Thanks for having me! 🙏🏼🙏🏼 I have learned so much about Karate from you! It’s so fascinating to see the connection! Now I just need a Time Machine to truly find out what happened in the past!
I love this! I always thought the Sanchin kata, with open hands,reflects opening of Siu Lim Tao. Wing Chun and Karate pair so well, it's like they are teaching the same thing, but Wing Chun focused forms teach by principle, which you need to learn to apply; whereas Karate forms teach by examples, for you to figure out the principle yourself.
i love wing chun one time a guy got in my way i elbowed striked a guy he went flying i didnt learn wing chung very long either i did for a couple weeks like to learn from a real master thought
These kind of videos need to become more popular amongst martial artists as a whole. The community spends so much time at each others throats about what art is the best and which are useless... etc. Videos like this help us understand that PRINCIPLES are often shared from art to art. It is just the examples of the use of the principle that differ. Loved this video!
As a Wing Chun guy, I really enjoyed this! Kevin Lee seems to be a very proficient Wing Chun teacher. You really stepped up your game over the years Jesse. Keep this quality content coming! :)
@PaMuShin I agree, but it not only depend on the teacher but also depend on yourself. I learn math faster than average people regardless who is the teacher. Good teacher made the student learn more faster. In engineering, many graduated student don't know how to apply the knowledge in real world. Even they can not design a simple product then working in the different field. It is like martial arts that many student only interested how become stronger but can not apply their technique in real fight.
@@anistardi I call that, COMMON SENSE & understanding Real World Mechanics. Lots of BOOK- SMART students come out of college with a piece of paper, saying they're Engineers, but in the real world, they couldn't design and build a working prototype to do something simple. I worked with a guy, like that, that was a THIEF. He would take other people's prototypes and put his name on them, like HE was the one that did the figuring and research and built the prototype. He did that to me and was promoted to SYSTEM MECHANICAL ENGINEER. for the railroad I worked for. All he was, was a THIEF with a Mechanical Engineering Degree, that had NO common sense.
@@KARATEbyJesse. Did you know That's on The early stage of Okinawa karate, it was influenced by south East Asian Silat. Now I feel it. That's why the move is so familiar. But less ferocious, Silat feels a bit nastier, maybe because it doesn't suit japanese pride. (Eye gouging, ball crashing, joint breaking).
Holy shxt, I've been learning karate for about 30 years, and I found I just learned some actual applications of a lot of moves that I've practiced from the Wing Chun expert Kevin Lee...
I practiced Lo Man Wing Chun for almost 20 years, it's quite beautiful but I often wondered how much actual combat applications got lost in translation over time.
As a Wing Chun practitioner, I must say that this is for once a refreshing video of comparisons between Japanese and Chinese styles. I love the approach and comradery between both masters.
Greatest respect, there is no Japanese style here. Traditional Karate is Okinowan, derived from Chinese teaching and influence. Japanese Karate is 'sport' karate, and that is not here. These styles meld beautifully together because they're essentially the same thing
Idk that you consider kyokushin a Japanese style or Korean but it's not definitely okinawan Maybe some okinawan influences but not directly a subgroup of it
I love how you both were so excited to see the similarities in the styles and ultimately learn from each other. The energy levels in this short video were incredible. Lots of respect to Kevin who clearly knows his stuff. Well done guys
It’s been my understanding that Karate, as well as Wing Chun, Dragon, Mantis, Snake, and Bak Mei styles of Kung Fu, all evolved from Fujian White Crane. Is this correct?
@@bradnarokNot sure about other Kung Fu styles, but definitely Wing Chun for sure. I currently practice the Goju-Ryu style of Okinawan Karate, but I also have a background in WC as well, and both styles share a lot in common when it comes to body mechanics, stances, and redirecting open hand movements.
@@bradnarok Having trained in Southern Mantis, Wing Chun and Karate and I can say from my experience it's a mix of yes and no. Yes in that with Wing Chun that per the origins that both White crane as well as snake fist played a role in it's development. As for Southern Mantis particularly the Jook lum lineage had combined White Crane, Chin Na grappling and other Shaolin martial arts to get to it's development. Bak mei from what other Bak mei practitioners have said to me the arts that played a role were Tiger, death touch, wudang and Shaolin but idk white crane played a role in it's development. But for Karate, Mantis and Wing Chun it's yes and no. Hope this helps. Train and learn.
With over 40 years of Wing Chun kung fu training .He is the only Gm Teaching 6 days a week .He is also the fastest Wing Chun kung striker.He is second to none!
sense jesse's animated reactions are so funny. also i love how kevin is basically an encyclopedia of wing chun. everything jesse throws at him, he already knows and goes even further. amazing
When I first started learning Wing Chun in the 90s, my sifu explained the similarity to traditional Okinawan karate. "They are both based on the same movement patterns from White Crane, but Karate focuses more on using those principles to create powerful strikes to cause direct injury. Wing Chun focuses more on the intersection between striking and wrestling to improve position, use structure to physically move a larger opponent and deliver quick low energy strikes to vital targets.
That description, combined with the movements of the Wing Chun teacher in this video remind of me certain concepts in Hapkido. Makes me wonder if they’re distantly related somehow.
nope sorry but not true, the parent styles of Wing Chun are basic shaolin and Nanquan. where in Fujian white crane is descended from Nanquan as well. so its like this Nanquan Wing Chun-Fujian white crane Karate Jeet Kune do thats the family tree
@@houseofaction I took it to mean the principles understood from observing the animal, not a literal lineage. I imagine there was a lot of cross-pollination between styles and animals served as lexicon for movement patterns.
I was about to say this, my Wing Chun Sifu told me that the legend was that Ng Mui created the prototype Wing-Chun from the crane and snake techniques from the five animals Shaolin style and simplified it so that a student could learn to use these techniques effectively within a few years of start training, and then it was passed down to Yim Wing Chun and so on and so forth.
Correct me if I'm wrong. But I believe that Jesse did a personal trip documentry to China that tried ot follow Okinawan Karate back to China and the White Crane kung Fu in China. It was a very informative.
My Sifu, who only taught me Wing Chun and Qigong, but was a master of several other arts too, once said to me, "I'm going to show you this thing, called Tensho. Don't worry about the rest of the art it comes from, just learn this". And it became part of our Wing Chun routine. He got criticized by traditional Wing Chun guys for that!
Few years ago, I've seen a local WT sifu performing something that resembled Tensho so much that it couldn't have been a coincidence. I showed him my Tensho, which is a bit different from other versions (hands movement is fast and goes in long circles, not almost straight like typical goju ryu). We agreed it's definitely from the same cradle.
If you learn many movement but do not understand how to use it, you must be stupid. But wise man understand why that movement created and can develop many variation or even modify to be better.
One of the systems that influenced Okinawan Karate is White Crane, they even share a form, Sanchin. Both White Crane and Wing Chun come from the same place, Yongchun. Always loved to find connections between Chinese systems and this is why Okinawan Karate has a special place in my heart, even tho I have never practiced it. Great video as always!
It comes from the bubshi. It's very well documented. Shoalin monk fist ,Yong Chun and white Crain. The documents exist. Patrick mccarthy how's written about it Extensively . Historically, Wing Chun was one set. Then broken down into 3 sets. Which started the watering down. SLT is a dead give away that it's a Qi gong based system. And also do to the Kuen kit.
Yes, for me too it is fascinating. In all fairness it is all in all the same. I guess Wing Chun was a modern version of the Crane. Like Karate was a Japanese version of some Kung Fu... It is the same remodel. When it comes down to it we all (well nearly) got 2 arms, 2 legs and 10 fingers all over the globe, so it is not that crazy to find similar technics in other places.
Tensho is very similar to Sil Lin Tao, several aspects in common between Goju Ryu (and Naha Te in general) with Wig Chun. I think it's due to the common roots of the Fujian White Crane Fist. With this in mind, it is interesting to reflect on how the transformation into a sport when Karate arrived in Japan distorted and deformed it.
@@KARATEbyJesse In your China series didn't you find that Flower Shop Kung fu was similar to the Original Shaolin form and saw Naihanchi in the form. It was a very good series by the way.
So cool the respect Jesse has for the other martial arts and how he seeks to understand similarities and differences in a positive educational way. It's fun to see him get so excited!
To witness a sincere, ego free exchange of knowledge is such a fresh breath of air. Thank you for reminding us what curiosity open mindness, and willingness to listen looks like. Well done gentlemen!
Jesse you have one of the most wholesome martial arts channels on RUclips. You are a role model for anyone who wants to learn martial arts. Genuinely open and eager to learn, and so humble. And of course you are a major martial arts nerd, your are extremely full of knowledge.
@@michaelmartinez3893 it's certainly a complex and interesting art. I studied Wing Chun and really enjoyed it -- I hope to return to it one day but I'm focusing on karate and other goals at the moment.
I grew up doing taekwondo, essentially Korean karate, and then did Moy Yat Ving Tsun (wing chun) for about 4 to 5 years. The more I watch Jessie explore the roots of karate and meet with other teachers of other styles the more I see the relationship between Wing Chun and karate, particularly the Okinawan variations Jesse has shown
Goju-Ryu style of Okinawan Karate shares a lot with Wing Chun and Fujian White Crane Kung Fu. I have trained several years in Ip-Man / Wong Shun Leung lineage of WC, and I currently train in Goju-Ryu because it is very similar in body mechanics, stances, and redirecting open hand movements.
@@georgefoley9793 I have wanted to study goju-ryu for a very long time but there are no schools in my area that are close enough to travel to. Live just outside of Philadelphia currently
@@BigBadJohn7 there might be some in Philadelphia but I cannot travel that far right now. I know there used to be a Uechi Ryu school not too far into Philadelphia though
Between this and the Savate video, Jesse is really doing an anthropological study of the history of Karate, in a way only a dedicated practitioner could.
I’ve done traditional style Kung Fu and Wing Chun for over 25yrs. What I’ve learned from my masters is that there is really only so many “right ways” to move the human body. So basically all the really good martial arts share the same or very similar techniques just with there own flair. Great videos. Keep up the good work!!!!
Extraordinarily nice to see you interview the multi talented Kevin Lee. You both are intelligent, open minded and personable. Next level would be for you to travel together on the next venture and report back.
This was extremely well done. I've never before seen such close comparisons of karate and kung fu. You 2 could make a very exciting team in a fictional martial arts movie, where the 2 of you working together each take on bad guys differently while learning from each other, and at the same time teaching the audience. The chemistry between you was as good as it gets. Get yourselves into the movie business as a team. Use this video as your promotional video.
I am not a martial artist, but I like cultural studies. Your videos are centered in this way, which is really interesting and fun. Thanks man! Good work. Subscribed.
This blew my mind! Karate similar to wing chun?! Never would have thought that. Wing chun has more of the application too! I never knew how to apply naihanchi in (except a few ways) until I viewed this! Thx Jesse!
You're both so passionate, it's important to have passionate people to transfer the knowledge and this art will be preserved for the centuries to come.
I’ve been waiting for this subject to appear on your channel for so long, I’m so happy! I’ve been practicing Wing Chun now for almost 10 years and I was happy to hear about the things Kevin was mentioning and saying! This reminds me so much of one of the concepts you have mentioned before on your channel, I think maybe even when you were experimenting with Kevin before! You said, “No matter where you start around the base of the mountain, all paths journey towards the peak.” That mindset is one of the things that your channel has taught me that has made such a huge impact on my training. Eventually, martial concepts start overlapping and techniques start performing the same with slightly different adaptations. It’s a beautiful thing!
Jesse es un ejemplo de fraternidad entre los aristas marciales,su busqueda es sincera y es agradable verlo compartir los conocimientos,los egos separan pero la mente disfruta con cada nuevo descubrimiento . Felicidades!
This was a wonderful video. I've practiced kung fu for a little over 40 years and every time I have an interaction like this with someone who has a similar level of experience in another system it opens my eyes to new ways of interpreting movements in my forms. Great respect to you, Jesse, from a martial arts brother in Buffalo, New York!
This is one of the reasons why I love this channel! Wonderful class showing the Chinese origins of the kata I learned as Tekki Shodan! And it's great to see both experts learning together from each other.
@@krishnakamble9698 Both traditional Karate and Wing Chun have good application of technique. They’re both interchangeable, but I will say in some ways Wing Chun is a little bit easier. Still I enjoy both Martial arts.
This video was amazing. Naihonchi was my favorite kata as a kid because it was short and easy to learn. And now it looks like a key to the history of martial arts.
In fact, it is not than Okinawan made a local Wing Chun, it is than Wing Chun and Karate came from the same "mother martial art" : Bai He Quan, (Crane Fist) from Foshan. If you study the Taos in Bai He, you will see that Wing Chun and Karate, in their own ways, are in fact sort of synthesis of that style !
No this is wrong, Wing Chun has its origins in basic shaolin and Nanquan, karate has its basic origins fom Fujian white crane, white crane has its origins in shaolin and Nanquan. so its Nanquan Wing Chun- Fujian hite krane Karate so they are siblings or more akin to cousin arts
@@houseofaction This kind of nuance or confusion is like when people ask "do evolutionists claim humans are descendants of monkeys/chimpanzees". It is always somewhat a "yes and no".
It seems to me that as Karate discarded many of the chin na based/ inside control and then strike ( or simultaneous) strike and control aspects for a more outside striking strategy, it became less of a ‘softer’ system and more of a ‘harder’, or ‘external’ system and consequently a new breed altogether. The forms of karate and Kung fu/ gong fu e.g., white crane forms, wing chun forms and many of the karate forms seem to be the smoking gun of lineage, parentage, what have you, but the elimination of trapping and clinching/ control exercises such as Tui shou and chi sao have turned karate into a bit of a different animal but with similar roots. I may be way off on this. I’m wondering if you could show which Karate katas are unmistakably connected /sharing origins with the corresponding Chinese Tao lu, if you haven’t already done so. I guess San Chin is the easiest one to use as an example. Any others?
I practiced GojuRyu Karate in the IOGKF for many years and then 8,5 Years ago I switched to WingTsun. And the more I learn in WingTsun the better I understand what I did in Karate but more important why I did this way in Karate. And in the 12 GojuRyu Katas the one that is closest to WingTsun is Tensho and it's cause of where it comes from.... The white crane.
I practiced Wing Chun (Ip-Man / Wong Shun Leung lineage) for several years, and I now practice Goju-Ryu. Both styles complement each other so well, and the more I learn Goju-Ryu, the more it feels like WC.
Goju-Ryu is what I grew up doing. I tried SOUTHERN mantis, and it was so, so, much like wing chun; all three arts share this close, “step in” focus. If you can find a good Southern Mantis instructor (anyone reading this), you will learn to play in that wing chun space for sure. Note however that NORTHERN mantis is a totally different art that likes to go from a distance.
Kevin is my favorite Wing Chun guy on RUclips. But what I love the most is that it's just two guys who love martial arts just nerding out about talking shop.
"Open hand" is always faster than "closed fist." You can prove this with a younger, willing partner and a baseball cap. Great points about the efficiency and speed of Wing Chun vs. Karate. An open hand is approx. 11 milliseconds (eye blink) faster than closed hand. It's all about Chi and fluidity. Sensei Enkamp clearly demonstrates the similarities of Wing Chun and Okinawan Karate technique. Kevin Lee is a great teacher and both remain great students of the intricacies (foot placement/hip movement) of both disciplines. Great video... really great !!!!
Jess Enkamp puts out the BEST informative and historical martial arts videos. And since Bruce Lee introduced Wing Chun, I admired Wing Chun; however, now I have an even greater appreciation for Wing Chun style. This you video proves that Wing Chun is not useless and that Karate and Wing Chun have a real connection, which I didn't realize previously except for what I know about Goju, which also uses what's called "married hands," which may be called "sticky hands" in Wing Chun. Thank you for providiing this and all of your videos, Sensei Jesse Enkamp.
Awesome collaboration guys, I trained karate for years before I started Wing Chun and JKD and I immediately saw the same similarities! I’m so happy to see that I wasn’t alone in my observation. The glee with which you born approach the subject makes me so happy. Thank you, and be safe
Woah; my Shi-Han literally just taught me the beginning of this Kata tonight - its not in our Goju-Ryu syllabus but its so different than anything I’d done up until now over these last few years. Love the wavelength you’re on Jesse - keep inspiring🥋
@@perfectsplit5515I study isshin ryu too but from what I learned it was mostly just goju ryu,shorin ryu, and motobu kenpo and weopons from Taira Shinken idk bout pure kung fu though maybe though maybe
@hotlanta35 it depends on the lineage the 2nd & 3rd were created by Itosu, so only the lineages that descend from him have three. Similarly with Pinan 1 to 5. Originally they were created as a series of introductory forms by Itosu, but depending on when you learn them & from whom they evolved into several varieties. Chomo Hanashiro only learned the first when it was developed. The others came several years later, so if you learn from his lineage they only teach Pinan Shodan.
I've been waiting a long time for a video of Jesse talking about Wing Chun as, being a Wing Chun practitioner myself and having practiced karate, I've come to see a good amount of similarities between the two arts. Thank you so much Jesse and Kevin. It'd be great to have a more in depth video comparing Wing Chun with Karate.
Jesse, you continue to impress me with you wanting to grow to better your knowledge and your discipline. To be honest, I had looked down Karate in the past, but watching your videos over the years you have given me new perspectives as well.
Keep these videos coming. That was one of the best breakdowns of nihanchi I’ve ever seen. I love that you demonstrated that it’s the artist not the art. No egos. We are truly one family.
I used to train in Wing Chun back in the 1990s, but I've been using Naihanchi Shodan (and Sanchin) as the core of my own training, for the past five years or so. So I find this video brilliant and fascinating!
I loved this Jesse and would love to see you explore your karate more through more style comparisons. Fascinating stuff. I'm teaching taiji to a group of karate sensei right now and every lesson one of them yells "It's just like what we do!". Thanks for posting this (and Taiwan would be worth a trip for you I think!)
I used to practice Wing Chun and Hung Gar, both of which are related to other southern styles like White Crane. I think karate is more closely related to "southern Shaolin" styles than southern Shaolin styles are to northern styles like Longfist, which is what you most often see in modern wushu and Shaolin.
the parent style of karate is fujian white crane. the parent style of fujian white crane is Nanquan the parent style of wing chun is also Nanquan so its like this Nanquan Wing Chun Fujian White crane karate Jeet Kune Do
I love those kind of videos, two nerds that masters two subject really close from one another and that are comparing notes, techniques and tools used. Even for someone like there's something to take. Be humble and never be afraid to share and learn even from unexpected sources. Thanks for the video, keep up the good work.
I’ve learned that ALL Martial Arts are pretty much the same. And it only depends on how you communicate your philosophy about the physics of whatever STYLE of Applied Physics that you are trying to convey. I’ve been a Student/Sifu for 25yrs in Wing Chun and this is how I interpret every combat style worth its salt, that I’ve seen. Once I understood Wing Chun I understood how ALL Martial Arts work and why they work. Or why they don’t. Awesome video Guys!! I greatly enjoyed watching the interaction between you two.
Love this! I've always heard my from wing chun instructors that there was a direct connection between wc and older forms of karate. Some of this is probably just that certain movements are logical in any martial art, but a lot of it looks like a shared lineage as well. You guys are great together BTW, more of this please.
Also listening to the final conversation that you had with Kevin, it does bring us back to the point that whatever martial art it is, basic biomechanic principles do still exist and still apply, which is why ive always laughed when people think that one art is better than another, because at its core, all martial arts just simply use your body mechanics as leverage. As long as we understand the application that's what matters!
Great video. This video shows how our world of martial arts is closely linked. I like Jessie's enthusiasm when he finds something similar. We all should be sharing this way.
This is fascinating! The similarities they discover while comparing different methodologies. I have a black belt in a Shotokan-based karate system in the Philippines and was taught by a brilliant wing-chun stylist from the USA, who regrettably didn't have enough time to teach our small group as he was going back stateside. It is wonderful to watch Jesse Enkamp and Kevin Lee exchange notes instead of doing a pissing contest. We need more interactions like this in the martial arts.
I don't practice any martial arts or anything like that myself, but I really am fascinated by how it all works. I love your channel , Keep making awesome vids, man.
It’s neat to see that Karate, which came from Okinawa, has its roots in different KungFu techniques. We can look to other martial arts for the bunkai of our katas.
As I was taught, Wing Chun´s founder used the Southern Crane style for the moves of her new style, not surprising that Southern crane keeps coming up in your karate exploration.
These 13 minutes went by in a flash O_O Was so absorbed in the video I didn't even realize how fast time passed. Nice to see you guys having a comparison like this. Keep up the good work!
This is just a general statement to your content and over the last four years I have truly enjoyed everything you’ve posted. I especially enjoy all the collaborations you’ve done with others in the martial arts community. Showing that one style isn’t necessarily better than any other. For that thank you. 🙏
This was absolutely fascinating to watch. I've really enjoyed your videos as well as Kevin's. It's so cool to see experts breaking down things so well AND collaborating like this. Cheers!
As someone coming from Wing Chun myself, I noticed some massive similarities between the Chum Kiu and Goju Ryu's Kururunfa while I was training in Okinawa. One of the coolest things I noticed was that literally all of the karate hand movements I was shown over the year I was there were contained within the Sil Lim Tao form if you knew where to look! I wonder if these similarities are because both styles came from Southern Shaolin?
Ask the Shaolin temple and they'll tell you there never was an official southern Shaolin.jessie did a really cool series visiting Fujian province in China with the fella at Monkey Steals Peach. Very much recommended if you're into "origin stories"
I've actually already seen it! Great set of videos! I'm not so much into "origin stories", but rather the history of things, so I love to theorize about this stuff. I actually wrote a research paper on the history of Karate while I was studying in Okinawa, though it's in Japanese, not English. @@markherron3067
This is beautiful to see, Bruce Lee is currently smiling down at you two, this is what its all about! making a connection and bridging th egap between all styles, it all comes from the same source, achieving inner peace as well as understanding ones body and its limits and breaking through them, while simultaneously learning from one another. I must go train.
This was excellent Jesse. I have a Wing Chun background and have trained a little bit in Karate, and one thing I noticed was how similar a lot of the techniques were, Goju in particular. I believe, as you discovered yourself on your trip to China, that both Karate and Wing Chun have their roots in White Crane Kung Fu, so the foundation is the same. Thank you for always making the most interesting videos!
I've already begun incorporating that karate foot check you showed off with Kevin a while ago in MMA and it always catches my more Muay Thai focused peers off guard when they throw leg kicks. I'm hoping I can learn Wing Chun hand trapping for the boxing side of things but it's harder with 1) 16 oz gloves and 2) the fact that boxers are taught to always retract their hands after throwing punches. Thanks for showing us cool stuff like this Jesse.
this vid with kevin is by far my fav in the last few vids. you two get along so well together and know such a deep knowledge of your own styles that yall can easily converse back and forth rappid fire like this. its impressive.
I've been thinking this exact thing for the last couple months!!!! This is insane to see! Thank you for doing these , it's amazing how things have changed, back in the day we would have to travel to China to find these things like the old masters, now I can do it while eating my breakfast
I love seeing videos like these. Growing up learning Kung Fu, everybody told me Karate came from Kung Fu, but I was too young to understand. It's almost like saying English words came from French or German roots. Very interesting to see how different forms were translated into kata
WOW! This video was quite monumental for me. As a Nidan in Shorin Ryu I had learned Nainchi Shodan as I think my 3rd Kata and just recently have been working on it a bit again. I had gotten away from my Okinawan Karate and been focusing on the same blended Arts that Sifu Lee trains in (Kali, JKD, Silat, Wing Chin). Sifu Lee is awesome...was with him 2 months ago. This is very interesting the correlation between Okinawan Karate and Wing Chun here and I can definitely see the crossover now. I will be revisiting all my Katas now LOL. Realy really dug this one! On a side note I am very curious as to how this came about since I have been following Jesse and known Kevin for a few years now...how did the paths cross? Was this shot in Atlanta?
This is so funny. I was just watching the video you did with sensei Seth with my daughter and we both said "that looks and sounds like wing chun!" Knowing you were teaching him self defense we thought it seemed obvious it's a different beast than sport karate. Even though many traditional kata remain the interpretations by modern practitioners are still made through a lens of either A enthusiasts or B sport practitioners. So few people who focus on self defense actually pressure test to make it useful. Seeing you learn new applications for knowledge that you have obviously spent so much time and effort to perfect is inspiring.
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Thanks for having me! 🙏🏼🙏🏼 I have learned so much about Karate from you! It’s so fascinating to see the connection! Now I just need a Time Machine to truly find out what happened in the past!
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I love this! I always thought the Sanchin kata, with open hands,reflects opening of Siu Lim Tao. Wing Chun and Karate pair so well, it's like they are teaching the same thing, but Wing Chun focused forms teach by principle, which you need to learn to apply; whereas Karate forms teach by examples, for you to figure out the principle yourself.
i love wing chun one time a guy got in my way i elbowed striked a guy he went flying i didnt learn wing chung very long either i did for a couple weeks like to learn from a real master thought
And yes, yes you have!
I always enjoy your wing chun explanations! They are very clear and make a great deal of sense.
These kind of videos need to become more popular amongst martial artists as a whole. The community spends so much time at each others throats about what art is the best and which are useless... etc.
Videos like this help us understand that PRINCIPLES are often shared from art to art. It is just the examples of the use of the principle that differ.
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+jackheritage3023 Exactly.
Thats how many schools or styles
were born... sharing knowledge
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when you achieve mastery of one discipline, you realize that all knowledge is linked.
As a Wing Chun guy, I really enjoyed this! Kevin Lee seems to be a very proficient Wing Chun teacher.
You really stepped up your game over the years Jesse. Keep this quality content coming! :)
I appreciate that! More coming 😁
Wing Chun gentlemen really has excellent understanding of the principles used.
@PaMuShin I agree, but it not only depend on the teacher but also depend on yourself. I learn math faster than average people regardless who is the teacher. Good teacher made the student learn more faster. In engineering, many graduated student don't know how to apply the knowledge in real world. Even they can not design a simple product then working in the different field. It is like martial arts that many student only interested how become stronger but can not apply their technique in real fight.
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I call that, COMMON SENSE & understanding Real World Mechanics. Lots of BOOK- SMART students come out of college with a piece of paper, saying they're Engineers, but in the real world, they couldn't design and build a working prototype to do something simple. I worked with a guy, like that, that was a THIEF. He would take other people's prototypes and put his name on them, like HE was the one that did the figuring and research and built the prototype. He did that to me and was promoted to SYSTEM MECHANICAL ENGINEER. for the railroad I worked for. All he was, was a THIEF with a Mechanical Engineering Degree, that had NO common sense.
@@KARATEbyJesse.
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That's on The early stage of Okinawa karate, it was influenced by south East Asian Silat.
Now I feel it. That's why the move is so familiar. But less ferocious, Silat feels a bit nastier, maybe because it doesn't suit japanese pride. (Eye gouging, ball crashing, joint breaking).
Holy shxt, I've been learning karate for about 30 years, and I found I just learned some actual applications of a lot of moves that I've practiced from the Wing Chun expert Kevin Lee...
I practiced Lo Man Wing Chun for almost 20 years, it's quite beautiful but I often wondered how much actual combat applications got lost in translation over time.
This is the best collab ever. You were feeding off each other's energy, learning from each other to teach us. Very nice.
Yes! Thank you!
As a Wing Chun practitioner, I must say that this is for once a refreshing video of comparisons between Japanese and Chinese styles. I love the approach and comradery between both masters.
Real masters do not compete, they learn from each other
Shoshin
Greatest respect, there is no Japanese style here. Traditional Karate is Okinowan, derived from Chinese teaching and influence. Japanese Karate is 'sport' karate, and that is not here. These styles meld beautifully together because they're essentially the same thing
Idk that you consider kyokushin a Japanese style or Korean but it's not definitely okinawan
Maybe some okinawan influences but not directly a subgroup of it
@@danielhashemi3163 not kyokushin but karate itself
I love how you both were so excited to see the similarities in the styles and ultimately learn from each other. The energy levels in this short video were incredible. Lots of respect to Kevin who clearly knows his stuff. Well done guys
More, more, more! It was too short.
Yalnisin var karateci öhreniyor
I felt exactly the same. Well said.
I think this is brilliant. Alot of Southern Chinese martial arts played a role in the development of karate.
Most definitely!
It’s been my understanding that Karate, as well as Wing Chun, Dragon, Mantis, Snake, and Bak Mei styles of Kung Fu, all evolved from Fujian White Crane. Is this correct?
@@bradnarokNot sure about other Kung Fu styles, but definitely Wing Chun for sure. I currently practice the Goju-Ryu style of Okinawan Karate, but I also have a background in WC as well, and both styles share a lot in common when it comes to body mechanics, stances, and redirecting open hand movements.
@@bradnarok Having trained in Southern Mantis, Wing Chun and Karate and I can say from my experience it's a mix of yes and no. Yes in that with Wing Chun that per the origins that both White crane as well as snake fist played a role in it's development. As for Southern Mantis particularly the Jook lum lineage had combined White Crane, Chin Na grappling and other Shaolin martial arts to get to it's development. Bak mei from what other Bak mei practitioners have said to me the arts that played a role were Tiger, death touch, wudang and Shaolin but idk white crane played a role in it's development. But for Karate, Mantis and Wing Chun it's yes and no.
Hope this helps. Train and learn.
Bak mei, fujian white crane, five ancestors gung fu is more ore less Okinawa kenpo
This might be the first video that made me respect those two martial arts. It was fun watching them nerd it out their similarities.
With over 40 years of Wing Chun kung fu training .He is the only Gm Teaching 6 days a week .He is also the fastest Wing Chun kung striker.He is second to none!
um, bro that guy is not over 40 years old...
He's 32.
THat guy who trained for 40 years of kung fu will die if he fight a guy who trained for 4 month in BJJ hahahah 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Kevin is very fast
sense jesse's animated reactions are so funny. also i love how kevin is basically an encyclopedia of wing chun. everything jesse throws at him, he already knows and goes even further. amazing
When I first started learning Wing Chun in the 90s, my sifu explained the similarity to traditional Okinawan karate. "They are both based on the same movement patterns from White Crane, but Karate focuses more on using those principles to create powerful strikes to cause direct injury. Wing Chun focuses more on the intersection between striking and wrestling to improve position, use structure to physically move a larger opponent and deliver quick low energy strikes to vital targets.
That description, combined with the movements of the Wing Chun teacher in this video remind of me certain concepts in Hapkido. Makes me wonder if they’re distantly related somehow.
nope sorry but not true, the parent styles of Wing Chun are basic shaolin and Nanquan.
where in Fujian white crane is descended from Nanquan as well.
so its like this
Nanquan
Wing Chun-Fujian white crane
Karate
Jeet Kune do
thats the family tree
@@houseofaction I took it to mean the principles understood from observing the animal, not a literal lineage. I imagine there was a lot of cross-pollination between styles and animals served as lexicon for movement patterns.
I was about to say this, my Wing Chun Sifu told me that the legend was that Ng Mui created the prototype Wing-Chun from the crane and snake techniques from the five animals Shaolin style and simplified it so that a student could learn to use these techniques effectively within a few years of start training, and then it was passed down to Yim Wing Chun and so on and so forth.
Correct me if I'm wrong. But I believe that Jesse did a personal trip documentry to China that tried ot follow Okinawan Karate back to China and the White Crane kung Fu in China. It was a very informative.
listening to you two geek out put a smile on my face.
Mr Enkamp, you are an asset to humanity, sir. I could write an essay, but thank you for everything. 🙏🏼
Thank you kindly 🙏
My Sifu, who only taught me Wing Chun and Qigong, but was a master of several other arts too, once said to me, "I'm going to show you this thing, called Tensho. Don't worry about the rest of the art it comes from, just learn this". And it became part of our Wing Chun routine. He got criticized by traditional Wing Chun guys for that!
breathing kata
Few years ago, I've seen a local WT sifu performing something that resembled Tensho so much that it couldn't have been a coincidence. I showed him my Tensho, which is a bit different from other versions (hands movement is fast and goes in long circles, not almost straight like typical goju ryu). We agreed it's definitely from the same cradle.
If you learn many movement but do not understand how to use it, you must be stupid. But wise man understand why that movement created and can develop many variation or even modify to be better.
Look for Siu Lim Tao, it's Tensho of Wing Chun.
LOVE Tensho
One of the systems that influenced Okinawan Karate is White Crane, they even share a form, Sanchin. Both White Crane and Wing Chun come from the same place, Yongchun.
Always loved to find connections between Chinese systems and this is why Okinawan Karate has a special place in my heart, even tho I have never practiced it. Great video as always!
Yes white krane and pushing hands
How many forms does white crane have?
I know about 2, I'm sure there's more and also various styles, so there may be a lot of forms in the system
It comes from the bubshi. It's very well documented. Shoalin monk fist ,Yong Chun and white Crain. The documents exist. Patrick mccarthy how's written about it Extensively . Historically, Wing Chun was one set. Then broken down into 3 sets. Which started the watering down. SLT is a dead give away that it's a Qi gong based system. And also do to the Kuen kit.
Yes, for me too it is fascinating. In all fairness it is all in all the same. I guess Wing Chun was a modern version of the Crane. Like Karate was a Japanese version of some Kung Fu... It is the same remodel.
When it comes down to it we all (well nearly) got 2 arms, 2 legs and 10 fingers all over the globe, so it is not that crazy to find similar technics in other places.
Tensho is very similar to Sil Lin Tao, several aspects in common between Goju Ryu (and Naha Te in general) with Wig Chun. I think it's due to the common roots of the Fujian White Crane Fist. With this in mind, it is interesting to reflect on how the transformation into a sport when Karate arrived in Japan distorted and deformed it.
Spot on 👍
Kungfu being Kempo in Japanese Tongue😊
That was also my thought. The chum kiu of Wing Chun and the Naihanchi have also very similar Motion.
@@KARATEbyJesse In your China series didn't you find that Flower Shop Kung fu was similar to the Original Shaolin form and saw Naihanchi in the form. It was a very good series by the way.
Totally agree with you and tenshou Is my favorite form also. I’ve always felt that it was a cousin to wing Cheong
I like how humble Jesse is. His heart really shines
So cool the respect Jesse has for the other martial arts and how he seeks to understand similarities and differences in a positive educational way. It's fun to see him get so excited!
To witness a sincere, ego free exchange of knowledge is such a fresh breath of air. Thank you for reminding us what curiosity open mindness, and willingness to listen looks like. Well done gentlemen!
Jesse you have one of the most wholesome martial arts channels on RUclips. You are a role model for anyone who wants to learn martial arts. Genuinely open and eager to learn, and so humble. And of course you are a major martial arts nerd, your are extremely full of knowledge.
Just doing what I love 🙏
@@KARATEbyJesse Sweet to get an answer after 7 months.
❤️💀🥊🙏
Kevin is great. He's making me want to take a Wing Chun class. Excellent video as always Jesse 🙂.
Give it a try but bear in mind classes are often very slow paced.
Try and find one that spars too.
@@jamiearnold1711 thanks. I did karate for 8 years. It just seems an interesting style to study to me.
@@michaelmartinez3893 it's certainly a complex and interesting art. I studied Wing Chun and really enjoyed it -- I hope to return to it one day but I'm focusing on karate and other goals at the moment.
@@jamiearnold1711 Cool. What style of karate?
@@michaelmartinez3893 Shotokan
To think that the content of this video could've been the wisdom of a lifetime before the internet is really humbling and amazing.
god, I love this so much. glad you had so much fun and excitement together
I grew up doing taekwondo, essentially Korean karate, and then did Moy Yat Ving Tsun (wing chun) for about 4 to 5 years. The more I watch Jessie explore the roots of karate and meet with other teachers of other styles the more I see the relationship between Wing Chun and karate, particularly the Okinawan variations Jesse has shown
Goju-Ryu style of Okinawan Karate shares a lot with Wing Chun and Fujian White Crane Kung Fu. I have trained several years in Ip-Man / Wong Shun Leung lineage of WC, and I currently train in Goju-Ryu because it is very similar in body mechanics, stances, and redirecting open hand movements.
@@georgefoley9793 I have wanted to study goju-ryu for a very long time but there are no schools in my area that are close enough to travel to. Live just outside of Philadelphia currently
@@Elemental19001 If you travel to Southern California, there are several good dojos here.
@@BigBadJohn7 there might be some in Philadelphia but I cannot travel that far right now. I know there used to be a Uechi Ryu school not too far into Philadelphia though
Anyone know of any reliable websites for searching to find reputable dojos?
Between this and the Savate video, Jesse is really doing an anthropological study of the history of Karate, in a way only a dedicated practitioner could.
I’ve done traditional style Kung Fu and Wing Chun for over 25yrs. What I’ve learned from my masters is that there is really only so many “right ways” to move the human body. So basically all the really good martial arts share the same or very similar techniques just with there own flair.
Great videos. Keep up the good work!!!!
Well done you two your both martail art nerds in the best sense of the word Great stuff
Extraordinarily nice to see you interview the multi talented Kevin Lee. You both are intelligent, open minded and personable. Next level would be for you to travel together on the next venture and report back.
This was extremely well done. I've never before seen such close comparisons of karate and kung fu. You 2 could make a very exciting team in a fictional martial arts movie, where the 2 of you working together each take on bad guys differently while learning from each other, and at the same time teaching the audience. The chemistry between you was as good as it gets. Get yourselves into the movie business as a team. Use this video as your promotional video.
Kung fu just means way of life.
Bloodsport remake
Yea, and the primary hero is that Asian martial artist because we wanna break the white-savior narrative.
Sounds like an action movie from the 80's-90's.
Yes!
I am not a martial artist, but I like cultural studies. Your videos are centered in this way, which is really interesting and fun.
Thanks man! Good work. Subscribed.
I love how curious you remain and always open to new understanding of an art you've been involved in for most of your life. You're so fun to watch.
This blew my mind! Karate similar to wing chun?! Never would have thought that. Wing chun has more of the application too! I never knew how to apply naihanchi in (except a few ways) until I viewed this! Thx Jesse!
You're both so passionate, it's important to have passionate people to transfer the knowledge and this art will be preserved for the centuries to come.
I am preparing my black belt exam and this is a kata that I need to perform. So cool to see this variation and the application of it. Great learning !
I’ve been waiting for this subject to appear on your channel for so long, I’m so happy! I’ve been practicing Wing Chun now for almost 10 years and I was happy to hear about the things Kevin was mentioning and saying! This reminds me so much of one of the concepts you have mentioned before on your channel, I think maybe even when you were experimenting with Kevin before! You said, “No matter where you start around the base of the mountain, all paths journey towards the peak.” That mindset is one of the things that your channel has taught me that has made such a huge impact on my training. Eventually, martial concepts start overlapping and techniques start performing the same with slightly different adaptations. It’s a beautiful thing!
This is the best video I've seen explaining the similarities between both arts, you guy's rock, thank you from down under Australia
Now This is Awesome!
The Only thing I don't like is how short the video is!
I could watch these two for hours!!!
Great job, gentlemen!!
Jesse es un ejemplo de fraternidad entre los aristas marciales,su busqueda es sincera y es agradable verlo compartir los conocimientos,los egos separan pero la mente disfruta con cada nuevo descubrimiento . Felicidades!
Dang Kevin... this is by far, one of the best videos on application I've ever seen. Great job!
This was a wonderful video. I've practiced kung fu for a little over 40 years and every time I have an interaction like this with someone who has a similar level of experience in another system it opens my eyes to new ways of interpreting movements in my forms. Great respect to you, Jesse, from a martial arts brother in Buffalo, New York!
How educational, gentle, academic, historic, and scientific! I love this video the most!
Its so great to see a respectful conversation and exchange of knowledge between two people from different paths and styles meet.
This is one of the reasons why I love this channel! Wonderful class showing the Chinese origins of the kata I learned as Tekki Shodan! And it's great to see both experts learning together from each other.
My sensei teaches me wing Chun as well as Karate. I see the connection. Great stuff Jesse. I’ll have to show him this video.
Wonderful!!
Which one do you prefer?
@@krishnakamble9698 Both traditional Karate and Wing Chun have good application of technique. They’re both interchangeable, but I will say in some ways Wing Chun is a little bit easier.
Still I enjoy both Martial arts.
@@KARATEbyJesse is there a Karate version of the Wing Chun chain punch?
Your enthusiasm is infectious, and your form was looking sharp. Loving Kevin Lee, he was so insightful!
This video was amazing. Naihonchi was my favorite kata as a kid because it was short and easy to learn. And now it looks like a key to the history of martial arts.
In fact, it is not than Okinawan made a local Wing Chun, it is than Wing Chun and Karate came from the same "mother martial art" : Bai He Quan, (Crane Fist) from Foshan. If you study the Taos in Bai He, you will see that Wing Chun and Karate, in their own ways, are in fact sort of synthesis of that style !
Seems so!
No this is wrong, Wing Chun has its origins in basic shaolin and Nanquan, karate has its basic origins fom Fujian white crane, white crane has its origins in shaolin and Nanquan. so its Nanquan
Wing Chun- Fujian hite krane
Karate
so they are siblings or more akin to cousin arts
Yes!
@@houseofaction This kind of nuance or confusion is like when people ask "do evolutionists claim humans are descendants of monkeys/chimpanzees". It is always somewhat a "yes and no".
It seems to me that as Karate discarded many of the chin na based/ inside control and then strike ( or simultaneous) strike and control aspects for a more outside striking strategy, it became less of a ‘softer’ system and more of a ‘harder’, or ‘external’ system and consequently a new breed altogether. The forms of karate and Kung fu/ gong fu e.g., white crane forms, wing chun forms and many of the karate forms seem to be the smoking gun of lineage, parentage, what have you, but the elimination of trapping and clinching/ control exercises such as Tui shou and chi sao have turned karate into a bit of a different animal but with similar roots. I may be way off on this.
I’m wondering if you could show which Karate katas are unmistakably connected /sharing origins with the corresponding Chinese Tao lu, if you haven’t already done so. I guess San Chin is the easiest one to use as an example. Any others?
I practiced GojuRyu Karate in the IOGKF for many years and then 8,5 Years ago I switched to WingTsun.
And the more I learn in WingTsun the better I understand what I did in Karate but more important why I did this way in Karate.
And in the 12 GojuRyu Katas the one that is closest to WingTsun is Tensho and it's cause of where it comes from.... The white crane.
I practiced Wing Chun (Ip-Man / Wong Shun Leung lineage) for several years, and I now practice Goju-Ryu. Both styles complement each other so well, and the more I learn Goju-Ryu, the more it feels like WC.
Goju-Ryu is what I grew up doing. I tried SOUTHERN mantis, and it was so, so, much like wing chun; all three arts share this close, “step in” focus. If you can find a good Southern Mantis instructor (anyone reading this), you will learn to play in that wing chun space for sure. Note however that NORTHERN mantis is a totally different art that likes to go from a distance.
Kevin is my favorite Wing Chun guy on RUclips. But what I love the most is that it's just two guys who love martial arts just nerding out about talking shop.
"Open hand" is always faster than "closed fist." You can prove this with a younger, willing partner and a baseball cap. Great points about the efficiency and speed of Wing Chun vs. Karate. An open hand is approx. 11 milliseconds (eye blink) faster than closed hand. It's all about Chi and fluidity. Sensei Enkamp clearly demonstrates the similarities of Wing Chun and Okinawan Karate technique. Kevin Lee is a great teacher and both remain great students of the intricacies (foot placement/hip movement) of both disciplines. Great video... really great !!!!
Jess Enkamp puts out the BEST informative and historical martial arts videos. And since Bruce Lee introduced Wing Chun, I admired Wing Chun; however, now I have an even greater appreciation for Wing Chun style. This you video proves that Wing Chun is not useless and that Karate and Wing Chun have a real connection, which I didn't realize previously except for what I know about Goju, which also uses what's called "married hands," which may be called "sticky hands" in Wing Chun. Thank you for providiing this and all of your videos, Sensei Jesse Enkamp.
Awesome collaboration guys, I trained karate for years before I started Wing Chun and JKD and I immediately saw the same similarities! I’m so happy to see that I wasn’t alone in my observation. The glee with which you born approach the subject makes me so happy. Thank you, and be safe
Woah; my Shi-Han literally just taught me the beginning of this Kata tonight - its not in our Goju-Ryu syllabus but its so different than anything I’d done up until now over these last few years. Love the wavelength you’re on Jesse - keep inspiring🥋
Glad to hear it resonates! 🙏
There are 3 naihanchi katas
@@perfectsplit5515I study isshin ryu too but from what I learned it was mostly just goju ryu,shorin ryu, and motobu kenpo and weopons from Taira Shinken idk bout pure kung fu though maybe though maybe
@hotlanta35 it depends on the lineage the 2nd & 3rd were created by Itosu, so only the lineages that descend from him have three. Similarly with Pinan 1 to 5. Originally they were created as a series of introductory forms by Itosu, but depending on when you learn them & from whom they evolved into several varieties. Chomo Hanashiro only learned the first when it was developed. The others came several years later, so if you learn from his lineage they only teach Pinan Shodan.
@@kevionrogers2605 I'm not sure if it's true but I would like to share that it's said that hiagonna kanryo knew a nahanchi with open hands
I've been waiting a long time for a video of Jesse talking about Wing Chun as, being a Wing Chun practitioner myself and having practiced karate, I've come to see a good amount of similarities between the two arts.
Thank you so much Jesse and Kevin. It'd be great to have a more in depth video comparing Wing Chun with Karate.
Jesse's enthusiasm and passion for martial arts is remarkable. Fantastic video!
Jesse, you continue to impress me with you wanting to grow to better your knowledge and your discipline. To be honest, I had looked down Karate in the past, but watching your videos over the years you have given me new perspectives as well.
Keep these videos coming. That was one of the best breakdowns of nihanchi I’ve ever seen. I love that you demonstrated that it’s the artist not the art. No egos. We are truly one family.
I used to train in Wing Chun back in the 1990s, but I've been using Naihanchi Shodan (and Sanchin) as the core of my own training, for the past five years or so. So I find this video brilliant and fascinating!
Your respect and the kind of interchange you make is really positive for further comprehenssion of Karate.
I have a patch on my gi that says "jiu jitsu nerd." I found your channel after I got the patch. I love how you guys broke it down. Super fascinating.
I loved this Jesse and would love to see you explore your karate more through more style comparisons. Fascinating stuff. I'm teaching taiji to a group of karate sensei right now and every lesson one of them yells "It's just like what we do!". Thanks for posting this (and Taiwan would be worth a trip for you I think!)
Wing chun's been making a comeback....almost tears me up 🥲 thank you Jesse & Kevin 💪🙏🔥😎
I used to practice Wing Chun and Hung Gar, both of which are related to other southern styles like White Crane. I think karate is more closely related to "southern Shaolin" styles than southern Shaolin styles are to northern styles like Longfist, which is what you most often see in modern wushu and Shaolin.
Sounds like Albuquerque 🙏
the parent style of karate is fujian white crane.
the parent style of fujian white crane is Nanquan
the parent style of wing chun is also Nanquan
so its like this
Nanquan
Wing Chun Fujian White crane
karate
Jeet Kune Do
I love those kind of videos, two nerds that masters two subject really close from one another and that are comparing notes, techniques and tools used.
Even for someone like there's something to take. Be humble and never be afraid to share and learn even from unexpected sources.
Thanks for the video, keep up the good work.
I’ve learned that ALL Martial Arts are pretty much the same. And it only depends on how you communicate your philosophy about the physics of whatever STYLE of Applied Physics that you are trying to convey.
I’ve been a Student/Sifu for 25yrs in Wing Chun and this is how I interpret every combat style worth its salt, that I’ve seen.
Once I understood Wing Chun I understood how ALL Martial Arts work and why they work. Or why they don’t.
Awesome video Guys!! I greatly enjoyed watching the interaction between you two.
Love this! I've always heard my from wing chun instructors that there was a direct connection between wc and older forms of karate. Some of this is probably just that certain movements are logical in any martial art, but a lot of it looks like a shared lineage as well. You guys are great together BTW, more of this please.
Definitely shares lineage to White Crane
Man, I love Tekki Shodan, one of my favorite forms.
You’re not alone! 👍
Also listening to the final conversation that you had with Kevin, it does bring us back to the point that whatever martial art it is, basic biomechanic principles do still exist and still apply, which is why ive always laughed when people think that one art is better than another, because at its core, all martial arts just simply use your body mechanics as leverage. As long as we understand the application that's what matters!
Love to see the mutual respect and exchange of knowledge. These are true martial artists.
I've never studied Wing Chun but this was quite eye opening to the similarities of the styles! Thank you for sharing. 🙏🏻
Great video. This video shows how our world of martial arts is closely linked. I like Jessie's enthusiasm when he finds something similar. We all should be sharing this way.
This is fascinating! The similarities they discover while comparing different methodologies.
I have a black belt in a Shotokan-based karate system in the Philippines and was taught by a brilliant wing-chun stylist from the USA, who regrettably didn't have enough time to teach our small group as he was going back stateside.
It is wonderful to watch Jesse Enkamp and Kevin Lee exchange notes instead of doing a pissing contest. We need more interactions like this in the martial arts.
thanks Jesse for this video. It really opened up a hole universe regarding Naihanchi´s application and possible meaning
Very glad to hear 😇
I don't practice any martial arts or anything like that myself, but I really am fascinated by how it all works. I love your channel , Keep making awesome vids, man.
I find it beautiful to watch the two of you exchanging moves
Awesome! It’s amazing how karate takes techniques from different martial arts.
It really is! 🤩
It’s neat to see that Karate, which came from Okinawa, has its roots in different KungFu techniques. We can look to other martial arts for the bunkai of our katas.
Jesse's approach towards videos is "quality over quantity".
It’s my way of life 💪
As I was taught, Wing Chun´s founder used the Southern Crane style for the moves of her new style, not surprising that Southern crane keeps coming up in your karate exploration.
These 13 minutes went by in a flash O_O
Was so absorbed in the video I didn't even realize how fast time passed.
Nice to see you guys having a comparison like this.
Keep up the good work!
This is just a general statement to your content and over the last four years I have truly enjoyed everything you’ve posted. I especially enjoy all the collaborations you’ve done with others in the martial arts community. Showing that one style isn’t necessarily better than any other. For that thank you. 🙏
Thanks for your kind words! 🙏 Just doing what I love 😁
This was absolutely fascinating to watch. I've really enjoyed your videos as well as Kevin's. It's so cool to see experts breaking down things so well AND collaborating like this. Cheers!
As someone coming from Wing Chun myself, I noticed some massive similarities between the Chum Kiu and Goju Ryu's Kururunfa while I was training in Okinawa. One of the coolest things I noticed was that literally all of the karate hand movements I was shown over the year I was there were contained within the Sil Lim Tao form if you knew where to look!
I wonder if these similarities are because both styles came from Southern Shaolin?
Ask the Shaolin temple and they'll tell you there never was an official southern Shaolin.jessie did a really cool series visiting Fujian province in China with the fella at Monkey Steals Peach. Very much recommended if you're into "origin stories"
I've actually already seen it! Great set of videos! I'm not so much into "origin stories", but rather the history of things, so I love to theorize about this stuff. I actually wrote a research paper on the history of Karate while I was studying in Okinawa, though it's in Japanese, not English. @@markherron3067
@@achtungbaby2009 Wu Zu comes from Tai Zu Quan, and that's not a Shaolin art, it's from southern China (as far as I know).
This is beautiful to see, Bruce Lee is currently smiling down at you two, this is what its all about! making a connection and bridging th egap between all styles, it all comes from the same source, achieving inner peace as well as understanding ones body and its limits and breaking through them, while simultaneously learning from one another.
I must go train.
I just Love Jesse's ENTHUSIASM ! It never quits.
this is wonderful! Two knowledgeable people very curious and openminded teaching each other stuff. it´s the way the world should be!
This was excellent Jesse. I have a Wing Chun background and have trained a little bit in Karate, and one thing I noticed was how similar a lot of the techniques were, Goju in particular. I believe, as you discovered yourself on your trip to China, that both Karate and Wing Chun have their roots in White Crane Kung Fu, so the foundation is the same. Thank you for always making the most interesting videos!
I've already begun incorporating that karate foot check you showed off with Kevin a while ago in MMA and it always catches my more Muay Thai focused peers off guard when they throw leg kicks. I'm hoping I can learn Wing Chun hand trapping for the boxing side of things but it's harder with 1) 16 oz gloves and 2) the fact that boxers are taught to always retract their hands after throwing punches. Thanks for showing us cool stuff like this Jesse.
this vid with kevin is by far my fav in the last few vids. you two get along so well together and know such a deep knowledge of your own styles that yall can easily converse back and forth rappid fire like this. its impressive.
Great to see 2 great teachers from different systems, learning from each other and being respectful to each others styles.
the open mindedness of these masters are remarkable and admirable
the passion between these two.... man its so interesting to watch
I've been thinking this exact thing for the last couple months!!!! This is insane to see! Thank you for doing these , it's amazing how things have changed, back in the day we would have to travel to China to find these things like the old masters, now I can do it while eating my breakfast
You got it!
I love seeing videos like these. Growing up learning Kung Fu, everybody told me Karate came from Kung Fu, but I was too young to understand. It's almost like saying English words came from French or German roots. Very interesting to see how different forms were translated into kata
WOW! This video was quite monumental for me. As a Nidan in Shorin Ryu I had learned Nainchi Shodan as I think my 3rd Kata and just recently have been working on it a bit again. I had gotten away from my Okinawan Karate and been focusing on the same blended Arts that Sifu Lee trains in (Kali, JKD, Silat, Wing Chin). Sifu Lee is awesome...was with him 2 months ago. This is very interesting the correlation between Okinawan Karate and Wing Chun here and I can definitely see the crossover now. I will be revisiting all my Katas now LOL. Realy really dug this one!
On a side note I am very curious as to how this came about since I have been following Jesse and known Kevin for a few years now...how did the paths cross? Was this shot in Atlanta?
As a student of both karate as a child and wing Chun as an adult I love this video. It really brought together both arts... Thanks
They all blend together at a very high level.
This is so funny. I was just watching the video you did with sensei Seth with my daughter and we both said "that looks and sounds like wing chun!"
Knowing you were teaching him self defense we thought it seemed obvious it's a different beast than sport karate.
Even though many traditional kata remain the interpretations by modern practitioners are still made through a lens of either A enthusiasts or B sport practitioners. So few people who focus on self defense actually pressure test to make it useful.
Seeing you learn new applications for knowledge that you have obviously spent so much time and effort to perfect is inspiring.