Ooooooo !!!! I had something similar happen like 2 years ago. My job snaked me and fired me in a super shady way. My manager and district manager tried to play friendly in my face and i looked at them and told them what goes around comes around. Be careful of how you treat people. It always comes back to you. They looked at me like “ooooo okaaaayyyy” like I was crazy…. 😂 i can’t make this up….about maybe a month or so later….the whole office was fired. The company I worked for lost the contract out of nowhere lmao I gave the warning they didn’t listen. When you move shady it will always come back to you. Reaping and sowing.
I had a very similar experience. I was let go in the most brutal way by an absolutely abusive HR guy. About 3 months later he fabricated a reason to call me. He was crawling and clearly trying to figure something out. A week later I heard he was screaming at the top of his lungs and was practically dragged out of the building by security, as he was fired for really serious sexual harassment of a direct report, that had been going on for years. She had receipts and they had to pay her a lot of money. Karma
So true. I was being set up by narcissist boss who thought he was a genius and could do everything perfect. He was manipulative and emotionally draining. I had money saved up and one morning I decided to email my resignation. No unemployment check was worth the abuse.
I once went to a seminar for business startups. The presenter had a great line that I remember to this day. He said: "It is a race between you and your employer to determine who says goodbye first". I took it to heart and always made sure I had other options
Why isn’t this true to me. 2 years ago as a fresh medical health professional, I joined a role that provided home infusion for people to be infuse at home. Lots of these medications in normal clinical circumstances need close monitoring cause they can damage kidneys heart and cause harm. But the place I work for have no policy in place to help coach the process. Also no clinical background supporting home infusion practice. So a lot of people went home on iv and weeks later come back with a clogged kidney barely working. IMO I want to help people not cause them more problems. So I ask for policy and guidelines to help me practice safe for people but got 0. Then eventually the boss started hating me because they just want me to do the job but I question their practice too much. So she basically wrote me up for not performing well and took me down to HR. The HR was siding with the boss whole time until I mention that they fail to provide me policy and guidelines supporting the work I do and hinders me from performing my best and safest. The hospital HR realize that, if I report that information the board would slam the department hard so instead of firing me right there and then, they just gave me a verbal warning. Well eventually I quit a week after. So yes it is a race to see who quits first.
I just did that. Made sure I walked out on their shortest staffed day, too. I have quite a few friends in the clinic too who knew what I was planning. They kept me in the loop of the crapshow it resulted in 😂 It’s too long a story to explain here but let’s just say it was revenge that was so so sweet. The best revenge is a well lived life…. AND sticking it to them.
I’m waiting to see if that happens to me. I was a great employee of a school and a narc manager sought to have me fired because I stole their thunder. I violated the first law of the 48 laws of power. However it was worth it and I don’t regret it one bit. I opted for reversal of the law because this manager isn’t worth two dead flies smashed and I wasn’t gonna squander my potential to make them seem great. If that offer comes my way, I’ll play blind, deaf, and dumb!
You can’t expect ANY person to honor you all the time, but you must put yourself first & repect yourself at all times. Boss or not. Violating your non-negotiables vexes your soul.
@@FrankBevins-kh7mq why not? Just make it worth your while. A (re-)signing bonus and severance package (in case they do it again) would be starting points for the contract negotiation.
4 Signs You're Getting Fired: 1. The executives didn't get the stock price up enough for the investors so they've go to reduce expenses. 2. Your boss didn't meet his goals - so you go under the bus. 3. The boss's nephew needs a job 4. It's cheaper to do business in China and Mexico
We had an HR lady that people in her own department privately called her The Terminator. You can imagine why! This is a state agency and they can and do terminate employees for performance reasons as well as standards of conduct reasons.
I have learned not to be loyal to the company you work for. They wont be loyal to you. They dont have to give you a two week notice if they fire you. When i quit a job i give them a "to day notice" im quitting to day.
Right to Work states allow both parties to end the employment at will. They won't give you notice, so you don't owe them notice, either. If they try to guilt you into it, just state that they didn't give you notice when they cut your hours back, so you didn't think you had to give them notice, either.
I wish I had done that but my new employer is in the same building and works with my previous employer. New employer asked ME to give previous employer two weeks notice. Ended up giving three weeks notice instead. Longest three weeks of my life.
I agree 100%. It was very freeing when I finally realized that my employer would slit my throat if it served their bottom line. They were not loyal to me so why should I be loyal to them?
My gut is telling me the last few days/ I’ve just had a bad feeling. I’ve just noticed they hired someone new and I feel like she’s getting all my work even though her job title is different . And it’s just been really quiet all week in my inbox . I feel like I’m being put on the back burner
Here are the signs - Shift in attitude, change in communication style, change in assignments, job duties. - Write-ups and reprimands will create paper trail (Lateness, insubordination, performance issues . - Performance review will contain negative feed back including factors that will fit their narrative. - PIP - Performance Improvement Plan, will include a "goal" to meet, but can't be meet (subjective goals). ** My personal favorite - Your Gut! Always believe your instincts.
@@babblesp1367 Because business are. They are in it for profit and not get sued or canceled. It took me a long time to learn this, but when you go to an interview, do ask questions. It is a two way street. They are interviewing you, just like you are interviewing them. I once cut someone off in the middle of the interview and told them , TY but I am not what you're looking for. Good luck to you. I saved myself the headache and aggravation of having to try to convince someone I was a good candidate, when clearly he just wanted to keep enforcing how right and "Great" he was.
This happened to me! After more than 20 years of working for a large, well-known nonprofit, I was suddenly deemed “incompetent” to perform my job. Management then declared that I would need to be completely re-trained as though I was a brand-new employee. They even changed my job title to “[Company Name] Trainee.” Clearly, they thought that that I was no longer useful to the company (and quite possibly, too expensive, as I was one of the highest-paid workers in my department, owing to my seniority), so they were basically forcing me out the door. I guess they figured they’d save a lot of money by getting rid of me this way instead of directly firing me and thus having to pay severance and unemployment. And their strategy worked: After about 6-8 weeks of this misery and humiliation, I had had enough and emailed my resignation to the relevant people. I just couldn’t take it anymore, as I felt that I was in a living nightmare. The day after I resigned, I started getting DM’s and texts from some of my work friends. They told me that they-and everyone else at the company-had received an email stating that I was “no longer employed by [Company Name].” So the company clearly wanted people to think that I had been fired. Typical. I’ve never regretted leaving, as this workplace had, over time, gradually become a miserable and toxic environment. And it has only become worse since I left, from everything I’ve heard. But I AM bitter about the fact that I put in so many years of my life into working there, and yet will not be able to claim my full pension and retirement benefits. Even so, my life has improved significantly in the eight years since leaving that company. I now do work that I enjoy, and (significantly!) I don’t wake up every morning dreading the day ahead of me, as had been the case at the nonprofit. So I definitely made the right decision all those years ago.
You hit the nail on the head. The real clear 2 are changing job responsibilities, going backwards in responsibilities; the other is a clear change in their attitudes towards you especially if you been there a number of years. When this stuff starts to happen you really don't believe it, yet you've seen them do this to others.
There is something called quiet promotion that they can do as well. They move you into more responsible duties formerly done by higher-paid staff that left/were fired, while cutting your pay! They hope you will quit.
More signs: (1) Employer will hire your replacement (or a contractor) that you need to train.... or they'll move an existing employee to work with you on tasks you normally perform. They do this under the guise of giving you a helper that reports to you. (2) One of your co-workers accidentally becomes aware of your pending doom, and tells you about it (because they are more loyal to you than the management or HR team) (3) Your company is already laying off or firing other coworkers in bulk for "non-reasons". (4) Your company just merged or was bought by another company. (lay offs coming) (5) Your manager starts addressing you in more formal language (using the moniker Mr. and Mrs. + your last name). No more nick names used, no more joking around, or no more slang or potentially offensive words used. (6) They start asking you to create far more and extra detailed documentation of all of your tasks and responsibilities.
I worked in large company for 2 years, I was good at my job. Then they hire some guy and said to me to train him. And after some time they forced me to leave. 😢 Never saw that coming, but now I understand.
I have seen number 1 & 4 happen together. A company I worked for was merged with a larger company doing the same work. Our managers were all tasked with allowing the merging companies managers to shadow their work whilst being promised their jobs were safe. That turned out to be BS!
Unless I’m reading the ‘tea leaves’ incorrectly, I’m going through this right now. My original employer (a health insurance field marketing organization, or ‘FMO’ for short) got ‘acquired’ (read: BOUGHT OUT) by a much larger FMO based out of Dallas, TX back on 1.28.20, just barely a month or so before everything went on lockdown due to the COVID pandemic. As we began working under this new arrangement whilst working from home, our braintrust of a CEO told us during a series of ridiculous ‘Inspire Podcasts’ that we all would be eligible to participate in the company’s employee ownership program and that our units (*not shares per se, but ‘units’) would typically vest in 5 years, and that some employees under previous acquisitions had “received checks as big as $15,000 to $20,000.” Fast forward 4.5 years, and just as I’m about to vest, I get pulled into a 1:1 meeting with my immediate supervisor whom proceeds to softly read me the dreaded riot act about allegedly “violating company policy” by saving ready to sell reports to incorrect folders, when the reality was that I did this accidentally and with no negligence or harm intended. During this same meeting, she then informs me that our previously monthly 1:1 meetings will now be weekly and I will be receiving a PDF of the write-ups imminently via Workday. Just for further background about why this seems a wee bit shady: a couple of weeks ago, one of my most-trusted, long-time colleagues intimated to me that 2 of our marketers had been fired for allegedly making ‘fake’ phone calls so as to meet their ridiculously impossible call volume quotas, while another marketer whom was even longer-tenured than we were was fired inexplicably, this barely a month after having become a first-time homeowner. Just unbelieveable. Since the proverbial writing is on the wall, I’ve begun my new job search and I’m getting my ‘ducks in a row’ accordingly while I’m waiting for the proverbial other shoe to fall. Make no mistake: getting fired sucks, but at the same time, it can actually be a blessing in disguise, especially if you find yourself toiling in a professional environment as toxic as the one I’m in now. Wish me luck!
# 5 is a HUGE one. If you start seeing a significant change in behavior from the manager and certain other people where you can feel something is wrong, start looking for another job immediately.
I've been on my job almost 13 years & never had a bad review, write up or anything! This year i struggled with a new project, got put on a PIP & ended up quitting because I knew I couldn't get off the PIP. Im 51, have mo job lined up but have an interview tomorrow for a job making $85k. I was making $135k. I have some savings & i can live off $85k until I find better, but I'm PRAYING this works out🙏🏽🙏🏽
Add a fifth thing is they hire some dumbell and expect you to train them when they are downsizing and after you do this,you arrive at work Monday morning,and security escorts you out the door!!
And this is why I always leave out crucial details or facts when training new people. if the company cans me well sorry but your new chew tow doesn't know how to squeak.
This is happening to me now. I’ve noticed my supervisor and manager don’t really speak to me or meet with me when they have meetings with everyone else. I hear changes at work from other workers and not my supervisor and my opinion or advice isn’t taken. I also just got asked if I need training on my tasks despite having been doing these for a year now. I’ve also seen my schedule is changed to an unfavorable one, almost like I’m being isolated or singled out. I’m so bummed out because I actually like this job so much. And I get paid a decent wage. I’m on the verge of tears
I'm not crying for no hostile work environment and equally terrible bosses and management for sure but it does suck when you actually like the job amongst other things. But the narcissists make it so difficult its definitely not worth crying over. Stay strong and you're not alone.
Same. Since day 1 my boss is always riding my coattails and others are praised. I dont get communication on changes or myself. Ibsee everyone else getting the slice ofnthe pie and i get a whip cream one to the face!
I encountered most of these at my last job after a management change. Got on great with the old boss, but when he left the new boss and I immediately got off on the wrong foot and it snowballed from there until I ended up leaving of my own accord. I could have stayed and fought the situation but it didn't feel worth it; it's amazing how one person in power that doesn't like you can make a job you used to love become something you dread.
Another sign is they posted your job on Indeed or Craig’s List. Years ago, a company I worked for, wanted to fire a manager and posted the job online. They posted it as “company confidential”. The manager saw this ad and some of the verbiage sounded similar. She had a friend apply for the position and the friend confirmed what she had dreaded. She found another job before she could be fired. As her boss, I wasn’t mad at her. She did what she had to do. For the record, I didn’t think she was a bad employee and was strongly against the decision to fire her. Sadly, I was overruled
If you suddenly find your co-workers avoiding you or acting nervous and stand-offish toward you, your about to be let go. The company grapevine is always dialed in and shockingly well informed.
In 15 years of experience in six companies, I can say that this video is absolutely true. In a nutshell, performance reviews and PIPs are random nonsense. I used to anguish about performance reviews and "feedback", but now I don't pay much attention to any of that unless it's to my genuine benefit.
I live in Kentucky USA and I worked for a security company twice, I called it twice by gut that I was getting ready to be laid off. This company only told us two weeks before hand. Once I sensed it, I contacted the new company and they hired me right on. I WILL never go back to the former company I worked for. I have my basic computer repair certification.
This is why you always have to be looking. You are selling your labor and skills and you need to have options if you want to avoid getting blindsided by your main employer. Keep your eyes and ears open. Pretend you are your own small business that needs more than one customer.
The reason, in case you don't know, is because you had a backstabbing boss who was bad-mouthing you behind your back. This is always the case if management starts treating you badly. More than likely your boss is jealous of you or your work, and is also taking credit for the good things you do. You are a threat to her, she knows it, and will make you look bad so that she can get rid of the threat.
Well said. I was just teaching my son today that the most powerful person in contract negotiation is the one who is the least needy. I told him this applies to just about anything in life.
I often found that another sign that an employer is planning to fire you or at least trying to make you quit is giving you fewer hours and just reducing your hours until it gets to the point where the hours you work are really pathetically low
-End of year 2021 review: some issues, but making some steps in the right direction, set some targets. -Get new manager in April -All year, pushed harder than ever, doing tasks for the first time, develop new skills, am a better engineer at the end of 2022 than I was at end of 2021. -End of year 2022 review: given a worse score than previous, and am put on a PIP No real secret there. Thankfully, I was able to find another position by the end of the PIP, and left on my own terms.
I’ve been on both sides of this. Good video. I won a settlement by recognizing this early and documenting what was really happening compared to what they said was happening. This made it easier to get a lawyer even before they escorted me out. Once the lawsuit was filed we got management’s emails. Pure gold mine. They settled.
All true. They will also have made a note of anytime you were caught doing non-work-related tasks, surfing the web, etc., and they won’t say anything about it unless they decide to fire you. Even if you were just doing what everyone does. If you stop to talk to a colleague for a minute and they notice it, they may also say that you were preventing people from doing their work. These things happened to me. Looking forward to a week of company holidays at the end of the year? Don’t be surprised if you get a call after you get home from the Christmas party on the last Friday before vacation saying you’ve been let go and NO, you will not be allowed to come back to pick up your things. They will send whatever belongs to you by mail, minus your snacks and whatever they deem not important, at a later date. Just realize that you’re not indispensable-everyone can be replaced. And you WILL be replaced whenever it suits them. Also, coworkers are not your friends. After that nonsense, I now work for myself and intend never to work for anyone but myself again. Companies suck, and I will never be loyal to another one that isn’t my own again. 😂
As a manager this is the usual corporate thing. I won two performere awards delivered by the company but got a negative evaluation anyway. I then got into an Executive education program at an Ivy League school and got a PIP that said I wasnt interested in improving myself. I then left the firm and both senior managers eventually got termed
PIP is is a clear red flag that one is about to be separated from organization! I was a victim of PIP! I was given target, impossible to accomplish while being under PIP! This manager took me to a room, explained me how PIP works, says "PIP is just a formality" and I was very dumb to believe him! He clearly had issues with me, I was a "Black Sheep" and a "No employee" he took this to his ego and did almost everything to get rid of me, when he couldn't find a reason to terminate me, he issued PIP. And since these impossible targets were not achieved during PIP, I gave these cowards a reason to get rid of me, there you have it, for months it was next to impossible to get rid of me and within few days he was successful in his dirty tactics! Threatened me by saying that either I resign or be ready to get fired! In India, our government doesn't cares, there are no labour laws to protect us, hence I would say PIP is a mere hoax to get rid of employees who say "No" refuse to be a Yes Employee! I was indeed a victim of dirty politics and PIP was used to get rid of me because they couldn't find a reason other than that!
It’s not even a red flag - it’s a transparent and obvious indication that management thinks it’s not working out. If you’re getting to the point of getting a PIP, it’s probably already too late.
My ex boss suffers a heart attack after putting me on PIP, and his boss got fire because he had issue with another big boss, I get to keep my job after all these dramas. Beleives in Karmas.
I only wish I saw this video 3 months ago. I experienced all these 4 signs and even until the very last stage (PIP) I truly believed it was for me to improve my performance. I got traumatized after I resigned and had to take two months off to heal myself😢
I’ve noticed how differently my boss and coworkers treat me. A while ago my boss told me to stop doing everything and she took most of my responsibilities away then gave them to herself and my coworkers. Today one of my coworkers just referred to my position as though I wasn’t there. The whole environment is like a shitty high school or trashy girls night out. My boss and coworkers all talk about gross s3xual things they want to do to fictional characters among other inappropriate topics. There’s a time and place for that and it’s not at work in front of customers. I have almost nothing to do during the day and no one speaks to me. I’ve decided to use the time to build myself up and move on. I’m jumping ship while I can.
Definitely get out fast. I had a program manager make a sexual inappropriate comment towards me in front of ten people (customers include). He realized it later and my immediate supervisor stopped giving me work. I ran
@@ultraclunt9667The only time they want you to do the two weeks is when they're already a bad company, and everyone already knows it, and they know they will have a hard time getting anyone to take your job in the two weeks. Either your shift was bad, your days off were bad, or you did all the s*** work and they knew it. If the manager is a bad manager and is talked down by everyone in the company, or it has a high school mentality with a whole bunch of bratty mean girls, they know it will be hard to replace you. The word has already gotten out that it's a bad place to work.
I left a job when the energy shift stage occurred. I will own the mistakes I made at that job, but my replacement lasted less than three months and his replacement maybe less than a year. It was obvious my former boss truly didn’t care about the quality of the program- which fell apart without me. Her problem with me was personal.
Performance reviews don't tell the story. It's when you stop getting feedback altogether, when you notice managers and coworkers (who usually know before you do) are speaking to you less and less, but are conspicuously cordial when they do, that your days with the company are most likely numbered.
Worked for a large bank and I was placed on a 12 month probation to improve. My job was "at will". They never said anything else. Not a single word. At month 11 I was fired. It was a shocking and atrocious surprise. Never take your job for granted.The most important thing is how we chose to react. It can be negative or positive.
Unless you're in Vegas and your job is fast food and you just started. These people fire you for being late once since there is a 90 day probation period and then you need 6 months there to even be eligible for unemployment at all. So basically they take you off the schedule right before the third or sixth month and there is nothing you can do, you're basically just fired at that point. If you live in Vegas and you are ever removed from the schedule without notice, just start looking for a new job right then and there, don't wait for a talk, don't wait for a phone call, an email, a meeting, just start looking for a new job.
These are Soo true. The company I just got fired from definitely changed how they communicate with me. They got really silent. They use to asked how my pregnancy was going but then they just stopped. They never presented writes or anything written how my work performance just said it is poor right before I was set to go on my maturity leave. These companies, well the people running then are trash.
The thing about this circumstance is that they won't fire her. They'll just make a lot of changes while she's on maternity leave that she won't like or that will disorient her upon her return. If she doesn't leave on her own out of frustration, they'll find a way to target her for her inability to adjust to the changes they've made. IF she is truly feeling targeted already, the best use of the end of her maternity leave would be to find another job or, at the very least, prepare herself to be let go when she returns.
I saw the writing on the wall weeks in advance. Took a 45 day vacation applied and started a new job on vacation while getting PTO. Took 2 weeks sick with doctor note. Resigned after that.
Had a manager meet with me every 2 weeks to discuss my goals for the year and talk about upcoming projects. Every meeting was a positive result and made me feel good about working. then, my mid-year review came back and he said i had poor performance and I wouldn't be getting my bonus , without any warning... I quit that job within 2 weeks and found one offering 25% more salary. Never settle for a job that lies to your face and disrespects you!
Yep, had a great End-year review (where the manager said I was an example to other PM's), 2 months later I am underperforming (PIP). Manager became extremely toxic.
@@katiavoznaya2395 You wonder why a manager goes from liking you to dissing in two months. Very strange. A toxic boss will never give you a good review.
Sign docs "under protest" and immediately write a rebuttal and obtain a receipt! Send ALL emails you can to your personal email address and attorney if one exists! Do NOT trust anyone but go there and do your job and look for another while still there.
Changes in job duties is a big one in retail. Also, for store managers, corporate executives that were once super cool with you will distance themselves without notice. Before I transferred to a different store in another district, I saw an exec completely distance himself from our store manager. He sent word with the DM that he wasn’t coming to visit as opposed to calling her directly. Three weeks after I transferred the store was abruptly shut down and everyone left was laid off. I’m glad I got out when I did!
I was put on a 6 week PIP last year in January. They listed all my mistakes which majority of them were petty, and 2 were blatantly discriminatory and grounds for lawsuit. The worst part was we had a 1 month layoff for winter break and they pulled me aside 1 week after we came back from break. If they didn't want me there, they should have told me my job was done when we wrapped up for Christmas. It was a boat yard that services and sell boats. Now I'm now at a much better boat yard and I've been there for a year and i get along with everyone.
My ex-boss put me on PIP and then he drop dead of a heart attack in the office one week after, My company never mess around with me anymore after that. Its a true story.
@@sukjinaigoo716 no one put on a personal improvement Plan is intended to remain with the company. Personal improvement plans are just insurance from litigation. They have no intention of trying to improve you or allowing you off of that plan.
I agree with all of these things, but there's a few that I want to add that I've experienced in more than one company. 1.). If upper management changes beware within a year layoffs will happen. 2.) Your immediate supervisor quits. 3.) There are coworkers in the same department as you who see each other outside of work, but never include you. 4.) You're asked to keep track of your work and how much you do. 5.) You have a boss who belittles your work. For example, "Oh I can train the girl who will help you. It's easy."
if you want to fire your employee at least be a man about it, take responsibility. and tell the truth! don't fire the person and let him/her think that something is wrong with them and they are not good enough.
So if all this paperwork is in place and it's a known fact that it's there to serve the purpose of firing a good employee who has been marked as a bad employee. Why haven't the courts done anything about it in being fair to employees? The write and reprimands coming out of the blue is happening to me and not only has it created a mental health issue for my self but the confidence in my work has decreased to because the anxiety of misspelling a wrong word could cause the whole world to come crashing down at my work.
Exactly! They will keep on the rogue employees....because...the rogue employees...will file lawsuits....where as...the politically correct employee....most likely will not. WE NEED LAWS!!!
There are no laws that can rectify right to work states. These tactics are all used by everyone in order to avoid having go to court and do settlements, or get out of paying unemployment benefits. You only have a chance if you work in a company that is part of a labor union. Then you have an intermediary and someone who will actually fight for you. If they determine you are actually abusing the job in some way, they won't back you.
I work really hard and get positive comments from customers yet I get negative unsatisfactory reviews. Leadership doesn't respond to my questions as well as others. Almost as if I'm left to dust. Just one or two more signs and I'm quitting. The toxicity is not worth it.
Best thing to do is to get fired once you have the next job lined up. Collect unemployment for 2-3 weeks. That makes the company have to pay more in unemployment taxes.
Manager asking you to give full share of your calendar & future scheduled Teams meetings with clients. Being under investigation over & over, as they looked to find reasons to fire you.
I had some definite performance issues regarding missing deadlines, not returning calls, etc. I had a talk with my manager and they put me on a "coaching plan." I immediately turned it around and my manager would tell me he saw a great improvement and i figured i was out of the woods. Then i got assigned a new manager and she immediately brought up my past deficiencies... Mind you, my meeting with my manager was in march, this was now august. I should have asked for a timeline but im betting they didn't do one on purpose. Then i had a couple of mistakes and they brought up all the stuff i had done prior to march. Didnt matter how much i improved. They then later started examining my files looking for authority violations. When they gave me a list of accounts, i had management approval for everything. They went quiet on me and then out of the blue, put me on a PIP. It was then that i knew i had no chance of staying on, so i quit. Best thing i ever did.
Haven’t watched yet, but my number 1 is if the boss asks you to document how you do your job, assuming you’re useful. They are going to fire you, they just want everything you know first.
If I didn't know better, I would swear you worked in the same company I did from 1999 - 2005 :) The process you described was like a blueprint for how they acted, and before I was one of the people terminated, I would morbidly joke w/ my work buds that, "We must be living in an 80s slasher film. One by one, they're 'slashing' us all!"
I'm 66, and am going to have to continue pushing my boulder into my 70s. Years ago, as a much younger man, I was placed on a PIP. That's shaking your death rattle. In retrospect, I'd just asked them to terminate me then and there, and filed for UI. I suppose they could fight one's UI, but in my case, there was no gross misconduct that could've been proven.
So either learn to play the game and blend in until you get where you need to be (or as far as you’re able to make it), or start your own business and stop working for dirty corporate politics. Those are really the only two options
A high level manager in my family informed me that another way organizations fire employees is by giving certain employees a ‘meeting expectations’ review. I then asked him “ why is it so popular for organizations to do this, it seems as if managers are told not to give employees an ‘exceeding expectations’ review.” He stated “ you’re correct, in fact, before we begin the reviewing process, we’ll meet with upper management to discuss our reviews prior to announcing them. When I’ve tried in the past to give them, the panel would’ve asked, “what has this employee done?” Then they’ll say “ well, that doesn’t sound like a meeting expectations to us.” He went on to explain that one employee even screamed “ what do I have to do to get an ‘exceeding expectations’ review because that’s money I’m not getting on my raise, and I’m trying extremely hard to meet that standard?” This creates friction and is often used as a way to fire employees through PIP’s or some employees just quit which is what the company wanted in the beginning.
I kind of understand where you’re coming from. When work thinks it’s got you by the scruff of the neck they make life hard for you and any valid complaints you have are blithely waved away. The day I paid my house off was the day I went to yet another interminable meeting called by management to rubber stamp a decision made by management but pretending it was our decision. I got cheeky. I moved that we either vote A to accept it or B to accept it and then recommended B to make it look like we had thought about it. The normal placid staff got the joke straightaway and duly voted B to accept the proposal, with instructions to convey to management our reasoning. I was never promoted but I did have a win. It was the last time management pulled a stunt like this.
I got fired one time like in 2018. I was a store clerk everyone liked me i think the store manager got jealous, called me in the office one day and said "money came up missing" of course I knew i had never stolen 1red cent. Everyone knew if money was missing it was the chick who rarely came to work and had a drug addiction. Anyway the assistant manager told me it was BS and I should get a lawyer.... Long story short I called a lawyer he told me Texas was an "at Will" State and it wouldn't be worth even fighting the Case. Weeks later the assistant manager called me and told me the Guy realized he'd made a mistake and it wasn't me it was the addict. SMH Life 🤷🏾♂️
Especially if they start joking about how "forgetful" you have become. If it becomes a running joke about your competence, it means it's being discussed when you're not around.
Great video, and spot on, thanks !! What I would add in communications change, is that there could also be some sudden unexplained (feigned) kindness, niceness etc. from management, where you think things are going to better or becoming better after all, and you're in luck. In actual fact it's just a front to deliver the final blow or an advance self-absolvation for the bad act about to come ..
@@GainsGoblin Sure. It’s when managers are suddenly kinder / nicer to staff, after previously having been on the abusive side, and when there’s no rational/obvious reason for the change. It can just be things like saying hello, or asking how you’re doing, or talking about vacation / weather etc., when this was previously hardly the case (it may not be about praising your work, as this could be used against the employer if suing it for wrongful termination). It’s to get you ready for slaughter, also maybe to lead you to take down your guard, possibly even entice you to say something casual, unfavorable to you, so that the subsequent strike may thought to be easier or easier embedded/supported. It’s the cloak in the dagger, poison in the sweet, friendly invitation before being clobbered, praise before a dig at someone. Or also instituting a Performance Improvement Plan, and saying it’s for your good, a chance to improve or prove yourself and clear up any misperception, or just a formality etc. Or a detective, who just wants to talk to you for a couple minutes / hear your side, while actually being totally intent on indicting you, and just seeking any additional information he/she can get to beef up his/her case. A lesser form but the same mechanism is where managers / co-workers are sweet-talking you, charming you, followed by “oh Mr./Mrs” (or whatever), by the way could you please (just) do this/that or check this/that. It may just be a basic psychological trait of people, rather than a particular strategy. It’s the same as in , when viewing an apartment for rent/sale, and you’re not intending to take it, you start saying a few niceties, usually more towards the end of the apartment tour, like nicely renovated, nice view, just to make your extraction from it easier and lessen the disappointment of the landlord/owner. Same in job interviews - when there’s all sorts of side niceties at the end, talking about current sports or whatever, it can be a clear indicator that you’re not getting the job, or that you’re not inclined, and setting the ground for a softer way out. If the employer is serious about you or vice-versa, it/you will act serious and inform you/it properly, and not spend time or give things away with over the top niceties. Both sides mean business, and not small talk. And if you’re planning on getting a divorce, you might feel inclined to still go for that final romantic twosome dinner etc. before breaking the harsh news to your (soon ex) best half. Not sure if these examples are helpful, but I can try to think of more.
@@multijanni100 Very insightful! You actually went above and beyond. I have to say however that I have not experienced this before. Though I've only been fired twice. Both times it was quite obvious I was being fired. It's funny actually I watched this video yesterday and I got fired today. Anyways, I am ranting now. Thank you for giving me more context! I'll look for these signs in the future, maybe I missed those!
@@pauljansen6650If you are bad at your job, you will probably know it, and will quit yourself. If they like you and think you are trainable, they will coach you into being a better employee. If they don't like you, or your boss is threatened by you because you are actually better than she is, they will start making a case against you with all of the methods in this comment section.
Had all these tricks pulled on me. The bastards had to hire three inexperienced people to handle my former workload. I was better off in the long run. Screw them.
Me too. Worked for a small company who's owner thought he ran a Fortune 500 facility. They moved me out of my office, put me in the middle of an hourly work area with no telephone. Pulled all that other stuff and then let me go at the end of the work day. Went to work for an engineering contractor. Worked seven more years and retired. Never looked back.
Part of this club, bastards thought the company could replace me with 3 rookies under my "training." Long story short; these newcomers became my extended arms, and I knew they simply couldn't perform my tasks efficiently. Regional showed up one day talking to me about the company's changes and how they couldn't afford me unless I switched to part time. 😂. I simply left that job and took an offer from a competitor company that wanted me on board for a while. These clowns made contact last week asking me to go back for the same money. Saying not interested with a simple "sorry, mi no habla Inglés" was quite satisfying, to be honest.
I left a job after 12+ years. One of my replacements said that they had to get two people to do my job. I had to do a mail run as well & the stops they made were reduced. That let me know that I was doing too much. My peace of mind was at stake.
I'm on my way out by the end of August, maybe just a few days prior. I've had all of these signs with my current employer. I'm so close to cussing my manager out and will have burned my bridges with her and this company when it is all said and done! I have a PIP, one written warning, one written counseling, and she is threatening me with a second written warning. I get in trouble every two weeks for something. I've had this job which I hate in Health Informatics where I am a poor culture fit for two years. I'm making a career change back to education which was what I was doing before this job.
Don't get mad. Walk. You may not be a good fit for this job or the boss is simply an a-hole. It doesn't matter. You are not working out. Don't get mad. Get great job skills that can be used in any company, and WALK. You are not married to this job, you did not swear an oath of "till death do us part". I have been fired from jobs and I have quit quite a few. I am self-employed now. I serious doubt I could go back to working for someone else.
Good luck brother. I recently suffered through the same thing. I was at this job for 2.5 years (Health based IT) and left there in June under my own volition. I hated every minute of it, the leadership was terrible and the employees on my team were very stand offish. The experience was so bad for me that I haven't decided if I even want to go back into IT as a profession. Sadly, that is all I have done for the last 15+ years. Maybe I will just start working for UberEats or something.
Experienced all of these things and didn't really realize it as it was happening. I was a hard worker; I showed up early every day and stayed late every day. I knew how to efficiently and effectively do everything in my department, and yet they were promoting people who had been there for less than a year... That should have been my first sign that it was time to start looking elsewhere. Eventually they started setting me up in failing situations. Why do people do this? What do they get out of it?
It's better for them to create reasons they fire you to prevent lawsuits which would cost them more. If they're really risk averse, they pay you to leave.
For reason #1 I'm in the opposite position. The management became super friendly all of a sudden compared to when I started. It's as if they're trying to mask something or maybe they know something I don't and they feel sorry for me? Something just doesn't feel right.
I received my pip after complaining about internal control issues. I was already working 10 plus hours a day 5 days a week. I had to work 10 plus hours a day 7 days a week to meet the unrealistic expectations. I did. Also worked myself into mental health issues and they fail to put me on FMLA or reasonable accommodations for the anxiety and depression it caused
😂 yup & I called the job out and told them they were trying to create a paper trail . It all happened bc I (along with everyone in the office) would grab coffee and be walking to our desk at 7:45.. it was never an issue as long as you were in the building , but it was mind blowing when it happened
Talked to a coworker that got fired. He stated he reached out to the CEO because he felt as if he was being pushed out. According to him the CEO was shocked that this was going on. He eventually gave up fighting and was let go. A few months later, was at a conference with the CEO, who talked about how the now former coworker was a problem. Mind you the guy worked 9yrs for the company. The CEO knew exactly what was going on. I learned a lesson that day - TRUST NO-ONE!
Being fired can be one of the best things to happen. There is a lot of opportunity out there. The sooner you know, the better. You can then start looking for a new job, and resign without having them fire you. Exception: if your termination is likely illegal, you don't want to resign voluntarily.
As an HR professional, #1 is if you have a manager that you check in often with but now they "never have the time" or a set meeting time weekly that your boss "can't make" & never tries to reschedule, you're on the way out.
I survived a PIP in 2005 and worked at the company until 2017 when I retired at 65. In my case there were several actual performance lacks that needed to be addressed.
I had a situation where most of these things happened to me but luckily I found another job in time. I was so stressed up until that point. You would think the person that wanted me fired would be relived or over joyed that I was at least leaving but because I wasn’t getting fired it drove them crazy. I even went past their office on my last day before quitting time because there was someone in their office I got on with really well. I even said good bye and no hard feelings which got them even more enraged. I almost felt bad for them. I have never met someone so emotionally immature yet very good and reliable at their job.
I got fired once… When I was 19 from Toys “R” Us. For the 40 years until I retired, I was never laid off. I could be very critical of management, but they had to keep me because I was an expert in one of the systems. I finally fired the company when they threatened to put me on a performance improvement plan and have been retired ever since.
@@jazzyflorida3757 This. I was being told that my performance was lagging when it was not. I was working at 100 capacity, but they simply wanted to get rid of the remote worker on the team. Once I knew I was being setup, I really did the minimum. They eventually relented and negotiated a package for me to leave plus I'll get unemployment (I live in France). Event if I were still in the US, I'd prefer to be fired for the reasons you mention. It's all just business.
I got fired for no reason today. One big thing was that my supervisor was irrationally taking away tasks. I actually did very well and had great performance. On my last day, I had shown frustration and disappointment at the actions of others, one being that they committed forgery and got the company in trouble. But me being against forgery I guess was not a good look.
This! And if they say “we are a family” then you can expect that they’ll want you to prioritize them over your personal life, like the way you would for a family member.
Just found your channel. I’m in a shrinking industry (real estate), and also don’t fit in with the culture of my current employer. I’m older - in my 60s. I hope you will make a video on age discrimination. I am preparing to find a new job, as the vibes toward me are not super positive.
Just played a trump card…filed FMLA paperwork. Didn’t ask, but told. Now job is in a protected class as I look to replace it. Best part is I turned in the paperwork the same day I got the (completely unexpected) PIP and the Dr had already signed it.
A few years ago, a supervisor was trying to get me fired. He had a slightly clever strategy. When he and I had conversations, he made everything sound good, even when I sought feedback. During this time, he was writing me up just for breathing the wrong way. This was followed up by a poor performance review. Management was being painted a totally different picture than the conversations he and I were having. Things came to a head when I jumped the chain of command. We reached the consensus that my supervisor is a liar. I changed supervisors, and things made a swift turnaround. Afterward, I stayed on another five years before retiring.
I wish I saw this back in last March. I was place on a PIP on mid-March and I was very stressed out about it, but I decided to try to do my job better. Unfortunately I still lost the job a month later.
1. Even though you're not supposed to talk about pay rates - new hires come in who are paid less than you (possibilty of layoffs because you and several others in that dept make more, with no pay cut options or ask you to make less hrs. as an option)🤷. 2. Another sign of being fired, a new manager or CEO cleaning house. 3. Another sign of being fired, a new person hired, both of you have the same job title but for whatever reason, this person has better/interesting responsiblities or given the "know" about certain things that you was not given privey to.
And don’t sign a write up bcs they will screw you out of your unemployment inaurance. If you don’t sign you may still get fired but at least you will get your UI.
Yep, this sounds on target. Don’t panic, start making plans and try to get the best severance deal possible. Also there is likely zero chance you can do something that will save your job so don’t do anything “above and beyond” with the hope that they will change their minds.
My mom has had a similar experience, lately they have written her up for thing they caught 3 months ago that were ultimately frivolous. As well as writing her up for things that others had not been written up for. And additionally managements attitude getting colder, so essentially this video just hit the nail on the head.
Best thing you'll ever do is look for another job. I worked 17yrs for a company, saw mngrs come and go, then I had a toxic mngr, I used to have regular performance meetings to bully me etc, I used to just say.. Well I'm the same guy, doing the same job, the same way, what's changed?. There usually was no answer, they were trying, to eventually sack me. My colleague left unexpectedly to the company, then they only had me in the region. 😅. They were stuck...the manager met up for an emergency meeting, and told me to just forget about all the formal warnings and pip's I had previously, I was laughing so much!. I completed some qualifications and left 2months later. That was 9 years ago, I work for myself and will never work for a company ever again. Good luck🤞
Always, always be on a lookout for new jobs, remember they can fire you anytime they want, you can leave anytime you want. Give your 2 weeks, be polite but direct, don't do extra favors, just your job.
Just lost my job today. They out of the blue called me to a meeting and set me up with a meeting with HR. Then I was given two options pip or severance. Obviously the writing was on the wall at that point. They were basically saying take the severance and save us the time of going through a pip that you will fail anyways.
I told the HR manager that fired me, “It will be you one day.” A month later, it was.
Karma
You must have known something wasn't right with him or his situation. You just knew it.
Ooooooo !!!! I had something similar happen like 2 years ago. My job snaked me and fired me in a super shady way. My manager and district manager tried to play friendly in my face and i looked at them and told them what goes around comes around. Be careful of how you treat people. It always comes back to you. They looked at me like “ooooo okaaaayyyy” like I was crazy…. 😂 i can’t make this up….about maybe a month or so later….the whole office was fired. The company I worked for lost the contract out of nowhere lmao I gave the warning they didn’t listen. When you move shady it will always come back to you. Reaping and sowing.
Some thing happened to me. The manager who fired me was fired a few months later.
I had a very similar experience. I was let go in the most brutal way by an absolutely abusive HR guy. About 3 months later he fabricated a reason to call me. He was crawling and clearly trying to figure something out. A week later I heard he was screaming at the top of his lungs and was practically dragged out of the building by security, as he was fired for really serious sexual harassment of a direct report, that had been going on for years. She had receipts and they had to pay her a lot of money. Karma
Most of the time is personal reasons .
alot of managers are narcissists
Most managers don’t want workers, they want subordinates.
So true. I was being set up by narcissist boss who thought he was a genius and could do everything perfect. He was manipulative and emotionally draining. I had money saved up and one morning I decided to email my resignation. No unemployment check was worth the abuse.
99% of the time it is bad manager.
Was gonna say narcissistic and incompetent seem to go together
Bad managers often have horrible home lives and take it out on their employees and not their spouse.
I once went to a seminar for business startups. The presenter had a great line that I remember to this day. He said: "It is a race between you and your employer to determine who says goodbye first". I took it to heart and always made sure I had other options
Why isn’t this true to me. 2 years ago as a fresh medical health professional, I joined a role that provided home infusion for people to be infuse at home. Lots of these medications in normal clinical circumstances need close monitoring cause they can damage kidneys heart and cause harm. But the place I work for have no policy in place to help coach the process. Also no clinical background supporting home infusion practice. So a lot of people went home on iv and weeks later come back with a clogged kidney barely working. IMO I want to help people not cause them more problems. So I ask for policy and guidelines to help me practice safe for people but got 0. Then eventually the boss started hating me because they just want me to do the job but I question their practice too much. So she basically wrote me up for not performing well and took me down to HR. The HR was siding with the boss whole time until I mention that they fail to provide me policy and guidelines supporting the work I do and hinders me from performing my best and safest. The hospital HR realize that, if I report that information the board would slam the department hard so instead of firing me right there and then, they just gave me a verbal warning. Well eventually I quit a week after. So yes it is a race to see who quits first.
I just did that. Made sure I walked out on their shortest staffed day, too. I have quite a few friends in the clinic too who knew what I was planning. They kept me in the loop of the crapshow it resulted in 😂 It’s too long a story to explain here but let’s just say it was revenge that was so so sweet. The best revenge is a well lived life…. AND sticking it to them.
@@asmrtpop2676 you are so bold for doing that screw them
That is a great line.
I got fired then opened my own business and never and will never looked back
Congratulations. All the best in your new business.
Yep ❤
Yas !!!
Awesome
Please explain how to open a business. I need to do this too.
If they fire you. It’s a blessing. Stay away and never go back if they try to hire you again.
I’m waiting to see if that happens to me. I was a great employee of a school and a narc manager sought to have me fired because I stole their thunder. I violated the first law of the 48 laws of power. However it was worth it and I don’t regret it one bit. I opted for reversal of the law because this manager isn’t worth two dead flies smashed and I wasn’t gonna squander my potential to make them seem great. If that offer comes my way, I’ll play blind, deaf, and dumb!
@@ShiftingCloudsYT who would want to make money for people who fired you and don’t care about your financial situation?
You can’t expect ANY person to honor you all the time, but you must put yourself first & repect yourself at all times. Boss or not. Violating your non-negotiables vexes your soul.
@@FrankBevins-kh7mq why not? Just make it worth your while. A (re-)signing bonus and severance package (in case they do it again) would be starting points for the contract negotiation.
Fired from jobs when I was young that had to work more hours for less money than I do now. Basically. Some firings can be blessings
4 Signs You're Getting Fired:
1. The executives didn't get the stock price up enough for the investors so they've go to reduce expenses.
2. Your boss didn't meet his goals - so you go under the bus.
3. The boss's nephew needs a job
4. It's cheaper to do business in China and Mexico
Don't forget about the "cheap labor" that somehow makes more than us
The last 2 are the number 1
Number 3 actually happened to me.
or when private equity firm like Bain Capital buys your company
#3 reminds me of what happened to Vito in Godfather II.
I’ll give you one first hand….when you enter a “status” meeting and your boss, hr and the head of security are waiting for you .
Well that’s the final nail. I mean at that point, you just gotta know.
Along with a police officer and some cardboard boxes.
They’ll say somberly “close the door and have a seat.”
@@johnfoltz8183 they said exactly that in a rehearsed authoritative voice.
We had an HR lady that people in her own department privately called her The Terminator.
You can imagine why!
This is a state agency and they can and do terminate employees for performance reasons as well as standards of conduct reasons.
I have learned not to be loyal to the company you work for. They wont be loyal to you. They dont have to give you a two week notice if they fire you. When i quit a job i give them a "to day notice" im quitting to day.
Right to Work states allow both parties to end the employment at will. They won't give you notice, so you don't owe them notice, either. If they try to guilt you into it, just state that they didn't give you notice when they cut your hours back, so you didn't think you had to give them notice, either.
I wish I had done that but my new employer is in the same building and works with my previous employer. New employer asked ME to give previous employer two weeks notice. Ended up giving three weeks notice instead. Longest three weeks of my life.
That common sense... I give my job the finger every single day
I agree 100%. It was very freeing when I finally realized that my employer would slit my throat if it served their bottom line. They were not loyal to me so why should I be loyal to them?
I agree 100%. Screw them!
A fifth sign I'd add: your gut tells you.
Unless you're just the overly paranoid type that always thinks you're going to get fired.
Always
I had a gut feeling even before i get fired.
@@kyleroberts1276 "Just because you are paranoid does not mean they are not out to get you." -Joseph Heller
My gut is telling me the last few days/ I’ve just had a bad feeling. I’ve just noticed they hired someone new and I feel like she’s getting all my work even though her job title is different . And it’s just been really quiet all week in my inbox . I feel like I’m being put on the back burner
I could always tell. Their attitude toward you changes. They cannot hide it.
Here are the signs
- Shift in attitude, change in communication style, change in assignments, job duties.
- Write-ups and reprimands will create paper trail (Lateness, insubordination, performance issues .
- Performance review will contain negative feed back including factors that will fit their narrative.
- PIP - Performance Improvement Plan, will include a "goal" to meet, but can't be meet (subjective goals).
** My personal favorite - Your Gut! Always believe your instincts.
Why do they have to be such ashholes??? Don’t they have the guts to just tell someone they aren’t working out? Instead, they set you up for disaster.
@@babblesp1367 Because business are. They are in it for profit and not get sued or canceled. It took me a long time to learn this, but when you go to an interview, do ask questions. It is a two way street. They are interviewing you, just like you are interviewing them. I once cut someone off in the middle of the interview and told them , TY but I am not what you're looking for. Good luck to you. I saved myself the headache and aggravation of having to try to convince someone I was a good candidate, when clearly he just wanted to keep enforcing how right and "Great" he was.
You've seen these "folks" you given years of loyalty to do this to others, but you never think, "it will happen to me," but it will.
Absolutely correct!
This happened to me! After more than 20 years of working for a large, well-known nonprofit, I was suddenly deemed “incompetent” to perform my job. Management then declared that I would need to be completely re-trained as though I was a brand-new employee. They even changed my job title to “[Company Name] Trainee.”
Clearly, they thought that that I was no longer useful to the company (and quite possibly, too expensive, as I was one of the highest-paid workers in my department, owing to my seniority), so they were basically forcing me out the door. I guess they figured they’d save a lot of money by getting rid of me this way instead of directly firing me and thus having to pay severance and unemployment.
And their strategy worked: After about 6-8 weeks of this misery and humiliation, I had had enough and emailed my resignation to the relevant people. I just couldn’t take it anymore, as I felt that I was in a living nightmare.
The day after I resigned, I started getting DM’s and texts from some of my work friends. They told me that they-and everyone else at the company-had received an email stating that I was “no longer employed by [Company Name].” So the company clearly wanted people to think that I had been fired. Typical.
I’ve never regretted leaving, as this workplace had, over time, gradually become a miserable and toxic environment. And it has only become worse since I left, from everything I’ve heard. But I AM bitter about the fact that I put in so many years of my life into working there, and yet will not be able to claim my full pension and retirement benefits.
Even so, my life has improved significantly in the eight years since leaving that company. I now do work that I enjoy, and (significantly!) I don’t wake up every morning dreading the day ahead of me, as had been the case at the nonprofit. So I definitely made the right decision all those years ago.
yeah life sucks
@@ryugurena3327sometimes it can be poetic justice. Some of those people were gleeful of others losing their jobs… now it may be their turn.
You mean without reason? Like writes up and actions plans for no reason at all ?
I heard someone say if you’re ever given a PIP then it’s time for you to start a POOP (Pursue other opportunities plan).
I ❤ this! Already working on mine… 😁
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Absolutely true. And I was amazed to find out how competent I actually was when I was hired for the right position.
And drag your heels and ride it out. They often put out pips to make people quit of their own accord.
You hit the nail on the head. The real clear 2 are changing job responsibilities, going backwards in responsibilities; the other is a clear change in their attitudes towards you especially if you been there a number of years. When this stuff starts to happen you really don't believe it, yet you've seen them do this to others.
The job responsibilities aspect infuriates me
Exactly. I’m 25 years, close to retirement, but I’ve never had a bad review. The attitudes have changed.
There is something called quiet promotion that they can do as well. They move you into more responsible duties formerly done by higher-paid staff that left/were fired, while cutting your pay! They hope you will quit.
More signs:
(1) Employer will hire your replacement (or a contractor) that you need to train.... or they'll move an existing employee to work with you on tasks you normally perform. They do this under the guise of giving you a helper that reports to you.
(2) One of your co-workers accidentally becomes aware of your pending doom, and tells you about it (because they are more loyal to you than the management or HR team)
(3) Your company is already laying off or firing other coworkers in bulk for "non-reasons".
(4) Your company just merged or was bought by another company. (lay offs coming)
(5) Your manager starts addressing you in more formal language (using the moniker Mr. and Mrs. + your last name). No more nick names used, no more joking around, or no more slang or potentially offensive words used.
(6) They start asking you to create far more and extra detailed documentation of all of your tasks and responsibilities.
I worked in large company for 2 years, I was good at my job. Then they hire some guy and said to me to train him. And after some time they forced me to leave. 😢
Never saw that coming, but now I understand.
I have seen number 1 & 4 happen together. A company I worked for was merged with a larger company doing the same work. Our managers were all tasked with allowing the merging companies managers to shadow their work whilst being promised their jobs were safe. That turned out to be BS!
Unless I’m reading the ‘tea leaves’ incorrectly, I’m going through this right now. My original employer (a health insurance field marketing organization, or ‘FMO’ for short) got ‘acquired’ (read: BOUGHT OUT) by a much larger FMO based out of Dallas, TX back on 1.28.20, just barely a month or so before everything went on lockdown due to the COVID pandemic. As we began working under this new arrangement whilst working from home, our braintrust of a CEO told us during a series of ridiculous ‘Inspire Podcasts’ that we all would be eligible to participate in the company’s employee ownership program and that our units (*not shares per se, but ‘units’) would typically vest in 5 years, and that some employees under previous acquisitions had “received checks as big as $15,000 to $20,000.” Fast forward 4.5 years, and just as I’m about to vest, I get pulled into a 1:1 meeting with my immediate supervisor whom proceeds to softly read me the dreaded riot act about allegedly “violating company policy” by saving ready to sell reports to incorrect folders, when the reality was that I did this accidentally and with no negligence or harm intended. During this same meeting, she then informs me that our previously monthly 1:1 meetings will now be weekly and I will be receiving a PDF of the write-ups imminently via Workday. Just for further background about why this seems a wee bit shady: a couple of weeks ago, one of my most-trusted, long-time colleagues intimated to me that 2 of our marketers had been fired for allegedly making ‘fake’ phone calls so as to meet their ridiculously impossible call volume quotas, while another marketer whom was even longer-tenured than we were was fired inexplicably, this barely a month after having become a first-time homeowner. Just unbelieveable. Since the proverbial writing is on the wall, I’ve begun my new job search and I’m getting my ‘ducks in a row’ accordingly while I’m waiting for the proverbial other shoe to fall. Make no mistake: getting fired sucks, but at the same time, it can actually be a blessing in disguise, especially if you find yourself toiling in a professional environment as toxic as the one I’m in now. Wish me luck!
BINGO!
# 5 is a HUGE one. If you start seeing a significant change in behavior from the manager and certain other people where you can feel something is wrong, start looking for another job immediately.
I've been on my job almost 13 years & never had a bad review, write up or anything! This year i struggled with a new project, got put on a PIP & ended up quitting because I knew I couldn't get off the PIP. Im 51, have mo job lined up but have an interview tomorrow for a job making $85k. I was making $135k. I have some savings & i can live off $85k until I find better, but I'm PRAYING this works out🙏🏽🙏🏽
It will ❤🙏🏾
How's it going?
Add a fifth thing is they hire some dumbell and expect you to train them when they are downsizing and after you do this,you arrive at work Monday morning,and security escorts you out the door!!
What you do is get the resume out immediately and don't train the next person well at all, or incorrectly.
@@RichardLeo-mf3zbinstructions unclear, I lost my hand lmao.
And this is why I always leave out crucial details or facts when training new people.
if the company cans me well sorry but your new chew tow doesn't know how to squeak.
@@Gekigundam EXCELLENT POINTS!!
@@Gekigundam😅😅😅who are we and how did we get here. This is true but sheesh 😅
This is happening to me now. I’ve noticed my supervisor and manager don’t really speak to me or meet with me when they have meetings with everyone else. I hear changes at work from other workers and not my supervisor and my opinion or advice isn’t taken. I also just got asked if I need training on my tasks despite having been doing these for a year now. I’ve also seen my schedule is changed to an unfavorable one, almost like I’m being isolated or singled out. I’m so bummed out because I actually like this job so much. And I get paid a decent wage. I’m on the verge of tears
It's tough leaving at first, but in the end be gald your rid of them, it was likely a toxic environment in the first place
Hi. What ended up happening? How much do you get paid? Sometimes I wonder if the pay is worth it as I'm kinda going through the same.
The same thing is happening to me.
I'm not crying for no hostile work environment and equally terrible bosses and management for sure but it does suck when you actually like the job amongst other things. But the narcissists make it so difficult its definitely not worth crying over. Stay strong and you're not alone.
Same. Since day 1 my boss is always riding my coattails and others are praised. I dont get communication on changes or myself. Ibsee everyone else getting the slice ofnthe pie and i get a whip cream one to the face!
What a great way to find out I’m being fired!
Hey its better to know it's coming then get a little suprize
I’m like seriously a video on your about to get fired smh😂😂😂
Why algorithm? Whyyyyy?!?!?
@@themoneymaker03 In your heart of hearts, you know why.
@@tharrrrrrr NNNoooo!!!! lol
I encountered most of these at my last job after a management change. Got on great with the old boss, but when he left the new boss and I immediately got off on the wrong foot and it snowballed from there until I ended up leaving of my own accord. I could have stayed and fought the situation but it didn't feel worth it; it's amazing how one person in power that doesn't like you can make a job you used to love become something you dread.
#5 they move your desk down to the storage room.
… and take your stapler.
And you don't get a donut.
And have you spray for 🪳🪲🐜🕷️…
...and you stop getting paychecks.
What a great movie. 😊
Another sign is they posted your job on Indeed or Craig’s List. Years ago, a company I worked for, wanted to fire a manager and posted the job online. They posted it as “company confidential”. The manager saw this ad and some of the verbiage sounded similar. She had a friend apply for the position and the friend confirmed what she had dreaded. She found another job before she could be fired. As her boss, I wasn’t mad at her. She did what she had to do.
For the record, I didn’t think she was a bad employee and was strongly against the decision to fire her. Sadly, I was overruled
You just popped up on my newsfeed and I don't have to worry about getting fired because I have no job
If you suddenly find your co-workers avoiding you or acting nervous and stand-offish toward you, your about to be let go. The company grapevine is always dialed in and shockingly well informed.
In 15 years of experience in six companies, I can say that this video is absolutely true. In a nutshell, performance reviews and PIPs are random nonsense. I used to anguish about performance reviews and "feedback", but now I don't pay much attention to any of that unless it's to my genuine benefit.
I live in Kentucky USA and I worked for a security company twice, I called it twice by gut that I was getting ready to be laid off. This company only told us two weeks before hand. Once I sensed it, I contacted the new company and they hired me right on. I WILL never go back to the former company I worked for. I have my basic computer repair certification.
This is why you always have to be looking. You are selling your labor and skills and you need to have options if you want to avoid getting blindsided by your main employer. Keep your eyes and ears open. Pretend you are your own small business that needs more than one customer.
Facts!! I experienced these behaviors at my workplace last year .Management and supervisors were horrible and didn't like me for whatever reason.
The reason, in case you don't know, is because you had a backstabbing boss who was bad-mouthing you behind your back. This is always the case if management starts treating you badly. More than likely your boss is jealous of you or your work, and is also taking credit for the good things you do. You are a threat to her, she knows it, and will make you look bad so that she can get rid of the threat.
power in a relationship is whoever wants it the least. never need your job more than it needs you
Well said. I was just teaching my son today that the most powerful person in contract negotiation is the one who is the least needy. I told him this applies to just about anything in life.
Easier said than done. This is why the job market has been made worse in recent years. There are fewer alternatives.
Well I was fired 2 weeks ago all of these things happened! And I mean all right down to the last detail!
Sorry to hear. Hope you managed to find something better.
I hope you were able to find a much better job. Sorry to hear that happened, I’ve been through that too
F' em. You got this
@@gturcott1 it hurts like hell, but you’ll get through it….promise. I did.
I often found that another sign that an employer is planning to fire you or at least trying to make you quit is giving you fewer hours and just reducing your hours until it gets to the point where the hours you work are really pathetically low
-End of year 2021 review: some issues, but making some steps in the right direction, set some targets.
-Get new manager in April
-All year, pushed harder than ever, doing tasks for the first time, develop new skills, am a better engineer at the end of 2022 than I was at end of 2021.
-End of year 2022 review: given a worse score than previous, and am put on a PIP
No real secret there. Thankfully, I was able to find another position by the end of the PIP, and left on my own terms.
I’ve been on both sides of this. Good video. I won a settlement by recognizing this early and documenting what was really happening compared to what they said was happening. This made it easier to get a lawyer even before they escorted me out. Once the lawsuit was filed we got management’s emails. Pure gold mine. They settled.
Best way to document without turning into a target?
All true. They will also have made a note of anytime you were caught doing non-work-related tasks, surfing the web, etc., and they won’t say anything about it unless they decide to fire you. Even if you were just doing what everyone does. If you stop to talk to a colleague for a minute and they notice it, they may also say that you were preventing people from doing their work. These things happened to me.
Looking forward to a week of company holidays at the end of the year? Don’t be surprised if you get a call after you get home from the Christmas party on the last Friday before vacation saying you’ve been let go and NO, you will not be allowed to come back to pick up your things. They will send whatever belongs to you by mail, minus your snacks and whatever they deem not important, at a later date.
Just realize that you’re not indispensable-everyone can be replaced. And you WILL be replaced whenever it suits them. Also, coworkers are not your friends.
After that nonsense, I now work for myself and intend never to work for anyone but myself again. Companies suck, and I will never be loyal to another one that isn’t my own again. 😂
As a manager this is the usual corporate thing. I won two performere awards delivered by the company but got a negative evaluation anyway. I then got into an Executive education program at an Ivy League school and got a PIP that said I wasnt interested in improving myself. I then left the firm and both senior managers eventually got termed
I encountered similar situations; they stole your credits and made up false negative reviews. Glad the managers who twisted facts got termed.
You were deemed a threat to your superiors.
@@joshua7999 We had a good laugh about it in New Haven.
PIP is is a clear red flag that one is about to be separated from organization! I was a victim of PIP! I was given target, impossible to accomplish while being under PIP! This manager took me to a room, explained me how PIP works, says "PIP is just a formality" and I was very dumb to believe him! He clearly had issues with me, I was a "Black Sheep" and a "No employee" he took this to his ego and did almost everything to get rid of me, when he couldn't find a reason to terminate me, he issued PIP. And since these impossible targets were not achieved during PIP, I gave these cowards a reason to get rid of me, there you have it, for months it was next to impossible to get rid of me and within few days he was successful in his dirty tactics! Threatened me by saying that either I resign or be ready to get fired! In India, our government doesn't cares, there are no labour laws to protect us, hence I would say PIP is a mere hoax to get rid of employees who say "No" refuse to be a Yes Employee! I was indeed a victim of dirty politics and PIP was used to get rid of me because they couldn't find a reason other than that!
It’s not even a red flag - it’s a transparent and obvious indication that management thinks it’s not working out.
If you’re getting to the point of getting a PIP, it’s probably already too late.
My ex boss suffers a heart attack after putting me on PIP, and his boss got fire because he had issue with another big boss, I get to keep my job after all these dramas. Beleives in Karmas.
I only wish I saw this video 3 months ago. I experienced all these 4 signs and even until the very last stage (PIP) I truly believed it was for me to improve my performance. I got traumatized after I resigned and had to take two months off to heal myself😢
I’ve noticed how differently my boss and coworkers treat me. A while ago my boss told me to stop doing everything and she took most of my responsibilities away then gave them to herself and my coworkers. Today one of my coworkers just referred to my position as though I wasn’t there. The whole environment is like a shitty high school or trashy girls night out. My boss and coworkers all talk about gross s3xual things they want to do to fictional characters among other inappropriate topics. There’s a time and place for that and it’s not at work in front of customers. I have almost nothing to do during the day and no one speaks to me. I’ve decided to use the time to build myself up and move on. I’m jumping ship while I can.
Definitely get out fast. I had a program manager make a sexual inappropriate comment towards me in front of ten people (customers include). He realized it later and my immediate supervisor stopped giving me work. I ran
@@BusArch42 Thanks. I turned in my two weeks and they told me to get my shit and get out.
@@ultraclunt9667The only time they want you to do the two weeks is when they're already a bad company, and everyone already knows it, and they know they will have a hard time getting anyone to take your job in the two weeks. Either your shift was bad, your days off were bad, or you did all the s*** work and they knew it. If the manager is a bad manager and is talked down by everyone in the company, or it has a high school mentality with a whole bunch of bratty mean girls, they know it will be hard to replace you. The word has already gotten out that it's a bad place to work.
I left a job when the energy shift stage occurred. I will own the mistakes I made at that job, but my replacement lasted less than three months and his replacement maybe less than a year. It was obvious my former boss truly didn’t care about the quality of the program- which fell apart without me. Her problem with me was personal.
Performance reviews don't tell the story. It's when you stop getting feedback altogether, when you notice managers and coworkers (who usually know before you do) are speaking to you less and less, but are conspicuously cordial when they do, that your days with the company are most likely numbered.
Worked for a large bank and I was placed on a 12 month probation to improve. My job was "at will". They never said anything else. Not a single word. At month 11 I was fired. It was a shocking and atrocious surprise. Never take your job for granted.The most important thing is how we chose to react. It can be negative or positive.
Unless you're in Vegas and your job is fast food and you just started. These people fire you for being late once since there is a 90 day probation period and then you need 6 months there to even be eligible for unemployment at all. So basically they take you off the schedule right before the third or sixth month and there is nothing you can do, you're basically just fired at that point. If you live in Vegas and you are ever removed from the schedule without notice, just start looking for a new job right then and there, don't wait for a talk, don't wait for a phone call, an email, a meeting, just start looking for a new job.
These are Soo true. The company I just got fired from definitely changed how they communicate with me. They got really silent. They use to asked how my pregnancy was going but then they just stopped. They never presented writes or anything written how my work performance just said it is poor right before I was set to go on my maturity leave. These companies, well the people running then are trash.
You should definitely talk to a lawyer about this.
Maternity leave
You need to consult a lawyer.
This one is clearly illegal and has been since 1978
The thing about this circumstance is that they won't fire her. They'll just make a lot of changes while she's on maternity leave that she won't like or that will disorient her upon her return. If she doesn't leave on her own out of frustration, they'll find a way to target her for her inability to adjust to the changes they've made. IF she is truly feeling targeted already, the best use of the end of her maternity leave would be to find another job or, at the very least, prepare herself to be let go when she returns.
Sign number 1)
You accidentally expose your supervisor as knowing absolutely nothing about the job.
I saw the writing on the wall weeks in advance. Took a 45 day vacation applied and started a new job on vacation while getting PTO. Took 2 weeks sick with doctor note. Resigned after that.
Me: Q4 FY22 150%, Q1 FY23 150% over target,
Q2 halfway trough quarter? PIP...
No lateness, no complaints only a toxic manager,
unbelievable.
Had a manager meet with me every 2 weeks to discuss my goals for the year and talk about upcoming projects. Every meeting was a positive result and made me feel good about working. then, my mid-year review came back and he said i had poor performance and I wouldn't be getting my bonus , without any warning... I quit that job within 2 weeks and found one offering 25% more salary. Never settle for a job that lies to your face and disrespects you!
Yep, had a great End-year review (where the manager said I was an example to other PM's), 2 months later I am underperforming (PIP). Manager became extremely toxic.
That is a very unfair experience
@@katiavoznaya2395 You wonder why a manager goes from liking you to dissing in two months. Very strange. A toxic boss will never give you a good review.
@@rodhoek1046it’s way too common. You have to watch carefully for the warning signs and have an exit strategy
Sign docs "under protest" and immediately write a rebuttal and obtain a receipt! Send ALL emails you can to your personal email address and attorney if one exists! Do NOT trust anyone but go there and do your job and look for another while still there.
This!!!
If you get a PIP, you’d better start looking for another job asap.
Changes in job duties is a big one in retail. Also, for store managers, corporate executives that were once super cool with you will distance themselves without notice. Before I transferred to a different store in another district, I saw an exec completely distance himself from our store manager. He sent word with the DM that he wasn’t coming to visit as opposed to calling her directly. Three weeks after I transferred the store was abruptly shut down and everyone left was laid off. I’m glad I got out when I did!
I was put on a 6 week PIP last year in January. They listed all my mistakes which majority of them were petty, and 2 were blatantly discriminatory and grounds for lawsuit. The worst part was we had a 1 month layoff for winter break and they pulled me aside 1 week after we came back from break. If they didn't want me there, they should have told me my job was done when we wrapped up for Christmas. It was a boat yard that services and sell boats. Now I'm now at a much better boat yard and I've been there for a year and i get along with everyone.
5th sign: You are watching this video
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Nah that ship has sailed. Just seeking revenge at the company by stealing their best employee to come work with me.
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Yep 😆😆😆
Lmaoooo
Performance Improvement Plan (PIP): you do NOT want to be on this plan. You’re basically hanging by a thread.
My ex-boss put me on PIP and then he drop dead of a heart attack in the office one week after, My company never mess around with me anymore after that. Its a true story.
This, I never heard of a PIP, saw a coworker get one and a week later, got the boot…
@@sukjinaigoo716 no one put on a personal improvement Plan is intended to remain with the company.
Personal improvement plans are just insurance from litigation. They have no intention of trying to improve you or allowing you off of that plan.
I survived a PIP in 2005 and worked at the company until 2017 when I retired at 65.
@@tomsuh1362 do you have 666 on the back of your neck?😂
I agree with all of these things, but there's a few that I want to add that I've experienced in more than one company.
1.). If upper management changes beware within a year layoffs will happen.
2.) Your immediate supervisor quits.
3.) There are coworkers in the same department as you who see each other outside of work, but never include you.
4.) You're asked to keep track of your work and how much you do.
5.) You have a boss who belittles your work. For example, "Oh I can train the girl who will help you. It's easy."
if you want to fire your employee at least be a man about it, take responsibility. and tell the truth! don't fire the person and let him/her think that something is wrong with them and they are not good enough.
So if all this paperwork is in place and it's a known fact that it's there to serve the purpose of firing a good employee who has been marked as a bad employee. Why haven't the courts done anything about it in being fair to employees? The write and reprimands coming out of the blue is happening to me and not only has it created a mental health issue for my self but the confidence in my work has decreased to because the anxiety of misspelling a wrong word could cause the whole world to come crashing down at my work.
Same. It's the weekend. I am diagnosed with anxiety. This is DEMONIC
Exactly! They will keep on the rogue employees....because...the rogue employees...will file lawsuits....where as...the politically correct employee....most likely will not. WE NEED LAWS!!!
There are no laws that can rectify right to work states. These tactics are all used by everyone in order to avoid having go to court and do settlements, or get out of paying unemployment benefits. You only have a chance if you work in a company that is part of a labor union. Then you have an intermediary and someone who will actually fight for you. If they determine you are actually abusing the job in some way, they won't back you.
I work really hard and get positive comments from customers yet I get negative unsatisfactory reviews. Leadership doesn't respond to my questions as well as others. Almost as if I'm left to dust. Just one or two more signs and I'm quitting. The toxicity is not worth it.
Best thing to do is to get fired once you have the next job lined up. Collect unemployment for 2-3 weeks. That makes the company have to pay more in unemployment taxes.
Manager asking you to give full share of your calendar & future scheduled Teams meetings with clients. Being under investigation over & over, as they looked to find reasons to fire you.
Those are great suggestions. I’m adding them to the next one 🤝
As if you are being interrogated by a police officer?
I had some definite performance issues regarding missing deadlines, not returning calls, etc. I had a talk with my manager and they put me on a "coaching plan." I immediately turned it around and my manager would tell me he saw a great improvement and i figured i was out of the woods. Then i got assigned a new manager and she immediately brought up my past deficiencies... Mind you, my meeting with my manager was in march, this was now august. I should have asked for a timeline but im betting they didn't do one on purpose. Then i had a couple of mistakes and they brought up all the stuff i had done prior to march. Didnt matter how much i improved. They then later started examining my files looking for authority violations. When they gave me a list of accounts, i had management approval for everything. They went quiet on me and then out of the blue, put me on a PIP. It was then that i knew i had no chance of staying on, so i quit. Best thing i ever did.
I’ve never been fired. I’m 56 years old. My last job of 20 years. I gave them two months notice and they were still assholes. Companies suck.
Haven’t watched yet, but my number 1 is if the boss asks you to document how you do your job, assuming you’re useful. They are going to fire you, they just want everything you know first.
If I didn't know better, I would swear you worked in the same company I did from 1999 - 2005 :) The process you described was like a blueprint for how they acted, and before I was one of the people terminated, I would morbidly joke w/ my work buds that, "We must be living in an 80s slasher film. One by one, they're 'slashing' us all!"
To replace everyone with a lower wage new employee. Less experienced and less productive.
@@johnmourer5747Companies are literally trying to acquire TEMU level employees. Treat them like disposable plastic. 😅
I'm 66, and am going to have to continue pushing my boulder into my 70s.
Years ago, as a much younger man, I was placed on a PIP. That's shaking your death rattle.
In retrospect, I'd just asked them to terminate me then and there, and filed for UI. I suppose they could fight one's UI, but in my case, there was no gross misconduct that could've been proven.
So what? We’re all just fucked then? Companies are shady as shit
Pretty much I guess
So either learn to play the game and blend in until you get where you need to be (or as far as you’re able to make it), or start your own business and stop working for dirty corporate politics. Those are really the only two options
Technically unless they change the at will employment policy
Yes, we are all deposable slaves to them.
At this point if there was a surgery you needed get it done and take an extended medical leave.
A high level manager in my family informed me that another way organizations fire employees is by giving certain employees a ‘meeting expectations’ review. I then asked him “ why is it so popular for organizations to do this, it seems as if managers are told not to give employees an ‘exceeding expectations’ review.” He stated “ you’re correct, in fact, before we begin the reviewing process, we’ll meet with upper management to discuss our reviews prior to announcing them. When I’ve tried in the past to give them, the panel would’ve asked, “what has this employee done?” Then they’ll say “ well, that doesn’t sound like a meeting expectations to us.” He went on to explain that one employee even screamed “ what do I have to do to get an ‘exceeding expectations’ review because that’s money I’m not getting on my raise, and I’m trying extremely hard to meet that standard?” This creates friction and is often used as a way to fire employees through PIP’s or some employees just quit which is what the company wanted in the beginning.
You need to write better, I can barely understand this.
@@navrangarajan8642 understood, let me edit and make those corrections. My apologies
Thank you for revealing what I've been saying for a year but have been told repeatedly that I'm exaggerating.
I kind of understand where you’re coming from. When work thinks it’s got you by the scruff of the neck they make life hard for you and any valid complaints you have are blithely waved away. The day I paid my house off was the day I went to yet another interminable meeting called by management to rubber stamp a decision made by management but pretending it was our decision.
I got cheeky. I moved that we either vote A to accept it or B to accept it and then recommended B to make it look like we had thought about it. The normal placid staff got the joke straightaway and duly voted B to accept the proposal, with instructions to convey to management our reasoning.
I was never promoted but I did have a win. It was the last time management pulled a stunt like this.
I got fired one time like in 2018. I was a store clerk everyone liked me i think the store manager got jealous, called me in the office one day and said "money came up missing" of course I knew i had never stolen 1red cent. Everyone knew if money was missing it was the chick who rarely came to work and had a drug addiction. Anyway the assistant manager told me it was BS and I should get a lawyer.... Long story short I called a lawyer he told me Texas was an "at Will" State and it wouldn't be worth even fighting the Case. Weeks later the assistant manager called me and told me the Guy realized he'd made a mistake and it wasn't me it was the addict. SMH Life 🤷🏾♂️
another sign. You get old. But you are soooooo right in the way they do it
Especially if they start joking about how "forgetful" you have become. If it becomes a running joke about your competence, it means it's being discussed when you're not around.
Great video, and spot on, thanks !! What I would add in communications change, is that there could also be some sudden unexplained (feigned) kindness, niceness etc. from management, where you think things are going to better or becoming better after all, and you're in luck. In actual fact it's just a front to deliver the final blow or an advance self-absolvation for the bad act about to come ..
Can you explain again? with an example?
@@GainsGoblin Sure. It’s when managers are suddenly kinder / nicer to staff, after previously having been on the abusive side, and when there’s no rational/obvious reason for the change. It can just be things like saying hello, or asking how you’re doing, or talking about vacation / weather etc., when this was previously hardly the case (it may not be about praising your work, as this could be used against the employer if suing it for wrongful termination). It’s to get you ready for slaughter, also maybe to lead you to take down your guard, possibly even entice you to say something casual, unfavorable to you, so that the subsequent strike may thought to be easier or easier embedded/supported. It’s the cloak in the dagger, poison in the sweet, friendly invitation before being clobbered, praise before a dig at someone. Or also instituting a Performance Improvement Plan, and saying it’s for your good, a chance to improve or prove yourself and clear up any misperception, or just a formality etc. Or a detective, who just wants to talk to you for a couple minutes / hear your side, while actually being totally intent on indicting you, and just seeking any additional information he/she can get to beef up his/her case. A lesser form but the same mechanism is where managers / co-workers are sweet-talking you, charming you, followed by “oh Mr./Mrs” (or whatever), by the way could you please (just) do this/that or check this/that.
It may just be a basic psychological trait of people, rather than a particular strategy. It’s the same as in , when viewing an apartment for rent/sale, and you’re not intending to take it, you start saying a few niceties, usually more towards the end of the apartment tour, like nicely renovated, nice view, just to make your extraction from it easier and lessen the disappointment of the landlord/owner. Same in job interviews - when there’s all sorts of side niceties at the end, talking about current sports or whatever, it can be a clear indicator that you’re not getting the job, or that you’re not inclined, and setting the ground for a softer way out. If the employer is serious about you or vice-versa, it/you will act serious and inform you/it properly, and not spend time or give things away with over the top niceties. Both sides mean business, and not small talk. And if you’re planning on getting a divorce, you might feel inclined to still go for that final romantic twosome dinner etc. before breaking the harsh news to your (soon ex) best half.
Not sure if these examples are helpful, but I can try to think of more.
@@multijanni100 Very insightful! You actually went above and beyond. I have to say however that I have not experienced this before. Though I've only been fired twice. Both times it was quite obvious I was being fired. It's funny actually I watched this video yesterday and I got fired today. Anyways, I am ranting now. Thank you for giving me more context! I'll look for these signs in the future, maybe I missed those!
Maybe you are bad at your job and should be fired!
@@pauljansen6650If you are bad at your job, you will probably know it, and will quit yourself. If they like you and think you are trainable, they will coach you into being a better employee. If they don't like you, or your boss is threatened by you because you are actually better than she is, they will start making a case against you with all of the methods in this comment section.
Had all these tricks pulled on me. The bastards had to hire three inexperienced people to handle my former workload. I was better off in the long run. Screw them.
Same for me holy shit I'm not the only one.
Me too.
Worked for a small company who's owner thought he ran a Fortune 500 facility.
They moved me out of my office, put me in the middle of an hourly work area with no telephone. Pulled all that other stuff and then let me go at the end of the work day.
Went to work for an engineering contractor.
Worked seven more years and retired.
Never looked back.
Part of this club, bastards thought the company could replace me with 3 rookies under my "training." Long story short; these newcomers became my extended arms, and I knew they simply couldn't perform my tasks efficiently. Regional showed up one day talking to me about the company's changes and how they couldn't afford me unless I switched to part time. 😂. I simply left that job and took an offer from a competitor company that wanted me on board for a while. These clowns made contact last week asking me to go back for the same money. Saying not interested with a simple "sorry, mi no habla Inglés" was quite satisfying, to be honest.
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I left a job after 12+ years. One of my replacements said that they had to get two people to do my job. I had to do a mail run as well & the stops they made were reduced. That let me know that I was doing too much. My peace of mind was at stake.
I'm on my way out by the end of August, maybe just a few days prior. I've had all of these signs with my current employer. I'm so close to cussing my manager out and will have burned my bridges with her and this company when it is all said and done! I have a PIP, one written warning, one written counseling, and she is threatening me with a second written warning. I get in trouble every two weeks for something. I've had this job which I hate in Health Informatics where I am a poor culture fit for two years. I'm making a career change back to education which was what I was doing before this job.
Don't get mad. Walk. You may not be a good fit for this job or the boss is simply an a-hole. It doesn't matter. You are not working out. Don't get mad. Get great job skills that can be used in any company, and WALK. You are not married to this job, you did not swear an oath of "till death do us part". I have been fired from jobs and I have quit quite a few. I am self-employed now. I serious doubt I could go back to working for someone else.
@@kevinstroup I got fired 9 days before my contract ended and was so relieved!
@@kevinstroupI have my own business too but man I’m on a PIP and scared as shit about it now.
Good luck brother. I recently suffered through the same thing. I was at this job for 2.5 years (Health based IT) and left there in June under my own volition. I hated every minute of it, the leadership was terrible and the employees on my team were very stand offish. The experience was so bad for me that I haven't decided if I even want to go back into IT as a profession. Sadly, that is all I have done for the last 15+ years. Maybe I will just start working for UberEats or something.
@@kevinstroupmotivating words❤
Experienced all of these things and didn't really realize it as it was happening. I was a hard worker; I showed up early every day and stayed late every day. I knew how to efficiently and effectively do everything in my department, and yet they were promoting people who had been there for less than a year... That should have been my first sign that it was time to start looking elsewhere. Eventually they started setting me up in failing situations. Why do people do this? What do they get out of it?
You never know. Conflicts of interest and politics. Agendas
Been there too long. Gotta pay u more
Most of the time you get fired for no reason. They just want to reduce personal costs.
It's better for them to create reasons they fire you to prevent lawsuits which would cost them more. If they're really risk averse, they pay you to leave.
@@SurpriseMeJT They create a reason. But in reality there is no reason other than to reduce personal cost.
**personnel costs
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For reason #1 I'm in the opposite position. The management became super friendly all of a sudden compared to when I started. It's as if they're trying to mask something or maybe they know something I don't and they feel sorry for me? Something just doesn't feel right.
No you’re right. When my contract was up and the decided not to renew it all of a sudden I was everyone’s best friend
I received my pip after complaining about internal control issues. I was already working 10 plus hours a day 5 days a week. I had to work 10 plus hours a day 7 days a week to meet the unrealistic expectations. I did. Also worked myself into mental health issues and they fail to put me on FMLA or reasonable accommodations for the anxiety and depression it caused
Get out of that place. You can do better.
Here is one talked about by a friend: they nitpick you endlessly
Yes, in meetings they used to needle me more than anyone else at the meeting. Colleagues noticed.
Write ups in HR lingo is called PAPERING. Sometimes do papering on everyone, to be fair, and have leverage on everyone and utiluze when needed!
😂 yup & I called the job out and told them they were trying to create a paper trail . It all happened bc I (along with everyone in the office) would grab coffee and be walking to our desk at 7:45.. it was never an issue as long as you were in the building , but it was mind blowing when it happened
Talked to a coworker that got fired. He stated he reached out to the CEO because he felt as if he was being pushed out. According to him the CEO was shocked that this was going on. He eventually gave up fighting and was let go. A few months later, was at a conference with the CEO, who talked about how the now former coworker was a problem. Mind you the guy worked 9yrs for the company. The CEO knew exactly what was going on. I learned a lesson that day - TRUST NO-ONE!
Such a cheery disposition while outlining how I'm going to get fired. Thanks this was fun! Lol
Being fired can be one of the best things to happen. There is a lot of opportunity out there.
The sooner you know, the better. You can then start looking for a new job, and resign without having them fire you.
Exception: if your termination is likely illegal, you don't want to resign voluntarily.
This is pretty much the drill. HR are often called "the smiling assassins".
As an HR professional, #1 is if you have a manager that you check in often with but now they "never have the time" or a set meeting time weekly that your boss "can't make" & never tries to reschedule, you're on the way out.
I survived a PIP in 2005 and worked at the company until 2017 when I retired at 65.
In my case there were several actual performance lacks that needed to be addressed.
If your workload starts drying up that is a sign. Repeated criticism is another sign.
I had a situation where most of these things happened to me but luckily I found another job in time. I was so stressed up until that point. You would think the person that wanted me fired would be relived or over joyed that I was at least leaving but because I wasn’t getting fired it drove them crazy. I even went past their office on my last day before quitting time because there was someone in their office I got on with really well. I even said good bye and no hard feelings which got them even more enraged. I almost felt bad for them. I have never met someone so emotionally immature yet very good and reliable at their job.
I got fired once… When I was 19 from Toys “R” Us.
For the 40 years until I retired, I was never laid off.
I could be very critical of management, but they had to keep me because I was an expert in one of the systems.
I finally fired the company when they threatened to put me on a performance improvement plan and have been retired ever since.
If you can already retire, you could have made them fire you and collected more money either by settling a separation or collecting unemployment.
You left your severance on the table……and unemployment benefits then retire
@@jazzyflorida3757 This. I was being told that my performance was lagging when it was not. I was working at 100 capacity, but they simply wanted to get rid of the remote worker on the team. Once I knew I was being setup, I really did the minimum. They eventually relented and negotiated a package for me to leave plus I'll get unemployment (I live in France). Event if I were still in the US, I'd prefer to be fired for the reasons you mention. It's all just business.
I got fired for no reason today. One big thing was that my supervisor was irrationally taking away tasks. I actually did very well and had great performance. On my last day, I had shown frustration and disappointment at the actions of others, one being that they committed forgery and got the company in trouble. But me being against forgery I guess was not a good look.
I learned that if you work for a company with "family values" what that really means is you are only valued if you are in the family.
This! And if they say “we are a family” then you can expect that they’ll want you to prioritize them over your personal life, like the way you would for a family member.
This too! If the company for which I work is my - ahem - ‘family,’ I can hardly wait to be estranged from them. Long live the 🖤🐑!
Just found your channel. I’m in a shrinking industry (real estate), and also don’t fit in with the culture of my current employer. I’m older - in my 60s. I hope you will make a video on age discrimination. I am preparing to find a new job, as the vibes toward me are not super positive.
You got this!
Just played a trump card…filed FMLA paperwork. Didn’t ask, but told. Now job is in a protected class as I look to replace it. Best part is I turned in the paperwork the same day I got the (completely unexpected) PIP and the Dr had already signed it.
@@zoomingninjaif you are paying attention you can see the warning signs
A few years ago, a supervisor was trying to get me fired. He had a slightly clever strategy. When he and I had conversations, he made everything sound good, even when I sought feedback. During this time, he was writing me up just for breathing the wrong way. This was followed up by a poor performance review.
Management was being painted a totally different picture than the conversations he and I were having. Things came to a head when I jumped the chain of command. We reached the consensus that my supervisor is a liar. I changed supervisors, and things made a swift turnaround. Afterward, I stayed on another five years before retiring.
6th sign: When employees, supervisors and or managers start to CC HR in the emails, although you have BCC so you cant tell.
I wish I saw this back in last March. I was place on a PIP on mid-March and I was very stressed out about it, but I decided to try to do my job better. Unfortunately I still lost the job a month later.
PIP are extraordinarily cruel
I'd just keep doing what I was doing while side hustle looking for a better job.
1. Even though you're not supposed to talk about pay rates - new hires come in who are paid less than you (possibilty of layoffs because you and several others in that dept make more, with no pay cut options or ask you to make less hrs. as an option)🤷.
2. Another sign of being fired, a new manager or CEO cleaning house.
3. Another sign of being fired, a new person hired, both of you have the same job title but for whatever reason, this person has better/interesting responsiblities or given the "know" about certain things that you was not given privey to.
And don’t sign a write up bcs they will screw you out of your unemployment inaurance. If you don’t sign you may still get fired but at least you will get your UI.
If you’re suddenly left out of meetings you usually go to is a BIG sign.
I haven’t worked for any managers that were competent enough to create a protective paper trail for themselves.
LOL!
Yep, this sounds on target. Don’t panic, start making plans and try to get the best severance deal possible. Also there is likely zero chance you can do something that will save your job so don’t do anything “above and beyond” with the hope that they will change their minds.
Great video. I love how you present the facts. Direct, simple, and to the point.
I appreciate that!
@@edhones Most welcome. You do fine work.
My mom has had a similar experience, lately they have written her up for thing they caught 3 months ago that were ultimately frivolous. As well as writing her up for things that others had not been written up for. And additionally managements attitude getting colder, so essentially this video just hit the nail on the head.
I am a travel agent with over 20 years experience (not the same company) & this is happening to me right now!
Thank you xx
Best thing you'll ever do is look for another job. I worked 17yrs for a company, saw mngrs come and go, then I had a toxic mngr, I used to have regular performance meetings to bully me etc, I used to just say.. Well I'm the same guy, doing the same job, the same way, what's changed?. There usually was no answer, they were trying, to eventually sack me. My colleague left unexpectedly to the company, then they only had me in the region. 😅. They were stuck...the manager met up for an emergency meeting, and told me to just forget about all the formal warnings and pip's I had previously, I was laughing so much!. I completed some qualifications and left 2months later. That was 9 years ago, I work for myself and will never work for a company ever again. Good luck🤞
For me, the sign was my supervisor asking me when I was planning on retiring.
Always, always be on a lookout for new jobs, remember they can fire you anytime they want, you can leave anytime you want. Give your 2 weeks, be polite but direct, don't do extra favors, just your job.
Just lost my job today. They out of the blue called me to a meeting and set me up with a meeting with HR. Then I was given two options pip or severance. Obviously the writing was on the wall at that point. They were basically saying take the severance and save us the time of going through a pip that you will fail anyways.