Look at how much he manipulated his adoptive mother. And unfortunately she always gave in because she was scared of him. This doctor was amazing in reporting CRUZ'S mentality. He was just a greedy little manipulative ass.
He doesn't though. Nicholas Cruz himself said that he wanted the death penalty. There's no reason to think he's lying about psychosis. In fact it explains all his behavior.
@@imalemming4482 anything but blame the person right? Western society is hyper focused on pussifying the entire population. At. The. End. Of. The. Day. HE. Is. To. Blame. Rightly so
Yes, I admit laughing out loud. The interrogator was epic...he punched through that wet paper bag in seconds. I loved it when he took off his glasses and said, "I'm not convinced." Finally, all he had to say was, "Stop it." Experience is worth pure gold. The shooter deserves to hang.
is his mental health in question at all? I don't understand this. He clearly suffered severe trauma as a child on top of whatever else might or might not have existed naturally. Are they just saying he faked additional symptoms after his arrest? I just can't believe anyone would buy that this kid wasn't seriously disturbed from early on.
He's trying to manipulate everyone just by his behavior. Big dorky glasses, needy attire(not professional in a courtroom). Clean shaven face and goofy haircut to mimic a young, confused boy when he's 24 years old. Coloring in the court room to appear aloof and unaware. It's all a show.
As a Health Psychologist from Europe, the way this psychiatrist explained everything in such detail, really makes me proud of my profession and the professionals in it. Really all I can comment is ...WOW. The presentation was objective, and just truly great to watch. Anyways, I send healing to all of the family members and everyone who was affected by this horrible crime.
Indeed, he is super pleasant to watch and listen due to the way how he explains - even a medical dummy like ma can understand well :) Great witness for the state, defense is crying on the inside ....
I also like that he is asking questions and follows with the answer so people can really understand what is he talking about, so many great qualities about the witness.
I hope this helps regain peoples trust and faith in psychiatry. People need help and tend to fear getting it. I think this shows how practical and honest the work is, and how its objective and non-persecutory. But it can be used in the court of law! So dont try to fake it!
I don't doubt that he has some mental health issues but I also believe that he knew right from wrong and because of his mental problems he chose to take a weapon and kill innocent people. There was a series of actions that he took to take out his anger on people who couldn't defend themselves.
I completely agree! I’ve been thinking this whole time, if he can’t control his “Impulses” like the defense says, how has he sat in the court room this entire time without making a peep?? He absolutely is in control of his actions.
This trial is only teaching him how to be a better liar. He has taken these tests his entire life since a child and he’s hung out with psych doctors for as long as he can remember. What good has it done him if he isn’t going to try to recognize his behaviors? He’s always chosen violence and destruction of property and life. He’s never going to change he chose to do everything he has done since he can remember it’s all been recorded. He is a fake and a fraud and hasn’t shown any kind of kindness or respect for anyone. He’s evil and will always be even with a handler he is a fraud.
@@giancarlocarattini4985 are you even looking at this video. Cruz is not heavily sedated. If he was, he would NOT be sitting there having any interaction with his lawyer. He would be in a "zombified" state. 🤦
as a forensic psychologist, this man gave some of the best definitions & examples of cluster b personality disorders. i felt like i was back in my University lectures all over again.. i was so tuned in! Also with the ‘faking symptoms’ - I watched the interrogation as soon as it was posted after the crime… i watched the whole 3 hours. it was very clear this was not a ‘psychotic break/episode’ & he did not have any cluster c personality disorder symptoms… he didn’t show true GENUINE signs of psychosis or schizophrenia but he was TRYING to act/show what he thought these would be in order to manipulate the detectives & the system. i recommend watching if the case interests you or if you want to see some very poor attempts at ‘faking’ psychotic symptoms.. a lot of the common devil/demon talk & false auditor & sensory hallucinations. he was able to switch everything on & off to his benefit.
Yeah , I work with alot of addiction/mental health/homelessness folks and have great diagnosis understanding after 20 plus years. And it was hard to watch the interrogation because I saw him clearly putting on a show. He said the things he figured would make him seem crazy. But he had limited understanding, and it was obvious. But I'm always concerned that SOMEONE will believe them..so it's hard to watch for that reason. Otherwise, it's actually ridiculously humorous. Watching him try so hard and thinking he's smart.
@@jacedjohnson3541 there’s some other channels that have since been created since JCS stopped posting if you’re into the interrogations ect but after now what seems like ervyone got into true crime there are just so many & very few are accurate or can pick up everything. it still gives people the access to watch interrogations atleast… without the lengthy 3+ hours of things that sometimes should be cut out for an empty room ect.
He has a rudimentary knowledge of chess... someone has to have SOME smarts to do that, even if it's just well enough to lose. Chess is a game of strategy, so he would have to plan the outcome of his next 2-3 moves - even if they are "wrong".
Was there ever a question of whether or not he wasn't going to win? My apologies as I'm not being sarcastic, I'm seriously asking. I've missed the beginning of this trial, and only watched some of the earlier bit of this part (it has been going on forever it seems, so I ended up losing interest in some of the witnesses). I mainly watched the victim impact statements.
I took psychology in college for my police studies degree and the psychiatrist expert explained things better than what I learnt in class this feels like a refresher course to me.
😂😂 I was saying that too. It has taken too much time out of my elderly life, im counting down my lifespan; how much I have left to see the outcome of this trial 😂😂
Thank God they caught him in this. I have seen the tape of him being interviewed once captured, its obvious he's faking from the get-go. He knew what he did was wrong and by his own choice. He was not driven by feaking voices either. Schizophrenics are the most stigmatized because of people like him. He tried to capitalize on that. He's exploitive to others and does not care who he hurts, he is and always will be a killer.
@@jaydedtoday, Did you hear the Forensic Psychiatrist tell us how many LIES the shooter tried to tell him about his "mental conditions"? He "Over-reported" = claimed symptoms that were not present during 21 hours of careful interviewing and assessment. Shooter wanted to be considered "mentally ill" to dodge the Death Penalty. What if this sob story achieved a life sentence, and he's let out years later ....and kills 20 more people? That POS planned, celebrated his crime beforehand, lied to LE about "the voices" and mercilessly slaughtered innocent children and adults who ran to help them. He blended in with escaping children and asked a victim's family member for a ride home. He's playing the "traumatized/disadvantaged" card for all it's worth. I don't buy it. He has earned himself an Exit card, to join God and be judged. He does not deserve the right to walk free among people. He deserves a 3'x6' dirt farm. Enough with the school shooters! No more! Our elected officials have armed protection: don't our children have the right to be safe at school? School killings can get worse: please read the book, "Terror at Beslan". 180+ CHILDREN were killed at a school in Europe at ONE school! What happened there could happen anywhere. The author said if we employed 2-4 military veterans (per location) to patrol our schools, it would be a valuable safety measure for our children. --- as an aside, it would also be honorable employment for our veterans. If they cycled through different school sites, the boredom factor would be eliminated. Our children deserve protection from this type of predator. We need to achieve ZERO school shootings, and I think it's possible.
Let me break it down in real Layman's terms: He dressed in the school-distributed JROTC garb, killed a bunch of kids he didn't even know, tried to blend in with other kids afterward, tried to get a ride home, then lied about HEARING VOICES from the devil as he was being apprehended. He planned it, he's a liar and not even a good one. There. I just saved us all hours of needless chatter. Let's instead talk about the bright futures he snuffed out.
you didn't though. he missed out on the fact that his birth mother was drinking, smoking, taking drugs while pregnant with him. that his adoptive mother tried to help him but fell short and then died. that he never had a chance to develop into a normally functioning member of society. does not excuse him as a murderer, but give a fuller picture. there, corrected it for you.
I can't believe I was 38 when this happened and now I'm 41 watching Nicholas doodle without cuffs in a nice comfy sweater still not dead yet, just chillin and whispering to his homies lol incredible!
Even if he is put to death that is still going to be years until it happens. You don't get sentenced to death and it happens the next day..people are on death row for 15+ years.
Poor guy, it's part of growing up. I didn't like it when my husband left me and my two children. I hot through it without hurting anyone. So shooting up innocent people and destroying their lives forever never crossed my mind.
This guy basically told Nikolas to his face and infront of the entire court that he wasn't fooling anyone with his lies and pretending to be crazier than he really was. He does have issues but not to where he didn't know right from wrong and he chose to do wrong anyways.
Only the fool does not recognize the science: "Fetal alcohol syndrome causes brain damage and growth problems. The problems caused by fetal alcohol syndrome vary from child to child, but defects caused by fetal alcohol syndrome are not reversible." Expecting the brain damaged to rationally explain their conduct is really quite ignorant.
@@TheDustbinofHistory They are professionals who have came in contact with many people just like him in terms of things he's been through. I trust they know what they are talking about or they wouldn't have been called in for credible testimony. They have flat out said that fetal alcohol syndrome would not have caused him to do this. He was not 'out of control'. He knew what he was doing was considered wrong but still desired to do it and ended up doing it anyways. The defense playing the mental health card is literally their only angle, which is why they went that route. And a lot believed it and sympathized with it. It's a sham. He is mentally screwed up, we all can agree. But he is NOT a victim like they played him to be.
emotions are more important than rational thoughts, if your emotions are messep up, you are not going to stick to the rational thoghts that killing is bad. What makes your follow the rules is what you feel not what you know.
I’m very glad the prosecution has put this very intelligent specialist on the stand. I think it was obvious to a lot of people in NCs police interrogation that he was malingering but to have scientific evidence that proves it is incredible.
My husband is a democrat and I’m a republican. My husband is also a former trial attorney and prosecutor. We don’t always agree on the death penalty. I DO ESPECIALLY when it come to children. However I seriously believe he planned and knew what he was doing but at the same time, this guy is messed up and bad!!!
@@aletaparsons1754 In what way is he messed up, in your opinion? Or assessment. I’m not trying to be rude or sarcastic. The Dr explained in layman's terms that the jury and the rest could understand NC isn’t messed up as you see it or crazy. He's evil! That's my assessment.
@@foreveryours7464 I definitely think he has some sort of mental illness BUT I ALSO, believe he’s full of hate. I don’t see remorse of any kind. It takes an evil person to go into a school and kill innocent children
@@aletaparsons1754 I don't believe he's crazy; he's definitely evil, and I think he was jealous of the students. What got was the other psychiatrist was saying his disabilities due to his mom drinking when she was pregnant. And then this doctor proved everyone wrong and had video proof to show NC can read, write and recall on the pass, and present. He’s evil!
Yes i dont think this docter suffers fools.the initual detective that interviewed cruz said to him does your demon want a lawyer i think he read write through.
I smiled when the parents smiled when the interrogation about the swastika was taking place. "What does the swastika mean to you?" He answers, "peace". The parents expression was like yeahhh right..
It actually gave the families a good chuckle when Cruz suggested the Germans were "stupid" for appropriating the swastika because it was a "Native American" peace symbol.
I am a clinical psychologist who specializes in BPD and I am honestly shocked with how this man is diagnosing him with BPD. The examples he uses as symptoms are not accurate to what the symptoms really mean in the DSM And hardly suggest a borderline pd pattern. He’s just straight up reading the symptoms without understanding them and saying ”hmmm I can make this example fit as a symptom”
I’m late to the party but I love this comment! I too have BPD and was thinking he was stretching a bit for examples as well. I hate seeing BPD diagnosis just being thrown around so casually in a very public trials like this one - it adds to the stigma that people with BPD are “crazy”. They did the same thing with the Jodi Arias trials!
My jaw DROPPED when he said BPD. I have a lot of experience with the condition, a few members of my family have it. I’ve found that the condition is rooted in intense emotions, whereas Cruz has showed NOTHING in the way of it. I know you cannot tell what Cruz is REALLY like but nothing in the evidence suggests BPD. It’s such a shame, as BPD is already heavily stigmatised condition, that won’t be helped being attached to this heartless killer.
@@hannahmaria6887 I had to replay that part twice because his examples were so stretched I thought I was miss hearing him. I don’t even tell people I have BPD anymore because of killers getting that diagnosis.
I have BPD and I would NEVER think of doing something so disgusting and inhuman. I hurt myself but would never hurt someone else...I hate that I have the same diagnosis as this inhuman monster
One day, we'll look at mental health as the main thing and not the last thing to care about. Everything in your life stems from your mental health and we act like it's a bunch of nonsense.
I so agree!! My state is so bad about helping mental illness. Ugh I think it's nationwide in our country. Im 61, and have seen how serious mental illness has become. From mild to extreme, yet it seems to be at the bottom of the list of funding and attention in our country. Perhaps if we had affordable, good help, we would not have mass shootings. 🙏
The medical mafia has added dozens of 'mental illnesses' yo theIr diagnostic bible. It is part of Big Pharma's marketing strategy to put millions more on psych meds! They should be on trial for all the kids that commit suicide under their influence.
We could also stop coddling kids, and therefore build thicker skins so they're not getting offended and broken down so easily. Kids don't have the same tolerance for issues as older generations did/do.
@@deb6415 Florida has pretty good help when it comes to mental health. I've had a very traumatic childhood and went through 8 plus years of addiction. Never once did I think to k!ll innocent children or even adults for that matter. IMO he has no excuse not after all the help I received in Florida for mental health. Trust me I was in and out of psychiatric hospital for years in Miami. They never failed to help me even without insurance. Some places it's hard to get mental health help but I don't think Florida is one.
I am a psychatrist and the doctor explained the lying Nicholas Cruz was doing poorly on tests and faked a condition. I am feeling for the victim's families because no matter what punishment, they are suffering and I am doing my best to console them, I have been crying for the past 4 years traumatized by this incident and angered by the fact that the school knew he was unstable and still failed to respond on time.
There's a multilevel breakdown in this case: 1.) Mental health professionals for not giving Cruz the necessary counseling and intensive psychiatric care. 2.) The administrators at the schools he attended for not doing enough to guide him on the right path. 3.) Law enforcement at the local, state and federal levels for not intervening. 4.) School resource officers for not intervening during the shooting.
@@michaellovely6601 Birth mother drinking to the extent he did in fact have some brain damage from alcohol-remember the preschool master teacher/owner saying he was globally delayed-aggressive, non-social, bit way more than most children at a later age, couldn't use words to ask for what he wanted, could only eat with his hands, fell down a lot-when she had him age 1-3. They referred him to special early intervention but she didn't know how much the parents followed through. He didn't talk until 4, wasn't toilet trained until 4.
@@Laura-kl7vi Mm-hm. Now that he has been sentenced for his crimes; the overall consensus is that the jury got it wrong with three of the jurors who voted no on execution and ultimately gave a massive FU to the families of the victims. Due to the fact that at the time death penalty cases in Florida required a unanimous jury to sentence criminals to Death Row; Judge Elizabeth Scherer had no choice but to impose thirty-four life sentences for his crimes.
@@michaellovely6601 he is still utterly responsible for his actions. We live in a world where you don’t get hospitalized unless you actually DO SOMETHING (suicide attempt etc.) so interventions probably wouldn’t have worked anyways. Some people are simply not fixable- a sad reality. Let’s blame the murderer here, he is to blame. And yes I am a psychologist
This psychiatrist is an excellent expert witness to explain things to juries & the judge. It’s quite a talent to be able to condense a huge amount of psychiatric information into a brief, easily understood explanation
He wants to manipulate people to thinking he is crazy, he knows alot about different history for a crazy person, he’s trying to slide by not taking responsibility for what he did, maybe life would really be better for him to really think about what damage he caused to the families of his victims, everyday he will have lots of time to think of the people he hurt for did that will really get to him, don’t kill him that will be his punishment forever to his demise
Dr. Curry tore Amber Heard apart factually in an interesting engaging educational manner also. btw why does he need and how did he get an army of defense attorneys.
This forensic psychologist is absolutely amazing. His explanation is so clear and understandable, which is important when speaking as an expert witness. It also displays key skill and expertise to the jury, the court, and the defense as to giving credibility to his testimony.
If he has Anti Social Personality Disorder, than wouldn't he have Psychopathy? I didn't hear him specify which APD. It's not sociopathy as he is more calculated. I am really confused as BPD may be comorbid with APD but wouldn't be summed up as just BPD being dominant.
I don't know why they don't tie his ass to a post, give the survivors and victims' families torcher devices and weapons and let fate take its course. To me that's the only thing close to justice that could come of this. And, even then he'd really be getting off lightly.
actually i know the reason. i am pretty sure it's related to long standing ideals of civilized society and more specifically, the constitution of the united states.
@@kaimalino528 You should pay more attention to what Dr. Scott talked about. It wasn't just impressive chicks. He wants people dead, he hates everyone.
A common trait of those with borderline personality disorder tbh. They are desperate for attention because of their fear of abandonment. And they usually use extreme methods to get it, which is why the police, fire, ambulance & hospitals know many people with BPD, as they constantly create drama to get attention that involves one or all of us
@@allisonjames2923 I know, I've read many books on BPD. The problem was, in his younger years his adoptive mother had no clue how to deal with him, and he manipulated her to get his way all the time, which encouraged him to continually have his little bouts of temper tantrums and destroying everything and getting his way. I'm sure deep down in his dark, evil soul he's enjoying every part of this penalty phase. Because it's all about him.
Glad he was diagnosed accurately with BPD. My oldest sister (13.5 years my senior) has BPD, and while she would never have gone on a shooting spree in high school (she was head cheerleader and homecoming queen, straight A student, bulemic), as an adult her rage can be so intense that she could EASILY kill someone, including a family member, in a fit of rage. I refuse to sleep under the same roof as her now, but no one in my family was kinder to me in early childhood than she was. BPD can be a *very serious* and dangerous personality disorder in some people, it just depends on how severe their presentation is (and past traumas are). BPD is a spectrum disorder, so you get everything from emo musicians all the way up to Jeffrey Dahmer and this guy. The truly frightening thing is they come across as weak and vulnerable, and sometimes they talk baby talk, so you feel like you want to protect them...but you need protection FROM them because W O W can they ever turn on you with a fury like you never imagined was possible.
I've read way too much Grisham - when this started out, I figured a paid mouthpiece ... wow, how wrong! This was pure education into the mind and manipulations of a psychopathic sociopath swinging the lead ... well done doctor.
I’m a professional in the field. What teen male doesn’t do everything Cruz did romantically as a teen? I can’t think of a guy who hasn’t done this, calling the girl a C word and B word. Becoming obsessed, suicidal, jealous, violent in many cases. In addition, Cruz can’t put his process together towards functionality in healthy ways and has not done so throughout his life and with good reasons. To put it another way, there was no reason for him to be able to do otherwise. Not everyone will resort to violence including the most horrific wanton violence. It requires an antisocial personality (a willingness to annihilate in an attempt to feel better about one’s self) which is exactly what this doctor says he found. There are many antisocial children and adults in society and in my opinion, this is a prerequisite for extreme acts against others. They are not born as such but can experience violence and abuse, including substances and medications, as early as in utero that can start them on the path. If there are no interventions, they continue and become willing and able to use violence as a tool and as a weapon as their coping style and as their way of life. I worked specifically with this group, mostly male, prior to the age of 12. To shift these kids, it requires intensive therapy at an early age. This never happened with Cruz as a child (or as an adult). This is a failure of the adults, including caretakers, parents, and professionals. This rationale and these facts are not the primary way the jury will decide on life vs death. In fact, everyone on this jury was vetted as to any possible bias to include a bias against the death penalty. As far as what will be determined by the jury, it doesn’t matter if he is rehabilitable or that his violence was intentional or even that he basically had no chance to find his way in the world without rage and violently acting out rage. It also doesn’t matter if jurors think he is manipulating them. What matters is what the jurors think about the death penalty. No matter what they said as to being able to decide on death vs life without bias, it will come down to whether they think that death is the final resolution to his life. And b/c it only takes 1 juror saying “no”, it is almost completely likely he will get life. Regardless of what any of us think should be the final resolution, it’s this jury that will decide. And if it is death, as unlikely as that would be, there will be years of appeals as we all know, even if Cruz determines he wants death, again unlikely. The jury’s decision is the reason this trial is worth paying attention to. It informs us about ourselves in so many ways, particularly that we are almost completely lame when it comes to intervention, and this is true in this case. We can do better and we must do better. ~Todd
I respect your profession but what facility could have been used to rehabilitate him? It seems like the writing was on the wall. His adopted mother was way in over her head. It is also interesting that his brother had the same mother, grew up in the home as NC and hasn't committed mass murder. We want to rehabilitate everyone, but is it possible that there is just pure evil that can't be fixed.
@@LexiLynn71 not about fixing evil. His brother was not born on substances btw. Read up on his history. There is a detachment from connection that occurs when the mother is using/drinking. Yes, many of these young boys are not able to connect on a level of vulnerability and caring. They don’t feel it even when others share it. So they don’t recognize goodness between themselves and others. Most of us do feel some connection with others or certain people. When it is not felt, there is no way to know something is missing. It’s not because they are evil that they don’t feel the glue that holds many people together. This is why there must be intervention. These therapies are effective and have been around for some time. You’ll find in the so called healing arts that most of it is lame. I do not respect my profession for this reason. Labeling people does nothing. Behavior modification does nothing. Medicating people almost always makes it worse. Pretending you’re helping and blaming the client is immoral. Choosing a healing profession but not effective solutions is a crime. We can do better.
@@LexiLynn71 agree. In other words, some cannot be rehabed. They mindfuck therpaists, waste people's time and do more harm. Thier brains did not develop to have empathy and they simply dont have the same operating system as the rest of us. Thats the devils work, to get tied up running in circles on problems that cant be fixed or dont exist. Hes the devil, essentially.
Todd....YES! Agree 1000 percent. Nobody ever tried to rehabilitate this kid...passed him along ...someone else's problem. This country seriously needs to make mental health a priority . It should be taught from day 1 in schools and talked about. We pay more attention to athletic performance and PE than we do mental wellness. We will continue to see violence,drug usage and suicides in this country until we start making mental wellness a priority.
As a european psychologist and psychotherapist, who works with teenagers at hospital, I disagree with this diagnosis. I think they underdiagnozed Nikolas. I've seen many borderline people (also men) and they don't behave as Cruz does. They often don't kill, they use this threat or hurting themselves as manipulation to not being left alone. They are impulsive, but not in the way that they will kill many people. They're very focused on 1 person with who they'll have love-hate relationship, where they love person, but at the same time hate them (like small child do), because of the dependance they feel. So it's not as simple as one time I like you, and other I don't. It's totally mixed and stirred. They are not agressive in a way as sociopaths do (because they feel tension relieved because of that), but they're more like a grown-up vulnerable child, who behaves emotionally, manipulating just to avoid being alone. They don't know who they are, because they haven't had opportunity to establish themselves in eyes of others. So they are still in a position of small child, who seeks for someone to keep them safe. It reminds me of Melanie Klein's theory about good and bad object - child hates its mother for being someone who it needs, but also takes great pleasure from interacting with her or her body. It's similar with BPD people. They fear of being "eaten" or "swallowed" by other person, so they pull and push them over and over again, to maintain status quo. Nikolas clinged to his mother, because he was unstable, alone, weird, assaulted, laughed at, etc., but he was also rude or cruel to her. He wanted someone else to love him, because he was always lonely and unaccepted, because he was the weird one. That is very common in autistic people (especially males). He was probably bullied at school, because he was this one weirdo that everyone laughs at. And because of his inabilities and lacking social skills, he hadn't known what to do, so he became agressive, because of his destroyed and undeveloped ego, which couldn't control him and rule over his impulses. Also it may be due to ADHD and - maybe - autism. People with ADHD are also often aggresive and impulsive, due to lack of internal control over impulses. Adding to that development issues, social inabilities and low cognitive functioning, we may have a person who seems borderline, but it's not BPD, but rather borderline state of mind, which in psychoanalysis means distorted psychic aparatus, close to psychotic position, where person is completely detached from reality. Also diagnosing someone with borderline, because he searched for "who am I?" in Google is a joke to me. Many teenegers do that and they don't have personality disorders. It takes much more to that. From what I learned from this trial about Cruz, I would rather say he has some sort of deep childhood trauma, disorted attachment scheme, maybe cognitive difficulties and considering his prenatal issues with his biological background, I'd rather consider some development issues (such as ADHD, autism spectrum) or other more biological issues, not personality disorder. I think he really had problems with realizing reality and fiction. For me it's much more complex, distorted psychic than BPD.
Indeed I agree..... childhood traumas abounded in Nikolas Cruz's early life! Repeated abandonment and attachment issues throughout! Abandoned by his biological mother; and his adoptive mother and her brother had themselves been abandoned by their biological mother, which would leave deep emotional 'attachment' scars on them...... Then, at aged 5 (or 6) it was Nikolas who found his adoptive father suddenly dead at 62 in his Study.......another 'abandonment' trauma for such a young child!
Thank you for your comment! I cant believe this guy gave him this diagnosis. And the comments on this video are like "hell he's borderline..." I think this guy was inaccurate in providing examples. I cant believe he said BPD for this guy..
Yes and, that's what makes this so disturbing the fact that so many knew about how disturbed N.C. was but nothing was done to help him as a child. This lead to a very messed up child who grew up and, turned into a killer.
@@charlottelovato5770 Sounds like there was an ARMY of professionals, school teachers and counselors, as well as law enforcent who tried their best to help, to no avail. I mean, practically every minute of his life is documented. Later on in this doctor's testimony, he relates how, as a newborn, he did not have any symptom of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. The mother had regular prenatal check-ups, prenatal care and random drug testing throughout her pregnancy. She didadmit that she continued to smoke cigarettes during the pregnancy.
He already plead guilty. They are having a jury decide if he gets death penalty or life in prison. The defense is trying to say please don't give him death because he has mental health issues that caused this tragedy.
@@ButtonsCasey well as long as you’re medicated, periodically being observed by a psychiatrist, and seeing a therapist you should be good. Also remember that just because you share a diagnosis with this guy doesn’t mean you’re in any way shape or form like this guy.
@Edwin Thats what my mom has. And she almost ended my life. I was sick and had to be rescued. Its like its all an act to them, a play. Not real. Not with real consequences.
Hes a killer. Mental health categories are designed to help in treating patients. Thats the point of the DSM. Here they have to use it to help a jury decide his fate. It doesnt matter what he "is" so long as the jury can fully understand whether he was truly cognizant of his actions or not. Those were the key points. People dont realize what the DSM is for, and also what its not for, and that some things are irrelevant because thier understanding of each condition is constantly evolving.
Sure hope so. The only thing about the death sentence in this state he could appeal it a dozen times it could be 20 to 25 even 30 years before they put them to sleep. Although if he gets life I hope they put him in general population so everybody else can check it out if you know what I mean
Go watch the JCS episode about him. It is interesting to see him trying to fake his psychotic symptoms during the interrogation. If the incident wasn’t so damn sad, his trying to fake being crazy would have been funny. I am just waiting on the day it is announced he’s been taken care of in prison. I really believe that will eventually happen.
He wants to be sentenced to death, he was too much of a coward to do it himself I guess.. since he wants death I think a better punishment is jail so he can suffer for the rest of his days.
This is America. They like the drama and the new age word salad, not to mention the suspense. If you prefer quicker Justice, go to Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.
Because the defense is dragging it out. Also, it's important to do it right, so the defense can't get a mistrial and it'll have to do it all over again.
I agree, Cruz doesn't add anything significant to people..He's damaged in the brain, premeditated the murders with pride on his video? He doesn't need anymore evaluations or meds...he needs guilty, and death penalty..bye Cruz
2:18 Hahah I recognize that educational rhetoric anywhere haha, I even use that with my patients sometimes. This guy is a great teacher, I would of loved to have him as a psychology professor, he's really good
how is the defendant gonna sit there and send messages back any forth to lawyers why dose he need that many lawyers anyway he thinks he can get a slap on the wirst
I have bpd but got treated for 5 years, it was very hard work…but it turned out to be inactive because of the hard work I did. I am very chill now, I don’t like fighting, yelling & being angry…it’s weird…sometimes I’m so chill that if I am in a fight, the person will be frustrated that I don’t have enough of a reaction….I digress. Anyways I would never kill anyone…so please don’t think everyone with bpd is a horrible person.
We knew he was lying and pretending to be psychotic to create a base for defense from day 1. We appreciate the doctors & tests but it was obvious to us who have no psych degree.
You’re either a sociopath or you’re not a sociopath, if you’re a sociopath, what level are you on, is the only question that needs to be asked, it’s that simple.
It's a li'l bit Old Testament, but I'd prefer victims' survivors do the executions in the manner in which he committed the murders. Those weren't cruel and unusual FOR HIM. He should appreciate the same treat.
The closest thing we got to the old Testament are the Middle Eastern Religions. Unfortunately Americans are soft and cannot stand watching someone get stoned to death.
Trauma does not heal by inducing more trauma. And when trauma unhealed goes unchecked.... people get twisted and sometimes become killers. The result of this trial should be education on how to prevent kids from turning into killers and how to allow families to heal following tradgedies. That would be most just. As for Cruz. He is already in hell.
This expert claims that Nikolas didn't or at least he didn't think that Nikolas met the criteria for paranoid stressful ideation. However, Nikolas claiming that marijuana made his mental symptoms worse could indicate extensive paranoia, because when your extremely insecure or even paranoid about.. such as the reprecussion of a consequence that occurred in the past or potentially upcoming, the influence of THC can make such mental anguish even worse. There was an improper choice of words from this expert in claiming that he "certainly felt" that Nikolas was malingering.. being that you can't feel absolutely certain about something bssed on a feeling, as that itself is only an indication of some sort, a hunch, a gut feeling, etc. It also seemingly looks more credible when a speaker doesn't ask themselves a question before answering it themself as it puts them more on the level of the audience, not assuming off hand that the audience wouldn't be capable of concluding what he did. And it also would've made a bigger impact if this expert would've jumped right into explaining why he felt Nikolas was malingering (either immediately after making such a claim or right after that... appears to be a more passionate statement) rather than carry on outside of such an explanation, before the prosecution eventaully exclusively asked him why in so many words.
Actually... this expert didn't just bluntly say that he "felt" that Nick was malingering... my mistake. Cut short... he said that there were certainly times when he felt Nick was reporting A-typical symptoms of which weren't associated with his history... However, if this expert didn't feel confident enough to just bluntly say that Nick's claims WERE A-typical (defiantly fact-based from a practical standpoint) and not supported by evidence, then he still technically can't use the term "felt" on a basis of certainty. Although... now this of course sounds like quite a minor error on the surface, however... if the expert's goal was to make a good impression on the prosecution (for the sake of what he thinks the jury's interpretation should be), then his choice of words could've been something of a strategy (at least subconciously) to present reassurance where there wasn't a defiant means to do so. That said, the expert's only other options were to say such as that there "certainly were times when he felt that Nick COULD'VE been reporting A-typical symptoms.... " While it actually would seem most appropriate to replace the words "certainly" and "could've" with just simply mentioning that Nick "seemed" or "appeared" to report A-typical symptoms. Regardless though, any of those three options wouldn't sound as overall decisive as the expert saying that there were "certainly times when he felt that Nick was reporting..." being that the word "certainly" used prior to the expert's descriptive means (how they personally felt about Nick's credibility), appears to mask the word "feel" as a decisively answered one, when it's not. Everything taken together, it would've been preferable for the expert to either provide an entirely blunt, fact-based answer or one that was based on a speculated indication... as opposed to a mid-between. Anyways... it would also be preferable for me to try to make sure to listen more carefully next time. Indeed.
This expert claiming that there was "robust" evidence of malingering with one example being in the structured interview.that Nick was given by this individual. The expert claimed that there was about every OCD example in a typical person's lifestyle that you could think of and that Nick claimed many of them, yet this wasn't supported by the history. It would've been preferable to hear at least one example (also there being no paper record, just a verbal discussion with just this expert as the only link to the proposed evidence) since Nick is alleged to have claimed so many OCD "tendencies" and the evidence against him is to the extent of robust, then it seems appropriate to give the jury a more in depth understanding. For example, if Nick claimed that he is OCD about getting around slow drivers, yet he doesn't have any speeding tickets... or whatever and all. This expert's opening word to the topic of malingering was "yeah" while yes sounds distinctly more professional.
This expertmentioned himself as being personally involved with Nick for 21 hours and was able to see both how Nick presented himself in contrast to his answers on the trauma symptom inventory tests. The expert then went on about how another test is the best one that he knows as best recalled... for detecting lies and indicated that Nick was deceitful. However, if he's going as far as even mentioning that HE the expert had witnessed extensive presentation of Nick in the midst of all this, then it seems that he was trying to give the impression that even Nick's behavior itself was suspicious in some way(s), yet no answers based on personal observation were mentioned. It at least sounds like he was trying to give the impression that Nick's behavior indicated deceit based on personal presentation alone, but in the event that it didn't, then there was no real reason for the expert to mention his 21 hours of personal time with Nick in contrast to the scored results. It's a wonder if the expert was trying to slip in suspicion of Nick's behavior too easily to the jury, without having to specifically verify.
Although Nick did first mention the Swasika being interpreted as a peace symbol by the native Americans, he probably first mentioned that because it was the less likely of the two usages, that the expert would've been aware of. Granted, this Nazi symbol is offensive enough that a person SHOULD first acknowledge it as something of negatively offensive, but Nick already did that in a previous statement. Prior to that, when asked what kind of attention did he receive or try to get with the Swastika symbol personally labeling his beliefs, he said it could be perceived as negative or positive, but he mentioned negative first, even despite people typically mentioning "positive or negative" when this phrase is referred to on most or practically all occasions. Nick probably said it the uncommon way in reverse ("negative or positive") because he wanted to prioritize acknowledging the Swastika as offensive, but since he got that part established already, then Nick should not be accused of "malingering well." However, he was distinctly well spoken and didn't seem to have to grasp far for answers, while also displaying humbleness by labeling himself an attention seeker in this matter of Swastika labeling.
To summarize: Cruz understands the difference between right and wrong. He just chooses to do wrong and plans to escape accountability.
Look at how much he manipulated his adoptive mother. And unfortunately she always gave in because she was scared of him. This doctor was amazing in reporting CRUZ'S mentality. He was just a greedy little manipulative ass.
To summarize: nobody got this kid help for his serious psychological struggles.
I absolutely agree 💯
He doesn't though. Nicholas Cruz himself said that he wanted the death penalty. There's no reason to think he's lying about psychosis. In fact it explains all his behavior.
How can a Psychiatrist be so rude to believe in evaluating 3 days to say how he is. This is simply just not professional!
This psychiatrist is certainly a good teacher. The video can be used for decades as a lesson in social pathology.
yes he did break it down into digestible pieces.
@@Nurturing2 Why do you believe this specific expert ist clueless?
It can also be used to show how this kid's issues were ignored by his parent, the school system, law enforcement and the FBI.
@@imalemming4482 anything but blame the person right? Western society is hyper focused on pussifying the entire population. At. The. End. Of. The. Day. HE. Is. To. Blame. Rightly so
Are you being sarcastic?
The original interrogator was great, didn’t believe a word out of his mouth “Your demon has requested an attorney, does the demon have one in mind?”
That was great 👍🏻
Yes, I admit laughing out loud.
The interrogator was epic...he punched through that wet paper bag in seconds.
I loved it when he took off his glasses and said, "I'm not convinced." Finally, all he had to say was, "Stop it."
Experience is worth pure gold.
The shooter deserves to hang.
No malingering here . Ugh ugh
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is his mental health in question at all? I don't understand this. He clearly suffered severe trauma as a child on top of whatever else might or might not have existed naturally. Are they just saying he faked additional symptoms after his arrest? I just can't believe anyone would buy that this kid wasn't seriously disturbed from early on.
He's trying to manipulate everyone just by his behavior. Big dorky glasses, needy attire(not professional in a courtroom). Clean shaven face and goofy haircut to mimic a young, confused boy when he's 24 years old. Coloring in the court room to appear aloof and unaware. It's all a show.
He'll be stuck in jail for the rest of his life, until he fries.
Well...he is trying to survive...so of course he's gonna try to look boyish and confused
Probably his lawyers told him to dress like that to make the jury feel sorry for him.
Only kids can have shaved faces? What.
Non verbals
As a Health Psychologist from Europe, the way this psychiatrist explained everything in such detail, really makes me proud of my profession and the professionals in it.
Really all I can comment is ...WOW. The presentation was objective, and just truly great to watch.
Anyways, I send healing to all of the family members and everyone who was affected by this horrible crime.
a truly fantastic presentation
So good in fact that it might have been the last torpedo in the defense's ship.
Indeed, he is super pleasant to watch and listen due to the way how he explains - even a medical dummy like ma can understand well :) Great witness for the state, defense is crying on the inside ....
I also like that he is asking questions and follows with the answer so people can really understand what is he talking about, so many great qualities about the witness.
I hope this helps regain peoples trust and faith in psychiatry. People need help and tend to fear getting it. I think this shows how practical and honest the work is, and how its objective and non-persecutory. But it can be used in the court of law! So dont try to fake it!
"what pretending to be crazy looks like"
There is even a Video with over 63 Million views of Killers pretending to be crazy on Here. Cruz is in the video he knew what He was doing.
Yup exactly
"Demons, man! Voices! What happened?"
"Shut up."
@@i-work-at-enron Does your demon know an attorney?
I don't doubt that he has some mental health issues but I also believe that he knew right from wrong and because of his mental problems he chose to take a weapon and kill innocent people. There was a series of actions that he took to take out his anger on people who couldn't defend themselves.
He knew exactly what he was doing.
I completely agree! I’ve been thinking this whole time, if he can’t control his
“Impulses” like the defense says, how has he sat in the court room this entire time without making a peep?? He absolutely is in control of his actions.
This trial is only teaching him how to be a better liar. He has taken these tests his entire life since a child and he’s hung out with psych doctors for as long as he can remember. What good has it done him if he isn’t going to try to recognize his behaviors? He’s always chosen violence and destruction of property and life. He’s never going to change he chose to do everything he has done since he can remember it’s all been recorded. He is a fake and a fraud and hasn’t shown any kind of kindness or respect for anyone. He’s evil and will always be even with a handler he is a fraud.
@@sharagaard6778 EXACTLY
@@sharagaard6778 He's heavily sedated and is being administered psychtropic drugs. So, basically, he's a bowl of jelly.
@@giancarlocarattini4985 are you even looking at this video. Cruz is not heavily sedated. If he was, he would NOT be sitting there having any interaction with his lawyer. He would be in a "zombified" state. 🤦
as a forensic psychologist, this man gave some of the best definitions & examples of cluster b personality disorders. i felt like i was back in my University lectures all over again.. i was so tuned in!
Also with the ‘faking symptoms’ - I watched the interrogation as soon as it was posted after the crime… i watched the whole 3 hours. it was very clear this was not a ‘psychotic break/episode’ & he did not have any cluster c personality disorder symptoms… he didn’t show true GENUINE signs of psychosis or schizophrenia but he was TRYING to act/show what he thought these would be in order to manipulate the detectives & the system. i recommend watching if the case interests you or if you want to see some very poor attempts at ‘faking’ psychotic symptoms.. a lot of the common devil/demon talk & false auditor & sensory hallucinations. he was able to switch everything on & off to his benefit.
JCS did a great breakdown of his facade in their video. Sucks they got shut down
@@jacedjohnson3541 it's still there
Very well said!
Yeah , I work with alot of addiction/mental health/homelessness folks and have great diagnosis understanding after 20 plus years. And it was hard to watch the interrogation because I saw him clearly putting on a show. He said the things he figured would make him seem crazy. But he had limited understanding, and it was obvious. But I'm always concerned that SOMEONE will believe them..so it's hard to watch for that reason. Otherwise, it's actually ridiculously humorous. Watching him try so hard and thinking he's smart.
@@jacedjohnson3541 there’s some other channels that have since been created since JCS stopped posting if you’re into the interrogations ect but after now what seems like ervyone got into true crime there are just so many & very few are accurate or can pick up everything. it still gives people the access to watch interrogations atleast… without the lengthy 3+ hours of things that sometimes should be cut out for an empty room ect.
He was no idiot. He knew what he was doing, has good recall and can communicate clearly and plan. Prosecution has won their case I think.
YES
He has a rudimentary knowledge of chess... someone has to have SOME smarts to do that, even if it's just well enough to lose. Chess is a game of strategy, so he would have to plan the outcome of his next 2-3 moves - even if they are "wrong".
I agree, defense has absolutely nothing to argue. Prosecutions witnesses have all made the defense team look weak. Cruz is going to pay.
But mental health illnesses and IQ can coexist. Not defending at all just saying.
Was there ever a question of whether or not he wasn't going to win? My apologies as I'm not being sarcastic, I'm seriously asking. I've missed the beginning of this trial, and only watched some of the earlier bit of this part (it has been going on forever it seems, so I ended up losing interest in some of the witnesses). I mainly watched the victim impact statements.
I took psychology in college for my police studies degree and the psychiatrist expert explained things better than what I learnt in class this feels like a refresher course to me.
Q
learnt???
@@jondishmonmusicandstuff2753 Learnt is a word. Past tense for learn, common in British English.
I'm gonna die of old age before this trial ends.
Lmao yea… defense rests 1/2 way through their crap & then they take 2 weeks off & now we got prosecution coming back around with more of the same.
HAHA
the prosecutor will for sure
Dont worry this judge is so incompetent she may actually cause a mistrial, there may be a retrial yet!
😂😂 I was saying that too. It has taken too much time out of my elderly life, im counting down my lifespan; how much I have left to see the outcome of this trial 😂😂
Thank God they caught him in this. I have seen the tape of him being interviewed once captured, its obvious he's faking from the get-go. He knew what he did was wrong and by his own choice. He was not driven by feaking voices either. Schizophrenics are the most stigmatized because of people like him. He tried to capitalize on that. He's exploitive to others and does not care who he hurts, he is and always will be a killer.
@@jaydedtoday,
Did you hear the Forensic Psychiatrist tell us how many LIES the shooter tried to tell him about his "mental conditions"?
He "Over-reported" = claimed symptoms that were not present during 21 hours of careful interviewing and assessment.
Shooter wanted to be considered "mentally ill" to dodge the Death Penalty.
What if this sob story achieved a life sentence, and he's let out years later ....and kills 20 more people?
That POS planned, celebrated his crime beforehand, lied to LE about "the voices" and mercilessly slaughtered innocent children and adults who ran to help them.
He blended in with escaping children and asked a victim's family member for a ride home.
He's playing the "traumatized/disadvantaged" card for all it's worth.
I don't buy it.
He has earned himself an Exit card, to join God and be judged.
He does not deserve the right to walk free among people.
He deserves a 3'x6' dirt farm.
Enough with the school shooters! No more! Our elected officials have armed protection: don't our children have the right to be safe at school?
School killings can get worse: please read the book,
"Terror at Beslan". 180+ CHILDREN were killed at a school in Europe at ONE school!
What happened there could happen anywhere.
The author said if we employed 2-4 military veterans (per location) to patrol our schools, it would be a valuable safety measure for our children.
--- as an aside, it would also be honorable employment for our veterans.
If they cycled through different school sites, the boredom factor would be eliminated.
Our children deserve protection from this type of predator.
We need to achieve ZERO school shootings, and I think it's possible.
This doctor is all they need. He’s making this information so understandable
Agree!
I mean, I feel everything he's saying is common sense and pretty much anyone who has been following this case can determine
@@cluezybluez That’s a hallmark of a good teacher
They still lost! 🤣
If we respond with murder to murder we are not better!
Let me break it down in real Layman's terms: He dressed in the school-distributed JROTC garb, killed a bunch of kids he didn't even know, tried to blend in with other kids afterward, tried to get a ride home, then lied about HEARING VOICES from the devil as he was being apprehended. He planned it, he's a liar and not even a good one. There. I just saved us all hours of needless chatter. Let's instead talk about the bright futures he snuffed out.
Entire FAMILIES snuffed out really.
you didn't though. he missed out on the fact that his birth mother was drinking, smoking, taking drugs while pregnant with him. that his adoptive mother tried to help him but fell short and then died. that he never had a chance to develop into a normally functioning member of society. does not excuse him as a murderer, but give a fuller picture. there, corrected it for you.
This is the most normal psychiatrist I have ever seen in a trial. Most of them are kind of quirky or loopy looking.
Just like your mother.
What a weird comment to make
@@fart63 ok Karen.
Not weird comment. Ive seen a few too. I worked with them.
@@fart63not really
I can't believe I was 38 when this happened and now I'm 41 watching Nicholas doodle without cuffs in a nice comfy sweater still not dead yet, just chillin and whispering to his homies lol incredible!
Yeah he will live forever which is bullcrap
John Hmielewski-& a bullet proof vest on.
Even if he is put to death that is still going to be years until it happens. You don't get sentenced to death and it happens the next day..people are on death row for 15+ years.
@@brittanym7491 which is a travesty
Sad, just like the Boston bomber. They get all the amenities in prison too
Poor guy, it's part of growing up. I didn't like it when my husband left me and my two children. I hot through it without hurting anyone. So shooting up innocent people and destroying their lives forever never crossed my mind.
This guy basically told Nikolas to his face and infront of the entire court that he wasn't fooling anyone with his lies and pretending to be crazier than he really was. He does have issues but not to where he didn't know right from wrong and he chose to do wrong anyways.
Only the fool does not recognize the science: "Fetal alcohol syndrome causes brain damage and growth problems. The problems caused by fetal alcohol syndrome vary from child to child, but defects caused by fetal alcohol syndrome are not reversible." Expecting the brain damaged to rationally explain their conduct is really quite ignorant.
@@TheDustbinofHistory They are professionals who have came in contact with many people just like him in terms of things he's been through. I trust they know what they are talking about or they wouldn't have been called in for credible testimony. They have flat out said that fetal alcohol syndrome would not have caused him to do this. He was not 'out of control'. He knew what he was doing was considered wrong but still desired to do it and ended up doing it anyways. The defense playing the mental health card is literally their only angle, which is why they went that route. And a lot believed it and sympathized with it. It's a sham. He is mentally screwed up, we all can agree. But he is NOT a victim like they played him to be.
emotions are more important than rational thoughts, if your emotions are messep up, you are not going to stick to the rational thoghts that killing is bad. What makes your follow the rules is what you feel not what you know.
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@😮melaniem4798
I’m very glad the prosecution has put this very intelligent specialist on the stand. I think it was obvious to a lot of people in NCs police interrogation that he was malingering but to have scientific evidence that proves it is incredible.
My husband is a democrat and I’m a republican. My husband is also a former trial attorney and prosecutor. We don’t always agree on the death penalty. I DO ESPECIALLY when it come to children. However I seriously believe he planned and knew what he was doing but at the same time, this guy is messed up and bad!!!
@@aletaparsons1754 In what way is he messed up, in your opinion? Or assessment. I’m not trying to be rude or sarcastic. The Dr explained in layman's terms that the jury and the rest could understand NC isn’t messed up as you see it or crazy. He's evil! That's my assessment.
@@foreveryours7464 I definitely think he has some sort of mental illness BUT I ALSO, believe he’s full of hate. I don’t see remorse of any kind. It takes an evil person to go into a school and kill innocent children
What I said about the death penalty, I didn’t mean that it shouldn’t apply to him. Personally, if I were a juror I would already have my mind made up.
@@aletaparsons1754 I don't believe he's crazy; he's definitely evil, and I think he was jealous of the students. What got was the other psychiatrist was saying his disabilities due to his mom drinking when she was pregnant. And then this doctor proved everyone wrong and had video proof to show NC can read, write and recall on the pass, and present. He’s evil!
This doctor is excellent. Very credible and clear.
Wish we could see full video of this psychiatrist’s actual interviews of Cruz
🙌🙌🙌 me too
Yes, I would've liked to have seen his and Amber Heard's testing video too!
@@missmew3499 Why Amber Heards?
@@virtualxella I think because she was also diagnosed with Borderline personality disorder... Coincidentally also by a extraordinarily gifted Doctor.
@@missmew3499 I agree with you about ah.
I have said Nicholas Cruz is a manipulator since the beginning
And they know that surly
100%
This witness was amazing for the states case. Very knowledgeable and his attention to detail was spot on. The defense team was shaking in their boots.
Yes i dont think this docter suffers fools.the initual detective that interviewed cruz said to him does your demon want a lawyer i think he read write through.
I could learn from this man all day. Such a good explainer.
I would die having my mental health be analysed like that.
Cruz trying to keep himself distracted while the doctor said he was rejected made me laugh.
I have my own mental health issues and would be uncomfortable with it broadcasted like that.
I smiled when the parents smiled when the interrogation about the swastika was taking place. "What does the swastika mean to you?" He answers, "peace". The parents expression was like yeahhh right..
It started as a peace symbol before being hijacked from the Nazi's
It actually gave the families a good chuckle when Cruz suggested the Germans were "stupid" for appropriating the swastika because it was a "Native American" peace symbol.
Weirdly enough, it wasn't originally a bad symbol. It was a peace symbol but I think it came from ancient Tibetan monks.
@@australien9455Nik must’ve read or heard somewhere that it was originally an Indian symbol and mistakenly assumed they meant American Indian.
So... he researched it. Hmm...
I bet he now thinks falling in love with his AR-15 was stupid too and wasn't going to impress the chicks.
@@kaimalino528 He was obsessed with googling "underage girls naked chest". 🤮🤮🤮
I am a clinical psychologist who specializes in BPD and I am honestly shocked with how this man is diagnosing him with BPD. The examples he uses as symptoms are not accurate to what the symptoms really mean in the DSM And hardly suggest a borderline pd pattern. He’s just straight up reading the symptoms without understanding them and saying
”hmmm I can make this example fit as a symptom”
I’m late to the party but I love this comment! I too have BPD and was thinking he was stretching a bit for examples as well. I hate seeing BPD diagnosis just being thrown around so casually in a very public trials like this one - it adds to the stigma that people with BPD are “crazy”. They did the same thing with the Jodi Arias trials!
My jaw DROPPED when he said BPD. I have a lot of experience with the condition, a few members of my family have it. I’ve found that the condition is rooted in intense emotions, whereas Cruz has showed NOTHING in the way of it. I know you cannot tell what Cruz is REALLY like but nothing in the evidence suggests BPD. It’s such a shame, as BPD is already heavily stigmatised condition, that won’t be helped being attached to this heartless killer.
@@hannahmaria6887 I know it really sucks. I don’t know why so many people commented on this video saying how amazing the psychiatrist was…
@@hannahmaria6887 I had to replay that part twice because his examples were so stretched I thought I was miss hearing him. I don’t even tell people I have BPD anymore because of killers getting that diagnosis.
I have BPD and I would NEVER think of doing something so disgusting and inhuman. I hurt myself but would never hurt someone else...I hate that I have the same diagnosis as this inhuman monster
Life , without parole , case closed ! The horror , parents , are going through , sad , for them
One day, we'll look at mental health as the main thing and not the last thing to care about. Everything in your life stems from your mental health and we act like it's a bunch of nonsense.
I so agree!! My state is so bad about helping mental illness. Ugh
I think it's nationwide in our country.
Im 61, and have seen how serious mental illness has become. From mild to extreme, yet it seems to be at the bottom of the list of funding and attention in our country.
Perhaps if we had affordable, good help, we would not have mass shootings. 🙏
The medical mafia has added dozens of 'mental illnesses' yo theIr diagnostic bible. It is part of Big Pharma's marketing strategy to put millions more on psych meds! They should be on trial for all the kids that commit suicide under their influence.
We could also stop coddling kids, and therefore build thicker skins so they're not getting offended and broken down so easily. Kids don't have the same tolerance for issues as older generations did/do.
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@@deb6415 Florida has pretty good help when it comes to mental health. I've had a very traumatic childhood and went through 8 plus years of addiction. Never once did I think to k!ll innocent children or even adults for that matter. IMO he has no excuse not after all the help I received in Florida for mental health. Trust me I was in and out of psychiatric hospital for years in Miami. They never failed to help me even without insurance. Some places it's hard to get mental health help but I don't think Florida is one.
I am a psychatrist and the doctor explained the lying Nicholas Cruz was doing poorly on tests and faked a condition. I am feeling for the victim's families because no matter what punishment, they are suffering and I am doing my best to console them, I have been crying for the past 4 years traumatized by this incident and angered by the fact that the school knew he was unstable and still failed to respond on time.
Thank obama suppressed arrests and wanted alternate routes across country. Vomit.
There's a multilevel breakdown in this case:
1.) Mental health professionals for not giving Cruz the necessary counseling and intensive psychiatric care.
2.) The administrators at the schools he attended for not doing enough to guide him on the right path.
3.) Law enforcement at the local, state and federal levels for not intervening.
4.) School resource officers for not intervening during the shooting.
@@michaellovely6601 Birth mother drinking to the extent he did in fact have some brain damage from alcohol-remember the preschool master teacher/owner saying he was globally delayed-aggressive, non-social, bit way more than most children at a later age, couldn't use words to ask for what he wanted, could only eat with his hands, fell down a lot-when she had him age 1-3. They referred him to special early intervention but she didn't know how much the parents followed through. He didn't talk until 4, wasn't toilet trained until 4.
@@Laura-kl7vi Mm-hm. Now that he has been sentenced for his crimes; the overall consensus is that the jury got it wrong with three of the jurors who voted no on execution and ultimately gave a massive FU to the families of the victims. Due to the fact that at the time death penalty cases in Florida required a unanimous jury to sentence criminals to Death Row; Judge Elizabeth Scherer had no choice but to impose thirty-four life sentences for his crimes.
@@michaellovely6601 he is still utterly responsible for his actions. We live in a world where you don’t get hospitalized unless you actually DO SOMETHING (suicide attempt etc.) so interventions probably wouldn’t have worked anyways. Some people are simply not fixable- a sad reality. Let’s blame the murderer here, he is to blame. And yes I am a psychologist
Many people go through similar issues as Mr Cruze and never thought about killing people who couldn't defend themselves.
Because they know it's not acceptable and morally wrong.
@@tbone541 he knew it was wrong
@@evanna3950exactly, he just didn't care.
This psychiatrist is an excellent expert witness to explain things to juries & the judge. It’s quite a talent to be able to condense a huge amount of psychiatric information into a brief, easily understood explanation
He wants to manipulate people to thinking he is crazy, he knows alot about different history for a crazy person, he’s trying to slide by not taking responsibility for what he did, maybe life would really be better for him to really think about what damage he caused to the families of his victims, everyday he will have lots of time to think of the people he hurt for did that will really get to him, don’t kill him that will be his punishment forever to his demise
Dr. Curry tore Amber Heard apart factually in an interesting engaging educational manner also. btw why does he need and how did he get an army of defense attorneys.
Malingering accusations. He gets public defense everyone is entitled to it according to US laws.
@@sA-ny2jl what a waste of$$$ for a bad defense.
addiction is inherited.His biological mother was a chronic alcoholic and drug user .
This forensic psychologist is absolutely amazing. His explanation is so clear and understandable, which is important when speaking as an expert witness. It also displays key skill and expertise to the jury, the court, and the defense as to giving credibility to his testimony.
If he has Anti Social Personality Disorder, than wouldn't he have Psychopathy? I didn't hear him specify which APD. It's not sociopathy as he is more calculated. I am really confused as BPD may be comorbid with APD but wouldn't be summed up as just BPD being dominant.
I believe he's a psychiatrist not a psychologist
This Psych is really GREAT at saying things in lamence terms. Any other one is usually using huge words and not even explaining them.
for a psychiatrist, this guy surprisingly seems normal himself.
Jajaja 🤣
I don't know why they don't tie his ass to a post, give the survivors and victims' families torcher devices and weapons and let fate take its course. To me that's the only thing close to justice that could come of this. And, even then he'd really be getting off lightly.
Logic escapes liberals
actually i know the reason. i am pretty sure it's related to long standing ideals of civilized society and more specifically, the constitution of the united states.
@@realnfnkalyan would you enjoy Biden sniffing your hair
@@realnfnkalyan ok boomer
Perfect
1:40 Look at this monster taking notes and showing his lawyer… Is this what a “crazy” person would do? … NOPE.. He knew EXACTLY what he was doing!
You can be crazy and take notes. Taking notes is a simple activity.
You'd be surprised at how many people with mental health issues including psychosis take notes. Some people can have functioning psychosis.
JCS said so a few years ago. Nikolas Cruz tried his very best, which was laughably bad to present as someone who is criminally insane.
This psychiatrist is explaining what
“crazy like a fox” means
He seems completely fine in those videos
All about getting attention towards him. The tantrums, the yelling, the punches, etc....all for attention.
He was trying to impress the chicks with his AR-15. The victims just got in the way and died.
Not that unusual for children that never learn how to get their needs met.
@@kaimalino528 You should pay more attention to what Dr. Scott talked about. It wasn't just impressive chicks. He wants people dead, he hates everyone.
A common trait of those with borderline personality disorder tbh. They are desperate for attention because of their fear of abandonment. And they usually use extreme methods to get it, which is why the police, fire, ambulance & hospitals know many people with BPD, as they constantly create drama to get attention that involves one or all of us
@@allisonjames2923 I know, I've read many books on BPD. The problem was, in his younger years his adoptive mother had no clue how to deal with him, and he manipulated her to get his way all the time, which encouraged him to continually have his little bouts of temper tantrums and destroying everything and getting his way. I'm sure deep down in his dark, evil soul he's enjoying every part of this penalty phase. Because it's all about him.
Just when you think he can’t get any worse as a person…..
Look how he keeps his head down the whole time for this!
Don't give him attention lol
Because he's called out in front of millions of people worldwide.
Glad he was diagnosed accurately with BPD. My oldest sister (13.5 years my senior) has BPD, and while she would never have gone on a shooting spree in high school (she was head cheerleader and homecoming queen, straight A student, bulemic), as an adult her rage can be so intense that she could EASILY kill someone, including a family member, in a fit of rage. I refuse to sleep under the same roof as her now, but no one in my family was kinder to me in early childhood than she was.
BPD can be a *very serious* and dangerous personality disorder in some people, it just depends on how severe their presentation is (and past traumas are). BPD is a spectrum disorder, so you get everything from emo musicians all the way up to Jeffrey Dahmer and this guy.
The truly frightening thing is they come across as weak and vulnerable, and sometimes they talk baby talk, so you feel like you want to protect them...but you need protection FROM them because W O W can they ever turn on you with a fury like you never imagined was possible.
We're not monsters, we're deeply troubled
I've read way too much Grisham - when this started out, I figured a paid mouthpiece ... wow, how wrong! This was pure education into the mind and manipulations of a psychopathic sociopath swinging the lead ... well done doctor.
Dude looks like an Accountant.
Or a company CEO.
@@katerinapatiniotis5598 I was thinking Will Ferrell
@@HopeNoellee No man! Will Ferrell has an dumb look in his face. Will Ferrell looks more like Dr Phil.
Or a Dr in a courtroom
I’m a professional in the field. What teen male doesn’t do everything Cruz did romantically as a teen? I can’t think of a guy who hasn’t done this, calling the girl a C word and B word. Becoming obsessed, suicidal, jealous, violent in many cases. In addition, Cruz can’t put his process together towards functionality in healthy ways and has not done so throughout his life and with good reasons. To put it another way, there was no reason for him to be able to do otherwise. Not everyone will resort to violence including the most horrific wanton violence. It requires an antisocial personality (a willingness to annihilate in an attempt to feel better about one’s self) which is exactly what this doctor says he found. There are many antisocial children and adults in society and in my opinion, this is a prerequisite for extreme acts against others. They are not born as such but can experience violence and abuse, including substances and medications, as early as in utero that can start them on the path. If there are no interventions, they continue and become willing and able to use violence as a tool and as a weapon as their coping style and as their way of life. I worked specifically with this group, mostly male, prior to the age of 12. To shift these kids, it requires intensive therapy at an early age. This never happened with Cruz as a child (or as an adult). This is a failure of the adults, including caretakers, parents, and professionals. This rationale and these facts are not the primary way the jury will decide on life vs death. In fact, everyone on this jury was vetted as to any possible bias to include a bias against the death penalty. As far as what will be determined by the jury, it doesn’t matter if he is rehabilitable or that his violence was intentional or even that he basically had no chance to find his way in the world without rage and violently acting out rage. It also doesn’t matter if jurors think he is manipulating them. What matters is what the jurors think about the death penalty. No matter what they said as to being able to decide on death vs life without bias, it will come down to whether they think that death is the final resolution to his life. And b/c it only takes 1 juror saying “no”, it is almost completely likely he will get life. Regardless of what any of us think should be the final resolution, it’s this jury that will decide. And if it is death, as unlikely as that would be, there will be years of appeals as we all know, even if Cruz determines he wants death, again unlikely. The jury’s decision is the reason this trial is worth paying attention to. It informs us about ourselves in so many ways, particularly that we are almost completely lame when it comes to intervention, and this is true in this case. We can do better and we must do better. ~Todd
Thank you Todd.
I respect your profession but what facility could have been used to rehabilitate him? It seems like the writing was on the wall. His adopted mother was way in over her head. It is also interesting that his brother had the same mother, grew up in the home as NC and hasn't committed mass murder. We want to rehabilitate everyone, but is it possible that there is just pure evil that can't be fixed.
@@LexiLynn71 not about fixing evil. His brother was not born on substances btw. Read up on his history. There is a detachment from connection that occurs when the mother is using/drinking. Yes, many of these young boys are not able to connect on a level of vulnerability and caring. They don’t feel it even when others share it. So they don’t recognize goodness between themselves and others. Most of us do feel some connection with others or certain people. When it is not felt, there is no way to know something is missing. It’s not because they are evil that they don’t feel the glue that holds many people together. This is why there must be intervention. These therapies are effective and have been around for some time. You’ll find in the so called healing arts that most of it is lame. I do not respect my profession for this reason. Labeling people does nothing. Behavior modification does nothing. Medicating people almost always makes it worse. Pretending you’re helping and blaming the client is immoral. Choosing a healing profession but not effective solutions is a crime. We can do better.
@@LexiLynn71 agree. In other words, some cannot be rehabed. They mindfuck therpaists, waste people's time and do more harm. Thier brains did not develop to have empathy and they simply dont have the same operating system as the rest of us. Thats the devils work, to get tied up running in circles on problems that cant be fixed or dont exist. Hes the devil, essentially.
Todd....YES! Agree 1000 percent. Nobody ever tried to rehabilitate this kid...passed him along ...someone else's problem. This country seriously needs to make mental health a priority . It should be taught from day 1 in schools and talked about. We pay more attention to athletic performance and PE than we do mental wellness. We will continue to see violence,drug usage and suicides in this country until we start making mental wellness a priority.
You made one error in your description. He is 24 so therefore you should change it to “Cruz, 24 faces”
As a european psychologist and psychotherapist, who works with teenagers at hospital, I disagree with this diagnosis. I think they underdiagnozed Nikolas. I've seen many borderline people (also men) and they don't behave as Cruz does. They often don't kill, they use this threat or hurting themselves as manipulation to not being left alone. They are impulsive, but not in the way that they will kill many people. They're very focused on 1 person with who they'll have love-hate relationship, where they love person, but at the same time hate them (like small child do), because of the dependance they feel. So it's not as simple as one time I like you, and other I don't. It's totally mixed and stirred. They are not agressive in a way as sociopaths do (because they feel tension relieved because of that), but they're more like a grown-up vulnerable child, who behaves emotionally, manipulating just to avoid being alone. They don't know who they are, because they haven't had opportunity to establish themselves in eyes of others. So they are still in a position of small child, who seeks for someone to keep them safe. It reminds me of Melanie Klein's theory about good and bad object - child hates its mother for being someone who it needs, but also takes great pleasure from interacting with her or her body. It's similar with BPD people. They fear of being "eaten" or "swallowed" by other person, so they pull and push them over and over again, to maintain status quo. Nikolas clinged to his mother, because he was unstable, alone, weird, assaulted, laughed at, etc., but he was also rude or cruel to her. He wanted someone else to love him, because he was always lonely and unaccepted, because he was the weird one. That is very common in autistic people (especially males). He was probably bullied at school, because he was this one weirdo that everyone laughs at. And because of his inabilities and lacking social skills, he hadn't known what to do, so he became agressive, because of his destroyed and undeveloped ego, which couldn't control him and rule over his impulses. Also it may be due to ADHD and - maybe - autism. People with ADHD are also often aggresive and impulsive, due to lack of internal control over impulses. Adding to that development issues, social inabilities and low cognitive functioning, we may have a person who seems borderline, but it's not BPD, but rather borderline state of mind, which in psychoanalysis means distorted psychic aparatus, close to psychotic position, where person is completely detached from reality.
Also diagnosing someone with borderline, because he searched for "who am I?" in Google is a joke to me. Many teenegers do that and they don't have personality disorders. It takes much more to that. From what I learned from this trial about Cruz, I would rather say he has some sort of deep childhood trauma, disorted attachment scheme, maybe cognitive difficulties and considering his prenatal issues with his biological background, I'd rather consider some development issues (such as ADHD, autism spectrum) or other more biological issues, not personality disorder. I think he really had problems with realizing reality and fiction. For me it's much more complex, distorted psychic than BPD.
Indeed I agree..... childhood traumas abounded in Nikolas Cruz's early life! Repeated abandonment and attachment issues throughout! Abandoned by his biological mother; and his adoptive mother and her brother had themselves been abandoned by their biological mother, which would leave deep emotional 'attachment' scars on them...... Then, at aged 5 (or 6) it was Nikolas who found his adoptive father suddenly dead at 62 in his Study.......another 'abandonment' trauma for such a young child!
Thank you for your comment! I cant believe this guy gave him this diagnosis. And the comments on this video are like "hell he's borderline..." I think this guy was inaccurate in providing examples. I cant believe he said BPD for this guy..
@@kwassagirl5639yea, exactly.
When the defense found out about this Doctors testimony,they quit.
Abandoment issues and chronic feeling of emptiness; also come from being given up for adoption .
Has there been any testimony about brain damage due to birth mother's use of alcohol and drugs while pregnant with him?
Yup
He's definitely brain damaged..but loves to kill people and animals?? Attacking his Mom??? Death penalty! Guilty..Go away Cruz
Yes and, that's what makes this so disturbing the fact that so many knew about how disturbed N.C. was but nothing was done to help him as a child. This lead to a very messed up child who grew up and, turned into a killer.
But Fetal Alcohol does not excuse his actions.
@@charlottelovato5770 Sounds like there was an ARMY of professionals, school teachers and counselors, as well as law enforcent who tried their best to help, to no avail. I mean, practically every minute of his life is documented.
Later on in this doctor's testimony, he relates how, as a newborn, he did not have any symptom of Fetal Alcohol Syndrome. The mother had regular prenatal check-ups, prenatal care and random drug testing throughout her pregnancy. She didadmit that she continued to smoke cigarettes during the pregnancy.
So are the defense trying for an insanity plea?
He already plead guilty. They are having a jury decide if he gets death penalty or life in prison. The defense is trying to say please don't give him death because he has mental health issues that caused this tragedy.
I would think it would be weird if he didn't lie to try and get out of the death penalty by lying and exaggerating symptoms.
I think this must have rung true for the families. Clear and concise testimony instead of smoke and mirrors...
This man got me over here googling almost half his statement, all these big ass words..
I gotta force myself to pay attention rn
I thought he did a great job at explaining everything in laymen’s terms.
@@OrionGardening that means you are very intelligent. I know people who literally won’t understand anything he said..
It was creepy for me because I have been diagnosed with BPD and this guy described me to a tee.
@@ButtonsCasey well as long as you’re medicated, periodically being observed by a psychiatrist, and seeing a therapist you should be good. Also remember that just because you share a diagnosis with this guy doesn’t mean you’re in any way shape or form like this guy.
How is this still going on?
Oh now he's saying the guy's Borderline? Oh come on. He's a freaking sociopath.
@Edwin Thats what my mom has. And she almost ended my life. I was sick and had to be rescued. Its like its all an act to them, a play. Not real. Not with real consequences.
Hes a killer. Mental health categories are designed to help in treating patients. Thats the point of the DSM. Here they have to use it to help a jury decide his fate. It doesnt matter what he "is" so long as the jury can fully understand whether he was truly cognizant of his actions or not. Those were the key points. People dont realize what the DSM is for, and also what its not for, and that some things are irrelevant because thier understanding of each condition is constantly evolving.
Nah, psychopath
When do we get to sentencing?
This is literally it.
This professional gave such great examples and explanations that made it easy to follow which I appreciated
He acts normal sitting there expressionless. I bet he gets life.
You may be correct unfortunately
Same thought
I believe he’s getting the chair.
Sure hope so. The only thing about the death sentence in this state he could appeal it a dozen times it could be 20 to 25 even 30 years before they put them to sleep. Although if he gets life I hope they put him in general population so everybody else can check it out if you know what I mean
@@lukashood25 florida is a swing state in so many ways! i think the jury will punish him
BPD is the least of his problems.
When attention seeking goes too far 🤦🏼♀️
I remember watching that interrogation video but had no idea it was him.
For the love of god, why are we still here - sentence him for his actions not for his psychological state. Justice for the children …
They have to do so because of his "rights" I guess.
Go watch the JCS episode about him. It is interesting to see him trying to fake his psychotic symptoms during the interrogation. If the incident wasn’t so damn sad, his trying to fake being crazy would have been funny. I am just waiting on the day it is announced he’s been taken care of in prison. I really believe that will eventually happen.
We can only hope.
Dr......Incredibly good witness for the prosecution. Dr for the defense didn't video Cruz' interviews, not a good move.
I love this prosecutor
If the jury allows Nikolas Cruz to live, then I am going to nominate Ted Bundy to sainthood - He can be the saint of Serial Killers.
If he gets life he’ll probably self inflict his own death.
Well, this Evil Gremlin is a mass murderer, not a serial killer. Big difference.
He wants to be sentenced to death, he was too much of a coward to do it himself I guess.. since he wants death I think a better punishment is jail so he can suffer for the rest of his days.
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Just. Get. This. Over with!!!!!
This is America. They like the drama and the new age word salad, not to mention the suspense. If you prefer quicker Justice, go to Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia.
Apparently you know nothing of the legal system.
Ask me why this trial is even on still smh 🤦♂️
Because the defense is dragging it out. Also, it's important to do it right, so the defense can't get a mistrial and it'll have to do it all over again.
Bro, nobody showed this kid any love and now he’s a monster
Give this doctor a medal
HG Tudor's work on narcissism and psychopathy is a good source for understanding the psychology of people like Cruz.
how much longer can this go for? the parents must be so over listening to all these doctors. just sentence him already.
I agree, Cruz doesn't add anything significant to people..He's damaged in the brain, premeditated the murders with pride on his video? He doesn't need anymore evaluations or meds...he needs guilty, and death penalty..bye Cruz
You might want to consider moving to Afghanistan. They don't believe in any of this new age mumbo jumbo $hit.
I believe until October 10th
2:18 Hahah I recognize that educational rhetoric anywhere haha, I even use that with my patients sometimes. This guy is a great teacher, I would of loved to have him as a psychology professor, he's really good
How much money is the state of Florida going to waste with this penalty phase garbage?
Why is this still a discussion?
Why would you ever talk openly with a psychiatrist when you knew the discussion and it’s analysis would be public.
@@One--Up there are HIPPA laws making a conversation with a health professional under normal circumstances confidential.
how is the defendant gonna sit there and send messages back any forth to lawyers why dose he need that many lawyers anyway he thinks he can get a slap on the wirst
9:33 This is an important one.
I have bpd but got treated for 5 years, it was very hard work…but it turned out to be inactive because of the hard work I did. I am very chill now, I don’t like fighting, yelling & being angry…it’s weird…sometimes I’m so chill that if I am in a fight, the person will be frustrated that I don’t have enough of a reaction….I digress. Anyways I would never kill anyone…so please don’t think everyone with bpd is a horrible person.
We knew he was lying and pretending to be psychotic to create a base for defense from day 1. We appreciate the doctors & tests but it was obvious to us who have no psych degree.
Yea, but they had to cover their asses legally by doing this.
You’re either a sociopath or you’re not a sociopath, if you’re a sociopath, what level are you on, is the only question that needs to be asked, it’s that simple.
Also I love that Nikky used a Swazi on his boot but he would’ve been the first under the boot 80 years ago Lmao
It takes more than three days to figure out a patient's psychological condition. How convenient of him to diagnose malingering on him.
Waste time in justice ⚖️ fy those kind demons.
This is no borderline personality disorder, we're not killers
A male DR Curry, brilliant Doctors, chilling & looks like others got away with their lives. God bless the families
This guy is way too comfortable! It makes no sense! It’s like he’s at ease and nothing phases him.
He’s probably sedated
i don’t think he’s BPD
he isnt. I cant believe this guy said he was.
No, he thought she was his girlfriend
Get that right dummie
It's a li'l bit Old Testament, but I'd prefer victims' survivors do the executions in the manner in which he committed the murders. Those weren't cruel and unusual FOR HIM. He should appreciate the same treat.
The closest thing we got to the old Testament are the Middle Eastern Religions. Unfortunately Americans are soft and cannot stand watching someone get stoned to death.
Trauma does not heal by inducing more trauma. And when trauma unhealed goes unchecked.... people get twisted and sometimes become killers. The result of this trial should be education on how to prevent kids from turning into killers and how to allow families to heal following tradgedies. That would be most just. As for Cruz. He is already in hell.
Seems like most of our youth is borderline.
This expert claims that Nikolas didn't or at least he didn't think that Nikolas met the criteria for paranoid stressful ideation. However, Nikolas claiming that marijuana made his mental symptoms worse could indicate extensive paranoia, because when your extremely insecure or even paranoid about.. such as the reprecussion of a consequence that occurred in the past or potentially upcoming, the influence of THC can make such mental anguish even worse. There was an improper choice of words from this expert in claiming that he "certainly felt" that Nikolas was malingering.. being that you can't feel absolutely certain about something bssed on a feeling, as that itself is only an indication of some sort, a hunch, a gut feeling, etc. It also seemingly looks more credible when a speaker doesn't ask themselves a question before answering it themself as it puts them more on the level of the audience, not assuming off hand that the audience wouldn't be capable of concluding what he did. And it also would've made a bigger impact if this expert would've jumped right into explaining why he felt Nikolas was malingering (either immediately after making such a claim or right after that... appears to be a more passionate statement) rather than carry on outside of such an explanation, before the prosecution eventaully exclusively asked him why in so many words.
Actually... this expert didn't just bluntly say that he "felt" that Nick was malingering... my mistake. Cut short... he said that there were certainly times when he felt Nick was reporting A-typical symptoms of which weren't associated with his history... However, if this expert didn't feel confident enough to just bluntly say that Nick's claims WERE A-typical (defiantly fact-based from a practical standpoint) and not supported by evidence, then he still technically can't use the term "felt" on a basis of certainty. Although... now this of course sounds like quite a minor error on the surface, however... if the expert's goal was to make a good impression on the prosecution (for the sake of what he thinks the jury's interpretation should be), then his choice of words could've been something of a strategy (at least subconciously) to present reassurance where there wasn't a defiant means to do so. That said, the expert's only other options were to say such as that there "certainly were times when he felt that Nick COULD'VE been reporting A-typical symptoms.... " While it actually would seem most appropriate to replace the words "certainly" and "could've" with just simply mentioning that Nick "seemed" or "appeared" to report A-typical symptoms. Regardless though, any of those three options wouldn't sound as overall decisive as the expert saying that there were "certainly times when he felt that Nick was reporting..." being that the word "certainly" used prior to the expert's descriptive means (how they personally felt about Nick's credibility), appears to mask the word "feel" as a decisively answered one, when it's not. Everything taken together, it would've been preferable for the expert to either provide an entirely blunt, fact-based answer or one that was based on a speculated indication... as opposed to a mid-between. Anyways... it would also be preferable for me to try to make sure to listen more carefully next time. Indeed.
This expert claiming that there was "robust" evidence of malingering with one example being in the structured interview.that Nick was given by this individual. The expert claimed that there was about every OCD example in a typical person's lifestyle that you could think of and that Nick claimed many of them, yet this wasn't supported by the history. It would've been preferable to hear at least one example (also there being no paper record, just a verbal discussion with just this expert as the only link to the proposed evidence) since Nick is alleged to have claimed so many OCD "tendencies" and the evidence against him is to the extent of robust, then it seems appropriate to give the jury a more in depth understanding. For example, if Nick claimed that he is OCD about getting around slow drivers, yet he doesn't have any speeding tickets... or whatever and all. This expert's opening word to the topic of malingering was "yeah" while yes sounds distinctly more professional.
This expertmentioned himself as being personally involved with Nick for 21 hours and was able to see both how Nick presented himself in contrast to his answers on the trauma symptom inventory tests. The expert then went on about how another test is the best one that he knows as best recalled... for detecting lies and indicated that Nick was deceitful. However, if he's going as far as even mentioning that HE the expert had witnessed extensive presentation of Nick in the midst of all this, then it seems that he was trying to give the impression that even Nick's behavior itself was suspicious in some way(s), yet no answers based on personal observation were mentioned. It at least sounds like he was trying to give the impression that Nick's behavior indicated deceit based on personal presentation alone, but in the event that it didn't, then there was no real reason for the expert to mention his 21 hours of personal time with Nick in contrast to the scored results. It's a wonder if the expert was trying to slip in suspicion of Nick's behavior too easily to the jury, without having to specifically verify.
Although Nick did first mention the Swasika being interpreted as a peace symbol by the native Americans, he probably first mentioned that because it was the less likely of the two usages, that the expert would've been aware of. Granted, this Nazi symbol is offensive enough that a person SHOULD first acknowledge it as something of negatively offensive, but Nick already did that in a previous statement. Prior to that, when asked what kind of attention did he receive or try to get with the Swastika symbol personally labeling his beliefs, he said it could be perceived as negative or positive, but he mentioned negative first, even despite people typically mentioning "positive or negative" when this phrase is referred to on most or practically all occasions. Nick probably said it the uncommon way in reverse ("negative or positive") because he wanted to prioritize acknowledging the Swastika as offensive, but since he got that part established already, then Nick should not be accused of "malingering well." However, he was distinctly well spoken and didn't seem to have to grasp far for answers, while also displaying humbleness by labeling himself an attention seeker in this matter of Swastika labeling.
Tl:dr
If you have a cough you can’t be in the gallery lol
4 years now...
Covid basically shut things down for 2. So, keep that in mind, as to why it's been so long