Educational video for drivers that are not keen to their HOS. 1 thing you forgot to mention throughout the entire video. The MANDATORY 30 MINUTE BREAK required each day before you reach the 8 hour mark from the start of your day. Now with E-logs if you happen to get caught in traffic, you may be able to work around that.
my instructor taught me to not even do even on duty time after 70 hours. maybe they changed the rules. was taught that once you hit 70 hours in any 8 day you have to take that 34 hour reset regardless.... and any on duty time( like helping another guy with his truck) would reset your reset and cause you to take another consecutive 34 hour reset. just do a 8.5 hour work day like the rest of the full time population and you will never run afoul of the 70hr/8day rule. many companies now pay you if a dock doesnt get you in and out in a timely manner or for other delays. dont sweat it. running balls out the first couple of days and then taking it easy the last day or two of a run.. can IMHO get you in trouble as your soon locked into that driving pattern by your rolling 8 day resets
The regulation has always stated that the 60/70 hour rule is related to driving time. This is not new. According to 395.3 (b)(1)(2), "(b) No motor carrier shall permit or require a driver of a property-carrying commercial motor vehicle TO DRIVE, nor shall any driver drive a property-carrying commercial motor vehicle, regardless of the number of motor carriers using the driver's services, for any period after-(2) Having been on duty 70 hours in any period of 8 consecutive days if the employing motor carrier operates commercial motor vehicles every day of the week." One could still work after reaching the 70 hour limit, but they would not be permitted TO DRIVE until they took the appropriate amount of off-duty time. However, you are correct. If one is going to take a 34-hour restart, they must spend that time off-duty. In other words, they cannot perform any safety sensitive functions. Thank you for your comment!
@@OOIDABusinessEducation "One could still work after reaching the 70 hour limit, but they would not be permitted TO DRIVE until they took the appropriate amount of off-duty time. " it was probably this part that my instructor was emphasizing. cuz driving is the goal and the reason we make money.
Trucking and having to soak 10 hours causes all the parking spots to be absorbed early hence you don't stop same time every day you will be left out to dry. Split logging was the best way to drive it allowed me to get on the good side of a city and put the kickstand down. These new rules ruined my job I can't do things this way.
I believe there is an error in the last portion of the video. Just after the 75 hour violation the driver gets back 10 hrs., he now has 65 hrs and only has 5 hrs to drive before his 70 hrs are up. Driver started at 10am , so his 5 hrs of driving would end at 3pm or 1500 hrs not at 1600 hrs or 4pm. With that being said this driver is still in violation of the 70 hr rule. Just my observation of the 70 hr rule. Counting grid marks is tricky even to the best. Plays havoch on the eyes :) But overall point of video is good. Been driving for over 10 years and always checking on updated laws of hrs of service. Have a blessed and wonderful day whever your at in the world.
I thought the same thing at first but looked a bit longer to realize that from 2pm - 3pm was Off Duty therefore that would not count towards the 70 hour count. The driver was at 69 hours at 2pm and 3pm and was able to get 1 more hour of driving from 3pm to 4pm before he had to stop driving.
You do know you can go to OSHA if you are being forced to do any illegal operations. Once you go to OSHA you cannot be fired due to the whistle blower law. If a company retaliates against you, they can get heavy fines.
There is no better system than the European tachograph machine drive 4.5 hours 45 mins off then 4.5 hours.= 9 hours this can be extended by 1 hour twice a week you can be on duty 6 days. 90 hours every three weeks
90 hour every two weeks.one week maximum drive time is 56 hour.....4x9 and 2x10hour...first week drive 56 hour,second week just 34 hour..at thurstday noon end the work week....following drive beginning is monday according utc time
Only problem is its not 70 hours driving in 8 days its a total if on duty and driving!!!! Only way to get caps is to only be on duty + driving for 9.25 a day!!!
Why did the period end at 1pm. He started Monday at 6am wouldn't it end at 6am not 1pm? where did 1pm come in?even as a floating period of 8 24hr days. Very confusing. where dies the 1pm become the period ending time?
on any given day, it doesnt matter what time a driver starts working, this changes every day. They go ON DUTY (clock in) and a 14 hour clock starts counting. it doesnt stop. Within that 14 hours a driver can only drive for 11 hours. They can go off duty (clock out) and take breaks or go on duty NOT DRIVING (getting fuel, getting loaded/unloaded). What ever comes first 11 hours of driving or that 14 hr clock reaches 0 the driver must stop the truck. They can continue to work ( stay clocked in) just cant drive. This means some days a driver may only be clocked in for 5 or 6 hours. Other days it may be 12 or 13 hours. Every day is different. ... now we get into the 70 hours/ 8 day. at the end of the day (you do this every day) you add up all hours worked. Lines 3 and 4. Today plus the last 7 days (8 day total). this number should be less than 70. assuming it is. 70 hours - 8 day total equals the maximum number of hours you can drive tomorrow. Lets awwume you have been off work for a couple weeks. Today is your first day driving. You drive 8 hours and are on duty 2 hours. this is a total of 10 hours works. Minus the 70 this leaves you 60 hours available. Obviously you can only drive 11 total tomorrow but you have the time to do it. on the other hand les say you have worked every day for the last 19 days. add up today plus the last 7 ( 8 days total). Lets assume this number equals 65. This means that tomorrow when you come on duty (this can be any time tomorrow) once you clock in you must pull the truck over within 5 hours. So if you Go on duty, take an hour to load, pretrip, get gas then you can only drive 4 hours before before you have been on the clock for 70 hours in the last 8 days.. you can stop driving and work another 50 hours if you want. Work as many hours as you like as long as you are not driving. But when you are driving, as soon as that clock hits 70 on duty hours for the past 8 days that rig must stop.. The number of hours worked changes every day. Start and finish times change every day. Your question is where did the 1pm com into play... the driver had x number of hours available to drive until he hit that 70 hour mark. The driver started at a certain time. X hours put him at 1pm. If the driver started earlier in the day that time would have been earlier in the day. Had the driver started later it would have been later in the day. Are you completely confused yet.
Straight to hell with the FMCSA!!! These stupid ass rules is why we cant get drivers. Noone with any sense would take on a job that could land them in jail and fined out the ass for trying to make an honest living. Let us talk about the real problem with driver safety. 4 wheelers lacking knowledge of the operation of big trucks. This is the WHOLE problem. Pete Buttgizz,open your eyes to this!
Texas HOS are much better. 12 hour driving ( no 30 minutes break ), 3 on duty ,15 hour day extendable to 16 if you where released from duty and driving back to the yard. 70/8 no recaps, 34 hours off duty your clock will be at 0 hours.
You are not correct these Hours-of-service rules are Federal rules that means all 50 states. States cannot set rules that would let you go beyond the federal rules. States could make new rules that are not federal laws yet, but states can't allow you to ignore federal laws. I don't believe you.
Your driver was not doing his post trip vehicle inspection must be in writing drivers must log this time. 396.11 Very good other than inspections. Thank you.
Wasn't the 1pm figure when the driver first ended his first driving time on Monday. Why does the period end then when the driver ends the first 7 hours of driving? I guess I am asking when does the day begin? why not at 6am?
If you are on duty, not driving, you get paid. When you are on duty but not driving, you are still doing work for your company, Pre trip Inspections, in route inspections, post trip inspections, unloading, loading, checking your load, more. You are working for the company during that time, and they have to pay you, or it is wage theft.
What's stopped a team driver from going to the sleeper, thus going off-duty, rather than sitting in the passenger seat and accumulating on-duty (non-driving) time?
Sorry, Sleeper berth or off duty time of less than 8 hours counts against your 14 on duty hours. 395.1(g)(D) states: "Must exclude from the calculation of the 14-hour period in §395.3(a)(2) any sleeper-berth period of at least 8 but less than 10 consecutive hours." The FMCSA uses this rule to dictate that any sleeper berth period of less than 8 hours counts against your 14 on duty hours. Your 1/2 hour break following 8 consecutive hours off duty also counts against your 14 on duty hours. So there is no way to accumulate the "equivalent of 10 consecutive off duty hours in two separate sleeper berth periods." Even though 395.2 specifically states that "On-duty time shall include:...4) All time in or on a commercial motor vehicle, other than:(ii) Time spent resting in a sleeper berth;…" I've argued this point with the FMSCA until they refuse to take my calls anymore. I sure am glad that George Bush and the Republicans were going to get government off of our backs!!!
a logbook is a record of your life driving a 18 wheeler from ...to...this that on duty off duty jesus.h christ y dont we just keep a gopro camra attached to your head in a like a head light flashlite
That why lot of drivers are quiting ...they r over controlling the driver...I am engineering student I was able to trick that qualcomm many times ....now I think ...thanks God I am done ...lets Obama with his hours of service rules come and drive the truck ...
70hours in 8 days. Do i have to do 34 h restart after 8th day even if i did not spend 70 hours? For example, in 8 days i did 50 hours. After 8th day i have to do 34 h restart anyway even though i did only 50 h.
Stupid rolling week thing. You drivers could work 8.57 hours (driving time + on duty time) every day for the rest of time and never go over the 60-hour rolling limit. You would have more time off per day and less people would die.
Ok, is there a dynamic behind these rules yes compliance is cool and all but it's restrictive. Who is held responsible for the failure of a company or an owner operator. In essence your giving limited air. Is there something in return for following these rules. And why not do this to every other occupation. How does this help health if anything it just adds stress to the driver. Self driving semis in 10 years time if not drones. Basically bullshit rules that take care of ya also fuck ya. Why not limit how much a person can eat or what they eat you know for your health.😉 No they want your money and basically have to say it in a nice way.
Most other occupations have 40-hour work weeks with 64 hours off time on the weekend. For example, most people work 8 hours per day 5 days a week. To make this easy I will not include lunch which makes your workday 0.5 to 1 hour longer. So, M 8hrs, T 8hrs, W 8hrs, T 8hrs, and Friday you work 8hrs from 8AM to 4PM from 4PM to Midnight is 8hrs off time, plus 48 hours off time Sa, Su, and 8hrs off time Monday from Midnight to 8 AM, That is 64 hours off time from the end of shift Friday to the beginning of shift on Monday. Most people who work a 40-hour work week are happy to get the 64 hours of off time to recover. You guys want to non-stop drive, which means more people will die behind the wheel, and those that get run over by those wheels will die as well.
thanks but if you see my video's you will see even with electronics logs the company changes things lol . Thanks gave you a thumbs up please return the favor
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Thanks for posting this, it is very informative, and helps out alot regarding HOS. Great job OOIDA.
Educational video for drivers that are not keen to their HOS. 1 thing you forgot to mention throughout the entire video. The MANDATORY 30 MINUTE BREAK required each day before you reach the 8 hour mark from the start of your day. Now with E-logs if you happen to get caught in traffic, you may be able to work around that.
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wannabeangler this video it's from 2013 the 30 minute rule didn't apply back then
😎❤️❤️ that video was very very helpful thank you
Explained very well!!
Thank you so much!! I was very confused until I watched this video.
Thanks you thank you for the rules for driving truck I did not know that now I know you do know 70hours of driving you are done driving thank you
By far the best explanation.
This is such a clear explanation! Thanks.
Nice job you do
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my instructor taught me to not even do even on duty time after 70 hours. maybe they changed the rules. was taught that once you hit 70 hours in any 8 day you have to take that 34 hour reset regardless.... and any on duty time( like helping another guy with his truck) would reset your reset and cause you to take another consecutive 34 hour reset. just do a 8.5 hour work day like the rest of the full time population and you will never run afoul of the 70hr/8day rule. many companies now pay you if a dock doesnt get you in and out in a timely manner or for other delays. dont sweat it.
running balls out the first couple of days and then taking it easy the last day or two of a run.. can IMHO get you in trouble as your soon locked into that driving pattern by your rolling 8 day resets
The regulation has always stated that the 60/70 hour rule is related to driving time. This is not new. According to 395.3 (b)(1)(2), "(b) No motor carrier shall permit or require a driver of a property-carrying commercial motor vehicle TO DRIVE, nor shall any driver drive a property-carrying commercial motor vehicle, regardless of the number of motor carriers using the driver's services, for any period after-(2) Having been on duty 70 hours in any period of 8 consecutive days if the employing motor carrier operates commercial motor vehicles every day of the week." One could still work after reaching the 70 hour limit, but they would not be permitted TO DRIVE until they took the appropriate amount of off-duty time.
However, you are correct. If one is going to take a 34-hour restart, they must spend that time off-duty. In other words, they cannot perform any safety sensitive functions. Thank you for your comment!
@@OOIDABusinessEducation "One could still work after reaching the 70 hour limit, but they would not be permitted TO DRIVE until they took the appropriate amount of off-duty time. " it was probably this part that my instructor was emphasizing. cuz driving is the goal and the reason we make money.
Excellent and very informative video!! Thank you.
Thank you! Very informative.
Thats one of the best video's i've seen....
Trucking and having to soak 10 hours causes all the parking spots to be absorbed early hence you don't stop same time every day you will be left out to dry. Split logging was the best way to drive it allowed me to get on the good side of a city and put the kickstand down. These new rules ruined my job I can't do things this way.
Explained very well, thank you.
Sawblade2009 great job only wish I were driving now
I believe there is an error in the last portion of the video. Just after the 75 hour violation the driver gets back 10 hrs., he now has 65 hrs and only has 5 hrs to drive before his 70 hrs are up. Driver started at 10am , so his 5 hrs of driving would end at 3pm or 1500 hrs not at 1600 hrs or 4pm. With that being said this driver is still in violation of the 70 hr rule. Just my observation of the 70 hr rule. Counting grid marks is tricky even to the best. Plays havoch on the eyes :) But overall point of video is good. Been driving for over 10 years and always checking on updated laws of hrs of service. Have a blessed and wonderful day whever your at in the world.
I thought the same thing at first but looked a bit longer to realize that from 2pm - 3pm was Off Duty therefore that would not count towards the 70 hour count. The driver was at 69 hours at 2pm and 3pm and was able to get 1 more hour of driving from 3pm to 4pm before he had to stop driving.
I just left a company who was trying to get me to fake my logs. Wanted 15 to 17 hr drive days and only 5 to y hrs down time every day.
You do know you can go to OSHA if you are being forced to do any illegal operations. Once you go to OSHA you cannot be fired due to the whistle blower law. If a company retaliates against you, they can get heavy fines.
Do you have an accurate video that includes the 34 hour reset?
I know I'd be happy with 48 hours at home instead of 34 for a reset
There is no better system than the European tachograph machine drive 4.5 hours 45 mins off then 4.5 hours.= 9 hours this can be extended by 1 hour twice a week you can be on duty 6 days. 90 hours every three weeks
90 hour every two weeks.one week maximum drive time is 56 hour.....4x9 and 2x10hour...first week drive 56 hour,second week just 34 hour..at thurstday noon end the work week....following drive beginning is monday according utc time
Nice things to learn
I want to be a truck driver but i got a lot to learn
great! fresh student I mean new._ trucking companies love New starters 😂
Only problem is its not 70 hours driving in 8 days its a total if on duty and driving!!!! Only way to get caps is to only be on duty + driving for 9.25 a day!!!
How do you go about figuring this out if you are a local hauler within the 150 miles and aren’t required to keep a log book??
Why did the period end at 1pm. He started Monday at 6am wouldn't it end at 6am not 1pm? where did 1pm come in?even as a floating period of 8 24hr days. Very confusing. where dies the 1pm become the period ending time?
on any given day, it doesnt matter what time a driver starts working, this changes every day. They go ON DUTY (clock in) and a 14 hour clock starts counting. it doesnt stop. Within that 14 hours a driver can only drive for 11 hours. They can go off duty (clock out) and take breaks or go on duty NOT DRIVING (getting fuel, getting loaded/unloaded). What ever comes first 11 hours of driving or that 14 hr clock reaches 0 the driver must stop the truck. They can continue to work ( stay clocked in) just cant drive. This means some days a driver may only be clocked in for 5 or 6 hours. Other days it may be 12 or 13 hours. Every day is different. ... now we get into the 70 hours/ 8 day. at the end of the day (you do this every day) you add up all hours worked. Lines 3 and 4. Today plus the last 7 days (8 day total). this number should be less than 70. assuming it is. 70 hours - 8 day total equals the maximum number of hours you can drive tomorrow. Lets awwume you have been off work for a couple weeks. Today is your first day driving. You drive 8 hours and are on duty 2 hours. this is a total of 10 hours works. Minus the 70 this leaves you 60 hours available. Obviously you can only drive 11 total tomorrow but you have the time to do it. on the other hand les say you have worked every day for the last 19 days. add up today plus the last 7 ( 8 days total). Lets assume this number equals 65. This means that tomorrow when you come on duty (this can be any time tomorrow) once you clock in you must pull the truck over within 5 hours. So if you Go on duty, take an hour to load, pretrip, get gas then you can only drive 4 hours before before you have been on the clock for 70 hours in the last 8 days.. you can stop driving and work another 50 hours if you want. Work as many hours as you like as long as you are not driving. But when you are driving, as soon as that clock hits 70 on duty hours for the past 8 days that rig must stop.. The number of hours worked changes every day. Start and finish times change every day. Your question is where did the 1pm com into play... the driver had x number of hours available to drive until he hit that 70 hour mark. The driver started at a certain time. X hours put him at 1pm. If the driver started earlier in the day that time would have been earlier in the day. Had the driver started later it would have been later in the day. Are you completely confused yet.
Straight to hell with the FMCSA!!! These stupid ass rules is why we cant get drivers. Noone with any sense would take on a job that could land them in jail and fined out the ass for trying to make an honest living. Let us talk about the real problem with driver safety. 4 wheelers lacking knowledge of the operation of big trucks. This is the WHOLE problem. Pete Buttgizz,open your eyes to this!
Great Education...!
Texas HOS are much better. 12 hour driving ( no 30 minutes break ), 3 on duty ,15 hour day extendable to 16 if you where released from duty and driving back to the yard. 70/8 no recaps, 34 hours off duty your clock will be at 0 hours.
You are not correct these Hours-of-service rules are Federal rules that means all 50 states. States cannot set rules that would let you go beyond the federal rules. States could make new rules that are not federal laws yet, but states can't allow you to ignore federal laws. I don't believe you.
@anonnomus6070 just look it up if you don't believe it you will be surprised...
Your driver was not doing his post trip vehicle inspection must be in writing drivers must log this time. 396.11 Very good other than inspections. Thank you.
Wasn't the 1pm figure when the driver first ended his first driving time on Monday. Why does the period end then when the driver ends the first 7 hours of driving? I guess I am asking when does the day begin? why not at 6am?
So if I don't get pay for my hours of service is that consider modern day slavery? 🤔
Well, actually yes but legally no.
If you are on duty, not driving, you get paid. When you are on duty but not driving, you are still doing work for your company, Pre trip Inspections, in route inspections, post trip inspections, unloading, loading, checking your load, more. You are working for the company during that time, and they have to pay you, or it is wage theft.
What's stopped a team driver from going to the sleeper, thus going off-duty, rather than sitting in the passenger seat and accumulating on-duty (non-driving) time?
i like the hours that driver make in the video .. just i wan to know is he make good money to living ...
😂😂😂 Why does he say unfortunately? I bet everyone would say fortunately once they had to do eld
Good video, from a DOT Officer.
Could this get any more complicated?
Very good ,, BUT, owner operator will be out of business & road will be more dangerous , if we get fairly paid, who wants to work more !!
Sorry, Sleeper berth or off duty time of less than 8 hours counts against your 14 on duty hours. 395.1(g)(D) states:
"Must exclude from the calculation of the 14-hour period in §395.3(a)(2) any sleeper-berth period of at least 8 but less than 10 consecutive hours."
The FMCSA uses this rule to dictate that any sleeper berth period of less than 8 hours counts against your 14 on duty hours. Your 1/2 hour break following 8 consecutive hours off duty also counts against your 14 on duty hours.
So there is no way to accumulate the "equivalent of 10 consecutive off duty hours in two separate sleeper berth periods." Even though 395.2 specifically states that "On-duty time shall include:...4) All time in or on a commercial motor vehicle, other than:(ii) Time spent resting in a sleeper berth;…"
I've argued this point with the FMSCA until they refuse to take my calls anymore. I sure am glad that George Bush and the Republicans were going to get government off of our backs!!!
a logbook is a record of your life driving a 18 wheeler from ...to...this that on duty off duty jesus.h christ y dont we just keep a gopro camra attached to your head in a like a head light flashlite
Thanks 5ae7 f8xe et65
That why lot of drivers are quiting ...they r over controlling the driver...I am engineering student I was able to trick that qualcomm many times ....now I think ...thanks God I am done ...lets Obama with his hours of service rules come and drive the truck ...
70hours in 8 days. Do i have to do 34 h restart after 8th day even if i did not spend 70 hours? For example, in 8 days i did 50 hours. After 8th day i have to do 34 h restart anyway even though i did only 50 h.
No you do not. Only if you are close to get 0 hours left on 8 days
+Mo Tel ty for confirming
Hey Sir Is It Possible To Use Your Video On My Website To Help Other Drivers Thank You
Too much Bullshit,.. Wait until E-Logs are here to stay. yeah I'm glad I'm done driving too..
Ya, you should see the bull a train operator goes thru, could be an hour or two of filing out logs, sheets, reports !
In CA it is 70/80 hour rule , not pansy, gay. 60/70
Anyone out there have an excel spreadsheet that would calculate the HOS with a formula advising when the driver is over the limit ?
Android google play app called Recap+
Stupid rolling week thing. You drivers could work 8.57 hours (driving time + on duty time) every day for the rest of time and never go over the 60-hour rolling limit. You would have more time off per day and less people would die.
14 hr clock runs out im wide awake i cant drive your ruining my paycheck and my life fuck the 14 hr get rid of it
hard to understand
Ok, is there a dynamic behind these rules yes compliance is cool and all but it's restrictive. Who is held responsible for the failure of a company or an owner operator. In essence your giving limited air. Is there something in return for following these rules. And why not do this to every other occupation. How does this help health if anything it just adds stress to the driver. Self driving semis in 10 years time if not drones. Basically bullshit rules that take care of ya also fuck ya. Why not limit how much a person can eat or what they eat you know for your health.😉 No they want your money and basically have to say it in a nice way.
Most other occupations have 40-hour work weeks with 64 hours off time on the weekend.
For example, most people work 8 hours per day 5 days a week. To make this easy I will not include lunch which makes your workday 0.5 to 1 hour longer. So, M 8hrs, T 8hrs, W 8hrs, T 8hrs, and Friday you work 8hrs from 8AM to 4PM from 4PM to Midnight is 8hrs off time, plus 48 hours off time Sa, Su, and 8hrs off time Monday from Midnight to 8 AM, That is 64 hours off time from the end of shift Friday to the beginning of shift on Monday. Most people who work a 40-hour work week are happy to get the 64 hours of off time to recover.
You guys want to non-stop drive, which means more people will die behind the wheel, and those that get run over by those wheels will die as well.
thanks but if you see my video's you will see even with electronics logs the company changes things lol . Thanks gave you a thumbs up please return the favor
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driver need Rand McNally GPS
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