At last a straight to the point guide on this, I don't like using Ryzen master. I got my 5800X3D today & had to stop it in cine bench because it reached 86C until I found this which reduced it in cine bench to 75.3C thanks mate.
@@KroryykDB Always try curve optimizer with any 5000/7000 CPU, but _especially_ the X3D versions - they are SO good at undervolting. For example, mine went from 14816 at 68 degrees to 15079 at 57 degrees - slightly better performance for ELEVEN DEGREES less temperature.
Great video. Been looking for this. my Bios is from 2022. Will need to update to get PBO options. My temps easily touch 91 in just about everything with a 280 AIO. Did thermal paste like 4 times.
No problem, just be careful with the 5600X if your setting maximum curve optimiser, it wont be stable with -30. Literally you would have a super platinum rated 5600x if it was stable at -30. IMO you should aim for -15 on best cores, -20 on worst cores roughly.
For my ASUS B550 motherboard, I clicked the following: - Ai Tweaker tab - Precision Boost Overdrive - Curve Optimizer Then just set the three boxes to “All Cores”, “Negative” and “30”. This resulted in 80 degrees under Cinebench load on air cooling and a single core score of 1,500 and multicore score of 15,000.
I'm using a gigabyte auros elite v2 (with the latest bios update from 7/18/23). I've used CO -30 for all cores, played with PPT TDC & EDC to no avail. Temps are through the roof still. I hit 90+ each time I try Cinnebench r23. The only thing that even comes close to lowering temps if I lower PPT, TDC & EDC to below 65 (which negatively affects performance). Yes, I'm using the AMD overclocking (not bios settings). My pump for the small AIO I have is running at full speed and it's in push/ pull (120mm Corsair aio). My RAM is OLoY 3200 running 1 to 1 and infinity fabric is set to 1600 mem=memclk. Resize bar enabled. I've reset the bios several times and attempted to start over. Nothing lowers my temps. I just got the 5800x3D a week ago (replaced a 3800x) but I'm not able to get anything optimized. I've even tried Ryzen Master, but that sh*t is locked down from 5800x3d. I'm lost, and tired of having a hotbox that could fry eggs on it, next to me.
One more note of interest. It spikes gradually until it decides to hit high temps consistently then throttles a bit and gradually spikes again (repeat). I just started another run while typing and at 8:00 minute mark (2 minutes into it) the package and ccd#0 have both already hit 90.3, cpu vdd at 1.094 V, 96.93W, all cores average is 89.9 ( timing at 4192 to 4230 MHz).
I've just done some testing with mine and, after -30 all-core, the TDC doesn't even _reach_ 70 amps, even with the 90 A limit. I will set a 2% performance loss limit for all-core and try inching the PPT and currents down - I bought this thing for GAMES!
Hello there, kind sir! I have followed your instructions and indeed temps are lower but for example in Helldivers 2, the CPU temps are reaching 91 degrees under heavy load. Do you think this is normal? :( I just mounted scythe fuma 3 cpu cooler which I heard it is a good cooler
i have my 5800X3D with 100\70\100. When i had my 5600X i just slapped the "motherboard limits" and it was boosting to 4.65 GHz on load. Too bad it couldn't handle Cyberpunk crowded areas, so i decided to upgrade
you saw changes between a 5600x and a 5800x3d on cyberpunk? in my case i get a 5800x3d, coming from a r5 2600. i still have slight unevenness on my fixed 60fps (vertical sync) the 2600 was not able to deliver solid 60fps, when RT enabled it was diping at 45/55fps a lot. the 5800x3d still is dipping to 55fps but rarely
I set Kombo Strike setting to 3. Clock speed and performance increased while CPU temperature doesn't exceed 55°C during CPUZ stress test with 16 threads.
Firstly, thank you so much for making these videos. Helped me so easily get up and running with a faster all core boost. But I’m confused why you’ve lost an average 175mhz in this video when running cinebench vs in your previous video (this one showed in CPU-Z your CPU multiplier ranging between 42.25-42.75 whereas previous video was 44.00-44.50) which translated into a 555 point difference (14,022 here vs 14,577 before, a 4% difference). And I watched your CPU temp in both videos and they both went from 34C to 64.5C at the end of the single multi core pass, so it’s not a thermal difference issue. For reference, I consistently score 14,140 (+/-10) with my CPU multiplier also ranging between 42.25-42.75 as in this video. I’m also air cooled (Noctua NH-D15) and max temp on full multi core run ends up being 75C. With Kombo Strike level 3, i got 14,404 multi core but temp went up to 85C peak. I'm wondering (and hoping) if I can somehow get the all core sustained boost of Kombo Strike level 3 with the temp gains of PBO method but I don't know what I'd need to do.
Thanks for your comment. The score difference could be down to the PPT settings, or I could have been running other programmes between the tests. If I set cinebench to realtime priority it runs at 15k score. Main thing is that it is stable. If its not stable, try drop the PPT values back a bit.
@@tisikygaming but you set the same 100W for PPT limit in both videos, no? Would you happen to know why I'm unable to achieve the same all core boosts as you are?
@@DrR1pper Yes limits were same. Could be just the random aspect of the tests with no two tests being exactly the same. I will have to re do it at some point. If I were you I would remove the limits and just run -30 all core and see if you get increased boosts. If you do, then the limits are too low and not enough power.
hello. thanks fot the guide. i would like to apply it to my cpu but I couldn't. bc I have "gigabyte b550 gaming x v2", so menus are different. tried to make it but didnt find any options like pbo settings or negative offset. how can i make this changes, do you have any idea? thx
Which CPU cooler are you using? What is the cpu voltage under load? If the CPU voltage is less than 1.20 and your still seeing 80C, then either you need a better cpu cooler or more airflow inside your case.
@@tisikygaming Cryorig H7 Single Tower Heatsink with 120mm , i took the side glass off the case , cpu voltage is below 1.2 , what aio do you reccommend ? the Front panel supports a 240mm radiator
@@3LTwinTurboDiesel I mean any bog standard 240mm AIO will be fine. The point with this is that a super high end AIO vs a cheap decent one wont be massive performance difference.
80 degrees is still fine, it just starts throttling clock speeds a little at this temperature. If you're hitting 90 then I'd do something about it though, as clocks can drop significantly to ensure the CPU doesn't exceed 90 degrees.
Nice settings, I had something similar with 100 / 70 / 100 but also in the settings tab with PBO. I changed it back to Auto and changed the settings like you mentioned. In Cinebench I get around 75-80°C but I have throttled my cooling down a little. I can adjust that higher again. Thanks!
@@tisikygaming after buying the 5800X3D and a b550 Msi board, I found the kombo strike not working as smoothly as i thought. I have tried following your video and I set a negative -30 on per core (all of them) results are good. I will try the PPT, TDC and EDC settings and see how it goes
Kombo Strike is essentially Curve Optimiser but with options -10, -20 or -30. I used KS initially but now full PBO2 and CO is available so I use that instead.
Cpu clock override for the 5800x3d doesn’t work. The only way to increase cpu clock speed on 5800x3d is to increase base clock (BCLK) past 100mhz. But since this is so risky it really isn’t worth it.
Yes 5800X3D chips must have been binned better I’m guessing because the extra L3 cache requires a higher spec chip. Plus the fact they took away cpu voltage boost means the chip must be a good bin!
@@tisikygaming The forced boost cap would also leave some room at the top of the voltage curve; the 5800X is essentially a de-limited X3D, and those _really_ struggle with curve optimizer.
Thank you for this super easy guide I went up by 800points on CinaR23. If you have the moment could you go over you ddr4 settings and timings please. I have MSI B550m mortar wifi + g.Skill F4-4000C17Q-32GTZR and I'm unable to run them higher than 3733Mhz. Do you think if I would upgrade to x570s carbon would that help with overall performance and let me run ram at 4000?
Honestly I wouldnt bother aiming for 4000mhz. You want to be running UCLCK=MEMCLCK. So go for whatever the highest FCLK is stable, 1900mhz SHOULD be, 2000mhz MIGHT BE. I run mine at 1900mhz, then run ram at 3800mhz. If you want more performance, you could try tighten the ram timings, but it can be a lot of work. Are you running your ram at XMP? I would select run at XMP, then manually turn down the frequency to 3800mhz (also confirm the ram is running at the right voltage as per the sticker from the ram stick).
Kombo strike is very quick n easy. This method takes it one step further and extracts the maximum performance from our chips for the minimum voltage and cost.
Thank you, thank you and thank you. I’ve been trying to figure out where these settings are on my bios for the last 2 days.
At last a straight to the point guide on this, I don't like using Ryzen master. I got my 5800X3D today & had to stop it in cine bench because it reached 86C until I found this which reduced it in cine bench to 75.3C thanks mate.
Your welcome cheers!
Mine hits 75.8C in R23 without even touching the voltage. Should I still tinker with the voltage or just leave it alone?
@@KroryykDB Always try curve optimizer with any 5000/7000 CPU, but _especially_ the X3D versions - they are SO good at undervolting.
For example, mine went from 14816 at 68 degrees to 15079 at 57 degrees - slightly better performance for ELEVEN DEGREES less temperature.
ty for tutorial i did from 90 celsium to 78 max in cinebench and getting max boost on 4450mhz in games so i think its all good
Your welcome, thanks for watching!
Great video. Been looking for this. my Bios is from 2022. Will need to update to get PBO options. My temps easily touch 91 in just about everything with a 280 AIO. Did thermal paste like 4 times.
Thanks for this. Just installed this CPU at the weekend from a 5600x. Very easy to follow, and seems to work great.
No problem, just be careful with the 5600X if your setting maximum curve optimiser, it wont be stable with -30. Literally you would have a super platinum rated 5600x if it was stable at -30. IMO you should aim for -15 on best cores, -20 on worst cores roughly.
@@tisikygaming Sorry, meant I changed from a 5600x to the new 5800x3d 👍🏻 No issues so far
@@Bells0. ahh I see. Good choice!
For my ASUS B550 motherboard, I clicked the following:
- Ai Tweaker tab
- Precision Boost Overdrive
- Curve Optimizer
Then just set the three boxes to “All Cores”, “Negative” and “30”.
This resulted in 80 degrees under Cinebench load on air cooling and a single core score of 1,500 and multicore score of 15,000.
Nice and straight to the point! 😃
I'm using a gigabyte auros elite v2 (with the latest bios update from 7/18/23). I've used CO -30 for all cores, played with PPT TDC & EDC to no avail. Temps are through the roof still. I hit 90+ each time I try Cinnebench r23. The only thing that even comes close to lowering temps if I lower PPT, TDC & EDC to below 65 (which negatively affects performance). Yes, I'm using the AMD overclocking (not bios settings). My pump for the small AIO I have is running at full speed and it's in push/ pull (120mm Corsair aio). My RAM is OLoY 3200 running 1 to 1 and infinity fabric is set to 1600 mem=memclk. Resize bar enabled. I've reset the bios several times and attempted to start over. Nothing lowers my temps. I just got the 5800x3D a week ago (replaced a 3800x) but I'm not able to get anything optimized. I've even tried Ryzen Master, but that sh*t is locked down from 5800x3d. I'm lost, and tired of having a hotbox that could fry eggs on it, next to me.
I've even opened the side of my rig to make sure it wasn't an airflow issue. Although, I never had this issue with the 3800x.
What is the voltage and power draw of the 5800x3d during a R23 run? What is idle temps on CPu and GPU?
@@tisikygaming cpu vdd 1.138, SoC Vdd 1.188, VID (MAX) 1.156. Idle temperature is 38 to 43 for cpu, gpu (hotspot is 38) idles at 33
98 watts plus or minus
One more note of interest. It spikes gradually until it decides to hit high temps consistently then throttles a bit and gradually spikes again (repeat). I just started another run while typing and at 8:00 minute mark (2 minutes into it) the package and ccd#0 have both already hit 90.3, cpu vdd at 1.094 V, 96.93W, all cores average is 89.9 ( timing at 4192 to 4230 MHz).
I've just done some testing with mine and, after -30 all-core, the TDC doesn't even _reach_ 70 amps, even with the 90 A limit.
I will set a 2% performance loss limit for all-core and try inching the PPT and currents down - I bought this thing for GAMES!
It worked perfect thanks for the tutorial 🐐
Hello there, kind sir! I have followed your instructions and indeed temps are lower but for example in Helldivers 2, the CPU temps are reaching 91 degrees under heavy load. Do you think this is normal? :( I just mounted scythe fuma 3 cpu cooler which I heard it is a good cooler
No 91c isn’t normal if running a massive undervolt. It could be your CPU cooler isn’t mounted properly, or it is struggling and needs replacing.
i have my 5800X3D with 100\70\100. When i had my 5600X i just slapped the "motherboard limits" and it was boosting to 4.65 GHz on load. Too bad it couldn't handle Cyberpunk crowded areas, so i decided to upgrade
lol.
you saw changes between a 5600x and a 5800x3d on cyberpunk?
in my case i get a 5800x3d, coming from a r5 2600. i still have slight unevenness on my fixed 60fps (vertical sync)
the 2600 was not able to deliver solid 60fps, when RT enabled it was diping at 45/55fps a lot. the 5800x3d still is dipping to 55fps but rarely
I set Kombo Strike setting to 3. Clock speed and performance increased while CPU temperature doesn't exceed 55°C during CPUZ stress test with 16 threads.
Yeh Kombo is a quick and eays method I guess. I went for maximum performance to power.
@@tisikygaminghi I don't she's the pbo option to manually tune things I have a MSI motherboard could it be the bios
Can you do this aswel as kombo strike?
Memory overclocking fail system is booted up with default settings press F on the run bio set up. I got that after I try what you said
This is when you click apply XMP? And not touching any other settings?
With this new 5700x3d, can I do the same thing?
Yes should work fine.
Firstly, thank you so much for making these videos. Helped me so easily get up and running with a faster all core boost. But I’m confused why you’ve lost an average 175mhz in this video when running cinebench vs in your previous video (this one showed in CPU-Z your CPU multiplier ranging between 42.25-42.75 whereas previous video was 44.00-44.50) which translated into a 555 point difference (14,022 here vs 14,577 before, a 4% difference). And I watched your CPU temp in both videos and they both went from 34C to 64.5C at the end of the single multi core pass, so it’s not a thermal difference issue. For reference, I consistently score 14,140 (+/-10) with my CPU multiplier also ranging between 42.25-42.75 as in this video. I’m also air cooled (Noctua NH-D15) and max temp on full multi core run ends up being 75C. With Kombo Strike level 3, i got 14,404 multi core but temp went up to 85C peak. I'm wondering (and hoping) if I can somehow get the all core sustained boost of Kombo Strike level 3 with the temp gains of PBO method but I don't know what I'd need to do.
Thanks for your comment. The score difference could be down to the PPT settings, or I could have been running other programmes between the tests. If I set cinebench to realtime priority it runs at 15k score. Main thing is that it is stable. If its not stable, try drop the PPT values back a bit.
@@tisikygaming but you set the same 100W for PPT limit in both videos, no? Would you happen to know why I'm unable to achieve the same all core boosts as you are?
@@DrR1pper Yes limits were same. Could be just the random aspect of the tests with no two tests being exactly the same. I will have to re do it at some point. If I were you I would remove the limits and just run -30 all core and see if you get increased boosts. If you do, then the limits are too low and not enough power.
Is Pbo2 available for msi b450 a pro max motherboard?i dont see curve optimizer
I think it should be. Worth checking the manual and updating to the latest bios to get access to PBO2 and CO.
I assume you don't dont touch anything additional in the voltage settings right?
Nope just the settings in the video here!
hello. thanks fot the guide. i would like to apply it to my cpu but I couldn't. bc I have "gigabyte b550 gaming x v2", so menus are different. tried to make it but didnt find any options like pbo settings or negative offset. how can i make this changes, do you have any idea? thx
It is potentially your bios version if you couldn’t find those settings in any of the menus
Im still getting 80+degrees should i go to aio?
Which CPU cooler are you using? What is the cpu voltage under load? If the CPU voltage is less than 1.20 and your still seeing 80C, then either you need a better cpu cooler or more airflow inside your case.
@@tisikygaming Cryorig H7 Single Tower Heatsink with 120mm , i took the side glass off the case , cpu voltage is below 1.2 , what aio do you reccommend ? the Front panel supports a 240mm radiator
@@3LTwinTurboDiesel I mean any bog standard 240mm AIO will be fine. The point with this is that a super high end AIO vs a cheap decent one wont be massive performance difference.
80 degrees is still fine, it just starts throttling clock speeds a little at this temperature. If you're hitting 90 then I'd do something about it though, as clocks can drop significantly to ensure the CPU doesn't exceed 90 degrees.
I see now my cpu temp at -81.3 when playing my game on. Ultras settings and streaming
81c? Still too high in my opinion.
Nice settings, I had something similar with 100 / 70 / 100 but also in the settings tab with PBO. I changed it back to Auto and changed the settings like you mentioned. In Cinebench I get around 75-80°C but I have throttled my cooling down a little. I can adjust that higher again. Thanks!
Nice one! 👍
I have same cpu and Msi B550 wifi and I don't see the same options as you, I don't see the PB0 settings
Use the latest stable MSI bios from their website.
Cant you just use Kombo Strike 3 and exit
You can do yes, the extra settings here just provide more power saving thus lower temperatures.
@@tisikygaming after buying the 5800X3D and a b550 Msi board, I found the kombo strike not working as smoothly as i thought. I have tried following your video and I set a negative -30 on per core (all of them) results are good. I will try the PPT, TDC and EDC settings and see how it goes
Bro tested kombo strike with this configuration?
Kombo Strike is essentially Curve Optimiser but with options -10, -20 or -30. I used KS initially but now full PBO2 and CO is available so I use that instead.
Is this tutorial compatible with motherboards with X470 chipset?
Yep, just depends on the actual motherboard firmware, if it supports PBO2/Co.
Is safe to add 200mhz in cpu clock override?
Cpu clock override for the 5800x3d doesn’t work. The only way to increase cpu clock speed on 5800x3d is to increase base clock (BCLK) past 100mhz. But since this is so risky it really isn’t worth it.
These things must be a crazy-high bin - so many (including the one I just bought) get all the way to -30 on all cores.
Yes 5800X3D chips must have been binned better I’m guessing because the extra L3 cache requires a higher spec chip. Plus the fact they took away cpu voltage boost means the chip must be a good bin!
@@tisikygaming The forced boost cap would also leave some room at the top of the voltage curve; the 5800X is essentially a de-limited X3D, and those _really_ struggle with curve optimizer.
Thank you for this super easy guide I went up by 800points on CinaR23. If you have the moment could you go over you ddr4 settings and timings please. I have MSI B550m mortar wifi + g.Skill F4-4000C17Q-32GTZR and I'm unable to run them higher than 3733Mhz. Do you think if I would upgrade to x570s carbon would that help with overall performance and let me run ram at 4000?
Honestly I wouldnt bother aiming for 4000mhz. You want to be running UCLCK=MEMCLCK. So go for whatever the highest FCLK is stable, 1900mhz SHOULD be, 2000mhz MIGHT BE. I run mine at 1900mhz, then run ram at 3800mhz. If you want more performance, you could try tighten the ram timings, but it can be a lot of work. Are you running your ram at XMP? I would select run at XMP, then manually turn down the frequency to 3800mhz (also confirm the ram is running at the right voltage as per the sticker from the ram stick).
Its is safely?
Yes perfectly safe.
Ur score is low. I also did -30mv all core and i get 15120 pts in Cinebench R23.2
The score can vary on my system. If I set it to real time, and with no other programmes open, I get 15k.
i can't see shit bro
Watch it on a pc monitor? Dunno what to say nobody else has mentioned being unable to see the video sorrry.
@@tisikygaming am on a pc monitor you should've maybe lowered your monitors res for the video
Would you recommend using combo strike
Kombo strike is very quick n easy. This method takes it one step further and extracts the maximum performance from our chips for the minimum voltage and cost.