Thank you for this. I spent 8 hours yesterday in training and most was spent on the verge of tears because the instructor kept assuming everyone in the class already knew all of this. His explanation was "well, I told you the regulation for it." As a law student, I tend to understand things pretty quickly but I could not get it based on his instruction. Your video was simple, concise, and best of all, did not make me feel stupid. I emailed myself the link so I can review it later. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!
I have a scenario. Say 5 hours drive from 8AM-1PM, off duty from 1PM-2PM, then 4 hours drive from 2PM-6PM. Does the off duty from 1PM-2PM counted as break, even though it's not 8 hours from duty started? Or the break has to be taken at 4PM, making it 8AM-1PM,1PM-2PM,2PM-4PM,4PM-4:30PM? Sorry if it's confusing
⚠️WARNING: Motive software is not compliant with HOS law and falsely violates drivers that take qualifying rest periods and not recognizing the pausing of their HOS clocks
Very helpful, thanks for the lesson. One question, what about Pre and Post trips? Where do you flag your inspections? Once again thanks, I had to use the split sleeper the first time in nine years.......Mike V.
Thanks for your comment Mike. As you know the SBP is rarely used, but it will be highly used once ELD's come in. As for your question about Pre/Post Inspections. Law states that you need to inspect your vehicle right after finishing your first rest of every day. Check with your Safety Dept. to know every when the insurance requires an inspection.
I missed the PTI on your log examples but re-watched and saw them. I pre and post probably more often then I should........never failed an inspection. I can see how it will get used more with the ELD. I dread the day the E-log gets installed in my truck, might need to start looking for something else to do.
Mike Vining my understanding was take 10 hours off ( 8 qualified sleeper ) before able to drive again . This is considered a reset and allows you to work 14 drive 11 with :30 dot break or b4 8 hours
If you rest a minimum of 8hrs in the sleeper followed by a min. 2hrs, you again have 14 & 11 hrs. available starting from where you came back to On Duty after having rested the 8hrs.
You guy forgetting about one thing whit those rules we not robots to change schedules every time i cant sleep day time i don’t like to weak up at 2:30am or 5:00am and if i have to stop i better stay 10 h and use all my 14 h simple and healthy , whit that schedule you cant go to far. Any ways thank you
Had this situation last week. Unloaded my load and was waiting for load for 5 hours. was told by dispatch to start moving for the next load for 500+ miles. so I started moving, made 5.25 hrs of drive and went to sleeper birth for 8.25 hrs. split rule gives me to drive 5.25 and after I have to wait 2 hrs before start moving again. But my safety dpt says that I cannot drive again. can send a pic. can you say what is wrong ?
Ruslan Kirilchuk If you have had 5.25 driving before 8.25 sleep break, you can drive whatever hours you have left to total of 11 and then take a 2 hours Bert . In your situation depends on what did you have prior to the 5 hours waiting time and how did you put them on the log, maybe they have 14 hours rule concerns
1. At 21.37; driver took only 1.30 hrs ; but what if now he takes two hours SB from 1 PM to 3 PM ; then will this be still valid SB provision? or SB 8,2 has to be in pairs i.e. no other off duty or sb time in between these? 2. If driver takes 8 SB then drives for some time and again takes 8 sb rather 2 hours sb; will that again extend the shift ? i.e. 8 , 8 SB . What happens in that scenario? 3. 10 Hours Off duty 2 hours driving 8 hours SB 6 hours driving 6 hours sb Will the complete 6 hours of last sb be counted towards shift?
Not bad and that's coming from a log manger who critiques anyone explaining it. I will say, make sure the drivers know what starts the next shift. Example, coming off a 2-hour break OR more, if they are driving or on-duty, that starts the next 14-hour shift. If they are coming off the 8-hr sleeper break, go to the end of the 2-hour or longer break, and look for what time they started any status OTHER than sleeper status, that's when the 14-hour clock starts.
Again this was about the TIMING of an 8 and 2 split not what order work was done, has nothing to do with pre or post inspection, thats another video in it self.
Thank you for this. I spent 8 hours yesterday in training and most was spent on the verge of tears because the instructor kept assuming everyone in the class already knew all of this. His explanation was "well, I told you the regulation for it." As a law student, I tend to understand things pretty quickly but I could not get it based on his instruction. Your video was simple, concise, and best of all, did not make me feel stupid. I emailed myself the link so I can review it later. THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!
Great Video Answered Alot Of My Questions
Great explanation of the split sleeper provision!
Finally someone explains this very well! Thanks!
Good stuff. I'm still confused about all of this as a new driver but it slowly starting to make sense. Thank you.
Excellent video! Appreciate the clear step by step guide. I'm sharing this video with our drivers. Thank you
Thanks you are very clear at explaining 👍
The best video!!! Thank you so much!!!
Please disregard this video, the split sleeper has changed since the rules changed. This video was made prior to
Good video when I do the 8 - 2 sleeper hrs split I got a citation cuz I didn't anderstan how that works so I never did that again lol
Very well done sir, i thank you sir
Can driver do sleeping berth on paper log?
I have a scenario. Say 5 hours drive from 8AM-1PM, off duty from 1PM-2PM, then 4 hours drive from 2PM-6PM. Does the off duty from 1PM-2PM counted as break, even though it's not 8 hours from duty started? Or the break has to be taken at 4PM, making it 8AM-1PM,1PM-2PM,2PM-4PM,4PM-4:30PM? Sorry if it's confusing
⚠️WARNING: Motive software is not compliant with HOS law and falsely violates drivers that take qualifying rest periods and not recognizing the pausing of their HOS clocks
Very helpful, thanks for the lesson. One question, what about Pre and Post trips? Where do you flag your inspections? Once again thanks, I had to use the split sleeper the first time in nine years.......Mike V.
Thanks for your comment Mike. As you know the SBP is rarely used, but it will be highly used once ELD's come in. As for your question about Pre/Post Inspections. Law states that you need to inspect your vehicle right after finishing your first rest of every day. Check with your Safety Dept. to know every when the insurance requires an inspection.
I missed the PTI on your log examples but re-watched and saw them. I pre and post probably more often then I should........never failed an inspection. I can see how it will get used more with the ELD. I dread the day the E-log gets installed in my truck, might need to start looking for something else to do.
Mike Vining my understanding was take 10 hours off ( 8 qualified sleeper ) before able to drive again . This is considered a reset and allows you to work 14 drive 11 with :30 dot break or b4 8 hours
Dialvan Inc .. its not up to insurance, its a FMCSA regulation to pre and post trip after 8 hr or longer breaks..
After ur 8/2 u have 14 hr. To work again??? Thanks....
If you rest a minimum of 8hrs in the sleeper followed by a min. 2hrs, you again have 14 & 11 hrs. available starting from where you came back to On Duty after having rested the 8hrs.
You guy forgetting about one thing whit those rules we not robots to change schedules every time i cant sleep day time i don’t like to weak up at 2:30am or 5:00am and if i have to stop i better stay 10 h and use all my 14 h simple and healthy , whit that schedule you cant go to far. Any ways thank you
Had this situation last week. Unloaded my load and was waiting for load for 5 hours. was told by dispatch to start moving for the next load for 500+ miles. so I started moving, made 5.25 hrs of drive and went to sleeper birth for 8.25 hrs. split rule gives me to drive 5.25 and after I have to wait 2 hrs before start moving again. But my safety dpt says that I cannot drive again. can send a pic. can you say what is wrong ?
Ruslan Kirilchuk
If you have had 5.25 driving before 8.25 sleep break, you can drive whatever hours you have left to total of 11 and then take a 2 hours Bert . In your situation depends on what did you have prior to the 5 hours waiting time and how did you put them on the log, maybe they have 14 hours rule concerns
U got mistake on the end . Driver can drive 9 hours back to Laredo because he need take 30 min brake after 8 hours drive
he said driver has 9 hours to get to Laredo
But still a noteworthy point
Before 8 hour drive
Less than 8 hours in the sleeper birth does not count as work. I don't even have to go in sleeper birth and I can reset hours by just being off duty.
Sounds like shape shifting logic....14 hour clock starts here... But wait...We'll move it to here now??
1. At 21.37; driver took only 1.30 hrs ; but what if now he takes two hours SB from 1 PM to 3 PM ; then will this be still valid SB provision? or SB 8,2 has to be in pairs i.e. no other off duty or sb time in between these?
2. If driver takes 8 SB then drives for some time and again takes 8 sb rather 2 hours sb; will that again extend the shift ? i.e. 8 , 8 SB . What happens in that scenario?
3. 10 Hours Off duty
2 hours driving
8 hours SB
6 hours driving
6 hours sb
Will the complete 6 hours of last sb be counted towards shift?
Have you gotton answers?? I am looking for the solution of second query. What if two 8 hours sb comes together?
@@palaksdarji Both of those will be excluded from the shift. ( i.e. will extend shift )
Yeah, and new calculation point is set on the end of first 8 hours break??
Imagine you have to drive a semi truck and be able to try and figure out hours daddy told us we are allowed to drive 🤦🏽♂️.
Not bad and that's coming from a log manger who critiques anyone explaining it. I will say, make sure the drivers know what starts the next shift. Example, coming off a 2-hour break OR more, if they are driving or on-duty, that starts the next 14-hour shift. If they are coming off the 8-hr sleeper break, go to the end of the 2-hour or longer break, and look for what time they started any status OTHER than sleeper status, that's when the 14-hour clock starts.
Dawn Armstrong I would have like to see more demos of the 2 hour sleep/off duty before the 8 hour sleeper birth
Crazy, just wait the extra 2 hrs and get your 14 back. Why bother.
I don't see the mandatory FMCSA 15 minute pre trip after any 8 hour break or 5 min post trip
ALEXxpress this was about split sleeper berth provisional not what order work had to be preformed.
AKULA689 ..you still need to do a pretrip after any 8hr off duty though, and post trip before the break.
Again this was about the TIMING of an 8 and 2 split not what order work was done, has nothing to do with pre or post inspection, thats another video in it self.
Cant spell "everything" I aint trusting this video!!
You spelled the word "big" wrong there bud.