PROS AND CONS OF THE 2004-2008 ACURA TL | BROTHERLY REVIEWS
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 28 июл 2019
- Are you in the market for a pre-owned mid-sized luxury sedan for under $10,000? In this video, I explain why the 2004-2008 is a great car to fit your needs and budget!
Follow my build on IG @w1llz_113
Seat covers: www.endlessrpm.com/interior-a... 
Авто/Мото
Thumbs up for Type S community!
I miss my 08 Type S. It was automatic, but it was comfortable. Bought it with 80K miles, had to get rid of it at 216K. Had some bad luck with the belt ripping off one of the heads at 180K. Replaced the engine. At 216K, transmission was acting up. So we sold it before we would need to invest more money in a high mileage car. Loved the car though. Met my future wife, got married, drove this up the 1 on our honeymoon, this is the car we drove home our baby boy from the hospital, and a bunch of family trips. Now any cars we get, my wife is complaining saying it’s not like the TL!
Newer isn't always better. Just because the car has high mileage doesn't mean it's bad. Investing money into that trans was WAAYYY cheaper than buying a new car. Congratulations, you played yourself!
Tommiller8k but here’s the thing, I didn’t go out and buy new (I don’t think I’ll ever buy new, unless I got that kinda cash). I’m going to stick with the beater cars. Bought a 2000 Sienna, 134k mi for $3G out the door. I love this van, real comfortable, clean, no issues, can fit so much stuff, and I’ve already put almost 40k miles on. There are plenty of cars under $4k. Pay cash, no car payments or interest, don’t care if someone scratches it in the parking lot. If something more expensive than the value of the car comes up, then I can tryout another car. If I was better at fixing cars, then that’s a different story. but after replacing it with a used engine, replacing the cat, the smell of oil burning from the engine, and the trans doing some scary stuff, just didn’t want to deal with it anymore.
BIGjeffSanDiego Don’t worry about Tom comment. You did the right thing
Joseph Ocbamicael oh for sure! It was a hard thing to walk away from! We attach so many memories with our cars ya know? But as they get older, more things are going to wear out and need replacing. Also, since I’ve gotten more into Dave Ramsey, I love not having payments and knocking out our debts!
@@BIGjeffSanDiego Make yourself and your wife happy and get a TL again!!
really appreciate you still dedicate videos to such a small group of people.
Ted thank you, and I appreciate your support! 🙏🏾
I've had my 08 Type S since 2014, still running strong and probably the best car I've ever driven
@@joshuahumphries7743 Its awesome. I have an 08 Auto.
Im looking so hard to find a good 08 type s. Nice to hear good things about it
@@6z0 it's a great car. I love mine. Took me a while to find it
Eddie_salv 200k miles is a little much, but thats not bad for 4k, its a great car
@@eddie_salv5143 200k for 4k is too much $ find another. I bought mine for 3k an 06 T.L with 150xxx mileage
I have a ‘05 TL and it’s been treating me very well. It’s been slammed n cambered about 1” off the ground and it’s still holding up great. It’s back to stock now. Great car. Well ahead of its time.
got an 04 manual tl recently, i love this car, it aged beautifully
Dude... this is the 1st video i clicked on about acura reliability and I can’t tell you how well you’re doing. The video was so informative. You went in depth like it should be. That was so good it was stupid
Dave Choo i can’t tell you how much I appreciate your kind words, sir 🙏🏾 I’m working on a part 2 also
Thanks for posting! I love these TLs and picked up a few things I didn’t know about the transmissions. Take care!
One of the best Acura’s ever built love the video bro
Best review, your honesty is so much appreciated since the only thing I heard is only good things. Nice with the manual that's a gem.
William Garcia thank you bro!! 🙏🏾🙏🏾
Appreciate the video my brother, looking to pick up a type s very soon. This car is some special.
Buying a 04 tl type s tomorrow, was worried about issues with the car but u broke it down. Much love
Great video and your type s looks dope man. I've got WDP 07 Acura TL type s 6 speed and it's amazing.
Thanks bro apreciate your review on this car. Im considering getting one always loved this style of acura.
Like the video. I have a 2006 TL with the type S brakes manual transmission navigation. I bought the car back in 2008. 11 year's and it's still going strong no crack dashboard.
BIKE GEAR MOTOVLOG yeah you got lucky lol my 04 didn’t have a cracked dash either but that’s cos the first owner had it replaced
I love my 2007. To keep that dash board from cracking you definitely need to park in the shade and preferably in a garage most of the time and keep it out of the uv light. Also use conditioners and protectors on it to protect the pvc plastic
Great Vid have an 08 Nav Base I’ve owned for 6 yrs best car I’ve ever had hands down
I own my 04 TL for 13 years never had a problem with the transmission I have a 144500 miles with plenty of mods new parts car runs like new. I will never get rid of the car, by the way great video.
Awesome honest wholesome review. Looking for a ACURA.
i just sold my 04 tl with 175km yesterday... I'm a little sad lol, hense me watching this video. GREAT CAR.
I bought my first Acura TL in 2004 brand new Base with Navi and I added the A-spec Package and to the correction of the stock 3.2 It was 270Hp....I now own a 2008 Base model The 2007-08 are the Best Years!
Had my 07 Manual Type S since summer 2014 with 90k miles...
Now at 215k miles in 2020, wreckless teenage driving, and many wild rides, still moving strong!! 😁
Love my 05 tl base 6speed.Second owner, never getting rid of it.
Good video man! I just found an 08 type S for $4800. Complete steal, but yeah same problems, slightly cracked dash, ripped front seats. But other than that it runs phenomenally! Really fast car for the price range
Jared Williams damn that is a steal!!!! I’m trying to find another one for my girl lol
love Acura but don't love their Transmissions
Nice video man! I have an 08 Type-S and well and it's awesome
i got a 2006 TL A-Spec with a 6 speed manual transmission. super nice car, just wish it had an aux port LOL. jokes aside, these cars drive like a dream, and, in my opinion, are some of the best looking 4-door sports sedans on the market. Acura has yet to beat this timeless design. love seeing this beauty still getting love online today
Thank you for this video!
I just bought a 2007 TL TypeS.
I’ve been driving myself insane wondering if I made the right decision. Your video definitely helped me.
congrats on your purchase! glad I was able to help :)
Working on trying to buy the type s, thanks for making this video
Great video man! I ended up going with an 09 tsx but the 08 tl is fly too.
JeffSanabria my neighbor has an 09 tsx also. Original owner, over 200k. He loves it!
I have an 05 base 88,888 miles, have owned the car for just about 4 years. Repairs so far new starter and full brake job. timing belt was changed in 2015 before I purchased it. I'll drive it till it dies. A fun car!
Manual or automatic?
I had my 06 since 2018. Over a decade later, the car still looks so modern. Seats are very comfortable and it drives very well. This car also has the best brakes of any car I’ve driven, very responsive. I am shocked the 04-06 models have the transmission from the second gen though.
I own a 06 base as well, I've heard from a different source that the 04 to 06 do not have same transmissions as older models. They upgraded in the year 2004
I heard they got completely different transmissions from the 2nd gen
Thanks for the advice I was looking at a 04-06 Acura
I got 2nd Gen TL 230,xxx miles on it. Wish I could upgrade but over the drivetrain. Great first car for young guys.
I have a 07 type S auto and I love it. When I get lazy I can put in auto and when I want to shift the gears manually I can slap it over to slap shift, exact same as stick just no clutch and 5 gears in stead of 6 and you get f1 paddle shifters,
Also for the dash cracks and seat cracks use armor all leather protectant ive owned the tl for almost 3 years now 55k miles later im at 155k and still no cracks and it will freshen the seats
Btw very nice TL man take care of that car its going to skyrocket in value when the new typeS comes out because its a manual
I was t-boned in a 07 base model so one more pro point is that its pretty safe :)
Dusan Zec sorry to hear that brother .... I’ve seen people walk out of rollover accidents in these cars. Super safe for sure!
I was rear ended, 07 base as well. totaled it
All of these comments are telling me that the chassis for these vehicles are built rather well
Great video!! Keep up the good work!
Angel Salazar Preciate you 💪🏾
Thanks for the amazing information. Really did help. Love the car.
Thank you for the support brother! 🙏🏾
Clean Car.. I have an 06 in white with a 6 speed manual and the Brembo brakes.. Bought it for 6k over 4 years ago now and it has over 200k on it and still runs like a top.. I did upgrade the brakes to cross drilled and rotors and ceramic pads.. I must have gotten a good one because honestly the interior and riding noise is very quite and I've owned BMWs and audi's.. Honestly its my favorite car I've ever had and I'll probably keep it until something crazy happens that will cost to much to fix.. Nice job on the review
jerry chatham thank you Jerry! And that’s awesome, I’m glad you’re happy with your purchase. They’re great cars and thankfully you haven’t experienced the common issues they’re known for
Didn't know my 06 Tl 6 speed tran was rear. Wife got it custom brand new for my bday and still loves it. Fun to drive and faster than auto transmission by far. I race a few. Also Acura is the pioneer for voice command in in cars.
Have my Tl base for over 9 years and still going strong,I even drive for uber every day in it
very good review...just bought and 04 n I love it
I have an 06 TL automatic 160k miles drives beautifully
I have mine with 128k still smooth as can Be
Thanks for the info! i wanna start with an 04-05 make my way up!
Great content. Would love to see some first gen TSX content in a similar fashion. Well done!
Working on that :)
Tsx is a girls modal, I had one of them first and then my 07 TL and the tsx doesn't compare even 10%. If your a girl or a girly man then get the tsx. I'm just being honest 🤷
My wife has an 04. Our son put a cold air intake on it as a gift. She loves the intake noise! Also, we put slightly wider tires on the front and it handles significantly better. Great video!
Mark Cotter thank you! Check my channel for the last upload. I went with a much more aggressive tire and I went wider also and I don’t think I’ll ever go back to the stock size lol
Mark Cotter which cold air intake did your son purchase? I have a 4” aem with a K&N dry flow filter, and immediately noticed the increase in torque at low rpms.
@@BrotherlyReviews the same one! We love the way it pulls as the vtech kicks in...and the sound is awesome!
Mark Cotter awesome !! This is the first intake I’ve purchased where it actually improved power and torque instead of just sound lol
Have an 05 TL Base w/ Navigation (white pearl), 148 k miles. Been a great car for me after owning for a decade. Same issues w/ the seats and dash. Only thing I would add is that around 100k miles the handsfree/bluetooth started draining the power.
thanks for the vid man, im in the market for an 07-08
youre welcome!
I love my 2003 Cl-s with the 6 speed and navigation, all black. It has over 225,000 miles on it and runs like a champ. still stock besides wheels and stereo, and LED headlight upgrade and the fogs from a 2002 model, also with LED.
I always liked how these cars looked ..best looking acura sedan imo the one
Great vid dude
Great video. Keep up the great content. But those bumbaclot birds pissed me off lol 😜
rockjay81 😂😂😂 Preciate it!🙏🏾
For anyone considering buying an older TL I would absolutely encourage you to buy it. Ive bought my 05 used about 5 years ago with I think 40 K on it , and it is better than any new car I've ever owned. I've had new Mustangs a new Expedition and
I absolutely am in love with this car. My fiancee bought an accord with 14 k on it 1 year old couple years ago. Its nice and looks good but it doest feel anywhere near as solid m as my 05. If you can find a manual GET IT!!! its a lot of fun. Anything over 3rd gear 3000 to 4000 rpm this car gets moving. I'm not saying you should head to the race track but its great usable power. On the right stretch of highway I still run it up to 100 mph just because it does it so easy and quickly. Never had any serious issues with 140 K on it currently. I just wanted to let anyone thats looking know its a really solid ride. I am going to have a hard time switching out so I'm already looking for another used one. When the brand new Type S comes out in the spring I will consider it if lives up to its predecessor, but bang for the buck these models are amazing cars. I don't ever see myself switching brands.
Okay, it was one of the cars, which I was going to buy it, until seeing that. It had 125k miles and was only $3400 with automatic trans, thank you verrrryyyy much. I will go for a 07 Civic Si or 07 Scion TC(it’s like $1k cheaper), gotta buy one of these in few months.
There’s a couple more things to look out for on these cars but you hit some good ones! I have an autotragedy so I’m pretty jealous haha!
Kevin Lozano which one do you have, the 04-06 or 07-08? And crazily enough, I didn’t have any issues with my 04 auto. All I had to do was change the fluid and the gear pressure switches, and it never gave me an issue ever again 👌🏾
Brotherly Reviews I have an 07 type s auto so I know the tranny is a bit better than those 04-06 but still wished a 6 speed. Took half a year to find a decent type s in general
Kevin Lozano the 07 Type-S auto I had a couple years ago had almost 300k! Lol still on the original engine and trans and it shifted like butter. Way better trans and engine for sure 🙏🏾
05 Acura base TL, 300,000 miles and growing - drives as beautiful as ever
Yeah man! Love those Tl type s models. Gotta 06 Rl bt 153000 on her had her bt a year and loving it! Salvage title car though gotta great deal. If I sell her it’s going to be for a is or gs Lexus or A newer tlx or rlx
I have a 07 TL-S manual with 232k miles. Such a great car
I have the blue 08 type s.. I love this car I had it going on 3 years.. it has 116k miles, and it drives awesome, I had mustang and driving audi and many other sport cars.. but ill say this is the best car I've driving.. is fun to drive and fast.
bought a 08 Type S in black like yours about 2 months ago.. 120k miles on it.. love it so far
How much did u pay I found a type s 08 for 72k miles
@@370zLogan I paid 6k
@@370zLogan I got In a wreck... destroyed that one..and just bought another TL type s
Great vid homie just subscribed
Thank you!
Thanks for making this video and the honest advice
David Thornburg welcome sir preciate the support!🙏🏾🙏🏾🙏🏾
I agree with you about the leather seats. My passenger's seat was cracking before the driver's. It's weird because it should be the other way around.
My passenger seat wore out before the driver seat also lol found it weird too
I am in the market for an Acura TL. I'm 18 and I got my first car about 4 months ago, a 2006 Saab 93 aero. It's a very fun quick little car, and the quirky nature of the Saab was so cool to me. I love the car to death but it's giving me trans issues so I unfortunately have to sell it. I was looking at the Lexus IS350 but it's just a little bit out of my price range (I realistically have about 5K to spend). I recently ran across the Acura TL and I am very intrigued. '07 and '08 all seem to be a little out of my price range, and the transmission issues you spoke of make me nervous about getting an '04 - '06. The other videos I watched mentioned the infamous transmission issues from the models before and after this body style, but they said with the new model in '04 (3rd gen) they were resolved? I just don't want a repeat of getting a bad trans after being thrilled about a new car lol
I have an 06 TL with 131xxx miles automatic, I tried to find a manual but are hard to find. also let me just say that if you maintain both engine and trans change the oil regularly and not mistreated your trans will last for a long time. I’m actually about to flush the ATF, clean the solenoid and change the 3rd and 4th sensor plugs, but other than that great video
Great video, i believe you about the interior noise lol my 2017 Ford focus that i use to have made noises too 😂😂 and it was brand new so it really sucked
Jomar Figueroa Colon I rented a couple of those and honestly don’t remember the interior noise. It was way too long ago lol
@@BrotherlyReviews mines problably was defective 😂😂😂😂
Jomar Figueroa Colon i hope not!😂😂😂😂
Jomar Figueroa Colon but hey you got something much better now. Maybe I need to do a review on it? 👀🤔
I'm glad you told me about the horsepower difference because I'm really trying to figure out how the same engine loss HP in a year.
We were all confused about that for a while lol
I have the the 07 Type-S Aspec 6 speed manual, same color as yours. Absolutely love it.
is buying automatic 08 type-s is smart decision or manual 08 type-s( paying extra 5k cad as a premium)?
@@jayeshkuwar760 the manual transmission will give you less trouble later on, but since they make very few of them you have to pay extra.
@@RevampMotors I am just worried if overpaying for that rarity. Also, I will miss on 2008 is350 for the same money. Shall I pass or get it?
@@jayeshkuwar760 It all depends on what YOU like, drive them both and see what you like best. Every car has their own issues, but if you love it, then it won't matter when you have to fix it.
Super informative bro. Just entered the TL family. Might need some help.
Welcome to the family!!🙌🏾
Best car accurate ever made they need a remake the 04 to 08 as a new 2022 model watch it sell like crazy
I looked up the few type S’s for sale in my area and they all want 16-18k for a ‘06-‘08 with 150-200k mi. Type S TL was a gem.
Good video bro.. lmk when we Do the R
Esteban U do you want to do it tomorrow?
240ishk and still running strong. No issues on my Acura TL 06. 💪💯
@Tu Papi Yes sir. Kept up with all my maintenance. These cars are tanks lol. I been trying to find a Type S but 11 years ago I bought my care for 8k cash. I don't want to pay the same amount for what i paid for a type S.
I have my TL 06 actually have 129k I would like to make it last that long too 😩😩
@@simonisdanilo255 I bought mines at 125k. Just make sure you do your maintenance on em and your fine. Obvously look out for gaskets and seals that need to be changed. its a awesome daily driver.
@@PollyTheStupid it really is I enjoy every ride that I do with the car
I’m actually going for the seal like you said I’ve got some leak already
bought an 04 base AT with 345k KMs on it for 1100 a while ago. Awesome car but hate how motor mounts seem to be weak on these (still in the middle of changing out all of them plus trans mounts). Assuming that's why I can feel the motor vibrating through the steering wheel, and there's a pretty good rattling sound at like 1700 which sounds like it's coming from near the firewall, unless if something else is loose ie exhaust. Trans also takes a long time to go from R to D but doesn't slip and shifts fine, hoping a full trans fluid change will help fix this. The power steering acts weird at speed, it'll suddenly start pulling left. Do these cars have basic power steering or are there valves and stuff to alter resistance/ratio causing my problem? Sorry for rambling but would love advice!
Your NBP is so clean 😍. What are you lowered on? And did you install the A-Spec kit yourself?
Denniz Dennett Tein street flex. Aspec came with it.
Great vid bro... It's that gen of Honda auto v6... They all where bad... The odessey being the worst because of weight to torque
Just bought one love it
love the fact you are rocking our flag Jamaica land we love great video
Linford Wolliston gotta rep the motherland ✊🏾
Kai Sarasch Preciate you! 🙏🏾
My wife got that same car is a really reliable car and fun to drive I did a couple bolt ons on it and a tune and currently dyno at 300 hp
John Pineda yeah I neeeeed to get mine tuned ASAP!🙏🏾
Just bought an 06 base model with only 67k miles can’t wait to modify her 😍
Nice, wish I could find something like that.
Frank Franzell The II dang those are baby miles!
Good video bro, just purchased my 07 tl type s...any tips for keeping the headlining up? Two corners in mine are drooping.
Kyle Judah there’s a spray glue you can buy from auto parts stores which is used for headliners
It sucks because prices around my area for an 07 to 08 type s is over 10k with over 130k miles. On top of that they're becoming harder to find with manuals and/or are overpriced. Wish me luck on finding one, thanks for the tips on these cars!
True. I bought my 07 new type S two years ago with 60k miles and got it for 10,900. Good deal I thought
Good vid!
Dope review! Wasn’t a fan of the TLs unless it’s a Type S But I genuinely love the tsx chassis over the TL!
I currently own 2012 Honda Civic and want to upgrade. I get from this video to stay away up to 2016. Which car is better quality: Acura 2017 or 2018? V4 or V6? Feedback appreciated. This will be my first time buying an Acura.
The 2004 to 2006 also had a sports package TL beside the base, came with brembo breaks, torsion LSD and 6 speed manuel.
Saskwach Gang yeah I know but was mainly going on about the tech options
I have a 2008 Acura TL with 160k miles. My dashboard is not cracked. And my seats are in prefect condition. The only problem I have is the navigation disc is now out of date and the little screen above the navigation that shows the time and inside temp has a slight shortage.
I own a abyss blue pearl 06 Acura TL 6 speed myself love it still, And always get compliments cause it’s comes with Brembo brakes..
KAI ZEN I had that same color on my first TL (2004) and a lot of people loved it! They only had that color for 2 years, so I didn’t see many of them at all, and especially yours being a 6mt in that color?? You got yourself a gem, my friend! 🙏🏾
@@BrotherlyReviews you got a gem too 6mt typeS is really rare.. Always wanted one in kenetic blue pearl 6mt but is so hard to find now there's mostly auto ones..
KAI ZEN yeah they really are super hard to find in kbp, wdp, and mrp. My friend had a super clean 08 KBP with only 77k, fully built and tuned, but was auto. Still a beautiful car either way
does the tl have any issues? i found one 05 in my price range but i don't know if i should go for it or put in a downpayment for a new car
Great review!
Where did you order those seat covers?
Thanks
Steve Simmons EndlessRPM.com
I as well have a 04 TL with 135k Miles on it and its a manual ;)
Great Car!
I have an 06’ TL with 190K still runs like a champ, but the transmission pressure switches are going out 😂
273k on my 2004 Acura TL automatic no issues drives and pulls like new.
I wrecked my 08 type s a few months ago..looking to buy another right now
‘05 Acura TL with 228,xxx it has everything from the original book every nook and cranny that was done to it and even the original price sticker from when it was bought off the lot I’m the second owner and it’s fast af!!!!!
Wow you even show love 💯 definitely subscribing to your channel
The 2004-06 3.2 TLS is 270hp. The 2000-2003 tls is 260. The difference is the compression. The 03 runs 10.5-1 & the 04 runs 11-1 compression pistons for a 10 hp gain. Regardless your review is excellent 👍
My dad has an 06 with an automatic. He has a little over 240K miles. His transmission went at 230K and he chose to refurbish it. At 240K miles he’s having to replace the controller arms and shocks, but still has a perfect dash! The navigation system is all jacked up but he was able to find a center console out of another TL at a junkyard and will eventually replace it. He recently bought a 2016 Tesla Model S and even tho he’s put around 8K miles on it in maybe a month or so, he still likes the handling and steering of his TL better than the model S.
I would love a Tesla Model 3, even the base trim, as a daily! But yes, seems like your dad has experienced the usual TL symptoms.
Brotherly Reviews It’s crazy to see the success that Tesla has had. It’s a huge adjustment going from gas to electric, but if your willing to change your lifestyle, you will be ahead of the curve going into newer generations of cars.
@@BrotherlyReviews Update on the dash, it's seen its first crack LOL. Don't know if you'll see this but your video reappeared on my recommended so I figured I come back and say hello!
@@andydarandy8026 We can't avoid the inevitable, I'm afraid. Thanks again for checking out the video!
how much did it take to rebuil
d the transmission?assyuming it was worth it?
I have an '08 and the only problem I had in common with you was the driver's seat bottom. I got the car with 45K on it and the seat bottom leather was already cracked. I could tell that the previous owner had done nothing to take care of the seats. By the time I hit 170K the seat split open. My solution was to replace the original material with higher grade leather. It was a quick job. It looks and feels great. No signs of any dashboard problems. I clean and treat it just like the seats.
the first TL I had (2004), both front seats wore out terribly. I paid $550 to have them redone and it wasn't even genuine leather or perforated smh never again lol did you get yours from leather seats.com?
@@BrotherlyReviews I got my seat bottom from theseatshop.com. It ran 240 for just the bottom. They have a really good video instruction on how to do the replacement. I just had to buy the clip crimping tool. It took a couple of hours to get the seat out, do the swap out and get the seat back in.
kedst2000 that’s not too bad. I’m actually considering having the original leather removed from the seats and having these seat covers stitched in .
@@BrotherlyReviews When you look at all of the crazy stuff we do with our cars, this is an easy job. You snip out the old clips and crimp the new ones in. The back is more involved, but it's manageable enough for anyone that wants to do it can.
I’m looking to buy a Acura tl type s and i saw one with 77,000 miles for $14,770. Is it worth buying it knowing that it could last a long time or i could buy one with more miles for cheaper, Give me your opinions
Do you recommend dropping an RL 3.5 engine in an 92' Legend?
Joshua Smith I’m pretty sure it can be done 🙏🏾
The 2004 - 2008 TL looks better then any other Generations TL IMO
Where'd you get those seat covers? Also, it seems to be impossible to find a low mileage Type-S with a manual here lol
Website is in the description sir. Clazzio.com is the original website for them and that’s where you can pick and choose the options and colors you want, and then go thru endless to get it for cheaper.
I have a ‘08 Acura TL-S as a 6MT and I love the car, I’m trying to do a build for the car to compete on the track in the future
DISHONORED ELITE I’m going for autocross soon!
Brotherly Reviews let me know how it goes, it’ll give me something to look forward to for more pros and cons with the handling, right now I’m running street basis z coilovers from Tein
DISHONORED ELITE I have tein street flex
Brotherly Reviews oooo ok ok, eventually I’m gonna go for BC Racing coilovers for a better suspension build or just go higher in tein’s performance
super expensive to boost. i need 6k i parts for 9psi 😭