishments.
The constitution disagrees.
@@desertedstranger2914 one person decided his sentence pretty much
@@boomds5602 again, that is the jury system.
At this point with the OVERWHELMING CRAZY LIBERALISM ..I agree with you
The problem is in part the fault of Florida Law. There should be no circumstance whereby ONE juror can decide the fate of a defendant that is in opposition to the other 11 jurors. This is a flawed system.
When they polled the jury "is this your decision"? ONE (or all 11) of them should have said "NO" & hung it right there! Eleven did NOT agree.
I wondered that too?
Actually from what the jury foreman said there was one hard no and 2 others were leaning towards no.
@Melissa Jayne I don't know of a case where this has ever happened. But I do know they would have either had to start over OR it would be a "Hung jury" & they would have to begin the trail again with a new jury? This verdict was BS!! I have been on a murder trial in Texas & I can guarantee you that I would have said "NO" when polled in this case! Almost all juries get polled after their decision!
9 didn’t agree
@Melissa Jayne I'm not 100% positive, but I think because the jury has to be unanimous for death they probably would have been sent back into deliberations, and if the jury was still unable to make up their minds they might have had to do a retrial. Either way a hung jury would not get him the death penalty because they all have to agree to it.
This is a slam dunk death penalty case. He did it. Tons of witnesses saw him do it. The physical evidence prove that he did it. This act of terrorism was carefully planned out and he had no remorse after the act was done. He willingly surrendered to police instead of taking himself out which means that at the very least, he wanted to live. He didn't bother giving the victims a chance to live so his life should be forfeited.
Doesn't seem any point in having a death sentence really if this outcome is anything to go by!
Threatened like "you lied to get on this jury and I'm reporting your lies as perjury" or "vote for death or face peoples wrath"? It makes a difference.
@valcaron ignorant response.
@valcaron don’t lie to get on a jury when you know you don’t believe in death
That juror is just being so melodramatic
@valcaron I agree. I just mean in terms of impacting the jury's decision. Threats are not okay, but the kind of threat does matter for legal purposes here I think. Either way no need to threaten someone if you think they are lying, just report to the bailiff.
@@dane4073 That's a little harsh lol
Do people realize that even if he was given the death penalty, he will sit on death row for the next 20 or so years?
That's better than the next ++++ years that tax payers have to pay out towards this thing's days in prison. This is BS
And probably be stayed
@@dracofalconis7865 If you're that hung up on money, you should be aware that the cost to tax payers of placing him on death row would be significantly higher.
@@dracofalconis7865 do you realize it’s more expensive to put someone to death than it is to keep them in prison?
@@dracofalconis7865 it’ll cost tax payers around $1.26 million to put him to death. That’s counting the years he’s in prison for all of his appeals and then the cost of putting to death and burial. It’ll cost around $740.000 to keep him in prison.
Find it quite ridiculous that the family members of the victims want the death penalty, he will never be released- why is that “wrong”???
Wtf? Isn't this what the death penalty is for?
Just highlights the weakness in our society it seems. If you think killing 17 kids and adults in a school doesn't warrant instant death, regardless of any mental health issues, seems as crazy as he is. If a dog is rabid and bit 17 kids in a school, you don't not put it down because it's not his fault he's rabid. He planned this. It was calculated and executed, he went room to room, murdering children on valentines day. Imagine looking those grieving parents in the eye, after burying their children and suffering the facts of this case for all this time, and making them suffer the fact that they will now be paying for this animal to have three meals and a bed to sleep in. Sad
No one knows what that juror's reasoning was, nor who that juror is. Just go by actual facts. The families wanted the death penalty, but the juror decided against it for some reason. The juror decided against family wishes.
Her name is all over internet now.
To families of victims deceased: Get all of your attorneys on this matter before sentencing on Nov. 1st, 22.
She knew she wasn’t giving him the death penalty from the beginning.
of course she knew...because is not her kid that got shot....how could she????will never understand
That's perjury!!
@@dianahosu5244 if she did she’d be biased the other way. Which is still bad
She was a ringer that never would have voted for the death penalty. Boy she feels righteous right now.
Florida actually had majority jury rule and/or judge imposed death sentence until 2016 when the Supreme Court of United States struck down that statute with the Hurst v. Florida decision. That lead to death sentences being unanimous and removed judge imposed death sentences. You are seeing that decision play out today.
That’s why the federal government needs to get out of the states business!
That's suck. Every case will be the same, just one jury voted against the majority. Not fair at all.
Actually what you’re saying is not entirely correct. Hurst v. Florida applied the rule of Ring v. Arizona to the Florida capital sentencing scheme, holding that the Sixth Amendment requires a jury to find the aggravating factors necessary for imposing the death penalty. In Florida, under a 2013 statute, the jury made recommendations but the judge decided the facts.
The decision in Hurst only removed the judges power to ultimately decide on advice from the jury. It made clear that only a jury could sentence someone to death. This ruling did not change Florida’s juror supermajority rule. It was actually the Florida Supreme Court that ruled against the supermajority rule.
After Hurst, the Florida legislature passed a new statute to comply with the judgement in March 2016, changing the sentencing method to require a 10-juror supermajority for a sentence of death with a life sentence as the alternative.
This new sentencing scheme was struck down by the Florida Supreme Court in a 5-2 ruling in October 2016. The court held that a death sentence must be issued by a unanimous jury.
@@cboy0394 You’re correct. I didn’t lay out every single detail but I did say that Hurst vs Florida did lead to where we are now and that is entirely true. A lead B which lead to C.
What a joke. This legal system makes me sick!
I don't believe she ever went into the court having a open mind.
Overturn the verdict!!! Someone on that jury lied to get on the jury!!
It's that simple Teresa.
You can’t overturn a verdict when it benefits the defendant unfortunately. The State isn’t allow appeal a conviction because of the 6th Amendment.
Just misery everywhere.
Yes, this is the worst version of earth if there are multiverses.
That father was right yesterday when he said peoples’ feelings or religion should be out of the equation when considering a punishment, an eye for an eye is the only REAL justice, & no one but the criminal decides what the punishment will be since it would be what they did to the poor victim, let them have a trial, let the jury decide guilty or innocent, give punishment immediately, that’s a deterrent, & the focus is placed on the victim & the crime WHERE IT OUGHT TO BE, this system is not justice, this system we have now is a JOKE.
"an eye for an eye "
isnt that literally from the bible?
@@charlienoble7862 absolutely
Imo, a Christian person should be upfront about there beliefs during selection and should avoid being on a jury. Their duty to the Lord wouldn't allow certain judgements to be passed onto their peers
Most people who had loved ones killed, have not asked for death. An eye for an eye is not the norm in our civil society
An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Hey Richard. This verdict has not one single thing about it that includes “glory” this is an outrage and I’m sorry for your naïveté regarding criminals.
This case just keeps getting wilder. I hope this all ends in a way that is satisfactory for the victims.
The victims were murdered or attempted to be murdered. They're gone. Others who will never be the same. The verdict needs to be appropriate and if that means death, it should have been death.
@@Kepi_Kei I believe Cruz deserves death too. As far as victims go, there are victims of this tragedy alive today; the parents, the siblings, the friends, the school staff, other students who were there that day, it goes on and on. Cruz didn't just make 17 victims that day, he made hundreds of victims.
There gonna be other life sentenced at his unit. May there be a good soul there among his inmates. Amen. Incidents happens 🔪.
@@fredricc5771 Agreed. Whichever inmate does the deed will be seen as a hero.
@@Kepi_Kei imagine thinking the families aren’t victims. Cannot relate
the juror deserves the backlash. Why is the death penalty even in our system if it wasnt used here. Every serial killer has a mental health issue, do we just not kill anyone for horrible crimes anymore? Where is the justice.
Juror clearly went in with an obvious intent to not recommend death penalty. Sickening.
A lot of people a clearly not happy with the sentence but I will say this. If this guy lives into his 80's he will have to spend about 60 years in a small room looking at the wall. That in my mind is worse than being able to check out.
So this juror decided that his worthless life was more important than the 17 lives he took. She will have to live with that.
@@hellothere-vs5el He is getting a lot more than his 17 victims got. None of those jurors would look at the victims famlies. The three jurors that were no should have at least had the courage to watch the victims families being re victimized again.
25% of the jury voted for life in prison. All it takes is 1%.
No justice & it hurts my heart right along with the families. 💔
@@hellothere-vs5el the family's of the victims has said it not justice so that says it not justice
@@hellothere-vs5el letting a murderer live while the victims are dead is not Justice.
@@rachelwalsh6116 families aren’t judges or lawyers. They’re laymen. In no modern society should they decide fates.
They would’ve never gotten a unanimous vote.
There’s many that don’t believe in the death penalty.
@@buddybrax jury should not decide whether or not someone sentence as that should be a judge. Someone mental state should not matter on if someone gets the death penalty. This guy killed kids and grown ups. Like the family's are saying is all are saying the murder live is more important then the kids who was murderd.
@@buddybrax by saying live in prison with out prole is justice is saying that the murder live is more important then the lives he took.
My heart hurts for these families 💔
All of us…😢
To have your child taken away like that…
Heroes… those parents are absolute heroes…
So does mine. I can't imagine being able to live the rest of my life if that happened to me. I wish for those 3 jurors to take the place that murderer should have taken, soon.
Mine too 😥
All I can do from here is pray for them, but it's heartbreaking
@@zxyatiywariii8 agree…👍🏻
People put down the “thoughts and prayers” thing, but I am with you totally…👍🏻
I wish I could be there with these families, but all I can do from here, so many miles away, is think of them and pray for them… and that should be enough for those who criticize … what are they doing? They are putting g negativity into the air instead of positivity… doesn’t have to be praying, but peaceful vibes…
Better to think of and pray for someone than do nothing…
She's lying. She feels the pressure and wants to be a victim too.
How can ANYONE not vote for the DP for this monster? HOW??!! Unreal!
How in the world does a person that commits crime like this have any rights at all I mean absolutely any?????
This is not fair.. Why spare his life? I'm so disgusted. They heartbreak just keeping going for these families. The one thing that could have comforted them was just taken away. So sorry. Love from KS💞
The death penalty will not give them the comfort they seek, only God can and will.
@@CatholicsForTrump people given the death penalty usually never make it to that punishment. It was the simple fact that 12 people said his life is more important than all of their loved ones. Simple as that.
@@alisonfowler8193 1* the other 11 voted for death
@@CatholicsForTrump Stop with the god BS, if there was one, this killer would be struck down....
This was the wrong verdict! Hard day for these folks.
The law must be changed to majority rule so that a juror that lies about being able to give the death penalty when warranted is nullified. It's insane that 1 juror can nullify what everyone else deems appropriate. Why is 1 person's opinion more important than the majority?
That was the law until 2016. The Supreme Court of the United States struck down majority rule and Judge imposed death sentences with the Hurst v. Florida decision. Florida had to conform to the Supreme Court decision.
There was 3
3 people voted for life.
Did she "feel" threatened or was she "actually" threatened.
The juror who refused to vote for the death penalty told the judge during Voir Dire that they could vote for the death penalty if they felt the evidence would show that the death penalty was appropriate. All potential jurors must answer that question. Many opponents of the death penalty lie about their true beliefs during this process. I’m sure in their minds they see themselves as champions of a great cause to save lives. The problem is, in my opinion, some people deserve the death penalty for their evil murders.
I wonder if there would be any backlash for the juror who gave life. In that city I'm sure many of them are furious at the jury right now
Well they released her name and the town she lives in
@@boomds5602 lmfao oof she got doxxed. Too bad for her, at least now she has to live with the fact that she's the reason these families are hurting again and this whole case was irrelevant because of her. People have the right to know who was the one that made these families hurt again with the outcome they didn't want.
It was actually 3. The final vote came down 9-3.
@@desertedstranger2914 I know, they said it was 1 main one that for sure didn't want the death penalty and then 2 more ended up joining her
When did they release the name? I missed it
The woman who opted for life in prison voted her personal opinion she did not put herself in the shoes of the victims the whole entire world knows that the death penalty should have been imposed and if she had any children imagine what it was like for her child to be hunted down sometimes you have to make a decision not based on personal feelings and I hope that you're hates herself for the rest of her life
So dramatic
Plenty of family members of murdered victims advocate for life instead of the death penalty. Not everyone is a bloodthirsty revenge freak.
The US is one of the few countries in the world allowing death penalty...it is a medieval practice. Why would you want a state to behave like a cold murderer? Shouldn't it aim for a higher morality? What about all these people beleving in God and forgiveness?
@@cargopilotguy305 so melodramatic, these people need to get over themselves
How do you know any of those who voted in favor of the DP did not vote their personal opinion?
All this talk about how the juror(s) who voted for LWOP must have lied during the selection process and were never ever going to vote for the DP no matter what, but somehow those who voted the other way are immune to lying during jury selection and were absolutely truthful, objective, and free of any error the whole way through.
The rampant mindset in the comments of “I don’t like the verdict, so those responsible for it are wrong/problematic/corrupt and deserve to be punished” is so indicative of a primitive nature and outrageous sense of entitlement.
And if judicial sphere in regards to the death penalty continues moving in the direction it has for the past couple decades, you can expect capital punishment at the state-level to become virtually nonexistent.
im assuming the only reason why he didnt get the death sentence was because some of the jurors were politically opposed to it.
The judge fold to the killer and his smile on his face is a punch on face for the familys smh
WTF you on about?
I highly doubt that. Upset or not, this isn’t a big deal. He’s out of Society
@@buddybrax and paying our tax money
Every single juror was asked if they would consider a life sentence, so how is that not a correct sentence?
If u murder someone or ppls he or she should be put to death immediately forget death row
Looks like he’s eating well in jail.
It's disgusting that someone can plan and carry out atrocious acts like this. Absolutely vile. Why should he (Cruz) be allowed to live after what he did.
There’s entire states where the death penalty isn’t even allowed. So clearly it’s a large belief. They would have never gotten a unanimous vote
He'll suffer more with life in prison
After death..you don't exist anymore and can't suffer
His life is going to suck
That woman juror will regret her decision even though she will lie and say she doesn't. That decision and the faces and screams of those murdered victims will haunt her dreams and drive her crazy. And, rightfully so.
I hope she never sleeps through the night again
I hope everybody knows exactly which juror it was, so she can live with the public shame of being the one who let that monster off the hook for the rest of her life.
Are you even aware of why she chose life? It sounds like you’re not.
@@Seashellsbytheseashore21 are you saying he only deserved life?
I’m 100% positive why, she’s a liberal p*ssy just like you.. you love killing babies but cry about putting down scumbags.. smh
This has been a travesty!!! These families have been victimized over and over again and now this!!! All a waste of time as that one juror knew full well he could not and would not vote death!!!!!
I don’t like where humanity is headed. I’m actually concerned.
Very concerned. Cant imagine what it will be like 100 years from now, glad ill be long gone.
I agree....have you read the Bible? It's going to get worse....you can read scripture and it perfectly describes what we're seeing in society today (what scripture calls the end times). If we're not nearing the end of the end times, God help us. Everything is off the rails at this point....
Then offer kindness and love thts the only way we gone save each other we all see violence doesnt work hate dont work so why dont we try kindness an love im hopeful for you and me sir i have to be my faith in God tells me this
@@joannekropf3436 We are literally abandoning everything godly with the way this new generation is moving. I dont want to get poilitical but you know exactly what im talking about, everything is against the bible now and its disgusting.
Why? Because we didn't let the government murder someone? Calm down drama queen
Despite the fact that there appears to be Jury tampering, State Prosecutors are NOT looking to set aside the verdict. Why not?? State declared this to be a "safety issue" & nothing more. Apparently 2 Jurors were in fact threatened or intimidated during Deliberations. Apparently, during the reading of the Verdict, 1 Juror was trying to get the attention of Judge Scherer but she didn't see this person doing so. Today, the State asked & received permission from Judge Scherer, to have the Sheriff's Department to conduct an investigation into this matter. Was it this lone Juror who had said she NEVER planned to vote for the Death Penalty who committed this possible crime? This is absolute craziness.
My heart goes out to the Families who now have more anguish to go through because of these new allegations. God be with them as they sort through today's new declarations.
The families and victim’s pain is heartbreaking. If this case didn’t call for the DP, I don’t know what would. But I don’t know of any cause or case that would undo this decision.
Now let’s prosecute the school cop, Scott Peterson, who cowered outside the school as this one young man slaughtered 17 young people and ruined the lives of many more with wounds both physical and psychological.
I hope he gets the Dahmer treatment. 🙏🤞
My heart hurts for the families; the parents, wives, children of the slain. The teachers who rescued the survivors. The mentally traumatized of the community.
Oh, I believe he will, Michelle. Cruz's crime was one of cowardice. He killed innocent children and that usually does not fit into prison life.
1 juror decided, not the jury....
Unbelievable he will get to live his life getting 3 meals a day, exercise, a bed and absolutely no serious repercussions for his horrific murder of 17 innocent people. Let's pray that he lives in fear every second of the day, continually looking over his shoulder. He deserves to suffer as much as every parent. Their thoughts after the trial were horrendous to listen too, everyone of them full of anger at such an unjust verdict. He must be the most hated monster in the World right now and justifiably so. What was that 1 juror thinking by allowing him to live!! Heartbreaking 💔
3 jurors allowed him to live.
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This is th7e last thing these poor families need.
The only appropriate sentence for a crime like this is death, plain and simple
Can't the federal government charge him and put him on trial??
Unbelievable. They should have continued longer in my opinion.
They would’ve never gotten a unanimous vote.
There’s many that don’t believe in the death penalty.
@@buddybrax Then recuse yourself from sitting on a jury panel for a life or death penalty case.
@@buddybrax they were asked that question before serving.
I think they it was whether he's mentally ill or not.
@@LD86 So only people who believe in the death penalty can be on a jury? Sounds unfair and biased. The purpose of having a jury is that it's a group of random people with mixed opinions and ideas. Most of the jurys probably were biased in the opposite direction and were going to vote for DP regardless.. This is why it's important to have many different ideas/opinions/people.
@@LD86 exactly, that is also bias. So they need people that are open to either way, if you are strictly against it, you are basically wasting the courts time cus this whole section here was SOLELY to determine life OR death, he was already convicted lmao.
I don't get why all pple say it was 11-1, although the foreperson of the jury gave an interview in front of a cam , saying there were 3 jurors voting for Life!?
I sincerely doubt this is going to change the sentence. The only thing that could come out of this is charges against a juror or a contempt of court. Any official declaration of a mistral would cause a delay and would cause this to work its way up to SCOTUS.
if there was one juror who stood up to every other juror, i highly doubt they'll live to regret their vote.
death penalty also seems like the easy escape from punishment so if the goal is punishment....💁🏾♀
Why have a penalty phase in a state that has the death penalty, if people are just gonna get mad about the verdict? It's like the law doesn't matter.
What a travesty!! Those poor families!! 💔
This juror may have decided at last minute they believe he indeed deserves Death but feels they can't be part of deciding that..even if that's the case that is what alternate jurors are for so how about contact the Judge DURING deliberations and ask to be replaced-NOT after the verdict has been handed down.Most likely scenario is this juror never intended to vote for death regardless of evidence and in that case this juror has indeed caused a mess and should be charged with something.These families do not deserve to have a repeat of the last several months.
There are people out there with very rough childhood's who murdered alot less and got the death penalty.
This is BS.
can't the judge override and impose the death penalty?
Juries should not be charged with passing sentencing...
Then who should?
A single juror? The emotional families? The outraged public?
That’s a terrible idea.
The point of a jury is to have differing viewpoints to render a fair verdict.
That would be like making the government one party.
The 6th amendment disagrees. It’s right there in the constitution.
People have been executed via the death penalty for MUCH less.... It feels like a crime to have to pay for this vile human being to be in prison...
So what do you have to do to get the death penalty?
Have a unanimous jury in a state that supports it.
I guess that juror was against the death penalty?
If we would just subject ONE CONVICTED INDIVIDUAL to the exact manner of death that such individual forced upon their victim/s, I promise that we would see a drop in such heinous actions!
No. That one juror will live to regret her shenanigans! That rule of one jury vote needs to be permanently voided for every state in U.S. Go with majority juror verdict, especially in death penalty cases.
Three jurors voted for life.
And a unanimous decision is encouraged but not required in all situations. This one it was due to severity.
But the point of a jury is to have different viewpoints
So what I've heard so far is that his attorney flipped the families off and laughed with him and now a juror was threatened??? Wow my heart breaks for the families who've been dealt just another blow after another
The defense attorneys are just as bad as he is
The video of two attorneys flipping off the cameras and laughing is on youtube
Death is not justice it’s vengeance. He is young, letting him sit in prison for the rest of his life is the correct punishment. He will never know the comforts of normal life. I would rather die then not have them
Amazing how many people speak of this sentence, as if a huge miscarriage of justice was perpetrated, simply because they didn't get to act out their vengeance-fantasy.
In the case of a large number of comments, it honestly feels like people thought he was found not-guilty.
It’s how sheep react. Mob sensibilities.
What’s wild to me is that the lady on the defense got all butthurt and flipped off the camera and laughed with NC for a while. Like she wasn’t mad she lost a argument
Who, what lady? Melissa McNeil the blonde one? And when was this ??? I'm interested
@@elv1980 one sec, I’ll get the name. One of the parents mentioned it and idk how that went under the radar.
@@elv1980 this apparently took place 2 months ago! But just search Tamara Curtis flips off camera. It’ll be the 13sec clip.
@@nuuwave thank you
@@nuuwave dawn that's crazy I just saw it
The flipside to the same coin is that if a juror is not allowed to vote for LWOP instead of the death penalty, then the trial is pointless, they may as well just sentence him to death as soon as he pled guilty and save a shed load of time and legal fees.
And there it is, a juror wanted attention and said no to the Death Penalty. Now she is claiming jurors threatened her. Good job picking this juror!
Very suspicious. That one juror in favor of lifeneeds to be investigated.