I did a ton of shopping around for canons recently and landed on the 90d for the price and content like yours I've seen. We upgraded from a T3i so long over due but gave us access to the lenses we had as well as adding more to the library some of which we already owned. The video was and audio jack were the selling points for me. 1 SD card for me is no problem. C-log issue wasnt a concern for me, if it ever becomes a necessity we would be looking to spend a ton more.
I have both of these cameras. For both my photo (portraits, behind the scenes, sports, etc) and video things (shorts, vloggy bits, etc), the 90D won out as soon as the Oct. 2019 firmware (24fps) update arrived. I keep my 5Dm4 these days as a secondary or remote camera for both stills & video. The ergonomics & video versatility are big for me, and I've had no concerns or complaints about the stills. The 90D performs very nicely in low light, especially when you load that Technicolor/Canon profile for video use. But they're both very nice anyway.
And considering the huge price difference between the 90D($1500) and Mark IV($3200), you are not really getting that much better performance from the Mark IV and less features. So the choice between these Two cameras is pretty obvious!
I recently was at a wedding and the photographer was using the 5d mark iv. I kept thinking maybe I should sell my 90d and get the 5d instead. Thanks to you comment, I won’t look back again.
Great video. Each camera has features that the other one doesn't, so really it's down to what suits you best. Both take great pictures. The 5D is twice the price of the 90D, but are it's photos twice as good? Looking at the samples the answer has to be no. So if it's not down to pic quality, are you going to pay twice the price for dual card slots, full frame etc? At the end of the day, the 90D will take photos as good or sometimes better than the 5D, and that swivel screen allows for some amazingly creative shots. Personally, I don't need dual card slots or full frame, so I went for the 90D and love it!
I didn't use 5DIV however, used all the previous iterations i.e., 5D, 5DII and 5DIII. Agreed, the full frames create better image quality than the APS-C bodies. But the my recently purchased 90D has other weapons for me to use. It's a blend of DSLR and MILC. There's eye-tracking AF in live view which is present only in mirrorless cameras. Moreover, as a wildlife photographer; I can crop more, the burst is at pro-level and I can also stack extenders with my super telephoto native lenses when necessary and still get AF at small apertures in live view. Thank you for the video.
90D comes tomorrow, the shutter speed and weight plus cost won out for me doing wildlife and birds! Regardless, will be a massive upgrade from the t4i I've had for years!
Great vid bro. If I'm honest, I preferred the photos from the 5D mk IV, but preferred the 4k videos from the 90D. However, I would overall choose the 90D, because it's more versatile features suit my style of shooting. Only downsides to the 90D for me is the one card slot & lack of C-log.
I would agree. Plus, to counter the lack of clog, you can always add cinestyle to your pictures profiles. It ain't clog, but it gets the job done. The 5d is way more expensive, and for the price I'd rather get the 90d and spend more on lenses and gear in general with the leftover money.
I already have the 5D4 and wouldn't trade it for the world. I'm not a pro and shoot a lot of landscape, day and night. I won't bore everyone with the long list of why's, but I have an all out love affair with the 5D4. I think the 5D4 is a better choice to reveal and progress your personal skill and better prepare you in becoming a pro.
Articulating screen is always a must-have. Even old camcorders have it and why would canon make a fixed screen for 5d mark iv and i think it has been a major downside for the 5d mark iv.
@@KaiCreative which of the two cameras (5d mark iv or 90d) have the below functionality; 1. ability to have the camera screen "on" while the hdmi output is connected to a capture card or a tv screen 2. ability to have a clean hdmi output
I own a 90D and would trade it for the 5D in a heartbeat. Really like what the 5D offers. It is just too far out of my price range. But then I would be moving up into the mirrorless cameras if I had that much to spend. But I still like that 5D.
Both have pros and cons, but man, you can buy two 90Ds for the price of one 5DM4, if you are going to spend 2500$ for 5DM4, might as well go for R6 which is miles better than 90d and 5DM4 and it costs the same as 5DM4. But if your budget is 2500$ then go for 90D, and buy some used lenses, since if you cash out 2500$ just for the body, either for 5DM4 or R6, you won't have any money left for lenses. RF lenses currently are insanely expensive and barely better than EF lenses, and the used market is non-existent for RF lenses.
I am sorry, but I cannot agree with you on either point. I actively use both the 5D Mark IV and the R6 and definitely prefer 5D image quality (especially for stills) to the R6. On the other hand, as for lenses, the RF glass is much much better than the EF.
I have both cameras. With the 5D Mk IV I get near total success rates in terms of out of focus and image quality fails. When I take the 90D out I get a much, much greater number of fails, often the fails outnumbering the keepers. The 90D I find is at home on a tripod and dislikes being hand held, whereas the Mk IV is equally at home on tripod or hand held. Also, lenses that will work efficiently with the 90D are much less available and more costly than those for the 5D Mk IV. If I had to part with one I would let the 90D go and keep the 5D Mk IV, even though I would definitely miss the articulated screen.
I have the 90D and think its a fantastic camera. I never had an issue with focus and have good lenses but have had lesser ones and all performed well. I want to try the 5D iv as FF but not to replace it. The used cost is the same as new for the 90D and so can get out of it if wanted. I come from film SLR's
Great comparison man. This one is a really tough call. I think the full frame of the 5D Mark IV would make it my choice for stills, but the 90D looks actually really good for video work still! 5D just about for me!
My Canon 90D stop working because of the large snow flakes. Sent to Canon, they suggest replacement. I said no! But the camera suddenly start working again. BLESSED
Recently upgraded from the T7i to the 90D. And with only Canon lenses. FYI - some 90D owners have complained about soft focusing problems. Turns out if you don't have the right lenses the high megapixels on this crop sensor lens will cause problems. Before you buy, make sure your lenses will match. Not all Rebel lenses will be sharp. Fortunately, all mine work fine.
which of the two cameras (5d mark iv or 90d) have thge below functionality; 1. ability to have the camera screen "on" while the hdmi output is connected to a capture card or a tv screen 2. ability to have a clean hdmi output
Recently I got 90d and it's really great camera, photo is very sharp. paying double price won't give you 2x worth in photo quality. rather than buying 5d mark IV buy good lens instead.
The 90d is awesome! I think the low light shooting can be a little bit of an issue - but like you say - invest in some good lenses and it will really help 👍👍
I was looking to upgrade to a 90D perhaps next year and the price remains the major factor for me. However, every image / movie that I thought was noticeably better was shot on the 5D mk IV, which I guess is why it costs more and if money were not an issue I'd go for the 5D based on the results you can achieve.
If you had the 2500$ there would be zero reasons going for a 5-year-old camera when R6 costs the same and it's far better than 5DM4. You can get R6 with RF 24-105 F4 L lens as a bundle which would serve as a great first lens until you get another one. For people who already own 5DM4 and have invested in EF lenses then there is no reason to switch for now, but if you are just getting into cameras, it would be way better to get into mirrorless right from the start since that's the future. Canon won't be making DSLRs anymore and they are not making EF lenses anymore.
@@TheVlatko666 Sound advice. I expect the 90D could well be one of Canon's last DSLR and the R range is where Canon is heading and is probably the best option for beginners. I already have invested in Canon & Sigma EF lenses so I'm not looking to upgrade to the new R range just yet and may well choose to use EF lenses on Sony instead. Photography is not my main hobby. Given a budget of £3k I'd buy a good synth or studio FX. I'd be stretch to £1600 for a body. It's the ability of modern cameras like my M50 & SL3 to shoot video of my synths that has reintroduced me to cameras. I still love my OM4 & OM2 and Zuiko lenses. I was interested to see what Kai could do with the Canon 90D and whether a 2nd hand 5D IV would be a better mid term option?
@@TheVlatko666 I agree. If you want FF, don't waste your money on the severely outdated technology of the 5D line. Put you money into the RF mount. However, if you wish to stick with APS-C, then the EF-S line is still a good line of lenses, (and the M mount is functionally dead), so it would make sense to go with the 90D. I hate to see the M mount go because I love my little M100 which is basically a pocket camera with an APS-C 24 Mpixel sensor.
@@topshelf223 The 90D, 18-35 and 50-100 are all APS-C so I don't see why they shouldn't work unless anyone can tell us any different? I'd love the 18-35 in my own collection.
For the vast majority of shooters, the 90D is a much better choice in 2021. The 5D iv has features most people don't need, but clearly the FF sensor is much better for low light, probably by 2 stops. That might be hugely important for some, but probably not for the vast majority of enthusiasts and even many pros. The newer technology and design of the 90D (e.g. Digic 8, flip out screen, slightly higher resolution, better burst shooting, much better video, and a price tag less than half that of the 5D iv), makes it a much better choice for most. Add to that the cost of EF-S lenses vs EF lenses, and it's a no brainer to me. As for the comparison photos, the comparison you conducted is not valid. When using an EF lens on the 90D you are mis-matching equipment. The 90D is unable to take advantage of the big EF lens and as a result produces a weaker image. Test after test has shown that crop sensor cameras perform better with lenses designed for that sensor than they do with FF lenses. The Canon line of "pro" EF "L" vs. "consumer" EF-S lenses is a perfect case in point. Moreover, my own experience has consistently validated this for me; day after day my EF 24-70 f/4 "L" lens does not produce as good images as my EF-S 18-135 "consumer" lens on my little Rebel SL2. (I use the "L" lens on my old 5D ii.) Therefore, comparing an APS-C camera with a FF camera -- using only a lens designed for the FF camera -- is not comparing apples with apples. You should shoot the 90D using a comparable EF-S lens. For example, you could use the EF 70-200 on the 5D and the EF-S 55-250 on the 90D and compare those images for different settings. The image using the EF-S 55-250 lens on the 90D will be better than the image it produces using the EF lens. This is generally true, even though technically the EF-S lenses are not as good as the EF "L" lenses. Unless you compare the two cameras optimized with their proper respective lenses, it's not very useful information. (By way of analogy, if I'm running a race, I would rather have cheap shoes my size than top of the line shoes that are 2 sizes too big.) You should compare the entire APS-C system to the entire FF system, not just the camera bodies. Finally, weight. You say the 90D is "slightly lighter" than the 5D iv, but in fact it is a lot lighter. Using the 90D weight as a basis, the 5D iv is 27% heavier. Add to that the fact that FF lenses are bigger and heavier than their crop sensor counterparts, so with their respective optimized comparable focal-length lenses attached, the 5D is very much heavier! For instance, a 90D with the EF-S 55-250 lens attached weighs 1,076 grams. A 5D iv with the EF 70-200 L lens attached weighs a whopping 2,375 grams -- over twice as much. (And this is another reason why anyone with a crop sensor camera is foolish to be hauling around all that excess glass of a FF lens, only to get weaker images.) Pros who shoot weddings and such are welcome to their clunky 5D iv cameras. The 5D iv is a workhorse of a camera that can take advantage of the great "L" line of lenses. But the rest of us would be much better off with the 90D.
I have a canon 90d and a 17-55mm lens. The combination of these two together are amazing! I get super sharp images everytime. Currently debating on going to the 5d just because of the full frame and better performance in low light. But don’t know if it’s really worth the money since I love my 90d.
I dont think its worth upgrading in that case cause they both are pretty close. Maby consider one of the mirrorless ones? like Canon R6? But I think D5 IV is still a good call if you dont care about video that much.
5D4 everyday for stills. I don't shoot video so actually feel quite lucky that in a way, I have more options as I don't even have to consider the video aspects of a camera.
For photography the 5DIV is amazing- it’s funny that I originally bought it when it came out for video use , the additional add on 8bit Clog was marketed as an essential for any filmmaker - funny how quickly that became redundant- but for what it is essentially designed for, photography, it’s a Fantastic camera🤩 📷
In mirrorless, only the 70-200 lenses are lighter. All other weigh the same so no, weight is not an advantage all the time in Fullframe mirrorless. Speaking of weight i have both the sigma 18-35 f1.8 and the canon 16-35 f4 is and i tend to take the canon if weight is important or shooting static things like landscapes. The sigma kicks ass and takes names in low light and people pictures.
I originally own the 5D classic, which I loved very much, purchase on very the same time it launched, unfortunately it's throw the mirror, a few years back and Canon HK refuse to repair it, had to make do with a 1200D for family portraits. Many of the photos I have taken of my kids, with the 5D, years ago are far superior to the 1200D, I just miss the full frame, now before Canon drops the Mark IV, I have decided to go ahead and buy it today, arriving tomorrow, very excited. But it's locks me into a loan repayments, for the next 18 months, to Canon UK, I really hate getting loans, but really need a better camera to photograph the family. Lets hope it will last longer than the 5D classic!
The 5D classic mirror issue is something that I’ve heard from several people - such a shame - I believe Canon U.K. covered the repairs for a while and then stopped supporting that issue. The 5DMARKIV is a wonderful camera - you will capture some magnificent photos and memories with it 🙏👌
I've got the 90D and wish I had gone for the 5D. Mine has the notorious "soft focus" issue, and even in the comparison photos in the video, I could tell the 90D pics right away as they had a more washed-out look. Colour looked much richer in the 5D photos.
I thought I had that soft focus problem too, but then I bought the Sigma 18-35 lens and even my clients noted that the quality of my photos had improved exponentially. The point is that the problem may be more lens related than camera related.
Lol i have both call them Batman and robin. My 90D does take amazing video, and download cinestyle since it doesn’t have a log profile. The images that come out of my 5d just look better
I have a 90D and I'm very happy with it. for what I do it serves well. To get the best pics from the 90D you need to get new L Lenses because of the high resolution dens sensor. I would get the 5D IV if canon drops down the price to around $1500 then its worth getting in my opinion. If Im going to get a new camera for $2499 it would be the R6 with the EF adapter. Plain and simple.
I have a 5D MK IV and love it. I also have a 7D which I hardly ever use. If money was no object I would look at a Sony Alpha 1. It holds quite an edge in image quality at 50 megapixels.
I have the 90d , But am gonna go with the 5d , because of full frame , only shoot stills also, Tired of crop sensor, plus I sell my work, so full frame to me, makes sense,
I shoot with a Canon Rebel T6i and have been thinking of upgrading to the 90D. I mostly shoot macro (with the Tamron 90 mm f2.8), and occasionally birds and other wildlife, with the 55 - 250 STM. I'd consider a full-frame camera, but it would have to be 2nd hand, for cost reasons - a new 90D would already be stretching my budget. Which full-frame option should I consider, Kai? I´m not interested in switching brands, or to mirrorless, again for budget reasons.
This is a great question Peter, from the sounds of what you mainly shoot the 90D sounds like a great option 👌 you have that extra crop in your 55-250mm for bird/wildlife and your macro shots 👍 I use full frame because of the crystal clear quality that the sensor offers at higher ISOs but a lot is dependant on your lenses too - your 2.8 Tamron probably does a fantastic job 👌 to be honest the 90D covers a lot of what you are currently doing. However, if you wanted to expand on that to video or more professional shoots like weddings etc than going full frame would be my recommendation and the 5DmarkIV is an incredible first step into that world. Lots to think about Hopefully that helps a little 👌👌
@@KaiCreative Thank you for your feedback. The 55-250, which takes fantastic photos for its price, gives me good reach on a crop sensor, and the Tamron lens takes incredibly detailed shots. It's a cracking lens. I'd love to try on a FF sensor. Photography is strictly a hobby for me, so I´m not worried about making a living from it.
@@goldenfrog6EsCoSes Every crop sensor shooter goes through the agony that you are going through -- I did, too. You are thinking that the FF system would be much better and that you're missing out. After all, everybody raves about how much better FF is. You are thinking that if only you had the budget, you would have the FF system, too. Well, I'll bet you would be disappointed if you suddenly had all that FF gear at your disposable. I know I was. The FF system is better in some ways, but for most people it doesn't make any difference. The crop sensors produce great images when paired with the right lenses. Many pros use only crop sensor cameras -- do a little research and you'll discover that fact. Here's a suggestion: Rent some FF gear for a weekend and shoot what you usually shoot. Then compare those results to what you get now. I would be extremely surprised if you noticed any difference. Then the mystique of FF will have been dispelled, and you can go back to shooting good images at a much lower cost. And I agree that the 55-250 is a great lens. The 90D would be a great step up from the T6i and still allow you to use all your current lenses. Don't be drawn in to the "pro" argument that accompanies all the talk about the 5D iv. The fact of the matter is that the 5D line has not kept up with technology, and Canon has been moving its emphasis to the RF mount for the future. If you still decide you want FF, then I recommend going mirrorless to the RF mount.
I switched over to a full frame 5D IV from my old 7D. I take mostly bird photos with an old 600mm f4 as a source for my paintings, and I miss the "extended reach" with the crop sensor. Maybe I need both, one for macro (alas I have a macro for crop sensor) and get the 90D before my next trip abroad for birds. Faster shutter speed and reach might make it worth having both. I tried the 80D before getting the 5D, it seemed too light-weight and I worried about how robust the articulated screen would be...
I'm thinking of changing gear to get into wedding photography only and small videos here and there, the 90d looks good to me, but I hear that full frame is much better. and here I am more than confused Help !!!
I have a 5D mark III and a 90D. I mostly use my 90D. Well at least until I got my Cannon R7. I agree the full size sensor is better in many ways. But I'm very happy with my crop sensor cameras. I'm actually going to be selling my 5D mark III because I don't even use it anymore.
@@AlungSion Yes the R7 has a newer sensor that is the same 32.5mp as the 90D. But the quality is better. But the R7 really shines with its 4kfine setting. It's a much higher quality than even the 90D
@@SchardtCinematic Is it still worth to buy 90D for now? because the price of it is so different. In my country i can get a secondhand 90D for 900 dollars but 1,700 something for the new R7. Actually i'm interested with the 90D, R10 and the R7 for the APSC, and Sony a7II or above for the fullframe. But i doesnt love the small battery of R10 or the a7ii. Btw, i'm using my old 1100D untill now ahahahaha that's why i've planned to upgrade it
@@AlungSion The 90D is still a very good camera. If you can't afford the R7 then definitely go for the 90D it is still well worth the money. I use my R7 as my main camera and my 90D as my B roll camera.
@@SchardtCinematic Thanks for it man, I decided to buy the 90D because it was the one that suited my budget. Hopefully I can make good photos with it pair to my Sigma 17-50mm.
$1500 for the 90D and $3200 for the Mark IV, which has an older processor and less features than the 90D and not much better performance, the choice is pretty obvious! Not to mention that the 90D can use EF and EF-S lenses, where the Mark IV can't.
Great question! I've used the 5DM4 much more than the 6DMarkii - So I can vouch for the 5DMarkIV as a beast of a camera - I used the original 6D extensively and it was my first full frame and loved it!
@@KaiCreative but my dilemma lies more in the price...in Canada, the 5dmkIV is about 1050 pounds more expensive. Is it really 1000 pounds worth more than the 6D? Is it more future proof than the 6D?
@@ragheborfali3432 it depends on on what your priorities are. For professional use the 5Dmkiv is better. Focus points more spread out, dual card slots, weather sealing, much better sensor. Go for the 6Dmkii if you are learning photography as it’s still a good camera (I use the original 6D till today).
5D for Pros, 90D for amateurs. What you haven't put in outro is that the lenses for 5D are way more costy than for 90D and for amateurs that is what really matters. Pro's are more likely to spend thousands on lenses as they can just categorize it as a cost of business, enthusiasts however won't throw as much money on it.
The lenses make a much bigger difference in image quality than the body. I can see a massive difference in image quality going from the kit lenses to the L series lenses on the same camera.
From the comments I see that most people shoot video. On photography it's not even close. Everyone's talking about ISO, but the dynamic range is not even close. 5Dmk4 is waaay better for photos....it's not made for videos.
5D Mark IV easy, cause you get super sampled 1080p video which looks better than the Canon 90D's 1080p both at 60 fps and there is no comparison with the image quality as the 5D Mark IV is undoubtedly better in this regard.
But without the proper pairing of body to lenses, images from the 90D will never look as good as those from the 5D. His head-to-head image contest was flawed from the start.
I'm not going to be rude and put links to my videos, but I have the 90D and the 4K video is C-R-I-S-P ! Plus with CINESTYLE installed that somewhat makes up for lack of C-LOG.
Now with amazing software like Topaz Denoise AI, which can remove noise and grain from low light images up to almost %100 without affecting image quality, you can use higher ISO with a crop sensor and still make it look clean as if it was shot from a full frame!
Just getting into photography and I have no experience which is a better camera for sport filming and photography. please help I'm stuck and on a budget lol.
I think if you are starting your photography career you have to buy a lot cheaper camera as those cameras in this video are professional cameras. And especially if you have problems with budget you maybe need also lens and not only camera?
Which camera are you going for? The Canon 90D or the 5D Mark IV?
Let me know which one you want and why?
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@@ArifShahrizal Awesome! What are you looking to create?
90D
I will choose 90D, it's pretty good for photography and video. Especially, it's right for my budget.
I did a ton of shopping around for canons recently and landed on the 90d for the price and content like yours I've seen. We upgraded from a T3i so long over due but gave us access to the lenses we had as well as adding more to the library some of which we already owned. The video was and audio jack were the selling points for me. 1 SD card for me is no problem. C-log issue wasnt a concern for me, if it ever becomes a necessity we would be looking to spend a ton more.
I have both of these cameras. For both my photo (portraits, behind the scenes, sports, etc) and video things (shorts, vloggy bits, etc), the 90D won out as soon as the Oct. 2019 firmware (24fps) update arrived.
I keep my 5Dm4 these days as a secondary or remote camera for both stills & video.
The ergonomics & video versatility are big for me, and I've had no concerns or complaints about the stills.
The 90D performs very nicely in low light, especially when you load that Technicolor/Canon profile for video use.
But they're both very nice anyway.
Thanks for sharing your experience with both of these cameras Bob!
And considering the huge price difference between the 90D($1500) and Mark IV($3200), you are not really getting that much better performance from the Mark IV and less features. So the choice between these Two cameras is pretty obvious!
I recently was at a wedding and the photographer was using the 5d mark iv. I kept thinking maybe I should sell my 90d and get the 5d instead. Thanks to you comment, I won’t look back again.
Thanks
Great video. Each camera has features that the other one doesn't, so really it's down to what suits you best. Both take great pictures. The 5D is twice the price of the 90D, but are it's photos twice as good? Looking at the samples the answer has to be no. So if it's not down to pic quality, are you going to pay twice the price for dual card slots, full frame etc? At the end of the day, the 90D will take photos as good or sometimes better than the 5D, and that swivel screen allows for some amazingly creative shots. Personally, I don't need dual card slots or full frame, so I went for the 90D and love it!
It's a no brainer -- 90D for me!
But how big a memory card is enough?
I didn't use 5DIV however, used all the previous iterations i.e., 5D, 5DII and 5DIII. Agreed, the full frames create better image quality than the APS-C bodies. But the my recently purchased 90D has other weapons for me to use. It's a blend of DSLR and MILC. There's eye-tracking AF in live view which is present only in mirrorless cameras. Moreover, as a wildlife photographer; I can crop more, the burst is at pro-level and I can also stack extenders with my super telephoto native lenses when necessary and still get AF at small apertures in live view.
Thank you for the video.
This video just helped me chose the 90D. Thank you for all the information this was very very helpful!
Glad it was helpful! It's an amazing camera! 😃
I'm going to get the 90d purely for the cheaper price tag and the swivel screen for low shots
Truely a content creators camera - thanks for sharing!
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Bought the 90d in March then in April a month later I bought the Canon EOS R5 now I'm selling my 90d with less than 50 shots taken from it
@@brianpratt2432 do you have a Instagram mate I'd love to buy it off you
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90D comes tomorrow, the shutter speed and weight plus cost won out for me doing wildlife and birds! Regardless, will be a massive upgrade from the t4i I've had for years!
I bought a 90D two years ago, and, as a keen amateur, I find it does everything I could ever need, and the companion phone/tablet app is brilliant.
Great vid bro. If I'm honest, I preferred the photos from the 5D mk IV, but preferred the 4k videos from the 90D. However, I would overall choose the 90D, because it's more versatile features suit my style of shooting. Only downsides to the 90D for me is the one card slot & lack of C-log.
I would agree. Plus, to counter the lack of clog, you can always add cinestyle to your pictures profiles. It ain't clog, but it gets the job done. The 5d is way more expensive, and for the price I'd rather get the 90d and spend more on lenses and gear in general with the leftover money.
As I pointed out in my comment, the L lens on the 90D will not perform as well as an EF-S lens. His comparison photos are misleading for this reason.
Technicolor has a great Cinestyle profile I use on my 90D, not quite C-Log but still pretty sweet, gives me extra room in post. And it's free!
I already have the 5D4 and wouldn't trade it for the world. I'm not a pro and shoot a lot of landscape, day and night. I won't bore everyone with the long list of why's, but I have an all out love affair with the 5D4. I think the 5D4 is a better choice to reveal and progress your personal skill and better prepare you in becoming a pro.
Thanks for sharing your experience, definitely a great camera, I've used mine for so many professional and passion projects!
Articulating screen is always a must-have. Even old camcorders have it and why would canon make a fixed screen for 5d mark iv and i think it has been a major downside for the 5d mark iv.
Yep was a major issue when I wanted to use it for recording my earlier RUclips video 🥲
@@KaiCreative which of the two cameras (5d mark iv or 90d) have the below functionality;
1. ability to have the camera screen "on" while the hdmi output is connected to a capture card or a tv screen
2. ability to have a clean hdmi output
for comparison, the 2 best dslrs will win against mirrorless (price to performance) 4:07
I own a 90D and would trade it for the 5D in a heartbeat. Really like what the 5D offers. It is just too far out of my price range. But then I would be moving up into the mirrorless cameras if I had that much to spend. But I still like that 5D.
Both have pros and cons, but man, you can buy two 90Ds for the price of one 5DM4, if you are going to spend 2500$ for 5DM4, might as well go for R6 which is miles better than 90d and 5DM4 and it costs the same as 5DM4. But if your budget is 2500$ then go for 90D, and buy some used lenses, since if you cash out 2500$ just for the body, either for 5DM4 or R6, you won't have any money left for lenses. RF lenses currently are insanely expensive and barely better than EF lenses, and the used market is non-existent for RF lenses.
I am sorry, but I cannot agree with you on either point. I actively use both the 5D Mark IV and the R6 and definitely prefer 5D image quality (especially for stills) to the R6. On the other hand, as for lenses, the RF glass is much much better than the EF.
I have both cameras. With the 5D Mk IV I get near total success rates in terms of out of focus and image quality fails. When I take the 90D out I get a much, much greater number of fails, often the fails outnumbering the keepers. The 90D I find is at home on a tripod and dislikes being hand held, whereas the Mk IV is equally at home on tripod or hand held. Also, lenses that will work efficiently with the 90D are much less available and more costly than those for the 5D Mk IV. If I had to part with one I would let the 90D go and keep the 5D Mk IV, even though I would definitely miss the articulated screen.
Canon does a brilliant job giving you certain features on one camera and not on the other, like that flip screen you do not get on the 5d Mark iv ..
I have the 90D and think its a fantastic camera. I never had an issue with focus and have good lenses but have had lesser ones and all performed well. I want to try the 5D iv as FF but not to replace it. The used cost is the same as new for the 90D and so can get out of it if wanted. I come from film SLR's
Great comparison man. This one is a really tough call. I think the full frame of the 5D Mark IV would make it my choice for stills, but the 90D looks actually really good for video work still! 5D just about for me!
My Canon 90D stop working because of the large snow flakes. Sent to Canon, they suggest replacement. I said no! But the camera suddenly start working again. BLESSED
Recently upgraded from the T7i to the 90D. And with only Canon lenses. FYI - some 90D owners have complained about soft focusing problems. Turns out if you don't have the right lenses the high megapixels on this crop sensor lens will cause problems. Before you buy, make sure your lenses will match. Not all Rebel lenses will be sharp. Fortunately, all mine work fine.
Don't keep us in suspense. Which lenses do you recommend and which do you not recommend?
@@timothylatour4977 24-70mmL f/2.8 II USM, 100mmL f/2.8 Macro, 70-200mmL f/4 IS and 50mm f/1.4
@@timothylatour4977 sigma 18 35
Are yoy happy getting the 90D? I have a T7i and I want to upgrade too.
On a 90D, both pics focused OK, but noticed a considerable amount of noise at ISO 10,000 compared to 5000. These were night shots.
which of the two cameras (5d mark iv or 90d) have thge below functionality;
1. ability to have the camera screen "on" while the hdmi output is connected to a capture card or a tv screen
2. ability to have a clean hdmi output
Recently I got 90d and it's really great camera, photo is very sharp. paying double price won't give you 2x worth in photo quality. rather than buying 5d mark IV buy good lens instead.
The 90d is awesome! I think the low light shooting can be a little bit of an issue - but like you say - invest in some good lenses and it will really help 👍👍
I was looking to upgrade to a 90D perhaps next year and the price remains the major factor for me. However, every image / movie that I thought was noticeably better was shot on the 5D mk IV, which I guess is why it costs more and if money were not an issue I'd go for the 5D based on the results you can achieve.
If you had the 2500$ there would be zero reasons going for a 5-year-old camera when R6 costs the same and it's far better than 5DM4. You can get R6 with RF 24-105 F4 L lens as a bundle which would serve as a great first lens until you get another one. For people who already own 5DM4 and have invested in EF lenses then there is no reason to switch for now, but if you are just getting into cameras, it would be way better to get into mirrorless right from the start since that's the future. Canon won't be making DSLRs anymore and they are not making EF lenses anymore.
@@TheVlatko666 Sound advice. I expect the 90D could well be one of Canon's last DSLR and the R range is where Canon is heading and is probably the best option for beginners. I already have invested in Canon & Sigma EF lenses so I'm not looking to upgrade to the new R range just yet and may well choose to use EF lenses on Sony instead. Photography is not my main hobby. Given a budget of £3k I'd buy a good synth or studio FX. I'd be stretch to £1600 for a body. It's the ability of modern cameras like my M50 & SL3 to shoot video of my synths that has reintroduced me to cameras. I still love my OM4 & OM2 and Zuiko lenses. I was interested to see what Kai could do with the Canon 90D and whether a 2nd hand 5D IV would be a better mid term option?
@@TheVlatko666 I agree. If you want FF, don't waste your money on the severely outdated technology of the 5D line. Put you money into the RF mount.
However, if you wish to stick with APS-C, then the EF-S line is still a good line of lenses, (and the M mount is functionally dead), so it would make sense to go with the 90D.
I hate to see the M mount go because I love my little M100 which is basically a pocket camera with an APS-C 24 Mpixel sensor.
I have the sigma 18-35 and 50-100 are you saying it won’t work on a 90d? Thanks
@@topshelf223 The 90D, 18-35 and 50-100 are all APS-C so I don't see why they shouldn't work unless anyone can tell us any different? I'd love the 18-35 in my own collection.
90d for for video, 5d for photo, great review man! Hope you’re all well :)
Thanks Bro! Well done on the launch of your new film! 👏😀
100%!
Nice camera mate I will be very happy with anyone of these
They are man! One day you never know!
Also great videos, I rarely comment but I’m always watching!
So nice to hear this! Thanks for your support! 💪
For the vast majority of shooters, the 90D is a much better choice in 2021. The 5D iv has features most people don't need, but clearly the FF sensor is much better for low light, probably by 2 stops. That might be hugely important for some, but probably not for the vast majority of enthusiasts and even many pros. The newer technology and design of the 90D (e.g. Digic 8, flip out screen, slightly higher resolution, better burst shooting, much better video, and a price tag less than half that of the 5D iv), makes it a much better choice for most. Add to that the cost of EF-S lenses vs EF lenses, and it's a no brainer to me.
As for the comparison photos, the comparison you conducted is not valid. When using an EF lens on the 90D you are mis-matching equipment. The 90D is unable to take advantage of the big EF lens and as a result produces a weaker image. Test after test has shown that crop sensor cameras perform better with lenses designed for that sensor than they do with FF lenses. The Canon line of "pro" EF "L" vs. "consumer" EF-S lenses is a perfect case in point. Moreover, my own experience has consistently validated this for me; day after day my EF 24-70 f/4 "L" lens does not produce as good images as my EF-S 18-135 "consumer" lens on my little Rebel SL2. (I use the "L" lens on my old 5D ii.)
Therefore, comparing an APS-C camera with a FF camera -- using only a lens designed for the FF camera -- is not comparing apples with apples. You should shoot the 90D using a comparable EF-S lens. For example, you could use the EF 70-200 on the 5D and the EF-S 55-250 on the 90D and compare those images for different settings. The image using the EF-S 55-250 lens on the 90D will be better than the image it produces using the EF lens. This is generally true, even though technically the EF-S lenses are not as good as the EF "L" lenses. Unless you compare the two cameras optimized with their proper respective lenses, it's not very useful information. (By way of analogy, if I'm running a race, I would rather have cheap shoes my size than top of the line shoes that are 2 sizes too big.) You should compare the entire APS-C system to the entire FF system, not just the camera bodies.
Finally, weight. You say the 90D is "slightly lighter" than the 5D iv, but in fact it is a lot lighter. Using the 90D weight as a basis, the 5D iv is 27% heavier. Add to that the fact that FF lenses are bigger and heavier than their crop sensor counterparts, so with their respective optimized comparable focal-length lenses attached, the 5D is very much heavier! For instance, a 90D with the EF-S 55-250 lens attached weighs 1,076 grams. A 5D iv with the EF 70-200 L lens attached weighs a whopping 2,375 grams -- over twice as much. (And this is another reason why anyone with a crop sensor camera is foolish to be hauling around all that excess glass of a FF lens, only to get weaker images.)
Pros who shoot weddings and such are welcome to their clunky 5D iv cameras. The 5D iv is a workhorse of a camera that can take advantage of the great "L" line of lenses. But the rest of us would be much better off with the 90D.
This video is cleaner than most & deserves more attention
I have a canon 90d and a 17-55mm lens. The combination of these two together are amazing! I get super sharp images everytime.
Currently debating on going to the 5d just because of the full frame and better performance in low light. But don’t know if it’s really worth the money since I love my 90d.
I dont think its worth upgrading in that case cause they both are pretty close. Maby consider one of the mirrorless ones? like Canon R6?
But I think D5 IV is still a good call if you dont care about video that much.
You are killing me with the way you are holding that 90d...
5D4 everyday for stills. I don't shoot video so actually feel quite lucky that in a way, I have more options as I don't even have to consider the video aspects of a camera.
For photography the 5DIV is amazing- it’s funny that I originally bought it when it came out for video use , the additional add on 8bit Clog was marketed as an essential for any filmmaker - funny how quickly that became redundant- but for what it is essentially designed for, photography, it’s a Fantastic camera🤩 📷
@@KaiCreative I agree. It really is a stills camera that can also shoot video for just maybe the odd occasion.
In mirrorless, only the 70-200 lenses are lighter. All other weigh the same so no, weight is not an advantage all the time in Fullframe mirrorless.
Speaking of weight i have both the sigma 18-35 f1.8 and the canon 16-35 f4 is and i tend to take the canon if weight is important or shooting static things like landscapes. The sigma kicks ass and takes names in low light and people pictures.
would go for both. 90D as my B camera for sure. Great video and comparison. Cheers!
Actually the comparison review is very very clear and nice. Thank you very much...
I will be using the 90D. That's because the production house I am working with purchased it. So far from using it I am very impressed. (:
I'm proud of my 90d! Really great for shooting images and 4k video!😊👊
I originally own the 5D classic, which I loved very much, purchase on very the same time it launched, unfortunately it's throw the mirror, a few years back and Canon HK refuse to repair it, had to make do with a 1200D for family portraits. Many of the photos I have taken of my kids, with the 5D, years ago are far superior to the 1200D, I just miss the full frame, now before Canon drops the Mark IV, I have decided to go ahead and buy it today, arriving tomorrow, very excited. But it's locks me into a loan repayments, for the next 18 months, to Canon UK, I really hate getting loans, but really need a better camera to photograph the family. Lets hope it will last longer than the 5D classic!
The 5D classic mirror issue is something that I’ve heard from several people - such a shame - I believe Canon U.K. covered the repairs for a while and then stopped supporting that issue. The 5DMARKIV is a wonderful camera - you will capture some magnificent photos and memories with it 🙏👌
I've got the 90D and wish I had gone for the 5D. Mine has the notorious "soft focus" issue, and even in the comparison photos in the video, I could tell the 90D pics right away as they had a more washed-out look. Colour looked much richer in the 5D photos.
I thought I had that soft focus problem too, but then I bought the Sigma 18-35 lens and even my clients noted that the quality of my photos had improved exponentially. The point is that the problem may be more lens related than camera related.
90d is just basically a crop version of the 5D Mark IV
actually this video really helpful. i'm going for the 90d.
Lol i have both call them Batman and robin. My 90D does take amazing video, and download cinestyle since it doesn’t have a log profile. The images that come out of my 5d just look better
Haha - Brilliant! 😂
I was thinking about these cameras, I wasn’t too happy for the eos rp due to battery life.
Battery life on the mirrorless range is still a work in progress and these DSLRs still do the job!
The 90D is canon's most underrated camera
The EOS 6D Mk ii.
the 90D is now 2 years old. Do you recommend for me to hold until next update? I'm upgrading from T2i. Thank you for the great video!
I have a 90D and I'm very happy with it. for what I do it serves well. To get the best pics from the 90D you need to get new L Lenses because of the high resolution dens sensor. I would get the 5D IV if canon drops down the price to around $1500 then its worth getting in my opinion. If Im going to get a new camera for $2499 it would be the R6 with the EF adapter. Plain and simple.
If canon drops the 5dmIV to 1500?! When will that be? In 2036?😉😄
I have a 5D MK IV and love it. I also have a 7D which I hardly ever use. If money was no object I would look at a Sony Alpha 1. It holds quite an edge in image quality at 50 megapixels.
THE 5D HANDLES HIGHLIGHTS PERFECTY COMPARED TO THE 90D
I had upgraded from my 1200D to the 90D SINCE 2020 and have been enjoying creating content with it ... For the price range it was a good deal for me
Amazing 🤩
Thank you, Im the one going to purchase the 90D What allround lens would you recommend? Need Lightweight, quality and compact setup.
The 5d iv is all one would need. Full frame kills it.
I have the 90d , But am gonna go with the 5d , because of full frame , only shoot stills also, Tired of crop sensor, plus I sell my work, so full frame to me, makes sense,
Oh yeh - if you go full frame its difficult to go back to a crop frame 🖼🙏
@@KaiCreative Just started using the mark 4 , i noticed the difference in 5 minutes
I shoot with a Canon Rebel T6i and have been thinking of upgrading to the 90D. I mostly shoot macro (with the Tamron 90 mm f2.8), and occasionally birds and other wildlife, with the 55 - 250 STM. I'd consider a full-frame camera, but it would have to be 2nd hand, for cost reasons - a new 90D would already be stretching my budget. Which full-frame option should I consider, Kai? I´m not interested in switching brands, or to mirrorless, again for budget reasons.
Or should I stick to crop sensor?
This is a great question Peter, from the sounds of what you mainly shoot the 90D sounds like a great option 👌 you have that extra crop in your 55-250mm for bird/wildlife and your macro shots 👍 I use full frame because of the crystal clear quality that the sensor offers at higher ISOs but a lot is dependant on your lenses too - your 2.8 Tamron probably does a fantastic job 👌 to be honest the 90D covers a lot of what you are currently doing. However, if you wanted to expand on that to video or more professional shoots like weddings etc than going full frame would be my recommendation and the 5DmarkIV is an incredible first step into that world. Lots to think about Hopefully that helps a little 👌👌
@@KaiCreative Thank you for your feedback. The 55-250, which takes fantastic photos for its price, gives me good reach on a crop sensor, and the Tamron lens takes incredibly detailed shots. It's a cracking lens. I'd love to try on a FF sensor. Photography is strictly a hobby for me, so I´m not worried about making a living from it.
@@goldenfrog6EsCoSes Every crop sensor shooter goes through the agony that you are going through -- I did, too. You are thinking that the FF system would be much better and that you're missing out. After all, everybody raves about how much better FF is. You are thinking that if only you had the budget, you would have the FF system, too.
Well, I'll bet you would be disappointed if you suddenly had all that FF gear at your disposable. I know I was. The FF system is better in some ways, but for most people it doesn't make any difference. The crop sensors produce great images when paired with the right lenses. Many pros use only crop sensor cameras -- do a little research and you'll discover that fact.
Here's a suggestion: Rent some FF gear for a weekend and shoot what you usually shoot. Then compare those results to what you get now. I would be extremely surprised if you noticed any difference. Then the mystique of FF will have been dispelled, and you can go back to shooting good images at a much lower cost. And I agree that the 55-250 is a great lens.
The 90D would be a great step up from the T6i and still allow you to use all your current lenses. Don't be drawn in to the "pro" argument that accompanies all the talk about the 5D iv. The fact of the matter is that the 5D line has not kept up with technology, and Canon has been moving its emphasis to the RF mount for the future. If you still decide you want FF, then I recommend going mirrorless to the RF mount.
@@timothylatour4977 What a great reply! Thanks so much for the time and effort you put into it. I´ll certainly heed your advice.
I switched over to a full frame 5D IV from my old 7D. I take mostly bird photos with an old 600mm f4 as a source for my paintings, and I miss the "extended reach" with the crop sensor. Maybe I need both, one for macro (alas I have a macro for crop sensor) and get the 90D before my next trip abroad for birds. Faster shutter speed and reach might make it worth having both. I tried the 80D before getting the 5D, it seemed too light-weight and I worried about how robust the articulated screen would be...
Good review dude .. when referring to
Spec sheets , it’s always a little minefield . I found the proof in the finished piece . And a little editing
I'm thinking of changing gear to get into wedding photography only and small videos here and there, the 90d looks good to me, but I hear that full frame is much better.
and here I am more than confused
Help !!!
For the weddings please go with a full frame 👍 this is my advice to you sir 👍
You absolutely NEED the low light capabilities. (Iso, focus, etc) It's the single most important factor. By miles
Actually did a better job with the guessing game this time around!!
I have a 5D mark III and a 90D. I mostly use my 90D. Well at least until I got my Cannon R7. I agree the full size sensor is better in many ways. But I'm very happy with my crop sensor cameras. I'm actually going to be selling my 5D mark III because I don't even use it anymore.
How's the image of R7 compare to 90D? Is it so much better on R7 especially about the dynamic range?
@@AlungSion Yes the R7 has a newer sensor that is the same 32.5mp as the 90D. But the quality is better. But the R7 really shines with its 4kfine setting. It's a much higher quality than even the 90D
@@SchardtCinematic Is it still worth to buy 90D for now? because the price of it is so different. In my country i can get a secondhand 90D for 900 dollars but 1,700 something for the new R7.
Actually i'm interested with the 90D, R10 and the R7 for the APSC, and Sony a7II or above for the fullframe. But i doesnt love the small battery of R10 or the a7ii.
Btw, i'm using my old 1100D untill now ahahahaha that's why i've planned to upgrade it
@@AlungSion The 90D is still a very good camera. If you can't afford the R7 then definitely go for the 90D it is still well worth the money.
I use my R7 as my main camera and my 90D as my B roll camera.
@@SchardtCinematic Thanks for it man, I decided to buy the 90D because it was the one that suited my budget. Hopefully I can make good photos with it pair to my Sigma 17-50mm.
Ok so mark ii mark iii or 90d what do I get I want to take mostly cinematic videos
$1500 for the 90D and $3200 for the Mark IV, which has an older processor and less features than the 90D and not much better performance, the choice is pretty obvious! Not to mention that the 90D can use EF and EF-S lenses, where the Mark IV can't.
Very Helpful video!
As a more photography based consumer, should I opt with the 5dmkIV or 6dmkII?
Great question! I've used the 5DM4 much more than the 6DMarkii - So I can vouch for the 5DMarkIV as a beast of a camera - I used the original 6D extensively and it was my first full frame and loved it!
@@KaiCreative but my dilemma lies more in the price...in Canada, the 5dmkIV is about 1050 pounds more expensive. Is it really 1000 pounds worth more than the 6D? Is it more future proof than the 6D?
@@ragheborfali3432 it depends on on what your priorities are. For professional use the 5Dmkiv is better. Focus points more spread out, dual card slots, weather sealing, much better sensor. Go for the 6Dmkii if you are learning photography as it’s still a good camera (I use the original 6D till today).
I never use my cameras for video. I am looking to upgrade from my Canon 5D M111 and have been looking at the M1V. Now I am a bit swayed
I have the 90 D and its really a Great Camera and I Enjoy very much, Takes Great Pictures. I Think I'II Stay with the 90D..
The 5D without a thinking twice
Why buy these when Canon moved on to RF?
Good point if you have a huge budget. The APS-C is still a great choice for those with limited funds.
Will these two fit my old sigma lenses? 18-35 and 50-100? I have a canon 7d mark 2.
If they fit the canon 7D Mii double check they are ef mount 🙏☝️
5D for Pros, 90D for amateurs. What you haven't put in outro is that the lenses for 5D are way more costy than for 90D and for amateurs that is what really matters. Pro's are more likely to spend thousands on lenses as they can just categorize it as a cost of business, enthusiasts however won't throw as much money on it.
The lenses make a much bigger difference in image quality than the body. I can see a massive difference in image quality going from the kit lenses to the L series lenses on the same camera.
I binge watch 4k comparisons between those 2 cameras. I find that the 90D images are quite stressful to watch. 5D seems much much smoother.
Thank you so much Kai for the very informative comparison review. God bless you and good luck!
From the comments I see that most people shoot video. On photography it's not even close. Everyone's talking about ISO, but the dynamic range is not even close. 5Dmk4 is waaay better for photos....it's not made for videos.
Thank you, I don't use my cameras for videos, so this is good to know.
Hard to choose which to buy . Please just say which one is the best so it’s easier to make a good decision
What do you want to do and what is your budget?
90D preferable for video, Mark IV for photo
i need help for an upgrade from T6i. which is better 90D or RP? any suggestions from another camera ?
Great review 5dmark IV Is good but 90d Is a BEAST!
Yes Victor! I've been enjoying your social media food shots man! The only thing is... the make me very hungry! 😂😅😁
@@KaiCreative thank you 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🙏🏼🙏🏼🙏🏼
5D Mark IV easy, cause you get super sampled 1080p video which looks better than the Canon 90D's 1080p both at 60 fps and there is no comparison with the image quality as the 5D Mark IV is undoubtedly better in this regard.
But without the proper pairing of body to lenses, images from the 90D will never look as good as those from the 5D. His head-to-head image contest was flawed from the start.
The 90D has better colors.
Exactly..
those prices dont reflect the actual exchange rate so what causes the uk market to have to pay more? is it just tax or are we being swindled?
90D! 😎👍
Hi.
I got the 5ds and love it, but considering the 90D has got a lot going for but the 5D mk4 will be my next purchase.
thank you.
Honestly I was going to sell my 5Dmark 4 this summer … but I couldn’t part with it 🫶🫶🫶
@@KaiCreative don't you will regret it if you do afterwards
@@KaiCreative also 5D mk4 will be sharper
I'm not going to be rude and put links to my videos, but I have the 90D and the 4K video is C-R-I-S-P ! Plus with CINESTYLE installed that somewhat makes up for lack of C-LOG.
90D all the way
well explained !
Which camera have u used to filmed this video?
I like vlogging and I like the adjustable lcd screen of Canon 90 D so I like The Canon 90 D better
Do you know what is maximum iso good in 90d please
Now with amazing software like Topaz Denoise AI, which can remove noise and grain from low light images up to almost %100 without affecting image quality, you can use higher ISO with a crop sensor and still make it look clean as if it was shot from a full frame!
doed the 5d mk 4 take ef lenses like the 90d does ??
Yep 👍
Hi
I have a question in your opinion which one is better
Canon 90d
Canon 7d mark ii
Or Canon 5d mark iv
Great question - each is a great tool for different things and different budgets
@@KaiCreative What is your choice?
I'm tempted to replace my 7d mkii with a 90d
Thank for this review
You tell me which camera is better, I want to get a camera, but I haven't touched the camera yet. I have no knowledge about cameras.
Then you shouldn't buy 5D4 or 90D which are professional cameras, especially 5D4. You need a cheaper camera for the beginners. :)
@@ronijatkola I recommend the Canon M50. A lot of camera for the money.
@ronijatkola I disagree with that, I would say get the 90D and learn on it, I mean it does have an auto function to start out with.
just me over here rocking the 5D Mark III? or is there anyone else out there too lol🤣
Canon 90 has digital is?
Yes
@@kenduejones Just bought it few weeks ago! Suitable for photo and videos!
I got 2 canon 80D cameras and I will upgrade to a 90D soon
Niicceee 🤩
which laptop is best for 4k and 8k video editing?
This is a great question - I’m not sure - I have my own custom PC - but if you find something good do drop me a Link 👍
A small correction 5d iv is 1000$ more expensive
90d I prefer
Just getting into photography and I have no experience which is a better camera for sport filming and photography. please help I'm stuck and on a budget lol.
I think if you are starting your photography career you have to buy a lot cheaper camera as those cameras in this video are professional cameras. And especially if you have problems with budget you maybe need also lens and not only camera?
Don't buy either of these cameras. Get something like a Canon Rebel APS-C or maybe the newer M50.
@4:38 who is this model?
Emily from @itsapetitelife
@@KaiCreative Thanks dear, actually that picture is very powerful, she looks so strong and beautiful, and I love your work
i prefer the photos from 90d
5D MK4