PC Gaming Obsessions and Losing Sight of What's IMPORTANT?
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- This is the first time I make a video like this but I felt it was important to discuss obsessions with PC gaming and how it can sometimes negatively impact your gaming experience, wallet or both lol. Join the conversation and let me know how you feel about it.
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00:00 Intro and Premise
01:39 Older Hardware is Very Capable
07:49 Maximum Power is a Waste
12:52 Final Thoughts
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This is exactly what I have been saying for a year now. Maxing FPS is NOT what makes gaming fun. It's what NVIDIA wants you to think so they can make $1800 a pop
As long as I can set a render target in options (like in GTFO) so I can get to 90 at least, 120 smoothness if I can. All good.
Tried to make a different type of video this time, discussing some aspects of PC gaming that have been for me an obsession in the past and how sometimes that can take away from your enjoyment of the game. Obviously I'm not against upgrading or running your PC flat out constantly. You should always game the way you want to. I just wanted to offer my perspective on this and that even a 1 or 2 generations behind hardware can provide a pretty solid gaming experience.
🙂 this is similar to a very old school saying about upgrading your Motorcycle, you start with a 125cc and your constantly spending more money on bigger more expensive Motorcycles, and you forget that its not about the Motorcycle, the saying goes like this: It's not about your Ride, but that your Ride 👊😏 My main bike is a Yamaha DT 125 and sometimes people tell me to 'upgrade' but I tell them yeah but I like this bike
@@MrSamadolfo That's funny because I had friends of mine that had a few smaller motorcycles and some Vespa types that they'd immediately begin to take apart to upgrade parts and there were parts everywhere, sometimes it would work out, sometimes not.
@@TerraWare 😊 yup, i guess just cant help it, it happens with cars and trucks and homes too
@@MrSamadolfo It's fine people do what they want and am not against tinkering and personalizing things. Sometimes people that dont know what they are doing end up ruining good stuff though because they see stuff on the internet lol. That kinda bothers me oddly enough. Like people who try to change thermal pads in their 1 year old GPU's and end up messing them up or trying to use liquid metal halfassing it. I see it in the GPU repair videos lol. It's a shame. I have a 4 year old watercooled 6800XT. Temps are excellent. I'd never mess with it. If it aint broke dont fix it. I'm a big believer.
@@TerraWare 😅 heehee i usually dont take apart video cards anymore even if I buy them used off of ebay, what i do is give them a hot soapy wash, dry them, plug them in, run heaven and furmark and gtav and cyberpunk, if temps are ok and fans are OK i leave it alone and move on to the next card
I love this content!
The biggest annoyance for me at the moment is those that state "if it can't do it native it's trash"...
Yet here you are with the best hardware on the market purposely choosing not to run native.
These tools available now are certainly worth using, and you've shown that ,so I appreciate this content..
"It can't do it native it's trash" line of thinking is very close minded imo. Not that there's anything wrong with preferring native res of course but the reason why its close minded is because if you understand PC gaming you can't apply that line of thinking across the board. There will always be games that cant run at native 4K 60 for example with every settings maxed out, even with the best hardware, especially with ray tracing in the picture. It doesn't mean the hardware is trash, it's all relative.
Upscaling tech's really advanced these days and continues to get better and better. There's a lot of utility in that.
@TerraWare it's the type of line that comes from the same people that see no difference in RT on vs off in cyberpunk but see artifacts and blurry textures at 4k with quality upscale 😂
Now I know RT doesn't always have much impact in some games and upscalers aren't always at the same level in every game.
But it can't just be a blanket statement.
Your no RT, RT and pathtracing example was very good..
@@Spratty-wb3is It can sometimes be a case of people manipulating themselves unknowingly to want to believe something is irrelevant or that it doesn't matter or that they can't see it, because they don't want to. Even though it's something that's been tested and has plenty of evidence.
RTX 4080 S her, run all my games on DLSS.
@@theelectricprince8231 Very nice. That's a great card. Efficient too.
Nice video. One tip for further reduce the power with RTSS cap is to use the Reflex framelimiter. Inside RTSS settings you can find this option. Reflex uses a power oriented fps cap so clocks will further reduce. Although only works for most dx11/12 games for now
Living in a tropical country with lower wages, I prioritize efficiency to keep electricity costs down. I undervolt my hardware aggressively and using Rivatuner to maximize performance without my room becoming a sauna (two birds getting stoned or something).
While I enjoy optimizing/maxxing my setup like tech reviewers, I've realized it detracts from the actual gaming experience. AAA or most titles don't necessarily need ultra settings or triple-digit FPS. I miss the simpler days of gaming without obsessing over hardware specs. Now, I cap my games at 60 or 90 FPS, tweak settings until my PC fans are barely audible, and focus on enjoying the game. Thanks to your video Terra on this discussion! pinky promise i will worry less about my hardware until it affects my gameplay.
For me it's mostly the heat I find annoying especially during the summer time but less noise is good too. I like to game with my speaker system a lot of the time too.
😊 cool broh, I do the same, when I go home to my other home in Latin America the elctric bill is alot higher plus like you say the weather in the summer is a constant 90 Degrees, I usually way till evening for bearable temps, I have a bunch of bus powered cards mostly from Radeon HD R7 R9 and you can get alot done at 720p at 30 to 60FPS and the watts are very low kinda like running an oem desktop with integrated graphics, plus I try to just play lighter games when im down there, like point and click, adventure games, indie games, the heaviest would be GTA5 or PREY or Dying Light, nowadays u can run Cyberpunk at 720p 40FPS on many really low end video cards, theres benchmarks from content creators that specialize on testing video cards that are super low tier, cards that have 1GB of DDR5 and cost only $20, i think alot of people are not even aware of it
@@MrSamadolfo That's cool. I have some older cards, RX 580 4Gb and R9 270X 4gb
@@TerraWare Nice =)
@@MrSamadolfo I guess they might be out of your budget but things like the Steam Deck or other handhelds might be pretty great for people in your situation. When you think about how power hungry GPUs are these days it really is pretty impressive the kind of experience you can get on todays handhelds at only like 15 watts
of all the big channels i follow with the same type of content you are by far my favorite, i hope you never stop, take care man :)
I made a video on my channel (not his one) where i talked about just enjoying the game without caring too much about FPS, screen technology, resolution , etc and i totally agree, just focus on the game itself and enjoy the story or gameplay mechanics. Very nice video bro!!
I think many of us share this sentiment and to be fair I'm not against upgrading, obviously I like to do it and I love all the new tech that comes out and is upgraded in PC gaming.
Nice insights mate, good video.
I agree; me as the enthusiast making suggestions/pushing upgrades onto my brother and he plays with a 3060ti and a 5700x at 1440p/60fps/144hz with high and medium settings, and he's like "dude im good, the performance is good, the games run well enough to enjoy."
And i have recently been trying to avoid fiddling with settings and just to play and sink into it :)
That's funny, my brother's the same way. I let him use the 3080Ti and he plays on the PS5 mostly.
Loved the video I think indirectly you were saying game how you want to if your system meets your needs and plays the games you want enjoy the games. The best part about PC gaming is choice but sometimes choice is pushed so much that we forget that enjoying the games and playing the games was the point of getting the system in the first place.
Exactly.
The beauty of PCs is you can adjust visually settings to match the hardware.
Generally you don't have to upgrade ones hardware to play, just tweak settings.
DLSS seems to induce "lag" in CP2077 for my system and found native gives better frame pacing despite lower frame rates.
Aiming for a locked 90fps native by adjusting settings gave the best experience, even if it cost a lil'bit of visually fidelity.
The difference between Max settings and optimized Med/High actually look fairly similar. Having good game smoothness is preferable to slightly better graphics.
Always remember a 21" 1080p monitor looks identical to a 42" 4k monitor... more isn't always moore!
You explained the topic well. Nice work TerraWave
I try. It can be challenging to try to formulate a video around an idea. Practice and input form you guys helps.
I agree with the maximum power section. I also own a 4090 and like all other high end cards, it can generate quite a lot of heat, and during warm days this is very annoying. However it has so much brute performance that with underclock/undervolt/fps cap/DLSS you can lower power consumption drastically, like you shown. Using DLSS, high settings instead of ultra (other than textures), and fps cap gives a much cooler experience and also more consistent.
Awesome video dude, you're too underrated. Should have way more subscribers by now
Thanks. Maybe I should ask people to sub in the beginning of the video lol. Nah jk, I find that annoying when others do it.
@TerraWare haha should just put it as a text near the start of the video. Don't necessarily have to ask, seeing it on screen could be enough. I'm keen to see more content like this as well as what you have been doing :)
@@PCgamingbenchmarktime Thanks. Yea I've thought about putting it as a text in a non disruptive form.
Love this video. Agree with all the points you make. I personally also try to maximise looks while taking power consumption into account.
Also, like you said with Mario, all my favourite games ever are capped at 60 fps, so yeah...
Speaking of which Mario Odyssey was so good. My favorite in the 3D series and ran at 60 fps.
I've had a GTX 1050 TI for the last 5-6 years and recently upgraded to an RX 6600 the experience from a 7 year old graphics card to a 3 year old graphics card does feel next gen and smooth experience
Good video. I have a 5800x3d and 4090 in my living room pc. In my spare/rec room, I put a pc with a ryzen 3600 and rtx 2070. I've been playing games a lot more on my spare room pc and it's been fine. Lower graphics settings don't change how fun the game is AT ALL.
Nice to see you cap things to save a bit of power, What I've realised is the RTX 4090 is actually a really efficient card if you undervolt it and cap framerates.
First of all, that was the cleanest Native+RT+PT comparison I've seen. Also as far as maxing out stuff goes I find it pointless, I always encourage people to tweak settings instead and save power and gain more performance. With smart tweaking you will never notice the difference in new games since they look so damn good specially UE5. In UE5 you can drop everything to low and Res scale to 50% if you want and it will still look stupid good and detailed, (at least in Hellblade 2 and LotF) which is awesome for lower end hardware. I'm guessing nanite is responsible for that? Not sure.
Anyways I was planning on upgrading to the 50 series but the 6800xt is still serving me extremely well and on top of that I find myself not really caring for 99% of new AAA releases, sure they look great but in most cases I find the gameplay going a step backwards (that is completely subjective of course). I keep going back to older games all the damn time and to make matters ''worse'' I instead decided to buy a retro handheld console (Powkiddy x55, ordered it couple days ago) so I can play all my favorite games from N64, NDS, GB, GBA, SEGA etc. on one single device anytime anywhere.
So yea personally I'm extremely happy with that and as far as new games go I find that indie and AA releases atm are a hell of a lot more fun and less demanding to warrant a hardware update. Again what I'm saying is 100% subjective ofc. just a matter of taste. Gameplay is king for me and no matter how much I appreciate great visuals they still come second to that the moment I start moving my controller sticks.
Great video man, all very solid advice you put out there that hopefully people will listen to.
When it comes to big AAA there hasn't been anything crazy impressive, that Black Myth Wukong game looks pretty interesting. AA and indie is where it's at though and so many great retro games.
You could play enough games for the rest of your life without touching anything new haha.
🙂 i use an AC Watt Meter plugged into my main pc and I use another one in my lab for benchmarking, because I pay the electric bill my main concern is to lower the watts and save money for testing i leave it on unlimited fps but for normal use i just leave it at 60 fps caps
Obviously I'm going to max out my setup one day, but I see it the same way as sports cars. Yeah my altima is not enough to enjoy driving, and much of it is a headache, but buying a lambo won't even change my experience by all that much, so getting 80% of the way there with an entry level quick V8 or I6 coupe is just as good without sticking out like a sore thumb. Obviously the money I saved on using my friend's free 1050 was not worth the headache, but boy, that 3060 laptop I replaced it with got me every experience I wanted for so much convenience and bargain. A top spec setup is obviously still cheaper than a car, but you get my point.
I have a 144Hz 1080p monitor & 4k 60Hz TV,
I do play in the TV, but sometimes family is watching TV so I play in the 1080p monitor, using Radeon Chill (60-90FPS), it's perfectly fine.
My 7900XT crushes is both displays, at the end of the Day it's a Game. Enjoyment matters, graphics fidelity is secondary, started playing Arkham series recently, yeah old Games....But truely Gem of Games!My 7900XT fans don't even runs sometimes even in 4K.
Owning a VRR display has helped me not care as much about FPS. I own a pretty high end model and it has the extra gsync chip or whatever, so I'm not sure how the lower end models compare, but everything feels so much smoother and responsive. Between VRR and DLSS I've been still getting a great experience with a 2080 Super, despite playing the newest intensive games at 3440x1440. When I do upgrade I'll just see a bigger performance increase, so I'm bound to appreciate it more now too.
My ultrawide qd-oled display has the G-Sync Ultimate module in it too. I think the biggest difference between the module and G-Sync Compaitble (software) is it has a range of 1 fps to whatever vs software that starts at 41fps I believe. Other than that there isnt much of a difference as far as I'm aware. I have a freesync only monitor too and Nvidia cards work just fine with it. Alternatively AMD Radeon GPU's will work on G-Sync ultimate monitors just fine like mine that has no Freesync support but works as VRR. Its kind of all the same. I tried looking into this a while back.
I switched from an RTX 3060 Ti to a RTX 4080 S, my enoyment of games has not changed. The reason why I got it is simply because I don't want to think about system requirements at 144op for at least 5 - 7 years
Yeah I can understand that. 8GB of vram would probably run into some challenges in the years to come at 1440. But yeah at the end of the day you are still playing the same game.
@@TerraWare exactly
Pretty much the same reason I boight a 7900 XT. I wanted to hit up 1440P and VR titles, with as minimal issues as possible.
Modding is why i love pc. I can have spiderman(probably) in skyrim and i can also have a dragon in spiderman game. (Probably, doesn't sound impossible)
Why max out graphics when Ultra to High is indistinguishable 99% of the time. If someone does an graphical optimisation settings guide I usually do that, an example would be Tim from HUB but it was tested on PL but I'm sure it's the same for the base game. I have a 7900 XTX but still on 1080P, so definitely looking to upgrade to 4K. Kinda insane how these OLED monitors are just as if not more expensive than OLED TVs lol.
I am going to buy wd sn850x but i am confused between 2 tb and 4 tb nvme...... I love to store games..... I wann know if their will be speed / performance difference between 2 tb and 4 tb or will it be same for both ?
Speed should be the same as long as it's the same model. I'd go with 4 if you can. More is better and should be cheaper too and more free slots on motherboard for future upgrades.
@@TerraWare yes I have only 2 slots in my mobo that's why I'm considering 4 tb now so that in future I can add 1 more if I need to
I would go with a 1TB SSD and a 20TB 3.5 Hard Drive, you can never have enough space, I have my entire game library downloaded and installed across Steam, GOG, Epic, Ubisoft, EA, everything is updated and launchable, its a beautiful thing 😎
@@MrSamadolfo HDD's in 2024... yuck. They are really slow compared to SSD's and there's no way you are gonna be maxing out 20 TB's of storage anytime soon...
I have a 34in 21:9 1440p display and it's hooked up to a TUF A15 with a 3060, and really my biggest complaint on a daily basis is not all plugs can be magnetic quick connects. Going into performance, the most demanding game I have still gets ~90fps at 1440p 21:9 high settings. Granted it's not a new AAA game but I rarely get games as soon as they come out. Is it a bit noisier than I'd like? Definitely not using this as a music server (I have a DAP for that), but gaming/movies with headphones on? No problem, this isn't music where I'd be pissed about having anything over the room noisefloor masking the low bass even with audio running. (Granted, I have it on a positive pressure laptop cooler)
Do I still want a x800XT and an x800X3D SFX rig? Sure. Is it #1 priority? For now, no, I'm still playing Three Kingdoms. Maybe when Creative Assembly tosses out Empire II or something and this 3060 mobile can't run it at 1440p 21:9 (not to mention if they add ray tracing) then I'd consider an upgrade and retire this one into my backpack and as a console with the living room TV (this 3060's got a long life ahead of it for fighting games and my RPG backlog since the last time I had a dedicated console...which was the PS2 back in high school). Heck even when it can't run PS5 games fighting games and NBA/NFL/WWE games aren't gonna get that old for casual gaming.
Max settings have never made much sense to me. Example being shadows. They offer zero impact on gameplay, and when you turn them down to medium, you won't notice them unless you're actively looking at them. I have a 4070 Super and still use a 1080p TV at my desktop instead of a monitor. Every single game is buttery smooth at 60 FPS and the GPU fans hardly ever start spinning.
That's very capable card, its practically a 3080Ti, at 1080P you'll be set for many years lol.
@@TerraWare Barring any hardware failures, yes. I still play at 1440p on a 4K TV, but it's just nutty how little heat the card generates at 1080p. I hadn't used a desktop PC in close to 15 years, so I was thinking "is the GPU broken?" when it wasn't spinning when in use. lol
for me it all depends on game, but if i can max out game 60 fps i go for it, but if game is demanding i do lower settings for 50-60 fps exp with max textures
Right, it depends on the game and your hardware.
9:38 Try FSR 3 Frame gen, it's on par with DLSS FG but gives more performance. You can use Nvidias ICAT to compare the FG yourself to see. EDIT: FSR 3 FG is decoupled from FSR so you can use DLSS with it.
I tried one of the early mods months ago. Couldn't get it to run on CBP2077, did a video about it but it worked on other games. May have to look at it again when I get some time.
@@TerraWare I think for now the only native integration of FSR FG that is decoupled is Ghost of Tsushima, which is why I placed a time stamp there XD but I may be wrong on that.
Speaking of mods some devs just don't care about FSR and you get mods that look better than the native implementation such as Hellblade and to some degree Cypberpunk :/ (Ancient Gampeplays did a video on it)
@@Accuaro Wasn't CBP supposed to get official FSR 3 FG integration. I wonder what happened to that. It cant be that hard, I think that would be a very desirable feature for people. CBP is still very popular.
@@TerraWare There was a post on Reddit that showed that there is zero people working on Cyberpunk right now, so I don't think a FSR update is happening any time soon. I won't rule out it not happening, but probably not for a while lol
Maybe it's for the best though because there is a FSR 3.1 update that improves on temporal stability, so maybe they're waiting on that?
@@Accuaro That's a shame. I hope they are waiting for FSR 3.1 because while having user mods is nice, some require paid subscriptions, some are free but the majority of people don't mess with mods and I think devs should put these things in the game but that's wishful thinking. Many devs do.
I baught the 7900 XTX because it is the best GPU I can afford NOW, to enjoy fluid gaming for the next few years. I won't upgrade to RX 8000 or RTX 50 series, maybe also skip the next ones, until I sense that I cannot enjoy gaming because of technical deficiency of my current GPUs. I won't drive myself crazy, just to gain some frames above 60 FPS, or just to play on ultra-max settings.
You'll be all set for a long while with a 7900XTX. I have one its solid. Probably best bang for buck for raw performance
@TerraWare actually you were the one who convinced me for the nitro+, back then, when your channel was named TerraNiegra. So we have the same GPU model. I always check your channel for new releases, to check the playability of the new game. I love how you make the optimized settings videos, always helpful. Keep going❤
Raytracing to me is all about proper lighting, not about just getting extra reflections. But it depends on the title as well.
For example, GTFO thrives on light and darkness, it would be so good with raytracing. Eve would look good as well but needs it so much less. Little Nightmares would be good with it too. Inside would look even better than it does. Ori and the Whisps could use it very well.
On the other hand, Limbo does not need it and I see little use. Both FAR titles could do without. And why add raytracing to the Total War titles at all? Abzu looks too cartoony for it to be of use.
It is just devs no longer needing to bake lightmaps, shoving the work off on to consumera at home. The bonus is accurate lighting. This is how it will be in the future.
I Just need 60 fps to be happy .
Yeah for me 60 fps is my minimum although variable between 50 to 60 with VRR is still fine. With handhelds I'm willing to compromise even further.
Old hardware is like stale food, safe to eat but not very tasty ;)
Interesting analogy lol
Depends on what you define "old hardware"
My fav game is paper mario
*Proceed to explain graphics and high end GPUs for the next 15 minutes
This is a PC gaming channel but I do squeeze in some console every now and than if I'm trying to make a point.
Six months ago I went from an RX590 to a 7900XTX and I said then, I will say it here. A good game at 4K 144hz doesn't suddenly become bad game at 1080P 60 and a bad game doesn't suddenly become good because you went from 1080P 60 to 4K 144. For those of us attached to Keyboard and mouse, RX6600 is still the budget king. For those happy with a controller, XBox Series S.
Putting $6000 in to a PC I only used for 120 hrs of gaming, Putting $600 in to a PC and getting 12,000 hrs out of it. That would be my FOMO.
Yeah I agree. That's a solid upgrade.
computers, videogames, and the entire industry got worse when normies got access to computers. like with everything else. idiots clap for hype and trends. i miss the 90s when only the educated and wealthy had computers with internet.
Current AAA games are trash. Most of them seem to be made by reject movie directors making walking simulators. Indi and emulation is the way.
Console just wins 2023 & 2024
That's why I went with the 7800X3D and 7900XTX and 1000 watt PSU 80+Titanium, to save cost on both price and energy bill. If you care about fidelity of sound, visual and performance you go PC, I don't like the Glosiness of RT, makes everything look like shiny rubber. If I didn't care about fidelity, I would just go console, same reason I have $15K 7.4.6 sound system, with Emotiva Sound Processor, Amps and Speakers and not a Soundbar.
Sounds like a nice setup.
@@TerraWare Thanks