This is what happens when trucks keep getting bigger and bigger. You then need commensurately bigger tires, more ground clearance to make up for the additional weight and size. Meanwhile shorter wheelbase (and lighter) off road vehicles like the Wrangler, 4Runner, X-terra tackle the same obstacles without risking their underbellies.
Yeah, I would say the new GM mid sized trucks are the size of full size trucks from 20 years ago. A 2dr wrangler on 33" tires will go lots of places that the Raptor can't go. I bet you a 1980's toyota 4x4 would go right over that saw tooth obstacle no problem.
It's a different type of offroading. These trucks where made for the high & low desert not tight apline mountain trails. I gotta say it's nice when you take the Raptor overlanding maybe you want to go camp 100 miles back in the wilderness & the Raptor can very casually cruise there at freeway speeds fully loaded down with gear. It's also nice having a vehicle that can give you the fun you want to have jumping, drifting, triple digit speeds offroad *without any speed limits or cops.*
Both could be the cause of reducing fuel efficiency, so do it yourself if you need extra roadability, changing tires and bumper are not so difficult customization.😁
The new Sequoia has all the same issues this Tundra does. The Sequoia TRD Pro has less ground clearance than a Subaru Wilderness... Its just a joke. The new Tacoma doesn't hang with the new Ranger Raptor or Colorado ZR2. Toyota is not building anything to rival the competition.
So is Toyota make their vehicles less off-road capable? That would be honestly sad if that’s the case like the Tacoma for example was like an S tier truck that just absolutely kicked everybody’s ass when it came to off roading.
@@PeakDeclinehaters hate. The Subaru isn't in the same category as the Sequoia. The new Sequoia has more ground clearance than the Chevy Suburban. The Tacoma will still sell like hotcakes, the Tacoma will own the others just because of better gas mileage. FYI - my Tundra gets better gas mileage than the Colorado or Ranger, those two pickups are a joke.
@@JIPlatium The Sequoia having less ground clearance than a crossover is awful. There's no excuses. And we're talking off-road capability. The Ranger Raptor and Colorado ZR2 are in a league above anything Toyota offers in the US. They have much more ground clearance. Better approach and breakover angles. They have more suspension travel. They have better shocks. They have front differential locks. So take your hybrid. I don't care about that. I care about off-road capability and Toyota simply isn't keeping up with the competition.
I have a 2019 Tundra TRD Pro and have been on a number of trails in Arkansas Ozarks. These trails are often very tight, overgrown with foliage and difficult to navigate in a full size truck. Raptors are very popular here but, I have yet to see one on any off-road venture. I see more Jeeps and Tacoma's than anything else. Is the Raptor worth $40K more than the Tundra? - I think not. The real question should be: are either of these vehicles worth $70-110K? For me, the answer is a hard NO!
Because most raptor/pro owners are at Walmart or the mall in that rig, talking about resale value and what not. Edit- hell, you owning a pro, even being out and about in the shit, is not often seen. Not here anyway. (Utah) We are out thrashing , and running for a adventure, and they are at home, washing it, bitching about stupid shit, and putting 93 octane in their rig to get them to McDonald’s
I can't imagine off roading a full sized rig. Sometimes I feel like my JLU is almost too big. These trucks are a foot wider, taller, and about 50% longer.
@@jeffk464 oh I know. Buddy of mine has a crew cab F350 with the 8 foot bed. Parking for him is a chore. I've been in the truck with him when he does it and it's... Interesting.
@@96kylar Mine is the only full size truck I have seen on these offroad trails. Due to width, I doubt the Raptor would ever make it down the trails I frequent.
Yeah when Roman said "$40k in upgrades gets you 3 feet" and I was just like "I have less than $50k in my JLU Sport S _including the purchase price_ and it would walk up all these obstacles." I know you literally cannot compare a full sized truck to a mid sized SUV, but I'm honestly wondering who on earth is taking full sized, crew cab trucks rock crawling?
True but I’m sure people to the people can afford a Raptor R money isn’t a issue so they don’t care wasting the $50K extra for the better truck and still dumping money on it to upgrade it
*Isn't the point of the Raptor for higher speeds desert racing?* I never figured it's advantage was for slower 4x4 trails. So anything it does good on the trails and rock climbing is a bonus.
@TheMunch520 Yeah they are wide beasts for sure. I have a 4 seat Can Am Turbo R The long travel makes it so I can fly down trails at 35MPH where non long travel side by sides do maybe 15MPH and Jeeps do 5MPH. But the long wheel base makes it hard to make tight turns.
I’m looking to get the 25’ Tundra TRD PRO. I like the trim vs other Tundra trims. I don’t go off-road or anything crazy, just looking for a family hauler and some use of the bed. It’s cool to have extra capabilities, but I don’t need a Raptor for extra $40k. The Tundra is more than enough. Test drove the Platinum trim today and it was nice, even with the base engine it had a lot of power. This will be my first truck.
Glad to finally hear the reliability of the Raptor. No its not a Toyota level of reliability but it is a damn reliable truck...over built everywhere. 140,000 miles and no issues for a gen 2. But this is before these absolute ABSURD prices... no way is EITHER worth the cost!
A market is defined by what people are willing to buy. If no one buys, prices go down or the product doesn't exist. Apparently, a lot of people believe these trucks are worth the price.
@@cesarpalmos8235not true, a lot of people are willing to put 1000/mo for 72mo. There is a difference between “what people will pay” and “what people will finance”
@@trailrunnah8886 Some statistics show the F-150 Ecoboost or Powerboost having high reliability and quality scores than a comparable Toyota. The new turbos appear to be failing an I've also heard of some transmission glitches.
You have to look at it from a logical standpoint, they can't keep trucks for ten years. You also have to keep things in perspective, look how long the defender lasted. They had a check engine light the first time out. Of course 55,000 isn't that much, but everything's relative.
My Favorite part was while on saw tooth how he opened the door inches away from solid rock but it got better when he had enough clearance to back out without a scratch & the steering wheel Automatically turned completely to the rite! Total tools. SMH
In the end, whether the Raptor is worth the extra $40K depends on your individual preferences and priorities. If you're seeking top-tier performance, advanced features, and brand recognition, the Raptor R might be the right choice. However, if you're looking for a capable off-road truck with a more budget-friendly option, the Tundra TRD Pro could be a great fit. Test-driving both models and considering your specific needs will help you make an informed decision.
For 40k more I sure do hope the Raptor R gives me a lot more goodies especially compared to the TRD Pro that is aimed at the Tremor. I do have to say I wished Toyota did a little more with the Tundra like more axle clearance, different bumper and bigger tires. Especially seeing how well they did on the Tacoma TRD Pro but it makes sense cos they sell a lot more Tacomas than Tundras
This isn’t the best comparison. The raptor is not a rock crawler it is a high speed desert truck. Put both these trucks in Johnson valley and the raptor would smoke the tundra. 80mph runs in the desert and that tundra would be in pieces.
I'm really a fan of Toyota because they do engineer their vehicles more for longevity than most other auto companies and I prefer to spend my hard earned money on something built for life. That being said, i really think the current tacomas, the current tundras, and the current sequoias are a big miss for Toyota and I wouldn't buy any of them. The upcoming tacoma looks like a return to form so far and after seeing how good the new Land cruiser looks, I have high hopes for thw next 4runner.
@@jamisonz3365 It's just not very practical...There is a lot more rear cargo space in the 4runner, in fact, if you lay all of the seats down in both, the current 5th gen 4runner has a lot more cargo space overall. So really, with the Sequoia, you can carry some people or some cargo, but not both as well. If you don't need this big of a vehicle, I'd get the 4runner, if you do, it'd be hard to buy this over a Tahoe or Expedition.
@sullivanl3305 I wish it were, Toyota made the decision to " americanize it" Canada gets the same. I've ever considered going to Mexico & buying one. But I haven't looked to see if it's legal.
I loved seeing the 1st Gen Tundra pulling a camper/trailer. Within the first 3 mins of the video! Those 1st Gens never die. They’re all over the place! Look for them, and you’ll probably see one daily.
@@diesel6916Yes. Although my frame looks brand new still, it wasn't all the frames lol. And the truck has only ever needed regular maintenance and currently sits at 400,000km
@@diesel6916 only some of them rotted. Toyota didn’t recognize the use of salt for wintertime environments in their production program. Lots of vehicles met their demise because of this practice. ….but they replaced the frames of damaged vehicles due to unforeseen rot.
The other number, besides MPG, that you should look at is Miles per Dollar. Premium vs Regular. That will make a big difference, too. It looks like about $9 more for the Raptor in the 74 miles.
You're buying a raptor let alone a raptor R, and worried about gas you have no business considering it, and probably little to no free time to be off roading. You should be working.
18:58 I like how Andre is telling Roman what the Tundra needs to make it a better offroader. Then, Roman proceeds to talk about towing ability like it has any relevancy to what they were talking about or the topic of the video. Time to up your dosage on your meds Roman because the current prescription is not cutting it.
Good video. I think the only real question is how important is either vehicle to their respective companies? How important is Tundra to Toyota? Not very. It's a regional vehicle that is largely an afterthought. How important is F-150 to Ford? Is any company's success more tied to one vehicle than Ford to F-150? Ford needs some version of the F-150 to be tops at every level of the truck world. So they are willing to build the most extreme version of their truck. Hence the Raptor, and then the Raptor R. Toyota, I think, is selling either a starting point to modify, or an image. You can build a Raptor further, but the idea is that it's pretty much good to go from the factory. It should also be pointed out that this test was pretty strongly tilted to the Raptor 's strengths (rock crawling). Would the difference be as big desert running? I think the Raptor still wins, but it would be... closer. The Raptor is the halo vehicle, the Tundra isn't. The only chance for Tundra to win is for it to be a race with no refueling allowed. As you say, a "fun" video, not a serious comparison. Cheers.
Underrated comment. Mike sweers said it years back that they never intended to compete with the domestics in the same capacity and just making a good truck that's affordable and works was enough for them (Toyota). Ford, GM and Ram would disappear overnight if they didnt have their 1500 trucks. Hence the large budget afforded to them. And let's be real, asides from their trucks the quality of product sold by the big 3 in other segments is not great. Toyota maintains that same degree of quality across all lineups. Whereas if you compared the care and quality used between a ford escape and an f150 it would be night and day. Toyota doesn't need the Tundra to make them money. Still a great truck tho
You have it backwards. The Raptor is built for high speed desert running, not rock crawling. If anything, the difference in capabilities between the two would be even more pronounced were they to be compared in such a scenario. The Tremor is the “rock crawler” of the F150 lineup, which is why you see so many people in the comments here saying that they would’ve liked to have seen them compare the Tremor to the TRD Pro instead of the Raptor.
Okay, so I'm sure it's been commented before, but you guys need to redo this video with identically sized tires. 37" tires do not cost $40K. Also, it would be interesting to see what that size tire would do to the Tundras MPG. Curious if 37's would fit under the tundra without modifications. I imagine that in this video's application with the same tires/ground clearance, the TRD would be as capable as the raptor. I've seen other videos of Toyotas "crawl control " and it looks pretty convincing.
If I’m up to get a raptor for me it will be the “regular” EB, maybe the 37 version that possibly could be much more lighter because of the physical engine size (v6 with two turbos x v8 with supercharger) plus the v8 only drinks premium
Funny how they said the Raptors have been good for 60k miles. Toyota is known to be broken in at around 150k miles. I've seen plenty of Toyotas with original parts close to million miles.
rock sliders would’ve solved those rocks. I also think those side steps on the raptor would’ve held up just fine. If you can afford the raptor I assume you could get some rock sliders and maybe a little more armor underneath. No need to mess with ride height or tires. You’re always going to have some kind of damage when off-roading. It’s inevitable
Andrei said recently, 'What is it about this truck?', in reference to the TUNDRA TRD PRO. I'm going to answer that. It's in need of taller tires. I have a question of my own. Why do either of you know why Ford is the king of trucks? They will forever bring them to their maximum development. They'll additionally go to the maximum distance with that development. It's what Ray Liotta said when he played with Kevin Costner in the movie called Field Of Dreams. If you build it, he will come. Who will come? His movie father, who was played by Dwier Brown. Of all the baseball movies, this one is my absolute favorite.
Maybe I missed it, but if it was 40 miles to the trailhead (and presumably the same distance back), how did the miles driven end up under 80 for the MPG test?
Not sure why full size trucks, Toyota TRD PRO, don't offer the tires to tackle the big stuff. At least 35's. 20MPG for the Tundra! Nice. Great Video guys...
Because most that buy it, are hopin curbes at the mall. I’ve never seen one on the trail. Ever. Edit- even pro 4 runners,… it’s us off-road and sr5 guys that actually use the rig.
Fuel economy standards. Guys are out here putting 35s on stock TRD Pros (only have to remove mud flaps for clearance, apparently). A factory option for it would be nice but hurts the fuel economy. Anyone who really wants them can purchase them in the aftermarket, anyway. That's a smart strategy - make a truck that can take 35s with minimal or no mods and then let people do what they will with it, and reap the benefits of the better average fleet fuel economy.
If you pay $70k+ for a Tundra or $110,000k+ for a Raptor but you cannot pay your credit card statement in full each month, and or you take them four-wheeling, it's not the trucks that should be evaluated, it's your inability to make wise decisions that should be scrutinized.
Agreed! Also if people would quit financing these insanely overpriced vehicles the prices would go down to what they are actually worth. We need to stop giving so much power to dealers just because you want a new car every 2 years lol. But yeah anyone paying this much for a vehicle (Or a liability) is completely brain dead.
And I’d not tell anyone how they spend their own money, regardless if they are full stupid. Not to mention, how does someone making shit money get approved for the loan in the first place? I’d start there than bitching about what people want to do with their own money/life.
Are you ever going to try Storm Mountain, I have been up it in my stock 85 GMC? This trail changes every year, sometimes 2 to 4 times a year depending upon weather.
I can't believe that Tundra didn't burst into flames. That plastic fuel line recall is no joke. Yet blind Toyota fan boys will say it's not a big deal but if it was any other manufacturer they would say quality issues. Classic blind Toyota people don't see what's actually happening. Look at those terrible panel gaps. It's a piece of junk.
It's one of the reasons why I've started to hate JDM culture and cars. We've owned American, Japanese, Korean and European cars. Beyond the European cars being kinda shit, the rest were all pretty similar in terms of reliability. Yet, I always hear how Toyota is perfect and everything else is terrible, it's simply not true.
The answer is yes, adding long travel suspension, gearing, front locker, 37s, +300hp to a Tundra will cost more than 40k without a warranty. If you can get the raptor for MSRP, its a bargain.
A Tacoma would be better off-road than either of these since it actually fits on most trails and has much better approach, break over and departure angles.
Really amusing video, specially liked the parts where trucks meet their limit. Maybe you guys should have a pile of cash on hand to put under the trucks to cushion them. Probably would be cheaper in the long run.
@@The-fs5wn For those that don’t know the Predator is the Ford supercharged 5.2. And yeah, great engine. Arguably superior to any V-shaped engine Toyota has ever built.
Raptor R's haven't been around long enough to speak of their reliability. What has is 1st gen Raptors that are proving to last over 200k miles, 2nd gen Raptors that are only old enough to be proven at 150k miles & 2012 & older GT500's which are also supercharged & are proving to last 200k miles. Actually there's a video of a 2012 GT500 with 186k miles on YT putting down the exact same dyno numbers as they made brand new which is FK'n amazing. All of the modern American supercharged V8's are very reliable at high mileage the Hellcats, the older GT500's, & the LS9's, LSA's & LT4's from Chevy. I expect the Predator motor to be no different it & the LT5 in the ZR1 are the best American performance engines in the business to go in a factory vehicle.
Are we supposed to buy truck to never scratch them? I get that they’re probably leased or given to them to try out but I figured if I go on rock trails, I’m going to get dinged up and scratched. Also, I’m not going to go rock climbing with stock tires.
I own a new tundra. Not nearly enough ground clearance for serious off-roading. Great truck though, love mine. Would love to see you put the TRD lift kit on it.
Since I haul more than rock crawl etc., I opted for the F-250 Tremor. I get a lot of smiles per gallon. I still want a V8 Raptor… maybe that’ll be my next truck in a few years.
It is so amazing how 4WD trucks just keep getting lower and lower with less ground clearance. Cars from a few decades ago have more ground clearance than 4WD trucks today. Fuel economy standards and emission requirements have taken a lot of fun out of our vehicles here in the U.S.
Did not seem like anyone was comfortable driving the Tundra. All these drive modes that these trucks come with. Power Wagon has one drive mode, CONQUER.
1st, great video as always. 2nd, I don't think anyone can talk about Toyota's reliability seeing how this is a all new Toyota, the old Toyota's with the 4.7 or 5.7 then absolutely they can talk because those things proved themselves over & over.
Toyota has a better chance at being the better truck in the reliability category. Don't believe me? Ask Ford's executive board that is upset over quality issues.
@JIPlatium I can believe it, Toyota has always been very reliable, if not the most. Most of the time there's bugs in anything new that's got to be worked out. Toyota will definitely do that if there are any. So calm down. I wasn't saying anything bad about Toyota's. They are good vehicle's, if not the best, they are really close.
I'll take the TRD Pro and put 37s, a small lift, and a new front bumpers on it. I'd drive away with a smile and a bucket-load of cash in the passenger seat.
Bigger tires and clean approach and departure angles wins out off road every time. The Tacoma made it very clear @9:17 why the "viper" cut on 4Runners is so important.
I don't know why, but the Tundra sounds like an old Pirate ship that has been out in the sea for 20 years. So much creaking and moaning it's ridiculous.
@mikek5298 I guess I missed the part where I said I owned either one. I fail to see the point of your comment. For $40,000 extra, you get plenty to make it worth your while, not least of which is owning something that's actually desirable. I'm yawning just saying the words "TRD Pro."
I'm so sick of hearing about Toyota reliability! That is such a Urban myth started back in the 80s, I have several friends with Toyota trucks and I can tell you right now they have had way more major issues than I ever had with any of my Ford's that I have owned throughout the years. For a example I had never had a camshaft replaced under warranty, never had a frame replaced under warranty, never had a transmission replaced under warranty and never had a abs control module replaced under warranty on a Ford I own and don't get me started about the cheap cracking plastics on the inside of the Toyotas when they get older.... guess my friends had rare Toyota lemons 😂😮
I have never seen a tundra on the side of the road. You sound more salty than anything. Iv seen many many chevys, fords, and rams broken down and/or being towed
This trail is a great example of WHY Ford and otehr 4x4 off-roader makers MUST change over to high-hub wheels (i.e. similar to what the H1 Hummer Alpha and Militray Humvee trucks use) for driving the tires up and over everything! Get that transfer case and all wheel sub-structure OUT OF THE WAY of the ground! With a High-Hub wheel and drive-train design, you could get 16 to 24 inches of ground clearance! Add in telescoping tube-within-a-tube Fox Active Suspension Shocks and total clearance could be a FULL METRE or more (36 inches+ !!!). V
Never put less than premium in SD 6.2L (not Tremor). Started using it for towing, but mileage is better and engine runs great on premium. I've gotten 550 highway miles from my 34 gal tank averaging 16.17mpg with room to spare another 30+ miles (not towing). And still get much better milage when towing 7k than my friend's SD diesel (tho he is pulling 10k).
Yeah even people on the regular Raptor forums complain about the fuel and put regular in theirs… the amount of people who truly can’t afford the vehicles they have is staggering.
@@Hunter-nb5bjthey put regular in it, because it doesn’t matter for most (elevation). If 93 is good why not 101? Or race alcohol race fuel ?? Must be better right ?
@@Hunter-nb5bjI paid cash $71k for my 2nd gen Raptor even paid cash $74k for the C7 Z06 in the PFP. I run 87 in the Raptor from time to time. Makes a lot of sense on long trips where it's all cruise control & having the computer cut some power is never noticed. Does that mean I can't afford my vehicles?
Tundras like the Tacomas are made to be modified. Easily, not always. The front and rear bumpers require a decent amount of cutting to fit aftermarket steel bumpers but its worth it. 35s, 3" lift, steel bumpers and that Tundra could have done all the obstacles touching little. That said neither is meant for rock crawling and both will get damaged (even if modified) if they are used to rock crawl on a regular basis. Taco, 4Runner and now the new Land Cruiser would be much better crawlers. A mod'd LC will be fun to watch the rocks.
Toyotas definitely NEED to be modified, but Toyota doesn't really give you a lot of room to do so. Look at the current generation 4Runner and the third generation Tacoma, you need to chop pieces off of the frame in order to properly fit even a 33 inch tire on them.
@@CamoShirt well when it comes to hybrid models Toyota arguably has the best hybrids. My comment was referring to toyota and ford in general. American cars just aren’t made to last, period. It’s just a fact. Toyota/Lexus, Honda/Acura, are overall just better vehicles made to last. I’ve owned both ford and Toyotas as well as Chevys. American manufacturers only care about quarterly stock returns and sales and not how long it’ll last. If people step away from their brand loyalty they’ll be able to see that glaring fact. People may prefer a particular brand and that’s fine, but they’re just not gonna last as long. It’s extremely funny how blindly loyal some people are to the brands they like. The marketing department gets their moneys worth that’s for sure!!
That may have been true with the previous generation Tundra that thing was a tank. But this one has a long way to go to prove itself, there has been a lot of problems with them
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I'd like to see the f-150 Tremor put up against the TRD pro.
The TRD is only built for the Road 😂
Tremor will at least have Tow hooks lol
I bet the Tremor would kick the Tundra's behind in such an environment.The Tundra TRD-pro is just for looks.😂
I bet the Tremor would kick the Tundra's behind in such an environment.The Tundra TRD-pro is just for looks.😂
Tremor will dominate the Tundra
This is what happens when trucks keep getting bigger and bigger. You then need commensurately bigger tires, more ground clearance to make up for the additional weight and size. Meanwhile shorter wheelbase (and lighter) off road vehicles like the Wrangler, 4Runner, X-terra tackle the same obstacles without risking their underbellies.
Yeah, I would say the new GM mid sized trucks are the size of full size trucks from 20 years ago. A 2dr wrangler on 33" tires will go lots of places that the Raptor can't go. I bet you a 1980's toyota 4x4 would go right over that saw tooth obstacle no problem.
Like for the Xterra. Miss that thing. Had a Pro-4X.
Well, all major brands still have mid-seized trucks that don't have those problems the way full sized trucks do.
It's a different type of offroading. These trucks where made for the high & low desert not tight apline mountain trails. I gotta say it's nice when you take the Raptor overlanding maybe you want to go camp 100 miles back in the wilderness & the Raptor can very casually cruise there at freeway speeds fully loaded down with gear. It's also nice having a vehicle that can give you the fun you want to have jumping, drifting, triple digit speeds offroad *without any speed limits or cops.*
@jeffk464 that's because a raptor is made for baja and trails. Jeeps are trail only. Also your looking at massive different wheelbase.
Tundra Pro needs bigger tires, more clearance and different front bumper.
So, a redesign. I’m completely with ya. Things a brick , and a turd.
Both could be the cause of reducing fuel efficiency, so do it yourself if you need extra roadability, changing tires and bumper are not so difficult customization.😁
But you can overland all day at the mall in the tundra
Don't forget about those tow hooks
@@derrickschultz6871 you mean tie-down points for shipping that they just left on instead of removing them like previse years.
Finally trails are back....more trails less ranch, love this one.
less drag racing
The ranch driving is so dumb lol
Ah drag racing is fun to
Definitely prefer the trail videos
Agreed. Trails > Tumbleweed.
But don’t take away my truck drags.
It's sad. Toyota nailed the new sequoia, the new Tacoma, and the new land cruiser... but man, I struggle to like that tundra...
The new Sequoia has all the same issues this Tundra does. The Sequoia TRD Pro has less ground clearance than a Subaru Wilderness... Its just a joke. The new Tacoma doesn't hang with the new Ranger Raptor or Colorado ZR2. Toyota is not building anything to rival the competition.
So is Toyota make their vehicles less off-road capable? That would be honestly sad if that’s the case like the Tacoma for example was like an S tier truck that just absolutely kicked everybody’s ass when it came to off roading.
@@PeakDeclinehaters hate. The Subaru isn't in the same category as the Sequoia. The new Sequoia has more ground clearance than the Chevy Suburban. The Tacoma will still sell like hotcakes, the Tacoma will own the others just because of better gas mileage. FYI - my Tundra gets better gas mileage than the Colorado or Ranger, those two pickups are a joke.
@@JIPlatium The Sequoia having less ground clearance than a crossover is awful. There's no excuses. And we're talking off-road capability. The Ranger Raptor and Colorado ZR2 are in a league above anything Toyota offers in the US. They have much more ground clearance. Better approach and breakover angles. They have more suspension travel. They have better shocks. They have front differential locks. So take your hybrid. I don't care about that. I care about off-road capability and Toyota simply isn't keeping up with the competition.
And I don’t care for any of them. (New)
I have a 2019 Tundra TRD Pro and have been on a number of trails in Arkansas Ozarks. These trails are often very tight, overgrown with foliage and difficult to navigate in a full size truck. Raptors are very popular here but, I have yet to see one on any off-road venture. I see more Jeeps and Tacoma's than anything else. Is the Raptor worth $40K more than the Tundra? - I think not. The real question should be: are either of these vehicles worth $70-110K? For me, the answer is a hard NO!
Because most raptor/pro owners are at Walmart or the mall in that rig, talking about resale value and what not.
Edit- hell, you owning a pro, even being out and about in the shit, is not often seen. Not here anyway. (Utah)
We are out thrashing , and running for a adventure, and they are at home, washing it, bitching about stupid shit, and putting 93 octane in their rig to get them to McDonald’s
I can't imagine off roading a full sized rig. Sometimes I feel like my JLU is almost too big. These trucks are a foot wider, taller, and about 50% longer.
@@backwoodstherapy They also kind of suck to park at Walmart
@@jeffk464 oh I know. Buddy of mine has a crew cab F350 with the 8 foot bed. Parking for him is a chore. I've been in the truck with him when he does it and it's... Interesting.
@@96kylar Mine is the only full size truck I have seen on these offroad trails. Due to width, I doubt the Raptor would ever make it down the trails I frequent.
$50k difference here in Canada. That's a truckloat of upgrades. This is actually worse than comparing a base Corolla to the best Mustang.
So true! But hate to say it the corolla will be worth more than the Mustang in the near future! Hey from Alberta
Yeah when Roman said "$40k in upgrades gets you 3 feet" and I was just like "I have less than $50k in my JLU Sport S _including the purchase price_ and it would walk up all these obstacles." I know you literally cannot compare a full sized truck to a mid sized SUV, but I'm honestly wondering who on earth is taking full sized, crew cab trucks rock crawling?
Really most of the issues the TRD had could be solved with bigger tires and skid plates.
True but I’m sure people to the people can afford a Raptor R money isn’t a issue so they don’t care wasting the $50K extra for the better truck and still dumping money on it to upgrade it
That's a Nissan Pro4x in Canadian dollars. A whole spare truck!
I am a Toyota fan (I own 3) but throughly disappointed in what Toyota did (or did not do) with the new generation Tundra.
Why are you lying about owning Toyota or fan of Toyota
Explain?
You mean getting rid of the V-8?
@@BrewBlasterthat was definitely a huge FU , I’ll take a 5.7 over a multi turbo 6 cyl bla bla , nothing pulls and works better than a V8
@@deborahchesser7375I agree
*Isn't the point of the Raptor for higher speeds desert racing?*
I never figured it's advantage was for slower 4x4 trails.
So anything it does good on the trails and rock climbing is a bonus.
No, how many humans are out dessert racing... c'mon guy.
Yeah but the amount of travel Raptor, TRX, etc have are great for some crawling situations (if the trail is wide enough)
@TheMunch520 Yeah they are wide beasts for sure.
I have a 4 seat Can Am Turbo R
The long travel makes it so I can fly down trails at 35MPH where non long travel side by sides do maybe 15MPH and Jeeps do 5MPH.
But the long wheel base makes it hard to make tight turns.
@@4literIFS trucks are horrible for crawling. Even highly modified ones like a Raptor.
How much fast can u go in a desert.
Why not go with a regular raptor, which is a better side by side comparison
The Tremor would be more apples to apples.
The Toyota honestly sucks. This gen Tundra blows. The Tremor wouldn’t compete, either.
Because these are the most powerful trucks from the two companies. And tbh the Toyota didn’t do bad.
@wint_62 It’s more technologically advanced, more powerful, and more reliable (well, ish). So what makes it so bad?
Like it would matter lol😂
Ford owns the trucking world give me the Ford !!!
I’m looking to get the 25’ Tundra TRD PRO. I like the trim vs other Tundra trims. I don’t go off-road or anything crazy, just looking for a family hauler and some use of the bed. It’s cool to have extra capabilities, but I don’t need a Raptor for extra $40k. The Tundra is more than enough. Test drove the Platinum trim today and it was nice, even with the base engine it had a lot of power. This will be my first truck.
It's funny how Roman just drives and Andre says every single thing he is doing. 😂
Glad to finally hear the reliability of the Raptor. No its not a Toyota level of reliability but it is a damn reliable truck...over built everywhere. 140,000 miles and no issues for a gen 2. But this is before these absolute ABSURD prices... no way is EITHER worth the cost!
A market is defined by what people are willing to buy. If no one buys, prices go down or the product doesn't exist. Apparently, a lot of people believe these trucks are worth the price.
@@cesarpalmos8235not true, a lot of people are willing to put 1000/mo for 72mo. There is a difference between “what people will pay” and “what people will finance”
Thing is, with these new drivetrains in the Toyotas, nobody really knows what Toyota reliability will be going forward.
@@trailrunnah8886 Some statistics show the F-150 Ecoboost or Powerboost having high reliability and quality scores than a comparable Toyota. The new turbos appear to be failing an I've also heard of some transmission glitches.
I’d say the new tundra reliability is the same or even worse than the raptor. Prior gen was bulletproof
they lost me at "we have the 2014 Raptor that lasted 55K miles" lol
I was thinking that too. they’ve never really tested longevity of their “long term” test vehicles. 3 years is not longevity.
@@JonBecker81it is in today’s times with all the problems new vehicles have.
lasted 55K miles because they sold it for the 2017
You have to look at it from a logical standpoint, they can't keep trucks for ten years. You also have to keep things in perspective, look how long the defender lasted. They had a check engine light the first time out. Of course 55,000 isn't that much, but everything's relative.
Yeah that’s a year and half for me
While I do love all the members of the channel. This duo is unmatched for me, love watching these two together!
Andre is so annoying to me
My Favorite part was while on saw tooth how he opened the door inches away from solid rock but it got better when he had enough clearance to back out without a scratch & the steering wheel Automatically turned completely to the rite! Total tools. SMH
Toyota fanboy.
I really wish the Silverado ZR2 had stuck around for a little longer and more was done with it. It would've been a perfect addition to this review
Based on what I'm hearing about the specs and price of the Tundra TRD Pro, I think it would be awesome if you could pit it against the Silverado ZR2.
I’d think we need to let the three big dually’s try there luck on an off road course like this. Would be interesting
& very entertaining 😂
Their
why would anyone take real truck offloading???? HDs have way different purposes
Sounds hilarious!!
If you want to look at the price, just get the regular Raptor 37, this trail doesnt require the V8 unlike a desert run
In the end, whether the Raptor is worth the extra $40K depends on your individual preferences and priorities. If you're seeking top-tier performance, advanced features, and brand recognition, the Raptor R might be the right choice. However, if you're looking for a capable off-road truck with a more budget-friendly option, the Tundra TRD Pro could be a great fit. Test-driving both models and considering your specific needs will help you make an informed decision.
Well said except I don’t think fords brand image is holding up as well as Toyotas nowadays.
For 40k more I sure do hope the Raptor R gives me a lot more goodies especially compared to the TRD Pro that is aimed at the Tremor. I do have to say I wished Toyota did a little more with the Tundra like more axle clearance, different bumper and bigger tires. Especially seeing how well they did on the Tacoma TRD Pro but it makes sense cos they sell a lot more Tacomas than Tundras
They sell more because they are cheaper genius.
The internet is such a wonderful place.
Needs to be lifted
This isn’t the best comparison. The raptor is not a rock crawler it is a high speed desert truck. Put both these trucks in Johnson valley and the raptor would smoke the tundra. 80mph runs in the desert and that tundra would be in pieces.
Aguante Ford lejos la mejor marca Americana y del Mundo
I'm really a fan of Toyota because they do engineer their vehicles more for longevity than most other auto companies and I prefer to spend my hard earned money on something built for life.
That being said, i really think the current tacomas, the current tundras, and the current sequoias are a big miss for Toyota and I wouldn't buy any of them.
The upcoming tacoma looks like a return to form so far and after seeing how good the new Land cruiser looks, I have high hopes for thw next 4runner.
What's wrong with the current Sequioa?
@@jamisonz3365 It's just not very practical...There is a lot more rear cargo space in the 4runner, in fact, if you lay all of the seats down in both, the current 5th gen 4runner has a lot more cargo space overall.
So really, with the Sequoia, you can carry some people or some cargo, but not both as well. If you don't need this big of a vehicle, I'd get the 4runner, if you do, it'd be hard to buy this over a Tahoe or Expedition.
@@jamisonjamisonx Is there a reason the Hilux isn't sold in the US? Owning one would solve all the issues you have.
@sullivanl3305 I wish it were, Toyota made the decision to " americanize it" Canada gets the same. I've ever considered going to Mexico & buying one. But I haven't looked to see if it's legal.
The new Tacoma TRD Pro & Trailhunter will rock out this trail easily!
I loved seeing the 1st Gen Tundra pulling a camper/trailer. Within the first 3 mins of the video!
Those 1st Gens never die. They’re all over the place! Look for them, and you’ll probably see one daily.
Is that the one the frame rotted off?
@@diesel6916The one's Toyota replaced or bought out, Good luck getting chevy to repair their rusty POS
@@atodaso1668 So it was Gen 1
@@diesel6916Yes. Although my frame looks brand new still, it wasn't all the frames lol. And the truck has only ever needed regular maintenance and currently sits at 400,000km
@@diesel6916 only some of them rotted.
Toyota didn’t recognize the use of salt for wintertime environments in their production program. Lots of vehicles met their demise because of this practice.
….but they replaced the frames of damaged vehicles due to unforeseen rot.
Thank you for filming in 4k. Great video 👍
The other number, besides MPG, that you should look at is Miles per Dollar. Premium vs Regular. That will make a big difference, too. It looks like about $9 more for the Raptor in the 74 miles.
You're buying a raptor let alone a raptor R, and worried about gas you have no business considering it, and probably little to no free time to be off roading. You should be working.
Larry Chen converted a tundra to a raptor and it cost over 50,000. With that, 40,000 more is a good deal.
Can we see how the Tundra compares if it has enough stuff, like bigger wheels, to match the price of the Raptor?
18:58
I like how Andre is telling Roman what the Tundra needs to make it a better offroader. Then, Roman proceeds to talk about towing ability like it has any relevancy to what they were talking about or the topic of the video.
Time to up your dosage on your meds Roman because the current prescription is not cutting it.
I’ve seen people put the new Sequoia front end on the new Tundra, which looks much better. Tundra needs an update asap.
I never understood comparing two trucks without using the same brand and type of tires, even if they are different sizes.
Sadly, Toyota discontinued the Tundra after the 2021 model year. RIP Tundra 😢
Yeah that 2021 tundra pro with no crawl control 12 mpg and no blind spot monitor was a real competitive truck 👀
Wait what? Where did this news come from
@@charleshu5752Probably drugs.
Not before Santa clause had it lead his sleigh that night
@@Mycameron2323 don’t forget worse in class payload, towing, fuel economy, and a gutless V8 mated with a clunky 6 speed.
Good video. I think the only real question is how important is either vehicle to their respective companies? How important is Tundra to Toyota? Not very. It's a regional vehicle that is largely an afterthought. How important is F-150 to Ford? Is any company's success more tied to one vehicle than Ford to F-150? Ford needs some version of the F-150 to be tops at every level of the truck world. So they are willing to build the most extreme version of their truck. Hence the Raptor, and then the Raptor R. Toyota, I think, is selling either a starting point to modify, or an image. You can build a Raptor further, but the idea is that it's pretty much good to go from the factory. It should also be pointed out that this test was pretty strongly tilted to the Raptor 's strengths (rock crawling). Would the difference be as big desert running? I think the Raptor still wins, but it would be... closer. The Raptor is the halo vehicle, the Tundra isn't. The only chance for Tundra to win is for it to be a race with no refueling allowed. As you say, a "fun" video, not a serious comparison. Cheers.
Underrated comment. Mike sweers said it years back that they never intended to compete with the domestics in the same capacity and just making a good truck that's affordable and works was enough for them (Toyota). Ford, GM and Ram would disappear overnight if they didnt have their 1500 trucks. Hence the large budget afforded to them. And let's be real, asides from their trucks the quality of product sold by the big 3 in other segments is not great. Toyota maintains that same degree of quality across all lineups. Whereas if you compared the care and quality used between a ford escape and an f150 it would be night and day. Toyota doesn't need the Tundra to make them money. Still a great truck tho
You have it backwards. The Raptor is built for high speed desert running, not rock crawling. If anything, the difference in capabilities between the two would be even more pronounced were they to be compared in such a scenario. The Tremor is the “rock crawler” of the F150 lineup, which is why you see so many people in the comments here saying that they would’ve liked to have seen them compare the Tremor to the TRD Pro instead of the Raptor.
That Raptor is a beast! Screams the ultimate american truck😍
Remember folks, a stock Trailboss did the Razor Rocks without scraping.
You beat me to it
Came here to say that. Lol
Nobody cares with that crap interior it has
@@ivochicr1 😅😅😅😅😅😅 says the few million people that bought them?
Trailboss lt has a better interior than both of these trucks
Great Video!! These Guys are Great!! I did this trail with my 20 TRD Off Road 4Runner with no issues!
Okay, so I'm sure it's been commented before, but you guys need to redo this video with identically sized tires. 37" tires do not cost $40K. Also, it would be interesting to see what that size tire would do to the Tundras MPG. Curious if 37's would fit under the tundra without modifications. I imagine that in this video's application with the same tires/ground clearance, the TRD would be as capable as the raptor. I've seen other videos of Toyotas "crawl control " and it looks pretty convincing.
and also put some afe tow hooks on the tundra along with a skid plate extender and then u have a tundra that is closer to the raptor R
You have to buy 3 Raptor for one life of the Tundra and Tundra still less problems to deal with.
Regular raptor would perform 100% same as the R in these scenarios and squish the price difference… and be more fuel efficient
The R really shines at Baja style races over the regular raptor. It really gets up to top speed in a hurry.
If I’m up to get a raptor for me it will be the “regular” EB, maybe the 37 version that possibly could be much more lighter because of the physical engine size (v6 with two turbos x v8 with supercharger) plus the v8 only drinks premium
Funny how they said the Raptors have been good for 60k miles. Toyota is known to be broken in at around 150k miles. I've seen plenty of Toyotas with original parts close to million miles.
rock sliders would’ve solved those rocks. I also think those side steps on the raptor would’ve held up just fine. If you can afford the raptor I assume you could get some rock sliders and maybe a little more armor underneath. No need to mess with ride height or tires. You’re always going to have some kind of damage when off-roading. It’s inevitable
Andrei said recently, 'What is it about this truck?', in reference to the TUNDRA TRD PRO. I'm going to answer that. It's in need of taller tires. I have a question of my own. Why do either of you know why Ford is the king of trucks? They will forever bring them to their maximum development. They'll additionally go to the maximum distance with that development. It's what Ray Liotta said when he played with Kevin Costner in the movie called Field Of Dreams. If you build it, he will come. Who will come? His movie father, who was played by Dwier Brown. Of all the baseball movies, this one is my absolute favorite.
In my humble opinion, the peace of mind that the raptor gave you while off routing is a more significant thing than you gave it credit for
Well said
Exactly. The RaptorR
Isn't even in its prime environment in more open high speed terrain.
37" tires make a big difference
4:10 The Raptor R is a badass truck. But let's be honest here. 55k miles for a Toyota truck is the like the break in period.
Maybe I missed it, but if it was 40 miles to the trailhead (and presumably the same distance back), how did the miles driven end up under 80 for the MPG test?
Because he said it was around 40 miles. Could've been 30-35 miles.
This video shows why I drive the most capable off road truck. The AEV Prospector power wagon yes from the Ram dealership on 37's. Since 1934 Dodge 4x4
Not sure why full size trucks, Toyota TRD PRO, don't offer the tires to tackle the big stuff. At least 35's. 20MPG for the Tundra! Nice. Great Video guys...
Because most that buy it, are hopin curbes at the mall. I’ve never seen one on the trail. Ever.
Edit- even pro 4 runners,… it’s us off-road and sr5 guys that actually use the rig.
Fuel economy standards. Guys are out here putting 35s on stock TRD Pros (only have to remove mud flaps for clearance, apparently). A factory option for it would be nice but hurts the fuel economy. Anyone who really wants them can purchase them in the aftermarket, anyway. That's a smart strategy - make a truck that can take 35s with minimal or no mods and then let people do what they will with it, and reap the benefits of the better average fleet fuel economy.
love this vid, i feel like its been awhile since u guys compared some stuff on a mtn
If you pay $70k+ for a Tundra or $110,000k+ for a Raptor but you cannot pay your credit card statement in full each month, and or you take them four-wheeling, it's not the trucks that should be evaluated, it's your inability to make wise decisions that should be scrutinized.
That’s not the American way.
Agreed! Also if people would quit financing these insanely overpriced vehicles the prices would go down to what they are actually worth. We need to stop giving so much power to dealers just because you want a new car every 2 years lol.
But yeah anyone paying this much for a vehicle (Or a liability) is completely brain dead.
What are you trying to say?
PERIODT!!!!
And I’d not tell anyone how they spend their own money, regardless if they are full stupid. Not to mention, how does someone making shit money get approved for the loan in the first place? I’d start there than bitching about what people want to do with their own money/life.
Are you ever going to try Storm Mountain, I have been up it in my stock 85 GMC? This trail changes every year, sometimes 2 to 4 times a year depending upon weather.
Tundra….Has a face only a mother, I mean bunch of Toyota Fan boys could love.
Ford, has a price tag only a mother, I mean bunch of Ford Fan boys could love.
Fords are garbage
@@mikek5298Toyota is the king of overpriced vehicles.
@mikek5298 Toyota is insanely overhyped, overpriced and overrated. Underpowered too, Ford and Chevy have the big guns when it comes to power
Here’s a great video series idea. Buy an old raptor to test how well they run after 100k miles
I can't believe that Tundra didn't burst into flames. That plastic fuel line recall is no joke. Yet blind Toyota fan boys will say it's not a big deal but if it was any other manufacturer they would say quality issues. Classic blind Toyota people don't see what's actually happening. Look at those terrible panel gaps. It's a piece of junk.
Exactly what is the fuel issue?
@@mikefoehr235plastic lines rupture and cause fuel fires.
@@Clockwork0nions I guess plastic doesn't rust tho.
It's one of the reasons why I've started to hate JDM culture and cars. We've owned American, Japanese, Korean and European cars. Beyond the European cars being kinda shit, the rest were all pretty similar in terms of reliability. Yet, I always hear how Toyota is perfect and everything else is terrible, it's simply not true.
@@mikefoehr235
I mean they could just use coated fuel lines like everyone else lol.
The best and most informative channel for truck and any vehicles.
The answer is yes, adding long travel suspension, gearing, front locker, 37s, +300hp to a Tundra will cost more than 40k without a warranty. If you can get the raptor for MSRP, its a bargain.
NONSENSE!
TRD Pro can be compared to the regular Raptor or Tremor. Raptor R is on another level, comparable to TRX.
A Tacoma would be better off-road than either of these since it actually fits on most trails and has much better approach, break over and departure angles.
Correct. My TRD PRO would embarrass either one of these trucks.
bingo
@@robertyoung8289off roading in tight places only. Everything else truck wise is not even close
@@Pantelifts10 Your living proof of free speech. 🙄
No comparison guys.
Really amusing video, specially liked the parts where trucks meet their limit. Maybe you guys should have a pile of cash on hand to put under the trucks to cushion them. Probably would be cheaper in the long run.
That’s a tough long term reliability proposition… supercharged high horsepower problems or hybrid problems? 4:10
Toyota hybrids have been around long enough to assume elite reliability. Wouldn't worry about that.
There haven’t been any problems with the Predator so far. Can’t say the same about the 3.4.
@@The-fs5wn For those that don’t know the Predator is the Ford supercharged 5.2.
And yeah, great engine.
Arguably superior to any V-shaped engine Toyota has ever built.
@@dukekelloway5328Ford and Toyota hybrids are pretty rock solid.
Raptor R's haven't been around long enough to speak of their reliability. What has is 1st gen Raptors that are proving to last over 200k miles, 2nd gen Raptors that are only old enough to be proven at 150k miles & 2012 & older GT500's which are also supercharged & are proving to last 200k miles. Actually there's a video of a 2012 GT500 with 186k miles on YT putting down the exact same dyno numbers as they made brand new which is FK'n amazing. All of the modern American supercharged V8's are very reliable at high mileage the Hellcats, the older GT500's, & the LS9's, LSA's & LT4's from Chevy. I expect the Predator motor to be no different it & the LT5 in the ZR1 are the best American performance engines in the business to go in a factory vehicle.
Are we supposed to buy truck to never scratch them? I get that they’re probably leased or given to them to try out but I figured if I go on rock trails, I’m going to get dinged up and scratched. Also, I’m not going to go rock climbing with stock tires.
Surprised how bad the TRD was off road, how do they not have at least 35's on this stock. Don't really matter I guess I can't afford either one.
There is absolutely NO DOUBT that Roman LOVES his Raptors!
I own a new tundra. Not nearly enough ground clearance for serious off-roading. Great truck though, love mine. Would love to see you put the TRD lift kit on it.
Everyone commenting how beastly these 2 vehicles are have never seen the mighty Morris Minor!
Since I haul more than rock crawl etc., I opted for the F-250 Tremor. I get a lot of smiles per gallon. I still want a V8 Raptor… maybe that’ll be my next truck in a few years.
Buy an original one and throw a supercharger on the 6.2 for half the price lol
@@evictioncarpentry2628 What do you mean by throw. Like a ball? So I just throw a supercharger on and it connect automatically like magnet?
@@evictioncarpentry2628 Please learn to use the English language. Thank you. Sign - a concern citizen.
The prices for these trucks is insane
It is so amazing how 4WD trucks just keep getting lower and lower with less ground clearance. Cars from a few decades ago have more ground clearance than 4WD trucks today. Fuel economy standards and emission requirements have taken a lot of fun out of our vehicles here in the U.S.
Blame the Gov and EPA
there are no EPA requirements for these types of trucks
@@JogBird nope, it’s manufacturers trying to get higher mpg because it’s mandated by the EPA
Wonder how the previous gen TRD Pro would do against this new one.
Did not seem like anyone was comfortable driving the Tundra. All these drive modes that these trucks come with. Power Wagon has one drive mode, CONQUER.
There are only 3 modes you need: 2H, 4H, and 4L.
Always go with 91 or higher in modern vehicles. The cost to benefit ratio is worth a few extra bucks.
1st, great video as always.
2nd, I don't think anyone can talk about Toyota's reliability seeing how this is a all new Toyota, the old Toyota's with the 4.7 or 5.7 then absolutely they can talk because those things proved themselves over & over.
God damn y'all just complain
Toyota has a better chance at being the better truck in the reliability category. Don't believe me? Ask Ford's executive board that is upset over quality issues.
@JIPlatium I can believe it, Toyota has always been very reliable, if not the most. Most of the time there's bugs in anything new that's got to be worked out. Toyota will definitely do that if there are any.
So calm down. I wasn't saying anything bad about Toyota's. They are good vehicle's, if not the best, they are really close.
You guys are awesome. Love the banter between the two 😊
Would prefer to see tundra vs ford Tremor.
I can’t believe I am saying this, but I would much rather have a V8 Tremor than a TRD Pro.
That size of tire on the pro is such a fail. The fact they don't even have the option for bigger is sad.
I'll take the TRD Pro and put 37s, a small lift, and a new front bumpers on it. I'd drive away with a smile and a bucket-load of cash in the passenger seat.
Bigger tires and clean approach and departure angles wins out off road every time. The Tacoma made it very clear @9:17 why the "viper" cut on 4Runners is so important.
Slap some larger tires and a lift kit and I’ll take the TRD Tundra all day!!! And some improved skid plates. Nice job guys!
No accounting for taste
And I’ll take the later generation all day!!
If you’re just going to change out the shocks and tires on a TRD pro might as well save some money and get the TRD off road.
You mention the Tundra TRD Pro and Raptor R are more for higher speed off roading. How about a comparison on that please?
I don't know why, but the Tundra sounds like an old Pirate ship that has been out in the sea for 20 years. So much creaking and moaning it's ridiculous.
But but but Toyota best Toyota awesome??!!!
The TRD pro has no tow hooks because they don't get stuck. That's how you can tell which vehicles are designed for off-road and ones are not.
The Raptor is ALWAYS worth it ;)
Please, show us the one YOU own.
@mikek5298 I guess I missed the part where I said I owned either one. I fail to see the point of your comment. For $40,000 extra, you get plenty to make it worth your while, not least of which is owning something that's actually desirable. I'm yawning just saying the words "TRD Pro."
It cracks me up how they say the raptor lasts then go on to say 54k miles😂😂😂. My Toyota 4Runner has 60k miles and not a single problem so far.😂
The Ford has horsepower, something Toyota knows nothing about
That Tundra is really cool, just needs clearance and at least 35's. Toyota should really offer 35s on the Pro!!!
I bought my Tundra new off the lot with the factory lift and dealer installed 35" tires. It's a beast.
Dwarfs my lifted Silverado.
So which one would win in the longevity and reliability test?
I'm so sick of hearing about Toyota reliability! That is such a Urban myth started back in the 80s, I have several friends with Toyota trucks and I can tell you right now they have had way more major issues than I ever had with any of my Ford's that I have owned throughout the years. For a example I had never had a camshaft replaced under warranty, never had a frame replaced under warranty, never had a transmission replaced under warranty and never had a abs control module replaced under warranty on a Ford I own and don't get me started about the cheap cracking plastics on the inside of the Toyotas when they get older.... guess my friends had rare Toyota lemons 😂😮
Toyota owners can’t handle the Truth!
🤣🤣😂😂 naw it’s not a myth. I’m so sick of domestic fanboys that cry about Toyota reliability
I have never seen a tundra on the side of the road. You sound more salty than anything. Iv seen many many chevys, fords, and rams broken down and/or being towed
@@alexfernandez4640 Sure !
@flight2k5 na it's a myth. I too watched new Toyota crap rust into oblivion with 2 years.
Toyota is the most overhyped crap on the market
Just wondering.
When you guys off roading, are you guys doing a 4High or 4Low? Thanks.
7:15 I don't think I ever see you guys air-down when off-road, that would help going over the challenging terrain.
You can’t say that you’ve had a raptor for a really long time unless you’ve had it for 300,000 miles
Said not raptor owner ever. Its a ford.
You have to take it in context, they're not a long-term 10 + year car review channel. For their use that was the longest they had.🤦
This trail is a great example of WHY Ford and otehr 4x4 off-roader makers MUST change over to high-hub wheels (i.e. similar to what the H1 Hummer Alpha and Militray Humvee trucks use) for driving the tires up and over everything! Get that transfer case and all wheel sub-structure OUT OF THE WAY of the ground! With a High-Hub wheel and drive-train design, you could get 16 to 24 inches of ground clearance! Add in telescoping tube-within-a-tube Fox Active Suspension Shocks and total clearance could be a FULL METRE or more (36 inches+ !!!).
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Seeing the raptor R struggle on the rocks reminds me the Nissan Titan climbed it without a headache. Had smaller tires and not as aggressive too😂
Never put less than premium in SD 6.2L (not Tremor). Started using it for towing, but mileage is better and engine runs great on premium. I've gotten 550 highway miles from my 34 gal tank averaging 16.17mpg with room to spare another 30+ miles (not towing). And still get much better milage when towing 7k than my friend's SD diesel (tho he is pulling 10k).
With the 40k price difference you could make the tundra far better than the raptor off road. Just with bolt ons.
You would never match its power. 40k is a lot of money. I'm just wondering how both trucks would do on the resale value.
Honestly, I don't think I would get either one. For the money would opt for the Tremor F-150, Ram Rebel, or Trailboss.
If you can afford a Raptor R, you can afford premium fuel.
Yeah even people on the regular Raptor forums complain about the fuel and put regular in theirs… the amount of people who truly can’t afford the vehicles they have is staggering.
It doesn’t matter
@@Hunter-nb5bjthey put regular in it, because it doesn’t matter for most (elevation). If 93 is good why not 101? Or race alcohol race fuel ?? Must be better right ?
@@96kylar lmao it makes more power with 91 over 87 says so in my owners manual. But it won’t make more with race fuel, it isn’t tuned for that 🤦♂️
@@Hunter-nb5bjI paid cash $71k for my 2nd gen Raptor even paid cash $74k for the C7 Z06 in the PFP. I run 87 in the Raptor from time to time. Makes a lot of sense on long trips where it's all cruise control & having the computer cut some power is never noticed. Does that mean I can't afford my vehicles?
Tundras like the Tacomas are made to be modified. Easily, not always. The front and rear bumpers require a decent amount of cutting to fit aftermarket steel bumpers but its worth it. 35s, 3" lift, steel bumpers and that Tundra could have done all the obstacles touching little. That said neither is meant for rock crawling and both will get damaged (even if modified) if they are used to rock crawl on a regular basis. Taco, 4Runner and now the new Land Cruiser would be much better crawlers. A mod'd LC will be fun to watch the rocks.
Toyotas definitely NEED to be modified, but Toyota doesn't really give you a lot of room to do so. Look at the current generation 4Runner and the third generation Tacoma, you need to chop pieces off of the frame in order to properly fit even a 33 inch tire on them.
Raptor all day. I’ve got a 2019 raptor I bought about three months ago and so far I love it
The raptor is most certainly not worth it and nowhere near equal to a Toyota. That Toyota will still be runnin strong long after that ford has died.
Sure and I've got ocean front property in Saskatchewan I'd love to sell you
@@Welcometofacsistube you may want to sell that ford first!
@@CamoShirt well when it comes to hybrid models Toyota arguably has the best hybrids. My comment was referring to toyota and ford in general. American cars just aren’t made to last, period. It’s just a fact. Toyota/Lexus, Honda/Acura, are overall just better vehicles made to last. I’ve owned both ford and Toyotas as well as Chevys. American manufacturers only care about quarterly stock returns and sales and not how long it’ll last. If people step away from their brand loyalty they’ll be able to see that glaring fact. People may prefer a particular brand and that’s fine, but they’re just not gonna last as long. It’s extremely funny how blindly loyal some people are to the brands they like. The marketing department gets their moneys worth that’s for sure!!
That may have been true with the previous generation Tundra that thing was a tank. But this one has a long way to go to prove itself, there has been a lot of problems with them
@@CamoShirton average 220k miles :)
Put the TRD wheels on the raptor and it will get the same mpgs since its lighter