Coming from a traditional Japanese martial art this makes more sense mechanically than the Vasiliev-Ryabko explanation. Not to knock Vasiliev-Ryabko. I like that too. But I am more practiced at thinking efficiency of mechanics and this video really helps tie those pieces together for someone coming from that background. I love these bite sized videos that easily provide aspects to work into my training. Thank you!
Plz do a video on Wolfpack fighting meaning more than one opponent/assailant....and from what I've seen it's not aesthetically pleasing to the eyes like in action videos...but I'd like to see more videos of your approach to this uneven confrontation....btw I love your dedication and evolution within this craft....No limits!
This is my new favorite video. Throw a rock in the lake. It ripples in the water. A lot of imagination and creativity in my shadow boxing at home. Solo. Coming from this info. Thank you
Kevin not only are your videos the best but your combat systema is the most comprehensive and practical fighting/ self preservation curriculum in existence. I look forward to someday training with you.
Maan I was doing this very simular (not as tight tho) on my own, noone tought me it, (self tought), but now I am glad to get those details on how to improve it. Btw I am a Slav too :) a Serb.
really nice breakdown and origins of development, puts it in technical context.btw a corkscrew delivery as used by James Figg & his protégés has more than a passing resemblance to this type of delivery. i believe it was favoured to the sternum.
I'm left handed. Mma, hapkido, Kali, krav maga background. Hello from Toronto Canada.....solo home training I've been doing Libre fighting. Always looking for new solo video clips for home training . I have my own gym. Miss sparring.....covid sucks
Outstanding material and explanation. I really appreciate and enjoy how you are able to very methodically dissect a movement pattern into its components for the sake of pedagogy. Thanks for the excellent material and much respect to you and your work. You mentioned in a reply to one of the comments below that you consider relaxation to be contextual. For curiosity's sake, In your estimation, what would be the ideal context and application of relaxation as per the Vasilev-Ryabko philosophy, and in what context would such relaxation be inappropriate? I'm relatively new to your channel so please forgive me if this has been covered in a previous post.
It’s a shame systema is so secretive and there isn’t much information on it and it’s origins, some of this stuff makes sense as opposed to some of the other weird stuff I’ve seen. Based on what I’ve seen on RUclips I think Kadochnikov and something called ROSS seem to be the only styles that are practical
Left foot forward, right foot forward for this Slavic jab as an entry before clinch or deployment of tool from belt. I want to strike with my left which is my power hand....wish we could have a short chat
Absolutely. I love it. Also hook into a horizontal shield and driving in with the elbow point to push and create distance while drawing. I will look. I may have a video on something related.
Do western boxing rules allow this? I use a back hand that looks similar to a slavic jab. And when I competed I was told I couldn't use a back hand in anyway
Hi Kevin, We met at Aldo's seminar in Hermosillo, it's great to say Hi to you again. I'm from Systema Mexico City; Well, you said that you don't have the relaxation fixation of Vlad. Do you think it is the same about the body Posture in Vlad-Mikael school? Doyou think it is efficient ? . Thanx for your time
I think what they advicate is impossible in a real fight. Under real pressure, with real resistance, relaxation is relative. Look at at an elite boxer, an Olympian, a special forces operative. They achieve ax zone of optimal performance where their structure is stable, their function is efficient and their body systems are escalated to an ideal level. They are not flacid. Statements about keeping heart rates as low as possible are fantasy. Training that seeks to apply 4 ounces of pressure or minimize muscular engagement is ideology not reality. Relaxation at any cost is misguided. Some degree of excitation and activation is not only good but measurably beneficial, provably probable and consistent in elite performers throughout related realms. Research on zones of optimal performance is very clear. Yogic breathing is efficient for yoga--not for a fight. Likewise chi kung postures may be great for health but to try to force them into the battlefield or onto the street or into the ring for that matter is misguided in my opinion. Efficient posture is essential but it is relative to context. It changes when you are in the fight. I think what they prescribe is intended more as a vehicle to self awareness rather than a method of orobabke combative readiness. Again, this is just my opinion and it enrages many advocates in the relaxation cult but my opinion is that we should each do what we know to be best for us and share it honestly with our students. If you believe total relaxation makes sense and that matches your world view, then you should invest yourself in it fulky because it is what you believe. If I believe it is suicide, it should not matter. When we face violence, we face it alone with our convictions and the skills we have cultivated. Ideology is the first thing to fail.
Kevin Secours you eloquently put into words the same unease I've had with internal arts such as tai chi and to some degree certain lineages of wing chun. I get a tremendous energetic effect and health benefits from say tai chi. There are some mind body tricks I've seen and experienced with deep relaxation but like you said pulling that off in combative context is iffy. People are trying to achieve the status of invincible Yang. Who knows how he fought. The relaxation fixation seems to be a yang cheng fu cheng man ching phenomena. This is why I'm looking to your stuff to augment my internal arts. Unfortunately I'm 500km west from you. Thanks.
Out of interest; does the integration of boxing with systema not undermine the 'relaxed' aspect of systema? And is this a new style you are developing for yourself, or is this specifically for boxers/MMAs improving on their style? Thank you for the informative, thorough freebie ;D
Slavic Boxingis part of Systema, thereare many groups of Systema on Russia, some of them use this type of Boxing other don't... dipend of what you do... this part is "Boxing" is not self defens... is the part of attack and fighting....
We don't have any ideological fixation on relaxation like the Vasiliev-Ryabko approach. We orient more with the Retuinskih or Kadochnikov focus on biomechanical efficiency. Relaxation is relative to context. Having the hands at waste level, or the next fully elongated during the heat of a fight is more of a philosophical objective than a biomechanically efficient way to survive impact. I dedicated a lot of time to the former approach. It simply didn't work for me, but I recognize that many do enjoy that objective.
That clears things up, thank you. I can certainly see your point- especially imagining it in a security context. (i think i confused your emphasis on agility and flexibility, as relaxation) For me, I am just like a kid in a candy store when it comes to martial arts so i love looking at all the styles- systema most of all. I'd always noticed your approach was quite unique so i though i would ask to clarify my understanding. Thank you for the reply!
There are also other factors, like creating downward drive to the triangulation point, improved orientation of the striking facets with the target, superior recruitment of the elasticity of the connective tissue, as well as the ease of flow into figure 8 strikes, elbows, traps, etc. as the others have mentioned. We go into all of those details before addressing the Slavic jab on the download. This is just an assortment of drills for those that are already using the Slavic jab, not a comprehensive tutorial on the why and how.
There are numerous lineages of Slavic fist fighting. The earliest historical record was documented by Nestor the chronicler in the 10th century at which time he already refers to Slavic fist fighting competitions being banned by the church. There are diverse distinct lineages , some which include grappling going back at least that far and some survive in direct lineages today.
@@Combatprofessor The Cossacks were a military class in the service of the state. They had their own traditions of saber fighting, equestrian tactics, handling firearms. They didn't have hand-to-hand combat as a tradition. At least, nothing that would differ from the skills of a trained soldier of that time. What you mentioned does not apply to the Cossacks, who, as a real historical phenomenon, appeared much centuries later than Nestor. These are all the few historical extracts about Russian hand-to-hand combat and wrestling that historians have managed to find. What the Systema sells you under the guise of "Slavic martial arts" simply does not exist. In the Russian Empire, the practice of martial arts for ordinary people was banned. The military trained with weapons according to European methods. Since the 11th century. The Cossacks did the same. There were fairground fist fights and wrestling, but they did not give rise to any tradition, any special technique. Such fighters were not considered "masters", or carriers of some special skill. After the revolution, the First World War, the Civil War and the Second World War, nothing remained of these fair fights. As well as in many ways from the traditional, pre-revolutionary Russian culture. Until the 90s, no one in Russia had heard of any Slavic martial arts. And there was no need for that - everyone was engaged in boxing, wrestling and sambo. And this is the real base of the "Systema". Plus some principles of Aikido and Kadochnikov's system. The only tradition that can really claim such a name is group fights "Wall to wall". Two rows of fighters converge on each other, with a minimum of rules. This tradition really did not go away and had practical significance. The winners had weight in resolving disputed land issues. Also, gangs were often formed from such fighters. Now it also exists, under the guise of fights of football hooligans. And there are their own tactics, their own teaching methods, etc.
@@alexdow8042 I disagree on many points but to each their own. There are numerous styles outside of systema teaching traditional Russian fisticuffs . If you wish to discount that all as marketing hype that’s fine. There are distinct principles in these approaches and even wall fighting in my opinion.
@@Combatprofessor What I have stated is consistent with the official historical version. Evidence and sources can be found for this. The same cannot be said about the supporters of "Slavic martial arts". All, all similar styles were invented in the 90s as a marketing brand. None of them were known before. Are you familiar with the Kadochnikov system? If not, I highly recommend that you familiarize yourself. It's all the same as in Systema. Ryabko is a student of Kadochnikov. And Kadochnikov is a sambo master who studied the principles of Aikido, wu-shu, jiu-jitsu for a long time and tried to formulate them scientifically. Hence the name "System". Here in Russia, all this information is no secret to anyone. P.S. I would be very happy and proud if "Slavic martial Arts" actually existed. But the real Slavic martial arts are Sambo, the Kadochnikov system, Soviet boxing, the Soviet wrestling school. They are all modern, european combat systems. Not a single representative of the "traditional" arts even came close to achieving the achievements as representatives of these styles.
@@alexdow8042 first I think you’re wrongly assuming I advocate ryabko systema which I do not. I left their lineage long ago.. I understand you’re not familiar with my work since I reference kadochnikov routinely and obviously resemble his work much more than the vasiliev camp. Retuinskih himself widely references traditional Slavic lineages in his work. The root of the movement in this video are the saber fighting you mentioned and I consider saber fighting a martial art as well. I also believe it’s unlikely that a warrior culture had a weapon fighting system without any empty handed complimentary component. There is no question Chinese and Japanese arts are a huge root of the Russian arts or that the majority of their greatest contributions are Soviet era. Nor is there doubt that that there is a lot of marketing hype claiming ancient aryan lineages and all the rest of that bunk or it that people like ryabko falsified their origins. The Russian arts are full of misinformation , mystical nonsense and mythologized origins. I do not believe that identifying a figure 8 jab as characteristically Slavic is controversial but if you believe that there was no empty handed boxing system predating the Soviet era that influenced that era you are free to do so. None of it affects the quality of my jab.
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thank you for doing free material! thank you very much! your material is gold
You are totally welcome. There is more to come. I also take requests--hint, hint.
Sweet! I like that motion also to bring someone's hands down with the diagonal hammer motion ....love your video's sir! Thanks for the share.
Coming from a traditional Japanese martial art this makes more sense mechanically than the Vasiliev-Ryabko explanation. Not to knock Vasiliev-Ryabko. I like that too. But I am more practiced at thinking efficiency of mechanics and this video really helps tie those pieces together for someone coming from that background. I love these bite sized videos that easily provide aspects to work into my training. Thank you!
Kevin should have been/or be on a bill nye style show for the arts. 😅 He's always had such a fantastic and easy to digest style of teaching.
Plz do a video on Wolfpack fighting meaning more than one opponent/assailant....and from what I've seen it's not aesthetically pleasing to the eyes like in action videos...but I'd like to see more videos of your approach to this uneven confrontation....btw I love your dedication and evolution within this craft....No limits!
locus coeruleus one is in the works . Should be out by end of January
This is my new favorite video. Throw a rock in the lake. It ripples in the water. A lot of imagination and creativity in my shadow boxing at home. Solo. Coming from this info. Thank you
Kevin not only are your videos the best but your combat systema is the most comprehensive and practical fighting/ self preservation curriculum in existence. I look forward to someday training with you.
Nice detail about the upcoming of the jab and the historical context. Good learningpoints to aplicate it. I like the way you break up the technique.
I just stumbled on this video and as someone who have only done boxing 6 months this is very informative.Great job coach
Thanks so much for watching. Glad it could help.
Excellent explanation, thanks
Beautiful explanation. Ty.
Thanks for watching
Kevin Secours is this century's Martial Scientist, and I mean the Martial Scientist!
Very kind. I am glad you enjoy the work. All the best from Montreal.
Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge and giving out some free content like this. Wish I lived closer to train with you!
this is phenomenal... thank you
Maan I was doing this very simular (not as tight tho) on my own, noone tought me it, (self tought), but now I am glad to get those details on how to improve it. Btw I am a Slav too :) a Serb.
That's awesome. Well done.
hahaaa!!! it´s in your DNA!!
excellent breakdown, thank you sir!
Stephen Opper thanks for watching
I just discovered your channel. Never knew the name of this technique. Luke Holloway RCI does this but never knew where he got it from. Cool
really nice breakdown and origins of development, puts it in technical context.btw a corkscrew delivery as used by James Figg & his protégés has more than a passing resemblance to this type of delivery. i believe it was favoured to the sternum.
Thanks Kevin from Spain
You are totally welcome. All the best from Montreal.
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I'm left handed. Mma, hapkido, Kali, krav maga background. Hello from Toronto Canada.....solo home training I've been doing Libre fighting. Always looking for new solo video clips for home training . I have my own gym. Miss sparring.....covid sucks
Outstanding material and explanation. I really appreciate and enjoy how you are able to very methodically dissect a movement pattern into its components for the sake of pedagogy. Thanks for the excellent material and much respect to you and your work. You mentioned in a reply to one of the comments below that you consider relaxation to be contextual. For curiosity's sake, In your estimation, what would be the ideal context and application of relaxation as per the Vasilev-Ryabko philosophy, and in what context would such relaxation be inappropriate? I'm relatively new to your channel so please forgive me if this has been covered in a previous post.
Such great video! Thanks for these tips Kevin!
GOLD
Glad you enjoyed it.
It’s a shame systema is so secretive and there isn’t much information on it and it’s origins, some of this stuff makes sense as opposed to some of the other weird stuff I’ve seen.
Based on what I’ve seen on RUclips I think Kadochnikov and something called ROSS seem to be the only styles that are practical
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Left foot forward, right foot forward for this Slavic jab as an entry before clinch or deployment of tool from belt. I want to strike with my left which is my power hand....wish we could have a short chat
Lol i realised that i was already hitting like that and i had problems on boxing gym.
Thinking, hook. Hammer. Same hand, as a way of creating a strike, distraction, to access/ deploy knife from belt with free hand. Opinions?
Absolutely. I love it. Also hook into a horizontal shield and driving in with the elbow point to push and create distance while drawing. I will look. I may have a video on something related.
kevin can you give me more information about the summer camp with you and the training please
hello from colombia
You can find the write up here: www.combatsystema.com/summer-camp-2017.html
If you have any questions, email me at kevinsecours@hotmail.com.
o right sorry i was a dingus jajaja
thanks
my pleasure
Do western boxing rules allow this? I use a back hand that looks similar to a slavic jab. And when I competed I was told I couldn't use a back hand in anyway
No this would be illegal in western boxing.
Hi Kevin, We met at Aldo's seminar in Hermosillo, it's great to say Hi to you again. I'm from Systema Mexico City; Well, you said that you don't have the relaxation fixation of Vlad. Do you think it is the same about the body Posture in Vlad-Mikael school? Doyou think it is efficient ? . Thanx for your time
I think what they advicate is impossible in a real fight. Under real pressure, with real resistance, relaxation is relative. Look at at an elite boxer, an Olympian, a special forces operative. They achieve ax zone of optimal performance where their structure is stable, their function is efficient and their body systems are escalated to an ideal level. They are not flacid. Statements about keeping heart rates as low as possible are fantasy. Training that seeks to apply 4 ounces of pressure or minimize muscular engagement is ideology not reality. Relaxation at any cost is misguided. Some degree of excitation and activation is not only good but measurably beneficial, provably probable and consistent in elite performers throughout related realms. Research on zones of optimal performance is very clear. Yogic breathing is efficient for yoga--not for a fight. Likewise chi kung postures may be great for health but to try to force them into the battlefield or onto the street or into the ring for that matter is misguided in my opinion. Efficient posture is essential but it is relative to context. It changes when you are in the fight. I think what they prescribe is intended more as a vehicle to self awareness rather than a method of orobabke combative readiness. Again, this is just my opinion and it enrages many advocates in the relaxation cult but my opinion is that we should each do what we know to be best for us and share it honestly with our students. If you believe total relaxation makes sense and that matches your world view, then you should invest yourself in it fulky because it is what you believe. If I believe it is suicide, it should not matter. When we face violence, we face it alone with our convictions and the skills we have cultivated. Ideology is the first thing to fail.
Kevin Secours Again, thanx. See you around
I really liked that, it puts you in perspective and in reality: "in the presence of Fear (extreme danger): Ideology is the first thing to fail"
Kevin Secours you eloquently put into words the same unease I've had with internal arts such as tai chi and to some degree certain lineages of wing chun. I get a tremendous energetic effect and health benefits from say tai chi. There are some mind body tricks I've seen and experienced with deep relaxation but like you said pulling that off in combative context is iffy. People are trying to achieve the status of invincible Yang. Who knows how he fought. The relaxation fixation seems to be a yang cheng fu cheng man ching phenomena. This is why I'm looking to your stuff to augment my internal arts. Unfortunately I'm 500km west from you. Thanks.
does anyone think using this type of striking in sparring is a good way to train dagger and knife movements?
Out of interest; does the integration of boxing with systema not undermine the 'relaxed' aspect of systema?
And is this a new style you are developing for yourself, or is this specifically for boxers/MMAs improving on their style?
Thank you for the informative, thorough freebie ;D
Slavic Boxingis part of Systema, thereare many groups of Systema on Russia, some of them use this type of Boxing other don't... dipend of what you do... this part is "Boxing" is not self defens... is the part of attack and fighting....
We don't have any ideological fixation on relaxation like the Vasiliev-Ryabko approach. We orient more with the Retuinskih or Kadochnikov focus on biomechanical efficiency. Relaxation is relative to context. Having the hands at waste level, or the next fully elongated during the heat of a fight is more of a philosophical objective than a biomechanically efficient way to survive impact. I dedicated a lot of time to the former approach. It simply didn't work for me, but I recognize that many do enjoy that objective.
That clears things up, thank you. I can certainly see your point- especially imagining it in a security context. (i think i confused your emphasis on agility and flexibility, as relaxation)
For me, I am just like a kid in a candy store when it comes to martial arts so i love looking at all the styles- systema most of all.
I'd always noticed your approach was quite unique so i though i would ask to clarify my understanding.
Thank you for the reply!
thank you for the reply, that makes sense. I will need to learn some more.
My pleasure. E me any time if you have questions. All the best.
What's the point about turning the thumb down? It feels pretty unnatural to me, compared to turning the fist only 180° (Karate punch).
Do I give that question a thumb up or thumb down? ;)
I saw that one coming.
edi the twisting to thumb down feeds into a elliptical motion. To finish the figure eight the hand need to go in that direction, hope that helps
Sets up the elbow for the following strike
There are also other factors, like creating downward drive to the triangulation point, improved orientation of the striking facets with the target, superior recruitment of the elasticity of the connective tissue, as well as the ease of flow into figure 8 strikes, elbows, traps, etc. as the others have mentioned. We go into all of those details before addressing the Slavic jab on the download. This is just an assortment of drills for those that are already using the Slavic jab, not a comprehensive tutorial on the why and how.
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cossacks were not slavic
Sssh don't spoil the marketing
There is no such thing as "cossack martial arts". At least, not regarding bare hand combat. This is all marketing stuff.
There are numerous lineages of Slavic fist fighting. The earliest historical record was documented by Nestor the chronicler in the 10th century at which time he already refers to Slavic fist fighting competitions being banned by the church. There are diverse distinct lineages , some which include grappling going back at least that far and some survive in direct lineages today.
@@Combatprofessor The Cossacks were a military class in the service of the state. They had their own traditions of saber fighting, equestrian tactics, handling firearms. They didn't have hand-to-hand combat as a tradition. At least, nothing that would differ from the skills of a trained soldier of that time. What you mentioned does not apply to the Cossacks, who, as a real historical phenomenon, appeared much centuries later than Nestor. These are all the few historical extracts about Russian hand-to-hand combat and wrestling that historians have managed to find.
What the Systema sells you under the guise of "Slavic martial arts" simply does not exist. In the Russian Empire, the practice of martial arts for ordinary people was banned. The military trained with weapons according to European methods. Since the 11th century. The Cossacks did the same.
There were fairground fist fights and wrestling, but they did not give rise to any tradition, any special technique. Such fighters were not considered "masters", or carriers of some special skill. After the revolution, the First World War, the Civil War and the Second World War, nothing remained of these fair fights. As well as in many ways from the traditional, pre-revolutionary Russian culture. Until the 90s, no one in Russia had heard of any Slavic martial arts. And there was no need for that - everyone was engaged in boxing, wrestling and sambo. And this is the real base of the "Systema". Plus some principles of Aikido and Kadochnikov's system.
The only tradition that can really claim such a name is group fights "Wall to wall". Two rows of fighters converge on each other, with a minimum of rules. This tradition really did not go away and had practical significance. The winners had weight in resolving disputed land issues. Also, gangs were often formed from such fighters. Now it also exists, under the guise of fights of football hooligans. And there are their own tactics, their own teaching methods, etc.
@@alexdow8042 I disagree on many points but to each their own. There are numerous styles outside of systema teaching traditional Russian fisticuffs . If you wish to discount that all as marketing hype that’s fine. There are distinct principles in these approaches and even wall fighting in my opinion.
@@Combatprofessor What I have stated is consistent with the official historical version. Evidence and sources can be found for this. The same cannot be said about the supporters of "Slavic martial arts". All, all similar styles were invented in the 90s as a marketing brand. None of them were known before. Are you familiar with the Kadochnikov system? If not, I highly recommend that you familiarize yourself. It's all the same as in Systema. Ryabko is a student of Kadochnikov. And Kadochnikov is a sambo master who studied the principles of Aikido, wu-shu, jiu-jitsu for a long time and tried to formulate them scientifically. Hence the name "System". Here in Russia, all this information is no secret to anyone.
P.S. I would be very happy and proud if "Slavic martial Arts" actually existed. But the real Slavic martial arts are Sambo, the Kadochnikov system, Soviet boxing, the Soviet wrestling school. They are all modern, european combat systems. Not a single representative of the "traditional" arts even came close to achieving the achievements as representatives of these styles.
@@alexdow8042 first I think you’re wrongly assuming I advocate ryabko systema which I do not. I left their lineage long ago.. I understand you’re not familiar with my work since I reference kadochnikov routinely and obviously resemble his work much more than the vasiliev camp. Retuinskih himself widely references traditional Slavic lineages in his work. The root of the movement in this video are the saber fighting you mentioned and I consider saber fighting a martial art as well. I also believe it’s unlikely that a warrior culture had a weapon fighting system without any empty handed complimentary component. There is no question Chinese and Japanese arts are a huge root of the Russian arts or that the majority of their greatest contributions are Soviet era. Nor is there doubt that that there is a lot of marketing hype claiming ancient aryan lineages and all the rest of that bunk or it that people like ryabko falsified their origins. The Russian arts are full of misinformation , mystical nonsense and mythologized origins. I do not believe that identifying a figure 8 jab as characteristically Slavic is controversial but if you believe that there was no empty handed boxing system predating the Soviet era that influenced that era you are free to do so. None of it affects the quality of my jab.
Worse than a rookie in boxing.)))