Let's Talk About Male Suicidality

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  • Опубликовано: 19 авг 2024
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  • @HealthyGamerGG
    @HealthyGamerGG  Год назад +398

    Full video: ruclips.net/video/WdM8r6R3FfM/видео.html

    • @veliciawilliams3776
      @veliciawilliams3776 10 месяцев назад +1

      This is scary and interesting. Never knew these stats.

    • @soydansogukcesme470
      @soydansogukcesme470 10 месяцев назад +1

      Society/Familiy/Gouvernent ect. holds men as prisoners/slaves and then men delete themselfs.
      i am one of those men. i had 3 attempts.

    • @CalAndAly
      @CalAndAly 10 месяцев назад +2

      How come this video is no longer available? I need to see it for real

    • @kensurdity3840
      @kensurdity3840 9 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@CalAndAlyvideo still available it's titled Dr K Talks Weed..it's at the 1:10 mark

    • @mariaadinacostea3934
      @mariaadinacostea3934 8 месяцев назад

      Can this happen to women as well?

  • @jasoncharlton7741
    @jasoncharlton7741 Год назад +6058

    It's been a long time since I've watched a video on RUclips that doesn't censor words like "suicide" or "kill"

    • @user-cl8lf1wm8b
      @user-cl8lf1wm8b 10 месяцев назад +622

      Im so mad that we cant openly talk about important things because they labled as 'bad'

    • @creeper_triste
      @creeper_triste 10 месяцев назад +298

      Pretty sure this has something to do with the fact that yt knows he's a doctor.

    • @m4hunt3r47
      @m4hunt3r47 9 месяцев назад +234

      @@creeper_triste there is label that says "From a doctor licensed in the US" in every video he uploads, probably that why

    • @creeper_triste
      @creeper_triste 9 месяцев назад +57

      @@m4hunt3r47 yeah, that's what I was referring to.

    • @sozeytozey
      @sozeytozey 9 месяцев назад +12

      Yknow what? I didn't even book that at first, but you're right

  • @RLNero
    @RLNero Год назад +13049

    Its not that death is the ONLY way out, its just that the idea of continuously suffering to no end is worse than death itself.

    • @redmetalpanda9051
      @redmetalpanda9051 Год назад +157

      Yup

    • @Shyverin
      @Shyverin Год назад +520

      Yup, understandable to want to skip all that and just go to the end.

    • @onicma8151
      @onicma8151 Год назад +105

      This hit me hard in the feels.

    • @bigsandwich1238
      @bigsandwich1238 Год назад +234

      It is if you're a teen and you literally can't get out away from your abusive parents. Because the state will hunt you down and send you back.

    • @onicma8151
      @onicma8151 Год назад +125

      @@bigsandwich1238 Shit system needs to be revamped. The whole system.

  • @fruitygranulizer540
    @fruitygranulizer540 Год назад +2092

    "change something in their life, not change them" is such a great advice. its not true for everyone, but its definitely true for most suicidal men in my opinion.

    • @margaretcampbell2681
      @margaretcampbell2681 10 месяцев назад +16

      The men need to work out how to get out, they may need help with this

    • @zacharynguyen7286
      @zacharynguyen7286 7 месяцев назад +3

      Hope everyone doing good and staying safe. If you need to talk to someone or need help, there are people who care. Sending support and hearts. ❤️❤️❤️❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤❤️

    • @ryannamecat
      @ryannamecat 7 месяцев назад +6

      In my experience with overprotective fam, even other adults I used to talk to used to say I was the problem. But I agree usually changing outside forces can help you function sooo much better mentally!!

    • @zacharynguyen7286
      @zacharynguyen7286 7 месяцев назад +2

      Hope everyone doing good. Sending support and hearts! ❤️❤️❤️ Stay safe. Always remember that people care, one of them, me. Sending support and even more hearts!❤️❤️❤️ Stay safe

    • @YaNeK92
      @YaNeK92 7 месяцев назад

      Ultimately they have to want to change the environment they're in though that may be the root cause..

  • @randomidiot1854
    @randomidiot1854 10 месяцев назад +1113

    I used to be suicidal and to be completely honest, still am. For me it’s not that “it’s the only way out” it’s just “why do i have to keep doing this?”

    • @fearthemerciful
      @fearthemerciful 10 месяцев назад +99

      Futility is what I felt when I was at rock bottom. My therapist kept telling me that I didn't want to work and that I was being lazy. When in reality I just felt like no matter how much I suffered, I would never escape the pain and I would never have what I wanted.
      Eventually I died to my dreams and accepted my fate. Now I focus on doing things I like that I can actually do. It really helps to fill the void.

    • @FarhatKCh
      @FarhatKCh 9 месяцев назад +7

      You mean you lack meaning in your life?

    • @randomidiot1854
      @randomidiot1854 9 месяцев назад +36

      @@FarhatKCh Think of it as spices or flavors. The bad thoughts or meanings or motivations, emotions,... just come and go as it pleases. It just happen that the crappy one has a stronger aftertaste than the others. I'm well aware that i'm controlling what i'm tasting but i don't know how to cook. Thus i'm stuck in a cycle of endlessly eating crappy food for a living, or until i got better at cooking.

    • @user-wr2cd1wy3b
      @user-wr2cd1wy3b 9 месяцев назад +46

      right it's futility of life that drives people to suicide. you have to work hard to survive and you survive to work hard, and the best part is being asleep. extrapolate that -- if being asleep is the best part...

    • @randomidiot1854
      @randomidiot1854 9 месяцев назад +8

      @@user-wr2cd1wy3b Then it’s like playing in easy mode. But Human take risks to develop, that how we got here today. My guess is the lack of result compare to the effort put in that lead to futile. However, there seem to be no room for us to simply be patient and wait for the result. Why bother playing a game when it’s slowly becoming a daily chore rather than an entertainment?

  • @thesasoriphoenix
    @thesasoriphoenix Год назад +3614

    As someone that's been suicidal throughout my life due to both overwhelming stress and abuse, I can absolutely say that I was most suicidal when it seemed like the only option. When backed into a corner, I'll still have suicidal thoughts, but I'm now able to see that suicide isn't the only option, and in fact it's my worst one. I still have to deal with the pain, but at least I can have the comfort that I'm doing something about it that will help me in the long run.

    • @thechickenwitch4769
      @thechickenwitch4769 Год назад +96

      Hey, I know you probably don’t care but I just want you to know that I’m proud of you for everything you’ve managed to get through and accomplish:)

    • @alansun697
      @alansun697 Год назад +27

      i;'m glad youre doing better!

    • @sandroweber7157
      @sandroweber7157 Год назад +31

      My experience is when you get to a point where you are proud of yourself and conquer your fears your life is so much more beautiful then when you do not suffer.

    • @tinam761
      @tinam761 Год назад +18

      I hope you have removed yourself from the abuse. Being in an emotionally, verbally abusive relationship caused me to get to the point of planning my unaliving… thankfully it was discovered… it’s been about a year and I’ve been in therapy - which has helped a lot. AND working on heathy boundaries.

    • @tjsoko15
      @tjsoko15 Год назад +11

      You are a strong person. Stay that way. We need you around.

  • @musicbyLena
    @musicbyLena 10 месяцев назад +272

    The problem is that we see suicide only under a mental health perspective, but suicide is also a social problem

    • @injusticeanywherethreatens4810
      @injusticeanywherethreatens4810 9 месяцев назад +15

      ...so what youre saying is:☭ , comrade?

    • @Cantankerous-Bees
      @Cantankerous-Bees 8 месяцев назад +24

      ​@injusticeanywherethreatens4810 The intention is to lower the number of dead men, not dramatically, and systematically increase it.

    • @SM-be5dh
      @SM-be5dh 7 месяцев назад +4

      @@injusticeanywherethreatens4810BASED

    • @twelvecatsinatrenchcoat
      @twelvecatsinatrenchcoat 7 месяцев назад

      Seems like more of a solution to me. It's an escape from women's world, the one they built to keep us isolated.

    • @samneibauer4241
      @samneibauer4241 6 месяцев назад

      ​@nickers7409We live in a socioeconomic system that deliberately isolates people and destroys social connections in order to make us even more exploitable. Conservatives lament the crumbling of the atomic family, but this is only the stage after the destruction of the broader social networks that everyone had before industrialization. No longer are we raised by a village and have a relationship with everyone in it.
      Instead we are raised in small family units (if at all) and have an ever-shifting pool of small disconnected friend groups that fade with time as we go through middle school, high school, 1st job, 2nd job, college, 3rd job, etc. The workplace is often the only in-person social network people have, and that is often toxic because of the competitive, "Just worry about yourself" work culture.

  • @magnus1383
    @magnus1383 Год назад +548

    You got me after I processed that sentence for a second. Assuming someone is having that type of ideation or depression is because they have something up in their head doesn't find or solve the root cause. Even if someone is mentally ill, you need to adjust their circumstances, not just their symptoms.

    • @deannawanzo7629
      @deannawanzo7629 Год назад +2

      Well said!! ❤ Jesus said that we need to show love in all circumstances!!

    • @PeaceOfMake
      @PeaceOfMake Год назад +1

      How do you think depression works? That guy is clueless.

    • @stinkmonger
      @stinkmonger Год назад +20

      ​@@PeaceOfMakedepression is usually caused by material circumstances. there's not much evidence for "chemical imbalanaces." it's a societal problem, not an individual one. he's spot-on.

    • @PeaceOfMake
      @PeaceOfMake Год назад +4

      @@stinkmonger If that were true, it would be highest at the poorest countries. And it's not.
      Also is it a material or societal problem? Pick a lane.

    • @zesky6654
      @zesky6654 11 месяцев назад +18

      @@PeaceOfMake you seem confused.

  • @user-ge5sr9fs2z
    @user-ge5sr9fs2z 10 месяцев назад +56

    A friend of mine killed himself. He was going to therapy, but he was addicted to coke and leading a really toxic lifestyle. At the end he alienated himself from any genuine friend. He had fixated ideas about not getting old. Post death we learned that in his teenage years his mom was alcoholic, so there was probably a lot of untreated trauma, he never admitted to anyone.

  • @val.628
    @val.628 Год назад +492

    I think the other thing that suicidal men not showing signs of mental illness reveals is that men tend to be really good at masking and intellectualizing their emotions because of how strong the pressure is not to express discomfort, pain, sadness. I really think there’s a strong chance that a lot of men who don’t show signs of mental illness are experiencing mental illness, they’re just damn good at hiding it. The video’s point is also important though, that therapy and mental health only get a person so far - sometimes a person’s circumstances are unacceptable. On a larger scale, that’s why social movements are so important. We can’t individually solve our way out of everything, sometimes self-help isn’t enough because some of our problems are bigger than us. We’ve gotta create a society where we’re more connected to one another and support each other more. Love how this channel fosters community btw!

    • @oliviam1589
      @oliviam1589 Год назад +23

      community/solidarity the only way to get us out of this hell hole

    • @sussysinsis2450
      @sussysinsis2450 Год назад +8

      This is quite underrated I hope this gets above.

    • @jones2277
      @jones2277 Год назад +4

      you completely missed what he said.

    • @RifleEyez
      @RifleEyez Год назад +12

      Also sometimes it's just your circumstances though and being at the receiving end of a bad roll of fate. You can find yourself in shit circumstances but NOT be mentally ill at all and want to delete yourself, because physically overcoming said issue is either practically impossible, or takes so much work it might not feel worth it.

    • @thomasshelby1922
      @thomasshelby1922 11 месяцев назад +1

      Maybe we just start with doing what we can do in our personal lives before we start trying to shape Society.
      I wouldn’t be so quick to act, Society needs strong Men. Really Men need very little.

  • @Sergote12
    @Sergote12 Год назад +1067

    Men are not expected to be weak or vulnerable. Most of the time when men are suffering the best that they get is 'brush it off and keep going', 'Men don't cry', 'you've got to be strong, show no weakness '. The pain of feeling that no one can be sympathetic of your pain forever is worse than the sweet comfort of the void in death.

    • @ComeOnBunny
      @ComeOnBunny Год назад +44

      When things are going bad I don't need people to be sympathetic, and I don't need to cry. What I need are people that can brainstorm with me and give ideas on how to fix the issues or tolerate the issues if they can't be fixed.

    • @punkroxgirl
      @punkroxgirl Год назад +136

      ⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠​⁠@@ComeOnBunnywouldn’t it take someone being sympathetic to help you brainstorm and give you ideas? They wouldn’t do that if they weren’t sympathetic.
      It’s also ok if people want to cry, but also still want to fix things.
      For some suicidal people, crying could be a relief. The worst times I’ve had caused me to be numb and feel nothing. When I got through that part and was able to feel enough to cry, it was kind of life affirming.
      It doesn’t have to be one or the other, it can be both.

    • @tabularasa
      @tabularasa Год назад

      What you describe here is the very definition of toxic masculinity. It needs to change

    • @theezenriarinze9203
      @theezenriarinze9203 Год назад +30

      Actually no the real issue is that a vast majority of the stressors in mens lives comes from the expectation to take on grown women essentially dependents. A lot of the mental strain that men face is due to our interpersonal dynamics with women but psychology and society as whole isn't ready to acknowledge the magnitude of emotional labor men do and get no appreciation for.

    • @tabularasa
      @tabularasa Год назад +35

      What you describe here is the very definition of to×ic masculinity. Those quotes are the tropes that men tell each other. It needs to change

  • @Quirkney
    @Quirkney Год назад +29

    THIS. I had a serious medical issue go undiagnosed for 10 years. When I was bed bound and in excruciating pain, doctors kept assuring my family nothing was wrong… the S word seemed like the only answer for multiple years even WITH a good family. Things are better now with treatment and heart medication, and I look back so frustrated that not even the mental health doctors I talked to would acknowledge my body was ruining my life and just suggested it was ALL just clinical depression.

    • @superswag3252
      @superswag3252 6 месяцев назад +1

      What condition did you have, if I may ask ?

  • @cheetah219
    @cheetah219 8 месяцев назад +32

    I am / was suicidal for time because of my poor health. Couldn't work. Couldn't think. Constantly in pain.
    My doctor couldn't find a treatment that worked after many procedures. He had to present my case to hundreds of doctors in his field to try to find at least one other similar case - it was demoralizing when he literally said "yeah some of the doctors shared they had a similar patient or patients but it's not a big enough sample size of cases to justify further research"...that basically told me I didn't matter to hundreds of specialists, even though I know my doctor cares but even he admitted he wasn't good enough to find a solution.
    I don't want to contonue living in constant pain but there isn't anything I can do.
    I didn't have mental illnesses before this and conditions and situations like this create a downward spiral where it's a cycle of "I'm depressed because I'm in pain, I'm in pain because I'm depressed". And for men, it's difficult for professionals, friends and family to give advice in the first place. Because it isn't often when men show emotion. And if we do, then we're seen as weak or even worse, we're seen as faking it or manipulating women by showing emotion
    Because, again, it's rare.
    So, suicide really WAS my only way out
    The only thing keeping me alive is the thought of my mom finding my body. And I would never want to wish that on her and the thought of my mom crying over me hurts more than the pain I'm in every day.
    But, I'm terrified of the day when I wake up and the thought of suicide exceeds the thought of my mom crying over me.

    • @Not_interestEd-
      @Not_interestEd- 7 месяцев назад +1

      Here's something to think about-
      If your mind wants you dead, tell it to do the dirty work, don't let it convince you.
      Outlive your enemies, be better than those fools.

    • @donicesin2253
      @donicesin2253 7 месяцев назад +1

      I dont want to be too hard. Im mildly depressed but the only way is not de*th but to don't be lazy and go train, dont consume bad food, dont masturabate and dont use much social media cause it drains your energy. If you train, meditate, go out and make friends you. This will change your life. Of course you will be sad if you aren't confident and you only stay in a room until you go asleep

    • @cheetah219
      @cheetah219 7 месяцев назад +5

      @@donicesin2253 nah dude you're not hard at all, I've actually always preferred the hard truth. Sugar coating never works. Funnily enough, I started meditating a few weeks after my original comment. Goal is to start small, do it every few days and not add pressure on myself if I skip a day. It's helped for sure. My buddy asked me recently what I do when I meditate and I honestly just think reaffirming and positive thoughts. I dont over think it, just reinforce that I know I'm good at many, many things

    • @donicesin2253
      @donicesin2253 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@cheetah219 Yep, happy to hear that

    • @BunnyRabit-yo3lx
      @BunnyRabit-yo3lx 5 месяцев назад +1

      I'm so sorry.😢 Chronic pain is the worst. I pray a miracle comes your way for relief of your pain.

  • @adxmnt1926
    @adxmnt1926 Год назад +1410

    And simply stating "it's okay for men to cry" is NOT advocacy for men's mental health.

    • @Alienrun
      @Alienrun Год назад +263

      its not...but its a start.
      Context is key...depending on who your talking to and the situation it can mean everything at the right time.
      Nobody says things in a void...people think they do online but that's not the case...the fact people think that's the case ironically is the problem lol

    • @Balloonbot
      @Balloonbot Год назад +138

      It absolutely is, no? That's a huge shift from teaching kids "boys dont cry"

    • @user-mm9ve4le6m
      @user-mm9ve4le6m Год назад +235

      ​​​​​@@AlienrunI don't think it is a start. Everyone thinks that men are allowed to cry, even the most conservative advocates on this earth. They just have different standards *when* it is allowed. In the end nothing changes because the problematic people already think in their head that they are not part of the problem.
      That's why the focus should be entirely on the reasons *why* men experience negative emotions, and dicuss these issues with empathy. This way people actually make a change in their daily live because they know what we are even talking about.
      For example: a huge topic for men is loneliness. You have to take that specific topic seriously and not just say that showing emotions is okay. This is the difference.
      These blanket statements help nobody. In my experience the people who use them are the ones who dismiss male suffering the most.

    • @Alienrun
      @Alienrun Год назад +14

      I think I actually agree with most of this. Mainly the idea that its best to engage with a problem starting with "why" as opposed to the how or what.
      Correct me if I'm wrong on this, as I might be more pessimistic about this than nessesary but...I can't help but feel a lot of people won't engage with the why of a problem on a deeper level. Perhaps the problem is that we put male emotions in boxes that are either "good" or "bad" when the idea that you can feel whatever you want should be common sense/extremely obvious. But I get why this happens. A lot of men now are extremely insecure, just hearing the idea that men are mentally being oppressed puts that idea in their head and then they think they can't open up about anything because they are retroactively judging themesevles before anyone else does ect.
      As for having the conversations your talking about having...I think that just comes down to finding actually good people to talk to/make genuine friends. I've had a lot of issues in the past and have good friends to talk to...so I suppose I overlooked that not everyone has that. (Nevermind trying to find someone like that online...that's near impossible as you can't set an objective scenario to build trust correctly online)
      Your second to last paragraph is pretty spot on tho...as I've been in both scenarios before and the second is more helpful. I think it takes courage to delve into the minutia of someone else's emotion and get to the root of it...its a lot easier to just say "its ok that you feel bad and cry" which can help relive someone in the moment, but doesn't do much to help the person move past it once they reach a point where that needs to be done.
      But yeah...I guess what your saying makes sense lol

    • @JarthenGreenmeadow
      @JarthenGreenmeadow Год назад +73

      @@Balloonbot You're just setting them up to get bullied. That crap is only true in idealism, dreams and movies. IRL men who cry are seen as weak.

  • @rosettaelemental7275
    @rosettaelemental7275 9 месяцев назад +10

    "there is a difference between not wanting to live anymore and not wanting to live like this anymore"
    I don't remember where I heard it, but it had been so important to me

  • @gargantuangouda605
    @gargantuangouda605 Год назад +153

    I think the worst thing is that so many of the people that tell us it's ok to talk and that we should get it all out are also some of the first people to minimize the situation or brush it off as "someone else has it worse so get over yourself and find a way to deal with it". Honestly, I'd prefer people just admitted they don't give a shit about us and let us "man up" than dangle a carrot under our nose and then yank it away.

    • @minabotieso6944
      @minabotieso6944 Год назад +13

      Dr. K genuinely cares and articulated himself well on this issue but he brushes it off like you are saying just to not make people mad. He always ends talking about men’s issues saying that it’s not worth focusing on that men are struggling more on certain issues, everyone is struggling. Doing that on women’s issues would obviously be silly to everyone

    • @BlackSakura33
      @BlackSakura33 11 месяцев назад +1

      Your friend or family is NOT a counsellor and has no obligation to be one. If you have problems seek professional help. You don't ask your friends to heal your broken arm. Stop being a crybaby and go to a doctor. The world doesn't exist to cater to you.

    • @__-tp4tm
      @__-tp4tm 10 месяцев назад +8

      Hypocrisy isn't met rarely.
      The amount of people one might meet, who talk cotton candy but mean arsenic, is simply shocking.
      We could have it so good altogether if everyone was atleast halfway decent...

    • @peachcobbler641
      @peachcobbler641 9 месяцев назад +2

      I actually did get the idea that we are all alone in our heads and we had the value of a brick at most. there are many other people on earth who can replace everything i and my family does. not a big loss here

    • @astraamarante6233
      @astraamarante6233 6 месяцев назад +3

      I hate how much toxic people use the same methods that genuine good people do to try to manipulate the vulnerable. It’d be so much easier if @holes didn’t exist, but then people wouldn’t be in such horrible situations 🙄 “A utopia?? Why have that when I can make sure everyone around me suffers because I’m ignorant and full of hate??”

  • @Konspirantas
    @Konspirantas Год назад +10

    some fates are far worse than death. few know the true cold grey of 'there is no hope' and the darkness of that conviction towards suicide. im very happy i wont have to anymore. having experienced that empty discontent of 'i will die' it still hits hard being reminded of this.

  • @josho8539
    @josho8539 Год назад +147

    He's right, I was in an abusive relationship for 5 years and thought about it a lot. I finally left and the idea hasn't popped into my mind at all and it has been a year of being single, no medication needed. Therapy for hasn't been about those thoughts, it has been about why I got myself into the situation in the first place and why I stayed.

    • @mspaint93
      @mspaint93 Год назад +14

      That's really wonderful to hear, and I'm so glad you're out from whatever hell you were trapped in. X Keep safe ❤

  • @Taylor95x
    @Taylor95x Год назад +46

    My father recently took his own life, and this made me look at his situation quite a bit differently. Among other factors, I think the prime reason is exactly what you mentioned in this vid..

    • @Taylor95x
      @Taylor95x Год назад +2

      @@Dimitris_Half Thank you Mathew

    • @punkroxgirl
      @punkroxgirl Год назад +20

      I’m sorry for your loss. I lost my dad the same way and it’s been 10 years now. It doesn’t get better, but over time, I got better at dealing with it. Now I’m able to spend more time remembering the good things. It doesn’t feel so overwhelming. It would hit me in waves, like a giant wave that made me feel like I was just tumbling under the water, but then I would surface. The waves became less often and less intense over time and now I spend more time appreciating the years I did have with him.
      I don’t think there’s a right or wrong way to grieve though. It’s a very long and complicated process. Also, when it’s a parent, it makes us more aware of our own mortality. After his death, I no longer had trouble cutting off toxic people. I am much happier with a few good friends instead of a bunch of acquaintances that aren’t all healthy connections.
      I’m also much more aware of the differences for men struggling with these things. Men and women just think differently and are also treated differently.
      Men seem to like to fix things and also seem more frustrated when they can’t find a way to fix them. I don’t know if this is natural or something learned from society.
      I hope you are able to find some peace and comfort in your days and just know that even though it’s not something that gets better, it does get less overwhelming in time. 💜

    • @HomoSerenus3
      @HomoSerenus3 Год назад +2

      I’m really sorry for you

    • @keylanoslokj1806
      @keylanoslokj1806 10 месяцев назад +2

      You are NOT to blame. Life is brutal for all and each person copes differently

    • @Neonb88
      @Neonb88 7 месяцев назад +1

      My condolences

  • @ruecumbers
    @ruecumbers 11 месяцев назад +27

    I heard someone somewhere a while back saying that 'therapy for men was a complete waste of time. They have better success getting the help they need by essentially being given something to do.' At the time hearing it, it sounded like misguided, incomplete reasoning. Distracting yourself by keeping busy might _sound_ good but it won't actually solve the root issue.
    I realize now, the root issue _is_ the stagnation of the position men like this find themselves in; the abuse, the neglect, the hopelessness of it all. Being given an active directive in their lives and a way out of that sounds like _exactly_ what they need. _This_ was the missing piece I needed to make that original sentiment make sense.
    I still think theres room for traditional therapy for a lot of men out there, but men as a whole are suffering in a way that means that it can't be the only option.

    • @twelvecatsinatrenchcoat
      @twelvecatsinatrenchcoat 7 месяцев назад +4

      If they'd taken my job away in 2020 like they did to so many others I'm confident I would not be here.
      Work is the only place in my entire life where I feel like I matter at all.

    • @manthisjarisbroke9273
      @manthisjarisbroke9273 7 месяцев назад +2

      well said

  • @idk9637
    @idk9637 10 месяцев назад +29

    I used to have severe social anciety and couldnt even bring the trash out without getting a panic attack. Eventually i was understandably being forced to get a job and i tried to kms because dying was less scary than having to get a job and socialize. I didnt want to die. I wasnt sad. Dying was just the only alternative i had and it was way way less scary than an intense social situation like getting a job. Ive since gotten a lot better.. though i dont think ill ever not have social anxiety. But i can at least function in society now.

    • @RyanPhly
      @RyanPhly 9 месяцев назад +6

      that’s how i’ve been living for 21 years and i’m just tired of it.

    • @huhhuhhuh4069
      @huhhuhhuh4069 8 месяцев назад +2

      You're doing well. I'm proud of you.

  • @Kelvostrass
    @Kelvostrass 11 месяцев назад +64

    When you experience pain there are 5 core options each person has:
    1. Protest
    2. Avoid/Escape
    3. Fight/Compete
    4. Dissociate
    5. Suicide
    When a guy tries options 1 to 4 to stop the pain but it doesn't work, eventually option 5 becomes the only option left.

    • @ColeMOSauce
      @ColeMOSauce 9 месяцев назад

      4.5 Enjoy?

    • @Kelvostrass
      @Kelvostrass 9 месяцев назад +4

      @@ColeMOSauce More like 3.5 - you change your response to stress, using it as a means to fight/compete. Like when you break up with a cheating Ex, you go to the Gym and workout, using the pain as motivation.

    • @jibberism9910
      @jibberism9910 9 месяцев назад

      Yes, but that only lasts you so long.
      Our society is about to crash into a wall. No amount of self work will be relevant to that sword if all we do is self work.@@Kelvostrass

    • @troxexlot18
      @troxexlot18 6 месяцев назад

      Protest is same as Fight/Compete

    • @jaymesc4436
      @jaymesc4436 5 месяцев назад

      Nah, more like favour making/pleasing.

  • @redmetalpanda9051
    @redmetalpanda9051 Год назад +107

    Ive been having it hard with suicidal thoughts and morbid flashes since a couple months. Happened a month after the birth of my second son. Im getting help and most days are ok, tlbut the bad days are really harsh, with unescapable spiraling thoughts.

    • @jakesmith-bs4jd
      @jakesmith-bs4jd Год назад +14

      Keep going my bro

    • @Americansikkunt
      @Americansikkunt Год назад +3

      Good job

    • @tclphone2392
      @tclphone2392 Год назад +7

      Wonder if it's past natal depression? Men can also get that

    • @redmetalpanda9051
      @redmetalpanda9051 Год назад +7

      @@tclphone2392 i got hospitalized for a week, the terms they used is depressive episode and generalized anxiety disorder
      But concretly, its pretty much a post natal depression. Got into that after my girlfriend had it too so i had to take over the responsibilities but i couldnt handle it for very long

    • @redmetalpanda9051
      @redmetalpanda9051 Год назад +3

      @@Dimitris_Half you know, thats why its hard. Im ashamed and feel inadequate for my kids

  • @rmt3589
    @rmt3589 8 месяцев назад +2

    I'm so jelly of those that can find a way out. Seems like I keep sinking deeper...

  • @xotwod3254
    @xotwod3254 Год назад +140

    I wish more people understood this.

  • @Potatoe-f6u
    @Potatoe-f6u Год назад +10

    I think a lot of depression and anxiety are really just a result of chronic stress, but often that exists because of the person's job or family life or some other aspect of their existence that isn't easily dropped, so we look for other solutions.

    • @user-ke1gn3ql1g
      @user-ke1gn3ql1g 9 месяцев назад

      And on social media, the amount of hate you see everywhere on the internet can really miss you up

  • @mattmanlooloo
    @mattmanlooloo 11 месяцев назад +8

    Maybe I’m mentally sick and that’s the cause of it, but I resonate with feeling like there’s no other option. I don’t feel alive. I don’t see my future as something that’s going to be even partially filled with joy. I don’t see my kids growing up and liking me as a dad or as a human being. The only reason I’m still here is because I’m too scared of dying to actually do it, and I hope that thought is enough to make it until nobody needs me anymore.

    • @TobiTehMajyk
      @TobiTehMajyk 7 месяцев назад +1

      I’m there myself. After an incredibly terrible week and year, I just can’t stand the thought that this is just life. I just want to be free from being needed so I can leave in peace. It might not be a perfect understanding, but I want to say I relate.
      I also feel like I need to say this. I loathed my dad for a long time. Lots of stuff there. I don’t like my dad. But despite all that, I still love him. Even though I’ve been out on my own for a decade, I don’t want to think of life without him. I think we underestimate how much we really mean to other people, y’know? Anyway, I really hope you’re doing alright. It’s rough out there these days. Take care, man.

  • @2ProJohanTjern
    @2ProJohanTjern 10 месяцев назад +9

    I was stuck in a relationship where i was abused mentally for a long time, i had never had such a low point ever in my life, after leaving i was at an all time low and now when some time has gone by i have almost no negative toughts like i had daily with her.

    • @user-wr2cd1wy3b
      @user-wr2cd1wy3b 9 месяцев назад +1

      I definitely have experienced something similar, but the difficulty of life only decreased without her, it didn't disappear (though initially it felt like that)

  • @IamYouYouAreMeWeAreNothing
    @IamYouYouAreMeWeAreNothing Год назад +13

    I want to say thank you Dr.K, following and watching you has really me be better to myself. Thank you.

  • @henriquemarques6196
    @henriquemarques6196 10 месяцев назад +9

    Once I tried suicide because I was unemployed and had no money to pay for my rent and my food. I tried that because it was the only way I could stop the pain and the suffering, I wasn't really depressed or something. If I succeeded to kms I would be in the 60% he said.
    Life can be so hard sometimes the only way out you can see is to end it all, that really sucks.

    • @thatguybob6088
      @thatguybob6088 6 месяцев назад +2

      I think the whole "just go get a job" thing is stupid. As if life is easy, when in reality it's not and can be unfair. I'm not saying people don't abuse government benefits, they definitely do , but I still think there should be a standard where everyone is at least at the poverty line. No strings attached

    • @henriquemarques6196
      @henriquemarques6196 6 месяцев назад +2

      @@thatguybob6088 yeah, at that time I was living in a third world country, we were having economic issues, unemployment rates near to 20%. "Just get a job" was basically everything I wanted back then, but I was a young man with zero professional skills so it was very hard to land a job. Thank god I managed to overcome all that shit

  • @Kaeribana
    @Kaeribana Год назад +60

    I said this and i will do it again.
    No one wants in fact to die, no one. Is literally against your own survival instincts, against life purpose itself. The problem is that you feel so overwhelmed and alone that you can't find any reasonable option besides suicide, its not that you want to die, you want to live, you still want to do things, you want to visit that place, want to play that game, but when faced certain extreme circumstances the only way out you see is suicide, because being dead inside is worse than being really dead. Unable to die and unable to live in the same time is a curse and a torment, it's pretty hard, almost impossible to pick up yourselves without any help from this state

    • @masonnelson6710
      @masonnelson6710 5 месяцев назад +1

      Pretty presumptuous of you to assume you know the inner workings of the minds of everyone with mental health issues, is it not? How can you be certain *NOBODY* wants to die? Has it ever crossed your mind that the survival instincts for some people might not be there anymore? If they were to begin with. The brain is pretty complex. To presume everyone wishes for the same things, experiences, etc. sounds pretty arrogant to me.

    • @Kaeribana
      @Kaeribana 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@masonnelson6710 yes, i'm 100% certain that no one wants to die. It's just life principle, it's not possible to not have survival instincts, everything does have a survival instinct, even plants, you don't simply "lose your instincts" And yes, the brain is pretty complex, but there's one thing he always prioritizes, SURVIVAL. the brain, your body in general, will do anything in order to ensure your survival. If we get down to why people want to die you will find out that they want to go just because they got problems THEY think they can't solve. I'm telling you this from a position where I'm literally fighting with this "I want to die" mentality, and i know that deep down, in fact i don't want to die, i want to live my life at its fullest, but various problems don't allow me to do so.

    • @masonnelson6710
      @masonnelson6710 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@Kaeribana I replied to your comment because I too, struggle with the 'I want to die' mentality. I gave up 'trying to get better' awhile ago - and was annoyed that you claim to know me better than my own self. Deep down, some of us just don't care anymore - we give up. Not everything/everyone is about SURVIVAL.

    • @Kaeribana
      @Kaeribana 5 месяцев назад +1

      @masonnelson6710 ok, but you are alive, right? You are here. So, you haven't really given up if you are alive. Sure, "you" maybe, but your body? As I said, will always prioritise your survival, even if this means "you" will be "dead" inside

    • @masonnelson6710
      @masonnelson6710 5 месяцев назад +1

      @@Kaeribana To be honest I can't have more than 5 years left with my horrible diet/habits. And that is assuming I don't try taking my life again. So it could be even less. To me personally that doesn't really sound like a body that that wishes to live long and prosper. But I understand that is probably just me trying to argue for a technicality more than anything else.

  • @hyberkonawa272
    @hyberkonawa272 10 месяцев назад +24

    Well... when your family, friends, neighbors, relatives, siblings, including your own community hates you, especially the whole world wants you dead!... well.... that's where the suicide thoughts kicks in.
    Lack of love.... is what is destroying both men and women.

  • @yaboyjosh3023
    @yaboyjosh3023 Год назад +13

    I felt like this back and forth for a while. Especially since I was going through a severe Eczema flare up which led to infection and was got dumped from a 2 year relationship.
    I was suffering both mentally and physically all together. And literally thought death was the most logical option to stop the pain from persisting. A way of putting myself out of my own misery.
    Now a days I'm alright. Body has healed up. Have easy access to medical appointments and advice and I appreciate the people I have in my life now.

    • @fastyfoxy
      @fastyfoxy Год назад +2

      eczema is literally a living hell man. thankful we made it outta that brah

    • @punkroxgirl
      @punkroxgirl Год назад +1

      @@fastyfoxy I have it now. My hands are covered in blisters. I couldn’t have imagined anything like it until I had it. I’m sure mine was triggered by severe and prolonged anxiety

    • @fastyfoxy
      @fastyfoxy Год назад +1

      @@punkroxgirl i’m sorry, hope it gets better for you. had it since childhood but still dont know what fueled mine, but i met a derm that prescribed me pure magic ointments

    • @punkroxgirl
      @punkroxgirl Год назад

      @@fastyfoxy you’ve had this since childhood?? I can’t imagine! is it on your hands? I’m going to have to find a derm…I’ve used prescription steroid cream from regular dr, hypoallergenic lotions, aloe, cotton gloves and this stuff is evil. I would rather have a kidney stone. For real.

    • @yaboyjosh3023
      @yaboyjosh3023 Год назад +1

      @punkroxgirl Stress can also be a cause. Something as big as a traumatic event or stressful life event is all it takes to severely weaken your immune system to the point where your vulnerable to anything.
      I'm so sorry your having to go thru that. It really is a Curse.

  • @williamsimpson2777
    @williamsimpson2777 6 месяцев назад +4

    This is a big thing, especially when men lose employment, become disabled in a workplace accident or lose their kids etc... it's the situation, not necessarily a mental illness.

  • @benjb7338
    @benjb7338 9 месяцев назад +2

    It feels very nice to hear someone actually understanding the problems we have with this

  • @Septemberl4d
    @Septemberl4d 11 месяцев назад +6

    As others have said in comments. It could also just be the unwillingness to keep struggling, there is only so many times you want to stand up every time you are knocked down, everyone has a number, and the number increases the less lonely you are. By that i mean each person who is ACTUALLY there for you. A lot of people will get mad or sad after the fact, but were they actually there for them, were they dismissing them that one time it didn't seem that serious? Did they ignore the signs?
    You can still feel lonely while surrounded by people. So Dr K is correct that building a purpose outside of the main structure of what they consider failure is one of the more important things you can do to help those stuck in that mentality.

  • @Uberwenis
    @Uberwenis 11 месяцев назад +3

    FINALLY hearing this is nice. I've said for years that there isn't just one "depression". Like, for years we all heard about depression being a chemical imbalance, and my therapist seemed content to just put me on meds, which didn't really help how I felt. The (dark) way that I had to put it was that the medications couldn't un-traumatize me and un-fuck my life.

  • @feartheghus
    @feartheghus 9 месяцев назад +5

    This reminds me of the Norm Mcdonald joke "What do you mean you don't understand suicide?"

    • @twelvecatsinatrenchcoat
      @twelvecatsinatrenchcoat 7 месяцев назад +1

      "What do you live in a cotton candy house or something?? You don't know about life? How it only disappoints and gets worse and worse till it ends in a catastrophe?"

  • @tabularasa
    @tabularasa Год назад +70

    PREACH. So much of healing is just building a better life

    • @dmitryburlakov6920
      @dmitryburlakov6920 11 месяцев назад +9

      If you’re homeless just buy a house bruv

    • @dazedsaint
      @dazedsaint 11 месяцев назад

      @@dmitryburlakov6920😭😭😭

    • @injusticeanywherethreatens4810
      @injusticeanywherethreatens4810 9 месяцев назад +1

      Tabu you got any tips to share on how we can build a better life for ourselves?

    • @asdqasdasd4485
      @asdqasdasd4485 8 месяцев назад +1

      stop spreading your hate here would be even better

  • @gonnfishy2987
    @gonnfishy2987 Год назад +20

    This is the difficulty with severe depression, no matter what sex- Sometimes you’re in the dark place because the realities won’t change no matter how differently you think, live, act… A person has problems and their wanting to exist is based on addressing/eliminating those problems. They would have fixed it themself if they could have ;

  • @bradthelad8308
    @bradthelad8308 10 месяцев назад +5

    Sexual/emotional/domestic abuse against men in general is so under looked in the United States, and it’s so fucking sad. I was raped and verbally abused by my ex and I was told to “suck it up”, “enjoy it” or “just have sex with someone else to make you feel better” as responses to my trauma. I genuinely felt that the self death was the only way to go, but I hung on by a thread for two years. One day it finally clicked in my head, since I had been trying to better myself for a year. The biggest bittersweet blessing was when I had to take care of 15 puppies because my dog passed. I loved her so much, but I know that no one else could’ve handled the situation better than myself. I wish someone would’ve told me to reach out for therapy, but without my trauma and my self redemption, I feel like my story would be a lot harder for mentally ill people to connect to if that were the case. I don’t want to be a therapist, but I always advocate for it because it’s one of the healthiest and safest ways to fix mental health issues

  • @krunch3444
    @krunch3444 11 месяцев назад +17

    Why do we have to pathologize every intense emotion in the first place? Even if you are diagnosed with something like depression or anxiety, it could just be your rational response to the environment you're in. Just because most people don't experience extreme stress in their day-to-day lives doesn't make it inherently irrational.

    • @twelvecatsinatrenchcoat
      @twelvecatsinatrenchcoat 7 месяцев назад +4

      Every time I've ever game-planned talking to a therapist I end up here. "What makes you think this isn't a natural response to living in a society this warped? What makes you think taking a pill to not feel my own feelings is a 'treatment' and not just a way for a pharma company to make money off me for the rest of my life?"

    • @krunch3444
      @krunch3444 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat You're thinking about a psychiatrist. At least in my experience therapists don't subscribe to those ideas as often and besides they can't prescribe medication or diagnose you. Psychotherapy is mostly about talking about problems you have to figure it out. That's why therapists are usually very open to criticisms of psychiatry and also criticize it themselves. Meanwhile most doctors (psychiatrists) I talk to seem to take everything they learned as gospel and take criticism of it extremely personally.

    • @twelvecatsinatrenchcoat
      @twelvecatsinatrenchcoat 7 месяцев назад

      @@krunch3444 And the "What makes you think this isn't a natural response to living in a society this warped?" part?

    • @krunch3444
      @krunch3444 7 месяцев назад

      @@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat Therapists don't care about what caused the problems you have. They don't have that kind of education. They don't assume anything is wrong with you. All they do is help you think differently to cope better. Even if a therapist had a pathology focused mindset, it wouldn't really come up. That's how it should be at least, can't say there aren't exceptions.

    • @krunch3444
      @krunch3444 7 месяцев назад

      @@twelvecatsinatrenchcoat fyi, by environment I meant something in your direct environment. How can you make such abstract despairful statements about society when all you have to go on is your living experience up until now? I was just trying to say that not every intense emotion is pathological and you somehow interpreted that as "Yes! All my feelings of despair are completely justified, so all of society must indeed be horrible!" I'm not trying to invalidate your feelings, but also, depression tends to make you perceive everything trough an exaggerated despair filter. To me your remark feels silly and. Half of society could want me dead (sometimes it feels like they do tbh I'm trans) and I wouldn't care. But if my mom hated me, I might start to think society is super warped and twisted. God too, and let's not forget the government. They must be the warpedest of them all.

  • @SupremeWorthy
    @SupremeWorthy 10 месяцев назад +3

    A man with a genuine dedication to his trade. You have my respect Dr. K

  • @LiveFreeOrDieDH
    @LiveFreeOrDieDH 11 месяцев назад +4

    Thank you for saying this. I don't believe I've ever heard anyone else articulate this before. Partially because there's still a general taboo around talking about suicide at all.

  • @TheTSense
    @TheTSense Год назад +62

    >"It is your duty as a man to solve this, alone, right now. If you can't you might as well be dead"
    >"OMG why would he do that?"

    • @albenoit4378
      @albenoit4378 11 месяцев назад +29

      "If only he had gotten the help he needed 😔"
      And the "help" is paying some charlatan half your week's pay to be told all your problems are in your head for an hour.

  • @PillboxBollocks
    @PillboxBollocks 7 месяцев назад +4

    Thanks, Doc. I and many people need to understand this.

  • @Jarniwan
    @Jarniwan 10 месяцев назад +1

    really glad that an actual psychologist understand and say this for us.
    most ppl who are depressed are also the one who have found their own solutions without any therapy but keep getting blocked by reality that they can never reach there due to many things.

  • @DonJuan822
    @DonJuan822 9 месяцев назад +1

    This is a very important message. Labels about being ill mean nothing and only make people feel more broken and hopeless

  • @amaas211
    @amaas211 10 месяцев назад +17

    You are changing the person. You're making them less susceptible to the problem that they're having so much trouble with that death seems to be the only way out.
    This is a good change.
    The sad part of abusive relationships, and relationships in general, is that we remember loneliness and we'd rather be abused and die than be lonely or free.
    Destigmatize individuality, self respect, and solo living.

  • @xRyoden
    @xRyoden Год назад +6

    The thing is that men are massively under-diagnosed for depression and there is such a low awareness that a lot of guys don't even recognize they have depression because they don't know what male depression is like. That and the social pressure for men to never talk about their feelings.

  • @heckincat1406
    @heckincat1406 7 месяцев назад +2

    I feel like this. I just need to keep reminding myself that I'm very lucky with my life and to be grateful.

  • @sewatweaty5549
    @sewatweaty5549 Год назад +1

    It's not the only way out, but in that moment it sure feels like it. I've been there and I am glad that I am here today. Time heals many wounds, stay strong and keep fighting!

  • @skybirdnomad
    @skybirdnomad 11 месяцев назад +3

    the #1 thing most of my therapists were absolutely clueless about regarding me

  • @ClellBiggs
    @ClellBiggs Год назад +4

    Yes, sometimes when it seems like there isn't a way out of a situation self terminating is based on a logical conclusion instead of being caused by an illness. I've seen this happen in real life with family and friends.

  • @ryutak777
    @ryutak777 9 месяцев назад +1

    That's exactly correct. I've known quite a few people who were quite close to committing and all I could really do was be there for them and what really helped was creating change in their life. Without that change they feel like there is no hope or real reason to keep going.

  • @nikopteros1659
    @nikopteros1659 Год назад +1

    Dr. K... you're a treasure on this community, maybe someday i'll want to talk to you, i love the ammount of kindness and deep understanding you express in pretty much everything you do. or at least everything i've seen you do online.

  • @itsbright1191
    @itsbright1191 6 месяцев назад +5

    My brother committed suicide two years ago, and when we pull the curtains back and look at his life, he was in a large amount of debt, child support was constantly taking money out, even money that he didn’t even owe. He was working three jobs from 5 AM - 10PM almost everyday. I wish we could have relieved him from some of his stress and pain. It wasn’t pathological, but moreso his circumstances making him feel like he was trapped.

  • @tacoslegit1556
    @tacoslegit1556 Год назад +4

    G it hard out here. It is easier to give in then do the work. I struggle everday with this. Dont let the thoughts win fellas. You are a beast. Show them

  • @callmegibs
    @callmegibs 6 месяцев назад

    My suicidal thoughts usually stem from me being greatly disappointed in my self.

  • @codagaming9186
    @codagaming9186 Год назад +1

    Been struggling with bad mental illness myself, but recently it has been getting a lot better because I stopped and chose to change everything. I'm going to another country, going to college, leaving the family I grew up with completely. To overcome mental illness is too change your life not yourself. To change their life, not who they are.

  • @billygilmusic5072
    @billygilmusic5072 11 месяцев назад +36

    Life sucks so much right now, especially for us men. I cannot fathom how most people don't realize that it doesn't take much for anyone to want the easy way out. We get no love, no recognition of our achievements and get used by everyone for what we provide. Take the providing part of the equation and we're left as an empty husk, wandering aimlessly through the void.

  • @NikkiDoesStufff
    @NikkiDoesStufff Год назад +435

    (A good amount of) People who end their life aren’t doing it because they want to die. They just want the pain and suffering to stop.
    Edited because people disagree

    • @SnailHatan
      @SnailHatan Год назад +12

      Speak for yourself.

    • @buckets3628
      @buckets3628 Год назад +1

      🤓🤓🤓

    • @tompratticus8890
      @tompratticus8890 Год назад +26

      ​@@SnailHatanNah, he can speak for me

    • @DumplingDoodle
      @DumplingDoodle Год назад +6

      that isn't true at all. at least not for everyone. i've seriously considered suicide both due to circumstance, and because my self esteem was THAT low. better off dead, and all that.

    • @christerjakobsen8107
      @christerjakobsen8107 Год назад +14

      @@DumplingDoodle Soooo...you wanted the pain and suffering of your low self esteem to stop?

  • @BlueBamboo9
    @BlueBamboo9 5 месяцев назад

    It feels like it's the only way out and, despite trying, no one hears our cries for help.
    Which keeps the "It's the only way out" mindset fresh.

  • @mikesuarez7539
    @mikesuarez7539 9 месяцев назад +1

    The doctor tag at the bottom of this video is honestly one of the best things I’ve seen on RUclips in a while.

  • @chrismacinnes3770
    @chrismacinnes3770 11 месяцев назад +31

    What if the abuser is society. However, I do accept that severe psychological violence against male partners is treated as socially acceptable.

    • @user-wr2cd1wy3b
      @user-wr2cd1wy3b 9 месяцев назад +10

      Yeah as a guy, by the far the hardest and most cruel treatment I've ever experienced is by females. I think they assume that the male exterior means we've got emotional armor on or something, so you can say or do whatever and _it had no affect._ lol. Not all chicks, but some I think might think something like this.

    • @injusticeanywherethreatens4810
      @injusticeanywherethreatens4810 9 месяцев назад +2

      Sorry for what yall have been rhrough. And yes I do think we need to chamfe society

    • @samneibauer4241
      @samneibauer4241 6 месяцев назад +4

      We live in a socioeconomic system that deliberately isolates people and destroys social connections in order to make us even more exploitable. Conservatives lament the crumbling of the atomic family, but this is only the stage after the destruction of the broader social networks that everyone had before industrialization. No longer are we raised by a village and have a relationship with everyone in it.
      Instead we are raised in small family units (if at all) and have an ever-shifting pool of small disconnected friend groups that fade with time as we go through middle school, high school, 1st job, 2nd job, college, 3rd job, etc. The workplace is often the only in-person social network people have, and that is often toxic because of the competitive, "Just worry about yourself" work culture.

  • @fahed2544
    @fahed2544 10 месяцев назад +6

    Finally, people are starting to get it

  • @sonofatlas1372
    @sonofatlas1372 8 месяцев назад +2

    I lost 3 friends like this god I’ve never cried so much.

  • @NachitenRemix
    @NachitenRemix 11 месяцев назад +1

    I love this message, mental help is a neccesary but sometimes not sufficent way of fixing your life

  • @jc2386
    @jc2386 10 месяцев назад +3

    Its called money, it changes everyone's life +condiserate kind attention and knowing what the person needs.

  • @jaredquaglieri3731
    @jaredquaglieri3731 Год назад +43

    Dr. K gotta be the only therapist who knows what "becoming an hero" means

    • @gargantuangouda605
      @gargantuangouda605 Год назад +1

      an hero... man I haven't heard that for a long time

    • @christerjakobsen8107
      @christerjakobsen8107 Год назад

      @@gargantuangouda605 Has it been a while since you've lost the game?

    • @scarose
      @scarose Год назад

      ​@@christerjakobsen8107damn you!

    • @boxlad7583
      @boxlad7583 Год назад +4

      just for future reference, he's a psychiatrist, not a therapist. Not that therapy is not a respectable job of course, but he worked real hard to be a psychiatrist so it's only fair to give him that credit

    • @BlackSakura33
      @BlackSakura33 11 месяцев назад

      Lol

  • @Tremuoso
    @Tremuoso 7 месяцев назад

    Death feels like the only possible relief from endless isolation.

  • @aspenindenial
    @aspenindenial 10 месяцев назад +2

    "suicide is not a choice, but rather, a consequence of having no choices left"

  • @timtabutops4611
    @timtabutops4611 Год назад +6

    I think there's surely a direct relation between that number being low and the percentage of men with mental health issues that don't get them professionally diagnosed, right?

    • @gorkyd7912
      @gorkyd7912 Год назад +2

      What are you implying? That if everyone was professionally diagnosed a larger number would have mental illnesses? Why not just put getting divorced into the DSM so we can continue pathologizing people's responses to being victimized.

  • @fruitygranulizer540
    @fruitygranulizer540 Год назад +13

    as someone who was very close to suicide before, it's not that death was the "only way out."
    it's that death seemed like a better option than continuing to live. that not waking up the next day felt like a convenient thing. since it's obviously better than waking up the next day.
    it's really more like the "easy way out" rather than the "only way out." some people drink to escape reality when they're sad, some people go out on drives, some go to the gym. death seemed like the permanent solution to escape reality once and for all.

  • @gohardgibson
    @gohardgibson Год назад

    Spot on. It’s good you have shown light on this part. Shame/humiliation/disappointment are killers!

  • @nisemono1625
    @nisemono1625 Год назад +1

    When you put it that way, depression sounds like a protective mechanism against suicide

  • @djplatinium100
    @djplatinium100 Год назад +4

    The most tragic thing is toxic and narcissistic parents from the beginning.
    Please, if your not ready and nature enough just don't have kid's and don't fuck them up

    • @gorkyd7912
      @gorkyd7912 Год назад +2

      No one who is immature knows how mature they are, that's part of being immature.

  • @LobotomyTC
    @LobotomyTC 10 месяцев назад +4

    Suicide and depression is a natural and APPROPRIATE response to the degenerate world we inherited. Things were not this bad when we grew up, and anyone who has lived long enough knows things are not going to get any better. I DO remember a better world, and I know I can never go back. How could anyone possibly convince people that there is a future at all, much less, a good one?

  • @zibbitybibbitybop
    @zibbitybibbitybop Год назад +1

    This is a valid point. Even people with severe major chronic depression won't necessarily kill themselves if they're in a situation where they have the support necessary to try to fight through it. There's always an external reason, there has to be.

  • @michellewinslow5849
    @michellewinslow5849 4 месяца назад

    Yes! I agree with this. It was
    True in my practice as a
    Mental health nurse practitioner. ❤

  • @Fullyautomagic
    @Fullyautomagic Год назад +25

    You’re saving the world my friend

  • @MrWinMrWin-qr2bn
    @MrWinMrWin-qr2bn 8 месяцев назад +2

    Change something in their life. Not to change them. I appreciate that very much.

  • @martindovah3810
    @martindovah3810 8 месяцев назад

    I've actually read a therapist's thoughts on stuff like this. A lot of people have struggles that aren't necessarily mental illness, but are consequences of systemic and surrounding factors, like subjection to bigotry, poverty, abusive relationships, etc.

  • @Kashmoney9678
    @Kashmoney9678 4 месяца назад

    You’re great dr K keep going brother

  • @jamiececilielange5249
    @jamiececilielange5249 Год назад +50

    A lot of these men are lonely, a problem that should be solvable, but society is kind of built in a way where making friends can be hard.
    People often stick to the friends they already have, leaving the lonely people on the outside looking in.

    • @albertoalves1063
      @albertoalves1063 Год назад +11

      Not only friends, but a girlfriend or wife is in my opinion a bigger thing in loneliness, but feminism made woman have bad behaviors and out of touch standards, like you can't be broke and expect a girl will be by your side giving you emotional support to overcome your situation

    • @jamiececilielange5249
      @jamiececilielange5249 Год назад +29

      @@albertoalves1063 Women depended more on a man's income before feminism, and would then have to worry more about a man's income back then, so I don't think feminism has much to do with men being lonely. The more independent a woman is financially, the less she has to care about what a man earns.

    • @albertoalves1063
      @albertoalves1063 Год назад +2

      @@EpicJonah I know that is not everyone, but this happens a lot around me, family and friends, I'm not talking a MGTOW thing, I don't support them, I'm just saying what I see happening in in real life

    • @sadler812
      @sadler812 Год назад

      ​@@albertoalves1063 In polling, in lab studies, and in behavior on dating apps, we consistently see that women are very willing to date below their "out of touch" financial and physical standards. Try getting out of your bubble and interact with more people.

    • @MrGoldfish8
      @MrGoldfish8 11 месяцев назад +5

      ​@@albertoalves1063No, feminism is not the problem, but the solution.

  • @mackeralsmackers
    @mackeralsmackers 10 месяцев назад +5

    It's not acceptable to be seen as weak for a man. There aren't support systems or even a narrative out there specific to suicidal men. You talk, you get ostracized. We'd rather work it out alone because of that instead of talk it out. Then at the end of the road when all options are used up and it feels like there's nothing left that you can do which leads to a very very dangerous road. It shouldn't be surprising that men don't show mental illness in that aspect. I wish this was common knowledge but even when people say it's okay for men to cry, there's an underlying narrative where no one likes a whiny and emotional man. Women can do that and are seen as vulnerable and to be protected. Men are seen as disposable and a liability if you present yourself as such.

  • @masteraidan3325
    @masteraidan3325 8 месяцев назад

    Those words are a breath of fresh air that I've been waiting for for 20 years.

  • @subhadramahanta452
    @subhadramahanta452 10 месяцев назад +1

    Highly agree with this! Thanks for saying!

  • @Shxrtsx1
    @Shxrtsx1 11 месяцев назад +3

    It's not like death is the only option its just that it seems like a much better option than constantly suffering on a daily basis.

  • @letsreadtextbook1687
    @letsreadtextbook1687 Год назад +22

    Preach 👏

  • @nathanieldonigan3659
    @nathanieldonigan3659 7 месяцев назад +1

    These comments are heartbreaking. To anyone reading this, especially the men who feel beaten down, used, worthless, and alone, know that you matter. There is always something worth fighting for. There is always something worth living for. I know it doesn't feel that way always. Maybe it never feels that way. But it's true. Find love, or get religion, or apply yourself to self-improvement, do something! Seek professional help, because you are probably not ok. But please don't give up. You are needed. You are important. It can get better. You may feel alone, but you are not. There are others like you, and we can lift each other up. Stay strong brothers 💙

  • @sunshinelizard1
    @sunshinelizard1 11 месяцев назад +1

    I think the focus that psychoanalysis has on changing the person ignores the need to build something in their life. Both are needed.

  • @jdata
    @jdata 11 месяцев назад +8

    This logic applies to mass shootings. Many try to blame mental illness alone when environmental, social, and legislative factors play a role

  • @TheTsugnawmi2010
    @TheTsugnawmi2010 Год назад +29

    I’ll change one small use of language. When people choose suicide it’s because THEY THINK suicide is the only way out, not that “suicide is the only way out”.
    Is it pretentious to highlight this difference? Maybe when looking from the outside in, but when you can get them to think they have an alternative it means the world

    • @vivvpprof
      @vivvpprof Год назад +14

      Think of a stage 4 cancer patient. Total loss of control over life, living with unbearable pain on a daily basis, inability to self-actualize. If the subjective reality of a psychiatric patient is the same, meaning they're suffering gets to a level that is no longer bearable, you can kind of understand why suicide is the only option for them.

    • @TheDumbRatMan12
      @TheDumbRatMan12 Год назад +1

      @@vivvpprofexcept that is still treatable if it’s actually found. There is always SOMETHING that someone can do to revamp and fix their life. It is never too late unless you have a terminal physical illness.

    • @Omarthedemigod
      @Omarthedemigod Год назад +4

      @@TheDumbRatMan12That’s a big IF bro. No need to hold out for something that’s only based in feelings and not any sort of fact.

    • @laurelgardner
      @laurelgardner Год назад +11

      This is all too individualistic. We are failing men *as a society* and there comes a point where individual solutions don't cut it. That doesn't mean there's no hope, but it may mean a person is powerless to find it for themself.

    • @TheTsugnawmi2010
      @TheTsugnawmi2010 Год назад +1

      @@vivvpprof No I don't understand because none of what you said makes suicide the only option. You've just to the grimmest possible situation to justify your own conclusion. And even then, Stage 4 cancer is treatable...

  • @CalzaTheFox
    @CalzaTheFox 6 месяцев назад

    I'm glad that I've never run into any instances of people under the assumption that men committing suicide is a form of illness, but it is also possible that it is perpetrated by the understanding that depression is not normal, and wanting to kill yourself is not normal, so maybe some correlate the two.
    More often than not, what I've experienced is being driven to a point of unending anxiety, stress, fear, loathing, self hatred, and or lack of freedom. The mind starts to rationalize suicide as an escape from these things. One of the easiest ways to alleviate this is to get out of the situation that's causing it.. but easy is a relative term here. Toxic family situations, relationships, or jobs are big factors in this.

  • @clover4925
    @clover4925 8 месяцев назад

    Its a strange and scary position where death is more comforting then frightening

  • @experienceseeker07
    @experienceseeker07 Год назад +7

    21 years old male myself. There were lot of times in my life where I would wish to stab myself in my heart. To betray myself by ending myself, for the shame my life has been and what I keep putting myself through. In those times, embracing by mortality by being mindful of death keeps me calm. All my suffering and joy are the consequence of my ability to experience, because I exist. So I thank myself and forgive myself, because my self is my lifelong responsibility.

    • @azizalfa752
      @azizalfa752 8 месяцев назад +1

      I don’t feel joy how its with women ? 😂
      I am 23 zero experience 😢 men this world Job women friends or even some nice people to find or keep or have it its like impossible

    • @experienceseeker07
      @experienceseeker07 8 месяцев назад +2

      @@azizalfa752Me too. Never been in relationship with women or even friendship. Virgin. 22 now. Yeah, it's hard to be able to be part of wholesome relationships.

  • @jording1443
    @jording1443 Год назад +12

    Society does not consider men as a possible victim of itself. Society tells men to fix problems and blames any problem on them. And we still tend to claim men to be top perpetrator and benefited fromabuse dynamics. Now think about what type of society developa like that

    • @elise9537
      @elise9537 Год назад

      many problems cant be fixed and we are victims of how the world is functioning or malfunctioning. yes men are the top abusers :) but thats that. its best to learn how to stay away from the microabusers because we cant keep away from the ones at the top of our system. Minimize the problems.

    • @punkroxgirl
      @punkroxgirl Год назад +1

      I believe this was a huge factor in my dad’s suicide ten years ago. He was 60, so in his young adult life, most men didn’t even seek therapy and the stigma was worse. More people are starting to realize that men can just as easily be victims. In my dad’s case, he had severe trauma from extreme abuse of nearly every kind as a kid and then was orphaned at 12. He never got help for his trauma and when his physical conditions started really affecting his ability to do things for himself, it was more complicated because he didn’t really trust anyone to help except for me. There was only so much I could do if he refused treatment of so many kinds.
      My dad was essentially still that scared and abused child and though we still have a long way to go as a society, there is progress being made. I know many men that have been to therapy now, but that wasn’t the case just 20 or 30 years ago

    • @azizalfa752
      @azizalfa752 8 месяцев назад

      @@punkroxgirlnope its changed nothing and this sigma bs is growing because off neo feminism who tell women they can to us what ever they want cheat lie manipulation its a key for women or please look 80% off men who get not even once a gf nowdays in his 20 i am 23 its going bad maybe this world is onyl suffering for men who don’t have millions to fix that

  • @Tyrvana
    @Tyrvana Год назад +1

    I've got like bad depression and have been bullied and had like no friends irl at all and hardly online over the years and even when i was in the worst position in my life and even with getting no sleep. Being in a room for 4 years with no dreams, goals, hope or whatever.. I have never in my life been suicidal.

  • @TheBashful0ne
    @TheBashful0ne 10 месяцев назад

    I was suicidal due to societal pressure & insecurities. I'm still insecure but my suicidal thoughts went away