The First Descendant [4K] Nvidia RTX 4090 VS AMD RX 7900XTX - Ray Tracing, Native, DLSS, FSR.
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- Опубликовано: 31 июл 2024
- I compare my two of my best GPU's overclocked in The First Descendant at 4K. We look at the open world and a dungeon in this video cycling through graphical presets, ray tracing, native 4K resolution and FSR and DLSS.
PC SETUP:
ASUS TUF OC RTX 4090 - Graphics Card
Sapphire Nitro+ RX 7900XTX
AMD Ryzen 7 7800X 3D - 8 Core Processor
360 AIO H150i Corsair Elite Capellix
32GB 6200 mhz CL30 DDR5 Memory
ASUS ROG Strix X670E - A Gaming WiFi Motherboard
ASUS TUF Gaming 1000 Watt 80 Plus Gold ATX 3.0 Fully Modular Power Supply
1TB Samsung 980 Pro NVME SSD Operating System Drive
2TB Samsung 980 Pro NVME SSD Game Drive
Lian Li 011 Dynamic EVO PC Case
Windows 11 Pro
Nvidia Driver 556.12
Radeon Driver 24.6.1
00:00 Intro
00:37 4K Ultra Ray Tracing
01:53 4K Ultra RT OFF
02:49 4K High RT OFF
03:42 4K High DLSS and FSR
04:52 Dungeon Ray Tracing DLSS and FSR
06:14 Dungeon RT OFF DLSS and FSR
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Hi! :) You are missing one important point in this game which a German magazine discovered recently. The game actually uses HW Lumen on Nvidia and only SW Lumen on AMD because AMD has no HW units for BVH, and you can test that easily in reflections. On the AMD side, the quality is clearly only SDF quality and no shadow of the player character, whereas on the Nvidia side, you will see the quality is much higher in reflections and the player character is visible in reflections like windows and such. :)
Interesting, I will have to check this out later. Don't think I've seen this before.
Btw what's the name of the website and article I'd like to read it
I don't think this makes sense considering the AMD hardware in current-gen consoles. Those versions have hardware RT as an option which as you mentioned is gauged by the non-screen-space reflections present when that option is toggled on. SDFs don't work on skinned meshes, so it makes it easy to confirm that it's HW RT and not SW RT alone.
amd have BVH but games doesnt use LDS instructions that speed up a lot the raytracing the quality is because the denoiser nvidia implemented in dlss 3.5
Ok so I tested this briefly and it's not really true. The game uses lumen reflections with the Reflections setting on High and Ultra with a screen space layer pass on top. The lumen reflections don't look great on both brands and doesn't show players without the screen space pass.
To get the most accurate ray traced reflections you must set the Ray Tracing setting to Ultra. The difference between High and Ultra Ray Tracing setting seems to be reflections. This shows beautiful reflections including players with casting shadows as well on both AMD and Nvidia. From what I saw the reflections of players do look a bit clearer on Nvidia and enabling ray reconstruction makes it even better but this was quite a brief look. Here's a link of a short clip I put together. ruclips.net/video/GWBunxZ23rY/видео.html
I have a 6950xt and Use TSR personally it looks way better than FSR in this game. I generally put everything to Ultra, but put only Global illumination and Shadows to High. RT Off, 1440P selected in menu but with TSR at Quality mode. That is how I played most of the game and get around 120-130 FPS avg in most worlds, except a couple like the Swamp and one other later world that gets a little less performance on all systems due to the environment.
@@jrminate TSR is generally pretty good.
So you have no choice, on Amd and the chic newest soon-to-be ubiquitous UE5. Native and TSR are noisy, pixelated, and FSR is not good enough. All this is not good in comparison with the HB DLAA and most importantly with the HB feature here, the ray modifier, with which the image becomes clean and clear, on the ultras, with rt-ultra.
ill have to try TSR, with my 7900XTX it literally dips to 38-70FPs so often at 1440P even with FSR on Quality mode.
@@SASenglish Are you running RT, what Resolution and what is the full machine specs?
@@evrussia TSR looks good in a lot of ue5 games, not all but can look good. You should see his latest video the 6800xt is spanking the rtx3080 ti by a large margin in every test but only lost 1 out of the numerous tests. Only with RT on the amd 6800xt which I might add is a regular rtx 3080 competitor not the TI. approx 20-40% faster for the amd 6800xt. That dlss isn't going to help if your 1% lows are ~20-40% worse than the amd (in this game) and it will be over 50% in future ue5 games too. Nvidia has its wins too in certain games, but mostly amd does better overall in UE5.
UE5 is unique. The game is cheerful, sexy, cute, without tolerance. But here the Native and TSR give noise, pixelation. HB DLAA is good here again, with a sharpness of 2-3 and, most importantly, with the feature HB rt-reconstruct filter (ray modifier). It generally becomes more beautiful with him, the shadows are clearer, without noise. But it can eat up some of the shadows and especially some of the reflections. And Amd is weak again, although this engine is also console-based.
None of the brands are perfect. Intel 13th and 14th gen chips are weak here again too. Forums are flooded with people on i7/i9 13th and 14th gen cpus that can't get past the main menu when it loads the shaders. "out of memory errors" Most are too salty to even read up on intel news that says to update bios and put to baseline settings.
The RT off/on setting is mislabeled, at least based on the console version, which also appears to be the case in the PC version. If we base it off the console versions (PS5 & XBox Series X), you'll note that lumen (software raytracing) can't be disabled, only hardware raytracing is given this option. Judging from your footage, the same for the PC appears true. UE5 only disables software RT when GI settings are medium or below, though it's up to the developer to expose that scalability setting.
Huge lead for the 4090 with RT on. Didn't know it was using RTX tech for the ray tracing so that's good to know. From my experience the 7900XTX was playable with Ray Tracing on medium, but I turned it off anyway since it didn't seem very notticable. I put the settings on high with textures on ultra and 4k XESS Quality and that's how I mostly played the game. Frame gen also worked well but not really necessary or optimal since it's a shooter.
The game itself is also pretty decent but I think I had my fill after about 4 hours in. There's really not much to it and it's so similar to Destiny 2 that I would rather play destiny since the gameplay is a lot better there. The best thing about this game was how seamless the load times are compared to destiny. In destiny it takes so long to travel between planets or to go into missions, but in game it's just a few seconds. Unfortunately unlike destiny this game had a lot of latency for me in group activities which felt bad to play.
I see. Never played Destiny believe it or not so that's a pretty good perspective.
RTX on for me are like 45-50% fps drop at 2k idk about 4k but when you look at the game they are nothing really to show off with the rtx on atlast i tryed to find spots other then the floor in the main base i dont see to many reflections or good shadows..
@@evildarkeevildark5943 I uploaded a ray tracing focused video on the game yesterday. It's quite noticeable on the first map, the second desert map not so much. The RT reflections look pretty nice but they are limited to certain types of surfaces and areas.
The lumen reflections are trash, especially after yesterdays patch.
Só não entendi porque não habilitou o Gerador de quadros em ambas as placas, com FSR e DLSS ativo.
FSR in this game is close to the first game that had FSR 😅, almost unplayable. Hope they fix it
Yeah it should look much better than it currently does.
Dude no kidding. It looked like crap on launch. I was just playing Native with frame generation on day one. It is better now, thankfully
I know that this is a comparison video, but I miss your "optimized settings" part. Especially on the 7900xtx because the game ia so demanding and compromises are necessary to achieve 60FPS@4K.
Please introduce that part again, you are very good in it
At 2:49 is exactly what I would consider my optimized settings. It will even match a 4090 with equivalent settings. You get native 4K and the game still looks great. Shadows and Global Illumination are the most demanding graphical settings second to the Ray Tracing setting.
@TerraWare alright. So to consistently get 60 FPS, lower everything to high plus keep textures on ultra.
@@qarim350xd Yup and than you can use upscaling on top if you wanted. There's also frame generation which works pretty good.
I Noticed that 7900xtx as pulling 100 wats more than a 4090 with ray tracing holy shit man what 4090 are you using .
Asus Tuf OC. My specs are in the description.
Thats pretty much the standard behavior with the 4090. My card pulls the same numbers, well less because I've undervolted it.
You have presets on top of menu. You don't have to change manually all options.
Yup noticed it after making the vid.
7900 nice !!!
Pretty solid considering this is VS a 4090 should of thrown the 4080S to see how it stacks up especially in 4K.
Don't have a 4080 Super. 3080Ti/4090/6800XT/7900XTX only.
Funny, that turning off ray tracing didn't really change the visuals that much that you can notice without zooming in.
So much for "rtx exclussive" stuff, I guess.
@alexjensen007 It does improve ambient occlusion and shadows mostly noticeable outdoors and also a lot more accurate reflections in RT ultra but yeah nothing too crazy.
Still you pay $1700-2k for a 4090 for that FPS definitely not worth it
same performance but 1200$ more
Hey man i don't know what's going on with XeSS in this game but the Ultra Quality Plus preset is extremely buggy, and it's visually WORSE than Ultra Quality. Not sure why.
Leave alone FSR since it's just worse. Not sure what sort of implementation this is
I saw my 7900XTX doing a bit better than the 4080 S AT 4k with maxed out upscaling at quality + RT & FG on youtube benchmarks, which is decent considering AMD is worse at RT.
Mine is overclocked so could be why
I tried out High RT which feels way better for FPS and just think at Ultra it's way too low for this sort of game
Upscaling for me looks very blurry on FSR & even XESS
Another game I played, Still Wakes the deep, i thought that looks a bit bad with upscaling with TSR, that's an unreal engine 5 game, some just feel a bit too heavy for how they look
The Descendant has it's moments for good visuals but I've seen far better looking games for how heavy it can be at Ultra
honestly the game really have performance issue, so comparing these two beast is not really reflecting their overall performance
@@patorikusutaru7483 I did a very similar video to this with a 6800XT and RTX 3080Ti too
Went from testing this game on a 7900xtx and then on a 4080. The 4080 has a weird microstuttering and you're frametimes along with other youtubers frametimes show the stutter on Nvidia.
I don't see any micro stuttering issues on Nvidia. The 1% lows are consistently ahead of the AMD side except for the last segment where the XTX has a lead of 12%
Turning ray tracing to "high" gives a lot of performance
It does, dropping Shadows and GI to High from Ultra gives a decent performance gain too.
I've been doing a bit more testing. Going from High to Ultra on Ray Tracing enables RT reflections. That explains why its a bit costly but the reflections look so much better, you can even see players with self casting shadows.
Basically you have static lumen reflections that don't look great with a screen space reflections layer which will show players as well obviously but RT reflections doesnt rely on screen space.
@@TerraWare nice. Reflections is the main ray tracing thing I can somewhat care about.
@@DonovanMcNabb5 That used to be my most favorite RT effect. It still is in many ways but a good global illumination can really ad to the immersion.
But the detailed reflections seem to be limited to transparent solid surfaces like glass. Not water. Water is still lumen with a screen space reflection layer on top. May make a short vid about it as its interesting kind of.
Amd card just cannot take rt at all. Its good option if someone not into rt.
of cthey can, don't let one game decide that 😅 My second PC with a 7900 GRE can do RT in even a nvidia sponsored title that is not optimized at all, Cyberpunk. A friend of mine got the 7800 XT and he too can use RT in Cyberpunk and higher settings in Avatar.
I'm however lazy and can't bother to play this game on my main PC with 4080S, so I play it on my PS5 instead 🙃
2024, because of Amd, it is nonsense to abandon the latest correct beautiful ray graphics in games, from the latest revolutionary UE5 engine. It is better to switch to NV technologies.
@@_TrueDesire_ on a 7800xt or greater defo not. My 4070super was strugglin in 1440p which 2 times faster in rt. also on my 4080s barley can do 1440p to reach 60fps in some games
@k1cs1m3a8 I play games at 4K with my 4080S just fine 👍🏻 Ryzen 7600 and LG oled. 32GB ram pushed to 6000 Mhz (max with 1:1 ratio)
@@evrussia greatest?
not bad, given that the 4080S is a more comparable gpu to the 7900 XTX 😅
you say DLSS looks good? Look at that building at @4:18, it's so fking blurry. However i notice this game is awful for that, as soon as you move it blurs all the textures, then when you stop they sharpen again, it's so fking annoying.
Lock the fps to 60 and activate frame generation to double the frames to run at 120 FPS, my system is a Rysen 7 7700X with an RX 7800 XT, I play at 2K resolution I can play at 120 FPS, using FSR in quality mode and locking at 60 FPS and using frame generation I can get 120 FPS, without activating ray tracing.
Eh, FG has me feeling nauseous so it's definitely not a silver bullet. But if it works for you I'd definitely use it.
i have yet to see a game that i can lock on vsync and turn on frame gen at the same time.. it usually disables vsync..
@@turboimport95 You would only use vsync to stay within your monitor refresh rate. What you want to do is limit your FPS to half your refresh (60 for 120, 120 for 240) and use FG to make up the rest of the frames for your monitor refreshrate.
I wouldn't turn on vsync because there's possibly an input latency increase, you should instead limit your fps either in game or with a third party app.
@@Accuaro yeah would have to use a app to do it. i run 60 at 4k so i never use upscaling or dlss etc. 60 plays very nice to me. i dont need 100+ fps in a game.
tbh, Games barely look any better than they did 7 years ago, All these useless little technologies being piled into the game that suck GPU power for very little gain is stupid.. a 4090 struggling to run this game at a solid 60 when it literally looks no different to a game from 7 years ago that a GTX1080Ti would handle at 100+FPS. Back when Games did not rely on DLSS / FSR to account for poor dev optimisation.
Dismal performance the unreal engine is absolute garbage has been a stuttering mess since ue4 now it stutters and has terrible performance with ue5
AMD 90% less performance and 40% more power 💩
7900xtx costs half the money of a 4090 and it performs better than a 4080 (they're almost the same price). Power consumption is the same as a 4090.
@@TheAtomoh Yes, yes, but what Amd is better at is interesting. A total drain in graphic new technologies, correct real lighting, correct drivers, power consumption, streaming, virtual helmets, in newfangled AI, which is the future, and in the revolutionary UE5, which comes to games everywhere. Total drain in professional tasks. Therefore, Amd has less than 20% of the market on the table. Have you forgotten anything?)
@@evrussia Why the bickering, just play your games. The only nvidia gpu I would personally go with is the 4090 or bust. If I want to find a more value oriented gpu and not care about all these features and still get high FPS I would get something like a 7900XT. You need to realize not everyone needs or wants all of these features. What if you are a competitive gamer and want to get the most bang for your buck and want the highest fps possible to price ratio. You would shoot for a 7900XT. Why, because for competitive gaming you shoot for highest fps possible with 1080 or 1440p max with no Ray Tracing or Frame gen. 7900XT is a lot cheaper than the rtx 4080, you can use that money else where on the build.
Do you understand that all Radeon cards are not capable for next gen games? Ehm next gen is here from the beginning of 2024. Get an RTX and be happy😊
@@WhatTheGame-nd4vh 7900 is the 4080 level, and that's the level without rays. And playing modern games without real ray correct lighting \ soft shading \ reflections, according to old raster technologies, is nonsense, for the present time of development. Definitely not worth the price for 7900. And Amd technologies work even worse than dlaa\dlss, filter-reconstruct and generator. And those who buy 4080\4090 cards, they definitely do not need to save money for something else in the system unit. They've already bought everything.